thanks kid pellet. i got mine in yesterday. i put 4 mags through it with crosman premieres. she dialed in pretty good at 25. im going to do what you did and mess with the trigger.
In this case I was increasing the pressure. Got more power out of it but at the cost of shot count. Went from 3 mags down to 1-1/2. Getting 100 shots now at factory power levels but had to put a bottle on it to do that
Appreciate the video, very helpful for the future if I decide to tune mine up a little..how much has it changed your shot count by adding that 1/4 turn on the reg? How's shot count at the high and low setting on the hammer spring? 🤔 I have lots of questions 😂
My reg was set so low the hammer spring adjustment didn't make any change in velocity. I turned it up a little and it actually had a little adjustment after that. Took the shot count down to about 14 shots at 22 ish fpe. It has a carbon fiber bottle on it now and gets 100 shots at 22 fpe. Weights less than one lb more than with the air tube
If you shot the gun over a chrony and noted the point where the velocity dropped off and then read the gauge on the tank, wouldn't that be pretty close to the reg pressure setting? Maybe record the pressure before and after each shot to nail it down a little more accurately, but it seems that it should give a good ballpark feel for what the reg was on, wouldn't you think? If a guy didn't have a chrony, I bet he could shoot some pellets at long range and note when they suddenly dropped in elevation on the target. Using really heavy pellets would probably make the drop more obvious and sooner, seems to me. What do you think? I guess if you had a gun with both gauges you could test the theory, if you just wanted to find out. Might keep you from messin' with installing a second gauge.
Just chrony'd mine tonite. From a 3500psi fill to 2000. I get 38 usable shots down to 2000psi. 691-728 fps with JSB 15.9 its fave pellet. Why is everyone claiming just 21shots?
@@brianschmidt6034 oh I didn't know lol 🤣 I don't have a notos but if I had to take off the stock every time I wanted to adjust the HST I would just make a hole to get to it lol
Already did the trigger. Turn the screw in until the sear wont catch then back it off until it does. It will adjust till it's a hair trigger and not safe. I think I have mine at around 1 lb or just under
Interesting. I have snowpeak pp750 with similar reg than notos. My stock had reg screw about 3 threads out and took it ccw 1 whole round. It is too much? I just want to get all fpe out of it (for hunting big jack rabbits). Any ideas how much i can take it out for max fpe but reg still func correctly? Thaks for a great video!!
I have one on mine now. I made a custom offset adapter. Am working on several more. I think I put a 220 cc bottle on it and got 100 shots on the reg at 18.3 fpe. Weighs less than a pound more. That's not bad for gaining 80 shots per fill
I got 3 mags before and two mags after and I think it settled in at 23 fpe which isn't terrible for such a short barrel. Keep your eye open for the bottle conversion
I have both though not equipped with the same scope. Oddly enough my Marauder pistol is all stock still???? while my Notos has a custom bottle on it now. I love all my Crosman/Benjamin stuff and have a couple of custom builds that are fantastic, however, stock Marauder pistol vs stock Notos, the Notos wins hands down. First, neither one is an extreme benchrest contender. More of a great 30 or 40 yard pesting/small game rig. With very similar accuracy and power it's my humble opinion there isn't enough difference to say one is hands down better than the other in that area. The Notos will indeed get 20 shots on the reg but doesn't seem to have as good a barrel as my Marauder pistol. The Marauder pistol I have will shoot really good for 10 or 15 shots and then needs a fill before poi starts to move. The fact that the Notos has a regulator, and I don't know of anyone reporting reg creep or total reg failure is great. It also has a side lever, which isn't as important to me as some others. The fact that the Notos comes with a fairly comfortable adjustable stock and the Marauder pistol has to be purchased as a kit or ordered separately, and costs more is another strike. Then there's the cost, most Marauder pistols I've seen lately are north of $450 without the stock which I believe are around $40, it's not adjustable or all that comfortable, to me anyway. The Notos, for the time being is still around $270. That's a lot of features for that price no matter what brand. There's also a custom Carm magazine for it, a couple of custom bottle options so it has enough interest that the aftermarket world is already on it. So I would definitely get a Notos over the Marauder pistol, probably going to get a lotta hate from the Marauder fans😬
I have somethingto ask have you tried a heaver hammer spring in the notos ? A lot of us dont have the courage to pull the gun apart to adjust the reg but the hammer spring would be a easy swap out to get some more fps out of the gun
The spring g is an easy swap for sure. The problem is, the spring in my two Notos is already opening the valve as far as the valve can open. That's why there is almost no noticable difference in hammer spring adjustment. Most are finding that the velocity drops off right around 1900 psi. So 1900 psi is the general consensus for the factory regulator setting. I increased my regulator to around 2300 psi and was able to get and adjustment from 12 fpe to 23 fpe with the factory spring but had to add a spacer to the spring. What's important to note is that my shot count went from 3 mags to one mag. I'm positive this is why the gun comes setup the way it is. It has a fairly small airtube and increasing the pressure and fpe makes a huge difference in shot count. There are some "plenum kits" on Ebay that if nothing else increases the volume of air the gun holds and gives a few more shots. So far though no one is bragging about a big power gain. Also, a few people in the Notos FB groups reported less that ideal threads and even chips in the plenum kit they got from Ebay. I dont know if your in the Notos FB groups (2) but there are ways to bottle these things and one guy that is offering to do the work. I bottled mine with a small carbon fiber bottle and at a factory 18 fpe it's getting 100 shots on the regulator. I put a little bigger bottle on it for an iguana hunt and didn't refill it the whole trip. The carbon fiber regulated bottle and adapter will run about as much as the Notos itself though. Maybe join both groups to see what people are doing. I'm in both as Ray Barnett and would be glad to share what I've done to mine so far
@@kidpellet6544 thank you for the come back and all the info! As far as Facebook I don't have it and never will I don't trust it they have been hacked to many times !
@@kidpellet6544 Ok the springs in your Notos are fully opening the valve but if you put in a bit heavier spring the valve will open faster and stay open a bit longer therefore making more fps & fpe ! You said that you put a spacer in one of your Notos hammer springs isn't that the same thing as using a heavier hammer spring ?? Both the spacer & heavier hammer spring would preload the hammer spring !!
@@mary0224 yes, the spacer and the hammer spring being cranked up to the point of coil bing. Any more and the gun wouldn't cock. I did this for more power along with the regulator turned up to around 2300 or 2400 psi. I don't know the math on it but at some point I expect the pellet to be out of the barrel or nearly out of it before the valve can close. I'm certain in my case I was wasting a lot of air as it only got one mag before it fell off. It also didn't group as well at 30 yards. Not sure how far out I tested after that. My intentions were to get a little more power for 30 yard squirrels. I settled it back down to 18 fpe with 18 grain pellets and it shoots around 3/4" at 30 every time. Not exactly a target gun but plenty good enough for what I want and with even the small carbon fiber bottle it gets 100 shots at that power. Need to make a video on the conversion but I was waiting until I get my new block design finished before I disassemble it. Maybe help others out that are on the fence about mods and such
Initially there wasn't any real velocity change in the hammer spring adjustment at all. I suspected the hammer was already opening the valve all the way even on its lowest setting. This is because the regulator was set really low from the factory, probably to gain a few more shots. I backed the hammer spring all the way out then increased reg pressure until it lost velocity. Now when I turn the hammer spring up it actually increases velocity so I can tune for different ammo. It is currently bottled and using a paintball type regulator and 4500 psi carbon fiber bottle getting 100 shots per fill at 18.3 fpe. It gained just under a pound with the bottle conversion
Still have it. Shooting great and about to start testing some NSA 49.5 grain slugs in it. Took two doe's with it this season. Gonna get rid of the folding stock to shorten up the LOP and looking into a carbon fiber bottle for it
Mine is shooting 15.9 grain pellets at 720 fps. Just over 18 fb of energy. If I go to the trouble of fine tuning it and gaining FPE will the gun get louder when fired?
@@kidpellet6544 I'm a nube but I turned the regulator screw counter clockwise about the same as you did and left the trigger spring screw the same. Gained some fps. So is the next procedure to adjust the trigger screw clockwise to see if It will increase the fps?
@@theobserver9565 the trigger screw will not do anything for fps. Turning the regulator screw out a little more with the hammer spring backed out all the way will increase the fps to a point then start to decrease the fps. At this point you can turn the hammer spring in all the way to increase the fps. This will give you the most adjustment up AND down for tuning light and heavy pellets without modifying the airgun
@@tonynooyen2423 that's a Benjamin Marauder pistol 22 cal with an adapter I made for a cheap AR stock and buffer tube. Made it for my 8 and 12 year old to shoot
In, doesn't take much. I would only go about 1/8 tun clockwise, try it and adjust from there. If you mark its position you can always put it back to factory.
It's a pin spanner. I actually used a pair of right angle snap ring pliers www.harborfreight.com/adjustable-pin-wrench-36554.html?campaignid=17890471891&adsetid=146321459224&product=36554&store=289&gclid=CjwKCAjw-eKpBhAbEiwAqFL0mjD8MzPpJI9b7xB3EaN117rkdi0VZIhVV916sGu5W2GzvDV2nezAgBoCFHoQAvD_BwE
Hello sir I went to adjust my reg today and when I unscrewed the silver part the regulator stayed in the tube do you by chance know how I might get it out thanks sir.
Just got mine in.. 1/2 trying to figure out how to load the mag.. first note .. remove the SST lol.. idiot me. Still having issues i found the back side of the notch on the gun was damaged leaving raised material preventing the mag from sliding in. Quick file job and FINALLY haha.
First I've heard of the slot in the breach being damaged. It's the same mag as the Diana Bandit I have except that slot is at the bottom of the breach. I kinda like that better than at the top. I fumbled with this Notos mag as well lol. Mostly hanging onto it while loading it. I haven't ordered the Carm mag for it yet but since I've got a bottle on mine now that gets 100 shots per fill it wouldn't hurt to get a little bigger mag for it, or two
@@kidpellet6544 assuming it was done before assembly because there was no damage to the black coating. Then again i would of thought Umarex tests the guns before selling. I guess it could have been forced in place but it would of gouged the clear plastic cover on the mag.
@@Jeeper1378 to my knowledge none of the importers test anything before shipping. Heck, I know people that even paid PA for testing prior to shipping and received a non functioning or leaking airgun. General consensus is "that's what the warranty is for"
On mine, the regulator was to low to get any adjustment out of the hammer spring. I know, it sounds funny but it needs to be turned up with the hammer spring backed off all the way. When it hits the right pressure it will slow down. If you adjust it only turn it counterclockwise a little bit at a time and test it.
You might be able ballpark the PSI on that reg. Chrono it and see when it starts dropping fps, then look at the bottle pressure gauge? No idea if that would be accurate lol. Just a thought. I know I have bottle gauges that are probably 200psi off for my PCP. I have one bottle gauge on my paintball tank, off by 500psi. Or maybe that one is correct and the 20 others I have are all wrong. hahaha
@@kidpellet6544 I actually have a couple of those for paintball. I use them for the low pressure gauges, not many have that tool as options, but one of mine actually came with it. Manuals sometimes give ball parks on what psi you should be at with x amount of wrench turns, from x amount of resistence felt.
I think around 825 fps with a 14.3. I don't have anything exactly 15 grain so I went from 14.3 to 16 grain. Highest I got was around 24 for with 18 grain JSB with the regulator at around 2300 psi
@kidpellet6544 awesome I'm considering getting one but wasn't sure if the 700fps was gonna be enough got some prairie dogs about 50 yards hopefully it will be enough punch. Thanks for taking the time to reply!
@@kidpellet6544i tested it out stock just doesn't have enough i shot a few doves at 20 yrds and they just flew away im not sure if it came incorrectly adjusted i don't have a chrony to test it this was using the crossman 14.8g i believe. i might adjust it and put my plenum kit on what would you recommend? A half turn on the reg and max out the hammer spring?
@@slicktmi a half turn is a lot. If you dont have a chronograph try this. Fill the gun, shoot it at a target at 45 ish yards. Keep the same aim on the target and shoot it until the poi starts to drop. Check the pressure gauge and see what it says. Repeat and confirm the pressure at which it drops. This is roughly the regulator setting. Most are reporting 1900 psi. If you got the plenum kit from Ebay I think they come with a hammer spring spacer. Install that, turn the adjuster in as far as it will go and still cock. Then turn the reg up about a quarter turn. Repeat the shot string and see what pressure the poi drops again. Confirm it again and decide if you want to go more. You might be able to get some chronograph help from a local paintball or archery shop. You might have to bring your own backstop. I was able to get 23 fpe with approximately 2300 psi on the reg, a spacer on the hammer spring and JSB 18.13 pellets. That's plenty for pigeons and doves. The plenum kits should give you a little back on the shot count and a few fps.
You don't really need a video for that. It's easy, just turn it clockwise one turn then check to see if it clocks. Repeat until it doesn't. Then back it off a half turn until it cocks again. Fine tune it from there careful not to make it a hair trigger. Warning though, it could use a drop of blue thread lock to make it stay
@@kidpellet6544 Nice! A scope that costs many times more than the gun....sounds about right. LOL! Seriously though, is this one of the scopes that calculates trajectory of the pellet and compensates accordingly? (IN addition to the night function.) Thanks.
@@2musiclover534 the ATN scopes both thermal and day/night don't actually do the calculating. There is a rangefinder add on and then ballistics app that works with bluetooth to change the reticle for that particular distance. I do not personally have all that setup. It also doesn't work with the Thor LT I have as it is the cheapest model they have. I just sort of deal with the range by keeping it in my zero lol. It's very interesting to zero a thermal lol. It sees nothing but heat differences. A piece of aluminum foil rolled up in your hands stuck in cardboard with a hole in it works for a target. Aluminum foil taped to cardboard with a cross made of black electric tape works. Anything but the $30 dollar ATN target lol. This one was just under a grand when I got it but now it's closer to $700. The hot setup is the day/night vision with a handheld thermal. The handheld thermal let's you scan the area/trees day or night for heat signatures that would be hard to see among vegetation then you can use the day/night vision to see if there are any obstructions like branches. The thermal doesn't do such a good job of showing branches and such.
@hermes2019 if you really want the freedom and portability of a pumper then yes. It would be a very easy and inexpensive build. Big jump in power just putting a longer barrel on it. I believe you can get a drop in barrel on Ebay. Putting a shoulder stock on it is also really easy. You can get the Crosman stock but for me the length of pull is a little long. There's also some vendors selling a folding stock adapter that takes an AR style buffer tube and you can put whatever style AR stock you like on it. A little more expensive though. I made my own adapter to fit a Marauder pistol and got the cheapest buffer tube and stock I could find and it worked out great. Like the Crosman 2240 there is about no end to the mods you can buy or make
Not to adjust it. If your going to start disassembling parts of the trigger/receiver your not familiar with then I would degas just for safety. Generally though just turning the screw located in the trigger itself clockwise will take up all the slack. Take up to much slack and it will become a hair trigger. Back off just a little and it will be pretty good. I put a little thread lock on mine so it stays put.
@@mary0224 that's Umarex being ultra careful with the liability. If the gun is unloaded and un cocked its pretty safe to work on any part that doesn't hold air pressure. That's pretty much any PCP really
@@kidpellet6544 how much psi is put to the pellet when you pull the trigger? Reason I'm asking is I bought a tin of . 177 slugs and it says for pcp rifles only ( don't know why). Tried to put one in to shoot it and it was so tight I couldn't shove it in all the way to be flush with the barrel on my f4 crosman so was afraid to fire it . Wondering if pcps have more pressure to the pellet than a nitro piston or springer and that is why it is stated for pcp rifles only. Hope this answer makes sense. Thanks!
@@rodkramer8879 mine shoots several slugs without problems. As far as the regulator output goes, they seem to vary just a little from the factory from 2000 to 2200 it seems. If your going to try a slug for the first time in a magazine fed gun then single load them first. This way you can push the slug back out without problems
@@timmy4539 hold the slide release all the way in pull it back while lifting up a tad and just give it a good slide it comes off fairly easily goes back on a lot easier
So counterclockwise for more reg pressure? Great video Kid!
thanks kid pellet. i got mine in yesterday. i put 4 mags through it with crosman premieres. she dialed in pretty good at 25. im going to do what you did and mess with the trigger.
So, what was you goal? To increase or decrease the regulator pressure and why ? Thanks for showing this.
In this case I was increasing the pressure. Got more power out of it but at the cost of shot count. Went from 3 mags down to 1-1/2.
Getting 100 shots now at factory power levels but had to put a bottle on it to do that
@@kidpellet6544 Thanks for the reply and explanation. I, and I’m sure others, would like to see the bottle conversation. Could you post that ? Thanks
@@ItAintMeBabe99 going to make a video soon
@@kidpellet6544 how much fps did you gain just turning regulator from factory?
You must have tinkered with every toy you got for Christmas before even playing with it.🤣
Yah, pretty much
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We appreciate it.
Good job bro thanks for the good review and info👍🙂
Appreciate the video, very helpful for the future if I decide to tune mine up a little..how much has it changed your shot count by adding that 1/4 turn on the reg? How's shot count at the high and low setting on the hammer spring? 🤔 I have lots of questions 😂
Have not done a shot count yet. Just got done with the reg adjustment tonight.
My reg was set so low the hammer spring adjustment didn't make any change in velocity.
I turned it up a little and it actually had a little adjustment after that. Took the shot count down to about 14 shots at 22 ish fpe.
It has a carbon fiber bottle on it now and gets 100 shots at 22 fpe. Weights less than one lb more than with the air tube
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Any video on how you installed the carbon bottle?
@@elgreco255 no video yet but soon I'll make one
Looking forward to that tank video, wonder if a z valve adapter is needs, does the tank threads directly to the reg?
keep them coming i want to know if the barrel can be removed from the block for polishing
There is one Allen screw that holds the pic rail on.
Under that is another smaller Allen screw that hold the barrel in.
So, whats the highest velocity that was achieved with the adjustments??
If you shot the gun over a chrony and noted the point where the velocity dropped off and then read the gauge on the tank, wouldn't that be pretty close to the reg pressure setting? Maybe record the pressure before and after each shot to nail it down a little more accurately, but it seems that it should give a good ballpark feel for what the reg was on, wouldn't you think? If a guy didn't have a chrony, I bet he could shoot some pellets at long range and note when they suddenly dropped in elevation on the target. Using really heavy pellets would probably make the drop more obvious and sooner, seems to me. What do you think? I guess if you had a gun with both gauges you could test the theory, if you just wanted to find out. Might keep you from messin' with installing a second gauge.
It would be close enough but in my case I would want to know what I'm setting the reg at before I reassemble it
@@kidpellet6544 I can see that you'd need a gauge in that case.
Just chrony'd mine tonite. From a 3500psi fill to 2000. I get 38 usable shots down to 2000psi.
691-728 fps with JSB 15.9 its fave pellet. Why is everyone claiming just 21shots?
If need to adjust your hammer spring just unsrew the stock tube much easier and faster then taking 4 little screws out
Just drill a hole way much easier
@@chrisfigueroa3361 why would you drill a hole there’s already one there😂
@@brianschmidt6034 oh I didn't know lol 🤣 I don't have a notos but if I had to take off the stock every time I wanted to adjust the HST I would just make a hole to get to it lol
I have the same breech from Airgunbuy, how were you able to get the barrel in there? ?
Was wondering if your gonna try adjusting the trigger? It would b appreciated 👍🏻thumbs up on the video!
Already did the trigger. Turn the screw in until the sear wont catch then back it off until it does. It will adjust till it's a hair trigger and not safe. I think I have mine at around 1 lb or just under
@@kidpellet6544 awesome thanks for the info , I’ll try it 👍🏻
Have mine set at 12 ounces, works awesome!
I need one of these like a hole in my head, because I already have around a dozen PCP’s, but……….🤷🏼♂️
I gave up trying to be reasonable about which ones I need. I just hide behind calling it a collection and probably average 4 or 5 more a year lol
Hurrah@@kidpellet6544
Interesting. I have snowpeak pp750 with similar reg than notos.
My stock had reg screw about 3 threads out and took it ccw 1 whole round. It is too much? I just want to get all fpe out of it (for hunting big jack rabbits). Any ideas how much i can take it out for max fpe but reg still func correctly? Thaks for a great video!!
So counter clockwise for more pressure behind the regulator?
Yes, doesn't take much at all
You think it's possible to put a like a 300cc carbon fiber bottle on this ? Or will you have to do too much modification.
I have one on mine now. I made a custom offset adapter. Am working on several more.
I think I put a 220 cc bottle on it and got 100 shots on the reg at 18.3 fpe. Weighs less than a pound more. That's not bad for gaining 80 shots per fill
Thank you for that.
Any idea on the average number of shots before and after the reg increase?
I got 3 mags before and two mags after and I think it settled in at 23 fpe which isn't terrible for such a short barrel. Keep your eye open for the bottle conversion
Marauder pistol or notos? Which do you prefer? My prod is accurate ans quiet with a sumo.
I have both though not equipped with the same scope. Oddly enough my Marauder pistol is all stock still???? while my Notos has a custom bottle on it now.
I love all my Crosman/Benjamin stuff and have a couple of custom builds that are fantastic, however, stock Marauder pistol vs stock Notos, the Notos wins hands down. First, neither one is an extreme benchrest contender. More of a great 30 or 40 yard pesting/small game rig.
With very similar accuracy and power it's my humble opinion there isn't enough difference to say one is hands down better than the other in that area.
The Notos will indeed get 20 shots on the reg but doesn't seem to have as good a barrel as my Marauder pistol. The Marauder pistol I have will shoot really good for 10 or 15 shots and then needs a fill before poi starts to move.
The fact that the Notos has a regulator, and I don't know of anyone reporting reg creep or total reg failure is great. It also has a side lever, which isn't as important to me as some others.
The fact that the Notos comes with a fairly comfortable adjustable stock and the Marauder pistol has to be purchased as a kit or ordered separately, and costs more is another strike.
Then there's the cost, most Marauder pistols I've seen lately are north of $450 without the stock which I believe are around $40, it's not adjustable or all that comfortable, to me anyway.
The Notos, for the time being is still around $270. That's a lot of features for that price no matter what brand.
There's also a custom Carm magazine for it, a couple of custom bottle options so it has enough interest that the aftermarket world is already on it.
So I would definitely get a Notos over the Marauder pistol, probably going to get a lotta hate from the Marauder fans😬
I have somethingto ask have you tried a heaver hammer spring in the notos ? A lot of us dont have the courage to pull the gun apart to adjust the reg but the hammer spring would be a easy swap out to get some more fps out of the gun
The spring g is an easy swap for sure. The problem is, the spring in my two Notos is already opening the valve as far as the valve can open. That's why there is almost no noticable difference in hammer spring adjustment.
Most are finding that the velocity drops off right around 1900 psi. So 1900 psi is the general consensus for the factory regulator setting.
I increased my regulator to around 2300 psi and was able to get and adjustment from 12 fpe to 23 fpe with the factory spring but had to add a spacer to the spring.
What's important to note is that my shot count went from 3 mags to one mag. I'm positive this is why the gun comes setup the way it is. It has a fairly small airtube and increasing the pressure and fpe makes a huge difference in shot count.
There are some "plenum kits" on Ebay that if nothing else increases the volume of air the gun holds and gives a few more shots.
So far though no one is bragging about a big power gain.
Also, a few people in the Notos FB groups reported less that ideal threads and even chips in the plenum kit they got from Ebay.
I dont know if your in the Notos FB groups (2) but there are ways to bottle these things and one guy that is offering to do the work.
I bottled mine with a small carbon fiber bottle and at a factory 18 fpe it's getting 100 shots on the regulator. I put a little bigger bottle on it for an iguana hunt and didn't refill it the whole trip.
The carbon fiber regulated bottle and adapter will run about as much as the Notos itself though.
Maybe join both groups to see what people are doing. I'm in both as Ray Barnett and would be glad to share what I've done to mine so far
@@kidpellet6544 thank you for the come back and all the info! As far as Facebook I don't have it and never will I don't trust it they have been hacked to many times !
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Ok the springs in your Notos are fully opening the valve but if you put in a bit heavier spring the valve will open faster and stay open a bit longer therefore making more fps & fpe ! You said that you put a spacer in one of your Notos hammer springs isn't that the same thing as using a heavier hammer spring ?? Both the spacer & heavier hammer spring would preload the hammer spring !!
@@mary0224 yes, the spacer and the hammer spring being cranked up to the point of coil bing. Any more and the gun wouldn't cock. I did this for more power along with the regulator turned up to around 2300 or 2400 psi.
I don't know the math on it but at some point I expect the pellet to be out of the barrel or nearly out of it before the valve can close.
I'm certain in my case I was wasting a lot of air as it only got one mag before it fell off.
It also didn't group as well at 30 yards. Not sure how far out I tested after that.
My intentions were to get a little more power for 30 yard squirrels.
I settled it back down to 18 fpe with 18 grain pellets and it shoots around 3/4" at 30 every time.
Not exactly a target gun but plenty good enough for what I want and with even the small carbon fiber bottle it gets 100 shots at that power.
Need to make a video on the conversion but I was waiting until I get my new block design finished before I disassemble it.
Maybe help others out that are on the fence about mods and such
So did you back out your hammer spring until you saw a decrease in velocity to get the optimal use of your air?
Initially there wasn't any real velocity change in the hammer spring adjustment at all. I suspected the hammer was already opening the valve all the way even on its lowest setting. This is because the regulator was set really low from the factory, probably to gain a few more shots.
I backed the hammer spring all the way out then increased reg pressure until it lost velocity. Now when I turn the hammer spring up it actually increases velocity so I can tune for different ammo.
It is currently bottled and using a paintball type regulator and 4500 psi carbon fiber bottle getting 100 shots per fill at 18.3 fpe.
It gained just under a pound with the bottle conversion
What ever happened to your challenger pro in .30 cal?
Still have it. Shooting great and about to start testing some NSA 49.5 grain slugs in it. Took two doe's with it this season. Gonna get rid of the folding stock to shorten up the LOP and looking into a carbon fiber bottle for it
Mine is shooting 15.9 grain pellets at 720 fps. Just over 18 fb of energy. If I go to the trouble of fine tuning it and gaining FPE will the gun get louder when fired?
Mine was, just a little though. Not like it doubled in noise though.
@@kidpellet6544 I'm a nube but I turned the regulator screw counter clockwise about the same as you did and left the trigger spring screw the same. Gained some fps. So is the next procedure to adjust the trigger screw clockwise to see if It will increase the fps?
@@theobserver9565 the trigger screw will not do anything for fps.
Turning the regulator screw out a little more with the hammer spring backed out all the way will increase the fps to a point then start to decrease the fps. At this point you can turn the hammer spring in all the way to increase the fps.
This will give you the most adjustment up AND down for tuning light and heavy pellets without modifying the airgun
@@kidpellet6544 you mean just hammer spring adjustment is the best result while keeping factory regulator setting?
I gotta know what is the pistol with the stock on it
@@tonynooyen2423 can you tell me how many minutes in you saw it. I have a few pistols I've turned into carbines
@@kidpellet6544 first few seconds towards the bottom of screen with a scope on it
@@tonynooyen2423 that's a Benjamin Marauder pistol 22 cal with an adapter I made for a cheap AR stock and buffer tube.
Made it for my 8 and 12 year old to shoot
@@kidpellet6544 that’s why I was interested. I thought my nieces n nephews would like to shoot that. Thanks
If you want more shots you need to turn the screw in or out?
In, doesn't take much. I would only go about 1/8 tun clockwise, try it and adjust from there.
If you mark its position you can always put it back to factory.
What is that driver or plier called, used for removing the end cap with the regulator?
It's a pin spanner. I actually used a pair of right angle snap ring pliers
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@@kidpellet6544
Thank you!
I got that HF pin spanner, and the pins on the tool are significantly larger than the holes in the reg. Won't work.
Hello sir I went to adjust my reg today and when I unscrewed the silver part the regulator stayed in the tube do you by chance know how I might get it out thanks sir.
Same thing hapened to me,air tube came off the white part leaving the regulator inside the tube
Just got mine in.. 1/2 trying to figure out how to load the mag.. first note .. remove the SST lol.. idiot me. Still having issues i found the back side of the notch on the gun was damaged leaving raised material preventing the mag from sliding in. Quick file job and FINALLY haha.
First I've heard of the slot in the breach being damaged. It's the same mag as the Diana Bandit I have except that slot is at the bottom of the breach. I kinda like that better than at the top. I fumbled with this Notos mag as well lol. Mostly hanging onto it while loading it. I haven't ordered the Carm mag for it yet but since I've got a bottle on mine now that gets 100 shots per fill it wouldn't hurt to get a little bigger mag for it, or two
@@kidpellet6544 assuming it was done before assembly because there was no damage to the black coating. Then again i would of thought Umarex tests the guns before selling. I guess it could have been forced in place but it would of gouged the clear plastic cover on the mag.
@@Jeeper1378 to my knowledge none of the importers test anything before shipping. Heck, I know people that even paid PA for testing prior to shipping and received a non functioning or leaking airgun.
General consensus is "that's what the warranty is for"
@@kidpellet6544 thats crazy my 3 Gamo’s came from them. This is the first rifle i bought off Amazon. Last one too… prob a return 😂
Is it possible to adjust the regulator the other way, to reduce the power a little? 15-17 fpe would be just right for me.
On mine, the regulator was to low to get any adjustment out of the hammer spring. I know, it sounds funny but it needs to be turned up with the hammer spring backed off all the way. When it hits the right pressure it will slow down.
If you adjust it only turn it counterclockwise a little bit at a time and test it.
You might be able ballpark the PSI on that reg. Chrono it and see when it starts dropping fps, then look at the bottle pressure gauge? No idea if that would be accurate lol. Just a thought. I know I have bottle gauges that are probably 200psi off for my PCP. I have one bottle gauge on my paintball tank, off by 500psi. Or maybe that one is correct and the 20 others I have are all wrong. hahaha
That's the way to do it unless you have an apparatus to check the output before you re assemble it.
@@kidpellet6544 I actually have a couple of those for paintball. I use them for the low pressure gauges, not many have that tool as options, but one of mine actually came with it. Manuals sometimes give ball parks on what psi you should be at with x amount of wrench turns, from x amount of resistence felt.
low pressure regulator* not gauges lol
Thanks for the video👊
What's the most fps you can squeeze out of this with say a 15g pellet
I think around 825 fps with a 14.3. I don't have anything exactly 15 grain so I went from 14.3 to 16 grain. Highest I got was around 24 for with 18 grain JSB with the regulator at around 2300 psi
@kidpellet6544 awesome I'm considering getting one but wasn't sure if the 700fps was gonna be enough got some prairie dogs about 50 yards hopefully it will be enough punch. Thanks for taking the time to reply!
@@slicktmi Umarex is still advertising it at 12 fpe but everyone is getting around 18 fps out of the box
@@kidpellet6544i tested it out stock just doesn't have enough i shot a few doves at 20 yrds and they just flew away im not sure if it came incorrectly adjusted i don't have a chrony to test it this was using the crossman 14.8g i believe. i might adjust it and put my plenum kit on what would you recommend? A half turn on the reg and max out the hammer spring?
@@slicktmi a half turn is a lot.
If you dont have a chronograph try this.
Fill the gun, shoot it at a target at 45 ish yards. Keep the same aim on the target and shoot it until the poi starts to drop.
Check the pressure gauge and see what it says. Repeat and confirm the pressure at which it drops.
This is roughly the regulator setting. Most are reporting 1900 psi.
If you got the plenum kit from Ebay I think they come with a hammer spring spacer. Install that, turn the adjuster in as far as it will go and still cock. Then turn the reg up about a quarter turn.
Repeat the shot string and see what pressure the poi drops again. Confirm it again and decide if you want to go more.
You might be able to get some chronograph help from a local paintball or archery shop. You might have to bring your own backstop.
I was able to get 23 fpe with approximately 2300 psi on the reg, a spacer on the hammer spring and JSB 18.13 pellets. That's plenty for pigeons and doves. The plenum kits should give you a little back on the shot count and a few fps.
How bout a vid on trigger adj.?? I hear that it is adj. but can't find a vid on it!!!
You don't really need a video for that. It's easy, just turn it clockwise one turn then check to see if it clocks. Repeat until it doesn't. Then back it off a half turn until it cocks again.
Fine tune it from there careful not to make it a hair trigger.
Warning though, it could use a drop of blue thread lock to make it stay
@@kidpellet6544you are right, easy to adjust, 1lb triger no problem
Which way do you turn to increase?
Counterclockwise will compress the spring
What is the scope you have on there? Thanks.
That is an ATN Thor LT thermal
@@kidpellet6544 Nice! A scope that costs many times more than the gun....sounds about right. LOL! Seriously though, is this one of the scopes that calculates trajectory of the pellet and compensates accordingly? (IN addition to the night function.) Thanks.
@@2musiclover534 the ATN scopes both thermal and day/night don't actually do the calculating. There is a rangefinder add on and then ballistics app that works with bluetooth to change the reticle for that particular distance.
I do not personally have all that setup. It also doesn't work with the Thor LT I have as it is the cheapest model they have.
I just sort of deal with the range by keeping it in my zero lol.
It's very interesting to zero a thermal lol. It sees nothing but heat differences. A piece of aluminum foil rolled up in your hands stuck in cardboard with a hole in it works for a target.
Aluminum foil taped to cardboard with a cross made of black electric tape works.
Anything but the $30 dollar ATN target lol.
This one was just under a grand when I got it but now it's closer to $700.
The hot setup is the day/night vision with a handheld thermal.
The handheld thermal let's you scan the area/trees day or night for heat signatures that would be hard to see among vegetation then you can use the day/night vision to see if there are any obstructions like branches. The thermal doesn't do such a good job of showing branches and such.
@@kidpellet6544 Thank you! :)
Is that a modified Crosman 1322 on your table?
@@hermes2019 I don't think I've done a 1322 but it may be a 1720T or a Benjamin Maximus I made into a pistol for Pistol FT
@kidpellet6544 I have a 1322 that I was thinking of upgrading to a carbine and some power enhancements. Wondering if it is worth it...
@hermes2019 if you really want the freedom and portability of a pumper then yes. It would be a very easy and inexpensive build. Big jump in power just putting a longer barrel on it. I believe you can get a drop in barrel on Ebay. Putting a shoulder stock on it is also really easy. You can get the Crosman stock but for me the length of pull is a little long. There's also some vendors selling a folding stock adapter that takes an AR style buffer tube and you can put whatever style AR stock you like on it. A little more expensive though. I made my own adapter to fit a Marauder pistol and got the cheapest buffer tube and stock I could find and it worked out great.
Like the Crosman 2240 there is about no end to the mods you can buy or make
@@kidpellet6544 hmmm... Is there a way to PM you on this topic?
@@kidpellet6544 is there a way for me to PM you. I have a couple other questions.
Hey brother good video. Is that a 3-9 LTV?
It's this one
ATN THOR LT 160 3-6X
Ultra Light Thermal Rifle Scope
@@kidpellet6544 appreciate it:)
I have something to ask my Notos came out of box with a 10 lb trigger pull ! Do you really have to degas the gun just to adjust the trigger ??
Not to adjust it. If your going to start disassembling parts of the trigger/receiver your not familiar with then I would degas just for safety.
Generally though just turning the screw located in the trigger itself clockwise will take up all the slack.
Take up to much slack and it will become a hair trigger. Back off just a little and it will be pretty good.
I put a little thread lock on mine so it stays put.
@@kidpellet6544
🤔 it says in the owner's manual. On pages 8 & 9 that you have to de-gas the gun before you even start to adjust the trigger pull !
@@mary0224 that's Umarex being ultra careful with the liability. If the gun is unloaded and un cocked its pretty safe to work on any part that doesn't hold air pressure.
That's pretty much any PCP really
@@kidpellet6544 👍
Very consistent fps spread with the lighter pellets.😎
You brought me here! lol
@@toxicmatrix1337
Yup….😂
@@toxicmatrix1337
This is the guy that messed with the regulator and increased the fps. I am not knowledgeable enough to tear down the rifle yet.
@@johnnybbgunner2136 Future video? Are you planning to adjust the reg or switch up pellets?
@@toxicmatrix1337
Sorry for the confusion. I am switching up different pellets. I am not very knowledgeable on this rifle for tear downs.
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Any idea how much psi. it releases before adjustment?
Not sure what you mean
@@kidpellet6544 how much psi is put to the pellet when you pull the trigger? Reason I'm asking is I bought a tin of . 177 slugs and it says for pcp rifles only ( don't know why). Tried to put one in to shoot it and it was so tight I couldn't shove it in all the way to be flush with the barrel on my f4 crosman so was afraid to fire it . Wondering if pcps have more pressure to the pellet than a nitro piston or springer and that is why it is stated for pcp rifles only. Hope this answer makes sense. Thanks!
@@rodkramer8879 mine shoots several slugs without problems. As far as the regulator output goes, they seem to vary just a little from the factory from 2000 to 2200 it seems. If your going to try a slug for the first time in a magazine fed gun then single load them first. This way you can push the slug back out without problems
I have a dumb thing to ask does the butt stock come off of the buffer tube ? And if it does how do you get it off ??
You can unsrew the tube from the hand grips you also can take it off the tube I did and glued foam inside so it doesn’t rattle around
@@brianschmidt6034 that's just the thing I can't get the rear stock off of the buffer tube ! How do you get it off ??
@@timmy4539 hold the slide release all the way in pull it back while lifting up a tad and just give it a good slide it comes off fairly easily goes back on a lot easier
@@brianschmidt6034 ok thanks I'll give that a try ! But I've tried before and could not get it to come off
I think your stock Notos is under powered. Whitout the adjustment it should make an avg of 20fpe with the 18.1 pellets
I think it made 18 out of the box. Several others had reported about the same. Umarex said 12 fpe, I think maybe they had some numbers wrong.