Jooooonnnnnnn dang this was a FANTASTIC episode! Got me all fired up for my weekend! Fun trail, great footage, insightful analysis. You're like a sports broadcaster calling a game on TV. I'll take this over traditional sports any day of the week. Congrats on the engagement! I had no idea Gabe had a TH-cam channel but I'm heading over there now to throw around some views, likes, and subscribes.
softroadingthewest thanks for the kind words! So, Gabriel actually doesn’t have a TH-cam channel. The “Project Wagon” channel is ran by his friend. He has such interesting videos. The video of the Subaru’s rock crawling should have more than 200 views imo.
Love that trail! We've driven that trail from both ends (Pioneer town to Baldwin lake and back again) in our 08 RAV-4 V-6 TRD limited and love meeting new people who enjoys the outdoors like us. Our RAV is equipped with a lower 1st gear special ordered from Toyota along with Hercules Terra Trac II all terrain tires and front end skid plate. We are hoping to get a group of RAV-4 owners together and enjoy this trail someday.
Roger Molina lower first gear? That’s awesome!! The V6 Rav4 is such a unicorn 🦄. I’d like to explore more of this area some time. I think I’ve ran this trail 3 times so far, but I haven’t explored the side trails.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring, yeah that special order for a lower 1st gear was actually a mistake, it was supposed to be a replacement gear for our RAV that was defeated and we ended up with a lower first gear that only required to have the computer programed to shift normally. Our next upgrade to our RAV will most likely be TEMA 2" lift because we're almost always scraping our trailer hitch 😋 but it's better than scraping the rear bumper clean off. Keep the cool videos coming ☮️.
ThrowLuck Oct. 17th I planned a Halloween camp out in the Calico Mountains (between Los Angeles and Las Vegas). instagram.com/tv/CF4zGsopCJA/?igshid=oci7m46fsgio
I will open a Beer to look another nice Video from JonDZ, thank you for this 31 Minutes! Love all the Subi´s and also the Passport, a little bit :) Regards from Germany!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring - Hello Jon, We will be putting the new tires on our leased 2019 Subaru Forester. We wrote to you and you gave us some ideas for options.. Thanks again!
I originally was checking out reviews for the Passport when it first came out and came across your videos and I've been watching your adventures ever since haha Great stuff
That looks so fun! Love seeing all the Foresters tackling the terrain.Thanks for trailing the 2019! AT tires and lift will definitely make it easier for an already capable car.
Rob Mascarinas I’ve been trailing other 19’s and it appears they do better than the Forester XT I use to drive. I think the world would really appreciate seeing what the New Forester can do. Let’s meet up at Hungry Valley SVRA sometime.
AbelElColorado01 I’m glad they still let me hang out with them. Hehe, jk. This MtnRoo group is full of such awesome people, and all brands are welcome 🙏
Good job on the vid. Your opening commentary I think is what grabbed me. Second your 'first obsticle' with your reference shot really helped to show the challenge of the obsticle. I've been watching a lot of videos on this trail and know its hard to show climbs decents and dips for what they really are. it really showed what it is. Great job.therrs a whole lot more your on point with and that I enjoyed this video but... lol can't write a book. Lol
I love the simplicity of the off-road scene: off-tarmac you'll see a. Jeeps b. Subarus c. Toyotas (esp overlanding) and this is obviously not by chance...
The video turned out great man! I finally got to watch the WHOLE video. It really was a great trip with an amazing group of people. Some really close friends, some familiar, and some new faces. Thank you again for making me part of you awesome videos.
Gabriel Ulloa by the way Gabe, I was chit chatting with some people, and we feel you should bring your Vlogs to youtube. “Wandering Forester” sounds like an awesome TH-cam channel name.
I like your subtitle that let the general public know not to leave "lame comments". It's really easy for armchair warriors to laugh and joke at some of these trails. I can assure anyone watching this, that hill in the play area is steeper and and more slippery than it looks. And if you are not mindful a rollover could incur. I'm really impressed at not only the Subarus but your Passports ability to climb that. Having spotters is really smart.
Christopher Moritz oh! I hear you about the arm chair warriors. In my video about Laurel lakes, some guy was commenting about how his Toyota Tacoma would easily run over the “4 inch rocks”. Little does he know that the rocks over there are around 10-14 inches, haha!
Great video. We just did the Willow Creek Jeep trail (not far from there) with my friend who had a stock Forester first time out... moderately difficult trail and the Forester followed my FJ Cruiser everywhere... a lot of moments where the Forester was tripoding, but that stock Subaru did great!!!
TheWildpanda86 I didn’t include the footage (the video was getting too long), but the guy in the 2019 Forester said he really likes his Subaru because of the good fuel economy and nimbleness 😃
I've owned a bunch of Subies in the last 20 years and I use a fleet of crosstreks for my business. The newer Subies with the CVT's are nice for on road driving, gravel roads, and driving on pavement in snowy conditions. The 2004 Forester is the best Subie I have owned. It'a a geeat platform for building a softroader. The engine is bullet proof, and when it does have an issue they are easy to fix and simple to maintain. I bought one brand new for my parents back in 04, they put 200k miles on it, the tranny went out in 2016 so we replaced it for under 1500 bucks and we passed it down to my niece who drives it daily to this day.
I agree! So many friends of mine love their SF and SH Foresters. They take full advantage of the lift kits, are light, and you can do the center diff lock mod. Throw on some Cusco front and rear LSDs and now you’re talking 😃. That’s awesome that your SF is still with the family and on the road today.
Hi there Jon, I have been on some of these trails you have in your videos. Big difference is I've done them on my dual sport bike. It's a totally different perspective when 4 wheeled vehicles tackle the same terrain .As always thanks for sharing.
That WRX's bumper remained, surprising since the impression I get from my local subaru group, the bumpers fall off when you look at them....or run them into curbs I suppose lol.
GamerNxUSN i know a fire 🔥 was lit within him. I can’t wait to see him mod out his WRX so he could tackle some tougher terrain. We have older WRX’s that are lifted, but no newer WRX’s.
Jeff W we got a stock outback up this much harder trail: Which Subaru's CAN'T Make it up the mountain? Old Dale to Gold Crown. th-cam.com/video/GwONJIVgPLs/w-d-xo.html
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks! In that case, maybe I'll have to venture out on this Pioneertown to Big Bear trail the next time I have a day free to roam around.
I'm glad you did a part on the '19 Forester, I picked up the same one, just in blue a few months back, and aside from slapping on those new Falken crossover A/T tires, it's stock.
Hi JonDZ. As I've told you before, I have a 2016 Forester Limited. Today, we just took delivery of a 2020 Acura RDX with SH-AWD Advance package. ;-) I don't have your ground clearance -- it believe it's 8.2 or 8.3 inches -- but I've got your AWD system now.. but unfortunately, I don't think I'll be taking this RDX off road much. I may drive it to campsites where it's mostly all paved road to destination but I don't want to scratch this new baby. Out the door price was a few dollars short of $51k -- this is inclusive of CA tax/registration/fees. I'll still be using my Forester to go off road.
Congratulations Lance Guilin! My Passport came with 8.1 inches of minimum ground clearance, I just improved it by 3 more inches. The approach and departure angles might be another story. I have some questions that you might be able to answer for me. Does your RDX require premium gas? Or does it recommend premium gas at all? In my 2015 Forester XT, I’d be able to run 87 octane but at a cost of horsepower and poor fuel economy. Running 87 just wasn’t worth it and I’m wondering if it would be the same in the RDX. Supposedly, the Subaru ascent, outback and legacy’s are designed to run the same on either octane. Also..... YOU HAVE A 22:1 crawl ratio!!!!!!! Are you sure you don’t want to take this thing off-road???????? That’s the same ratio as a Dual Range Subaru!!! But... it’s in an automatic that can load up on torque!!!!! 😃
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Premium is recommended, NOT required. I read up about this on Acura forums before purchasing. It may be the same with the Forester XT turbo but as you admit, you like to drive fast. I don't care to drive fast so don't need the performance -- we got the RDX more for the luxury aspect as opposed to the sporty performance aspect. I am always concerned about fuel economy so will be monitoring what kind of MPG I get with 87. Had the RDX absolutely require 91 to drive, we wouldn't have purchased it. I use to have a BMW 528i -- it required premium. After that, I swore that I'd never buy another vehicle that required premium. Heh, maybe I'll get a Passport in the future to take off road. ;-) Got a question for you Jon: how often are you changing your cabin air filter?
@@lanceguilin Thanks for the info, I appreciate it! I haven't changed the cabin air filter in the Passport yet. I think I know why you ask. My 2015 Forester XT was always taking on dirt. Even with the Air Conditioning set to recirculating. Dust and Dirt and the smell of mud would linger inside the vents for several days. The 2019 Honda Passport seems to stop the dirt, dust and mud from getting into the cabin and after 14k miles and lots of trail riding, the filter doesn't seem too clogged. Here's a Instagram post, I made it just for you! instagram.com/p/B01mAvIgAys/?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Yup, whenever I hit dirt trails, lots of dust and dirt get collected in the cabin air filters. I change them frequently. In fact, I purchase additional layers of charcoal filter and other filters and cut them to size to place in the plastic filter cartridge. But it's still a pain if I have to do it often. Among a variety of reasons, keeping the cabin air filter relatively intact on the RDX is a strong reason I don't want to take it off road. I don't know if the RDX cabin air filter is placed in the same area as the Passport and Forester. If so, then it's not too difficult to replace. Thanks for making the little IG video. LOL
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I've been thoroughly testing the on-road performance of the RDX and man I gotta say it's FREAKING AMAZING. Prior to the 2016 Forester, I drove a BMW 528i, so I'm no stranger to vehicles that can handle cornering. The RDX is just unbelievable when it comes to cornering with the SH-AWD -- but ONLY on flat land or uphill; SH-AWD doesn't work really work going downhill. I added 87 gas with about a little less than 1/2 tank. So right now it's more like 89 octane gas and the performance is still awesome. I don't notice any knocks or decrease in acceleration. I'll continue to monitor once it's more fully 87 octane. With respect to MPG.. I don't know if 87 makes it any worse. The way I'm driving now to test the RDX, my MPG absolutely sucks. The onboard system said I averaged 15.8 MPG at the time of fuelup -- that's with 91 octane, at least that's what my dealership claims they filled up for me. Over time I'll see how the actual MPG is but for now with the way I have been driving, it's been so much worse than I hoped it would be. But this shouldn't be my normal driving style. I'll be back to cruse controlling at 60 - 65MPG once the breakin period is over. ;-)
Richard Fadera thanks! There’s always smaller group runs going but the next major event will be September 21, hosted by MtnRoo San Bernardino. There’s some of us hitting up Big Sur next next weekend Aug. 1-4. Hit me up on Instagram @jondz_adventuring if you’re interested. facebook.com/events/2532221847058089/?ti=icl
hey iam local up in the desert and anytime on a saturday or a sunday you want to try to run your crossover up a new trail and dont want to get stuck ill come up with my powerwagon on 37s and spot you through it...maybe coxey truck trail
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I can see and it's good to know that you still love the subies because you are one the people who helped me to know these cars better, thanks
JonDZ Adventuring I have a 2014 Sierra 2500 Z71. It pretty heavily modified with a CST 3 inch lift, CST tie rods, Bilstein 5100s, Bilstein steering shock, 35x12.5 ko2 tires on 18s, 4:56 gears, a detroit truetrac in the rear, a Smittybilt bumper and Warn VR12 winch. Probably some spelling errors there lol. Its a really fun trail and I want to do it next snow fall if i can, the Joshua Trees in the snow are suppose to be an amazing sight. It’s awesome to see crossovers like yours being built out for trails like this.
jamesngotts yes, I live on the border of LA and OC. We’re actually heading up to Joshua Tree this coming weekend. Already have 10 of us going. The plan was to keep it small since the trails are narrow, but... oh well.. haha 🤣
This is genuinely awesome to watch. A convoy community heading west to avoid civilization in their family car as apposed to log wagons. It’s wonderful to watch. Have you seen how the Subaru Forester’s segment rivals stack up in these off/soft road tests? I know that on paper, the Honda Passport can embarrass the CR-V. However how does the CR-V, RAV4, Forester, Outback, and Hyundai/Kia/Nissan/Mitsubishi offering match up look in terms of ranking? Is the Honda HRV or Hyundai Kona worthy at all to even bring up as opposed to a Crosstrek? It seems for a stock reliable vehicle, the Toyota 4Runner can’t be beat huh?
Sorry for the late reply, I didn't get a notification for this comment. That's a good question. First, body on frame 4 wheel drives, like the 4runner TRD Pro are very good offroad, but something like a Chevy Colorado ZR2 (with it's front and rear lockers) or a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon will be a bit more capable. Nothing really beats the Rubicon (atleast in the USA) offroad with solid front and rear axles, it's extremely durable. While you can count on the 4runner to be more dependable for every day driving, when pushed offroad, an independent front suspension vehicle can have it's axles snap. So long term reliability isn't everything. th-cam.com/video/xIhR54KFe6U/w-d-xo.html Now talking about all those softroaders and their rankings, it's actually a bit complicated. Out of all those vehicles you mentioned the Forester, Outback, Crosstrek, Outlander, Sportage, Sante Fe and Kona are the only ones considered to have full time AWD systems. The Rav4, CRV, Rogue and HRV are part time reactive AWD systems. Out of all those vehicles the Rav4, Outlander GT (V6), Sportage, and Sante Fe are the only ones with a traditional automatic transmission. The Kona is automatically off the list for having the worst transmission for offroad, the dual clutch. ***no torque converter, means no capability***. Out of all those vehicles only the Forester, Outback, Crosstrek, Outlander, Rav4 are the only ones with over 8 inches of ground clearance. Out of the compact crossovers, I think the Forester, Outback, Crosstrek, Outlander and Rav4 make the most sense to softroad. The good news is that there's plenty of comparisons by big automotive journalist groups and the Subaru's seem to shine. But... sadly, CVT transmissions just aren't made to last. Out of the bunch, I'd personally choose a Rav4 or Outlander GT (V6) as a softroader.
Last noob question. How are the older subies? I found a low mile 08 forester LLbean and 06 outback 2.5. Both for 5500$. Both super clean. Anything I should run from? Thx all
Wooca Head gaskets and serpentine belt will need to be replaced every 100k miles (which isn’t terribly expensive, especially if you find a good Subaru garage). If the transmission goes out, you can probably find a refurbished 5EAT for $500-$1000. Engine may need to be rebuilt at 200k miles. Some people have reported getting 400k miles on original engine and transmission.
Wooca perfect example of what I’ve been trying to tell you. Hope you can see this Facebook post from the MtnRoo group: facebook.com/100000129513333/posts/2946657388681883?sfns=mo
Hello JohDZ, I have an Outback and would love to join you guys on one of your adventures. I have been offroad and Overlanding for over 55 years. It looks like a very decent group.
John Edwards hello 👋! We would love for you to come along. If you haven’t already, join the MtnRoo community Facebook group. Lots of helpful and friendly people there. Also, I put together a Facebook group to organize trips and events. Actually, I see you’ve joined! As soon as all the Corona virus craziness is over, we will be putting camping trips together. I look forward to meeting you and hearing about all your car camping overlanding stories!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring hey John this is Pete I also have been off roading for about A Thousand Years also have a 2019 stock Crosstrek that would love to join you on one of your trips
Again too bad they don't make a rear diff cooler or ability to lock up those clutches fully in the rear like in this situation with a aftermarket switch as the rubbing clutches increase the diff heat and impart wear to the clutches.
Kartboarder22G I've never heard of a rear differential cooler. Simulated locks can never equal a true mechanical lock. With all that said, during the hill climb, I should have used more momentum, but I chose to test out the Passports transmission. I was truly impressed that the Passport was able to climb up while mid hill climb. The good thing about the iVTM4 equipped vehicles is that there's advanced warning when the rear differential starts to get hot. This gives more time to complete the obstacle before Limp mode is engaged. If you watch the video from TFL of their Ford Expedition FX4 going up gold mine hill, the rear differential overheats and gets "disabled". To compare, the Pilot and Ridgeline both got up Goldmine hill without even getting a heat warning, both aren't even marketed to be nearly as worthy to be an offroad as an FX4 Ford, haha! The heat warning is nice! I have a feeling that I may overheated the differentials on my 2015 Subaru Forester XT, but I would not know because there are no *differential* heat warnings in Subaru's right now, only CVT overheating warnings.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring You probably didn't overheat the diffs on your Forester as there are no clutches in them they are just straight open and the side to side power transfer is done with the brakes and those overheating not really a possiblity and no concern to the diffs. The xfer power multiplate clutch in the tranny of the Forester you may have overheated but it has a lot of oil to bathe in as it is shared with the CVT. Yet the negative of this is CVT will get overheated. Without a doubt that iVTM4 is an awesome system also probably easy as pie to service if you ever do need to throw new clutches into it. That is cool that the Pilot and Ridgeline both made it up I remember watching the pilot one pretty impressive, interesting as they both have the same drivetrain except the pilot had the 9 speed most likely and the Ridgeline only had the 6 speed.
@@kartboarder22g17 "The xfer power multiplate clutch in the tranny of the Forester you may have overheated but it has a lot of oil to bathe in as it is shared with the CVT. Yet the negative of this is CVT will get overheated. " That explains it! Yeah, your right, there are not clutch packs that go side to side, haha! I knew that the front differential was part of the transmission Assembly.
Cool video and you guys have great time. My next vehicle is going to be a Subaru off-road vehicle. I live in LA and I would like to join tag along on the trail someday.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring May consider a roadtrip when I finish my Fozzie. I will be installing an oil catch can tommorow. CVT cooler is yet to come. And some stuff to fix from the previous owner. How is your "fat Forester" doing so far? :-)
thanks for sharing that info about deflating! question though - you said everyone air'd down but then proceeded to drive on 5 mi of asphalt before hitting dirt. Why wasnt that done closer to the trail and isnt this detrimental to tire wear?
MarioLoco03 haha! They sure can! The low center of gravity and light weight make them momentum off-roaders. SEND IT! Hehe. I’ve put together an informational website. It has a trail database. Great place to find trails of the softer level. crossoverlanding.com/trail-database
@@JonDZ_Adventuring So I went up there a few weeks ago. That hill that y'all were jamming up, well it's got this GIANT hole near the top and I wasn't able to make it. Luckily there were plenty of other fun obstacles near by.
Were there any manual Crosstreks in the bunch? I have one; it's not really geared for this sort of thing, but I'm curious if there were any, and if they made it.
Dillan K a manual crosstrek is geared 17:1 which is much more Agressive than my 2010 WRX that was at 10:1. I don’t believe there were any manual crosstreks here, but there was a manual 4th or 5th gen outback.
JonDZ Adventuring I thought this video was very interesting. It's good to see the Subarus (and Honda!) take on such a tough trail. It's an excellent idea to convoy like that. If anyone gets into trouble, there are many hands available to help!
I had a manual XV, literally sold it due to my last camping trip I went on. Car cant climb. Without low range the car can not climb any steep grades even with VDC fuse out. unless you plan on breaking some parts.
Howard Griner I’m pretty sure all trims will have all the terrain modes. The EX-L has everything except all the foo foo fancy stuff you don’t need, such as: sensors built Into your bumpers, heated rear seats, larger 20-inch wheels & tires (that should be replaced with proper 18-inch wheels and tires), wireless phone charging, etc. automotive journalist recommend the EX-L trim.
Howard Griner ah, that was probably 2wd (in Amy trim). The main purpose of snowmode is to dull throttle inputs so the wheels don’t spin. The transmission starts off in 2nd gear.
Howard Griner 🤣 just wait until you talk to the Finance guy and he tells you that you have to pay $1200 to get your alarm activated. I fell for the trick 😖.
Thanks Fernando. We have a facebook page called "Crossoverlanding (hub)". If you join, just please answer the questions. We use them to keep the bots out.
Here' the Link to the group: facebook.com/groups/1097379240623726/ and here's our upcoming Death Valley trip in November: th-cam.com/video/8UD6yhFURHQ/w-d-xo.html
Subie noobie question. Is the cvt is the ‘19 3.6 any tougher or more capable than in forester or xv? I have eyes on an outback limited. $34k otd, can’t resist really. Thx all
Wooca I know it sounds crazy, but the 2.5’s have tougher longer lasting and more capable CVT’s. The CVT in premium engine Subaru’s have the old TR690 That has been retrofitted for higher torque applications. But.. it’s old, has a poor crawl ratio, and a lower engine stall. The base 2.5 engines have the new TR580. The CVT is less problematic in these.
JonDZ Adventuring that’s just great lol. Ugh How do u like the passport? Local dealer has the blue trd pro sitting there too... Should I abort the subie? Use is gonna be like most, 90% on road 10% overland... camping and then sandy rutty crap here in Tampa bay. I have land in eastern tn tho and like to travel Thx for opinions bud. Good content
Wooca I use to Drive an 2008 FJ cruiser, a 2010 WRX and then more recently had a 2015 Forester XT. The passport is an incredible machine. It’s a good fusion of all three of those vehicles put together. Some people may even think I’m crazy, but I’m glad there’s proof that I’m not. A 2019 Honda passport has entered a rally circuit. On stock suspension, it has places 12th overall out of 75 rally cars. Haha! That’s crazy! Test drive the 4Runner and the passport, you’ll see what I mean.
cnickila the answer to that question isn’t so simple to answer. The Honda Passport has a more capable transmission and AWD system but in stock form it.s minimum ground clearance is lacking at 8.1” vs. the Subaru’s 8.7”. Ground clearance is soooo important. So for that reason alone, I’d say a stock Subaru Forester will be more off-road ready than a stock Honda Passport. Now, there’s more upgrade potential in the Honda Passport and after my 2-inch lift and mounting my 31.6 inch tires, I now have more minimum ground clearance compared to my modified 2inch lifted Forester with 29inch tires. My Forester XT has 9.75” at the front skid plate and 9” at the rear differential. My Honda Passport has 10.5” at the front skid plate and 11.5” at the rear differential. I also had an easier time cutting my front bumper in the Passport. I improved the 21.4 degrees of approach angle to about 40 degrees.
Why dose TH-cam always assume I’m cutting my Fucking Hair Every commercial🤬 like TH-cam prime gonna make my hair cutting experience better , and how fast do they human hair grows !!!???
Do Subarus have a low gear ratio in the transfer case? I mean, the blue forester that you had to push in that hill and the green 4 door with the 2.5 obviously don't have low gearing, but what about the others?
Some of the older Subaru's have a dual range manual 6 speed with a 22:1 crawl ratio, but none of the Subaru's in this video have this type of transmission. Modern Subaru's have a CVT. Earlier Subaru's have a 4 speed (some 5) automatic transmission.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring 22.1 that's pretty good. I have to say I'm really impressed by the awd systems in these cars, it looks like they're re able to distribute torque exactly where it needs to go. I've always been a grand cherokee guy because of the limited-slip diffs, but your videos have opened up a whole different perspective to me.
@@oscaramador4200 The Grand Cherokee's up until 2009 are LEGIT! There's no reason to switch :P Kinda sad that they lost the solid rear axle in the WK2. Subaru's formula has always been simple... It's a "FULL TIME" AWD system but everything is open diff. Models 2008+ have traction control. Unfortunately, just like the WK2 Grand Cherokee, modern Subaru's are getting soft. They all (except the crosstrek) come with CVT transmissions now :( th-cam.com/video/AVptZ1bfwfs/w-d-xo.html
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I agree with you on the axles. My first Grand had both solid axles then I moved to a WK1 with IFS and the difference in flex is noticeable, lifting wheels in the air takes time to get used to, can't imagine what WK2s would be like. Yeah cvt's are a major downside of Subarus and other cars like the Renegade and the new Cherokees, I fee like its their Achilles heel.
NYC Master the MtnRoo has a main Facebook group and many chapters all over the world. There’s a big presence in Southern California, where are you from?
Wow, what an awesome group, great vehicles, beautiful trails! I just got a '15 Crosstrek cvt for strictly commuting 75 miles/ day to NYC for its reliability, pot hole resistance, fuel efficiency, bad weather road worthiness. But after upgrading the lame forward and rearward lighting on this thing, I'm coming across infectious vids such as this. I think the bug has bitten me. Dammit. I'm no stranger to offroad as in my deep past I've built my own 2wd Toyota pickup prerunner and a Samurai rock crawler. So, I see that these things are already blessed with a reasonably flexy full-coil suspension. There is good stock ground clearance easily augmented with tires, then there are a few 2" or so lifts on the market apparently. That Torq Locker on the market is mega. I see there is a center diff hack? The one major stumbling block in my eyes is the lack of low range because the front diff is integral to the transmission/ transfer case. Unless the cvt could dig down really, really low somehow. Or there actually was a split in the gear case where an aftermarket dual range planetary gear set of some kind could intervene. I don't know if this is creatively possible within the reasonable limits of the stock hardware. The alternative is mega suspension so that hills can be hit at speed!
Thanks 2A556FMJ! I got one of those 16 inch extended antenna's but I'll see about getting one of those long magnet mounted antenna's like you'mentioned. I've actually already ordered my mic! I just got back from a trip to Big Sur, California and I really wish I had a clip microphone. My face is right next to the sun visor, so I plan on placing it right there.
JonDZ Adventuring I have one too but they’re a PITA inside the car, and not as effective because it’s inside a steel cage and not vertical (faraday cage) . After I let everyone in the group try mine they order one. Clip on mic is a game changer on long drives, wouldn’t be able to roast my buddies for hours without it. I clip to my shirt collar.
Does that Honda have a ZF Nine speed? I was looking at this vehicle but it sounds like it has the same problems off road as the present Cherokee. That overheating crap is much worse in deep sand like a beach. Dumped a Cherokee for that reason but so far both our Subarus can handle it.
Yes, the Honda has the 2nd gen ZF9 which isn't known for overheating. In this video, my twin clutch rear differential had a heat warning. I've owned two Subaru's, they give no such warnings when differentials get hot. The passport is very good in deep sand, mostly because of the twin clutch rear differential. Check out this video: th-cam.com/video/DOQu2ANSsUc/w-d-xo.html
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks. The ZF was a complete failure on my Cherokee and could never be fixed. They disabled 2nd gear because so many were failing on the 3 to 2nd downshift. Car was downright dangerous to drive and gas mileage went from 23 to 17mpg. I sure don't want another ZF.
John Strand wow! A friend told me this happened to his friends Cherokee! So the 1st gen ZF9 (running until 2018) in the Honda’s didn’t have that issue. I guess programming does make a difference. In the Honda’s, there’s a wire that would get crimped that would shift the car into neutral mid drive. The good thing is the fix for this issue is easy. I’m coming from a 2015 Subaru Forester XT thay had the transmission fail on me at 60k miles. It’s not only me. All my friends that own SJ Forester XT’s have had their CVT’s fail before 100k miles (given we all off-roaded them). Unfortunately, there is no fix, they have to be replaced. They’re covered under warranty until 10y/100k miles but after that it’s a $8-9k repair. For the Honda’s if the ZF9 is acting up, it’s either a free reset or a $200 sensor that needs to be replaced. Or, If the transmission is failing, it can actually be serviced.
BunytheBeastGamer my 2nd gen ZF9 hasnt gone beyond 209 Fahrenheit, which was only one time. I monitor my transmission temp with a Scangauge 2. I originally thought I should get a transcooler, but it appears that I won’t need one. Btw, The heat warning here is from the rear differential. Also, they just replaced the Honda 6speed in the Ridgeline with the 2nd gen ZF9.
It likely depends on your nav system. The one in our '16 Jeep has some roads and will put your dot where you are, but the map may have no data for that point. Most folks use Topo mapping apps on a phone or tablet. I use backcountry navigator on android, but many folks use Gaia on IOS or Droid. Both let you download maps to the device so you don't need service.
GamerNxUSN two things. The Honda Passport has a ZF9 transmission and 4.334 axles. That’s means a 20.4:1 crawl ratio. It also has a pretty advanced AWD system with its twin clutch rear differential and power based torque vectoring. This is not the same system that is in the CRV. I owned a 2015 Forester XT with Xmode, and I would not be able to climb like that mid hill.
Ha ha , John I was in Yosemite for 3 days June 19-20-21 - Sounds like you were there earlier in June eh, just missed you bro. That's great news on the engagement... I can't believe she accepted your proposal. :-) - I"ll have to venture down south and trail ride with you guys some day.
P F it would be an honor to trail with you. Ive been wanting to go back to take my inflatable kayak on the lazy river. The water levels were so high that there was only 1 foot of vertical clearance under the bridge in Yosemite village
@@JonDZ_Adventuring But those waterfalls... the mist trail was awesome going up towards Half Dome. Kayaking that river would be fun. I go to Yosemite at least twice a year to catch different elements of the park.
bchin324 unfortunately I traded in my Forester XT. The CVT started going out at 60k miles, so after I got it replaced under warranty I started thinking about what would happen if the CVT went out again. I bought it used with 10k miles. I had it less than two years and already racked up another 50k. I made an executive decision to trade it in while it still had lots of value. I got $15k on the trade in, and that made a sweet down payment.
bchin324 I also have to add that I wasn’t going to just get any vehicle. I checked out a tacoma but it was too small for me. The floor sits really high taking away leg room, so that vehicle was a no go for me. I had already known about the advanced all wheel drive system in the Passport, but when I test drove it, it blew me away. It was so smooth and powerful and quick! The acceleration response was instant and flies off the line for such a heavy 4250 lb. vehicle. So I didn’t trade in the Forester just to get rid of it, I traded it in because I was very impressed by the Passport.
Hi JonDZ, I have 2018 Forester with all terrain tires but I do not have any off road experience. Would you recommend this trail for me to try or should I try easier trails like Holcomb first? Thank you!
I would recommend checking out Hungry Valley SVRA. There are a ton of trails of all difficulty levels. In addition, there is usually a good amount of other people around if you get stuck and need some help. You can start on the easier trails and work your way up if you feel comfortable. Schmidt Ranch is a good trail to start on.
Dan L. Yes there is. For 2019: Toyota RAV4, Mazda CX-5, Acura RDX, BMW X1/X3, VW Tiguan, Chevy Equinox, Hyundai SanteFe, Kia Sportage just to name a few.
That’s true Dreamy, the RDX does have the most capable awd system out of the bunch. SH-AWD and iVTM4 are mechanically they same, just tuned different. I don’t think the RDX has the simulated locker mode, just eco, normal, and sport. The RDX has a crossover class leading 22:1 crawl ratio though with the Honda 10 speed transmission. The world needs an Acura RDX off road youtuber! Who will take on this responsibility. I want to see it!!!
Awesome video Burns canyon and Tip Top mountain are my favorite trails. Not trying to sound like a hater but I am genuinely curious as to why someone who enjoys off roading would get a crossover. I understand that you save on gas, but I would think that the cost of modifications to a crossover would outweigh the extra money you'd eventually spend on gas with a real 4x4. Also with a transfer case you don't have to worry about overheating as much in addition to the low speed control and torque. The subaru and passport AWD systems work great, but without the low end torque they are limited. You also have more actual ground clearance and wayyy better angles with a truck/jeep. Also instead of off roading a leased vehicle you could invest in an off road only rig for a couple grand, such as an older toyota pickup/4runner, pathfinder, ranger or jeep that could do Burns canyon in 2wd and wheel the harder trails as well. Keep up the great content man!
Albert B I’m definitely not taking your comment as hate. You’re right, I love to go out there. I call what I do “adventuring” (I don’t like to call it off-roading). I use to drive an FJ cruiser and did not like the poor onroad handling. I absolutely require my vehicle to perform onroad. My WRX, Forester XT and now this Passport are superb on road.
bruceyyyyy I know what you meant, just seemed like a good opportunity to elaborate on that “onroad performance” I was talking about. Also, that kid Justin with the 2019 Forester use to drive a V8 4 runner (must be an older model, I don’t remember those) and his Family owns a 1st gen Ford Raptor. He said he enjoyed driving the Forester on these trails because of how nimble it was, so some people just want to give up capability for a smoother and more responsive ride. This is what Edmunds has been trying to tell us with their “Rubicon vs. crosstrek” and “4Runner vs. 19 Forester” videos.
I’m #477 subscriber for Project Wagon. I’m looking to either buy my firiend’s 2005 Outback XT manual or his 2019 Crosstrek both have been lifted. I had a 2022 4Runner TRD Off Road with KDSS for 1 month and the MPG’s killed me (I drive for Uber/Lyft). Not sure which one I want to get. I’m looking to do car camping and the Crosstrek has more aftermarket support and probably will cost less in fuel.
14 inches isn't your ground clearance ground clearance should be measured at the lowest point that hangs from your car. It is good that you don't lose that much though.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring when you had the tape measure out it said let measure how much ground clearance is lost by deflating your tires. By that thought you meant that was your ground clearance.
Gabriel Martinez ah, gotcha, I remember now. I believe it went from 14-3/8 to 14. So it’s a loss of 3/8” ground clearance from airing down. Those side overhangs represent my maximum ground clearance. A stock Toyota Tacoma has 18 inches max clearance stock. That’s a very useful place to have ground clearance, since it’s inline with the tires and makes driving over a rock 17 inches possible. I’d high center with my passport.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring no problem man. Was just stating it incase you weren't sure. Seems like you had some fun up there going next thursday/friday since I doubt it's on fire well at least I hope I got a 89 sidekick with locked rear open front on 31's and a 97 explorer v8 AWD on 33's with stock limited slip.
Clearance issues and transmissions overheating. It’s like climbing mount Mount Whitney with a pair of flip flops. One can probably do it, but safety and time efficiency becomes a huge factor. As much as I love crossover owners push their vehicles to the limit, there’s a good reason why most opt for a proper 4WD vehicle with lockers and low gearing. As long as you guys don’t alter the trail by stacking rocks, have fun and leave no trace! Great video!!!
What a sausage fest. Hahaha. j/k...sort of. Thanks for the video. It's helpful because I sometimes tow a 2000lb trailer and the video shows that I wouldn't have any concerns going up this.
Isn’t it crazy how each manufacturers the strength and weakness. Honda’s seem to overheat their slips and difs- Subaru’s have their CVTs. I know you roll a Honda now but check out the OEM skid plate th-cam.com/video/ascez_kzOYk/w-d-xo.html
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Jooooonnnnnnn dang this was a FANTASTIC episode! Got me all fired up for my weekend! Fun trail, great footage, insightful analysis. You're like a sports broadcaster calling a game on TV. I'll take this over traditional sports any day of the week. Congrats on the engagement! I had no idea Gabe had a TH-cam channel but I'm heading over there now to throw around some views, likes, and subscribes.
softroadingthewest thanks for the kind words! So, Gabriel actually doesn’t have a TH-cam channel. The “Project Wagon” channel is ran by his friend. He has such interesting videos. The video of the Subaru’s rock crawling should have more than 200 views imo.
Love that trail! We've driven that trail from both ends (Pioneer town to Baldwin lake and back again) in our 08 RAV-4 V-6 TRD limited and love meeting new people who enjoys the outdoors like us. Our RAV is equipped with a lower 1st gear special ordered from Toyota along with Hercules Terra Trac II all terrain tires and front end skid plate. We are hoping to get a group of RAV-4 owners together and enjoy this trail someday.
Roger Molina lower first gear? That’s awesome!! The V6 Rav4 is such a unicorn 🦄. I’d like to explore more of this area some time. I think I’ve ran this trail 3 times so far, but I haven’t explored the side trails.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring, yeah that special order for a lower 1st gear was actually a mistake, it was supposed to be a replacement gear for our RAV that was defeated and we ended up with a lower first gear that only required to have the computer programed to shift normally. Our next upgrade to our RAV will most likely be TEMA 2" lift because we're almost always scraping our trailer hitch 😋 but it's better than scraping the rear bumper clean off. Keep the cool videos coming ☮️.
I’m a RAV4 owner as well! Let’s rally up a group & roll! @cosmo_rav4
ThrowLuck Oct. 17th I planned a Halloween camp out in the Calico Mountains (between Los Angeles and Las Vegas).
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I will open a Beer to look another nice Video from JonDZ, thank you for this 31 Minutes! Love all the Subi´s and also the Passport, a little bit :) Regards from Germany!
Standheizungen Rehbein cheers 🍻!
Still saving up to upgrade our tires, looks like a Fun trail! Thanks for the video.
Tumbleweed 69 you’re very welcome! What vehicle will you be putting the new tires on?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring - Hello Jon,
We will be putting the new tires on our leased 2019 Subaru Forester. We wrote to you and you gave us some ideas for options.. Thanks again!
Tumbleweed 69 ah, I remember now! Go taller! 🤣
I originally was checking out reviews for the Passport when it first came out and came across your videos and I've been watching your adventures ever since haha Great stuff
Hieu Nguyen that’s awesome! Thanks for watching! What vehicle will you be putting those tire on once you get them?
Hieu Nguyen whoops!!!! Wrong comment. The guy commenting above mentioned that!
That looks so fun! Love seeing all the Foresters tackling the terrain.Thanks for trailing the 2019! AT tires and lift will definitely make it easier for an already capable car.
Rob Mascarinas I’ve been trailing other 19’s and it appears they do better than the Forester XT I use to drive. I think the world would really appreciate seeing what the New Forester can do. Let’s meet up at Hungry Valley SVRA sometime.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring yea let's do it soon, sometime in August on weekday sound good?
You are a savior and baddass for taking a Honda and showing people how good it works.
AbelElColorado01 I’m glad they still let me hang out with them. Hehe, jk. This MtnRoo group is full of such awesome people, and all brands are welcome 🙏
Fun video! I also learned how valuable a low range transfer case is
Good job on the vid. Your opening commentary I think is what grabbed me. Second your 'first obsticle' with your reference shot really helped to show the challenge of the obsticle. I've been watching a lot of videos on this trail and know its hard to show climbs decents and dips for what they really are. it really showed what it is. Great job.therrs a whole lot more your on point with and that I enjoyed this video but... lol can't write a book. Lol
Thank you for the kind words 🙏
Thank you for memorializing this fun day via your TH-cam video, Jon. Looking forward to our next trip. Whatta group!
dzrt XV you’re very welcome! WeRe you there? What’s your IG?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I was! IG : dzrtxv
Thanks again. I enjoyed your video.
I love the simplicity of the off-road scene: off-tarmac you'll see a. Jeeps b. Subarus c. Toyotas (esp overlanding) and this is obviously not by chance...
George Chaidaris and maybe that (1) Honda 🙋♂️
@@JonDZ_Adventuring True!
The video turned out great man! I finally got to watch the WHOLE video. It really was a great trip with an amazing group of people. Some really close friends, some familiar, and some new faces. Thank you again for making me part of you awesome videos.
Gabriel Ulloa it was good to see you again Brother! I look forward to future trips!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Absolutely! 🤘
Gabriel Ulloa by the way Gabe, I was chit chatting with some people, and we feel you should bring your Vlogs to youtube. “Wandering Forester” sounds like an awesome TH-cam channel name.
Congrats Jon on the engagement. Live long and prosper together.
Lance Guilin thank you 🙏
I found all your videos after I switched from my beloved 2007 Honda Element to the 2019 Passport. Thanks for the great content!
You’re very welcome Hedy Wells
I like your subtitle that let the general public know not to leave "lame comments". It's really easy for armchair warriors to laugh and joke at some of these trails. I can assure anyone watching this, that hill in the play area is steeper and and more slippery than it looks. And if you are not mindful a rollover could incur. I'm really impressed at not only the Subarus but your Passports ability to climb that. Having spotters is really smart.
Christopher Moritz oh! I hear you about the arm chair warriors. In my video about Laurel lakes, some guy was commenting about how his Toyota Tacoma would easily run over the “4 inch rocks”. Little does he know that the rocks over there are around 10-14 inches, haha!
Great video. We just did the Willow Creek Jeep trail (not far from there) with my friend who had a stock Forester first time out... moderately difficult trail and the Forester followed my FJ Cruiser everywhere... a lot of moments where the Forester was tripoding, but that stock Subaru did great!!!
TheWildpanda86 I didn’t include the footage (the video was getting too long), but the guy in the 2019 Forester said he really likes his Subaru because of the good fuel economy and nimbleness 😃
I've owned a bunch of Subies in the last 20 years and I use a fleet of crosstreks for my business. The newer Subies with the CVT's are nice for on road driving, gravel roads, and driving on pavement in snowy conditions. The 2004 Forester is the best Subie I have owned. It'a a geeat platform for building a softroader. The engine is bullet proof, and when it does have an issue they are easy to fix and simple to maintain. I bought one brand new for my parents back in 04, they put 200k miles on it, the tranny went out in 2016 so we replaced it for under 1500 bucks and we passed it down to my niece who drives it daily to this day.
I agree! So many friends of mine love their SF and SH Foresters. They take full advantage of the lift kits, are light, and you can do the center diff lock mod. Throw on some Cusco front and rear LSDs and now you’re talking 😃. That’s awesome that your SF is still with the family and on the road today.
Holy cow what a turn out! That is awesome.
Hi there Jon, I have been on some of these trails you have in your videos. Big difference is I've done them on my dual sport bike. It's a totally different perspective when 4 wheeled vehicles tackle the same terrain .As always thanks for sharing.
Christopher Moritz thanks for all the comments lately. It’s nice to get another perspective on things!
Love the OBS at 18:28 ... DGAF. Nice vid :D
Just got to the end, congrats Jon!
Zach is awesome! He has a great attitude. He also drives a manual!
Fun trail, thanks for taking the time to edit this. I’ll be taking the trail soon
Lived in Big Bear for five years, pulled out a few Subaru’s high centered.
That WRX's bumper remained, surprising since the impression I get from my local subaru group, the bumpers fall off when you look at them....or run them into curbs I suppose lol.
GamerNxUSN i know a fire 🔥 was lit within him. I can’t wait to see him mod out his WRX so he could tackle some tougher terrain. We have older WRX’s that are lifted, but no newer WRX’s.
Enjoyed the video! Only driving a stock Outback so parts of it made me wonder if I'd make it through.
Jeff W we got a stock outback up this much harder trail:
Which Subaru's CAN'T Make it up the mountain? Old Dale to Gold Crown. th-cam.com/video/GwONJIVgPLs/w-d-xo.html
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks! In that case, maybe I'll have to venture out on this Pioneertown to Big Bear trail the next time I have a day free to roam around.
Nice. Fun Run from Pioneer Town to Baldwin Lake. Thanks for sharing your extended teams adventure.
I'm glad you did a part on the '19 Forester, I picked up the same one, just in blue a few months back, and aside from slapping on those new Falken crossover A/T tires, it's stock.
Hi JonDZ. As I've told you before, I have a 2016 Forester Limited. Today, we just took delivery of a 2020 Acura RDX with SH-AWD Advance package. ;-) I don't have your ground clearance -- it believe it's 8.2 or 8.3 inches -- but I've got your AWD system now.. but unfortunately, I don't think I'll be taking this RDX off road much. I may drive it to campsites where it's mostly all paved road to destination but I don't want to scratch this new baby. Out the door price was a few dollars short of $51k -- this is inclusive of CA tax/registration/fees. I'll still be using my Forester to go off road.
Congratulations Lance Guilin! My Passport came with 8.1 inches of minimum ground clearance, I just improved it by 3 more inches. The approach and departure angles might be another story. I have some questions that you might be able to answer for me. Does your RDX require premium gas? Or does it recommend premium gas at all? In my 2015 Forester XT, I’d be able to run 87 octane but at a cost of horsepower and poor fuel economy. Running 87 just wasn’t worth it and I’m wondering if it would be the same in the RDX. Supposedly, the Subaru ascent, outback and legacy’s are designed to run the same on either octane. Also..... YOU HAVE A 22:1 crawl ratio!!!!!!! Are you sure you don’t want to take this thing off-road???????? That’s the same ratio as a Dual Range Subaru!!! But... it’s in an automatic that can load up on torque!!!!! 😃
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Premium is recommended, NOT required. I read up about this on Acura forums before purchasing. It may be the same with the Forester XT turbo but as you admit, you like to drive fast. I don't care to drive fast so don't need the performance -- we got the RDX more for the luxury aspect as opposed to the sporty performance aspect. I am always concerned about fuel economy so will be monitoring what kind of MPG I get with 87. Had the RDX absolutely require 91 to drive, we wouldn't have purchased it. I use to have a BMW 528i -- it required premium. After that, I swore that I'd never buy another vehicle that required premium.
Heh, maybe I'll get a Passport in the future to take off road. ;-)
Got a question for you Jon: how often are you changing your cabin air filter?
@@lanceguilin Thanks for the info, I appreciate it! I haven't changed the cabin air filter in the Passport yet. I think I know why you ask. My 2015 Forester XT was always taking on dirt. Even with the Air Conditioning set to recirculating. Dust and Dirt and the smell of mud would linger inside the vents for several days. The 2019 Honda Passport seems to stop the dirt, dust and mud from getting into the cabin and after 14k miles and lots of trail riding, the filter doesn't seem too clogged. Here's a Instagram post, I made it just for you!
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@@JonDZ_Adventuring Yup, whenever I hit dirt trails, lots of dust and dirt get collected in the cabin air filters. I change them frequently. In fact, I purchase additional layers of charcoal filter and other filters and cut them to size to place in the plastic filter cartridge. But it's still a pain if I have to do it often. Among a variety of reasons, keeping the cabin air filter relatively intact on the RDX is a strong reason I don't want to take it off road. I don't know if the RDX cabin air filter is placed in the same area as the Passport and Forester. If so, then it's not too difficult to replace.
Thanks for making the little IG video. LOL
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I've been thoroughly testing the on-road performance of the RDX and man I gotta say it's FREAKING AMAZING. Prior to the 2016 Forester, I drove a BMW 528i, so I'm no stranger to vehicles that can handle cornering. The RDX is just unbelievable when it comes to cornering with the SH-AWD -- but ONLY on flat land or uphill; SH-AWD doesn't work really work going downhill.
I added 87 gas with about a little less than 1/2 tank. So right now it's more like 89 octane gas and the performance is still awesome. I don't notice any knocks or decrease in acceleration. I'll continue to monitor once it's more fully 87 octane.
With respect to MPG.. I don't know if 87 makes it any worse. The way I'm driving now to test the RDX, my MPG absolutely sucks. The onboard system said I averaged 15.8 MPG at the time of fuelup -- that's with 91 octane, at least that's what my dealership claims they filled up for me. Over time I'll see how the actual MPG is but for now with the way I have been driving, it's been so much worse than I hoped it would be. But this shouldn't be my normal driving style. I'll be back to cruse controlling at 60 - 65MPG once the breakin period is over. ;-)
Respect for the honda guy 😊😎
Thank you!
i made the mistake of burning out my transmission doing the same thing, never again, luckily under warranty, saved me the 9k lol
Oh no! Well, it’s good Subaru has our backs with the extended warranty. A transmission cooler should make the new CVT last longer.
Looks fun man.. lets go when it cools down
Jason Hunt we are constantly getting out there. Next trip Aug. 1-4. DM me on Instagram for trip details. So far is about 3-4 of us.
Awesome vid brother. I hope I can join the group on the next run.
Richard Fadera thanks! There’s always smaller group runs going but the next major event will be September 21, hosted by MtnRoo San Bernardino. There’s some of us hitting up Big Sur next next weekend Aug. 1-4. Hit me up on Instagram @jondz_adventuring if you’re interested.
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Man you make some great videos they're professional can't wait to take my van out on some of these excursions
Great video as always. Finally decided on a forester 2013 xt touring 4EAT
hey iam local up in the desert and anytime on a saturday or a sunday you want to try to run your crossover up a new trail and dont want to get stuck ill come up with my powerwagon on 37s and spot you through it...maybe coxey truck trail
Look at Gabe being all fancy and making the hill climb look easy.
Adventuring Trek yeah, it was almost like he went up at half speed. So much finesse!!!
😆 I try to make it look difficult. We need more obstacles.
Thanks for the video much love to those Subaru's
samson phiri I still have the Subie love ❤️
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I can see and it's good to know that you still love the subies because you are one the people who helped me to know these cars better, thanks
Just did this trail in my rig, was a ton a fun with a 50:1 crawl ratio and a rear locker
jamesngotts nice! What did you drive up this trail in?
JonDZ Adventuring I have a 2014 Sierra 2500 Z71. It pretty heavily modified with a CST 3 inch lift, CST tie rods, Bilstein 5100s, Bilstein steering shock, 35x12.5 ko2 tires on 18s, 4:56 gears, a detroit truetrac in the rear, a Smittybilt bumper and Warn VR12 winch. Probably some spelling errors there lol. Its a really fun trail and I want to do it next snow fall if i can, the Joshua Trees in the snow are suppose to be an amazing sight.
It’s awesome to see crossovers like yours being built out for trails like this.
JonDZ Adventuring I see a lot of your videos are in the Southern California area. Are you local to that area? I live in Orange County.
jamesngotts yes, I live on the border of LA and OC. We’re actually heading up to Joshua Tree this coming weekend. Already have 10 of us going. The plan was to keep it small since the trails are narrow, but... oh well.. haha 🤣
jamesngotts Jeebus! Sounds like some awesome build. 3/4 ton trucks are getting more and more popular on the trails nowadays.
Fun trail, a walk in the park for a 4runner. Well done to the Subarus!
No dead CVT today. But some of those CVTs just got a lot of years taken off of their lives in a few short hours of fun.
years off the fluid maybe, and therefore their CVTs if not replaced. I bet their CVT components are just fine, just need more of that liquid gold.
@@dhoyt902 fair enough. Liquid gold required for fun. Will add to the shopping cart. :p
This is genuinely awesome to watch. A convoy community heading west to avoid civilization in their family car as apposed to log wagons. It’s wonderful to watch.
Have you seen how the Subaru Forester’s segment rivals stack up in these off/soft road tests? I know that on paper, the Honda Passport can embarrass the CR-V. However how does the CR-V, RAV4, Forester, Outback, and Hyundai/Kia/Nissan/Mitsubishi offering match up look in terms of ranking? Is the Honda HRV or Hyundai Kona worthy at all to even bring up as opposed to a Crosstrek?
It seems for a stock reliable vehicle, the Toyota 4Runner can’t be beat huh?
Sorry for the late reply, I didn't get a notification for this comment.
That's a good question. First, body on frame 4 wheel drives, like the 4runner TRD Pro are very good offroad, but something like a Chevy Colorado ZR2 (with it's front and rear lockers) or a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon will be a bit more capable. Nothing really beats the Rubicon (atleast in the USA) offroad with solid front and rear axles, it's extremely durable. While you can count on the 4runner to be more dependable for every day driving, when pushed offroad, an independent front suspension vehicle can have it's axles snap. So long term reliability isn't everything.
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Now talking about all those softroaders and their rankings, it's actually a bit complicated.
Out of all those vehicles you mentioned the Forester, Outback, Crosstrek, Outlander, Sportage, Sante Fe and Kona are the only ones considered to have full time AWD systems. The Rav4, CRV, Rogue and HRV are part time reactive AWD systems.
Out of all those vehicles the Rav4, Outlander GT (V6), Sportage, and Sante Fe are the only ones with a traditional automatic transmission. The Kona is automatically off the list for having the worst transmission for offroad, the dual clutch. ***no torque converter, means no capability***.
Out of all those vehicles only the Forester, Outback, Crosstrek, Outlander, Rav4 are the only ones with over 8 inches of ground clearance.
Out of the compact crossovers, I think the Forester, Outback, Crosstrek, Outlander and Rav4 make the most sense to softroad.
The good news is that there's plenty of comparisons by big automotive journalist groups and the Subaru's seem to shine. But... sadly, CVT transmissions just aren't made to last. Out of the bunch, I'd personally choose a Rav4 or Outlander GT (V6) as a softroader.
That older Outback going up the playground is a great example of line selection.
Last noob question. How are the older subies? I found a low mile 08 forester LLbean and 06 outback 2.5. Both for 5500$. Both super clean.
Anything I should run from? Thx all
Wooca Head gaskets and serpentine belt will need to be replaced every 100k miles (which isn’t terribly expensive, especially if you find a good Subaru garage). If the transmission goes out, you can probably find a refurbished 5EAT for $500-$1000. Engine may need to be rebuilt at 200k miles. Some people have reported getting 400k miles on original engine and transmission.
JonDZ Adventuring the 08 forester has 88k on it and the 06 outback has 49k on it.
Wooca perfect example of what I’ve been trying to tell you. Hope you can see this Facebook post from the MtnRoo group:
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If you look for a 2nd gen SF Forester (2006-2008). That’s the ever so sought after unicorn 🦄.
JonDZ Adventuring guess I found a unicorn then... may have to pull the trigger since it’s so clean. Thx for advice! Have a great night
Hello JohDZ, I have an Outback and would love to join you guys on one of your adventures. I have been offroad and Overlanding for over 55 years. It looks like a very decent group.
John Edwards hello 👋! We would love for you to come along. If you haven’t already, join the MtnRoo community Facebook group. Lots of helpful and friendly people there. Also, I put together a Facebook group to organize trips and events. Actually, I see you’ve joined! As soon as all the Corona virus craziness is over, we will be putting camping trips together. I look forward to meeting you and hearing about all your car camping overlanding stories!
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thank you for your prompt reply, look forward to meeting you. Regards,l John
@@JonDZ_Adventuring hey John this is Pete I also have been off roading for about A Thousand Years also have a 2019 stock Crosstrek that would love to join you on one of your trips
Again too bad they don't make a rear diff cooler or ability to lock up those clutches fully in the rear like in this situation with a aftermarket switch as the rubbing clutches increase the diff heat and impart wear to the clutches.
Kartboarder22G I've never heard of a rear differential cooler. Simulated locks can never equal a true mechanical lock. With all that said, during the hill climb, I should have used more momentum, but I chose to test out the Passports transmission. I was truly impressed that the Passport was able to climb up while mid hill climb. The good thing about the iVTM4 equipped vehicles is that there's advanced warning when the rear differential starts to get hot. This gives more time to complete the obstacle before Limp mode is engaged. If you watch the video from TFL of their Ford Expedition FX4 going up gold mine hill, the rear differential overheats and gets "disabled". To compare, the Pilot and Ridgeline both got up Goldmine hill without even getting a heat warning, both aren't even marketed to be nearly as worthy to be an offroad as an FX4 Ford, haha! The heat warning is nice! I have a feeling that I may overheated the differentials on my 2015 Subaru Forester XT, but I would not know because there are no *differential* heat warnings in Subaru's right now, only CVT overheating warnings.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring You probably didn't overheat the diffs on your Forester as there are no clutches in them they are just straight open and the side to side power transfer is done with the brakes and those overheating not really a possiblity and no concern to the diffs. The xfer power multiplate clutch in the tranny of the Forester you may have overheated but it has a lot of oil to bathe in as it is shared with the CVT. Yet the negative of this is CVT will get overheated. Without a doubt that iVTM4 is an awesome system also probably easy as pie to service if you ever do need to throw new clutches into it.
That is cool that the Pilot and Ridgeline both made it up I remember watching the pilot one pretty impressive, interesting as they both have the same drivetrain except the pilot had the 9 speed most likely and the Ridgeline only had the 6 speed.
Also interesting to see that Explorer went back to rear wheel drive which if you could buy a aftermarket locker it could be extremely capable.
@@kartboarder22g17 "The xfer power multiplate clutch in the tranny of the Forester you may have overheated but it has a lot of oil to bathe in as it is shared with the CVT. Yet the negative of this is CVT will get overheated. "
That explains it!
Yeah, your right, there are not clutch packs that go side to side, haha!
I knew that the front differential was part of the transmission Assembly.
Cool video and you guys have great time. My next vehicle is going to be a Subaru off-road vehicle. I live in LA and I would like to join tag along on the trail someday.
What an adventure! If only I could come with you one day haha.
Do you know if the blue Forester at the hill climb had a CVT cooler?
That would be awesome Umbra says. You should totally come out on a trip one day.
I don’t believe that blue Forester had a trans cooler.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring May consider a roadtrip when I finish my Fozzie. I will be installing an oil catch can tommorow. CVT cooler is yet to come. And some stuff to fix from the previous owner.
How is your "fat Forester" doing so far? :-)
thanks for sharing that info about deflating! question though - you said everyone air'd down but then proceeded to drive on 5 mi of asphalt before hitting dirt. Why wasnt that done closer to the trail and isnt this detrimental to tire wear?
Im looking for trails to take my 4runner and came across this video. Holy shit these little subies can rip up that hill. Nice
MarioLoco03 haha! They sure can! The low center of gravity and light weight make them momentum off-roaders. SEND IT! Hehe.
I’ve put together an informational website. It has a trail database. Great place to find trails of the softer level.
crossoverlanding.com/trail-database
@@JonDZ_Adventuring So I went up there a few weeks ago. That hill that y'all were jamming up, well it's got this GIANT hole near the top and I wasn't able to make it. Luckily there were plenty of other fun obstacles near by.
Were there any manual Crosstreks in the bunch? I have one; it's not really geared for this sort of thing, but I'm curious if there were any, and if they made it.
Dillan K a manual crosstrek is geared 17:1 which is much more Agressive than my 2010 WRX that was at 10:1. I don’t believe there were any manual crosstreks here, but there was a manual 4th or 5th gen outback.
JonDZ Adventuring I thought this video was very interesting. It's good to see the Subarus (and Honda!) take on such a tough trail. It's an excellent idea to convoy like that. If anyone gets into trouble, there are many hands available to help!
I had a manual XV, literally sold it due to my last camping trip I went on. Car cant climb. Without low range the car can not climb any steep grades even with VDC fuse out. unless you plan on breaking some parts.
Since you have the EX-L does your Passport only have Snow mode or the other drive modes as well?
Howard Griner I’m pretty sure all trims will have all the terrain modes. The EX-L has everything except all the foo foo fancy stuff you don’t need, such as: sensors built
Into your bumpers, heated rear seats, larger 20-inch wheels & tires (that should be replaced with proper 18-inch wheels and tires), wireless phone charging, etc. automotive journalist recommend the EX-L trim.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring hmm interesting. the EX-L I test drove only had snow mode. Pretty sure it was 4wd but I'll check.
Howard Griner ah, that was probably 2wd (in Amy trim). The main purpose of snowmode is to dull throttle inputs so the wheels don’t spin. The transmission starts off in 2nd gear.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring yup! it was 2wd. Bastard tried to trick me. Thanks for the response. Your vids are dope!
Howard Griner 🤣 just wait until you talk to the Finance guy and he tells you that you have to pay $1200 to get your alarm activated. I fell for the trick 😖.
Loving your videos, how do I find out about up coming meet ups? I’m in LB and I’m in Palm Springs area often
Thanks Fernando. We have a facebook page called "Crossoverlanding (hub)". If you join, just please answer the questions. We use them to keep the bots out.
Here' the Link to the group:
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and here's our upcoming Death Valley trip in November:
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congrats on the engagement!
hsiang-hsin Tseng thank you very much 😃
Subie noobie question. Is the cvt is the ‘19 3.6 any tougher or more capable than in forester or xv? I have eyes on an outback limited. $34k otd, can’t resist really. Thx all
Wooca I know it sounds crazy, but the 2.5’s have tougher longer lasting and more capable CVT’s. The CVT in premium engine Subaru’s have the old TR690 That has been retrofitted for higher torque applications. But.. it’s old, has a poor crawl ratio, and a lower engine stall. The base 2.5 engines have the new TR580. The CVT is less problematic in these.
JonDZ Adventuring that’s just great lol. Ugh
How do u like the passport? Local dealer has the blue trd pro sitting there too... Should I abort the subie? Use is gonna be like most, 90% on road 10% overland... camping and then sandy rutty crap here in Tampa bay. I have land in eastern tn tho and like to travel
Thx for opinions bud. Good content
Wooca I use to Drive an 2008 FJ cruiser, a 2010 WRX and then more recently had a 2015 Forester XT. The passport is an incredible machine. It’s a good fusion of all three of those vehicles put together. Some people may even think I’m crazy, but I’m glad there’s proof that I’m not. A 2019 Honda passport has entered a rally circuit. On stock suspension, it has places 12th overall out of 75 rally cars. Haha! That’s crazy!
Test drive the 4Runner and the passport, you’ll see what I mean.
nice video Jon, until our new trip!
Cool video! So what are your overall thoughts of your Honda passport versus your Subaru?
cnickila the answer to that question isn’t so simple to answer. The Honda Passport has a more capable transmission and AWD system but in stock form it.s minimum ground clearance is lacking at 8.1” vs. the Subaru’s 8.7”. Ground clearance is soooo important. So for that reason alone, I’d say a stock Subaru Forester will be more off-road ready than a stock Honda Passport. Now, there’s more upgrade potential in the Honda Passport and after my 2-inch lift and mounting my 31.6 inch tires, I now have more minimum ground clearance compared to my modified 2inch lifted Forester with 29inch tires. My Forester XT has 9.75” at the front skid plate and 9” at the rear differential. My Honda Passport has 10.5” at the front skid plate and 11.5” at the rear differential. I also had an easier time cutting my front bumper in the Passport. I improved the 21.4 degrees of approach angle to about 40 degrees.
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Do Subarus have a low gear ratio in the transfer case? I mean, the blue forester that you had to push in that hill and the green 4 door with the 2.5 obviously don't have low gearing, but what about the others?
Some of the older Subaru's have a dual range manual 6 speed with a 22:1 crawl ratio, but none of the Subaru's in this video have this type of transmission. Modern Subaru's have a CVT. Earlier Subaru's have a 4 speed (some 5) automatic transmission.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring 22.1 that's pretty good. I have to say I'm really impressed by the awd systems in these cars, it looks like they're re able to distribute torque exactly where it needs to go. I've always been a grand cherokee guy because of the limited-slip diffs, but your videos have opened up a whole different perspective to me.
@@oscaramador4200 The Grand Cherokee's up until 2009 are LEGIT! There's no reason to switch :P
Kinda sad that they lost the solid rear axle in the WK2. Subaru's formula has always been simple... It's a "FULL TIME" AWD system but everything is open diff. Models 2008+ have traction control. Unfortunately, just like the WK2 Grand Cherokee, modern Subaru's are getting soft. They all (except the crosstrek) come with CVT transmissions now :(
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@@JonDZ_Adventuring I agree with you on the axles. My first Grand had both solid axles then I moved to a WK1 with IFS and the difference in flex is noticeable, lifting wheels in the air takes time to get used to, can't imagine what WK2s would be like. Yeah cvt's are a major downside of Subarus and other cars like the Renegade and the new Cherokees, I fee like its their Achilles heel.
I recently got 19' Forester Sport myself. I would love to do something like this. How can I join you guys on next trip?
NYC Master the MtnRoo has a main Facebook group and many chapters all over the world. There’s a big presence in Southern California, where are you from?
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Los Angeles. I know my ID is misleading. Would my bone stock 19 forester would be ok with trails like this video?
@@nycmaster4897 there was a new stock Forester Sport in the video. They made through the trail.
Really?? Not one comment about the photographer diving away going "whoa, it's a Hon-duh!" at 13:53 hahaha
Love it guys!!
I use to rock a 16' wrx, traded it for my crosstrek '17 love it. Treks know how to get around the nasty stuff.
#Subaruforlife
I feel like this is when computer programmers go offloading.
Wow, what an awesome group, great vehicles, beautiful trails!
I just got a '15 Crosstrek cvt for strictly commuting 75 miles/ day to NYC for its reliability, pot hole resistance, fuel efficiency, bad weather road worthiness. But after upgrading the lame forward and rearward lighting on this thing, I'm coming across infectious vids such as this. I think the bug has bitten me. Dammit.
I'm no stranger to offroad as in my deep past I've built my own 2wd Toyota pickup prerunner and a Samurai rock crawler.
So, I see that these things are already blessed with a reasonably flexy full-coil suspension. There is good stock ground clearance easily augmented with tires, then there are a few 2" or so lifts on the market apparently. That Torq Locker on the market is mega. I see there is a center diff hack?
The one major stumbling block in my eyes is the lack of low range because the front diff is integral to the transmission/ transfer case. Unless the cvt could dig down really, really low somehow. Or there actually was a split in the gear case where an aftermarket dual range planetary gear set of some kind could intervene. I don't know if this is creatively possible within the reasonable limits of the stock hardware.
The alternative is mega suspension so that hills can be hit at speed!
Just saw your video. Any Subaru that have upgraded suspension at all?! Curious. I have a 2015 OB 3.6R- planning to upgrade.
Congrats!
P.s. A mag mount external antenna would extend the range of that radio for car to car by 2-3x or more. Highly recommend a clip on mic too.
Thanks 2A556FMJ! I got one of those 16 inch extended antenna's but I'll see about getting one of those long magnet mounted antenna's like you'mentioned. I've actually already ordered my mic! I just got back from a trip to Big Sur, California and I really wish I had a clip microphone. My face is right next to the sun visor, so I plan on placing it right there.
JonDZ Adventuring I have one too but they’re a PITA inside the car, and not as effective because it’s inside a steel cage and not vertical (faraday cage) .
After I let everyone in the group try mine they order one.
Clip on mic is a game changer on long drives, wouldn’t be able to roast my buddies for hours without it. I clip to my shirt collar.
Nice follow on the 19 Forrester
Can you share the full road (names) we’re planning on going out there on Sunday on our 4x4 jeep
Does that Honda have a ZF Nine speed? I was looking at this vehicle but it sounds like it has the same problems off road as the present Cherokee. That overheating crap is much worse in deep sand like a beach. Dumped a Cherokee for that reason but so far both our Subarus can handle it.
Yes, the Honda has the 2nd gen ZF9 which isn't known for overheating. In this video, my twin clutch rear differential had a heat warning. I've owned two Subaru's, they give no such warnings when differentials get hot. The passport is very good in deep sand, mostly because of the twin clutch rear differential. Check out this video:
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@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks. The ZF was a complete failure on my Cherokee and could never be fixed. They disabled 2nd gear because so many were failing on the 3 to 2nd downshift. Car was downright dangerous to drive and gas mileage went from 23 to 17mpg. I sure don't want another ZF.
John Strand wow! A friend told me this happened to his friends Cherokee! So the 1st gen ZF9 (running until 2018) in the Honda’s didn’t have that issue. I guess programming does make a difference. In the Honda’s, there’s a wire that would get crimped that would shift the car into neutral mid drive. The good thing is the fix for this issue is easy. I’m coming from a 2015 Subaru Forester XT thay had the transmission fail on me at 60k miles. It’s not only me. All my friends that own SJ Forester XT’s have had their CVT’s fail before 100k miles (given we all off-roaded them). Unfortunately, there is no fix, they have to be replaced. They’re covered under warranty until 10y/100k miles but after that it’s a $8-9k repair. For the Honda’s if the ZF9 is acting up, it’s either a free reset or a $200 sensor that needs to be replaced. Or, If the transmission is failing, it can actually be serviced.
So as a tech at Honda. The ZF9 1st gen did have some problems with heat. Honda will do away with it soon. Its a German trans.
BunytheBeastGamer my 2nd gen ZF9 hasnt gone beyond 209 Fahrenheit, which was only one time. I monitor my transmission temp with a Scangauge 2. I originally thought I should get a transcooler, but it appears that I won’t need one. Btw, The heat warning here is from the rear differential. Also, they just replaced the Honda 6speed in the Ridgeline with the 2nd gen ZF9.
Man that hill climb looked fun!
bruceyyyyy it was definitely the highlight of this trip 😃
How do you navigate that road I mean does a regular car gps read your location still
It likely depends on your nav system. The one in our '16 Jeep has some roads and will put your dot where you are, but the map may have no data for that point.
Most folks use Topo mapping apps on a phone or tablet. I use backcountry navigator on android, but many folks use Gaia on IOS or Droid.
Both let you download maps to the device so you don't need service.
How far did the stock 2019 make it?
When you say it isnt something your subaru could have done, why is that? Is honda's higher torque? because its heavier?
And would have xmode made a difference since it kicks off at 15mph
GamerNxUSN two things. The Honda Passport has a ZF9 transmission and 4.334 axles. That’s means a 20.4:1 crawl ratio. It also has a pretty advanced AWD system with its twin clutch rear differential and power based torque vectoring. This is not the same system that is in the CRV.
I owned a 2015 Forester XT with Xmode, and I would not be able to climb like that mid hill.
Awesome, enjoyed every minute ...
Awesome video Jon..!!
Lion Runner thank you 🙏
Ha ha , John I was in Yosemite for 3 days June 19-20-21 - Sounds like you were there earlier in June eh, just missed you bro. That's great news on the engagement... I can't believe she accepted your proposal. :-) - I"ll have to venture down south and trail ride with you guys some day.
P F it would be an honor to trail with you. Ive been wanting to go back to take my inflatable kayak on the lazy river. The water levels were so high that there was only 1 foot of vertical clearance under the bridge in Yosemite village
@@JonDZ_Adventuring But those waterfalls... the mist trail was awesome going up towards Half Dome. Kayaking that river would be fun. I go to Yosemite at least twice a year to catch different elements of the park.
Got any contact info for the owner of the GF8 who lost his grill? I'd love to ask him some questions.
Adventuring Trek that’s Zach Brooks, find him in the MtnRoo Facebook group or you can hit him up on IG @dirty_preza.fozzila
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thanks
Redline diff fluid would fix that
What happenned to your white forester?
bchin324 unfortunately I traded in my Forester XT. The CVT started going out at 60k miles, so after I got it replaced under warranty I started thinking about what would happen if the CVT went out again. I bought it used with 10k miles. I had it less than two years and already racked up another 50k. I made an executive decision to trade it in while it still had lots of value. I got $15k on the trade in, and that made a sweet down payment.
bchin324 I also have to add that I wasn’t going to just get any vehicle. I checked out a tacoma but it was too small for me. The floor sits really high taking away leg room, so that vehicle was a no go for me.
I had already known about the advanced all wheel drive system in the Passport, but when I test drove it, it blew me away. It was so smooth and powerful and quick! The acceleration response was instant and flies off the line for such a heavy 4250 lb. vehicle. So I didn’t trade in the Forester just to get rid of it, I traded it in because I was very impressed by the Passport.
I should have bought your forester related setup lol.
Hi JonDZ,
I have 2018 Forester with all terrain tires but I do not have any off road experience. Would you recommend this trail for me to try or should I try easier trails like Holcomb first? Thank you!
I would recommend checking out Hungry Valley SVRA. There are a ton of trails of all difficulty levels. In addition, there is usually a good amount of other people around if you get stuck and need some help. You can start on the easier trails and work your way up if you feel comfortable. Schmidt Ranch is a good trail to start on.
@@TheWrxrally Thank you for your input. I will try those first.
Is there any CUV with a non CVT or. manual transmission?
Dan L. Yes there is. For 2019: Toyota RAV4, Mazda CX-5, Acura RDX, BMW X1/X3, VW Tiguan, Chevy Equinox, Hyundai SanteFe, Kia Sportage just to name a few.
JonDZ Adventuring Out of those, the Acura RDX looks like a stellar choice, especially with their class leading SH-AWD system.
That’s true Dreamy, the RDX does have the most capable awd system out of the bunch. SH-AWD and iVTM4 are mechanically they same, just tuned different. I don’t think the RDX has the simulated locker mode, just eco, normal, and sport. The RDX has a crossover class leading 22:1 crawl ratio though with the Honda 10 speed transmission. The world needs an Acura RDX off road youtuber! Who will take on this responsibility. I want to see it!!!
Awesome video Burns canyon and Tip Top mountain are my favorite trails. Not trying to sound like a hater but I am genuinely curious as to why someone who enjoys off roading would get a crossover. I understand that you save on gas, but I would think that the cost of modifications to a crossover would outweigh the extra money you'd eventually spend on gas with a real 4x4. Also with a transfer case you don't have to worry about overheating as much in addition to the low speed control and torque. The subaru and passport AWD systems work great, but without the low end torque they are limited. You also have more actual ground clearance and wayyy better angles with a truck/jeep. Also instead of off roading a leased vehicle you could invest in an off road only rig for a couple grand, such as an older toyota pickup/4runner, pathfinder, ranger or jeep that could do Burns canyon in 2wd and wheel the harder trails as well. Keep up the great content man!
Because it's fun to drive a slow car fast.
Also I don't have to put up with driving a body on frame vehicle for the 99% of miles I do on pavement.
Albert B I’m definitely not taking your comment as hate. You’re right, I love to go out there. I call what I do “adventuring” (I don’t like to call it off-roading). I use to drive an FJ cruiser and did not like the poor onroad handling. I absolutely require my vehicle to perform onroad. My WRX, Forester XT and now this Passport are superb on road.
bruceyyyyy this Passport is actually pretty darn quick tho. Car and driver says 0-60 in 5.8 and a 14.5 quarter mile 😃
@@JonDZ_Adventuring That's only a little slower than a stock Accord. Not bad!
I wasn't talking about speed with the slow car fast comment though. 😘
bruceyyyyy I know what you meant, just seemed like a good opportunity to elaborate on that “onroad performance” I was talking about.
Also, that kid Justin with the 2019 Forester use to drive a V8 4 runner (must be an older model, I don’t remember those) and his Family owns a 1st gen Ford Raptor. He said he enjoyed driving the Forester on these trails because of how nimble it was, so some people just want to give up capability for a smoother and more responsive ride. This is what Edmunds has been trying to tell us with their “Rubicon vs. crosstrek” and “4Runner vs. 19 Forester” videos.
Please pet me know the next time you plan on going out with a large group. 😎👍
I’m #477 subscriber for Project Wagon. I’m looking to either buy my firiend’s 2005 Outback XT manual or his 2019 Crosstrek both have been lifted. I had a 2022 4Runner TRD Off Road with KDSS for 1 month and the MPG’s killed me (I drive for Uber/Lyft). Not sure which one I want to get. I’m looking to do car camping and the Crosstrek has more aftermarket support and probably will cost less in fuel.
Thanks Jon
Aaron Charles yw!
Great stuff!
14 inches isn't your ground clearance ground clearance should be measured at the lowest point that hangs from your car. It is good that you don't lose that much though.
Gabriel Martinez I’m not sure what part of this video you are referring to, but I have 11 inches of ground clearance. I’m sure I didn’t say 14 🤣
@@JonDZ_Adventuring when you had the tape measure out it said let measure how much ground clearance is lost by deflating your tires. By that thought you meant that was your ground clearance.
Gabriel Martinez ah, gotcha, I remember now. I believe it went from 14-3/8 to 14. So it’s a loss of 3/8” ground clearance from airing down. Those side overhangs represent my maximum ground clearance. A stock Toyota Tacoma has 18 inches max clearance stock. That’s a very useful place to have ground clearance, since it’s inline with the tires and makes driving over a rock 17 inches possible. I’d high center with my passport.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring no problem man. Was just stating it incase you weren't sure. Seems like you had some fun up there going next thursday/friday since I doubt it's on fire well at least I hope I got a 89 sidekick with locked rear open front on 31's and a 97 explorer v8 AWD on 33's with stock limited slip.
? Can ene one can join you or is subís only I gots toys only for trail I love get out there it is great video no question ask thanks if you respond
Anyone! Check out the latest video:
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I noticed you had Cooper AT3s last year but you have Wildpeak AT3Ws more recently. Did you have issues with the Coopers?
No issues, they were a great tire! They lasted 35k miles and the tread was at 5/32nds. It was time to change them out!
Clearance issues and transmissions overheating. It’s like climbing mount Mount Whitney with a pair of flip flops. One can probably do it, but safety and time efficiency becomes a huge factor. As much as I love crossover owners push their vehicles to the limit, there’s a good reason why most opt for a proper 4WD vehicle with lockers and low gearing. As long as you guys don’t alter the trail by stacking rocks, have fun and leave no trace! Great video!!!
nice!!!!
akui88 😃
11:43 Jeepers be like 🤔🤭😂🤣💀
if someone in your group own a new 2020 outback 2.4 turbo, I think both passport and it could be brotherhood without momentum action
Well, the crawl ratio will still be at around 14.7:1, my guess is it will still need momentum.
GIVE IT THE V-TEC
Hahaha. Click bait worked. No broken CVT
Damn awesome 👏
What a sausage fest. Hahaha. j/k...sort of. Thanks for the video. It's helpful because I sometimes tow a 2000lb trailer and the video shows that I wouldn't have any concerns going up this.
LMAO at 0.36
Isn’t it crazy how each manufacturers the strength and weakness. Honda’s seem to overheat their slips and difs- Subaru’s have their CVTs. I know you roll a Honda now but check out the OEM skid plate th-cam.com/video/ascez_kzOYk/w-d-xo.html
Bwahahhaha u got some balls
myelene1778 thank you 🙏
If you enjoy off roading, save up for a Wrangler or Bronco, it's a whole different world!
19:12 when your ego is driving.😝