The Valyrians who Survived the DOOM (Game of Thrones)
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- In Game of Thrones and in the A Song of Ice and Fire series, Targaryens have always been referred to as the only dragonlord family to make it out of the doom of valyria, but after reading the world building book “The world of ice and fire” you learn thats not necessarily true.
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Fun fact. Almost everyone in Lys has the blood of Old Valyria running through their veins, so much that majority of its citizens have the classical blonde hair and purple eyes Valyrian look. Makes me happy that the Valyrians aren't necessarily extinct.
soso694 They have valerian blood yes, but lower valyrian, not higher valyrian
I thought that was Volantis?
@@Argos-xb8ek Volantis also has a lot yes, but in Volarins, two thirds of the population are immigrants from other places or slaves so Lys has more
Lys is one of the daughters of Valyria and the one that arguably has the most sex, as it is a flesh trading city.
Wasn’t varys said to have silver hair??? And he was from lys
I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE 39 OTHER FAMILIES DAMNIT
Victarion Belaerys oh yes
it is 48 familes
Exactly what I thought would be talked about on some level in fore and blood
Exactly what I thought would be talked about on some level in fire and blood
you have to study house of Aati
House velaryon is my favorite
Divine Intervention they are pretty cool. Wish they were included in the show. They would have been a good ally to Dany.
Eleanor of Aquitaine they’re cool
@@bloodfalconfantastic4445 I'm here after their appearance is House of the Dragon :)
@@gothbossbabynot in it. Replaced by Summer Islanders.
i feel like martin took inspiration from the romans when writing about the valyrians minus the dragons lol
A fiddler played his fiddle while Valyria burned.
Hamzah Husain No shit Sherlock, lol
I've always thought the doom of valyria is eerily similar to the doom of Pompeii....
Hamzah Husain Maybe the doom of Valeria = Pompeis Fall and Sodom and Gomorah?
Hamzah Husain No! Really? Never would have guessed
I hope G.R.R.Martin gets to write Fire and Blood. I need it lol. Also there was supposed to be a spin off after Game of Thrones. Perhaps it'll talk about house Targaryen
I hope so too. But it'll take a lot of time and money to make spin off about them.
Mimie B7 it'll be worth it. plus it'll be quite interesting to see targaryens being inferior seeing as they were the lesser of the dragonlord families
I hope we get one of Essos
i'm pretty sure the first spin off we get will be set in Robert's Rebellion, it'll probably expand on the Leana, Rhaegar relationship
PP Hyjynx Martin himself confirmed in his blog the "successor" show, as he puts it, will not be about anything connected or leading up to the current series (no tie in). He was specific about it in saying no Roberts rebellion and no dunk and egg. Which I'm relieved for, because world of ice and fire is a lot bigger than what the show projects.
Wow I never remember hearing about other Valeryians being in Westoros, and especially not the Qoherys.
There are no Valeryians in Westeros
Zero that’s wrong house velaryon and Celtigar are still in power
@@magicman3400 house velaryon is almost extinct, and house celtigar are pretty weak handed rulers. nobody respects them not even the people living on their territory of Claw Isle. And also, none of them have dragons. No dragon = No power.
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Well, their blood still has more magical properties than not
And as for House Velaryon's numbers... well, how do you know?
What if Aurion's offspring are secretly living in mantary...or north east of Qohor. That would be crazy
just imagine other ancient Valyrian house survived and to come back with there dragons and winning Essos and Westeros.
"Everyone turned on the remaining valerians because of their dragons."
daenerys targaryen shows up with 3 dragons
"This is fine."
This was a really good video bro. I've always wondered "why are there no other families that survived the doom? One of them HAD to be on vacation or out of town when Valeria went up in flames right?!" Haha.
Looks like you were right! and Thanks
When people go to ruins of Valyria,and they dont return,maybe it is because of stone men attack them or there is something else there..?
Well the stone men living in the ruins is only a show thing. So there has to be something more to it
Lets hope that someone will return from Valyria and maybe reveal what is there..
I am quite sure that there were Stone men in the ruins. Shrouded lord and all that
Freek Mulder In the book are the Shrouded lord and the Stone men in the ruins of the Roynish. Greyscale is said to come from the Roynish ruins and it is said that it was created at the destruction of this magnificent civilisation for which we could thank the f***ing Valyrians.
In the books, you can't even get close to Valyria since it is an active volcanic site filled with toxic gas and Tyrion never gets close when he passes, he just sees the smoke and fire on the horizon. In the books, Tyrion passes by the ruins of the once great river city of Chroyane on the river Rhoyne which became known as the Sorrows after the Valyrians destroyed it. The Sorrows is basically a leper colony for the Stone Men. "Valyria" in the show is basically Chroyane in the books.
Adam of Hull of house velaryon had no confirmed targaryen ancestry but was a dragon rider.. it is the valyrian blood not the targaryen blood that allows them to be dragon riders
"Targaryen" is a family name. "Valyrian" is the name of a racial & ethnic group that is indigenous to Valyria. So, with that being said, the Targaryens ARE of the Valyrian race. Valyria was ruled by about 30 families (or something close to that number). These families were known as the Dragonlords. They were a small fraction of the Valyrian race as a whole, & as such they were the ruling elite of the Valyrian Freehold . Before The Doom, the Targaryens were one of these ruling Dragonlord families. Simply being a member of the Valyrian race is NOT what makes a person a Dragonlord , any more than being British does not necessarily mean that one is a member of the aristocracy.
The Dragonlords had an innate ability to be close to dragons for reasons lost in the mists of time. They perfected this ability over the centuries by not only selectively breeding dragons, but by using blood & fire-based sorcery on them, which was dangerously potent & perilous stuff. But the Dragonlords took it even further by not only using these breeding techniques & sorcery on the dragons, they also used it on themselves. This is the origin of why the Targaryens wed brother to sister - as with all of their Dragonlord kin & ilk, brother-sister marriages were done to to preserve their ability to command dragons & to keep such power from becoming diluted with the blood of normal people.
mrlopez2681 good info.. Thank you
Christopher Jordan house velaryon are valyrians and Addam of Hull is either laenor who’s mother was a Targaryen or corlys who had Targaryen acestry
Addam is a dragonseed despite being from house Velaryon-meaning that he has a Targaryen ancestor somewhere, with one of his parents being a cheeky Velaryon.
House Velaryon often intermarried with House Targaryen so they also have Targ blood
In the world of ice and fire there was a valyrian lady who married a yitish emperor in the east and she brought her dragon with her. So maybe there are some in Yiti who have the blood of the dragon.
Nice video! The Valyrians and their civilization have always been a fascinating part of the lore to me, I hope we learn more about their history in the future and why they fell and what became of them
Great idea for a video, haven't seen anyone else do it. Another great job man!
would have been interesting to see a world where Aurion succeeded in becoming emperor and didn't die
Daenerys made the same mistake as Aurion, tried to reclaim the old instead of building something new
I hope that the Targaryens aren't the last of the Original Valyrians. Just because when you remember things like Atlantis, and or any old Civilizations are gone and lost for all time.
Your videos are great. Very well explained! keep up the good work.
Thanks!
The Baratheons were also Valyrians! The founder was called Orys Baratheon, and he was the bastard half-brother of Aegon the Conqueror and he led an army against the Stormlands and Argilac the Arrogant of House Durrandon, and Orys’ army managed to defeat the Durrandons and Aegon named him Lord of Storm’s End after Orys took it, the Durrandons’ words and their sigil, and therefore he was able to found House Baratheon!
ESCswede They're not Valyrians, just Valyrian decents.
Well then the Targaryens are also Valyrian descents? They haven't been in Essos for like 300 years
@@theodorthorewik5005 The Targaryens are High Valyrians not descendants, Valyrian is a race. The Baratheons are just descended from them.
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So... Baratheons are indeed Valyrians then, as they are of House Targaryen, under a different name.
@@thalmoragent9344 No. they didn’t come from Valyria and only have Valyrian Blood due to intermarrying with Targaryens. They also don’t have Valyrian features nor has a single Baratheon rode a dragon and only Orys could have spoken Valyrian.
There is one house missed here. The Edoryens. Gorys Edoryen was alive when Aegon the pretender lead the golden company to try and retake the iron throne. He faiths alongside him but was killed in Roberts rebellion
I think he’s justa volantene not even of the old blood
just love your videos man!!!!!!!
Appreciate it!
You do a good job. Keep it up! 👑
Correct me if I'm wrong but no one has ever said that the Targaryens were the only Valyrians to escape the Doom but the only DRAGONLORDS. I'm really digging your videos btw you sound just like a super GoT fan like myself!!!
2 years late but if they werent dragonlords then they weren't high born valryrian which wouldnt even matter if they did live other than the fact that physical valyrian traits would still be present if that makes sense
One lived among the flames and dust left in this once plentiful land. He hunted the lords that ruled these lands and slew all with a rage and strength that none had scene before. This man who walked through this new hell became known to the survivors by one name. THE DOOM SLAYER
Whar
Love your videos! :D
Thank you!
I am rewatching all the videos during lockdown
Too bad valyria doesn't exists anymore, if they do still then the night king and his army can be easily stopped
You've done a lot of videos about the Targaryen's, their history, and rise to power. Have you thought about doing something about he Stark's history, how they united the north, and so forth? I think it would be interesting to hear about their rise to power from the time of the long night until they were forced to give up their titles as the King's of Winter.
You're right! I should be giving the Starks more love
So, in old valyria, there was families that were more stronger than the Targaryens??
Ya, the Targaryens were considered one of the weaker families
HaloLoreNerd and you thought Balerion was a big Dragon, haha, what a midget.
EzPzFakie / Orthodox Christianity no one knows...
The Targaryens were not a big family in Valyria, so no one seemed to listen to Aenar when he wanted to leave.
In its prime Valyria could call on three HUNDRED dragons to attack the Rhoynar, so imagine all that power-one that destroyed Ghis 5 times. Whoever was in charge must have been magnificent.
@@SantomPh right I'm tryna figure out who commanded those armies 😂😂 crazy asf
This is what I've been waiting for.
:)
whycreate your videos are really awesome !! You'll definitely hit 1 million subs very soon !!!
I had a question for you
remember the scene when benjen stark saved Brandon from the dead ? He said that he can't cross the wall with bran because it has some magical properties or is charmed with magic to prevent the dead from crossing it... he was partially dead too and hence couldn't cross the wall. So in the war with the Night King how will the white walkers and the dead cross the wall this time ?? Please answer this question or make a video about this if u can..... Thnks
Haha Thanks! In the books there's a horn that can supposedly bring down the wall. If the show doesn't add this horn in, the only other way is the mark on Bran's arm or finding a way around the wall since it doesn't cover every area.
Whycreate are u talking about the horn of winter ??
@@pranavsharma4494 This didn't age well
The targaryen and dorne history is the most interesting one.. Wanna hear more n more abt it every time
Iron born? I love Iron Islands lore too
thank you. .I've always wondered this. where in the world book did you see this info??
Theres's a chapter in the book dedicated to the doom, I don't remember the exact page number but its not that many chapters into it
But what about three cities surviving Doom in the northern part of Valyrian peninsula ? Mantarys, Tolos and Elyria. Are people of these cities descendants of Valyrians?
What is the name of the music used in this video, sounds like a Soul of cinder remix
4:41 we got that but no ending still on the present time scale
finally. it's being so long since the last time
:D
whycreate I love your channel, can you do more videos about House Targaryen legacy. keep with the good work
Why are you showing picture of the triarchy as Volantenes?
Yupp we even got that fire & blood you told us about 4 years ago still waiting on WOW
I need a spinoff series/books of essos
"Fire and blood" almost here ;)
I knew about velaryon, celtigars and some valyrian bastards that lived in the "free cities" like illyo wife. But house qoherys is new to me
Im wondering if there are more dragon riders further east???
Can you make a Tully or Arryn family tree?
Aurion was most likely Belaerys and he raised 30 000, not 3 000 men, otherwise pretty neat video!
if ever they made a show /movie bout old valyria civilisation at its peak😌.
the tv canon has dany fireproof ALL THE TIME... shouldn't that mean some other valryians were also fireproof all the time? the doom of valryia works in the books, but with the tv it kinda makes gives dany's fireproof loopholes to certain events.
book Dany isnt fireproof
Gabriel Divina The Valyrians did have magic well beyond anything we've seen up to this point, including fire magic. Also there are theories about the link to dragons being magical, which would be why not just anyone can tame a dragon. Taken together I don't see why being fireproof wouldn't be possible.
I love Incestuous Elves of Valyria & Later Westeros(The Valyrians & The Targaryen) and their Dragons. Hahaha. Love your lore Elves G. R.R. Martin hahaha.
I feel like the Children of The Forest represent Elves more than the Targaryens considering their connection to nature and long lifespans.
Varys is from Lis, so it's possible that his ancestors were from Valerya
what if the other dragonlords had survived
the Old Bloods remind me of the World Nobles in one piece
Im a huuuge one piece fan!
Same! I fell in love back when I was watching the 4kids dub and have stuck with it all these years. I can't help but drawing similarities with most other pieces of fiction, I guess you say I'm a little obsessed. Haha.
Both stories have massive worlds and tons of interesting characters so I can see why you compare it to GoT
Poor house Qoherys...Nobody survives Harranhall.
Lol martin already finnished Fire and blood before the winds of winter
Fire and blood part one
He wrote it in Finnish :-)
@@jerrywhoomst1116 he’s about to finish part two and still no winds of winter xD
So is house valyrion extinct or is it Intact ( I heard the side they where on in the "Dance of dragons" so just wondering)
They’re still around during Game of Thrones. They just aren’t a very big player.
@@heccra .....where though? (I'm not pressuring you into telling me, it's just they lived on "dragon stone" right? So present setting Robert's brother lived their so where could they have gone to) essos?
@@redadmiralofvalyria867 The Velaryons don’t live on Dragonstone, they live on another island next to Dragonstone called Driftmark. The Velaryons were basically the Targaryen’s cronies as they shared similar origins (Valyria) and married each other frequently through the centuries. When the Targaryens were overthrown, the Velaryons standing and power in Westeros fell. In present day they declared for Stannis in the War of the Five Kings. They still have a powerful navy, not as strong as it used to be but strong. That is why Stannis wanted them on his side. As for WHY they would join Stannis, we don’t really know. It could be they knew they couldn’t win in a fight against him and his army so they joined instead, or they could’ve joined on their own free will. Keep in mind the Targaryens have been out of power for years now and the last two known ones are on a whole other continent, faded into irrelevance. The Velaryon’s could’ve simply joined because they hated the Lannisters more than the Baratheons. After all, the grandmother of Stannis was a Targaryen. Also, sorry if anything confuses you, i’m typing this while very sleepy. 😂 Just saw how much I wrote 😳 oops.
@@heccra it's 👌
@@heccra soooo do you by any chance mean they support stannis is the books or show? (Or both?) Also if you could answer for me please, so Robert hated the targaryens right cause of liana stark right? But wouldn't any one from valyria be (and I know there are TONS OF survivors/descendants) "blood of the dragon"? Southam being said if any came to westeros (and had the valyrian traits like silver hair,purple eyes or all traits being the pale skin as well ) would Robert's hate/want to kill them? (Terribly sorry also just realized this is a mouthful 😅)
I really think you should speak less fast and articulate more, that would make it more enjoyable to watch
Edit: still a great video 😉
Johann Mendoza AGREED!! Great video, but he speaks way too quickly while meshing up the words he's trying to pronounce. For instance, "Vacation" @ 1:28 😖.
the targeryans were or were not one of the 40 familys of dragon lords that ruled valyria?
They were part of the 40 who ruled the freehold and were one of the weakest families
@@Johnny-xu3ny the weakest of the 40 right?
Sérgio Beleza not sure but i think they weren’t very powerful they weren’t weak but they weren’t the strongest
@@sergiobeleza9630 yes
i hope george r martin will wright a book about valeria
0:34 Aurion Belaerys I believe
correct me if I am wrong
Karlchene aka good boi Belaerys is the house of janaerys, the girl that tried to navigate sothoryos, but it Aurion could be from that house
I really petty the dragons
"won't be any time soon" I'm watching this 8/16/2022. Still, "won't be any time soon" before the series is finished. I've lost hope there will be an ending. That man is not getting any younger. Just saying...he needs help. He needs to bring in an assistant writer to do the heavy lifting and just get it done.
What about Baratheon? If orys Baratheon was aegons half brother wouldn’t that make the house made for him valyrian
His house didn't exist till after the doom so technically no.
The Sunglasses and Rambtons are also High-Valyrians in Westeros.
Do you know where this was referenced?
I play CK2:A Game of Thrones Mod, curious I looked for referrences, and though I can't remember where or when I looked, it was confirmed minor houses other than the Velaryons, Celtigars, and the short-lived Qoherys houses of High Valyrian descent are loyal to Targs. Their seat is west of Massey's Hook.
I doubt that the 35 dislikes trolls can’t explain this with all the maps and banners. Good research.
"Wood"
Targaryen, Valareyn and Celtigar
how is it possible they all died when they had so many colonies
(especially in sothoros)
If I had to take a guess, since the Targaryen's were the only dragon lords left. That meant any other surviving Valyrians were eventually hunted down and killed by those who hated Valyrians. For annexing their lands and enslaving the people they conquered. Not to mention the Dothraki could be another factor. After the Doom, there was a period of non stop violence called the Century of Blood. Because without the Valyrian dragons keeping them in line, the Dothraki went absolutely wild pillaging as much of Essos as they could. Only cities like Qarth and Mereen were spared; even Yunkai, Astapor and other major cities got raided at least once.
The way I see it, not all Valyrian families were dragon riders. The dragon rider families probably had the highest status among the Valyrians and lived in Vlayria since it was the seat of their empire. The non dragon riding Valyrian families probably branched out to other parts of the world because of their lower status.
So there are valyrian descendants all over essos but only lys and volentis have true old valyrians with valyrian traits.
My fanfiction is that there is violence against them in lys and volentis and they are forced to migrate in westros with targeryen help.
If you have theories on any other Valyrians, let us know!
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Thanks :D
whycreate your videos are really awesome !! You'll definitely hit 1 million subs very soon !!!
I had a question for you
remember the scene when benjen stark saved Brandon from the dead ? He said that he can't cross the wall with bran because it has some magical properties or is charmed with magic to prevent the dead from crossing it... he was partially dead too and hence couldn't cross the wall. So in the war with the Night King how will the white walkers and the dead cross the wall this time ?? Please answer this question or make a video about this if u can..... Thnks
I feel like House Dayne were valyrians,and they were sent away because they could not hatch a dragon
Hasel George Martin have dismissed that idea.
What about house sunglass
+potentially the Dayns and the Hoghtiwers because of their Valyrian looks. But these houses probably came long before the doom.
The Hightowers do not resemble the Valyrians at all.
As for Ashara Dayne (the only one with Valyrian looks) the Daynes are Dornishmen- they regularly descend from peoples outside Westeros- as people from Lys also have these appearances.
Dam
Rip Qoherys
Which I not be anytime soon 😂😂😂😂😂
George Martin better lose some fucking weight if he wants to get those books out
Jack Duck fat people can live just as long as anyone else, look at Winston Chruchill, that guy was an Alcoholic, Chained smoked Cigars for most of his love and was obese, he made it to 91 years old.
You forgot about house Sunglass
Jon snow is Valyrian
Good video. Please stop skipping syllables. Take your time to properly pronounce what you say.
Perhaps he has a speech impediment? Maybe it's a language barrier? Please, take your namesakes point & *disappear*
Seems like flimsy writing to me. The dragon lords in Lys and Tyrosh were just killed along with their dragons?
Wasn't the first killing of a dragon in westeros a VERY big deal? And the Targs were a lesser dragon family. So they would assumingly have lesser dragons.
How did a bunch of commoners in Lys kill dragons? Do they have scorpions in Essos? If dragons and their master's were that easy to kill, the valyrians would have never ruled anything
Other Valyrian ppl are more interesting imo high or low i dont really care🙄
Watched many of your videos but I still haven't subbed. I have little difficulty understanding your words. You seem to speak a bit too fast and stumble often on your words. I hope you improve in your speaking form because you have vast knowledge of our fave show. Please dont take this negatively.
I am far less impressed with Martin's "world building" after viewing this little history. Considering how devastatingly omnipotent the last three dragons are in the more 'modern times' of Game of Thrones, it is ridiculous to think people thousands of years earlier would be capable of killing the surviving dragon lords and their dragons with far more primitive technology as related here. Martin states these early dragons were far large than Drogon. Dragons this large could easily wear metal armor to protect any vulnerable area, like grills over their eyes (like a knight's helmet or chamfron on an armored horse, so no dragon could be shot in the eye as we see in other portions of this "history". These dragons would be so valuable that every precaution would be taken to make them virtually invulnerable. Unfortunately Martin is too ignorant or real military technology in ancient and medieval times to keep his world even remotely realistic. The notion of Jaime spurring on his horse to attack a dragon on the ground as we see in the last season of the series is also totally asinine, though I cannot say if Martin would ever do something that stupid in his books. The first Roman cavalry to see Elephants were terrified of them and would not approach them at all, so to think that horses would attack a dragon confirms how ignorant the writers of the series are. (Just as the idiot-Bishop who dreamed up the St George and the Dragon fairytale, and all of the equally ridiculous dragonslayer nonsense that imitated it). It is a shame such a great series as Game of Thrones has degenerated to such childish, laughable rubbish (despite great acting and special effects), because both Martin and the series writers are far too ignorant of real military history and technology to write a realistic story.