"Here's what I did, and this is why I did it." Such a simple format that I wish more people would follow! I'm not super knowledgeable about cars but I feel like I learned a bit through this video
Thank you for this man. As a new Subaru owner (Outback), its very helpful. As components are not cheap, especially if you need someone else to install them for you, its nice to learn from others to avoid expensive mistakes. You addressed all aspects of off road modifications that I would hope. Many others do not completely address everything, and leave out critical bits. I hope you are still rocking it!
I don’t have any intention on modding my Forester, but I really enjoyed this video. I like how you include your thought process and explain concepts with math and visuals
It feels fine even at highway speed because it has such a low center of mass. The shape of the boxer engine allows it to be mounted really low, that’s why Porsche uses it. Also, it’s a unibody car, so the center of mass is lower than a body on frame vehicle. You can delete the rear sway bar with any sacrifice, but deleting the front one makes a bit of difference. Luckily, you can just remove the endlinks and go for a test drive. A lot of people just delete the rear one, but you can test it and reconnect them if you don’t like it.
My wife's 17 Outback took $12,000 in hail damage. They cut off the roof skin and reskinned it, replaced the hood, and the rear hatch had major repairs. You have quite a build! Thanks for sharing.
Hey i know this video is 2 years old but thought I'd let you know Subaru now has an OEM 2" hitch for the Forester Wilderness, but it will fit the other trims. And it comes with the OEM wiring harness and template to trim the bumper cover. Great build, thanks for making this video. I've already got my skid plates, Ironman lift is ordered, and I'm planning for rock sliders, and designing a winch bumper for my FW.
I also really, really wish someone would make a snorkel kit for the 2019+ Foresters. Down here in Houston, the streets in my neighborhood regularly flood 2 feet deep.
Hands down best Forester build out there and this guy knows his shit. Slowly building up my Forester Wilderness to match this level. Excellent work and inspiring to the Forester off-road community. Keep posting!
Absolutely. Without a doubt. THE best Subaru off road build video on the web. I wish someone had a video EXACTLY like yours, for an SH Forester!! FANTASTIC work brother.
Great job! This video will save tons of money and a lot of time for everyone who decides to go off-road on a city vehicle. Even if it's not Subaru, all the principles remain the same. I would highly recommend buying a deflator to deflate tires, air compressor with at least 20 gal/min air performance and high jack with off-road base and high-lift kit. At low pressure (0.5-0.7 bar) you will get incredible car performance on soft mud, sand or snow. Big wheels have a lot of air, so to get an efficient air compressor for tires is a must. And, in case you lose the tire, you can lift the car directly by the wheel by using a high jack with a high-lift kit. Greetingsfrom lovers of Russian off-road!
Very impressed by your details of each mod. No over the top brags on how much stuff costs or video of just the mods. Just got me a 3rd gen forester and these mods are perfect. Thanks for the video. You earned a new sub.
Thanks! 😁 Wow, you've got quite the setup! I think that 1.5" lift is the sweet spot. It provides a good bit of extra ground clearance with almost ZERO extra stress on the suspension and steering components. I had KO2s for 2.5 years, they were super tough and durable, but they were not a good match for my Subaru's weight. I'm jealous of your engine and trans though, is that the 6 speed manual?! Have you seen Might Car Mods recent video where they put the STi guts into a Levorg?
@@MatthewHeiskell need to get a set of street tires for next spring/summer the ko2's get absolutely ripped apart by the power, and yes its been swapped from a 4 speed auto to 6 speed manual, traction control+abs permanently disabled aswell:)
@@Itswagonfall2 Wow, if that's the issue then I think that you already have the ideal tire, the KO2. They are designed for larger heavier trucks, but it sounds like you need that extra durability and more. I don't know of a tire that can handle abuse better than a KO2. Also, it sounds like you've built a rally car, maybe someone in that area will know of a really durable tire.
Mathew, great video. Been a Subaru fan forever, used to have 1998 GT Wagon, sold it with 350K miles on it, they need to bring that car back. We just traded in a 2016 Chevy Loaded Tahoe this past weekend for 2021 Subaru Touring Outback. My wife has had hip replacement and knee surgery and has trouble getting the higher Tahoe. We made a fair deal. The Outback only had 14,500 miles on it and it was a swap on car values and she paid a few dealership add on fees, to my dismay, but she is happy. I am looking forward to getting back into a Subaru and having some fun. Alrerady have 2007 Tundra Crew max. 2000 Isuzu Trooper and 1994 Landrover Discovery. Looking forward to getting out in her car and showing her what it can do just in case she finds herself in a challenging situation she can approach it with confidence.
That’s awesome! Glad to hear that she’ll be more comfortable and in a surprisingly capable vehicle. Glad to hear that you’ll show her what’s what too. Practically everyone underestimate Subaru AWD.
Great video dude! Love to hear other peoples mods. I didn't realize these newer foresters needed so much work for a bumper to work. Makes me glad I got an older one haha. Looks great though you did fantastic on the bumper!
I upgraded the tires on my 2010 Forester last year to the Falken Wildpeaks you mentioned, and am very happy with them. They have great traction on dry or wet pavement, and perform well in mud and snow as well. At the same time I upsized from the stock 225-55R17s to 235-60R17s. They are about as big as I think you can go on the SH chassis without a significant lift, but do not rub.
Great video and much appreciated. Intrugued by the seatbelt alarm disable. Not sure if your model has the stop/start issue or lane keeping assistbeeping, but is there also anyway to disable those you know of. It seems crazy it's not at least an option to turn them off permanently, or at least for say your own identified driver setting. Cheers, RJ, Australia
Thanks! Good questions! You can use this little device to automatically disable the start/stop function. amzn.to/3LS5s6c It is non-permanent and reversible too. The lane departure beeps can turned off by holding the corresponding button above your head. This one actually has a memory, so it will stay off. Finally, with the car running and parked, you can use the buttons on the steering wheel to silence and reduce the volume of some other beeps. Now the only time that my car beeps is when I'm actively using lane keep assist and the lines on the road become too difficult for the computer to recognize. That is the ONLY time it beeps now.
Eventually, once I get a second. Better Subaru outback then the one I have now. I'm definitely looking to do some upgrades. This is a perfect guide for starters such as myself. Thank you!
This is a FANTASTIC video! Super informative and a great resource! Great work and thanks for the shout out too :) Your editing, storyboarding and content layout is really great! Videos like this set the bar nice and high and give me something to aspire to myself. Keep up the good work!
I used the Curt trailer light kit on my outback and it's pretty great. Works as it should. I just wish there was the option for amber turning lights on a trailer in north america. Then you wouldn't even need the converter box.
Yoooo, this was such an informational video, and you threw us the free mod adjustment on the seat and seatbelt noise, cooler than sh1t yo, i think a lot of us appreciate it! Thanks man
Game changer right, right?! You'll have to do it again if you ever disconnect the battery and reset the car's computer. Hey, did you know that there is a similar process to disable the keyless entry beeps? Just google it if you want to do that too.
Wow did you do your homework! I'm sure a lot of trial and error too. Really, really cool that you shared your set up, reasoning, tips, prices, part numbers, etc. Amazing. Wish you did a RAV4, lol, that's how I stumbled on this, searching.
Thank you so much for your information. I'm modifying a 2016 Forezter XT and I really appreciate your experience. Currently sits on a 2"lift and allterains. Treating me very well
Jeez! Young man, your video is on point and super helpful, thank you for this. I'm looking at getting the 2022 Wilderness Edition Forester in Black and then slowly building up my mods from there. I've saved this video for reference. Thanks again, you really hit this video out of the park!!
Thanks Fred! I really appreciate you taking the time to write this nice message! That would be an excellent vehicle choice! I would suggest that you upsize the tires to 245/65R17 all terrains and add all three Primitive Racing skidplates and you’re good to go! Maybe a 1” spacer lift too. You can get one of those for Sub $200 from ADF. Technically the Ironman suspension is better than the upgraded Wilderness suspension, but not enough to justify the cost. The Wilderness already has a transmission cooler. It also has exclusive lower gearing in the front and rear diffs, sooo helpful off road. Don’t let Subaru deceive you, that metal factory skid plate is a joke. Super thin. Let me know if you have any questions as you go! Oh! One last thing! Have you considered waiting for the Crosstrek Wilderness? I’ve heard awesome rumors about it! Cheers!
Good question! It is really only the tires that hurt my MPGs. I recently switch to lighter wheels and tires but still oversized. We recently did a 700 mile road trip and it averaged 29 MPG. That was mostly highway driving with some slow off roading too. I have a recent video about my new wheels and tires. It has been a game-changing setup for the car.
This is Mika from the Facebook group that was very informative. Since my forester is a lease I can’t do none of that stuff. Once my lease is up I will probably upgrade to the wilderness edition since I am a bit nervous of messing something up. Who knows what will happen in 2 years. Anyways great video.
Cool! That’s a good plan! In my opinion, the most important change included in the wilderness package is the new lower gearing. Ironman still offers more ground clearance and more travel/articulation than the wilderness suspension, but changing both of the differential’s gearing is really a factor only improvement. I’m a big fan of the wilderness version! It is awesome that Subaru is listening to their drivers!
Good point. A trailer hitch is worth it in my opinion. You get a really good recover point, you can tow, and it kinda protects your bumper, but you will hit it quite a bit. I actually cut and welded to raise mine up a little bit.
I know, right? 😄 I also disabled the remote entry beeps. It still honks if you hit lock three times, and the light still flash like normal, but it is quieter. The instructions are ridiculously funny: 1) Sit in the driver's seat and shut all doors 2) Press the unlock door button 3) Insert the key into the ignition 4) While holding down the unlock button, pull the key out and re-insert it into the ignition switch at least 5 times within 10 seconds after performing step 2. 5) Open and close the driver's door within 10 seconds after performing step 4. 6) If you did it correctly the turn signal lights will flash 3 times.
this actually works! while i was doing it I was thinking this must be a joke lol. I noticed it turns the seatbelt warning light off as well. do you know if it affects anything else?
@@fuzzymcfurface7289 I doubt it... I’ve tried a few times since watching and haven’t gotten it to work yet. Guess I’ll keep trying Bc forums say it’s not super scientific
@@fuzzymcfurface7289 Yeah, the instructions are funny! Do you mean the safety stuff like airbags? All of that should still be enabled. I don't think that Subaru can legally disable that stuff.
My dad had a older forester. We tested it in the mud with his Tacoma 2010, and my Nissan hardbody 93. The forester was the only vehicle that had 4 tires all spinning at the same time, both our trucks had 1 spinning in front and 1 in back. I’d be down if Subaru made a mid size truck. I don’t do any off-roading in mud or sand, I mostly need ground clearance and low gearing, for what I do.
That's really cool! Subarus are really easy to underestimate. Just a couple mods will open a lot of doors. Ground clearance and low gearing huh, you're not driving a Subaru. Is that your Nissan?
Great video i just got a 21 forester ..you did everything i want to do. Im sticking with stock size tires but did get new conti A/T tires .. I only do 25% light off road but i do pull a trailer with kayaks and camping gear. So the ironman kit looks perfect .
@@MatthewHeiskell im trying to keep my mpg do you think the lift will hurt my highway miles ..we have a bunch of road trips coming up. And some lite trails im in SC so nothing extremely crazy
I've been looking at getting an Outback and doing something similar. Videos like these make me reconsider and get the Forester. The only thing I'm picky about it cargo space between the two.
Back in 2018 I bought an Outback specifically for the cargo capacity. Overall height is a bit lower than the Forester (not the ground clearance), but I think the offroad capability is pretty much the same. Seems to have a longer wheelbase, which may make it more comfortable overall. I'm using mine now for more overlanding and offroad camping, I just installed Flatout Suspension coilovers, which provide 2-3" of lift. I have mine set at 2.5" now, which is more than enough for the 245/65-17 Toyo Open Country tires. I've had BFG's before on several Jeeps, going back 40 years, but wanted something lighter and quieter this time. About 10 lbs lighter per tire. The Flatout coilovers can be ordered with custom spring rates and they are fully adjustable for ride height, preload and rebound. With a rooftop tent, hitch-mount bike carrier with 2 Mtn bikes, and a week's camping gear for 2 people, the suspension upgrade has made a huge difference.
Please consider adding a retention strap or bracket. I had an extinguisher stuffed in a door pocket and during a collision and partial rollover the extinguisher went airborne and nearly struck a passenger. Fortunately everyone emerged without major injury but I would have felt real bad if it was my fire extinguisher that was the cause of an injury.
I think 2018 was the last year of the manual transmission in the Forester. But you chose to build a "trail rig" around a CVT, the single biggest limiter of late model Subarus off-road ability... Looks good.
Thanks! Even if you gave me the choice now, I would stick with my CVT. It lets me go slow and ride the torque converter. I think I would burn the clutch trying to go that slow with a manual. The first CVTs were weak, but I haven’t heard anything bad about the recent ones. And I’ve done quite a bit of durability testing haha
@@MatthewHeiskell literally every expert says that Subaru ruined the off-road Heritage by switching to cvts. Maybe they have improved them, and they no longer cut power to preserve themselves.
@@deejayimm Bruceyyyyy made a video about the ECU cutting power to protect the CVT transmission. th-cam.com/video/xLEyk5Y9fPo/w-d-xo.html I think it is a good idea, because it helps prevent you from breaking something. It usually means that you need to pick a better line or angle on the obstacle. It is still plenty capable. And the CVT was necessary for Subaru to be able to have competitive MPGs with full time all wheel drive.
Yes, it is my only vehicle and both sway bars are completely gone. I do not know the RTI with the sway bars, but I know that they limit even the stock suspension, so you won't be getting very much out of the Ironman with them connected.
Thanks for the inspirational mods. I also have a 2019 Forester Premium. I haven't done offroading yet but i have been doing a lot of long distance highway driving. Here in Australia it is a must to have frontal protection against collisions with large animals...thus the only mod I made is installing a "roo bar" from East Coast Bullbars ($1200). The bar has already paid off because it saved my Forester from being towed after a kangaroo strike on my recent holiday road trip. Im not sure i would make anymore future mods apart from AT tyres because it would invalidate my 7 year vehicle warranty. Are you worried about your Forester warranty given your extensive mods ?
Oh cool! I’m glad to hear that you got the roo bar BEFORE the hit! If I have a catastrophic engine or transmission failure, I’ll put most of the things back to stock before taking it to the dealership 😄
You did amazing work hacking away at that approach angle. I was all onboard, this is a dope build until I saw the three letters of death C V T. I forgot they don't even offer the manual anymore.
Yeah, a lot of people hate the CVTs too. They got a bad reputation because the early ones were crappy, but in 2014 they switch to a stronger, more reliable version. I've been thrashing mine pretty hard and it is holding up well. I just wish the lowest ratio was a little lower. But I always have my winch as a backup to get me moving again.
Yes cvt is dumb for off or on road. Especially for anyone that actually likes driving. Weird this all the Subaru in Brazil all seem to be automatic...very strange because most cars here are manual. I miss my Baja 5speed turbo
Thanks! Yeah, that makes the transmission get hot, but the transmission cooler prevents it from getting too hot. The scan gauge is so useful for monitoring it. I heard that you can set alarms to beep when certain temps are reached.
That fire extinguisher sitting in your door pocket becomes a ballistic weapon that can kill you in an accident. This is also true of extinguishers mounted anywhere else in the inside of a car. Other than that. Great video.
Yeah, I'm kinda torn about it after hearing a few negative stories. I have air bags down there that should trap it in the event of a crash. I'll look into a way to mount it more securely or add some straps to it. Thanks!
@@MatthewHeiskell Yes. I didn’t get the delete since I felt it would be too loud. The current highway drone is just loud enough to feel like I made the right choice. I also have the Raceland 2 inch lift Toyo AT III’s 235/65r17 all the way around, Perrin tow hook (for looks) on the front knockout, and that’s pretty much it. Aside from the tint and black wrap job over all the chrome. Can’t stand chrome.
I've seen this car a dozen times and never noticed the hail damage. Mine has a bunch too that I haven't got around to fixing. It's most noticeable on the roof and hood. Never thought about pocketing the diminished value. HMMMMM
Hello Matt, thank you for your educational video. I have Forester 2021, I bought off market rims and added spacer. Now when I drive over 60 mph, the car shake. Any suggestion?
I like how you've put together this vid, definitely well laid out, you definitely gave your mods a lot of thought on what looks like a pretty strict budget. I admit I'm no fan of the Forester offroad, you don't have low-range, its Independent suspension all around, you can't really mount big tyres and the CVT is a deal breaker for me. So far as the mods go, I don't recommend spacers at all, you're going to cost yourself more in accelerated wear than what you save, especially if you actually put it through its paces offroad. And you don't seem to have added any lights? Is there a reason for that? Here in Australia its one of the 1st things most guys do. Can you get snorkels/raised air takes in the US? Its definitely a big mod for an offroad vehicle, even Safari sells for under $500 AU or $350 US. Whether or not you plan on going through creeks it will protect your intake from mud and dust and extend the life of your engine.
It seems that that you didn’t watch the whole video. It’s actually been a very capable and reliable vehicle for the last 5 years. The fully independent suspension is actually very advantageous. It keeps the diffs nice and high especially with the 30 inch tires. Fully independent suspension also handles better and it’s more comfortable. If you watched more of the video, then you would have seen that I switched from a spacer lift to longer struts that provide more ground clearance and travel/articulation. The unibody construction, low/flat boxer engine, and fully independent suspension keep the car very stable with both swaybars going, which significantly improves off-road articulation, traction, and comfort. I quickly added a transmission cooler to the CVT transmission. This prevents overheating which is the #1 killer of CVT. I’ve done Imogene Pass with it. It’s very reliable, capable, comfortable, safe, efficient, and affordable. Check out some of my other videos, especially the Imogene Pass video!
@@MatthewHeiskell yes. I own an Outback and had an XJ in the past. No way any Subaru, modified or stock, would make it over certain obstacles. But all modified/customized vehicles are awesome.
@MatthewHeiskell I was thinking of purchasing the same set of TA KO2 tires. Do you recommend getting them without a lift kit? I didn't want to spend much more than the set of tires and rims. I'll be honest I don't off-road my forester. I love the look of that tire setup.
I ran those KO2s for 2.5 years. They are a terrible match for a Subaru. Too heavy and the rubber is too hard because they are designed for heavier vehicles. Now I have Nomad Grapplers. They are lighter and quieter and were designed specifically for CUVs, so they still perform just as well off road. I suggest that you get those instead. If you’re using the stock wheels, then you can fit my size without a lift. 245/65R17
Great vid.. glad I stumbled upon it.. thanks for all the info and detailed explanations.. been looking to get the iron man suspension lift kit for a year now, but been hesitant about it and been tryin to do a lot of research on what would be best for off road build.. your vid got locked in for the iron man now.. haha.. all the build mods you discussed greatly.. thanks again
Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail is a great tire that I recently added. It is stock size, but a/t and really good offroad capabilities while not being to loud on the road. The gas mileage is not significantly affected, as well as being only 29.8 lbs. These were made for this size SUV, so do not have all the negative effects of oversized tires which cause multiple stress points in performance and structure.
Here is some good trail footage of it in action! th-cam.com/video/HgASl1TvbYI/w-d-xo.html
That's awesome man!
subaru gave up on off road vehicles the day they switched to cvt transmissions lol
Does your Ford Excursion buddy have a channel too? I'm wondering about his behind-the-grille lightbar install. Many thanks for the share btw, 🙏
i like how he actually goes into detail and explains everything instead of bragging about the price of the mods
"Here's what I did, and this is why I did it." Such a simple format that I wish more people would follow! I'm not super knowledgeable about cars but I feel like I learned a bit through this video
I follow dozens of car youtubers and have never heard any of them brag about how much something cost...
That’s just dual cabers in general, they have small egos 😂
Nothing on this built is remotely expensive anyway😂
Just the information alone ???? This man is going places... A million thumbs up!!!
Many thanks! 😄
Agreed! Enjoyed the video!
spending the money on mods instead of the body is peak auto enthusiast, I have to commend you for being this smart
Thank you for this man. As a new Subaru owner (Outback), its very helpful. As components are not cheap, especially if you need someone else to install them for you, its nice to learn from others to avoid expensive mistakes. You addressed all aspects of off road modifications that I would hope. Many others do not completely address everything, and leave out critical bits. I hope you are still rocking it!
This has to be the greatest vid for new Forester owners interested in off road modifications
Thanks you so much! 😄
I don’t have any intention on modding my Forester, but I really enjoyed this video. I like how you include your thought process and explain concepts with math and visuals
Thanks! It has been a fun project. I figured that since I'm one of the first people to modify the SK version, I should share my knowledge.
I think slightly better tires and extra under protection are the best mods people can get.
The best tutorial on modifying a Subaru Forester for off-roading I've seen. Great job and thank you.
Thank you! 😄
@@MatthewHeiskell How does it handle at freeway speeds? 70+ MPH ?
It feels fine even at highway speed because it has such a low center of mass. The shape of the boxer engine allows it to be mounted really low, that’s why Porsche uses it. Also, it’s a unibody car, so the center of mass is lower than a body on frame vehicle. You can delete the rear sway bar with any sacrifice, but deleting the front one makes a bit of difference. Luckily, you can just remove the endlinks and go for a test drive. A lot of people just delete the rear one, but you can test it and reconnect them if you don’t like it.
My wife's 17 Outback took $12,000 in hail damage. They cut off the roof skin and reskinned it, replaced the hood, and the rear hatch had major repairs. You have quite a build! Thanks for sharing.
Oh wow! That's a LOT of damage! Glad to hear that they fixed it! Thanks! Cheers! 😁
@@MatthewHeiskell I was shocked insurance did it, but I guess 12k in repairs is OK on a 27k car.
This was the single best subi video I've ever seen. I'm never leaving this channel.
Wow, thank you!
Hey i know this video is 2 years old but thought I'd let you know Subaru now has an OEM 2" hitch for the Forester Wilderness, but it will fit the other trims. And it comes with the OEM wiring harness and template to trim the bumper cover.
Great build, thanks for making this video. I've already got my skid plates, Ironman lift is ordered, and I'm planning for rock sliders, and designing a winch bumper for my FW.
I also really, really wish someone would make a snorkel kit for the 2019+ Foresters. Down here in Houston, the streets in my neighborhood regularly flood 2 feet deep.
Wow! Your built FW is going to be awesome! Thanks for the info on the 2” hitch. Yeah, a snorkel would be really nice!
Hands down best Forester build out there and this guy knows his shit. Slowly building up my Forester Wilderness to match this level. Excellent work and inspiring to the Forester off-road community. Keep posting!
Many thanks! \^o^/
Great video. This should be a mandatory introduction bible for anyone looking to build a funbaru
Thanks! That is what I was going for actually! :)
Absolutely. Without a doubt. THE best Subaru off road build video on the web. I wish someone had a video EXACTLY like yours, for an SH Forester!! FANTASTIC work brother.
Great job! This video will save tons of money and a lot of time for everyone who decides to go off-road on a city vehicle. Even if it's not Subaru, all the principles remain the same. I would highly recommend buying a deflator to deflate tires, air compressor with at least 20 gal/min air performance and high jack with off-road base and high-lift kit. At low pressure (0.5-0.7 bar) you will get incredible car performance on soft mud, sand or snow. Big wheels have a lot of air, so to get an efficient air compressor for tires is a must. And, in case you lose the tire, you can lift the car directly by the wheel by using a high jack with a high-lift kit. Greetingsfrom lovers of Russian off-road!
Thank you! 😄 Yes, I agree with your advice!
A power packed video full of tons of information...much appreciate all your legwork for the rest of us!! 👍🏼
I really appreciate hearing that! 😄
You are a able story teller.listenable,Charming,clear.thank you
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Very impressed by your details of each mod. No over the top brags on how much stuff costs or video of just the mods. Just got me a 3rd gen forester and these mods are perfect. Thanks for the video. You earned a new sub.
Thanks! A/T tires, disconnecting or removing the sway bars and skid plates are the 3 most important things. Good luck on your build!
Great video. Very informative and not long winded. Straight to the point and well organized. Keep doing what your doing.
Thanks! 😊
love the video:) i have an SH forester lifted an inch and a half with A/T KO2's... and a fully built stage 2+ motor paired with an sti trans+brakes
Thanks! 😁 Wow, you've got quite the setup! I think that 1.5" lift is the sweet spot. It provides a good bit of extra ground clearance with almost ZERO extra stress on the suspension and steering components. I had KO2s for 2.5 years, they were super tough and durable, but they were not a good match for my Subaru's weight. I'm jealous of your engine and trans though, is that the 6 speed manual?! Have you seen Might Car Mods recent video where they put the STi guts into a Levorg?
@@MatthewHeiskell need to get a set of street tires for next spring/summer the ko2's get absolutely ripped apart by the power, and yes its been swapped from a 4 speed auto to 6 speed manual, traction control+abs permanently disabled aswell:)
@@Itswagonfall2 Wow, if that's the issue then I think that you already have the ideal tire, the KO2. They are designed for larger heavier trucks, but it sounds like you need that extra durability and more. I don't know of a tire that can handle abuse better than a KO2. Also, it sounds like you've built a rally car, maybe someone in that area will know of a really durable tire.
Mathew, great video. Been a Subaru fan forever, used to have 1998 GT Wagon, sold it with 350K miles on it, they need to bring that car back. We just traded in a 2016 Chevy Loaded Tahoe this past weekend for 2021 Subaru Touring Outback. My wife has had hip replacement and knee surgery and has trouble getting the higher Tahoe. We made a fair deal. The Outback only had 14,500 miles on it and it was a swap on car values and she paid a few dealership add on fees, to my dismay, but she is happy. I am looking forward to getting back into a Subaru and having some fun. Alrerady have 2007 Tundra Crew max. 2000 Isuzu Trooper and 1994 Landrover Discovery. Looking forward to getting out in her car and showing her what it can do just in case she finds herself in a challenging situation she can approach it with confidence.
That’s awesome! Glad to hear that she’ll be more comfortable and in a surprisingly capable vehicle. Glad to hear that you’ll show her what’s what too. Practically everyone underestimate Subaru AWD.
Matt, dude, this has got to be the best Forester mod vid ever! Seatbelt beep... LOL! Thanks so much!
Rare to click Thumb's Up in the first 5 seconds but I love the fact you delineated the video. Cheers!
Thank you! 😄
Thank you very much for the info. We are going to implement several of your mods to our Outback.
I own a really nice1999 Mitsubishi Montero, and it has incredible off-road capabilities, but those Subarus would definitely be my next car
trying to find some nice mods and this man pulls out the trigonometry, great video
Hahaha thanks man!
THANKS FOR THE THINKING! I especially liked the tip about upgrading the suspension to carry heavier camping loads.
Great video dude! Love to hear other peoples mods. I didn't realize these newer foresters needed so much work for a bumper to work. Makes me glad I got an older one haha. Looks great though you did fantastic on the bumper!
Many thanks! 😄 yeah, the OG Foresters are too legit, haha
I upgraded the tires on my 2010 Forester last year to the Falken Wildpeaks you mentioned, and am very happy with them. They have great traction on dry or wet pavement, and perform well in mud and snow as well. At the same time I upsized from the stock 225-55R17s to 235-60R17s. They are about as big as I think you can go on the SH chassis without a significant lift, but do not rub.
Absolutely perfect! 😄 The SH is what "Soft Roading the West" had, right?
@@MatthewHeiskell That I don't know, but now I have something to check out.
From hail damage, to trail damage! xD Nice build, love to see a new vehicle modified and made better than stock!
Haha I like that! 😄 Thanks, I think that the hail damage actually helped me get past that initial fear. Cheers! 😃
Great video and much appreciated. Intrugued by the seatbelt alarm disable. Not sure if your model has the stop/start issue or lane keeping assistbeeping, but is there also anyway to disable those you know of. It seems crazy it's not at least an option to turn them off permanently, or at least for say your own identified driver setting. Cheers, RJ, Australia
Thanks! Good questions! You can use this little device to automatically disable the start/stop function. amzn.to/3LS5s6c It is non-permanent and reversible too. The lane departure beeps can turned off by holding the corresponding button above your head. This one actually has a memory, so it will stay off. Finally, with the car running and parked, you can use the buttons on the steering wheel to silence and reduce the volume of some other beeps. Now the only time that my car beeps is when I'm actively using lane keep assist and the lines on the road become too difficult for the computer to recognize. That is the ONLY time it beeps now.
@@MatthewHeiskell Thanks for these fabulous tips Matthew. Greatly appreciated :)
Just picked up a 21 forester sport
Liked and subbed
Thanks for all this helpful information
You will Not Regret it...
I Really Enjoy my
hi, whats the mileage you get from it?
Eventually, once I get a second. Better Subaru outback then the one I have now.
I'm definitely looking to do some upgrades. This is a perfect guide for starters such as myself. Thank you!
This is a FANTASTIC video! Super informative and a great resource! Great work and thanks for the shout out too :) Your editing, storyboarding and content layout is really great! Videos like this set the bar nice and high and give me something to aspire to myself. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Tom! That means a lot coming from the KING of production quality! 😁
I used the Curt trailer light kit on my outback and it's pretty great. Works as it should. I just wish there was the option for amber turning lights on a trailer in north america. Then you wouldn't even need the converter box.
Yoooo, this was such an informational video, and you threw us the free mod adjustment on the seat and seatbelt noise, cooler than sh1t yo, i think a lot of us appreciate it! Thanks man
Thanks for taking the time to write that nice comment, it is really encouraging!
I own a 4runner, not a Forester, but I do really like your build and the commitment to DIY.
Thanks! 4runners are awesome! What have you done to yours?
@@MatthewHeiskell Nothing major, but soon enough I'm installing new suspension and some 33 AT tires :) Looking at either Bilstein 5100's or OME's
@@dusk7519 Noice! 😁
Very good video also the cat at 5:02 is very appreciated
Haha thanks! 😄
incredible video, giving great information for all viewers. i was expecting to see at least 50k subs when i looked. youll get there soon
Outstanding. I can't even imagine this level of detail and mods. Terrific Job.
Thanks!
One of the best videos of this kind on TH-cam 😊
Thanks big time! 😄
seriously great info. Clear, concise, and comprehensive. Thank you
Thanks! I'm glad it was helpful! 😁
Congratulations, looks awesome !!!
I bought forester 2021 a month ago, I will try to modify mine like you did when the 5 year warranty expires
Congratulations!
Thank you !
You're my HERO! I finally got that annoying seat belt alarm turned off!!!
Game changer right, right?! You'll have to do it again if you ever disconnect the battery and reset the car's computer. Hey, did you know that there is a similar process to disable the keyless entry beeps? Just google it if you want to do that too.
nice build. I left this video never knowing i could disable that seat belt chime. Thankyou sir.
wow this was the most in-depth, informative, and engaging review ever..and I don't even own a subaru!
Thanks for taking the time to write that, I appreciate it! 😄
@@MatthewHeiskell yeah man! Can't wait to see more videos! ( me hoping somehow this will translate to my unibody Ridgeline)
@@hukmai Yeah, a lot of it will transfer over. You should look for sway bar quick disconnect endlinks. That makes a HUGE difference off road.
Wow did you do your homework! I'm sure a lot of trial and error too.
Really, really cool that you shared your set up, reasoning, tips, prices, part numbers, etc. Amazing.
Wish you did a RAV4, lol, that's how I stumbled on this, searching.
Thanks! The RAV4 is a very similar platform!
One of the most detailed video on youtube ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Thank you so much! 😁
Thank you so much for your information. I'm modifying a 2016 Forezter XT and I really appreciate your experience. Currently sits on a 2"lift and allterains. Treating me very well
Right on! That’s about all you really need, but a skid plate or two would be nice.
@@MatthewHeiskell Ihave all terrains that gave a good lift. Trying out 235 60 18s. Mild trails. shallow streams. Skid plates are coming next.
Appreciate the production value of this video. You cover a lot with great visuals. Rad project!
Thanks for taking the time to write that nice comment! I appreciate it! 😄
Great modification great details, you just Convert me to buying Subaru now.
I greatly appreciate all your research and information. Those are some amazing mods
Thanks for that nice comment! 😄 I’m glad that you enjoyed it!
This video was so well done and straight to the point. Wow. Thank you
Many thanks! 😄
Really nice video and explanation. Like your Forester's stance and overall mod's.
Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to write that! 😁
Jeez!
Young man, your video is on point and super helpful, thank you for this.
I'm looking at getting the 2022 Wilderness Edition Forester in Black and then slowly building up my mods from there. I've saved this video for reference.
Thanks again, you really hit this video out of the park!!
Thanks Fred! I really appreciate you taking the time to write this nice message! That would be an excellent vehicle choice! I would suggest that you upsize the tires to 245/65R17 all terrains and add all three Primitive Racing skidplates and you’re good to go! Maybe a 1” spacer lift too. You can get one of those for Sub $200 from ADF. Technically the Ironman suspension is better than the upgraded Wilderness suspension, but not enough to justify the cost. The Wilderness already has a transmission cooler. It also has exclusive lower gearing in the front and rear diffs, sooo helpful off road. Don’t let Subaru deceive you, that metal factory skid plate is a joke. Super thin. Let me know if you have any questions as you go! Oh! One last thing! Have you considered waiting for the Crosstrek Wilderness? I’ve heard awesome rumors about it! Cheers!
VERY cool build man! Seriously, that's a badass Forester!
Thanks haha 😁
What kind of gas mileage do you get after the lift and bigger tires?
Good question! It is really only the tires that hurt my MPGs. I recently switch to lighter wheels and tires but still oversized. We recently did a 700 mile road trip and it averaged 29 MPG. That was mostly highway driving with some slow off roading too. I have a recent video about my new wheels and tires. It has been a game-changing setup for the car.
This is Mika from the Facebook group that was very informative. Since my forester is a lease I can’t do none of that stuff. Once my lease is up I will probably upgrade to the wilderness edition since I am a bit nervous of messing something up. Who knows what will happen in 2 years.
Anyways great video.
Cool! That’s a good plan! In my opinion, the most important change included in the wilderness package is the new lower gearing. Ironman still offers more ground clearance and more travel/articulation than the wilderness suspension, but changing both of the differential’s gearing is really a factor only improvement. I’m a big fan of the wilderness version! It is awesome that Subaru is listening to their drivers!
Having a trailer hitch reduces the departure angle, is using it as protection worth it? Any plans on modifying the rear bumper to improve the angle?
Good point. A trailer hitch is worth it in my opinion. You get a really good recover point, you can tow, and it kinda protects your bumper, but you will hit it quite a bit. I actually cut and welded to raise mine up a little bit.
Liked and subscribed my man! Awesome video with loads of info. Love how you cut straight to the chase, no fluff bs.
Thanks! I appreciate that!
What paint did you use for your grille?
Just normal black spray paint, but I should have done a few more coats because it is slowly chipping off.
@@MatthewHeiskell thanks! Do you mind posting the link for the grille lights? I can’t find them on Amazon
Here you go 😄 amzn.to/3TSZXWk
And you can upgrade your interior lights with this universal kit amzn.to/3fhl0CW
Very cool subaru! Good job on the modification.
Thanks for taking the time to write that! 😊
the most informative and well said 4x4 forester video!!! Great job and Thank you.
Many thanks! 😄
Nice build and one of the best videos I've watched in a long time!
Thanks! 😃
This is badass!
Just bought 2018 forester XT
Going to try a few of these mods when warranty is up
Awesome! You got the latest forester that has a turbo! 😄
the best mod here is the seatbelt chime. Will definitely go and do that now
I know, right? 😄 I also disabled the remote entry beeps. It still honks if you hit lock three times, and the light still flash like normal, but it is quieter. The instructions are ridiculously funny:
1) Sit in the driver's seat and shut all doors
2) Press the unlock door button
3) Insert the key into the ignition
4) While holding down the unlock button, pull the key out and re-insert it into the ignition switch at least 5 times within 10 seconds after performing step 2.
5) Open and close the driver's door within 10 seconds after performing step 4.
6) If you did it correctly the turn signal lights will flash 3 times.
this actually works! while i was doing it I was thinking this must be a joke lol. I noticed it turns the seatbelt warning light off as well. do you know if it affects anything else?
@@fuzzymcfurface7289 I doubt it... I’ve tried a few times since watching and haven’t gotten it to work yet. Guess I’ll keep trying Bc forums say it’s not super scientific
@@fuzzymcfurface7289 Yeah, the instructions are funny! Do you mean the safety stuff like airbags? All of that should still be enabled. I don't think that Subaru can legally disable that stuff.
@@MatthewHeiskell thanks for that tip, it was really annoying how the dinging would not shut off even if the car was put back in park.
My dad had a older forester. We tested it in the mud with his Tacoma 2010, and my Nissan hardbody 93. The forester was the only vehicle that had 4 tires all spinning at the same time, both our trucks had 1 spinning in front and 1 in back. I’d be down if Subaru made a mid size truck. I don’t do any off-roading in mud or sand, I mostly need ground clearance and low gearing, for what I do.
That's really cool! Subarus are really easy to underestimate. Just a couple mods will open a lot of doors. Ground clearance and low gearing huh, you're not driving a Subaru. Is that your Nissan?
Were you comparing the Subaru to your trucks in 4Hi or 4 Lo? The CVT is the weak link in the Suby system
@@sneakybow1 the cvt is fine if you put it in manual mode. the problem is final gear ratio
What a friggin bad ass build. Very very informative and helpful video thank you
Thanks! 😊
Great video i just got a 21 forester ..you did everything i want to do. Im sticking with stock size tires but did get new conti A/T tires .. I only do 25% light off road but i do pull a trailer with kayaks and camping gear. So the ironman kit looks perfect .
Yeah, the Ironman suspension is incredible!
@@MatthewHeiskell im trying to keep my mpg do you think the lift will hurt my highway miles ..we have a bunch of road trips coming up. And some lite trails im in SC so nothing extremely crazy
@@jayssckayakfishing1 That won't make a detectable difference. But big A/T tires hurt your MPGs the most.
@@MatthewHeiskell cool yea thats why i stayed with stock size
Excellent informative video, thank you for taking the time and doing it so professionally. You’ve helped me a lot.
I'm happy to help! Let me know if you have any questions down the road. Thanks for taking the time to write that nice comment! 😄
I've been looking at getting an Outback and doing something similar. Videos like these make me reconsider and get the Forester. The only thing I'm picky about it cargo space between the two.
They are basically the same car. Just pick the one that you like.
@@MatthewHeiskell that's what I figured was the case. It'll be my first Subaru so I wanna make sure I like what I buy
Back in 2018 I bought an Outback specifically for the cargo capacity. Overall height is a bit lower than the Forester (not the ground clearance), but I think the offroad capability is pretty much the same. Seems to have a longer wheelbase, which may make it more comfortable overall. I'm using mine now for more overlanding and offroad camping, I just installed Flatout Suspension coilovers, which provide 2-3" of lift. I have mine set at 2.5" now, which is more than enough for the 245/65-17 Toyo Open Country tires. I've had BFG's before on several Jeeps, going back 40 years, but wanted something lighter and quieter this time. About 10 lbs lighter per tire. The Flatout coilovers can be ordered with custom spring rates and they are fully adjustable for ride height, preload and rebound. With a rooftop tent, hitch-mount bike carrier with 2 Mtn bikes, and a week's camping gear for 2 people, the suspension upgrade has made a huge difference.
I learned more from this video than my PhD program.
That is some VERY high praise! Thank you! 😀
I'm glad I clicked on your video. I have been looking for a suitable fire extinguisher for my subie.
Awesome! Yeah, it’s a perfect fit!
Please consider adding a retention strap or bracket. I had an extinguisher stuffed in a door pocket and during a collision and partial rollover the extinguisher went airborne and nearly struck a passenger. Fortunately everyone emerged without major injury but I would have felt real bad if it was my fire extinguisher that was the cause of an injury.
@@theseeker104 Wow! That's a good point! I'll work something out.
I think 2018 was the last year of the manual transmission in the Forester.
But you chose to build a "trail rig" around a CVT, the single biggest limiter of late model Subarus off-road ability...
Looks good.
Thanks! Even if you gave me the choice now, I would stick with my CVT. It lets me go slow and ride the torque converter. I think I would burn the clutch trying to go that slow with a manual. The first CVTs were weak, but I haven’t heard anything bad about the recent ones. And I’ve done quite a bit of durability testing haha
@@MatthewHeiskell literally every expert says that Subaru ruined the off-road Heritage by switching to cvts.
Maybe they have improved them, and they no longer cut power to preserve themselves.
@@deejayimm Bruceyyyyy made a video about the ECU cutting power to protect the CVT transmission. th-cam.com/video/xLEyk5Y9fPo/w-d-xo.html I think it is a good idea, because it helps prevent you from breaking something. It usually means that you need to pick a better line or angle on the obstacle. It is still plenty capable. And the CVT was necessary for Subaru to be able to have competitive MPGs with full time all wheel drive.
@@MatthewHeiskell ok
Do you drive with out the sway bars? Have you tried this with the sway bars, what’s that RTI?
Yes, it is my only vehicle and both sway bars are completely gone. I do not know the RTI with the sway bars, but I know that they limit even the stock suspension, so you won't be getting very much out of the Ironman with them connected.
Thanks for the inspirational mods. I also have a 2019 Forester Premium. I haven't done offroading yet but i have been doing a lot of long distance highway driving. Here in Australia it is a must to have frontal protection against collisions with large animals...thus the only mod I made is installing a "roo bar" from East Coast Bullbars ($1200). The bar has already paid off because it saved my Forester from being towed after a kangaroo strike on my recent holiday road trip. Im not sure i would make anymore future mods apart from AT tyres because it would invalidate my 7 year vehicle warranty. Are you worried about your Forester warranty given your extensive mods ?
Oh cool! I’m glad to hear that you got the roo bar BEFORE the hit! If I have a catastrophic engine or transmission failure, I’ll put most of the things back to stock before taking it to the dealership 😄
the seatbelt trick, if it works in Aus models, is fantastic for 4wding. can't wait to try it out
Awesome! Please report back with your results! 😄
You did amazing work hacking away at that approach angle. I was all onboard, this is a dope build until I saw the three letters of death C V T. I forgot they don't even offer the manual anymore.
Yeah, a lot of people hate the CVTs too. They got a bad reputation because the early ones were crappy, but in 2014 they switch to a stronger, more reliable version. I've been thrashing mine pretty hard and it is holding up well. I just wish the lowest ratio was a little lower. But I always have my winch as a backup to get me moving again.
Yes cvt is dumb for off or on road. Especially for anyone that actually likes driving. Weird this all the Subaru in Brazil all seem to be automatic...very strange because most cars here are manual. I miss my Baja 5speed turbo
Very informative and well made video, thanks for sharing! I will be buying a 2013 Forester, so this is exactly what I need!
idk about riding your "torque converter" with that cvt... sweet build
Thanks! Yeah, that makes the transmission get hot, but the transmission cooler prevents it from getting too hot. The scan gauge is so useful for monitoring it. I heard that you can set alarms to beep when certain temps are reached.
great video with solid explanation on why and how + names of products.
Thanks
Thanks! Glad it was helpful! 😄
perfect transformation 👍❤️
Thanks! 😁
If you cut some holes in the bumper skidplate you can get some cooling back, and still have protection. Search prerunner bumpers for ideas.
Surprisingly, it still has enough cooling without adding holes.
I gave a like for the words "CVT Juice"
JTFC! I saw the thumbnail and damn! Well done on the Subaru Forrester off-road build!
Thanks! Haha 😁
Cat appearance at 05:00! Nice video, my dude
Hahaha you're exactly right! 😆
Sounds like someone accidentally stepped on his tail.
@@davek9378 Haha she makes all kind of crazy sounding meows. I think she is trying to howl like a dog sometimes haha
Lol.
That fire extinguisher sitting in your door pocket becomes a ballistic weapon that can kill you in an accident. This is also true of extinguishers mounted anywhere else in the inside of a car. Other than that. Great video.
Yeah, I'm kinda torn about it after hearing a few negative stories. I have air bags down there that should trap it in the event of a crash. I'll look into a way to mount it more securely or add some straps to it. Thanks!
Love the video! Looking at adding some of these mods to my 2018 Outback. Question, what is the site you used for the tire size comparison?
Thanks! I used this website: tiresize.com/calculator/
There is a tab to select “Tire Comparison”
I got the axel back from nameless for my 2018 2.5i premium and it sounds great. It took about 6 months to come in though
Did you get the one with the helmholtz resonator?
@@MatthewHeiskell Yes. I didn’t get the delete since I felt it would be too loud. The current highway drone is just loud enough to feel like I made the right choice.
I also have the Raceland 2 inch lift
Toyo AT III’s 235/65r17 all the way around,
Perrin tow hook (for looks) on the front knockout, and that’s pretty much it. Aside from the tint and black wrap job over all the chrome. Can’t stand chrome.
Awesome! That sounds like a great build! Well done!
@@MatthewHeiskell Thanks!
If you’re serious about off roading don’t get vehicle with CVT lol kidding very cool build great job man!
Hahaha they have a bad reputation, because the early ones were crap. Thanks Adam!
Great build! Agree to disagree on CVT. Mountain passes and any rock crawling will still be an issue
@@Moab12 Hahaha 🤣 its definitely not a rock crawler!
Excellent sharing....
I like the way u step by step explains the process.
I've seen this car a dozen times and never noticed the hail damage.
Mine has a bunch too that I haven't got around to fixing. It's most noticeable on the roof and hood.
Never thought about pocketing the diminished value. HMMMMM
Hello Matt, thank you for your educational video. I have Forester 2021, I bought off market rims and added spacer. Now when I drive over 60 mph, the car shake. Any suggestion?
Uh, those spacers are likely the problem. Try removing them.
I like how you've put together this vid, definitely well laid out, you definitely gave your mods a lot of thought on what looks like a pretty strict budget.
I admit I'm no fan of the Forester offroad, you don't have low-range, its Independent suspension all around, you can't really mount big tyres and the CVT is a deal breaker for me.
So far as the mods go, I don't recommend spacers at all, you're going to cost yourself more in accelerated wear than what you save, especially if you actually put it through its paces offroad.
And you don't seem to have added any lights? Is there a reason for that? Here in Australia its one of the 1st things most guys do.
Can you get snorkels/raised air takes in the US? Its definitely a big mod for an offroad vehicle, even Safari sells for under $500 AU or $350 US.
Whether or not you plan on going through creeks it will protect your intake from mud and dust and extend the life of your engine.
It seems that that you didn’t watch the whole video. It’s actually been a very capable and reliable vehicle for the last 5 years. The fully independent suspension is actually very advantageous. It keeps the diffs nice and high especially with the 30 inch tires. Fully independent suspension also handles better and it’s more comfortable. If you watched more of the video, then you would have seen that I switched from a spacer lift to longer struts that provide more ground clearance and travel/articulation. The unibody construction, low/flat boxer engine, and fully independent suspension keep the car very stable with both swaybars going, which significantly improves off-road articulation, traction, and comfort. I quickly added a transmission cooler to the CVT transmission. This prevents overheating which is the #1 killer of CVT. I’ve done Imogene Pass with it. It’s very reliable, capable, comfortable, safe, efficient, and affordable. Check out some of my other videos, especially the Imogene Pass video!
Your wasting your time without low range gearing
Yeah, I really wish that I had low range, but it is decently capable without it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That’s the difference between a soft roader and off roader.
@@JeepCherokeeful I've never heard that distinction, but it makes perfect sense! 😲 I really like that! Thanks! 😄
@@MatthewHeiskell yes. I own an Outback and had an XJ in the past. No way any Subaru, modified or stock, would make it over certain obstacles. But all modified/customized vehicles are awesome.
@MatthewHeiskell I was thinking of purchasing the same set of TA KO2 tires. Do you recommend getting them without a lift kit? I didn't want to spend much more than the set of tires and rims. I'll be honest I don't off-road my forester. I love the look of that tire setup.
I ran those KO2s for 2.5 years. They are a terrible match for a Subaru. Too heavy and the rubber is too hard because they are designed for heavier vehicles. Now I have Nomad Grapplers. They are lighter and quieter and were designed specifically for CUVs, so they still perform just as well off road. I suggest that you get those instead. If you’re using the stock wheels, then you can fit my size without a lift. 245/65R17
Great vid.. glad I stumbled upon it.. thanks for all the info and detailed explanations.. been looking to get the iron man suspension lift kit for a year now, but been hesitant about it and been tryin to do a lot of research on what would be best for off road build.. your vid got locked in for the iron man now.. haha.. all the build mods you discussed greatly.. thanks again
Awesome! Let me know if you have any future questions!
Amazing video, i have a barebones manual '15 SJ i plan to do a lot with, and this video had so much good information in it!
Awesome! That’s a cool project! 😄
Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail is a great tire that I recently added. It is stock size, but a/t and really good offroad capabilities while not being to loud on the road. The gas mileage is not significantly affected, as well as being only 29.8 lbs. These were made for this size SUV, so do not have all the negative effects of oversized tires which cause multiple stress points in performance and structure.
Yeah, that's almost exactly what I said in the video. Did you watch it? 😄
I just heard your CAT 🐈 in the background! Awesome👌
haha, good ears! Her name is Mittens.