***ATTENTION*** Please check out my other video (linked below) about the choice between an off-road oriented crossover and a dedicated body on frame off-roader (like the 4runner). I observe that the choice is between "On-road handling and efficiency vs. Off-road capability". One thing to keep in mind is that you must drive hours upon hours "ON-ROAD" to get to your destination only to drive anywhere from 5-10 miles on an established dirt trail to get to your remote campsite. Can a crossover make it? I think these ones can. th-cam.com/video/Hlg41C-W9r4/w-d-xo.html
Steven Peterson someone was asking me what was the best vehicle to get out and adventure. He said his wife was interested in a 4 runner, and that’s a pretty solid choice, but This would be daily driven. Fuel would be almost twice as much in the 4 runner, so that’s a huge thing to consider. Also, I’ve driven 800 miles off-road so far. That’s a lot right? But I’ve driven 20.5k miles total, and that only accounts for 4% of my total miles. So the 4Runner won’t be for everyone, just like the Honda Passport won’t be for everyone. I use to drive a 2008 TRD FJ cruiser, which is very similar to the current 4Runner.
Steven Peterson the Jeep Wrangler JL is also a very capable machine and it gets a diesel next year. The all new Toyota trucks are also on the horizon, but we don’t know any details about them.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring True, they are coming out with a diesel option, I know that the jeep wrangler will get 30+ mpg but if you honestly got the money just engine swap the tacoma or 4runner for a diesel engine and you will get 36+ mpg with reliability as well
Steven Peterson TFL has a video of a guy with a 2018 Tacoma 3.5v6 that did a 4cylindrer 3.0T diesel swap. I’m not sure if the truck was 32k total or if the swap cost 32k total. Haha
Honda needs to start paying attention on your videos and hopefully do some sponsorship program with you. Definitely, you are elevating their product's capabilities.
@@shagmymonkey 4th gen with the supercharger, (especially the v8 ones, but v6 still holds its own) annihilate v8 camero's and mustang gt 500s on the strip. So, they are best power to weight ratio. Being that the new ones are 500 lbs heavier, and only come with the v6, they aren't as spunky.
Your videos are fun to watch. It's like off road revenge of the nerds. You get all techie and analytical. Hey, it's the spirit and about having fun. Plus it is interesting to see what crossovers can do with a lot of patience and a few mods. I saw a dude in a RAV4 on Cleghorn trail killing it and a Mazda CX5 on Mojave road just cruising along. I liked the Mojave road video, too. In the mean time, I will stick to my Taco TRD OR 4x4 as I travel alone sometimes. Keep having fun.
I think its clear that even the 4Runner SR5 is no match for the Passport, Forester & Outlander even with those road worthy tires and I can clearly see the 4Runner driver reaching for A-Trac at @19:14 on test 3. He wasn't even using his A-Trac while he was going on Test 3. Atleast its a good thing for the 4Runner driver as its new to him to understand what A-Trac does. I sold my stock tires right after I bought the 4Runner and its night and day. Either way its fun to watch other vehicles even after mods trying to keep up with a lowest grade stock 4Runner SR5. Good stuff...
Lion Runner thanks for stopping by to leave a comment, I always enjoy your feedback. I believe you mean that the Passport, Forester and Outlander are "no match for the 4Runner offroad", and that is 100% true. Thanks for pointing out that he did not have A-trac on during the 3rd test. I'm unfamiliar with the system and I trust your observation. My goal with the Passport is to make it capable enough to get through many trails while still being a good daily driver (Here in Los Angeles, California parking is scarce, so owning two vehicles isn't an option for many of us).
@@JonDZ_Adventuring absolutely yes. 4runner is no match with other 3 on road. Especially on the mountain highways. Die hard 4runner fans may disagree but for me it lacks acceleration on mountain highways. Though 4Runner wins with this group if a Jeep Wrangler joins a 4Runner is no match for the off-road capability of a Jeep Wrangler.
@@LionRunner only partially agree about the Jeep. Extreme rocky terrain I give Jeep the edge for sure but otherwise they're pretty even. I've seen too many 4runners pull jeeps out of bad situations. 4runner with front lockers would rule all but that's just wishful thinking.
David Wethington that’s true. The biggest thing I miss on the 4Runner is front solid axle. I’m not confident in installing a front locker on IFS though I haven’t even needed to use crawl control. That disconnect sway bar is a great option too right? As for 4runner KDSS is the only option closer to that but definitely cannot compete with the sway bar disconnect. As for comfort my buddy got the “rock crawler” kit (comes with falcon shocks as I can remember)for the Jeep and it’s damn awesome and better than my cheap OME shocks.. I feel jealous how easy the Jeep takes the trails while some places are butt crunchy for the 4runner.. LoL.
@Lion Runner and @David Wethington you guys bring up some really good points. Out here in California, many of the trails aren't very difficult. Even the Monache Meadows jeep trail can be driven into with a stock CVT Subaru (with very careful driving). One thing that I would prevent me from hitting the trails or driving 760 miles (round trip) to go snowboarding would be the cost of fuel. I use to drive a 2008 FJ cruiser TRD with the massive roof rack, and getting places seemed to cost almost twice as much as in my old Subaru or my new Passport. I know it will never happen, but I'd love to see a diesel options for 4runner. There's a rumored hybrid option, but that means it'll either need a CVT or independent electric motors at the rear, and if it's anything like the Rav4 or Lexus RX, I wouldn't be interested.
Good work Jon. Unfortunately we did not do the 1st gear TC off. However, I admit CVT and subaru tuning will be struggled at this angle and rock climb. Most likely more momentum will get it yet at the potential expense of breaking something.
You could certainly make it with a hair more momentum. I have an identical Forester, except for the locker, and I've been able to reliably drive up steep grades, between 30-45 deg, with ruts at least as bad as the ones here. You don't need to drive fast, just have SOME momentum at more than a crawl, and I've found the CVT to do perfectly fine.
Dang Jon, you're really cranking these out! This was a really nicely put together set of tests, especially with that 4Runner in there setting the standard. The Torq Locker going up the rutted climb was very impressive...that's a game changer and I'm really starting to feel it's worth the trebuchet clicking. :-) Very enjoyable, detailed, and well-analyzed look at an assortment of obstacles.
softroadingthewest this was completely spontaneous, just like in my last video. I have a 16 hour notice and we got a group together. What perfect timing with the video about off-road crossovers vs. body on frame SUV’s and trucks. I’d love to see your SH forester with the locker, it has lots of potential with the 4EAT.
Great video! Glad I was introduced to you by SoftroadingtheWest! I had a 2014 Subaru Forester XT and had a few situations where I couldn't make it up an obstacle due to the CVT. I upgraded to a 2018 Nissan Frontier Pro-4X. Sure, I took a hit on the MPG, but I'm happier in every other area. Although, I must admit, that Forester XT was a blast to drive on pavement with that turbo engine!
Adam Polselli that’s awesome that you found me through Donald! We’ve supported each other ever since I got into car camping/overlanding. I consider him my very first social media friend, and it was nice to finally meet him in person a month ago. Congrats on the new ride! I’m glad you are happy with it. To No more struggles!!! Cheers 🍻
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I enjoyed the video he posted of your initial meeting (I think it was at Edward Shin's meet-up). To no more struggles, sir! Cheers!
Kristian Neira I'm super impressed with what a stock 4runner with stock tires and A-trac was able to do. Comparing it to a 1999 land cruiser 100 series with BFG KO2's (no A-trac) the 4runner with soccer Mom tires did better. I'm blown away.
It is criminal that Subaru went to CVT man, how many more of these videos need to come up for them to intro a normal transmission for a "trail package" of some sort.
66racer I plan to,buy another Subaru Forester myself my last one divided on me last year, I refuse to buy a new one with a CVT I prefer the four speed auto or the five speed manual. Sadly you can’t buy a XT of any year with a manual gearbox. So if I go the route of an XT I can get the four speed automatic. Of course this means buying a 3rd gen Forester.
@@rr8299 the stalling mainly but if you operate within it's limits nothing wrong with them and they are fine for most Subaru owners I'm sure. I would watch the video that JonDZ posted about the CVT trans so you know what I mean.
66racer excellent comment! @rr8299 that’s sound advice. When I had my 2015 Forester XT, I tried to push the limits (trying to hang with the older Subaru’s). Many people mount heavier tires, and strap 150 lbs of gear on top. Be careful about doing that. Not only will it decrease capability, but you’ll also negate the benefits Subaru intended for, which is increased fuel economy. Operate within the limits, that’s great advice! Also... if you want to go anywhere, Get a winch! There’s this guy with a FWD Honda Fit that has been going up difficult trails via “winching”. If the going gets rough, it’ll be invaluable!
Got a passport elite because of your videos. I probably won't do the offorading like you do, but ill definitely go camping with it. Definitely more comfortable than the 4runner and toyota is trying to sell them like they're gold.
Used truck market is crazy right now! For many car manufacturers, No new trucks will be sold until 2022, maybe even 2023. 6 days ago I conquered imogene pass going up the hard side. It was such an awesome time! I have an overview video up.
My wife has a CX-5 AWD and while I could get it to cool places there’s always a fair chance of breaking something. In the 4Runner I just go. I love that you guys are using them. Better than the mall crawler Jeep’s, for sure.
Another great video. I think its great you get out and use your vehicles. I have a Tacoma TRD off road, Ive been very impressed with what you can do. A lot of jeeps, 4runners, Tacos etc will never do some of the trails you’ve done, thanks for the videos, i look forward to more.
This video is awesome! Question though, I have a stock 2016 style outlander s-awc , is it pretty much useless with lifting since the clearance and over hang isn’t ideal?
I still don't know why there're only a few people watch all these. You're trying to bring that Honda toward epic off road, but did Honda encouraged you?
Moninn Yem besides the 3rd test, the 4Runner did flawless, but as someone mentioned A-Trac wasn’t on, so it passed the tests with flying colors. That was expected though. The bad thing is the MPG’s and road handling. My modified passport still gets as high as 21-22 mpg at 80mph, but the 4Runner will do 15-16 at 80mph stock. So it’s a trade off and I hope all my testing can point people in the right direction on what vehicle to choose.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I have Tacoma and yes it pains me a little when I visit the pump, especially now with current middle east situation bringing gas prices up but I don't mind since I know can wheel at any moment I want or need to.
I have a 2011 Mitsubishi Outlander SE with the locking dif and the I4 engine. Been wanting to get into off-roading and got new Falken wildpeak AT tires and thinking of adding a 1.5 lift all around. These videos help me believe that you can do it in almost any vechical and that makes me very excited
Does that Forester XT owner have a TH-cam channel? Or an IG or any other social media? I have the same model/year and would like to pick his brain regarding the torq locker!
Great Conte t. I like that you guys are putting these awd crossovers to the test. That 4 runner at the end of the first obstacle looks like it hit the transfer case skid plate.
Hey Jon. I've been enjoying your videos for a while. I bought a Honda Passport and love it so far. I have 2 questions...1, How many miles do you have on your Passport and 2, have you had any transmission issues or better yet, how is it holding up for you? Lastly...any problems with your Passport? You're making a new path for all of us "Crossover" enthusiasts! Thanks so much for what you do!!
Ram14250 thanks! I appreciate all the comments you have left! So, I’ve had my Passport for 11 months now and I have 27k miles on it. **Bonus Info** I’ve had it lifted at 8k miles, so it’s 19k miles with the lift. I have not had any transmission issues. I also do not have a transmission cooler. With the 2nd gen ZF9, I don’t expect any overheating. I actually bought a scan gauge 2 to monitor my transmission temp ($130). The highest temps I have seen going up steep prolonged climbs is 208 Fahrenheit. Well within normal limits. Congrats on the Passport.
@ray Perez and @Ram14250 I don’t plan on installing a transmission cooler anymore. I have a scan gauge 2 and monitor my transmission temps. The highest temp I saw has been 209 Fahrenheit. Yesterday I was driving up steep and fairly loose terrain and my friend with an Acura MDX with the Honda 6speed was getting overheating warnings. I was only at 199 Fahrenheit.
The Transmission is the Factor in climbing and 4-cylinder or 6-cylinder engine. This short comment is before I watch the video. Yep, this is hardcore Climbing and off-road. CVT is not built for this. CVT is built for fuel efficiency but not for Climbing.
It is really not. And using oversize tires reduces the available torque, reducing the vehicle's capabilities in that regard even more. Looks like they all had plenty fun anyway. ;-)
@@hmpeter The Big point is that they have fun and enjoy life that is what life all about. But some Reviews are so bias for the products that got paid for.
Great video! A lot of sensitive people in the comments section lol. The inconvenient truth is most people don't need/use nearly as much off-road capability as they think. Same way no one really needs/uses the racing tech in sports car with 400+ HP for driving on public roads. It's just a flex to project an image.
Can’t believe you guys did Pronghorn. 😱 Well done. I’ve always heard really great things about the Toyota’s A-trac system. I believe even the 4th gen had it there just wasn’t a button to turn it off. I wonder what crossover has the best crawl ratio maybe one of the jeeps?
These videos you do are awesome for a perspective buyer. I’m in the market for something and you are certainly steering me in a certain direction. I’ve owned a Toyota forerunner 1997 in the past and I can tell you that although it was an amazing truck it also came with some reliability issues. And it was pristine when I bought it from the first owner. I’ve also owned a Subaru and sold it back To the dealership after a couple of years due to a class action lawsuit so my trust in Subaru is not there anymore and I hate CVT transmissions. I am stuck at this point between the new Kia telluride and a Honda product. 99% of the time it will be driven on the roads and highways and every once in a great while perhaps off the beaten path but nothing extreme. Subscribed
Don't know what you are talking about - both of my 4Runners (2004 and 2018) behave perfectly on- AND off-road. I just drove the 2018 4,500 mi round trip. I know. Granted, my 2021 RAV4 Hybrid is even better on road.
4runner is hands down best all around though. And still #1 out of ALL non luxury mid sized Suvs in reliability. 60% still on road today, with well over 250k original miles on them.
MyCrippledWings the 4 runner desperately needs *to be* brought up to modern times. A Jeep Wrangler handles better, is more capable, and more efficient. The only thing that’s questionable is long term reliability. Thanks for your opinion, but the 4 runner is on the same platform as the 2008 FJ cruiser I use to drive, and that only point to driving that vehicle was for its off-road prowess. Just keeping it real.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I have an 07 sr5, and would pick it over any shitty jeep any day. Better on road, more cargo space, guaranteed to get me home. The wrangler is good at only one thing, the 4runner at many. As for design, why fix what isn't broke? Keep being called a dinosaur, because it's not all techy inside. When less stuff to break or fail, better it is for the owner. Who the fuck needs lane assist, auto cruise control, all that stuff that makes retarded drivers, in an off road setting anyway? Also, wrangler hasn't changed much itself either, but it's a Jeep, so the cults behind it seem to forgive it for being the same damn vehicle since inception. Aside from shittier overall quality over the years, and powertrian changes. Before my 07 4runner, I was looking at some jeeps actually, came across a 2015 Jeep Cherokee/grand Cherokee. Didn't even test drive them. One look, and I practically threw up. Couldn't pay me to drive a jeep, let alone sit in one. Plus, wrangler gets horrible fuel economy, can't tow for shit, they aren't all that great actually. But I suppose some people love being in the shops, more than on the road/off it. And like it up the ass, from their local Jeep/Dodge dealer. Jeep owners are like vegans, how you know someone is a Jeep owner? They'll tell ya. 😂
@@JonDZ_Adventuring the only wrangler that beats a base 4x4 4runner off road is the Rubicon wrangler. Toyota has best 4x4 system in the world. Wrangler just Can go a little farther because of the solid front axle, and smaller size. But all around functionality, can't match the 4runner really. At least I'm pretty much guaranteed, 250k+ problem free miles, as long as its cared for that is. Plus the v8 (though mine is a v6 model) that was offered for the 4th gens (03-09) is said to be best v8 ever made. With quite a few 1 MIL mile examples. Also, Lexus GX460/470 are pretty much luxury versions of 4runners, just as capable off road. All jeep has now is the wrangler, everything else is a glorified crossover, and shadows of what they once were. Aside from being the shittiest brand America sells. My 2wd is more capable off road, than a trailhawk is. 😂 Not that I need 4x4. It's more than capable for my needs. And can always be built to prerun. Something wranglers/jeep in general were NEVER good at. Most versatile mid sized SUV. All wrangler has is cheap parts from its fallen brethren, and off road ability. It pales in comparison everywhere else. We don't buy them for the tech, but for the literally unmatched reliability and minimal maintanence needs. Plus, they have no problem selling like hotcakes, retain value far stronger for longer. Can haul your family, and pets, wherever you please, in comfort. Wrangler and 4runner are in classes all by themselves, no equals today. Also not direct competition either. And lastly, the 4runner is WORTH what it cost to buy, jeeps are not.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring 4runners in general are America's most reliable vehicle, not just suvs. People like what they like. Just, I was done with all the bullshit failures that Ford puts into the 05 f150 I once had, from FACTORY. never in my life had I had a vehicle with so many issues. Went straight to auction with only 45k on it. I did extensive research. And although America is good at multiple things. Building reliable vehicles, worth the cost to buy and own, is sadly not one of them. It's better than any crossover, can vouch that much. Lol, has a 5k tow rating, which isn't bad for an NA v6 mid sized SUV, it's pretty quick for its size. (0-60 in 7 secs), and the v8 models with the supercharger can smoke the fuck out of a mustang gt500 on the strip, without sacrificing off road ability. A jeep will get you places. But a 4runner will get you there, AND back! less money on bullshit failures and repairs, more on mods and adventures. What's not to like really? Also, on r/4runner. Many once wrangler/jeep, and Subaru sti/wrx/forester etc owners, traded them in for a 4runner. And every single one said, they have zero regrets, and like myself, wish they done so much sooner. Had I been aware prior. I would of bought this shit new. Still have it today. But was former Nissan lover that was before they started putting out piles of shit. Between the pathfinder, and this. The 4runner beats it out in area's that matter. Does it have all the bells and whistles that newer vehicles have? No. Does it have issues because of all the flash and dash they cram into all the newer vehicles today? Also no. They of course aren't the best, but they are pretty damn close. Lol.
Such great content Bro, informative and entertaining. Everytime I watch your videos they only make me want to buy a new Honda Passport even more. Greetings from El Paso, TX/Juárez, México🙋🏻♂️
The twin disk really likes constant and delibrate throttle. Once it starts working just stay in it and keep moving with slow throttle inputs to keep momentum
Jesse when I had my 2015 Forester XT, I was pretty sad all the other 4EAT Forester 2.5’s were more capable than me. It was actually the older Foresters that inspired my purchase of the Honda Passport.
Fit Fat Boyz id love to. I have a feeling the Subaru’s with the TR580 (these are the CVT’s in the bass mode engines) should do better due to a better transmission stall. Combined with dual Xmode, it just may get up the first test. @daklakfoto I believe Liana got up this obstacle with her Outback 2.5. I may be wrong, and if she did, I wouldn’t know how much momentum.
Andy Ham very true! I am Impressed! It is the just a little more expensive than my Passport EX-L AWD which is $37K. I know Honda’s intent was to slot the passport under the 4Runner and Jeep Grand Cherokee as far as offroad capability, so I think this test kinda proves that... sort of... since I wouldn’t recommend a stock Passport to attempt these obstacles, let alone a black diamond trail. Where the 4Runner kicks ass off-road, the Passport kicks ass on road. So it’s nice to show how some crossovers are capable of doing these things.
Hey I just bought a 2019 Passport Sport after watching some of your videos. I am totally into the whole be comfy on the road but capable off the road too. Question.... did you remove the front air dam? Does it look OEM/clean if you do? What offset do you recommend for a rim and fitting a bigger tire on it?
ibdustin15 I removed the mud guards and front chin spoiler. I also cut my front bumper corner overhangs. You can be the judge if my passport looks OEM or not. As far as wheel offset, I’d recommend not going too extreme unless you know what you’re doing.
Hey Jon! How did you lift your Passport. Is it a custom lift kit? I cant find any kits for my 2012 Sorento so I am summing up ideas what to do? For now Im thinking of putting 2inch thick metal plates and use the orignal suspension parts but Im still not sure. Cheers!
All the premium engine CVT Subaru’s have the high torque version of the First gen lineartronic CVT designated TR690. Since 2014, the TR690HT has been in the premium engines. However, in 2018 Subaru made some improvements. They revised the chain belt. They continually improve the parts, I think it’s just the design. A CVT uses two cones and a chain (or chain belt in Subaru’s case). A traditional automatic uses gears. Only one of these two transmissions can actually lock up. However, There may be some hope with Xmode 2.0, since it allows wheel slip. That doesn’t mean a Subaru can’t compete test 1. Check out this Instagram clip. This 1st gen a Subaru Forester with a 4EAT transmission was able to make it. instagram.com/p/B7QO2wcphnX/?igshid=1k7uhitvtl6uv
you’re so on point on subarus CVT problems when it comes to off roading. basically the computer inside subaru prevents the engine to rev up to minimize the heating issue with transmission even with the oil coolant equipped. ever since subarus went CVT all their cars transmissions went garbage. old subarus uses traditional automatic and will kick ass any new subaru when it comes to AWD. good video man. keep it up!
Zackery McPherson everyone had offroad tires except for the Toyota 4Runner. It didn’t need em to rock these tests. My Honda Passport has the least aggressive All-terrain tires. I plan to go with some Toyo Open Country AT3’s next.
Kevin Sullivan good question! So, I only used sand mode during the 2nd climb. I think sand mode is the superior mode when using momentum, but if you crawl in normal mode below 1600 rpms, the system may take better advantage of traction control. Actually! The reason that sand mode might not work for me for crawling is because the throttle inputs become much more sensitive, so trying to keep the gas below 1600 is difficult. I have a feeling that if I was doing 10 mph up these ruts in sand mode, it wouldn’t be a problem at all. I’ll have to do more testing, I actually recently found out about the 1200-1600 sweet spot of braked based traction control. Combined with the twin clutch rear differential, it’s seems to be pretty capable. It’s no true locker though.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Interesting about the 1200-1600 rpm sweet spot for brake-based traction control. Why would they limit it's function to this range (where torque is lower)? Perhaps for highway cruising in wet conditions or something? I always wondered how much the brakes assist, after seeing multiple videos (yours, Car Question diagonal, Driving Sports TV) where a PP's wheel in the air spins a lot and doesn't seem to "pulse" the brakes the way a Subaru or even the 4Runner does when teetering on 2 or 3 wheels. Would be interested to see if normal mode crawls better on that climb, with torque vectoring and TC on, although it seems in the past you've pretty much proved Sand mode works best in most off-road conditions. Also just saw a Volvo Cross Country failed Driving Sports TV's cross cut climb, so the Passport remains the only AWD vehicle (and only vehicle without locking difs) to make it up that hill so far. Maybe Honda felt that ivtm-4 was capable enough to not require too much brake assistance?
Kevin Sullivan i think the brake based traction control system is there to help crawl situations. The wheels spin in the Passport because the twin clutch rear differential is doing most of the power transfer. The spinning wheel is getting very minimal wheel torque. A lot of people will confuse that with being less capable, but when the Passport magically gets up an obstacle, they’re dumbfounded. LOL.
Final obstacle, looked like the 4runner was in 4high. Also, does that model 4runner have Hill Descent control? Next time opt for the "Offroad" model. It has a factory rear locker.
wcjeep I have no idea, haha! That last hill is steeper than it looks on camera, so I’m sure he was in 4 Low, but as someone mentioned in a previous post, he probably didn’t have A-Trac on. The comment right below says he has hill descent control, but either the case, descending in 4 low 1st gear is always a safe idea where his 32:1 ratio will help. The Honda is at a 20:1 ratio, and I could only imagine how scary this would be without engine braking. It would be just dead weight falling straight down. The TRD off-road is a compelling choice indeed!
@@ItzzTesta agree the highlighted locations were fine for open diff. It's better to have a selectable locker on standby and not need it. The 4runner off-road has an electronic select locker with manual transfer case. Most electronic transfer cases should be routinely exercised to prevent the solenoid from freezing in place.
@@JonDZ_Adventuringknowing that you have seen at least some of Hondapilotoverland's videos, u know you have seen there are ways to improve the articulation of the Honda offerings it's just a nuisance to have the extra step before and after offroading.
Excelent Video Man, I own an Outlander and looking forward to getting some ground clearance, do you know by chance what tires is this truck running in that video? and thanks in advance
It’s cute watching these cute-utes do this. I’ll give ‘em an ‘A’ for effort. But no doubt it’s a bit comical watching this. In EXTREMELY lite trails and city snow, they “rock”, lol.
Grocery Grip haha! You must be Australian. I know you guys even consider the 4 runner a cute little light off-roader. Here in the USA the 4 runner is considered to be one of the most capable off-road vehicles, which I can understand you find funny. Haha! I watch a lot of Ronny Dahl, so I’m familiar with what you guys think of our vehicles.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring haha I was thinking to myself, most Aussies and kiwis don't even think the 4runners are that capable but truth be told, the diesel varients we have here are pretty solid machines
@@JonDZ_Adventuring , born and raised in Florida, live in Atlanta. 4 runner isn't the cutey pie of the group. I saw it as the benchmark for which the cuties were being measured. So my undivided attn wasn't on the 4runner, so much the fun the rest of you guys were having. FYI, i have a cute ute crush on the Ridgeline btw, that'll be our lil secret ;-)
Love that the Mitsubishi CVT is far better than most others and can handle off-road abuse, and the S-AWC system is awesome as well. I own a 2005 Mitsubishi Montero Limited and that thing is a tank and goes pretty much anywhere with only traction control and no lockers (IMO, only Land Rover has a better traction control system for pure off-roading). What type of lift was used for the Outlander-I may have to get my Montero a little brother!😂
Sonny Mercado the Outlander GT in this video actually has a 6 speed automatic. BUT, you are correct, the Jatco CVT’s that is in the Mitsubishi’s are a bit more capable with their 17:1 crawl ratio (compared to 12-14:1 in CVT Subaru’s). I saw an Instagram post of an Eclipse Cross drive “UP” the Pronghorn trail (which is a black diamond “difficult” trail). He sent it up really hard, and I have no idea if his suspension survived, but he got up!
Nathan Powers that makes perfect sense! If I didn’t live in the city (particularly Los Angeles, which has the worst traffic in America) then I’d probably go with something else. I’m thinking I’ll shoot for a 3/4 ton truck with a slid in camper as my next adventure mobile 😃.
I had a 2014 XT and went through 3 CVT transmissions before I traded it in for a 2016 Tiguan SEL. NOw I drive a 2019 GTI which is getting small and looking to get a 2022 Passport Trailsport. Small world indeed
Same, I haven't found a single video showcasing the 5th gen RAV4 tackling this kind of terrain on TH-cam yet, despite it being more than capable of doing so.
@Jeremiah Malicsi and @sierra delta the TH-cam channel Driving sports TV has some good videos on the 2019 Rav4. I’m in contact with an owner of a 2019 RAV4 so hopefully one day I’ll test it. I think it has a good chance of making it up some of the tests, but please keep in mind that this video has V6 and turbocharged crossovers with full time AWD systems. The Rav4 has an above average automatic transmission, so it just may be able to do it. We won’t know until we try. Here’s the video mentioned above: th-cam.com/video/rWxzkY8_D3g/w-d-xo.html
Sierra Delta the regular RAV4 still has the old AWD system. Only the new RAV4 adventure and limited has the tv-AWD system. Still I bet the I-vtm4 in passport is better than that.
really irrelevant question, but does anyone know what rims are on the mitsubishi? Or the brand at least? They look great, I've been looking and I can't figure out what they may be
Hello, Jon! I am about to buy new SUV with 4WD, and I think that's gonna be Mitsubishi ASX (facelifted) or Eclipse Cross (maybe even Outlander). I would like to ask you are CVT equiped cars with 4WD good enough for light to medium off road? And second question, are NA engines more durable than downsized turbocharged ones? I would like to keep my car for as many years as possible. Best wishes from Germany!
Genosse Tito good question! Well, please google “how long does a CVT last?” The answer will be that the typically last about 100k miles or 161k km. It seems that the CVT’s in the Mitsubishi’s are a bit more capable than Subaru CVT’s but it’s also reported that they don’t last as long. I would avoid them if you could. About Turbo charged engines, yes, they are less reliable. I owned 3 of them back to back, and they’ve all major service (luckily covered under warranty). I’m not an expert, but this is common knowledge and I’ve observed these things to be true.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thank you very much for help! Mitsubishi is my favourite brand, but now I will definitely consider Toyota RAV4 with 2.0 liter NA engine, 6 speed manual trasmission and AWD, altough I am not convinced about AWD system in RAV4.
Genosse Tito CVT are bad for off-road because they run hot , I have own 2 CVT, 1 was sold at 100k miles no issues and currently own a 2015 Rogue FWD with 80,000 miles but I get ATF change at 35,000 miles and again at 70000 miles because I’m going to keep it until it breaks and it’s only $100 for transmission fluid change here
tavomallorca thanks! Tire size is 245/70R16 on the Outlander. He’s also lifted. With the tire lift and his strut spacer lift + raised springs he has 4 inches more ground clearance than stock.
I own a 2014 Mitsubishi Outlander GT, 3.0L V6. I bought this model because it did not have that stupid CVT transmission that everyone complained about. I can select committed gears in mine so I have the option of manual or auto transmission function. It's great for downhill and snow conditions. I don't know what year the model was in this video, but mine has 4 selections of what kind of traction I can use: Normal, AWD ECO, SNOW and 4-wheel drive. I really love my Outlander GT, but there are two things that drive me nuts. The visors are so flipping small and useless and the summer California sun is brutal and they do nothing. It's actually dangerous when I can't see a thing and have to use my hand to block out the sun. Second thing is the design of the Wheel Wells are more for looks than functionality, because there is no clearance and you cannot put snow chains or much larger tires on it. This is a deal breaker for me and when this Outlander mileages out, I won't buy another. I will go old school and buy either an older, well maintained Pathfinder, 4-Runner or Montero with manual transmission in mine. We go to the woods often, in winter and summer and I don't do serious wheelin' (my husband has a Suzuki Samurai he built from two of them himself, extending the wheel base and it has an air locker on it and 35" tires if we want to do serious things). But my Outlander is the general camping, backpacking, snowboarding, gold panning/metal detecting rig for comfort and also its ability to go places serious pavement queens can't or won't and it's roomy cargo area to load up with all kinds of crap is useful (hello Christmas Tree!) and I can sleep in the back as a 5'7" woman.
MS RR miserable?? We’re plowing through speed bumps at 35mph having no worries about our floors breaking. Confidence in durability baby. Nothing comes close to what we take in a beating😎
It’s the TR690HT, the same transmission in the Outback wilderness. Watch my latest video about Outback Wilderness TR690HT vs. Forester Wilderness TR580. The TR690HT fails the test.
Ryan Haines he tried man. The Outlander GT does not have a front limited slip like the EVO 10, it’s traction control. Many companies, including Subaru, will use the term “E-differential”. This is the same thing as traction control. The Mitsubishi EVO 10 has real front and rear electronically controlled twin clutch differentials. My Passport has a rear twin clutch diff (true LSD), but at a 3mph crawl, I wasn’t getting up either. It’s a 30-35 degree climb, any flatter and we would all make it up with ease.
Hello Jon! Great Content! Thanks for the Work on this Video! I have a little Qestion... From this Brands in this Video > Toyota Subaru Honda Mitsubishi > what have the best Durability and Quality? Current models i mean from the last 2 or 3 years... Maybe you have an Opinion. Regards from Germany!
Standheizungen Rehbein I always felt Toyota is #1 and Honda #2. But while you can be assured that a Toyota will stand the test of time, Honda has some questionable long term reliability issues, particularly with the 1.5 petrol turbo. Everything else is a toss up nowadays, except a toyota.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks for the Reply! Here in Germany we read some bad Reports about the Quality of Jeep Wranglers JL ... Same in US? Or send Chrysler-Fiat the second Choice to Europe :)...
Standheizungen Rehbein yes, that’s correct. They are reported to be low on long term reliability. But, one thing to think about is how the Jeep Wranglers are designed for rough terrain. A more reliable vehicle may become broken for driving them in terrain they weren’t designed for. I think the reason why Toyota’s are so popular globally is that you get the best of both worlds.
@@standheizungenrehbein4575 by that time, the All-new 4runner should be available. I'm pretty sure it will be more fuel efficient, making it a compelling choice as a vehicle built for adventure. Right now, the reason I wouldn't buy a 4runner is because they are using the same 4.0L V6 engine that they've been using since 2005 and it still has a 5 speed transmission. I'm sure updating to their 8 speed transmission would make the 4runner more fuel efficient. Also, I do not like the onroad handling, which is still similar to the 2008 FJ Cruiser I use to drive. It's my preference, but I wanted a Subaru with a little more capability and reliability, so I bought the Honda Passport.
James Tom that’s a good question, and I believe I have an answer for you. First of all, the Subaru has an aftermarket rear locking differential. Both his rear wheels will have equal power going up the sandy ruts. He’s the only one of us with a rear locker. On the concrete climb, the Subaru was running into a 6 inch shelf (you can call it a curb) while trying to climb a 30 degree hill. The steepness prevented the CVT from getting enough momentum and the engine stalls pretty quickly too. I have friends that have gone up this obstacle with older automatic Subaru’s, with use of momentum.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring it's so strange though, my 2012 forester with the last of the 4 speed auto does reasonably well, my friends 2009 does better, but more wheel spin, it's like the computer doesn't know what to do. And, the outlander in that bunch of cars you showed, also has a cvt, yet could do it, but not the sand, and I understand that was the torq locker at play there. I the think I'll get a wrangler next... Lol, then I'll have crap gas Mileage. Can't win
James Tom sorry for the late reply to this. I never got a notification. I’ve seen SH foresters, like the one you have, so pretty incredible stuff. Especially with the rear sway bar removed. You got a good Subie! I’d hold on to that thing! So the Mitsubishi Outlander GT in this video does not have a CVT. It has a 3.0 V6 and a 6 speed transmission with a 14:1 crawl ratio. Totally different beast. As far as the new Jeeps, they can get some decent MPG’s. Realistically, they can get 20 mpg highway. If you watch video about Mt Shasta Overlanding, a 2019 Jeep Wrangler sport with 37 x 12.5 inch “MUD Terrain tires” pulled 15 MPG’s doing 80-85 mph over a 625 mile trip from So Cal to Nor Cal. Just imagine what it’ll get with normal size all terrain tires. I really like the new Jeep JL’s. I’m sad I didn’t cross shop one. They’re a good fit for me.
Passport did great. I feel people overlook them because it’s basically a Honda Pilot with certain differences. But the AWD system is legit, in fact, it’s literally a SHAWD unit with slight software changes. I own a 2016 Pilot Elite. It’s an awesome SUV. The interiors, headlights, comfort, handling, engine, power output and overall driving experience are perfect for me. I love 4Runners, but the off-road capabilities aren’t enough for me to live with the rest of it. What are your favorite things about the Passport? Looking forward for more content man!
MS RR, WELL SAID! I knew there was a reason why I the 4Runner was not on my cross shopping list. The vehicles I considered was a Tacoma (too small), a JL Jeep (too expensive for the Rubicon), and the Passport (capable enough, while still getting decent MPG’s). What I didn’t know before test driving the Passport was how much of a freaking Rocket it is. I couldn’t believe a 3.5 V6 was propelling this thing. This was my first Honda and I learned that VTEC is legit. That right there is probably my most favorite thing about the Passport. Everything else about it is so well rounded. It’s comfortable, quiet, ITS AN AMAZING VALUE.
JonDZ Adventuring yep, it’s actually a 3 stage VTEC. And It’s the only J series engine with direct injection. It’s definitely my favorite part as well. I have a few videos in my page, the crossover is insane. Feel free to check it out.
Rick Funk I believe we all have hill assist (aids in holding the vehicle in place when the brake pedal is released until the gas pedal can be pressed). As far as hill descent. The Subaru has it, but I’m unsure about the 4Runner and Outlander GT. My Passport does not. Either the case, it’s safe to place the vehicle in 1st gear for as much engine braking as possible.
rr8299 Subaru has a legendary reputation as being the only crossover capable of traversing terrain like you saw in obstacle #1 (the cement shelf climb). They’ve been doing that since the late 1990’s (there are earlier Subaru’s like the Brat with a true 4wd system, but we won’t get into that). Watch my friend drive up it in his first gen Forester. th-cam.com/video/CqNX7eJCHis/w-d-xo.html So, Subaru owners have been asking for increased fuel economy and that’s the main reason why they switched to a CVT. It’s a trade off. While a modern Subaru may struggle with difficult terrain, it now gets a massive boost to fuel economy over the older 4 and 5 speed electronic automatic transmission while still being an excellent all weather vehicle. I think you may be surprised at where a CVT Subaru will take you. The camera does not do the justice on Obstacle #1. This incline is around 30 to 35 degree’s of inclination, it’s not easy to drive up a 6-8 inch shelf. This obstacle would be on the upper limits of a moderate trail, maybe even on the low end of difficult.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I used it last week at a rocky trail going down hill. It's basically A-Trac in reverse, keeps you crawling down hill around 2MPH. It became kinda annoying (constant ABS breaking) after a while but it's a great tool.
I don't have modes on my 07 Pilot, so I would approach these obstacles in 1st, traction control off, and vtm-4 locked. I would expect both rear wheels to spin on the hill climb. I have deleted my sway bars to increase articulation. I wish I could be part of this test so badly :)
Noelvis Lima that is correct, at-least in this video. At 0:44 it’s mentioned 😃. This comparison would be the equivalent of racing the 4Runner on a race track, haha!
I have been meaning to ask this. I see on all these modern off road videos verbal directions from spotters are given "driver" "passenger" instead of "left" "right" like I use and in rock crawl competition.
Christopher Moritz yeah, I guess it’s a thing that’s being done nowadays. In my earlier video’s I used left and right, but I got ridiculed. In this case, it was for good reason. Driver/passenger works great! Totally worth the 2 to 3 syllables.
The obvious reason is less miscommunication. You have a guy spotting you and he's straight ahead facing you and tells you to turn your wheel left so you turn it left. But he meant his left because he forgot he's supposed to give you your lefts and rights. Saying driver or passenger is the same direction for both the spotter and the driver so it's just less chance of miscommunication.
Thanks Esperango. I didn’t put the ads there. I use to only have an ad at the beginning and end of my videos but back in June or July youtube changed how they do ads and put ads in the middle of all my videos. I’m watch apt of TH-cam myself. It seems they will hit you with heavy ads in the beginning and then ease off on subsequent videos.
Marcelo Ascencio yep, that’s the new TH-cam. All 30 minute videos will have the same amount of ads now. My channel didn’t have midway ads before the change.
4-Runner is the only real 4x4 in this group. However the others are all competent AWD and would be great for daily drivers in inclement weather and back road type environments. Probably great road trip vehicles (where the 4-Runner would actually not be as good.)
Jason well said! This Passport is a great road trip vehicle. I’ve been meaning to create a video about the Passport road trip video, I just haven’t gotten around to it. Adaptive cruise control and lane assist is pretty awesome. Once above 45mph, there’s an option to turn on semi self driving mode. It smoothly helps steer the Passport. It makes the long drives so easy. I’ve even urinated in a bottle while driving from California is to Sedona, Arizona. I just let the Honda drive itself while I supervised. TMI right?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring We, by we I mean, some soldiers peed in Gatorade bottles while driving their military vehicles down the road. But they don't do that anymore. 😏
duhaibetahiks 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 true. I wonder how a rear mechanical LSD would operate in its glory days. Everyone has pretty much moved onto traction control systems.
@@teddynaicker2997 no ATrac but have Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs. Big mistake i made was getting TRD SPORT...next time will be TRD OFFROAD...I want the rear locker...no stupid hood scoop and maybe even crawl control.
***ATTENTION*** Please check out my other video (linked below) about the choice between an off-road oriented crossover and a dedicated body on frame off-roader (like the 4runner). I observe that the choice is between "On-road handling and efficiency vs. Off-road capability". One thing to keep in mind is that you must drive hours upon hours "ON-ROAD" to get to your destination only to drive anywhere from 5-10 miles on an established dirt trail to get to your remote campsite. Can a crossover make it? I think these ones can.
th-cam.com/video/Hlg41C-W9r4/w-d-xo.html
So basically the 4runner is King!!! 👍👊
If only Toyota would put a front locker and a diesel engine then it would be truly King of the off road!!! 👊👍
Steven Peterson someone was asking me what was the best vehicle to get out and adventure. He said his wife was interested in a 4 runner, and that’s a pretty solid choice, but This would be daily driven. Fuel would be almost twice as much in the 4 runner, so that’s a huge thing to consider. Also, I’ve driven 800 miles off-road so far. That’s a lot right? But I’ve driven 20.5k miles total, and that only accounts for 4% of my total miles. So the 4Runner won’t be for everyone, just like the Honda Passport won’t be for everyone. I use to drive a 2008 TRD FJ cruiser, which is very similar to the current 4Runner.
Steven Peterson the Jeep Wrangler JL is also a very capable machine and it gets a diesel next year. The all new Toyota trucks are also on the horizon, but we don’t know any details about them.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring
True, they are coming out with a diesel option, I know that the jeep wrangler will get 30+ mpg but if you honestly got the money just engine swap the tacoma or 4runner for a diesel engine and you will get 36+ mpg with reliability as well
Steven Peterson TFL has a video of a guy with a 2018 Tacoma 3.5v6 that did a 4cylindrer 3.0T diesel swap. I’m not sure if the truck was 32k total or if the swap cost 32k total. Haha
Honda needs to start paying attention on your videos and hopefully do some sponsorship program with you. Definitely, you are elevating their product's capabilities.
The number one king the 4 runner
General George S. Patton Jr. Ha! This time! Next test will be doing the quarter mile and racing on a track 😃
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thats when the 4runner will weigh down
@@shagmymonkey 4th gen with the supercharger, (especially the v8 ones, but v6 still holds its own) annihilate v8 camero's and mustang gt 500s on the strip. So, they are best power to weight ratio. Being that the new ones are 500 lbs heavier, and only come with the v6, they aren't as spunky.
Your videos are fun to watch. It's like off road revenge of the nerds. You get all techie and analytical. Hey, it's the spirit and about having fun. Plus it is interesting to see what crossovers can do with a lot of patience and a few mods. I saw a dude in a RAV4 on Cleghorn trail killing it and a Mazda CX5 on Mojave road just cruising along. I liked the Mojave road video, too. In the mean time, I will stick to my Taco TRD OR 4x4 as I travel alone sometimes. Keep having fun.
M JOHN ha! Revenge of the nerds and the Goonies were good childhood memories
Just purchased 2 Passports, one for me and one for the wife! Awesome vehicles!
I think its clear that even the 4Runner SR5 is no match for the Passport, Forester & Outlander even with those road worthy tires and I can clearly see the 4Runner driver reaching for A-Trac at @19:14 on test 3. He wasn't even using his A-Trac while he was going on Test 3. Atleast its a good thing for the 4Runner driver as its new to him to understand what A-Trac does. I sold my stock tires right after I bought the 4Runner and its night and day. Either way its fun to watch other vehicles even after mods trying to keep up with a lowest grade stock 4Runner SR5. Good stuff...
Lion Runner thanks for stopping by to leave a comment, I always enjoy your feedback. I believe you mean that the Passport, Forester and Outlander are "no match for the 4Runner offroad", and that is 100% true. Thanks for pointing out that he did not have A-trac on during the 3rd test. I'm unfamiliar with the system and I trust your observation. My goal with the Passport is to make it capable enough to get through many trails while still being a good daily driver (Here in Los Angeles, California parking is scarce, so owning two vehicles isn't an option for many of us).
@@JonDZ_Adventuring absolutely yes. 4runner is no match with other 3 on road. Especially on the mountain highways. Die hard 4runner fans may disagree but for me it lacks acceleration on mountain highways.
Though 4Runner wins with this group if a Jeep Wrangler joins a 4Runner is no match for the off-road capability of a Jeep Wrangler.
@@LionRunner only partially agree about the Jeep. Extreme rocky terrain I give Jeep the edge for sure but otherwise they're pretty even. I've seen too many 4runners pull jeeps out of bad situations. 4runner with front lockers would rule all but that's just wishful thinking.
David Wethington that’s true. The biggest thing I miss on the 4Runner is front solid axle. I’m not confident in installing a front locker on IFS though I haven’t even needed to use crawl control.
That disconnect sway bar is a great option too right? As for 4runner KDSS is the only option closer to that but definitely cannot compete with the sway bar disconnect.
As for comfort my buddy got the “rock crawler” kit (comes with falcon shocks as I can remember)for the Jeep and it’s damn awesome and better than my cheap OME shocks.. I feel jealous how easy the Jeep takes the trails while some places are butt crunchy for the 4runner.. LoL.
@Lion Runner and @David Wethington you guys bring up some really good points. Out here in California, many of the trails aren't very difficult. Even the Monache Meadows jeep trail can be driven into with a stock CVT Subaru (with very careful driving). One thing that I would prevent me from hitting the trails or driving 760 miles (round trip) to go snowboarding would be the cost of fuel. I use to drive a 2008 FJ cruiser TRD with the massive roof rack, and getting places seemed to cost almost twice as much as in my old Subaru or my new Passport. I know it will never happen, but I'd love to see a diesel options for 4runner. There's a rumored hybrid option, but that means it'll either need a CVT or independent electric motors at the rear, and if it's anything like the Rav4 or Lexus RX, I wouldn't be interested.
I know Subarus are great cars, but for this type of driving that CVT is no bueno.
Good work Jon. Unfortunately we did not do the 1st gear TC off. However, I admit CVT and subaru tuning will be struggled at this angle and rock climb. Most likely more momentum will get it yet at the potential expense of breaking something.
You could certainly make it with a hair more momentum. I have an identical Forester, except for the locker, and I've been able to reliably drive up steep grades, between 30-45 deg, with ruts at least as bad as the ones here. You don't need to drive fast, just have SOME momentum at more than a crawl, and I've found the CVT to do perfectly fine.
Dang Jon, you're really cranking these out! This was a really nicely put together set of tests, especially with that 4Runner in there setting the standard. The Torq Locker going up the rutted climb was very impressive...that's a game changer and I'm really starting to feel it's worth the trebuchet clicking. :-) Very enjoyable, detailed, and well-analyzed look at an assortment of obstacles.
softroadingthewest this was completely spontaneous, just like in my last video. I have a 16 hour notice and we got a group together. What perfect timing with the video about off-road crossovers vs. body on frame SUV’s and trucks.
I’d love to see your SH forester with the locker, it has lots of potential with the 4EAT.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I'd love to see that too! Maybe one day!
Great video! Glad I was introduced to you by SoftroadingtheWest! I had a 2014 Subaru Forester XT and had a few situations where I couldn't make it up an obstacle due to the CVT. I upgraded to a 2018 Nissan Frontier Pro-4X. Sure, I took a hit on the MPG, but I'm happier in every other area. Although, I must admit, that Forester XT was a blast to drive on pavement with that turbo engine!
Adam Polselli that’s awesome that you found me through Donald! We’ve supported each other ever since I got into car camping/overlanding. I consider him my very first social media friend, and it was nice to finally meet him in person a month ago.
Congrats on the new ride! I’m glad you are happy with it. To No more struggles!!! Cheers 🍻
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I enjoyed the video he posted of your initial meeting (I think it was at Edward Shin's meet-up). To no more struggles, sir! Cheers!
Toyota 4Runner and Honda Passports are so cool
Just need to upgrade the tires on the 4runner.
Kristian Neira I'm super impressed with what a stock 4runner with stock tires and A-trac was able to do. Comparing it to a 1999 land cruiser 100 series with BFG KO2's (no A-trac) the 4runner with soccer Mom tires did better. I'm blown away.
Great video! It was also a good demonstration of the A-trac system in the 4runner. Proud owner of a 2018 4runner SR5 premium here.
lavinesh naicker Open Diff’s? No problem! You have A-Trac! Man, it’s an awesome system.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring you encouraging me to try my a-trac..lol. Didn't get a chance yet, but one day I will, thank you!
lavinesh naicker thank Raffa! Haha! I’m glad he made it out and we got to see what the 4Runner can do.
lavinesh naicker you’ll get a kick out of this Instagram video clip, wait for the end:
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@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks!
It is criminal that Subaru went to CVT man, how many more of these videos need to come up for them to intro a normal transmission for a "trail package" of some sort.
66racer I plan to,buy another Subaru Forester myself my last one divided on me last year, I refuse to buy a new one with a CVT I prefer the four speed auto or the five speed manual. Sadly you can’t buy a XT of any year with a manual gearbox. So if I go the route of an XT I can get the four speed automatic. Of course this means buying a 3rd gen Forester.
Why is cvt so bad for off-roading. My first Subaru
@@rr8299 the stalling mainly but if you operate within it's limits nothing wrong with them and they are fine for most Subaru owners I'm sure. I would watch the video that JonDZ posted about the CVT trans so you know what I mean.
66racer excellent comment! @rr8299 that’s sound advice. When I had my 2015 Forester XT, I tried to push the limits (trying to hang with the older Subaru’s). Many people mount heavier tires, and strap 150 lbs of gear on top. Be careful about doing that. Not only will it decrease capability, but you’ll also negate the benefits Subaru intended for, which is increased fuel economy. Operate within the limits, that’s great advice! Also... if you want to go anywhere, Get a winch! There’s this guy with a FWD Honda Fit that has been going up difficult trails via “winching”. If the going gets rough, it’ll be invaluable!
Got a passport elite because of your videos. I probably won't do the offorading like you do, but ill definitely go camping with it. Definitely more comfortable than the 4runner and toyota is trying to sell them like they're gold.
Used truck market is crazy right now! For many car manufacturers, No new trucks will be sold until 2022, maybe even 2023.
6 days ago I conquered imogene pass going up the hard side. It was such an awesome time! I have an overview video up.
My wife has a CX-5 AWD and while I could get it to cool places there’s always a fair chance of breaking something. In the 4Runner I just go. I love that you guys are using them. Better than the mall crawler Jeep’s, for sure.
Nice video bro. Never knew Hungry Valley had these obstacles set up! Need to make it out there.
Another great video. I think its great you get out and use your vehicles. I have a Tacoma TRD off road, Ive been very impressed with what you can do. A lot of jeeps, 4runners, Tacos etc will never do some of the trails you’ve done, thanks for the videos, i look forward to more.
But which one does better in deep snow?
This video is awesome! Question though, I have a stock 2016 style outlander s-awc , is it pretty much useless with lifting since the clearance and over hang isn’t ideal?
I still don't know why there're only a few people watch all these. You're trying to bring that Honda toward epic off road, but did Honda encouraged you?
Interesting video. That was very informative. I bet you if you equip the 4runner with some KO2s if would probably kick ass even more.
Moninn Yem besides the 3rd test, the 4Runner did flawless, but as someone mentioned A-Trac wasn’t on, so it passed the tests with flying colors. That was expected though. The bad thing is the MPG’s and road handling. My modified passport still gets as high as 21-22 mpg at 80mph, but the 4Runner will do 15-16 at 80mph stock. So it’s a trade off and I hope all my testing can point people in the right direction on what vehicle to choose.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I have Tacoma and yes it pains me a little when I visit the pump, especially now with current middle east situation bringing gas prices up but I don't mind since I know can wheel at any moment I want or need to.
Nice edit haha! “ You’re probably wondering how I got here” vibes
I have a 2011 Mitsubishi Outlander SE with the locking dif and the I4 engine. Been wanting to get into off-roading and got new Falken wildpeak AT tires and thinking of adding a 1.5 lift all around. These videos help me believe that you can do it in almost any vechical and that makes me very excited
Does that Forester XT owner have a TH-cam channel? Or an IG or any other social media? I have the same model/year and would like to pick his brain regarding the torq locker!
Great Conte t. I like that you guys are putting these awd crossovers to the test. That 4 runner at the end of the first obstacle looks like it hit the transfer case skid plate.
Hey Jon. I've been enjoying your videos for a while. I bought a Honda Passport and love it so far. I have 2 questions...1, How many miles do you have on your Passport and 2, have you had any transmission issues or better yet, how is it holding up for you? Lastly...any problems with your Passport? You're making a new path for all of us "Crossover" enthusiasts! Thanks so much for what you do!!
Ram14250 thanks! I appreciate all the comments you have left! So, I’ve had my Passport for 11 months now and I have 27k miles on it. **Bonus Info** I’ve had it lifted at 8k miles, so it’s 19k miles with the lift. I have not had any transmission issues. I also do not have a transmission cooler. With the 2nd gen ZF9, I don’t expect any overheating. I actually bought a scan gauge 2 to monitor my transmission temp ($130). The highest temps I have seen going up steep prolonged climbs is 208 Fahrenheit. Well within normal limits.
Congrats on the Passport.
JonDZ Adventuring
I thought all AWD had Transmission cooler with the 9spd Pilot/PP except the 6spd
@@reyperez3424 No. Only if you had the towing / hitch package.
@ray Perez and @Ram14250 I don’t plan on installing a transmission cooler anymore. I have a scan gauge 2 and monitor my transmission temps. The highest temp I saw has been 209 Fahrenheit. Yesterday I was driving up steep and fairly loose terrain and my friend with an Acura MDX with the Honda 6speed was getting overheating warnings. I was only at 199 Fahrenheit.
So, so far you feel the ZF-9 speed is worthy of a Honda?
The Transmission is the Factor in climbing and 4-cylinder or 6-cylinder engine. This short comment is before I watch the video. Yep, this is hardcore Climbing and off-road. CVT is not built for this. CVT is built for fuel efficiency but not for Climbing.
It is really not. And using oversize tires reduces the available torque, reducing the vehicle's capabilities in that regard even more. Looks like they all had plenty fun anyway. ;-)
@@hmpeter The Big point is that they have fun and enjoy life that is what life all about. But some Reviews are so bias for the products that got paid for.
4runner all the way!!
Disappointed in the Subaru, CVTs with a good AWD is a no no
SR5 doesn't have diff lockers from the factory. The TRD trims come with only a rear locker, not a front locker.
Great video! A lot of sensitive people in the comments section lol. The inconvenient truth is most people don't need/use nearly as much off-road capability as they think. Same way no one really needs/uses the racing tech in sports car with 400+ HP for driving on public roads. It's just a flex to project an image.
Can’t believe you guys did Pronghorn. 😱 Well done. I’ve always heard really great things about the Toyota’s A-trac system. I believe even the 4th gen had it there just wasn’t a button to turn it off. I wonder what crossover has the best crawl ratio maybe one of the jeeps?
Steve Priest thanks! Next time, we will try to drive up? 😱😱😱
These videos you do are awesome for a perspective buyer. I’m in the market for something and you are certainly steering me in a certain direction. I’ve owned a Toyota forerunner 1997 in the past and I can tell you that although it was an amazing truck it also came with some reliability issues. And it was pristine when I bought it from the first owner. I’ve also owned a Subaru and sold it back To the dealership after a couple of years due to a class action lawsuit so my trust in Subaru is not there anymore and I hate CVT transmissions. I am stuck at this point between the new Kia telluride and a Honda product. 99% of the time it will be driven on the roads and highways and every once in a great while perhaps off the beaten path but nothing extreme. Subscribed
CVT and offroad is a Nono, the new Landcruiser 300 is rumoured to come with a CVT, really hope not.
It's not CVT, thank god haha
I just find out about your channel yesterday... I subscribed immediately .... keep the good work
omar elwaily thank you 🙏 for the kind words and support!
Don't know what you are talking about - both of my 4Runners (2004 and 2018) behave perfectly on- AND off-road. I just drove the 2018 4,500 mi round trip. I know. Granted, my 2021 RAV4 Hybrid is even better on road.
4runner is hands down best all around though. And still #1 out of ALL non luxury mid sized Suvs in reliability. 60% still on road today, with well over 250k original miles on them.
MyCrippledWings the 4 runner desperately needs *to be* brought up to modern times. A Jeep Wrangler handles better, is more capable, and more efficient. The only thing that’s questionable is long term reliability. Thanks for your opinion, but the 4 runner is on the same platform as the 2008 FJ cruiser I use to drive, and that only point to driving that vehicle was for its off-road prowess. Just keeping it real.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I have an 07 sr5, and would pick it over any shitty jeep any day. Better on road, more cargo space, guaranteed to get me home. The wrangler is good at only one thing, the 4runner at many.
As for design, why fix what isn't broke? Keep being called a dinosaur, because it's not all techy inside. When less stuff to break or fail, better it is for the owner.
Who the fuck needs lane assist, auto cruise control, all that stuff that makes retarded drivers, in an off road setting anyway?
Also, wrangler hasn't changed much itself either, but it's a Jeep, so the cults behind it seem to forgive it for being the same damn vehicle since inception. Aside from shittier overall quality over the years, and powertrian changes.
Before my 07 4runner, I was looking at some jeeps actually, came across a 2015 Jeep Cherokee/grand Cherokee. Didn't even test drive them. One look, and I practically threw up. Couldn't pay me to drive a jeep, let alone sit in one.
Plus, wrangler gets horrible fuel economy, can't tow for shit, they aren't all that great actually. But I suppose some people love being in the shops, more than on the road/off it. And like it up the ass, from their local Jeep/Dodge dealer.
Jeep owners are like vegans, how you know someone is a Jeep owner? They'll tell ya. 😂
@@JonDZ_Adventuring the only wrangler that beats a base 4x4 4runner off road is the Rubicon wrangler. Toyota has best 4x4 system in the world. Wrangler just Can go a little farther because of the solid front axle, and smaller size. But all around functionality, can't match the 4runner really.
At least I'm pretty much guaranteed, 250k+ problem free miles, as long as its cared for that is.
Plus the v8 (though mine is a v6 model) that was offered for the 4th gens (03-09) is said to be best v8 ever made. With quite a few 1 MIL mile examples.
Also, Lexus GX460/470 are pretty much luxury versions of 4runners, just as capable off road. All jeep has now is the wrangler, everything else is a glorified crossover, and shadows of what they once were. Aside from being the shittiest brand America sells.
My 2wd is more capable off road, than a trailhawk is. 😂
Not that I need 4x4. It's more than capable for my needs. And can always be built to prerun. Something wranglers/jeep in general were NEVER good at.
Most versatile mid sized SUV. All wrangler has is cheap parts from its fallen brethren, and off road ability. It pales in comparison everywhere else.
We don't buy them for the tech, but for the literally unmatched reliability and minimal maintanence needs. Plus, they have no problem selling like hotcakes, retain value far stronger for longer. Can haul your family, and pets, wherever you please, in comfort.
Wrangler and 4runner are in classes all by themselves, no equals today. Also not direct competition either.
And lastly, the 4runner is WORTH what it cost to buy, jeeps are not.
MyCrippledWings cool story. It’s guess you’re 2007 4 runner will be forever better than anything else. Congratulations.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring 4runners in general are America's most reliable vehicle, not just suvs. People like what they like. Just, I was done with all the bullshit failures that Ford puts into the 05 f150 I once had, from FACTORY. never in my life had I had a vehicle with so many issues. Went straight to auction with only 45k on it.
I did extensive research. And although America is good at multiple things. Building reliable vehicles, worth the cost to buy and own, is sadly not one of them.
It's better than any crossover, can vouch that much. Lol, has a 5k tow rating, which isn't bad for an NA v6 mid sized SUV, it's pretty quick for its size. (0-60 in 7 secs), and the v8 models with the supercharger can smoke the fuck out of a mustang gt500 on the strip, without sacrificing off road ability.
A jeep will get you places. But a 4runner will get you there, AND back! less money on bullshit failures and repairs, more on mods and adventures. What's not to like really?
Also, on r/4runner. Many once wrangler/jeep, and Subaru sti/wrx/forester etc owners, traded them in for a 4runner. And every single one said, they have zero regrets, and like myself, wish they done so much sooner.
Had I been aware prior. I would of bought this shit new. Still have it today. But was former Nissan lover that was before they started putting out piles of shit. Between the pathfinder, and this. The 4runner beats it out in area's that matter. Does it have all the bells and whistles that newer vehicles have? No. Does it have issues because of all the flash and dash they cram into all the newer vehicles today? Also no.
They of course aren't the best, but they are pretty damn close. Lol.
Such great content Bro, informative and entertaining. Everytime I watch your videos they only make me want to buy a new Honda Passport even more. Greetings from El Paso, TX/Juárez, México🙋🏻♂️
I like the look of the Honda passport outside/ inside but like the 4Runner everything else...
The twin disk really likes constant and delibrate throttle. Once it starts working just stay in it and keep moving with slow throttle inputs to keep momentum
As an 03 outback 5 speed center and rear LSD owner, this is infuriating. Not at the driver, but the CVT.
Jesse when I had my 2015 Forester XT, I was pretty sad all the other 4EAT Forester 2.5’s were more capable than me. It was actually the older Foresters that inspired my purchase of the Honda Passport.
Jesse BUT.... the rear locker greatly improves capability, and it’s one way CVT Subaru’s can close the gap.
Another reason I think your passport was a great buy
Please test a 2019-2020 Subaru Forester Sport or higher model with the updated x-mode.
Come out with us in equipped vehicle. We almost had a friend in outback xt but he did not have skid, at tires and lift. Hopefully when he is ready
Fit Fat Boyz id love to. I have a feeling the Subaru’s with the TR580 (these are the CVT’s in the bass mode engines) should do better due to a better transmission stall. Combined with dual Xmode, it just may get up the first test.
@daklakfoto I believe Liana got up this obstacle with her Outback 2.5. I may be wrong, and if she did, I wouldn’t know how much momentum.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I would not doubt with more momentum and TC off it will make it. However, I love to go slow now. *hint* to what come next. Lol
Damn that’s just the sr5 4runner too. If you lift it and put some better tires on there that thing will kick ass even though it’s an based model sr5.
Andy Ham very true! I am Impressed! It is the just a little more expensive than my Passport EX-L AWD which is $37K. I know Honda’s intent was to slot the passport under the 4Runner and Jeep Grand Cherokee as far as offroad capability, so I think this test kinda proves that... sort of... since I wouldn’t recommend a stock Passport to attempt these obstacles, let alone a black diamond trail. Where the 4Runner kicks ass off-road, the Passport kicks ass on road. So it’s nice to show how some crossovers are capable of doing these things.
The 4 runner would run circles around these other rigs. That's a no brainer.
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@@JonDZ_Adventuring I'd go up against all of them in my sr5. Money on it.
Jeremy V are you talking off-road or on-road? Because I said the 4 runner will do the best off-road and it would do the worst on-road.
Awesome job comparing them.
D. Alex Oprea thanks Alex! How’s the car shopping going?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring 😀 I think I settled on Genesis G70. Pretty much the same thing, but slightly shorter.
D. Alex Oprea well.... probably a good choice. It is Motortrends car of the year after all, haha!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring More reasons to get one then hahahahaha. I am still tortured by the Passport idea.
What was that noise coming from the forester?
Hey I just bought a 2019 Passport Sport after watching some of your videos. I am totally into the whole be comfy on the road but capable off the road too.
Question.... did you remove the front air dam? Does it look OEM/clean if you do?
What offset do you recommend for a rim and fitting a bigger tire on it?
ibdustin15 I removed the mud guards and front chin spoiler. I also cut my front bumper corner overhangs. You can be the judge if my passport looks OEM or not.
As far as wheel offset, I’d recommend not going too extreme unless you know what you’re doing.
I laughed so much watching this - thank you for the video. Made me appreciate my vehicle more.
I just got a passport trailsport. I need to take it off-road. Light off road
what transmission did the outlander have? wasn't it CVT too?
The Outlander GT has a 3.0 V6 and a 6 speed automatic transmission.
Hey Jon! How did you lift your Passport. Is it a custom lift kit?
I cant find any kits for my 2012 Sorento so I am summing up ideas what to do?
For now Im thinking of putting 2inch thick metal plates and use the orignal suspension parts but Im still not sure.
Cheers!
Hello 👋 Umbra says ! Look to Russia (on EBay). They love KIA’s out there. I think I sourced a lift kit for someone using EBay.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring will do! Thanks.
Id love someone with the new outback 2.4xt have a go at the first test again. its ment to have a High torque CVT now
All the premium engine CVT Subaru’s have the high torque version of the First gen lineartronic CVT designated TR690. Since 2014, the TR690HT has been in the premium engines. However, in 2018 Subaru made some improvements. They revised the chain belt. They continually improve the parts, I think it’s just the design. A CVT uses two cones and a chain (or chain belt in Subaru’s case). A traditional automatic uses gears. Only one of these two transmissions can actually lock up. However, There may be some hope with Xmode 2.0, since it allows wheel slip.
That doesn’t mean a Subaru can’t compete test 1. Check out this Instagram clip. This 1st gen a Subaru Forester with a 4EAT transmission was able to make it.
instagram.com/p/B7QO2wcphnX/?igshid=1k7uhitvtl6uv
you’re so on point on subarus CVT problems when it comes to off roading. basically the computer inside subaru prevents the engine to rev up to minimize the heating issue with transmission even with the oil coolant equipped. ever since subarus went CVT all their cars transmissions went garbage. old subarus uses traditional automatic and will kick ass any new subaru when it comes to AWD. good video man. keep it up!
what tires were used and would off road tires be more practical for these applications?
Zackery McPherson everyone had offroad tires except for the Toyota 4Runner. It didn’t need em to rock these tests. My Honda Passport has the least aggressive All-terrain tires. I plan to go with some Toyo Open Country AT3’s next.
Did you try and different drive modes on the rutted hill climb? Or do you just default to sand mode in these situations?
Kevin Sullivan good question! So, I only used sand mode during the 2nd climb. I think sand mode is the superior mode when using momentum, but if you crawl in normal mode below 1600 rpms, the system may take better advantage of traction control. Actually! The reason that sand mode might not work for me for crawling is because the throttle inputs become much more sensitive, so trying to keep the gas below 1600 is difficult.
I have a feeling that if I was doing 10 mph up these ruts in sand mode, it wouldn’t be a problem at all. I’ll have to do more testing, I actually recently found out about the 1200-1600 sweet spot of braked based traction control. Combined with the twin clutch rear differential, it’s seems to be pretty capable. It’s no true locker though.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Interesting about the 1200-1600 rpm sweet spot for brake-based traction control. Why would they limit it's function to this range (where torque is lower)? Perhaps for highway cruising in wet conditions or something? I always wondered how much the brakes assist, after seeing multiple videos (yours, Car Question diagonal, Driving Sports TV) where a PP's wheel in the air spins a lot and doesn't seem to "pulse" the brakes the way a Subaru or even the 4Runner does when teetering on 2 or 3 wheels. Would be interested to see if normal mode crawls better on that climb, with torque vectoring and TC on, although it seems in the past you've pretty much proved Sand mode works best in most off-road conditions. Also just saw a Volvo Cross Country failed Driving Sports TV's cross cut climb, so the Passport remains the only AWD vehicle (and only vehicle without locking difs) to make it up that hill so far. Maybe Honda felt that ivtm-4 was capable enough to not require too much brake assistance?
Kevin Sullivan i think the brake based traction control system is there to help crawl situations. The wheels spin in the Passport because the twin clutch rear differential is doing most of the power transfer. The spinning wheel is getting very minimal wheel torque. A lot of people will confuse that with being less capable, but when the Passport magically gets up an obstacle, they’re dumbfounded. LOL.
At the 3:50 minute mark: Is that a man made track on the hill climb? And did you "air down" your tires beforehand?
Final obstacle, looked like the 4runner was in 4high. Also, does that model 4runner have Hill Descent control? Next time opt for the "Offroad" model. It has a factory rear locker.
wcjeep I have no idea, haha! That last hill is steeper than it looks on camera, so I’m sure he was in 4 Low, but as someone mentioned in a previous post, he probably didn’t have A-Trac on. The comment right below says he has hill descent control, but either the case, descending in 4 low 1st gear is always a safe idea where his 32:1 ratio will help. The Honda is at a 20:1 ratio, and I could only imagine how scary this would be without engine braking. It would be just dead weight falling straight down. The TRD off-road is a compelling choice indeed!
None of these places needed a locker lmfao
@@ItzzTesta agree the highlighted locations were fine for open diff. It's better to have a selectable locker on standby and not need it. The 4runner off-road has an electronic select locker with manual transfer case. Most electronic transfer cases should be routinely exercised to prevent the solenoid from freezing in place.
Testa the crossovers could use them. They lack articulation.
@@JonDZ_Adventuringknowing that you have seen at least some of Hondapilotoverland's videos, u know you have seen there are ways to improve the articulation of the Honda offerings it's just a nuisance to have the extra step before and after offroading.
Excelent Video Man, I own an Outlander and looking forward to getting some ground clearance, do you know by chance what tires is this truck running in that video? and thanks in advance
When is the next hungry valley trip!
Adrian Iniguez, I’m not sure. This trip was totally spontaneous, but I did post it up on Instagram and added a story.
Adrian Iniguez I’ll be heading up to Johnson valley with the MtnRoo crew this weekend. Follow @mtnroo_events for the info.
It’s cute watching these cute-utes do this. I’ll give ‘em an ‘A’ for effort. But no doubt it’s a bit comical watching this. In EXTREMELY lite trails and city snow, they “rock”, lol.
Grocery Grip haha! You must be Australian. I know you guys even consider the 4 runner a cute little light off-roader. Here in the USA the 4 runner is considered to be one of the most capable off-road vehicles, which I can understand you find funny. Haha! I watch a lot of Ronny Dahl, so I’m familiar with what you guys think of our vehicles.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring haha I was thinking to myself, most Aussies and kiwis don't even think the 4runners are that capable but truth be told, the diesel varients we have here are pretty solid machines
@@JonDZ_Adventuring , born and raised in Florida, live in Atlanta. 4 runner isn't the cutey pie of the group. I saw it as the benchmark for which the cuties were being measured. So my undivided attn wasn't on the 4runner, so much the fun the rest of you guys were having. FYI, i have a cute ute crush on the Ridgeline btw, that'll be our lil secret ;-)
Love that the Mitsubishi CVT is far better than most others and can handle off-road abuse, and the S-AWC system is awesome as well. I own a 2005 Mitsubishi Montero Limited and that thing is a tank and goes pretty much anywhere with only traction control and no lockers (IMO, only Land Rover has a better traction control system for pure off-roading). What type of lift was used for the Outlander-I may have to get my Montero a little brother!😂
Sonny Mercado the Outlander GT in this video actually has a 6 speed automatic. BUT, you are correct, the Jatco CVT’s that is in the Mitsubishi’s are a bit more capable with their 17:1 crawl ratio (compared to 12-14:1 in CVT Subaru’s). I saw an Instagram post of an Eclipse Cross drive “UP” the Pronghorn trail (which is a black diamond “difficult” trail). He sent it up really hard, and I have no idea if his suspension survived, but he got up!
Was very surprised that Subaru didn't make it. Got 13'Foz 2.0 atmo with x-mod and i run uphills and downhills very easily and adequate
It’s a very difficult obstacle for AWDs.
I love Honda’s, but I think for the money I’d go 4runner. I don’t drive a ton so mpg is not that much of a motivating factor.
Nathan Powers that makes perfect sense! If I didn’t live in the city (particularly Los Angeles, which has the worst traffic in America) then I’d probably go with something else. I’m thinking I’ll shoot for a 3/4 ton truck with a slid in camper as my next adventure mobile 😃.
I had a 2014 XT and went through 3 CVT transmissions before I traded it in for a 2016 Tiguan SEL. NOw I drive a 2019 GTI which is getting small and looking to get a 2022 Passport Trailsport. Small world indeed
I wish it was the new rav4 instead of the 4runner for the comparison but still fun to watch
Same, I haven't found a single video showcasing the 5th gen RAV4 tackling this kind of terrain on TH-cam yet, despite it being more than capable of doing so.
@Jeremiah Malicsi and @sierra delta the TH-cam channel Driving sports TV has some good videos on the 2019 Rav4. I’m in contact with an owner of a 2019 RAV4 so hopefully one day I’ll test it. I think it has a good chance of making it up some of the tests, but please keep in mind that this video has V6 and turbocharged crossovers with full time AWD systems. The Rav4 has an above average automatic transmission, so it just may be able to do it. We won’t know until we try.
Here’s the video mentioned above:
th-cam.com/video/rWxzkY8_D3g/w-d-xo.html
Sierra Delta the regular RAV4 still has the old AWD system. Only the new RAV4 adventure and limited has the tv-AWD system. Still I bet the I-vtm4 in passport is better than that.
really irrelevant question, but does anyone know what rims are on the mitsubishi? Or the brand at least? They look great, I've been looking and I can't figure out what they may be
sam files I forwarded your question to Mario aka @revving9k on Instagram.
sam files here’s the info:
Mst time attack 16x8 +20 in bronze 5x114 also available in silver and matte black 😉
@@JonDZ_Adventuring wow, thank you so much, and for a quick reply! I'll hop over to his insta as well, thank you!!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thank you so much
Hello, Jon! I am about to buy new SUV with 4WD, and I think that's gonna be Mitsubishi ASX (facelifted) or Eclipse Cross (maybe even Outlander). I would like to ask you are CVT equiped cars with 4WD good enough for light to medium off road? And second question, are NA engines more durable than downsized turbocharged ones? I would like to keep my car for as many years as possible. Best wishes from Germany!
Genosse Tito good question! Well, please google “how long does a CVT last?” The answer will be that the typically last about 100k miles or 161k km. It seems that the CVT’s in the Mitsubishi’s are a bit more capable than Subaru CVT’s but it’s also reported that they don’t last as long. I would avoid them if you could. About Turbo charged engines, yes, they are less reliable. I owned 3 of them back to back, and they’ve all major service (luckily covered under warranty). I’m not an expert, but this is common knowledge and I’ve observed these things to be true.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring
Thank you very much for help! Mitsubishi is my favourite brand, but now I will definitely consider Toyota RAV4 with 2.0 liter NA engine, 6 speed manual trasmission and AWD, altough I am not convinced about AWD system in RAV4.
@@genossetito6503 I think the RAV4 AWD is a joke!
Genosse Tito
CVT are bad for off-road because they run hot , I have own 2 CVT, 1 was sold at 100k miles no issues and currently own a 2015 Rogue FWD with 80,000 miles but I get ATF change at 35,000 miles and again at 70000 miles because I’m going to keep it until it breaks and it’s only $100 for transmission fluid change here
Hi
Do you know the tire size of the outlander?
Good vídeo!!
Thank you
tavomallorca thanks! Tire size is 245/70R16 on the Outlander. He’s also lifted. With the tire lift and his strut spacer lift + raised springs he has 4 inches more ground clearance than stock.
Any idea where he got the springs from?
Tia
I own a 2014 Mitsubishi Outlander GT, 3.0L V6. I bought this model because it did not have that stupid CVT transmission that everyone complained about. I can select committed gears in mine so I have the option of manual or auto transmission function. It's great for downhill and snow conditions. I don't know what year the model was in this video, but mine has 4 selections of what kind of traction I can use: Normal, AWD ECO, SNOW and 4-wheel drive. I really love my Outlander GT, but there are two things that drive me nuts. The visors are so flipping small and useless and the summer California sun is brutal and they do nothing. It's actually dangerous when I can't see a thing and have to use my hand to block out the sun. Second thing is the design of the Wheel Wells are more for looks than functionality, because there is no clearance and you cannot put snow chains or much larger tires on it. This is a deal breaker for me and when this Outlander mileages out, I won't buy another. I will go old school and buy either an older, well maintained Pathfinder, 4-Runner or Montero with manual transmission in mine. We go to the woods often, in winter and summer and I don't do serious wheelin' (my husband has a Suzuki Samurai he built from two of them himself, extending the wheel base and it has an air locker on it and 35" tires if we want to do serious things). But my Outlander is the general camping, backpacking, snowboarding, gold panning/metal detecting rig for comfort and also its ability to go places serious pavement queens can't or won't and it's roomy cargo area to load up with all kinds of crap is useful (hello Christmas Tree!) and I can sleep in the back as a 5'7" woman.
Thanks for sharing! One thing that helps me with the sun are rain guards. They also allow me to crack the window down when it’s raining.
4runner ftw. The rest are just soccer mom crossover.
Ha, Toyota fanboys are the best at being the worst, thanks, I enjoy the stereotype.
Nou Long Moua enjoy your dinosaur. Should be awesome to be miserable 99% of the time when you’re not off-roading lol.
MS RR miserable?? We’re plowing through speed bumps at 35mph having no worries about our floors breaking. Confidence in durability baby. Nothing comes close to what we take in a beating😎
That1 Guy handling sucks, crash ratings suck, it’s slow and bulky. So yeah, not exactly a fun SUV to daily lol.
What engine does Subaru have? CVT TR580? Have you tried everything, Xmod, enabled, disabled VDC? Have you tried manual CVT in first gear?
It’s the TR690HT, the same transmission in the Outback wilderness. Watch my latest video about Outback Wilderness TR690HT vs. Forester Wilderness TR580. The TR690HT fails the test.
This test in this video is much harder
4runner is the winner 🏆👏 in my opinion.
That outlander would make it..hold gas down for up to 15 seconds ..it has a front limited slip diff bro
Ryan Haines he tried man. The Outlander GT does not have a front limited slip like the EVO 10, it’s traction control. Many companies, including Subaru, will use the term “E-differential”. This is the same thing as traction control. The Mitsubishi EVO 10 has real front and rear electronically controlled twin clutch differentials. My Passport has a rear twin clutch diff (true LSD), but at a 3mph crawl, I wasn’t getting up either. It’s a 30-35 degree climb, any flatter and we would all make it up with ease.
Hello Jon! Great Content! Thanks for the Work on this Video! I have a little Qestion... From this Brands in this Video > Toyota Subaru Honda Mitsubishi > what have the best Durability and Quality?
Current models i mean from the last 2 or 3 years... Maybe you have an Opinion. Regards from Germany!
Standheizungen Rehbein I always felt Toyota is #1 and Honda #2. But while you can be assured that a Toyota will stand the test of time, Honda has some questionable long term reliability issues, particularly with the 1.5 petrol turbo. Everything else is a toss up nowadays, except a toyota.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks for the Reply! Here in Germany we read some bad Reports about the Quality of Jeep Wranglers JL ... Same in US? Or send Chrysler-Fiat the second Choice to Europe :)...
Standheizungen Rehbein yes, that’s correct. They are reported to be low on long term reliability. But, one thing to think about is how the Jeep Wranglers are designed for rough terrain. A more reliable vehicle may become broken for driving them in terrain they weren’t designed for. I think the reason why Toyota’s are so popular globally is that you get the best of both worlds.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Think my next Vehicle would be a Toyota... The 4Runner Performance in your Video flashes me... :)
@@standheizungenrehbein4575 by that time, the All-new 4runner should be available. I'm pretty sure it will be more fuel efficient, making it a compelling choice as a vehicle built for adventure. Right now, the reason I wouldn't buy a 4runner is because they are using the same 4.0L V6 engine that they've been using since 2005 and it still has a 5 speed transmission. I'm sure updating to their 8 speed transmission would make the 4runner more fuel efficient. Also, I do not like the onroad handling, which is still similar to the 2008 FJ Cruiser I use to drive. It's my preference, but I wanted a Subaru with a little more capability and reliability, so I bought the Honda Passport.
Holy crap Pronghorn Trail on compact SUV's!!
Christopher Moritz that’s right! This was a scary moment for me.
so what the hell Subaru ? why the sand was doable and the concrete wasnt? Same angle ?
James Tom that’s a good question, and I believe I have an answer for you. First of all, the Subaru has an aftermarket rear locking differential. Both his rear wheels will have equal power going up the sandy ruts. He’s the only one of us with a rear locker. On the concrete climb, the Subaru was running into a 6 inch shelf (you can call it a curb) while trying to climb a 30 degree hill. The steepness prevented the CVT from getting enough momentum and the engine stalls pretty quickly too. I have friends that have gone up this obstacle with older automatic Subaru’s, with use of momentum.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring it's so strange though, my 2012 forester with the last of the 4 speed auto does reasonably well, my friends 2009 does better, but more wheel spin, it's like the computer doesn't know what to do. And, the outlander in that bunch of cars you showed, also has a cvt, yet could do it, but not the sand, and I understand that was the torq locker at play there. I the think I'll get a wrangler next... Lol, then I'll have crap gas Mileage. Can't win
James Tom sorry for the late reply to this. I never got a notification. I’ve seen SH foresters, like the one you have, so pretty incredible stuff. Especially with the rear sway bar removed. You got a good Subie! I’d hold on to that thing!
So the Mitsubishi Outlander GT in this video does not have a CVT. It has a 3.0 V6 and a 6 speed transmission with a 14:1 crawl ratio. Totally different beast.
As far as the new Jeeps, they can get some decent MPG’s. Realistically, they can get 20 mpg highway. If you watch video about Mt Shasta Overlanding, a 2019 Jeep Wrangler sport with 37 x 12.5 inch “MUD Terrain tires” pulled 15 MPG’s doing 80-85 mph over a 625 mile trip from So Cal to Nor Cal. Just imagine what it’ll get with normal size all terrain tires. I really like the new Jeep JL’s. I’m sad I didn’t cross shop one. They’re a good fit for me.
What is the ground clearance on all of the SUVs.
9.4ish on 4runner, 8.2ish passport. No idea the rest, probably between 7.5-8.5. Inches
Passport did great. I feel people overlook them because it’s basically a Honda Pilot with certain differences. But the AWD system is legit, in fact, it’s literally a SHAWD unit with slight software changes.
I own a 2016 Pilot Elite. It’s an awesome SUV. The interiors, headlights, comfort, handling, engine, power output and overall driving experience are perfect for me. I love 4Runners, but the off-road capabilities aren’t enough for me to live with the rest of it.
What are your favorite things about the Passport? Looking forward for more content man!
MS RR, WELL SAID! I knew there was a reason why I the 4Runner was not on my cross shopping list. The vehicles I considered was a Tacoma (too small), a JL Jeep (too expensive for the Rubicon), and the Passport (capable enough, while still getting decent MPG’s). What I didn’t know before test driving the Passport was how much of a freaking Rocket it is. I couldn’t believe a 3.5 V6 was propelling this thing. This was my first Honda and I learned that VTEC is legit. That right there is probably my most favorite thing about the Passport. Everything else about it is so well rounded. It’s comfortable, quiet, ITS AN AMAZING VALUE.
JonDZ Adventuring yep, it’s actually a 3 stage VTEC. And It’s the only J series engine with direct injection.
It’s definitely my favorite part as well. I have a few videos in my page, the crossover is insane. Feel free to check it out.
Do any of those vehicles have "hill assist"?
Rick Funk I believe we all have hill assist (aids in holding the vehicle in place when the brake pedal is released until the gas pedal can be pressed).
As far as hill descent. The Subaru has it, but I’m unsure about the 4Runner and Outlander GT. My Passport does not. Either the case, it’s safe to place the vehicle in 1st gear for as much engine braking as possible.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks, I did mean "Hill Descent"
Toyota does not have a rear locker in that model...
In that trim I should say.
“The passenger “ 😂😂
I don’t get it. I thought Subaru was supposed to go up anything
rr8299 Subaru has a legendary reputation as being the only crossover capable of traversing terrain like you saw in obstacle #1 (the cement shelf climb). They’ve been doing that since the late 1990’s (there are earlier Subaru’s like the Brat with a true 4wd system, but we won’t get into that). Watch my friend drive up it in his first gen Forester.
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So, Subaru owners have been asking for increased fuel economy and that’s the main reason why they switched to a CVT. It’s a trade off. While a modern Subaru may struggle with difficult terrain, it now gets a massive boost to fuel economy over the older 4 and 5 speed electronic automatic transmission while still being an excellent all weather vehicle. I think you may be surprised at where a CVT Subaru will take you. The camera does not do the justice on Obstacle #1. This incline is around 30 to 35 degree’s of inclination, it’s not easy to drive up a 6-8 inch shelf. This obstacle would be on the upper limits of a moderate trail, maybe even on the low end of difficult.
Idk, I quite enjoy my 4runner Venture Editions on road behavior, my comparison is coming from full size trucks
The 4runner could have used it's DAC going down that hill.
FullMetalChicken thanks for the info. Raffa is new to the his 2019 4Runner and he’s still learning all its features, but I’ll pass this along!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I used it last week at a rocky trail going down hill. It's basically A-Trac in reverse, keeps you crawling down hill around 2MPH. It became kinda annoying (constant ABS breaking) after a while but it's a great tool.
It’s a sr5 not an off road. All those goodies only comes in on the OR trims.
@@RunninOnadventure SR5 has DAC. It's next to A-Trac.
FullMetalChicken That is true. Forgot the sr5 in this is 4wd.
I don't have modes on my 07 Pilot, so I would approach these obstacles in 1st, traction control off, and vtm-4 locked. I would expect both rear wheels to spin on the hill climb. I have deleted my sway bars to increase articulation. I wish I could be part of this test so badly :)
Need a better spotter
The only true off road is the 4runner.
Noelvis Lima that is correct, at-least in this video. At 0:44 it’s mentioned 😃. This comparison would be the equivalent of racing the 4Runner on a race track, haha!
i love the video
4runner rulez
I have been meaning to ask this. I see on all these modern off road videos verbal directions from spotters are given "driver" "passenger" instead of "left" "right" like I use and in rock crawl competition.
Christopher Moritz yeah, I guess it’s a thing that’s being done nowadays. In my earlier video’s I used left and right, but I got ridiculed. In this case, it was for good reason. Driver/passenger works great! Totally worth the 2 to 3 syllables.
The obvious reason is less miscommunication. You have a guy spotting you and he's straight ahead facing you and tells you to turn your wheel left so you turn it left. But he meant his left because he forgot he's supposed to give you your lefts and rights. Saying driver or passenger is the same direction for both the spotter and the driver so it's just less chance of miscommunication.
Great video but too many ads. More than watching a half hour of old school network television.
Thanks Esperango. I didn’t put the ads there. I use to only have an ad at the beginning and end of my videos but back in June or July youtube changed how they do ads and put ads in the middle of all my videos. I’m watch apt of TH-cam myself. It seems they will hit you with heavy ads in the beginning and then ease off on subsequent videos.
500 ads for a 30 min video
Marcelo Ascencio yep, that’s the new TH-cam. All 30 minute videos will have the same amount of ads now. My channel didn’t have midway ads before the change.
Hi what PSI was being used on these vehicles? Thanks!
Ben Moore the subaru was at around 25 psi, the other vehicles were around 20 psi. We all aired down more for the prong horn drop
4-Runner is the only real 4x4 in this group. However the others are all competent AWD and would be great for daily drivers in inclement weather and back road type environments. Probably great road trip vehicles (where the 4-Runner would actually not be as good.)
Jason well said! This Passport is a great road trip vehicle. I’ve been meaning to create a video about the Passport road trip video, I just haven’t gotten around to it.
Adaptive cruise control and lane assist is pretty awesome. Once above 45mph, there’s an option to turn on semi self driving mode. It smoothly helps steer the Passport. It makes the long drives so easy. I’ve even urinated in a bottle while driving from California is to Sedona, Arizona. I just let the Honda drive itself while I supervised. TMI right?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring that's me lmao so smooth
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We, by we I mean, some soldiers peed in Gatorade bottles while driving their military vehicles down the road. But they don't do that anymore. 😏
For the money that cost that honda i buy a 4 runner any day of the week
Cool man. I use to drive a 2008 FJ cruiser TRD. Same vehicle, just shorter wheel base. It wasn’t for me.
The LSD on the 1999 LX470 is dead by now!
duhaibetahiks 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 true. I wonder how a rear mechanical LSD would operate in its glory days. Everyone has pretty much moved onto traction control systems.
Isn’t that Honda FWD
AWD
Sierra Delta thanks
CalisRemedy full time power based torque vectoring AWD with a twin clutch rear differential.
From the Land of Fruits and Nuts... And too many Cooks in the kitchen... When you only need ONE Chef behind the wheel... 'Nuff said!!!...
I am pretty sure my Tacoma could do this easy. Not much different than the 4 Runner.
A solid rear axle makes such a difference, I'm sure your Tacoma would do great!
Mike foehr, if you have the a-trac then you should have no problem like the 4runner. Without a-trac system would be a different story.
@@teddynaicker2997 no ATrac but have Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs. Big mistake i made was getting TRD SPORT...next time will be TRD OFFROAD...I want the rear locker...no stupid hood scoop and maybe even crawl control.