***ATTENTION*** A few days after releasing this video, I spontaneously met up with two friends and I realized it was the perfect opportunity to do a Comparison test between my 2019 Honda Passport, a 2nd Gen Nissan Xterra and an Acura MDX. I was personally surprised by the results. Here's the video: th-cam.com/video/edQwBmmaA1o/w-d-xo.html
I have seen dozens (hundreds?) of car review videos over the years and yours is one of the best. It contextualized the Passport within its market-niche and its proposed uses in a very helpful way. Well done!
Just got a passport and Im absolutely in love it. Engine power definitely stands out and it doesn’t feel like a numb crossover. The ground clearance is good enough for anyone who wants to do light off roading. Amazing car.
Jon, really nice work, no polemics, just personal reflections aired with an open mind. refreshing! Drove the Passport, great rig, your channel is really helpful in assessing what it can do. Keep up the good work and travel safe.
I just got a 2023 Honda passport as a daily driver and have a 2016 GX 460. I guess I am good for both on road and off road :). Planning to do some crazy stuff on my GX. Super impressed with the ride and handling of the passport!!
I’ve been watching your videos on and off all year. I found you when I was searching for comparisons between some of the Honda products and super products. Yesterday we decided to pull the trigger on our new adventure Mobile when the dealer called and said they had one in our color available. We now on a 2022 Honda passport Trail sport. 60 miles on it so far, so far so good.
Congratulations! I hope your new Honda treats you well. I’m sitting on 120k miles now, and it’s still going strong. First thing I would do it buy a front skid plate to protect the engine oil pan and transmission. I have a 5% discount on Nolo Designs. I remember when I first bought my Passport, I was driving it up a steep snowy hill and I hit a fallen rock that was hidden under the snow. Lucky, I hit the front jacking point, but it gave me a heart attack.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thanks for the advice. Unfortuently I have to wait a while to replenish funds before I can afford the extras. My msrp was 43k plus dealer addons. They surely raised msrp since you’re purchase. What are the other key adjustments/upgrades I should put on my shortlist for springtime? (Or if you have a video describing those things already, link it?)
That’s a common question! So every year I pay $160 for my informational question to more easily answer people 😃. crossoverlanding.com/honda-overland-build The only thing to think about is the lift kit. With my discount code, you can buy the Traxda 2” kit for $300 or the 3.5” kit for 1200, but you also have to factor in the cost for installation, which will be anywhere from $800 to $1200, regardless of what kit you have installed, so I highly recommend the 3.5” kit because the extra money you spend goes into parts that lower the subframe, which gives the drive train better geometry. The extra height also keeps your vehicle further away from trail damage.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring oh, Jon, one more question. I’ve not come across a video where you speak about this yet: your Matte paint job. Is that a wrap, Plastidip, enamel paint? What did you do there? Edit: I just randomly came across the video where you introduced the newly wrapped passport. That answers my question. How is the wrap holding up and protecting the paint?
Hi Jon, loved your video! I came across this video at the right time as I keep going back and forth on what type vehicle I want to get or to stay with what I have currently. Right now I have a 2002 Jeep TJ with only 98,000 miles on it and a 2005 Lexus GX470 with 175,000 on it. I bought the Jeep a year ago and had a 2012 2dr Honda Civic at the time which I loved due to it's great gas mileage and reliability. My idea was to keep both and have the jeep as my summertime cruising vehicle that I could get lifted and put bigger tires on. Well after watching many hours of videos of jeeps on TH-cam I discovered the world of overlanding which I quickly embraced as the rockcrawling aspect of Jeeps didn't really interest me. After a lot of research on overlanding I realized the small TJ with crappy gas mileage wasn't an ideal vehicle for what I wanted to do. So I started looking at 4th gen 4runners which is where I discovered the GX470s and fell in love and had have one for my future overlander. In September I traded in my Honda and got the Lexus which I love but for the little time I have owned it it has shown its wear and is now in my garage on Jack stands to do work on it. Recently I have been thinking about cutting my losses on both of those and just getting a new vehicle. I've been looking at the TRD offroad 4runners and now recently with Jeep and it's new diesel engine. Then tonight I started watching videos on the Honda Passport which reallly intrigues me a lot. I retire in 10 years and plan on leaving Western NY and traveling the country overlanding so I want to get the right vehicle and have it payed off by the time I retire. Sorry for long story...it probably could of been longer!
Roco2273 don’t be sorry about the long story, That’s a tough and complicated decision you have. My Honda Passport has more than exceeded my expectations, but I honestly can’t expect it to last me more than 10 years as an overland vehicle. It might go 20 years, but it’s just not a proven platform like your Lexus GX’s J150 platform. Neither is the Jeep JL, especially with the eco diesel. It sounds like what you are looking for the most is long term reliability and longevity and a Toyota product is most likely to give you that. A Honda Passport makes the best daily driver out of all your choices and will give you 5-7 better mpg at 70mph than a 4Runner. It’s onroad handling and comfort will rank highest of the 3. A Jeep JL with an eco diesel will by far be the most fuel efficient. It’s rated to get 29 mph highway which is almost double what a 4 runner would really get.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks for the advise Jon...you're absolutely right on everything you said! I was at my Toyota dealership today to pick up some parts for my Lexus and was talking the parts guy and he kinda reassured me about my truck and how that should last me forever and recommended a frame shop that could fix my rusty frame if need be. So I think I'm gonna stick with my Lexus and put the money in to it and get it to what I want it to be as an overland rig. Thanks again for putting all your time into your response!
Howard Griner you can go as low as an 18 inch wheel. I have the KMC HD Grenade 820’s 18” diameter by 8” width. For anyone looking to down size their wheels at no cost, I’d simply find pilot and Ridgeline owners to trade with. Maybe even charge extra for the trade.
What an honest, awesome review. Thanks! I've been a Subie fan for many years, but they don't build Foresters as I want anymore, so I'm looking at Hondas, and it was your channel that showed me the utility of the Passport vs what I LOVED on first drive: the Ridgeline. In total, in weighing all the different things a vehicle can do, reviews like yours really show a variety of angles that more people should probably check before buying a car. (I'm SO tired of parking beside spotless, lifted Jeeps and 4Runners that have street tires on them). Thanks a ton!
Thanks for the kind words Lorin. I felt the same way, about my Subaru Forester and at the same time, I didn’t want to go back to Toyota Truck life. Everyone I talk to that went Subie to Truck always say “I miss things about my Subaru”. With the Honda, it’s handled better than the truck, not as nimble as the Subaru, but it’s faster and bigger than both.
11:49 That hill is half an hour from where I live :) My Pilot struggled but I did make it. I'm starting to be more and more impressed with how my 07 Pilot does as an overlander. I drove it over Medano Pass in CO today, and was surprised I was the only one not in a Tacoma/4runner or Wrangler. Rough road, had to run at a few spots twice, but overall not too bad. Not to mention it has 240k now. I never would have guessed that it would last this long. I think a Passport may be next on the list!
I bought my Honda passport 2019 touring 7 months ago I am happy, and loving it! Been to Arizona Grand Canyon the road is crazy! But my passport handles it easy...
Just picked my my 2022 passport exl. Got rid of my pickup cause I don’t really use it like I used to and so far no complaints very smooth on road and eats snow during the winter
Well thought out and in-depth analysis as always. You do the internet a real service each time you post a video. Glad to see the missing footage was unearthed!
Great video! I went with a Toyota 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium (has a rear locker, crawl control, multi terrain select) but I did actually did some research on the Passport and considered it. But honestly, came down to having something old school for me with low technology overall for reliability sake. I personally find it comfortable and don’t care about gas mileage and my plans include more severe terrain. All comes down to what you want. Great videos and adventures! I like how you’re making the most of what you have and carving a path for those off road crossover guys who are interested in using their vehicles in a similar manner. Keep on keeping on!
Wow I’ve watched every video I could find as I look at purchasing a 2022 Passport! So grateful to find yours. Your video was far more informative about the why! Thank you!! Now I just have to be patient for prices to drop! 😊
Basically same vehicle, except the Passport is geared better, has a V6 and is bigger (which may be better or worse depending on your preference). The Bronco sport claims they have a locker, but watching videos, it’s just the same “twin clutch rear differential” in vehicles like the Passport/Pilot/Ridgeline and the BMW Msport models. The REAL Bronco will be a completely different beast.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thanks for replying. I am going to have to look into that. I am so intrigued by the passport that I just binge watched your videos. I love your channel and I look forward to more content.
Great video and insights. I appreciate that more people are open to using their crossovers for on more than just pavement. Another alternative vehicle for this is last generation Touareg, 2011-2017. I’ve had 2 of them and drove them very hard both on and off road without any problems and all while being very comfortable. They tow 7700 lbs, I average around 20 mpg for road trips, and with some all terrain tires their full-time AWD system is amazing. Just another good option for those interested.
Matt Green the TH-cam channel TFL bought one. Who would have known how capable that thing is. It has a low gear transfer case and differential lockers and air suspension that gives a lot of ground clearance
JonDZ Adventuring I watch and follow their series as well, the one they bought is the first gen and it’s awesome (I have both a 1st and 2nd gen). For the second gen VW of A took away the transfer case and air suspension, but they retained the AWD system and its more than enough for most people’s needs as well as fits perfectly into the segment your video speaks on. Thanks for the reply, looking forward to more content.
I just watched the video you spoke about earlier today which prompted me to go look and test drive a 2021 Passport elite AWD. Now I too really wanted a Toyota 4Runner and have test drove them a couple of times. I agree with most people, it is sluggish and bad fuel economy. Now back to my Passport test drive from earlier today. OMG! I am in love with that thing. The salesperson gave me the keys and said, see you in a little while, I asked are you not going with me? He says nope you take it and drive it and see how you like it. I’ll meet you when you get back. I am 6’1 and I had to pull the seat up, the fit and finish is luxury and drove ver well on the highway with very little road noise. Well I drive a Honda CR-V so going from that which notorious for loud road noise. I wanted to buy it right then but decided it was best to come home and do more reviews to make a sound design I would be happy about.. I would say just got take it for a drive and make sure it’s the elite, you will want the all wheel drive.
Tim, the rest drove us what really sold me. I didn’t know that it was rated to do 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. I couldn’t believe it was a normally aspirated engine since the Toyota Highlander and 4 runner and other V6 midsized SUVs do 0-60 in 7.5 seconds. Performance was icing on the cake and sealed the deal for me.
You’re very welcome! I made the this video over 5 years ago. It’s still relevant, but one thing I would like to add is that once a vehicle is taken on difficult terrain, there’s much more abuse and an exponentially higher risk of failure… NO MATTER WHAT YOY DRIVE. I now have 164K miles on my 2019 Honda passport. It’s lifted about 5 inches and runs 33” tires. No suspension parts have ever failed because I stick to moderate 4WD trails, and only a few times venture into difficult trails, only after doing a lot of research.
Great presentation. I am currently planning to pick up a 2020 Honda Ridgeline. I do plan do try overlanding with it, and I hope to enjoy the same success as you. Being as off roading is nw to me, I will be learning a lot.
I modified my 2014 Rav4 similarly. My mpg ended up dropping significantly after the modifications so much so that it was getting basically the same mpg as my 2020 Toyota Tacoma. If crossovers stay stock they are great alternatives.
Great video, just picked up my 2021 passport, I was able to fit a set of 17s on the car with some 265/65/17 khumo at51s with zero clearance issues, soon to come is a lift kit and some taller tires.
Vincent Windels the SF is legendary! This is my favorite video of what old Subaru’s can do, it’s a SF just like yours! th-cam.com/video/TmBibFdMIRU/w-d-xo.html
Dreamy haha! Just yesterday I saw a Genesis G70 for the first time. I thought it was some kind of Infiniti. The Infiniti midsize coupe use to be called the G35 and G37, but more recently switched to the Q50. Things are getting confusing 🤣.
Checked out the other two channels testing the Passport. Good Advice from them and you! I still don't have a reason not to get a passport. May be wait for 2025 to show the upgrades from the pilot to show up?
Damn bro, i like how your videos are so informative. Enjoyed this video! But man, it's sad how the CVT issues carried over the 2020 Outback XT, i was looking into that before, i guess i'll continue to stick with my non turbo Forester and enjoy it for a while. I'm definitely looking into getting a truck next time around, i'm short so i'll fit in the Tacoma lol.
Rob Mascarinas I have no idea if the CVT issues will carry over into the 2020 Outback XT, but they’ve carried over into the Ascent which has the same power plant and transmission as the Outback XT, so it’s just a hunch. A really BIG hunch. It’s no surprise that out of all Subaru crossovers, the crosstrek is the most reliable. It has the newer CVT, the smallest engine and it’s the lightest of the Subie crossovers.
Rob Mascarinas me too! I swear, I don’t enjoy hearing about Subaru issues. I still love and respect the brand. I really hope they get back to the glory days. I remember seeing those Subaru adds in the mid 2000’s of their 5.3 second 0-60 time. Back then and even today! That’s some awesome performance!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring yea, it's funny I went the same route you did, I loved my 2011 wrx so much which is why I went with the Forester. Knowing what I know now, I probably would've gotten a Tacoma lol. But gas price would suck.
Rob Mascarinas and you’d be going a similar speed 🤣. Seriously, you paying half the cost in fuel and chose the right Subaru. I would have gladly switched from my FXT to a new Forester with dual Xmode. One thing I don’t like about the turbo and the CVT is the faster I go, I get much much less MPG’s. You won’t have that issue. You have a good ride Rob.
I do enjoy my Passport. I get great mpg, I can out accelerate many suvs, tow 5000, and can do a little off roading. I've accidentally gotten in deep mud, had caked on street tires, and somehow manage to escape. Perfect adventure car for me. I was always a Toyo fan boy, but thought the 4runner accelerated like a broken minivan. I like to drive! Will look forward to any future updates Toyota does. My Perfect vehicle would be 4runner combined with rav4 prime (acceleration and mpg). Right now, that's my Honda.
Thank you JonDZ, because of you I purchased a Passport! Awesome vids sir. American Honda should see them and hopefully send new crossover models to do reviews on.
Video is done absolutely excellent sir, I am a new subscriber as of this video! Very informative I really like how are you integrated other TH-camrs videos on reviews
Thanks for the awesome and honest review. I have a 2019 forester and wanted the Onyx XT so bad. Now i'm happy I have my forester sport =] Nice Passport!
Matthew M you dodge a bullet 😅. Congrats on your ride! The best thing about the 2.5’s is that you can cruise* at higher speeds and not have to worry about MPG’s. Atleast not as much as the turbo models.
To be fair, probably the best option is to not expect any single vehicle to be a Swiss Army Knife, in other words to be all things, for all conditions. This is why I have an Xterra for off road or poor on road weather conditions, and a Mini Cooper with traction and stability control for on road daily driving. In some ways, in light snow on road, the Mini equals or exceeds the Xterra with it's front wheel drive and traction control.
currentsitguy thanks for sharing and that’s exactly what I said at 15:10 😃. If you can own 2 vehicles, having a daily driver and an adventure mobile will be the best option.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Bottom line is I enjoy driving, in any condition or situation. In fact we just imported a JDM Suzuki Cappuccino just for sunny day drives. The Mini is a blast. The Xterra gives you a sense of confidence in almost any condition. The Cappuccino is just a hoot on windy roads, but is the most raw driving experience I've ever had.
John Deasy, once again you show amazing depth in your comments concerning this put `em up or shut `em up topic Your adventures have hypnotized me into thinking I can create a 2019 Ridgeline Sport dream machine. Wish me luck.
I meet so many people that owned a WRX and then eventually some kind of crossover vehicle, hehe. Sounds like we want a vehicle with an above average power plant 😃
I have a 2015 xt and have had 2 cvt leaks. Plan to trade it when we gold warranty expires. Just some info for your viewers: Subaru issued a 10 year 100k warranty on this model year to address the issue regardless of ownership. Doesn't fix the problem, but at least Subaru acknowledged it. Love my XT but am trading for a passport in the next 2 years! Great video
Jacob L thanks! I took my FXT in for the bell housing leak issue in at 32k miles. Many of the repairs were covered under warranty, and I’m glad they extended the warranty. MYbe that’s why I’m not salty about the whole thing 😃. Im sure the tone of my videos would be different if I Subaru didn’t cover the repair. So good on them for that! Since Subaru discontinued the XT, I feel that the passport is the new FXT. It just comes in a bigger package. Shockingly bigger. I didn’t realize how big this thing is until after owning it for a while. Haha! So, Just a little tip for you, the Passport comes in two tire widths, the bottom 2 trims come with 245mm wide tires and the upper trims come with 265mm wide tires. The difference in road handling is night and day between a stock Passport with 245/50R20’s and my modified passport with a 2 inch lift and 265/65R18’s. My modified passport handles so much better.
Well done video and pretty much nailed all the points that many people don't consider, especially those that buy body on frame vehicles and rarely or never take them offroad. I guess for a lot of people the pros and cons and practical decision doesn't really matter though because they mostly want the truck for the image. Anyway funny how I have pretty much followed a similar path as you with vehicle choices. Had a couple WRX's including a 2012 hatch before I went with my first Forester XT because like you I started doing rough road camping trips and it wasn't quite cutting it. Also as I think you know I had my CVT replaced on my 14 XT around 120k miles. Went through a similar thought process as you feeling it was a ticking time bomb, but wasn't happy with any other vehicle offerings at the time and didn't want to be stuck with a truck for a daily considering I drive 30k mostly highway miles a year. Ended up just getting an a new 18 XT because I was totally happy with everything about the car besides the CVT reliability, but I heard they had made some improvements to the internals and even if this one fails I take comfort in knowing Subaru will warranty it. If that does happen I will probably trade in for a Honda Passport as you have me pretty much sold on it with your videos and honest reviews.
Thanks dustin boone 🙏! Yeah, I can say with confidence that most people that purchase 4runners and Jeeps don’t even take them off-road. It’s not even a 60/40 split. It really is about a 90/10 split. There’s a large percentage of people I see on Southern California trails that have the custom black/yellow license plates. Its a good indicator of someone hits dirt or not, and there’s waaaaaaaay too many body on frame trucks and SUV’s with regular white and blue plates 🤣. Then theres the people daring enough to take their Subaru crosstreks up black diamond trails that end up trashing them because the only way to get up difficult obstacles is with momentum, and momentum can be dangerous. Those people eventually move into serious off-roaders. I find people on the trails will generally categorize into two categories. The overlander/carcamper type and the day tripper/wheelin off-roader Type. Two different mind sets. I’m personally the overlander type. According to the overland journal, they define overlanding as: “Overlanding describes self-reliant adventure travel to remote destinations where the journey is the primary goal. ... While expedition is defined as a journey with a purpose, overlanding sees the journey as the purpose. Overlanding is about exploration, rather than conquering obstacles.” So, this also means that fuel efficient off-road capable crossovers can make for a decent overlander here in the USA. Sorry for my novel of a comment reply. The last thing I want to say is that we really did follow a similar path in vehicles! Actually, I followed your Forester XT build. I saw your XT and I wanted one just like it! Then I saw your video’s on TH-cam and I wanted that lifestyle. Thanks for the inspiration!!!!
I was trying to decide between a 4Runner and an Outback, but you have opened my eyes to the Passport. Truthfully, I love the way the 4Runner drives and am totally smitten with the looks. But, it does suck sacrificing both MPG and on-road performance. I work from home so my trips are mostly around town for groceries, but we do like to do longer roads trips and I want to incorporate some light offroading into those trips.
Shawn Powell you should watch some of my other videos that showcase what the Honda iVTM4 awd can do. This is a totally different system that’s found in the HRV and CRV and I wouldn’t have known about its capabilities if I wasn’t watching TFL and Driving Sports TV. I have linked videos to those channels in this video description.
So glad I found this video!! I’m debating between the Honda passport, Subaru Forester, and outback. I don’t do much off roading but I would like to have the option but I do a lot of driving so mpg is important to me. I’m considering the Honda Passport now
Hey JonDZ, found your channel today. Going to try a 1.5" lift and 31.5" tires on my CX9 next month. Will see if I can emulate similar success you had back when you had 2" of lift.
@@6ixthstage845 the vehicles will differ quite a bit. A CX-9 has a 15.3:1 crawl ratio (right where the Subaru Outback Wilderness is) and open front/rear diff. The Passport has a 20.4:1 crawl ratio an open front diff, but a twin clutch rear diff that tries to emulate a locker. Like the Passport the CX-9 has a real automatic though, and that is a good thing to have! I think you can take it far. My guess is that where ever an Outback wilderness can make it, you can too and then some. Let me know how it goes!
My bestie got a Passport Touring on Jan 31. She was one of the first in the country to get one. She traded in her Grand Cherokee and she doesn’t regret it one bit. I love her Passport. There are a few small changes I wish Honda did. But overall it’s a great SUV.
As someone who's about to purchase a sr5 4runner, I feel like the best thing to do for MY type of "overlanding" is add a locker and maybe some normal sized tires on stock suspension. That will keep the MPG pretty good and limit the modifications. I know the e-locker is a huge upgrade, but I feel like it's worth it if you're going exploring alone. I honestly thing those two mods would get me everywhere I'd want to go. Thank you for the video. Very informative and eye opening. I chose the 4runner because I only drive about 10 miles per day and when I do travel to explore, I want the ABILITY to take more technical trails.
B Thames sounds like the 4 runner is perfect for you. Will you be getting the TRD off-road? It’ll have a factory locker. If you keep everything factory, that thing will last a long long time.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring No, I found a 2018 sr5 with 40k miles for 25 grand. Going to add a Harrop E-locker and still have a couple of thousand left over to get tires/bilstein's. I'll probably keep the bilstein's at the stock position....MAY go to 1 inch lift in front.
I was in a similar position earlier this year. I do a lot of highway driving. But the locations I get to are muddy and rutted, or rocky with train track crossings or filled with terrible potholes. A few times a year I also need to tow a trailer/vehicle in excess of 5,500lbs. I was looking for a truck at first(Tundra TRD, Chevrolet TrailBoss) but the Mrs. wanted an SuV/Crossover for our future family. We drive to Colorado a few times a year as well, to visit do some overlanding/camping on her family's land. Due to the tow I needed a SuV over a crossover. Due to the family needs, I needed a three row. We ended up at a lightly used Toyota Sequoia TRD Sport from Arizona. I've never gotten stuck or had to worry about reliability. Only con was fuel economy. If I'm straight highway its 17.5-18.5 But if I am stuck in Houston traffic, it's more like 12-13. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for sharing! It sounds like you have a fitting SUV for your family. Also, I bet Texas gas is waaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper than Cali gas! What are you guys paying over there? Lately, it's been anywhere from $4.00 - $5.00.
This was one of the first videos I made with my Honda Passport, check out my more current videos. Honestly, I would pass on the Outback wilderness, id choose between: Passport, 4runner, Bronco, Explorer timberline, new Jeep Grand Cherokee. Figure out if onroad or offroad is more important to you.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Appreciate the recommendations. Going to stick with Honda or Toyota for reliability reasons...the CVT in the Outback is starting to become a concern. Been watching more of your videos and a lot of your reasoning behind the Passport aligns with mine - I plan on spending most of the time on paved roads and maybe 15-20% of my time on trails. Really enjoyed your recent videos on the upcoming Trailsport - do you think it's worth holding out for the updated Passport?
@@tsubodzuka what did you go with? I’m on the same hunt. Love the outback but it now looks like I either have to go old auto trans or something different.
Thanks for the excellent review video👊🏾 and deep dive into your previous vehicle history! I've been considering a Highlander as my daily driver in Boulder, CO; until today when I stumbled into these revamped passport options... I had a '96 Isuzu rodeo (stick) & '03 Forester (stick) already and have trashed 2 '08 Rogue CVTs reaching 210K... I spend every other weekend snowboarding or hiking/camping and want something that's mpg friendly and comfy for my 65 mile commute to Denver!? I'll be test driving this vehicle very soon... I was considering the Ridgeline previously but feel the SUV is most practical for my needs & budget🤔 currently I'm driving '12 Civic, while I decide on my next real purchase to support my outdoor enthusiasm! Thanks and continued success building your channel😇
Andrew, sounds like we have similar interests! I’ve been meaning to do a “How to Ski bum” video. I like the SUV body style because I’ll just setup my bed in the Passport and sleep in the back after snow boarding. The Passport gets good gas mileage for what it is (a nearly full sized vehicle) because of cylinder deactivation. But being a big V6 powered vehicle, stop and go city driving won’t yield the best MPGs, but because of the close ratio gearing not too bad either. It definitely has some balls to get you through some sketchy snowy terrain though. Check out my latest snow videos.
The Honda Passport sold to the guy who has been reviewing this vehicle for the last 6 months, now I am ready to go with the Honda Passport AWD [Touring | Elite].
I own a 2019 crosstrek, I am hopeful that the Cvt will not cut out on me. I was looking at Jeeps and I really wanted a Tacoma or 4 Runner but I was really looking to get into something that got better gas mileage. I miss the power I had but, I couldnt ask for a better daily driver that is capable for some minor off road. I mean I traded an 11 Mustang gt with over 400 HP for the it. I took it to an ORV park here in Texas and aside for the scratches the car did amazing. I plan on doing some overlanding in the future.
brucehawk09 you have Subaru’s most reliable crossover with a CVT. You also have the newer TR580 transmission. The same transmission that’s in a bigger and heavier Outback 2.5. You are 500 lbs lighter! The engine is also small enough to keep you out of trouble. I think you’re going to be okay. I still hang out with the MtnRoo and there’s a guy with a 1st gen Crosstrek that has 190k miles on his without needing a CVT replacement. Like mentioned in this video, I don’t think the non turbo Subaru’s have as much to worry about. Enjoy your ride! You made a good choice! If I could do this video again, I’d talk more about my observations between NA Subaru’s vs. Turbo Subaru’s. My friends with NA Subaru’s have far less issues with their rides.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks man, I am enjoying the car so far. I only have 6500 miles on it though. Every video I've seen abut the crosstrek makes me happy with my choice. They are capable cars. I average about 26 MPG which I am happy for considering my Mustang was only averaging 18-19 MPG driving normally with some spirited driving lol.
brucehawk09 I tried to hint that I felt the 2.5 CVT Subaru’s were better off-road in my “do you need a turbo forester?” Video. th-cam.com/video/ecBqbeqQVVw/w-d-xo.html Wow! 300 likes, but 70 dislikes. Many people didn’t like what I was trying to tell them.
Thanks for this, man. I’m thinking about trading in my 2015 accord for a 4Runner but in my heart I knew I didn’t want to sacrifice on road handling. It’s the Passport for me then
Edward Venegas test drive a JL 4 door Wrangler. All you’d need is a sport model. On-road handling is pretty amazing for a front and rear solid axle vehicle. But... then there’s that questionable reliability. Well, with the driving I do, I can’t say the Honda will last longer. Something to think about. I regret not test driving a JL, but at the same time I’m super happy with the passport. Especially after learning I can disconnect my rear sway bars and increase my wheel articulation by 50%. Such an easy disconnect too! Takes literally 5 seconds to unbolt them.
I choose a 2008 Land Rover Range Rover sport SC. I bought back in 03/2017. This vehicle comes standard with 20in road tires but can easily be fitted with All Terrain or Mud Tires. It came with an air suspension for raising the height off road. (That in itself was a night mare initially because I had to replace it) but now it is working perfectly. i do not have to drive this vehicle as my daily driver but I do every other week to keep it running well. I like its capabilities on and off road and it's ability to handle the daily commute regardless of the weather here in Kansas.
maintainer747 nice ride!! If you watch TFL then you know they traded in their Land Rover Defender for a LR4. They did a walk around of the vehicle and it looks like a nice ride. So I believe the “SC” stands for super charged? That thing must have what we call in California “Cajones”! 🏀🏀
@@JonDZ_Adventuring yes it does 390 horsepower at 5,750 rpm and 410 pound-feet of torque at 3,500 rpm.climb up anything...I am not much of a rock crawler because I haven't fitted any rock sliders yet.
UPDATE: Jan 2021 - Funny enough, I had seen Driving Sports TV channel. In July of 2020, he reviewed an Outback and went up that one hill you mentioned that some have trouble making it over. the Subaru with X-Mode was able to do it. He also did a review of (his wife's!!) Subaru Crosstrek with the 2.5L engine on his channel on about Sept of 2020. Those videos are what ultimately helped me to decide on getting a Crosstrek. I haven't yet, but plan to later this year. - Your video was an excellent break down of why to get a certain car/CUV/4x4 - I came to similar conclusions recently. - In my case, I had a daily driver 2008 Yaris that gets 34 MPG regularly, and on the side a 1996 Jeep Cherokee 4x4. I initially only had the Yaris and wanted to hit some trails with it. Hence, the Off Road Yaris channel on YT. :) Quickly saw its limitations and was saving for upgrades. Decided instead of modifying the Yaris, I spent the money on the Jeep. Less money and way more capable. 5 years later, my step daughter is licensed and looking to get a car. Unfortunately, I need to make room. Sold off the Jeep. But I still want to hit the trails!!! Enter, the CUV. I figured I can get some mild 4wd trails AND decent MPGs with one vehicle, a Subaru. Two birds, one stone. - Anyway, great video. Good explanation and break down. Thank you
Love your videos Jon, one thing I think you forgot to mention is snow commuting. I think if you are someone who lives in a snow area and the vehicle is your commuting/fun vehicle you are better off with FWD biased AWD than 4x4 engage like in the Wrangler. As 4x4 manual engage you constantly need to try and determine when to use it and if you use it when you really don't need it you wear out the driveline prematurely and if you accidently don't have it on and hit an ice spot you spin yourself out as you are in a rear wheel drive machine at that point. In this case the Passport is a better option as long as it delivers the fun you want. Unfortunately I guess we can't have the best of both worlds, but maybe so still with two motors in the rear hybrid systems?
@kartboarder22g you bring up a good point! When I would drive the FJ Cruiser choosing when to engage 4WD high was always always an hard decision. When popping into 4H, 30% of engine power is lost, and it was very noticeable, especially at altitude. I totally forgot about that!
Great video thanks for sharing your personal experience. I too have traveled down a long road of vehicles ownership. Current Have a 2013 Mazdaspeed 3. Have had the same issue since I got it. It has a ton of power but when o gas it in 3rd/4th all my check engine light come on and I loose all acceleration and have to coast to the side of the road. Then I turn my car off and wait about 5 minutes and start my car and it usually clear up. Super annoying, I have took it to Mazda. Few times and they say they can’t repeat it BS. My was s all stock. I was about the get the WRX when I got the Mazda and said I don’t need the AWD (one of the stupidest things I e ever said). Regret it. But now that I’m many years older and I’m into trucks and want a 4WD vehicle for all weather conditions I’m looking to get into a new vehicle. I’m currently looking at the Forrester Sport and Ridgeline. We have had a Pilot for about 15 years and NEVER had a problem besides normal maintenance. I really like the New Ranger and Frontier. But I don’t like that this vehicles don’t have back seat vents. I have a dog and kids and need back seat vents. I may also consider the an F150 withy eh base V6. I really don’t want a Turbo engine which why I did not include the Outback. I’ll keep you posted on what happens. I don’t plan to do much off roading but might with my new vehicle.
I could not “highly” recommend the Forester sport. Many of my friends have them, and they’re moving onto other vehicles. I wouldn’t exactly vote against it though, but you might have a similar experience as your Mazda.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thank you for the words. But it sucks to here. At this point I do want a reliable vehicle over most things besides 4WD. I think the Ridgeline and and Passport are in the lead.
@@ajfam871 it also sucks that there really aren’t any good reliable and capable entry level options. The CRV and HRV aren’t capable, and won’t be reliable when pushing them to the limits all the time. An AWD Passport, Ridgeline Pilot start at $33K.
One other thing to consider is what your daily drive looks like. I drive a 4Runner but my daily driving is under 20 miles. With a 23 gallon tank it’s still almost 3 weeks between fill ups. One other thing, good suspension fixes the numb steering. I’m glad you love your passport. I’m sure I’ll see you out there.
Thanks! I’ve made this video about 4 years ago, and it’s still relevant today. My Honda has received a number of upgrades since, and it’s been awesome and reliable!
Great video. This shows how capable off-road-oriented crossovers are these days and how much we don’t need another car to do ~95% of what off-road SUVs go through in real life. Even stock MDX and Pilot are great overlanding vehicles with minimal modification and understand its limitations. I would also point out that the space efficiency of off-road-oriented crossovers, which provides more significant cabin space vs. external vehicle size. I enjoyed the video!
Great video! Very informative. You are making me feel better about my purchase! I always had an Odyssey, but couldn't go on dirt roads, for the shitty ground clearance. I decided to get the Passport, over a 4Runner, because of the gas mileage, but have been bummed about the low pro tires. I think I'm going to do what you did, and lift it, and get 18" off road tires. Do you really think I'll have to make room, for them, like you did? Yikes!
Hey Cindy, I responded to your other comment. Where are you located by the way? I have 2 guys located in California that can help you fit larger tires without trimming the wheel well, and you can fit a 30.5” tire with minimal rubbing. I currently run 33” tires, but it takes a combination of bringing the axle forward (like with a Traxda axle relocation kit) and some trimming.
THANK YOU THANK YOU for posting this video. I have been looking at trading in my 2015 Lincoln MKC 2.0 AWD for something more "off roady" if you will. And had narrowed down my choices to a used 2018 Ford Explorer Platinum. Or now a brand new 2022 Honda Passport. Granted I LOVE the sonic gray pearl color on the Trailsport but i DO NOT like an all black interior. Which is why i am stuck with most likely getting an obsidian blue with grey leather combo. They REALLY need to offer the gray leather option in the Trailsport i think it would make the orange logos and contrast stitching POP...!!! Also, like yourself i am NOT into CVT's as they can be nightmares. And i knew Honda was going that route when i had been looking at a CRV. However, when the Passport got my attention with it's 280hp and 9 speed automatic i fell in love. Plus, it's not as gargantuan as the Ford Explorer yet has nearly the same amount of cargo space and will most likely last A LOT longer. So again, THANK YOU for taking the time to put this video together it solidified my decision on the Passport. And for those folks out there that get an EX-L or Elite trim and don't like the stock OEM 20in tires. You can easily switch them out for 275/45/20 which will give you more sidewall and through on some General Grabber AT3's and you should be overlanding with confidence.
I like exploring (overlanding?) and have never gotten stuck with my CX-5 AWD and 8.5" ground clearance (2014). It averages 32 mpg (no worse than 27 mpg around town). I'm 6'2" and have slept in it, diagonally (rear seat down, of course). It's been a reasonable compromise.
Great Info. I've own Subaru WRX and sold it and really love the AWD. Except it capable to go off-roading. I bought Santa Fe Hyundai 2001 and this year decided to go 4Runner TRD Off-Road Premium 2020. I have yet to see much trail, very little so far but can't wait 2021 to go off trailing.
Fantastic video. Wish I had seen it when I was earlier in the new vehicle process. Given your size I can certainly see why you went for the Honda - that thing was roomy. Also very peppy, nice interior / features. I was excited about it but when I drove it for some reason underwhelmed. Had not considered the mods you were able to do... how did they affect the road manners? In the end I kept coming back to the 4runner. Not sure how its going to be coming from a 2 door Civic but will find out next week when it's in. I dont drive far to work and so am not too worried about gas. Actually found a plus on the 4runner vs passport was width of the vehicle. IIRC the 4runner is about 2 inches more slender. I did also get the KDSS which should help around town. I love the little fiji blue 6 speed civic si I am upgrading from. In the end I think I just wanted something unique and interesting to follow it up with so I am going with a barcelona red 4runner. If I dont like driving a truck in the long run at least it will hold its value. EDIT - just checked passport is just shy of 3 inches wider. Lots of tight parking jobs in my life.
Was thinking of a full size SUV need to tow 20'- 22' boat, Passport is impressive and will be a nice daily driver and offroad capable with some modifications. Just not sure about towing.
Tom Fairbourn thanks! I was getting comments from people telling me that that they were choosing the Honda Passport over the 4Runner or Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. I wanted to do the responsible thing, I wanted to make sure those people were making the right choice for the right reasons. With the exception of TFL and Driving Sports TV, I don’t think many automotive publications have an accurate take on the off-road capabilities of crossovers and body on frame 4WD’s. For example, Edmunds keeps comparing crosstreks & jeeps and foresters & 4runners 🤣🤣🤣.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Agreed it's not apples to apples. I'm in the Utah desert and trying to decided if I could pull off a Passport over the full size trucks I've always had still not sure but would love the softer ride. thanks again for your info.
I had Impreza outback sport 2007 wagon. I live in the northeast so you know it’s snows crazy here. Automatic, and it burned oil and got 22mpg average. As much as a full size truck. Got rid of that thing in two years. I want a Tacoma. Fits me well. I want a Ridgeline for what I need to use it for. Winter, Vacation, and towing my track car. I did have a 04 CRV 5spd AWD and yes I do agree with you with manual off-road. I did have my CRV lifted an inch and added taller off-road tires. Didn’t rub or anything. Went off-road well but older car, bought it from ohio(big mistake) and reliability issues in the 5 months of owning it. I sold it and got a Acura TSX wagon, for now, till I can afford my Ridgeline .
I settled on a 2018 Pathfinder 4x4 for many of the reasons you stated. It's mainly a daily driver but when I venture out it's usually to the nearby Sierra Nevada mountain range..Mariposa, Yosemite, Bass Lake etc and the many fire roads in the area. I'm not trying to go hardcore off roading but I do enjoy taking the backroads to explore. It's a CVT but I have not had any issues with it. I'd like a little more ground clearance for peace of mind but I'm ok as is. They only thing I have added are a set of slightly taller tires (Nitto Nomad Grapplers) which have been a huge improvement. I know my limitations, I don't try to do more than I know my vehicle is capable of.
My build has come a long way. Since making this video, I’ve driven to the top of the 13,114 ft. Imogene Pass (Jeep badge of honor trail), and completed all 9 miles of Fins N things South and North. It’s turned out to be much more than I could have ever imagined. The 2022 Pathfinder is now very similar to the Honda Pilot/Passport. It has the same ZF9 transmission and a twin clutch rear differential.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring i can tell you have put alot of dedication into it. Looks great and it's obviously very capable. I was looking into a '22 but i definitely want something with lift options. I believe a 4runner might be my next buy.
Enjoy your channel - I have a Passport and take it to many awesome places too. I have to point out one small error. At about 1:06 you describe one of the cons of on-road oriented crossovers as "part time/low capability AWD systems." The terminology "part time" denotes 4x4 systems that are meant to be used part of the time. 4x4 high and 4x4 low on most truck and body-on-frame SUVs are part time systems. Some are optioned with the ability to use 4x4 all the time - when engaged, this is would be called full time 4x4. Since most Hondas and all Subarus (with the exception of the BRZ) are in AWD all the time, I'd call them full time systems. Just semantics, I guess.
Thanks! Part time is also used in AWD terminology. It’s a generic term for a non full time system, just like a land cruiser Prado would be a full-time 4WD system and a Honda Passport would be a full time AWD system. A Toyota Tacoma will have a part time 4WD system and a Honda CRV will have a part time (or reactive) AWD system.
JonDZ Adventuring I believe, unless the Passport has different brakes than the Pilot, the Pilot (and by extension the Passport) can use 17” wheels, as that is what the spare size is.
Excellent video. I was going to buy a 4-Runner but I didn't like the way it handled like a truck on the freeway. It also couldn't handle corners and mountain curve like a car. Tacoma was my other choice but it was too long to fit into my garage. I test drove a 2019 RDX but didn't like the turbo, CVT, or the info system. So I traded my 2014 CRV AWD for a 2018 RDX AWD. I just wished it had the SH-AWD. I would have considered the 2019 Passport if I knew it would come out. However, I wished it had the same arm rest and seats like he MDX. Also, I didn't like the black trim and the 20 inch wheels.
Such an intelligent and pragmatic approach to vehicle selection, brother! A moron like me just goes out and buys what's shiny on a whim! lol. Cheers! (although your Moab close-call with Borderline made my butt clinch just a little-little bit! lol).
Hey I just discovered your channel and found this video really informative. I find it interesting that the Tacoma didn’t have a comfortable seating position for you. My dad leased a 2017 trd sport at that time and he’s 6’3 and about 235 pounds and he was just fine. As was I sitting right behind him at 5’10. We got rid of it about a year and a half later of course because the ride quality was atrocious (my 2 door wrangler rides better) and it had the dreaded gear hunting issues that was a common issue on the 2017s.
I have really big legs and hips from cycling, so I have a much taller seating position than people my height. I agree. I drove the new JL wrangler, and it does handle much better than a Toyota truck. It’s the consensus that the seating position and onroad handling isn’t so good on the Toyota trucks. Hopefully that will be improved with the Toyotas on the all new platform.
I have been reviewing your videos for the passport. Great information!! This along with Driving Sports TV have been an invaluable resource for me in researching a new car, especially the passport. Are there any suggestions or surprising things you found that people should be mindful of when selecting new wheels, say if they decide to go with a lift kit and all season tires? I'm looking to dip my toes into the light off-roading, over-landing trips.
James Davis the Passport is a wide vehicle. Surpassingly wide. Like.... just a couple inches from being as wide as a half ton pickup truck kind of wide. Did I tell you it’s wide? 🤣 Well, the good thing is that this vehicles is still agile. It will turn considerably tighter than a midsize pickup truck. Another thing that surprised me, was already covered in this video, from eye balling the wheel wells, I was surprised I couldn’t fit 2 inch taller tire without having to trim my wheel well. Auto stop/start is a liability on the trails. It disables hill hold. So when stopped on a steep hill, the moment you let off the gas you’ll roll backwards. So, it’s important to remember to disable auto stop/start when on a trail. The Passport comes with a dinky donut spare. You’ll have to figure out how to mount a full size spare. You only have two options: the roof (in either a basket or a large box like I have) or a rear hitch tire carrier. Oh, another thing. I have the EX-L trim, but for $2200 more I wish I would have purchased the touring trim. The main reason is the acoustic side window glass. I’m very happy with how quiet the cabin is, but I see that I could have been “Bose noise cancellation head phone” quiet. Another thing, The first thing I’d do in a new passport is turn off lane keep assist. It’s a button to the left of the steering wheel. I found it very intrusive. When within 6 inches of a lanes edge, it will start pulsating to keep you centered. I found myself constantly countering steering and fighting it. I’d leave that driving aid off. Plus, once you drive above 45mph you can activate the self driving assist mode. It’s a little button on the steering wheel next to the cruise control buttons. It smoothly assists in driving for you, it’s pretty awesome. It really helps with driving fatigue.
James Davis okay! Advice about wheels and tires. Get a wheel that has an indentation. Don’t get a street wheel that has the spokes stick outs. They will get thrashed on the trail. For overlanding duty, you’ll want to go with an all terrain tire. I’d recommend mountain snow flake rated tires, like the Falken Wildpeak AT3 or Trail. The Hankook Dynapro AT2. I personally have Cooper Discovery AT3 4S. There’s the trusty BFG KO2, but they are super heavy. Tires are a sensitive subject in the car world. But my honest recommendation would by the falken wildpeak AT3’s. Side wall height is pretty important. The lowest profile wheel you can run is 18 inches with the exception of one 17 inch wheel that you can only buy from Jsport USA. If you have the cash 💵, I’d go with that wheel. Oh, I forgot to mention skid plates. It’s the most important investment! $350 will buy you peace of mind you won’t puncture your oil pan or damage your transmission. The engine and transmission actually sit side by side in the engine bay, so the one skid plate will protect both.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring well actually all that information is awesome as well!! I did hear about the auto start/stop it's unfortunate that it can't be permanently disabled. I just wanted make sure there wasn't any pitfalls when selecting wheels. Jsport has that package but a little pricey and the wheels have a recess where water can collect, not a fan of that.
I agree with you about the Tacoma, I fortunately am 5’10 and around 200 and I fit just fine in mine with a little extra room but anything more and I can definitely see it being a tight squeeze. Your pilot looks 👌🏻 have fun out there adventuring.
Hello I owned a 2007 Mitsubishi outlander with a 2 inch lift and 255 55 18 AT tyres toyo open country 2. For me it s the perfect combo between roads and off roads.
4:15 check out the trans american trail, ridebdr, and gpsKevin. Thousands of miles of trail. Ridebdr and gpsKevin are dual sport routes, but 99% of it can be done with a 4x4.
I live in MD, I have done most of the mid atlantic BDR and parts of gpskevins GEAR. Most advice I can give you in a small box is there will be trail closures on GEAR so prepare to navigate, and the section of mabdr between leaving washington state forest and entering michaux is a full day of 80% paved. That said I regret nothing 😊
Awesome content and I really appreciate your attention to details. The Honda i-VTM4 system really seems slept on and the Passport feels like what the GX460 was several years back when people started snatching them up at greatly reduced prices to overland. I think I've found a 2021 Passport sport with really low miles and I need a car, (totaled my beloved 1991 4runner 5MT with 320k miles about a year ago). Ready to step into the future and don't really want to pay the 4runner tax with the way the economy is. Definitely will go with the first step of the no lo skid plate and initially will probably just size the wheel down to 18 with an AT tire at first to give just a bit more clearance. Maybe in a year take a look at the 3.5" lift kit. What 18" wheels do you like as a starting point? I don't want any rubbing of any kind so will go with a tire size under 30" and under 10". Thanks for the blazing the trail for all of us and figuring out what works and what doesn't.
The real difference between a proper off roader bar none, is a low range transfer case. Off roading at slow speeds without a low range is extremely hard on engine and transmission. I love me trouble free 04 Jeep Liberty. Very capable. Its nick name is Trusty Stead. 175k miles and I see 23 miles per gallon with it. If the transmission or engine goes out, I will buy an new engine or transmission even if $5k. Can't buy anything like this simple, bare bones capable vehicle today. Yeah, I am old school, but I think that is a wise in today's bells and whistles.
Aaron Aaron thanks for sharing. It’s nice to hear about the details about your rig. A lot of these rigs that aren’t so popular are pretty much forgotten about in a sea of 4runners, Wranglers and Subaru’s. I agree about the low gear gear transfer case, but I also see articulation being such a big factor in an off-roaders capabilities. Some crossovers, Like my passport and the Jeep trailhawk versions of the Jeep renegade and compass have very aggressive 1st gears providing a 20:1 crawl ratio. The Acura RDX has a 22:1 crawl. While it’s not like a 36:1 crawl ratio in a 4Runner, it’s game changing in the crossover world. My 4 inches of travel really limits my Passport.
I'm considering my next purchase and see stiff competition between the Jeep Grand Cherokee, VW Atlas Cross Sport, and Honda Passport. I want something capable for the occasional dirt road and snowy day but don't have any major rock crawling on the horizon. I need roomy. I'm almost 6 1/2 tall and big, too. Even half-ton pickups are often not roomy enough. I see some pros and cons in all 3. Roominess is adequate across the board. On the VW, I like the exterior styling, ample cabin space, and the fact that it runs a VR6. The Jeep has the most upscale interior of the 3, is properly RWD-biased, and would likely outperform the others off the pavement. Honda's reputation for quality, value, and reliability definitely outshines both the others. The cons for each are pretty much the other way around... Jeep less roomy, reliability a question mark. Honda's styling isn't quite as flashy as the others (not bad, though... 4's to the competition's 5's). VW... Similar story to the jeep on expected quality, reliability, long term value. I had ChatGPT write an article comparing the 3 and it pretty much said the same. 😄
I agree with your assessment. I’d drop the VW because it’s the least capable offroad and not the best onroad. The new 2023 Honda Pilot is best onroad and middle of the pack for off-road capability compared to a 4WD Grand Cherokee, but it’ll be better suited compared to the base model grand Cherokees. The Grand Cherokees have the option for more powerful and hybrid power trains and if you get the Grand Cherokee L, it would be the biggest available. These midsized Hondas are suppose to be the most reliable Hondas. I have 120K on my odometer (130K actual because of taller tires) and it’s like brand new.
RedLineBandits yeah. I don’t understand why 20’s are the only wheels offered when the pilot and Ridgelines have them. Honda doesn’t even market their iVTM4 awd system. I wonder if they know how awesome It is.
My fave off-road vehicle so far has been the Mitsubishi Montero. It's a shame they don't sell it in the US any more. I took it off-road with some friends in Wranglers, and it outdid them in MPG. I also never left AWD mode.
Ed Matulac thanks for sharing! The Montero looks like a solid vehicle. I really think now is the perfect time for a company like Mitsubishi to rejoin the off-road party. That’s awesome that they get good gas mileage. I researched the last model of the Montero a while back and saw that they came with a 3.5L V6 and got up to 22 highway and weighs the same as my passport. That’s pretty darn good for a vehicle from the mid 2000’s. 👍. I also saw a Montero club 2 years back. They handled the trail easily.
I like your videos because you ask questions that most of us are interested in and keep this off-roading thing in perspective for a one car fits all category. Personally, I’ve never driven a lifted Jeep that felt safe and controllable on the Highway as a passenger car would be. Having owned Outback’s before I bought a 2017 and in stock configuration have taken it places the Jeepers looked at me like ‘how did that thing get here?!’ So I do have 2 questions I hope you can answer bc this is not your most recent video ; * Is the CVT in my 17’ Outback one of the bad ones ? * When backing up on trail, is there a way to shut off collision avoidance ? It slams on the ABS for sagebrush and if it sees road .. Thanks for the great channel bro. So many people do this and are just never going to have modded out purpose built Jeep’s etc !
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***ATTENTION*** A few days after releasing this video, I spontaneously met up with two friends and I realized it was the perfect opportunity to do a Comparison test between my 2019 Honda Passport, a 2nd Gen Nissan Xterra and an Acura MDX. I was personally surprised by the results. Here's the video:
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Sadly Donald have to get a new SUV because someone killed his SUBARU_FORESTER
I have seen dozens (hundreds?) of car review videos over the years and yours is one of the best. It contextualized the Passport within its market-niche and its proposed uses in a very helpful way. Well done!
Just got a passport and Im absolutely in love it. Engine power definitely stands out and it doesn’t feel like a numb crossover. The ground clearance is good enough for anyone who wants to do light off roading. Amazing car.
I like how you said “if you never go off road” and you show a wrangler with 22” inch wheels and low profile tires haha
Jon, really nice work, no polemics, just personal reflections aired with an open mind. refreshing! Drove the Passport, great rig, your channel is really helpful in assessing what it can do. Keep up the good work and travel safe.
Northstar7 thanks 🙏 for the kind words.
I bought a passport elite about 2 weeks ago and love it!
nathan watson congratulations! 🍾
I just got a 2023 Honda passport as a daily driver and have a 2016 GX 460. I guess I am good for both on road and off road :). Planning to do some crazy stuff on my GX. Super impressed with the ride and handling of the passport!!
I’ve been watching your videos on and off all year. I found you when I was searching for comparisons between some of the Honda products and super products. Yesterday we decided to pull the trigger on our new adventure Mobile when the dealer called and said they had one in our color available. We now on a 2022 Honda passport Trail sport. 60 miles on it so far, so far so good.
Congratulations! I hope your new Honda treats you well. I’m sitting on 120k miles now, and it’s still going strong.
First thing I would do it buy a front skid plate to protect the engine oil pan and transmission. I have a 5% discount on Nolo Designs. I remember when I first bought my Passport, I was driving it up a steep snowy hill and I hit a fallen rock that was hidden under the snow. Lucky, I hit the front jacking point, but it gave me a heart attack.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thanks for the advice. Unfortuently I have to wait a while to replenish funds before I can afford the extras. My msrp was 43k plus dealer addons. They surely raised msrp since you’re purchase.
What are the other key adjustments/upgrades I should put on my shortlist for springtime?
(Or if you have a video describing those things already, link it?)
That’s a common question! So every year I pay $160 for my informational question to more easily answer people 😃. crossoverlanding.com/honda-overland-build
The only thing to think about is the lift kit. With my discount code, you can buy the Traxda 2” kit for $300 or the 3.5” kit for 1200, but you also have to factor in the cost for installation, which will be anywhere from $800 to $1200, regardless of what kit you have installed, so I highly recommend the 3.5” kit because the extra money you spend goes into parts that lower the subframe, which gives the drive train better geometry. The extra height also keeps your vehicle further away from trail damage.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring beautiful. I appreciate that! That lift is certainly on the list for this spring.
Happy trails!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring oh, Jon, one more question. I’ve not come across a video where you speak about this yet: your Matte paint job. Is that a wrap, Plastidip, enamel paint? What did you do there?
Edit: I just randomly came across the video where you introduced the newly wrapped passport. That answers my question.
How is the wrap holding up and protecting the paint?
I like the Passport because it hits just the right balance of onroad comfort and offroad capability.
That’s why I like it 😃
Hi Jon, loved your video! I came across this video at the right time as I keep going back and forth on what type vehicle I want to get or to stay with what I have currently. Right now I have a 2002 Jeep TJ with only 98,000 miles on it and a 2005 Lexus GX470 with 175,000 on it. I bought the Jeep a year ago and had a 2012 2dr Honda Civic at the time which I loved due to it's great gas mileage and reliability. My idea was to keep both and have the jeep as my summertime cruising vehicle that I could get lifted and put bigger tires on. Well after watching many hours of videos of jeeps on TH-cam I discovered the world of overlanding which I quickly embraced as the rockcrawling aspect of Jeeps didn't really interest me. After a lot of research on overlanding I realized the small TJ with crappy gas mileage wasn't an ideal vehicle for what I wanted to do. So I started looking at 4th gen 4runners which is where I discovered the GX470s and fell in love and had have one for my future overlander. In September I traded in my Honda and got the Lexus which I love but for the little time I have owned it it has shown its wear and is now in my garage on Jack stands to do work on it. Recently I have been thinking about cutting my losses on both of those and just getting a new vehicle. I've been looking at the TRD offroad 4runners and now recently with Jeep and it's new diesel engine. Then tonight I started watching videos on the Honda Passport which reallly intrigues me a lot. I retire in 10 years and plan on leaving Western NY and traveling the country overlanding so I want to get the right vehicle and have it payed off by the time I retire. Sorry for long story...it probably could of been longer!
Roco2273 don’t be sorry about the long story, That’s a tough and complicated decision you have.
My Honda Passport has more than exceeded my expectations, but I honestly can’t expect it to last me more than 10 years as an overland vehicle. It might go 20 years, but it’s just not a proven platform like your Lexus GX’s J150 platform. Neither is the Jeep JL, especially with the eco diesel.
It sounds like what you are looking for the most is long term reliability and longevity and a Toyota product is most likely to give you that. A Honda Passport makes the best daily driver out of all your choices and will give you 5-7 better mpg at 70mph than a 4Runner. It’s onroad handling and comfort will rank highest of the 3.
A Jeep JL with an eco diesel will by far be the most fuel efficient. It’s rated to get 29 mph highway which is almost double what a 4 runner would really get.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks for the advise Jon...you're absolutely right on everything you said! I was at my Toyota dealership today to pick up some parts for my Lexus and was talking the parts guy and he kinda reassured me about my truck and how that should last me forever and recommended a frame shop that could fix my rusty frame if need be. So I think I'm gonna stick with my Lexus and put the money in to it and get it to what I want it to be as an overland rig. Thanks again for putting all your time into your response!
Got mine and love it. Cant wait to take it in the snow. Thanks for your insight a few months ago
Howard Griner I cant wait to take this thing back to the snow with my Cooper Discovery AT3 4S tires. I hear they are amazing for snow and mud.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Im keeping mine stock so I'll appreciate your wheel setup
Howard Griner you can go as low as an 18 inch wheel. I have the KMC HD Grenade 820’s 18” diameter by 8” width. For anyone looking to down size their wheels at no cost, I’d simply find pilot and Ridgeline owners to trade with. Maybe even charge extra for the trade.
What an honest, awesome review. Thanks! I've been a Subie fan for many years, but they don't build Foresters as I want anymore, so I'm looking at Hondas, and it was your channel that showed me the utility of the Passport vs what I LOVED on first drive: the Ridgeline. In total, in weighing all the different things a vehicle can do, reviews like yours really show a variety of angles that more people should probably check before buying a car. (I'm SO tired of parking beside spotless, lifted Jeeps and 4Runners that have street tires on them). Thanks a ton!
Thanks for the kind words Lorin. I felt the same way, about my Subaru Forester and at the same time, I didn’t want to go back to Toyota Truck life. Everyone I talk to that went Subie to Truck always say “I miss things about my Subaru”. With the Honda, it’s handled better than the truck, not as nimble as the Subaru, but it’s faster and bigger than both.
11:49 That hill is half an hour from where I live :) My Pilot struggled but I did make it.
I'm starting to be more and more impressed with how my 07 Pilot does as an overlander. I drove it over Medano Pass in CO today, and was surprised I was the only one not in a Tacoma/4runner or Wrangler. Rough road, had to run at a few spots twice, but overall not too bad. Not to mention it has 240k now. I never would have guessed that it would last this long. I think a Passport may be next on the list!
I bought my Honda passport 2019 touring 7 months ago I am happy, and loving it! Been to Arizona Grand Canyon the road is crazy! But my passport handles it easy...
Thanks for sharing this...
Just picked my my 2022 passport exl. Got rid of my pickup cause I don’t really use it like I used to and so far no complaints very smooth on road and eats snow during the winter
Well thought out and in-depth analysis as always. You do the internet a real service each time you post a video. Glad to see the missing footage was unearthed!
Awwwwww, thanks Buddy! By the way, what are you doing Veteran's day weekend?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Hmmmm...wasn't planning to travel, but...hmmm.
Great video! I went with a Toyota 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium (has a rear locker, crawl control, multi terrain select) but I did actually did some research on the Passport and considered it. But honestly, came down to having something old school for me with low technology overall for reliability sake. I personally find it comfortable and don’t care about gas mileage and my plans include more severe terrain. All comes down to what you want.
Great videos and adventures! I like how you’re making the most of what you have and carving a path for those off road crossover guys who are interested in using their vehicles in a similar manner. Keep on keeping on!
Absolutely best and honest review great job boss
Wow I’ve watched every video I could find as I look at purchasing a 2022 Passport! So grateful to find yours. Your video was far more informative about the why! Thank you!!
Now I just have to be patient for prices to drop! 😊
Hi Dennis. What did u end up buying. Me too am inclined to buy a 2020 Honda Pilot
Never thought of the Passport, but I am considering it. Originally I was going with the Bronco Sport. Great video.
Basically same vehicle, except the Passport is geared better, has a V6 and is bigger (which may be better or worse depending on your preference). The Bronco sport claims they have a locker, but watching videos, it’s just the same “twin clutch rear differential” in vehicles like the Passport/Pilot/Ridgeline and the BMW Msport models. The REAL Bronco will be a completely different beast.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring thanks for replying. I am going to have to look into that. I am so intrigued by the passport that I just binge watched your videos. I love your channel and I look forward to more content.
go for Honda HRV
Thanks for this video. Highly comprehensive. I will be getting a Passport.
Adedamola ADEOGUN I love mine! Stay tuned for more videos about how I’ve made this into an awesome adventure mobile.
Great video and insights. I appreciate that more people are open to using their crossovers for on more than just pavement. Another alternative vehicle for this is last generation Touareg, 2011-2017. I’ve had 2 of them and drove them very hard both on and off road without any problems and all while being very comfortable. They tow 7700 lbs, I average around 20 mpg for road trips, and with some all terrain tires their full-time AWD system is amazing. Just another good option for those interested.
Matt Green the TH-cam channel TFL bought one. Who would have known how capable that thing is. It has a low gear transfer case and differential lockers and air suspension that gives a lot of ground clearance
JonDZ Adventuring I watch and follow their series as well, the one they bought is the first gen and it’s awesome (I have both a 1st and 2nd gen). For the second gen VW of A took away the transfer case and air suspension, but they retained the AWD system and its more than enough for most people’s needs as well as fits perfectly into the segment your video speaks on. Thanks for the reply, looking forward to more content.
I just watched the video you spoke about earlier today which prompted me to go look and test drive a 2021 Passport elite AWD. Now I too really wanted a Toyota 4Runner and have test drove them a couple of times. I agree with most people, it is sluggish and bad fuel economy. Now back to my Passport test drive from earlier today. OMG! I am in love with that thing. The salesperson gave me the keys and said, see you in a little while, I asked are you not going with me? He says nope you take it and drive it and see how you like it. I’ll meet you when you get back. I am 6’1 and I had to pull the seat up, the fit and finish is luxury and drove ver well on the highway with very little road noise. Well I drive a Honda CR-V so going from that which notorious for loud road noise. I wanted to buy it right then but decided it was best to come home and do more reviews to make a sound design I would be happy about.. I would say just got take it for a drive and make sure it’s the elite, you will want the all wheel drive.
Tim, the rest drove us what really sold me. I didn’t know that it was rated to do 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. I couldn’t believe it was a normally aspirated engine since the Toyota Highlander and 4 runner and other V6 midsized SUVs do 0-60 in 7.5 seconds. Performance was icing on the cake and sealed the deal for me.
Thanks for your advice! This has been the closest to perfect advice so far....
You’re very welcome! I made the this video over 5 years ago. It’s still relevant, but one thing I would like to add is that once a vehicle is taken on difficult terrain, there’s much more abuse and an exponentially higher risk of failure… NO MATTER WHAT YOY DRIVE. I now have 164K miles on my 2019 Honda passport. It’s lifted about 5 inches and runs 33” tires. No suspension parts have ever failed because I stick to moderate 4WD trails, and only a few times venture into difficult trails, only after doing a lot of research.
Great presentation. I am currently planning to pick up a 2020 Honda Ridgeline. I do plan do try overlanding with it, and I hope to enjoy the same success as you. Being as off roading is nw to me, I will be learning a lot.
I modified my 2014 Rav4 similarly. My mpg ended up dropping significantly after the modifications so much so that it was getting basically the same mpg as my 2020 Toyota Tacoma. If crossovers stay stock they are great alternatives.
Yes Yes Yes i sit here in rainy Germany and tune in JonDZ... Thanks a lot for this new Video!!!
Standheizungen Rehbein hello 👋!! It’s still sunny here 😎 in California/USA.
Great video, just picked up my 2021 passport, I was able to fit a set of 17s on the car with some 265/65/17 khumo at51s with zero clearance issues, soon to come is a lift kit and some taller tires.
Good comparison video Jon. Now it would be even more difficult for me to change my old SF for something newer...so I keep what I have !
Vincent Windels the SF is legendary! This is my favorite video of what old Subaru’s can do, it’s a SF just like yours!
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Vincent Windels I’m not sure if my Honda Passport could do that. I’d be too scared to find out.
For a second I thought SF stood for the Hyundai Santa Fe.
Dreamy haha! Just yesterday I saw a Genesis G70 for the first time. I thought it was some kind of Infiniti. The Infiniti midsize coupe use to be called the G35 and G37, but more recently switched to the Q50. Things are getting confusing 🤣.
Checked out the other two channels testing the Passport. Good Advice from them and you! I still don't have a reason not to get a passport. May be wait for 2025 to show the upgrades from the pilot to show up?
Damn bro, i like how your videos are so informative. Enjoyed this video! But man, it's sad how the CVT issues carried over the 2020 Outback XT, i was looking into that before, i guess i'll continue to stick with my non turbo Forester and enjoy it for a while. I'm definitely looking into getting a truck next time around, i'm short so i'll fit in the Tacoma lol.
Rob Mascarinas I have no idea if the CVT issues will carry over into the 2020 Outback XT, but they’ve carried over into the Ascent which has the same power plant and transmission as the Outback XT, so it’s just a hunch. A really BIG hunch.
It’s no surprise that out of all Subaru crossovers, the crosstrek is the most reliable. It has the newer CVT, the smallest engine and it’s the lightest of the Subie crossovers.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring for Subarus sake, I sure hope not.
Rob Mascarinas me too! I swear, I don’t enjoy hearing about Subaru issues. I still love and respect the brand. I really hope they get back to the glory days. I remember seeing those Subaru adds in the mid 2000’s of their 5.3 second 0-60 time. Back then and even today! That’s some awesome performance!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring yea, it's funny I went the same route you did, I loved my 2011 wrx so much which is why I went with the Forester. Knowing what I know now, I probably would've gotten a Tacoma lol. But gas price would suck.
Rob Mascarinas and you’d be going a similar speed 🤣. Seriously, you paying half the cost in fuel and chose the right Subaru. I would have gladly switched from my FXT to a new Forester with dual Xmode. One thing I don’t like about the turbo and the CVT is the faster I go, I get much much less MPG’s. You won’t have that issue. You have a good ride Rob.
I have the Honda Passport Touring, watched a lot of your videos before my purchase. Saving up for bigger tires
Jsanc750 it’s a good ride! Giving it more height, makes a big difference.
I do enjoy my Passport. I get great mpg, I can out accelerate many suvs, tow 5000, and can do a little off roading. I've accidentally gotten in deep mud, had caked on street tires, and somehow manage to escape. Perfect adventure car for me. I was always a Toyo fan boy, but thought the 4runner accelerated like a broken minivan. I like to drive! Will look forward to any future updates Toyota does. My Perfect vehicle would be 4runner combined with rav4 prime (acceleration and mpg). Right now, that's my Honda.
Thank you JonDZ, because of you I purchased a Passport! Awesome vids sir. American Honda should see them and hopefully send new crossover models to do reviews on.
Video is done absolutely excellent sir, I am a new subscriber as of this video! Very informative I really like how are you integrated other TH-camrs videos on reviews
Ty 🙏
Thanks for the awesome and honest review. I have a 2019 forester and wanted the Onyx XT so bad. Now i'm happy I have my forester sport =] Nice Passport!
Matthew M you dodge a bullet 😅. Congrats on your ride! The best thing about the 2.5’s is that you can cruise* at higher speeds and not have to worry about MPG’s. Atleast not as much as the turbo models.
I know this is an old video, but do you remember how much the lift kit and tires hurt your fuel mileage. Love the video. I'm about to get a passport
To be fair, probably the best option is to not expect any single vehicle to be a Swiss Army Knife, in other words to be all things, for all conditions. This is why I have an Xterra for off road or poor on road weather conditions, and a Mini Cooper with traction and stability control for on road daily driving. In some ways, in light snow on road, the Mini equals or exceeds the Xterra with it's front wheel drive and traction control.
currentsitguy thanks for sharing and that’s exactly what I said at 15:10 😃. If you can own 2 vehicles, having a daily driver and an adventure mobile will be the best option.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Bottom line is I enjoy driving, in any condition or situation. In fact we just imported a JDM Suzuki Cappuccino just for sunny day drives. The Mini is a blast. The Xterra gives you a sense of confidence in almost any condition. The Cappuccino is just a hoot on windy roads, but is the most raw driving experience I've ever had.
John Deasy, once again you show amazing depth in your comments concerning this put `em up or shut `em up topic Your adventures have hypnotized me into thinking I can create a 2019 Ridgeline Sport dream machine. Wish me luck.
This is fascinating, I had almost the same vehicle journey as you including the WRX and Fa20 XT complete with major problems.
I meet so many people that owned a WRX and then eventually some kind of crossover vehicle, hehe. Sounds like we want a vehicle with an above average power plant 😃
I have a 2015 xt and have had 2 cvt leaks. Plan to trade it when we gold warranty expires. Just some info for your viewers: Subaru issued a 10 year 100k warranty on this model year to address the issue regardless of ownership. Doesn't fix the problem, but at least Subaru acknowledged it. Love my XT but am trading for a passport in the next 2 years! Great video
Jacob L thanks! I took my FXT in for the bell housing leak issue in at 32k miles. Many of the repairs were covered under warranty, and I’m glad they extended the warranty. MYbe that’s why I’m not salty about the whole thing 😃. Im sure the tone of my videos would be different if I Subaru didn’t cover the repair. So good on them for that!
Since Subaru discontinued the XT, I feel that the passport is the new FXT. It just comes in a bigger package. Shockingly bigger. I didn’t realize how big this thing is until after owning it for a while. Haha!
So, Just a little tip for you, the Passport comes in two tire widths, the bottom 2 trims come with 245mm wide tires and the upper trims come with 265mm wide tires. The difference in road handling is night and day between a stock Passport with 245/50R20’s and my modified passport with a 2 inch lift and 265/65R18’s. My modified passport handles so much better.
Well done video and pretty much nailed all the points that many people don't consider, especially those that buy body on frame vehicles and rarely or never take them offroad. I guess for a lot of people the pros and cons and practical decision doesn't really matter though because they mostly want the truck for the image. Anyway funny how I have pretty much followed a similar path as you with vehicle choices. Had a couple WRX's including a 2012 hatch before I went with my first Forester XT because like you I started doing rough road camping trips and it wasn't quite cutting it.
Also as I think you know I had my CVT replaced on my 14 XT around 120k miles. Went through a similar thought process as you feeling it was a ticking time bomb, but wasn't happy with any other vehicle offerings at the time and didn't want to be stuck with a truck for a daily considering I drive 30k mostly highway miles a year. Ended up just getting an a new 18 XT because I was totally happy with everything about the car besides the CVT reliability, but I heard they had made some improvements to the internals and even if this one fails I take comfort in knowing Subaru will warranty it. If that does happen I will probably trade in for a Honda Passport as you have me pretty much sold on it with your videos and honest reviews.
Thanks dustin boone 🙏! Yeah, I can say with confidence that most people that purchase 4runners and Jeeps don’t even take them off-road. It’s not even a 60/40 split. It really is about a 90/10 split. There’s a large percentage of people I see on Southern California trails that have the custom black/yellow license plates. Its a good indicator of someone hits dirt or not, and there’s waaaaaaaay too many body on frame trucks and SUV’s with regular white and blue plates 🤣. Then theres the people daring enough to take their Subaru crosstreks up black diamond trails that end up trashing them because the only way to get up difficult obstacles is with momentum, and momentum can be dangerous. Those people eventually move into serious off-roaders.
I find people on the trails will generally categorize into two categories. The overlander/carcamper type and the day tripper/wheelin off-roader Type. Two different mind sets. I’m personally the overlander type. According to the overland journal, they define overlanding as:
“Overlanding describes self-reliant adventure travel to remote destinations where the journey is the primary goal. ... While expedition is defined as a journey with a purpose, overlanding sees the journey as the purpose. Overlanding is about exploration, rather than conquering obstacles.”
So, this also means that fuel efficient off-road capable crossovers can make for a decent overlander here in the USA.
Sorry for my novel of a comment reply. The last thing I want to say is that we really did follow a similar path in vehicles! Actually, I followed your Forester XT build. I saw your XT and I wanted one just like it! Then I saw your video’s on TH-cam and I wanted that lifestyle. Thanks for the inspiration!!!!
I was trying to decide between a 4Runner and an Outback, but you have opened my eyes to the Passport. Truthfully, I love the way the 4Runner drives and am totally smitten with the looks. But, it does suck sacrificing both MPG and on-road performance. I work from home so my trips are mostly around town for groceries, but we do like to do longer roads trips and I want to incorporate some light offroading into those trips.
Shawn Powell you should watch some of my other videos that showcase what the Honda iVTM4 awd can do. This is a totally different system that’s found in the HRV and CRV and I wouldn’t have known about its capabilities if I wasn’t watching TFL and Driving Sports TV. I have linked videos to those channels in this video description.
So glad I found this video!! I’m debating between the Honda passport, Subaru Forester, and outback. I don’t do much off roading but I would like to have the option but I do a lot of driving so mpg is important to me. I’m considering the Honda Passport now
Hey JonDZ, found your channel today. Going to try a 1.5" lift and 31.5" tires on my CX9 next month. Will see if I can emulate similar success you had back when you had 2" of lift.
@@6ixthstage845 the vehicles will differ quite a bit. A CX-9 has a 15.3:1 crawl ratio (right where the Subaru Outback Wilderness is) and open front/rear diff. The Passport has a 20.4:1 crawl ratio an open front diff, but a twin clutch rear diff that tries to emulate a locker. Like the Passport the CX-9 has a real automatic though, and that is a good thing to have!
I think you can take it far. My guess is that where ever an Outback wilderness can make it, you can too and then some. Let me know how it goes!
My bestie got a Passport Touring on Jan 31. She was one of the first in the country to get one. She traded in her Grand Cherokee and she doesn’t regret it one bit. I love her Passport. There are a few small changes I wish Honda did. But overall it’s a great SUV.
What she didn't like about the grand Cherokee? I'm thinking on getting one
As someone who's about to purchase a sr5 4runner, I feel like the best thing to do for MY type of "overlanding" is add a locker and maybe some normal sized tires on stock suspension. That will keep the MPG pretty good and limit the modifications. I know the e-locker is a huge upgrade, but I feel like it's worth it if you're going exploring alone. I honestly thing those two mods would get me everywhere I'd want to go. Thank you for the video. Very informative and eye opening. I chose the 4runner because I only drive about 10 miles per day and when I do travel to explore, I want the ABILITY to take more technical trails.
B Thames sounds like the 4 runner is perfect for you. Will you be getting the TRD off-road? It’ll have a factory locker. If you keep everything factory, that thing will last a long long time.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring No, I found a 2018 sr5 with 40k miles for 25 grand. Going to add a Harrop E-locker and still have a couple of thousand left over to get tires/bilstein's. I'll probably keep the bilstein's at the stock position....MAY go to 1 inch lift in front.
B Thames oh I see. Good find!
I was in a similar position earlier this year. I do a lot of highway driving. But the locations I get to are muddy and rutted, or rocky with train track crossings or filled with terrible potholes. A few times a year I also need to tow a trailer/vehicle in excess of 5,500lbs.
I was looking for a truck at first(Tundra TRD, Chevrolet TrailBoss) but the Mrs. wanted an SuV/Crossover for our future family. We drive to Colorado a few times a year as well, to visit do some overlanding/camping on her family's land.
Due to the tow I needed a SuV over a crossover. Due to the family needs, I needed a three row.
We ended up at a lightly used Toyota Sequoia TRD Sport from Arizona. I've never gotten stuck or had to worry about reliability. Only con was fuel economy. If I'm straight highway its 17.5-18.5
But if I am stuck in Houston traffic, it's more like 12-13.
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for sharing! It sounds like you have a fitting SUV for your family. Also, I bet Texas gas is waaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper than Cali gas! What are you guys paying over there? Lately, it's been anywhere from $4.00 - $5.00.
Thought I was ready to pull the trigger on the Outback Wilderness, but I need to give the Passport a look.
This was one of the first videos I made with my Honda Passport, check out my more current videos. Honestly, I would pass on the Outback wilderness, id choose between: Passport, 4runner, Bronco, Explorer timberline, new Jeep Grand Cherokee. Figure out if onroad or offroad is more important to you.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Appreciate the recommendations. Going to stick with Honda or Toyota for reliability reasons...the CVT in the Outback is starting to become a concern. Been watching more of your videos and a lot of your reasoning behind the Passport aligns with mine - I plan on spending most of the time on paved roads and maybe 15-20% of my time on trails. Really enjoyed your recent videos on the upcoming Trailsport - do you think it's worth holding out for the updated Passport?
@@tsubodzuka what did you go with? I’m on the same hunt. Love the outback but it now looks like I either have to go old auto trans or something different.
I bought a Ridgeline in February. This was after allot of research. I wanted the truck bed use along with what I think is the best AWD system for me.
This video has been very useful to me since I'm interested in purchasing a Honda Passport w/off road capability. Thank you very much !!! subscribed !
Thanks for the excellent review video👊🏾 and deep dive into your previous vehicle history! I've been considering a Highlander as my daily driver in Boulder, CO; until today when I stumbled into these revamped passport options... I had a '96 Isuzu rodeo (stick) & '03 Forester (stick) already and have trashed 2 '08 Rogue CVTs reaching 210K... I spend every other weekend snowboarding or hiking/camping and want something that's mpg friendly and comfy for my 65 mile commute to Denver!? I'll be test driving this vehicle very soon... I was considering the Ridgeline previously but feel the SUV is most practical for my needs & budget🤔 currently I'm driving '12 Civic, while I decide on my next real purchase to support my outdoor enthusiasm! Thanks and continued success building your channel😇
Andrew, sounds like we have similar interests! I’ve been meaning to do a “How to Ski bum” video.
I like the SUV body style because I’ll just setup my bed in the Passport and sleep in the back after snow boarding. The Passport gets good gas mileage for what it is (a nearly full sized vehicle) because of cylinder deactivation. But being a big V6 powered vehicle, stop and go city driving won’t yield the best MPGs, but because of the close ratio gearing not too bad either. It definitely has some balls to get you through some sketchy snowy terrain though. Check out my latest snow videos.
Great content Bro. Keep it up.
Juan Pablo Granillo thanks!
Thanks for the videos man. Just got a Cherokee trailhawk with that lowrange an locker.
Wolverine nice! That’s a good ride! 56:1 crawl ratio and a real rear locker is legit!
The Honda Passport sold to the guy who has been reviewing this vehicle for the last 6 months, now I am ready to go with the Honda Passport AWD [Touring | Elite].
I own a 2019 crosstrek, I am hopeful that the Cvt will not cut out on me. I was looking at Jeeps and I really wanted a Tacoma or 4 Runner but I was really looking to get into something that got better gas mileage. I miss the power I had but, I couldnt ask for a better daily driver that is capable for some minor off road. I mean I traded an 11 Mustang gt with over 400 HP for the it. I took it to an ORV park here in Texas and aside for the scratches the car did amazing. I plan on doing some overlanding in the future.
brucehawk09 you have Subaru’s most reliable crossover with a CVT. You also have the newer TR580 transmission. The same transmission that’s in a bigger and heavier Outback 2.5. You are 500 lbs lighter!
The engine is also small enough to keep you out of trouble. I think you’re going to be okay. I still hang out with the MtnRoo and there’s a guy with a 1st gen Crosstrek that has 190k miles on his without needing a CVT replacement. Like mentioned in this video, I don’t think the non turbo Subaru’s have as much to worry about. Enjoy your ride! You made a good choice! If I could do this video again, I’d talk more about my observations between NA Subaru’s vs. Turbo Subaru’s. My friends with NA Subaru’s have far less issues with their rides.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks man, I am enjoying the car so far. I only have 6500 miles on it though. Every video I've seen abut the crosstrek makes me happy with my choice. They are capable cars. I average about 26 MPG which I am happy for considering my Mustang was only averaging 18-19 MPG driving normally with some spirited driving lol.
brucehawk09 I tried to hint that I felt the 2.5 CVT Subaru’s were better off-road in my “do you need a turbo forester?” Video.
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Wow! 300 likes, but 70 dislikes. Many people didn’t like what I was trying to tell them.
JonDZ Adventuring You should pin a comment mentioning this in this video’s Comment section! NA Subaru for reliability! Turbo Subaru for speed!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring LOL I drove one when I was car shopping, they are pretty zippy.
Thanks for this, man. I’m thinking about trading in my 2015 accord for a 4Runner but in my heart I knew I didn’t want to sacrifice on road handling. It’s the Passport for me then
Edward Venegas test drive a JL 4 door Wrangler. All you’d need is a sport model. On-road handling is pretty amazing for a front and rear solid axle vehicle. But... then there’s that questionable reliability. Well, with the driving I do, I can’t say the Honda will last longer. Something to think about. I regret not test driving a JL, but at the same time I’m super happy with the passport. Especially after learning I can disconnect my rear sway bars and increase my wheel articulation by 50%. Such an easy disconnect too! Takes literally 5 seconds to unbolt them.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring can you make a video about how to do that
@@firstnamelastname9661 I did 😃
I choose a 2008 Land Rover Range Rover sport SC. I bought back in 03/2017. This vehicle comes standard with 20in road tires but can easily be fitted with All Terrain or Mud Tires. It came with an air suspension for raising the height off road. (That in itself was a night mare initially because I had to replace it) but now it is working perfectly. i do not have to drive this vehicle as my daily driver but I do every other week to keep it running well. I like its capabilities on and off road and it's ability to handle the daily commute regardless of the weather here in Kansas.
maintainer747 nice ride!! If you watch TFL then you know they traded in their Land Rover Defender for a LR4. They did a walk around of the vehicle and it looks like a nice ride. So I believe the “SC” stands for super charged? That thing must have what we call in California “Cajones”! 🏀🏀
@@JonDZ_Adventuring yes it does 390 horsepower at 5,750 rpm and 410 pound-feet of torque at 3,500 rpm.climb up anything...I am not much of a rock crawler because I haven't fitted any rock sliders yet.
UPDATE: Jan 2021 - Funny enough, I had seen Driving Sports TV channel. In July of 2020, he reviewed an Outback and went up that one hill you mentioned that some have trouble making it over. the Subaru with X-Mode was able to do it. He also did a review of (his wife's!!) Subaru Crosstrek with the 2.5L engine on his channel on about Sept of 2020. Those videos are what ultimately helped me to decide on getting a Crosstrek. I haven't yet, but plan to later this year. - Your video was an excellent break down of why to get a certain car/CUV/4x4 - I came to similar conclusions recently. - In my case, I had a daily driver 2008 Yaris that gets 34 MPG regularly, and on the side a 1996 Jeep Cherokee 4x4. I initially only had the Yaris and wanted to hit some trails with it. Hence, the Off Road Yaris channel on YT. :) Quickly saw its limitations and was saving for upgrades. Decided instead of modifying the Yaris, I spent the money on the Jeep. Less money and way more capable. 5 years later, my step daughter is licensed and looking to get a car. Unfortunately, I need to make room. Sold off the Jeep. But I still want to hit the trails!!! Enter, the CUV. I figured I can get some mild 4wd trails AND decent MPGs with one vehicle, a Subaru. Two birds, one stone. - Anyway, great video. Good explanation and break down. Thank you
Love your videos Jon, one thing I think you forgot to mention is snow commuting. I think if you are someone who lives in a snow area and the vehicle is your commuting/fun vehicle you are better off with FWD biased AWD than 4x4 engage like in the Wrangler. As 4x4 manual engage you constantly need to try and determine when to use it and if you use it when you really don't need it you wear out the driveline prematurely and if you accidently don't have it on and hit an ice spot you spin yourself out as you are in a rear wheel drive machine at that point. In this case the Passport is a better option as long as it delivers the fun you want. Unfortunately I guess we can't have the best of both worlds, but maybe so still with two motors in the rear hybrid systems?
@kartboarder22g you bring up a good point! When I would drive the FJ Cruiser choosing when to engage 4WD high was always always an hard decision. When popping into 4H, 30% of engine power is lost, and it was very noticeable, especially at altitude. I totally forgot about that!
Great video thanks for sharing your personal experience. I too have traveled down a long road of vehicles ownership.
Current Have a 2013 Mazdaspeed 3. Have had the same issue since I got it. It has a ton of power but when o gas it in 3rd/4th all my check engine light come on and I loose all acceleration and have to coast to the side of the road. Then I turn my car off and wait about 5 minutes and start my car and it usually clear up. Super annoying, I have took it to Mazda. Few times and they say they can’t repeat it BS. My was s all stock. I was about the get the WRX when I got the Mazda and said I don’t need the AWD (one of the stupidest things I e ever said). Regret it. But now that I’m many years older and I’m into trucks and want a 4WD vehicle for all weather conditions I’m looking to get into a new vehicle. I’m currently looking at the Forrester Sport and Ridgeline. We have had a Pilot for about 15 years and NEVER had a problem besides normal maintenance. I really like the New Ranger and Frontier. But I don’t like that this vehicles don’t have back seat vents. I have a dog and kids and need back seat vents. I may also consider the an F150 withy eh base V6. I really don’t want a Turbo engine which why I did not include the Outback. I’ll keep you posted on what happens. I don’t plan to do much off roading but might with my new vehicle.
I could not “highly” recommend the Forester sport. Many of my friends have them, and they’re moving onto other vehicles. I wouldn’t exactly vote against it though, but you might have a similar experience as your Mazda.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thank you for the words. But it sucks to here. At this point I do want a reliable vehicle over most things besides 4WD. I think the Ridgeline and and Passport are in the lead.
@@ajfam871 it also sucks that there really aren’t any good reliable and capable entry level options. The CRV and HRV aren’t capable, and won’t be reliable when pushing them to the limits all the time. An AWD Passport, Ridgeline Pilot start at $33K.
Very nice review. Was seriously considering the Toyota 4Runner but will now take a close look at the Honda Passport.
One other thing to consider is what your daily drive looks like. I drive a 4Runner but my daily driving is under 20 miles. With a 23 gallon tank it’s still almost 3 weeks between fill ups. One other thing, good suspension fixes the numb steering. I’m glad you love your passport. I’m sure I’ll see you out there.
I have a 2015 Forester XT right now and am concerned about the transmission, thanks for the info, I think I’ll be trading it in now
Have a 2016 outback...yeah I'm careful with the transmission. Very light off-road.
Thank you very much. By far the most informative video!!
Thanks! I’ve made this video about 4 years ago, and it’s still relevant today. My Honda has received a number of upgrades since, and it’s been awesome and reliable!
Great summation man! Honest and concise. Keep it up.
Thanks Benjamin 🙏!
Great video. This shows how capable off-road-oriented crossovers are these days and how much we don’t need another car to do ~95% of what off-road SUVs go through in real life. Even stock MDX and Pilot are great overlanding vehicles with minimal modification and understand its limitations.
I would also point out that the space efficiency of off-road-oriented crossovers, which provides more significant cabin space vs. external vehicle size.
I enjoyed the video!
Great video! Very informative. You are making me feel better about my purchase! I always had an Odyssey, but couldn't go on dirt roads, for the shitty ground clearance. I decided to get the Passport, over a 4Runner, because of the gas mileage, but have been bummed about the low pro tires. I think I'm going to do what you did, and lift it, and get 18" off road tires. Do you really think I'll have to make room, for them, like you did? Yikes!
Hey Cindy, I responded to your other comment. Where are you located by the way? I have 2 guys located in California that can help you fit larger tires without trimming the wheel well, and you can fit a 30.5” tire with minimal rubbing. I currently run 33” tires, but it takes a combination of bringing the axle forward (like with a Traxda axle relocation kit) and some trimming.
Really great video. Thanks so much for sharing!
Maybe I missed it but what happened to your MPG after the lift and larger tires?
Thanks
That info is in the lift videos.
THANK YOU THANK YOU for posting this video. I have been looking at trading in my 2015 Lincoln MKC 2.0 AWD for something more "off roady" if you will. And had narrowed down my choices to a used 2018 Ford Explorer Platinum. Or now a brand new 2022 Honda Passport. Granted I LOVE the sonic gray pearl color on the Trailsport but i DO NOT like an all black interior. Which is why i am stuck with most likely getting an obsidian blue with grey leather combo. They REALLY need to offer the gray leather option in the Trailsport i think it would make the orange logos and contrast stitching POP...!!! Also, like yourself i am NOT into CVT's as they can be nightmares. And i knew Honda was going that route when i had been looking at a CRV. However, when the Passport got my attention with it's 280hp and 9 speed automatic i fell in love. Plus, it's not as gargantuan as the Ford Explorer yet has nearly the same amount of cargo space and will most likely last A LOT longer. So again, THANK YOU for taking the time to put this video together it solidified my decision on the Passport. And for those folks out there that get an EX-L or Elite trim and don't like the stock OEM 20in tires. You can easily switch them out for 275/45/20 which will give you more sidewall and through on some General Grabber AT3's and you should be overlanding with confidence.
I just made a newer video that I release this morning titled “why I really chose a Honda Passport”.
I like exploring (overlanding?) and have never gotten stuck with my CX-5 AWD and 8.5" ground clearance (2014). It averages 32 mpg (no worse than 27 mpg around town). I'm 6'2" and have slept in it, diagonally (rear seat down, of course). It's been a reasonable compromise.
Excellent review weighing the pros and cons
Great Info. I've own Subaru WRX and sold it and really love the AWD. Except it capable to go off-roading. I bought Santa Fe Hyundai 2001 and this year decided to go 4Runner TRD Off-Road Premium 2020. I have yet to see much trail, very little so far but can't wait 2021 to go off trailing.
I have very similar car opinions as you do, nice video about thought process
Fantastic video. Wish I had seen it when I was earlier in the new vehicle process.
Given your size I can certainly see why you went for the Honda - that thing was roomy. Also very peppy, nice interior / features.
I was excited about it but when I drove it for some reason underwhelmed. Had not considered the mods you were able to do... how did they affect the road manners?
In the end I kept coming back to the 4runner. Not sure how its going to be coming from a 2 door Civic but will find out next week when it's in. I dont drive far to work and so am not too worried about gas. Actually found a plus on the 4runner vs passport was width of the vehicle. IIRC the 4runner is about 2 inches more slender. I did also get the KDSS which should help around town.
I love the little fiji blue 6 speed civic si I am upgrading from. In the end I think I just wanted something unique and interesting to follow it up with so I am going with a barcelona red 4runner. If I dont like driving a truck in the long run at least it will hold its value.
EDIT - just checked passport is just shy of 3 inches wider. Lots of tight parking jobs in my life.
Thanks Tyler! The FJ cruiser I would drive is very similar to the current 4runner. Same engine, same transmission, It just wasn't for me.
Was thinking of a full size SUV need to tow 20'- 22' boat, Passport is impressive and will be a nice daily driver and offroad capable with some modifications. Just not sure about towing.
Jaime Cabot I’d be Leary of towing anything heavy without a V8 and true low range.
Excellent to be honest I guessed i'd be wasting my time with this Video like most on here, but you did a great job of laying this out.
Tom Fairbourn thanks! I was getting comments from people telling me that that they were choosing the Honda Passport over the 4Runner or Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. I wanted to do the responsible thing, I wanted to make sure those people were making the right choice for the right reasons.
With the exception of TFL and Driving Sports TV, I don’t think many automotive publications have an accurate take on the off-road capabilities of crossovers and body on frame 4WD’s. For example, Edmunds keeps comparing crosstreks & jeeps and foresters & 4runners 🤣🤣🤣.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Agreed it's not apples to apples. I'm in the Utah desert and trying to decided if I could pull off a Passport over the full size trucks I've always had still not sure but would love the softer ride. thanks again for your info.
I had Impreza outback sport 2007 wagon. I live in the northeast so you know it’s snows crazy here. Automatic, and it burned oil and got 22mpg average. As much as a full size truck. Got rid of that thing in two years. I want a Tacoma. Fits me well. I want a Ridgeline for what I need to use it for. Winter, Vacation, and towing my track car. I did have a 04 CRV 5spd AWD and yes I do agree with you with manual off-road. I did have my CRV lifted an inch and added taller off-road tires. Didn’t rub or anything. Went off-road well but older car, bought it from ohio(big mistake) and reliability issues in the 5 months of owning it. I sold it and got a Acura TSX wagon, for now, till I can afford my Ridgeline .
What did you get rob t?
I settled on a 2018 Pathfinder 4x4 for many of the reasons you stated. It's mainly a daily driver but when I venture out it's usually to the nearby Sierra Nevada mountain range..Mariposa, Yosemite, Bass Lake etc and the many fire roads in the area. I'm not trying to go hardcore off roading but I do enjoy taking the backroads to explore. It's a CVT but I have not had any issues with it. I'd like a little more ground clearance for peace of mind but I'm ok as is. They only thing I have added are a set of slightly taller tires (Nitto Nomad Grapplers) which have been a huge improvement. I know my limitations, I don't try to do more than I know my vehicle is capable of.
My build has come a long way. Since making this video, I’ve driven to the top of the 13,114 ft. Imogene Pass (Jeep badge of honor trail), and completed all 9 miles of Fins N things South and North. It’s turned out to be much more than I could have ever imagined. The 2022 Pathfinder is now very similar to the Honda Pilot/Passport. It has the same ZF9 transmission and a twin clutch rear differential.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring i can tell you have put alot of dedication into it. Looks great and it's obviously very capable. I was looking into a '22 but i definitely want something with lift options. I believe a 4runner might be my next buy.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring have you been dealing with any of the common issues that the passport has been having?
What common issues?
Enjoy your channel - I have a Passport and take it to many awesome places too. I have to point out one small error. At about 1:06 you describe one of the cons of on-road oriented crossovers as "part time/low capability AWD systems." The terminology "part time" denotes 4x4 systems that are meant to be used part of the time. 4x4 high and 4x4 low on most truck and body-on-frame SUVs are part time systems. Some are optioned with the ability to use 4x4 all the time - when engaged, this is would be called full time 4x4. Since most Hondas and all Subarus (with the exception of the BRZ) are in AWD all the time, I'd call them full time systems. Just semantics, I guess.
Thanks! Part time is also used in AWD terminology. It’s a generic term for a non full time system, just like a land cruiser Prado would be a full-time 4WD system and a Honda Passport would be a full time AWD system. A Toyota Tacoma will have a part time 4WD system and a Honda CRV will have a part time (or reactive) AWD system.
JonDZ Adventuring I believe, unless the Passport has different brakes than the Pilot, the Pilot (and by extension the Passport) can use 17” wheels, as that is what the spare size is.
Excellent video. I was going to buy a 4-Runner but I didn't like the way it handled like a truck on the freeway. It also couldn't handle corners and mountain curve like a car. Tacoma was my other choice but it was too long to fit into my garage. I test drove a 2019 RDX but didn't like the turbo, CVT, or the info system. So I traded my 2014 CRV AWD for a 2018 RDX AWD. I just wished it had the SH-AWD. I would have considered the 2019 Passport if I knew it would come out. However, I wished it had the same arm rest and seats like he MDX. Also, I didn't like the black trim and the 20 inch wheels.
Such an intelligent and pragmatic approach to vehicle selection, brother! A moron like me just goes out and buys what's shiny on a whim! lol. Cheers! (although your Moab close-call with Borderline made my butt clinch just a little-little bit! lol).
Great video, im looking at a mercury mariner hybrid awd. I live in North Carolina and i just want to do light trails, and camping
Hey I just discovered your channel and found this video really informative. I find it interesting that the Tacoma didn’t have a comfortable seating position for you. My dad leased a 2017 trd sport at that time and he’s 6’3 and about 235 pounds and he was just fine. As was I sitting right behind him at 5’10. We got rid of it about a year and a half later of course because the ride quality was atrocious (my 2 door wrangler rides better) and it had the dreaded gear hunting issues that was a common issue on the 2017s.
I have really big legs and hips from cycling, so I have a much taller seating position than people my height.
I agree. I drove the new JL wrangler, and it does handle much better than a Toyota truck. It’s the consensus that the seating position and onroad handling isn’t so good on the Toyota trucks. Hopefully that will be improved with the Toyotas on the all new platform.
I have been reviewing your videos for the passport. Great information!! This along with Driving Sports TV have been an invaluable resource for me in researching a new car, especially the passport. Are there any suggestions or surprising things you found that people should be mindful of when selecting new wheels, say if they decide to go with a lift kit and all season tires? I'm looking to dip my toes into the light off-roading, over-landing trips.
James Davis the Passport is a wide vehicle. Surpassingly wide. Like.... just a couple inches from being as wide as a half ton pickup truck kind of wide. Did I tell you it’s wide? 🤣
Well, the good thing is that this vehicles is still agile. It will turn considerably tighter than a midsize pickup truck.
Another thing that surprised me, was already covered in this video, from eye balling the wheel wells, I was surprised I couldn’t fit 2 inch taller tire without having to trim my wheel well.
Auto stop/start is a liability on the trails. It disables hill hold. So when stopped on a steep hill, the moment you let off the gas you’ll roll backwards. So, it’s important to remember to disable auto stop/start when on a trail.
The Passport comes with a dinky donut spare. You’ll have to figure out how to mount a full size spare. You only have two options: the roof (in either a basket or a large box like I have) or a rear hitch tire carrier.
Oh, another thing. I have the EX-L trim, but for $2200 more I wish I would have purchased the touring trim. The main reason is the acoustic side window glass. I’m very happy with how quiet the cabin is, but I see that I could have been “Bose noise cancellation head phone” quiet.
Another thing, The first thing I’d do in a new passport is turn off lane keep assist. It’s a button to the left of the steering wheel. I found it very intrusive. When within 6 inches of a lanes edge, it will start pulsating to keep you centered. I found myself constantly countering steering and fighting it. I’d leave that driving aid off. Plus, once you drive above 45mph you can activate the self driving assist mode. It’s a little button on the steering wheel next to the cruise control buttons. It smoothly assists in driving for you, it’s pretty awesome. It really helps with driving fatigue.
James Davis ha! I totally answered your question wronf
James Davis okay! Advice about wheels and tires. Get a wheel that has an indentation. Don’t get a street wheel that has the spokes stick outs. They will get thrashed on the trail. For overlanding duty, you’ll want to go with an all terrain tire. I’d recommend mountain snow flake rated tires, like the Falken Wildpeak AT3 or Trail. The Hankook Dynapro AT2. I personally have Cooper Discovery AT3 4S. There’s the trusty BFG KO2, but they are super heavy. Tires are a sensitive subject in the car world. But my honest recommendation would by the falken wildpeak AT3’s.
Side wall height is pretty important. The lowest profile wheel you can run is 18 inches with the exception of one 17 inch wheel that you can only buy from Jsport USA. If you have the cash 💵, I’d go with that wheel.
Oh, I forgot to mention skid plates. It’s the most important investment! $350 will buy you peace of mind you won’t puncture your oil pan or damage your transmission. The engine and transmission actually sit side by side in the engine bay, so the one skid plate will protect both.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring well actually all that information is awesome as well!! I did hear about the auto start/stop it's unfortunate that it can't be permanently disabled. I just wanted make sure there wasn't any pitfalls when selecting wheels. Jsport has that package but a little pricey and the wheels have a recess where water can collect, not a fan of that.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Awesome!! Fantastic info!! Given me alot of things to digest;)!! Really appreciate the specifics and keep on keeping on!
I would love your experience with the passport in snow. I’m not sure if your area gets it, but here in New England that’s a big deal.
I just released a video for you
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I agree with you about the Tacoma, I fortunately am 5’10 and around 200 and I fit just fine in mine with a little extra room but anything more and I can definitely see it being a tight squeeze. Your pilot looks 👌🏻 have fun out there adventuring.
Hello I owned a 2007 Mitsubishi outlander with a 2 inch lift and 255 55 18 AT tyres toyo open country 2.
For me it s the perfect combo between roads and off roads.
4:15 check out the trans american trail, ridebdr, and gpsKevin. Thousands of miles of trail. Ridebdr and gpsKevin are dual sport routes, but 99% of it can be done with a 4x4.
Christopher Wilson thanks for the recommendations.
I live in MD, I have done most of the mid atlantic BDR and parts of gpskevins GEAR. Most advice I can give you in a small box is there will be trail closures on GEAR so prepare to navigate, and the section of mabdr between leaving washington state forest and entering michaux is a full day of 80% paved. That said I regret nothing 😊
Awesome content and I really appreciate your attention to details. The Honda i-VTM4 system really seems slept on and the Passport feels like what the GX460 was several years back when people started snatching them up at greatly reduced prices to overland.
I think I've found a 2021 Passport sport with really low miles and I need a car, (totaled my beloved 1991 4runner 5MT with 320k miles about a year ago). Ready to step into the future and don't really want to pay the 4runner tax with the way the economy is.
Definitely will go with the first step of the no lo skid plate and initially will probably just size the wheel down to 18 with an AT tire at first to give just a bit more clearance. Maybe in a year take a look at the 3.5" lift kit. What 18" wheels do you like as a starting point? I don't want any rubbing of any kind so will go with a tire size under 30" and under 10".
Thanks for the blazing the trail for all of us and figuring out what works and what doesn't.
Great video. I will be getting the Pilot because of the extra interior space, nice to sleep inside sometimes.
The real difference between a proper off roader bar none, is a low range transfer case. Off roading at slow speeds without a low range is extremely hard on engine and transmission. I love me trouble free 04 Jeep Liberty. Very capable. Its nick name is Trusty Stead. 175k miles and I see 23 miles per gallon with it. If the transmission or engine goes out, I will buy an new engine or transmission even if $5k. Can't buy anything like this simple, bare bones capable vehicle today. Yeah, I am old school, but I think that is a wise in today's bells and whistles.
Aaron Aaron thanks for sharing. It’s nice to hear about the details about your rig. A lot of these rigs that aren’t so popular are pretty much forgotten about in a sea of 4runners, Wranglers and Subaru’s. I agree about the low gear gear transfer case, but I also see articulation being such a big factor in an off-roaders capabilities. Some crossovers, Like my passport and the Jeep trailhawk versions of the Jeep renegade and compass have very aggressive 1st gears providing a 20:1 crawl ratio. The Acura RDX has a 22:1 crawl. While it’s not like a 36:1 crawl ratio in a 4Runner, it’s game changing in the crossover world. My 4 inches of travel really limits my Passport.
I'm considering my next purchase and see stiff competition between the Jeep Grand Cherokee, VW Atlas Cross Sport, and Honda Passport. I want something capable for the occasional dirt road and snowy day but don't have any major rock crawling on the horizon. I need roomy. I'm almost 6 1/2 tall and big, too. Even half-ton pickups are often not roomy enough. I see some pros and cons in all 3. Roominess is adequate across the board. On the VW, I like the exterior styling, ample cabin space, and the fact that it runs a VR6. The Jeep has the most upscale interior of the 3, is properly RWD-biased, and would likely outperform the others off the pavement. Honda's reputation for quality, value, and reliability definitely outshines both the others. The cons for each are pretty much the other way around... Jeep less roomy, reliability a question mark. Honda's styling isn't quite as flashy as the others (not bad, though... 4's to the competition's 5's). VW... Similar story to the jeep on expected quality, reliability, long term value. I had ChatGPT write an article comparing the 3 and it pretty much said the same. 😄
I agree with your assessment. I’d drop the VW because it’s the least capable offroad and not the best onroad. The new 2023 Honda Pilot is best onroad and middle of the pack for off-road capability compared to a 4WD Grand Cherokee, but it’ll be better suited compared to the base model grand Cherokees. The Grand Cherokees have the option for more powerful and hybrid power trains and if you get the Grand Cherokee L, it would be the biggest available. These midsized Hondas are suppose to be the most reliable Hondas. I have 120K on my odometer (130K actual because of taller tires) and it’s like brand new.
I am thinking of the Passport trail with the 2" lift ! Ground clearance is important for me !
Killer info! I appreciate the video! The wife and I are considering a Passport..
I love my wife’s passport. The awd system is amazing. It’s a shame they come on 20 inch wheels. Really holds it back.
RedLineBandits yeah. I don’t understand why 20’s are the only wheels offered when the pilot and Ridgelines have them. Honda doesn’t even market their iVTM4 awd system. I wonder if they know how awesome
It is.
My fave off-road vehicle so far has been the Mitsubishi Montero. It's a shame they don't sell it in the US any more. I took it off-road with some friends in Wranglers, and it outdid them in MPG. I also never left AWD mode.
Ed Matulac thanks for sharing! The Montero looks like a solid vehicle. I really think now is the perfect time for a company like Mitsubishi to rejoin the off-road party. That’s awesome that they get good gas mileage. I researched the last model of the Montero a while back and saw that they came with a 3.5L V6 and got up to 22 highway and weighs the same as my passport. That’s pretty darn good for a vehicle from the mid 2000’s. 👍. I also saw a Montero club 2 years back. They handled the trail easily.
I like your videos because you ask questions that most of us are interested in and keep this off-roading thing in perspective for a one car fits all category.
Personally, I’ve never driven a lifted Jeep that felt safe and controllable on the Highway as a passenger car would be.
Having owned Outback’s before I bought a 2017 and in stock configuration have taken it places the Jeepers looked at me like ‘how did that thing get here?!’
So I do have 2 questions I hope you can answer bc this is not your most recent video ;
* Is the CVT in my 17’ Outback one of the bad ones ?
* When backing up on trail, is there a way to shut off collision avoidance ? It slams on the ABS for sagebrush and if it sees road ..
Thanks for the great channel bro. So many people do this and are just never going to have modded out purpose built Jeep’s etc !