it’s really funny how in HotD, where the Celtigars make their live action debut, they’re never mentioned as one of the last Valyrian houses to survive the Doom. It’s always the Velaryons and Targaryens that are mentioned (which makes sense since they’re the two powerful houses in the realm at the time). I doubt they’ll make an impact when Dany comes over but i really want to see how things play out when there’s a chance at a Targaryen restoration with either her or Faegon.
@thatoneblackdude3333 True. They didn't have dragons, and they didn't have a fleet the size of the Velaryons, so that left them as a rich house without much power projection. Still important legacy wise, just not on the grand scale of things I guess They are good with their coins though, like a "Lannister" version of a Valyrian house
CRAB PEOPLE CRAB PEOPLE CRAB PEOPLE. It’s also kind of telling of how influential they are due to their heraldry. Targaryens have dragons, Velayrons have a sea horse, Celtigars just have crabs. Their names aren’t even that valyrian
I feel like Edwel put those taxes in place to try and set up Jaehaerys to take the throne with good will think about it he could bleed the realm and get as much gold as he could and then the boy comes to power and poof all these unpopular taxes are gone like a bad dream all hail jaehaerys if that is the case it was rather well done
Always thought we haven't gotten much out of this Valyrian house. Cool how they're also basically a very rich house that just keeps its wealth close to home. I've found it odd how a Celtigar was usually chosen as a Master of Coin for some time, yet they've never had any of their members married to the Targaryens or Velaryons as far as we see. Sure they didn't have the typical features, as it seems they've maybe been in Westeros longer than even the Velaryons and so had a disconnect for some time, but having some blood of the Dragon reinvigorated within them would've been a cool idea. And hey, who knows, mayhaps later when Dany arrives, a Celtigar will come to her aid. A Celtigar riding a dragon would be a cool way to make an Old Valyrian comeback. Mayhaps with a Velaryon on the other. It sounds like a fanfic but, a Targaryen, Velaryon, and Celtigar riding on Dragons as they return to Westeros for another Targaryen Conquest would be a truly epic Valyrian Dragonlord moment.
Always wished Martin had made them a tad more important. It never made since for them to be a rich valyrian house as well and get so less attention than house Velaryon.
The Celtigars can’t get cut out from future HOTD episodes because (spoiler alert) Bartimos Celtigar’s horrendous tax policy is one of the main causes of the massive King’s Landing riots that effectively ended Rhaenyra’s reign in King’s Landing. Those riots won’t make sense otherwise!
I know this is a dated comment at this point. But the riots will be over food and not taxes with how the show is going. But on the bright side, he has been included but not as a very interesting or fleshed dour character.
This is why i like the Greens (a bit), they knew all that "realm's delight" BS would go disappear as soon as the smallfolk's purse was lightned. They doomed Rheanyra's reign before she set a foot back in Kings Landing lol.
I wonder what was the point for GRRM to make the Celtigars of Valyrian ancestry if that never plays a role in their history or lore lol. Like they might as well just been another regular westerosi house
There's more than _3_ houses of Valyrian origin in Westeros; Targs (obviously) - Velaryons (just about as obvious) - Celtigar (d'uh) - however, you forget that the *_Baratheon's_* are also of Valyrian descent: it was an open secret that Orys Baratheon was Aerion Targaryen's bastard, & half-brother of the Conqueror- but it seems that the Valyrians didn't adopt all Westerosi customs, like the bastard names, before the Conquest. There's actually little known of traditions surrounding bastardy in Essos. I suppose the reason the Baratheons elude the conversation- despite the multiple marriages with Targaryen's, is, in part- because they adopted the arms & words of the Durrandon's, through Orys' marriage to its' end-of-line heiress - & in the other part, (possibly) because they weren't one of the 40 Families of Dragonlords of Valyria, Orys didn't possess the 'classically Valyrian looks', of pale hair & purple/ light eyes And there's also the *_Qoherys_* , who didn't survive past the first century after the Conquest- but they were *still* of Valyrian descent.
If you want to build on that even further you could also argue House Baratheon of Dragonstone, Storms End and King's Landing are a separate entities. Plus there is some suggestion there are at least a couple of Baratheon cadet houses, but they may very well be Durrandon we don't know yet. Plus i guess you could make a case that House Longwaters is both a cadet house of both House Targaryen and Velaryon which would technically mean they were of Valyrian descent even if they didn't come from there.
@@WorldOfWesteros I recall there's a Stormlands house- Wensington, I think- that has the Durrandon/ Baratheon colours reversed, in part of its' arms - I can't think of any others off the top of my head; though I think they *do* predate the Conquest, so they must be Durrandon (& thus First Men/ Andal) in origin...
@@m.williams4971 We don't actually know that- we just know that they were not dragonlords. Dragonstone was Valyria's westernmost outpost (settled for some two centuries by the time of his arrival) - it's probable that whoever was governing it, prior to Aenar's arrival (with his wives- as well as siblings, kin, children & supporters, according to 'Fire & Blood') was not a dragonlord- & thus gave way to him, because he came with 5 dragons. Because Valyria didn't have the 'bastard name' convention of Westeros, Baratheon could have been his (Orys') mother's family name- or even his mother's husband's name -- a lot in relation to the Valyrian Freehold is still all rather speculative, until GRRM reveals more - we only know like two or three dragonlord families' names, _including_ the Targaryens, out of like the 40 that there were said to be...
Kinda sucks to be a Celtigar, being from Valyria and yet no dragons to their name at all..... They may have been good with money but they clearly weren't rich enough in the freehold to get a dragon... or Their's died in the Doom..... Even the Veleryons got Vhagar and Seasmoke for a time!
Nahhh the loudest in the room is the weakest. They have a motherfuckkin only valyrion steal Axt in the whole world and they still live well and never have a problem in any wars that they have to fear of themselves or the hometown craw island
No the Targaryens were the only Dragonlord family to survive the doom and outside of the 40 families no other family ever had dragons. The Celtigars and Velaryons were already in westeros.
it’s really funny how in HotD, where the Celtigars make their live action debut, they’re never mentioned as one of the last Valyrian houses to survive the Doom. It’s always the Velaryons and Targaryens that are mentioned (which makes sense since they’re the two powerful houses in the realm at the time). I doubt they’ll make an impact when Dany comes over but i really want to see how things play out when there’s a chance at a Targaryen restoration with either her or Faegon.
Condal said they did that on purpose
@@thedragondemands i’m familiar, just really loved that even within the HotD production team the Celtigars are a bit of a meme like within the fanbase
I wonder why there so ignored in lore as one of the 3 survivors you'd think they'd be a bit more important.
@@thedragondemands
Which is a shame, cause surely that would be mentioned at least once, no?
@thatoneblackdude3333
True. They didn't have dragons, and they didn't have a fleet the size of the Velaryons, so that left them as a rich house without much power projection. Still important legacy wise, just not on the grand scale of things I guess
They are good with their coins though, like a "Lannister" version of a Valyrian house
CRAB PEOPLE CRAB PEOPLE CRAB PEOPLE.
It’s also kind of telling of how influential they are due to their heraldry. Targaryens have dragons, Velayrons have a sea horse, Celtigars just have crabs.
Their names aren’t even that valyrian
We’re crab people now.
Crab raves are great though and never forget that everyone return to crabs.
They share ‘gar’ with the Targs 🤷♂️
They have Crabs because they are masters of Claw Island (presumably named for the many crabs) and also nominally control Crackclaw Point.
Celtigars may be forgotten but they're probably thankful they are alive unlike Qoherys.
I feel like Edwel put those taxes in place to try and set up Jaehaerys to take the throne with good will think about it he could bleed the realm and get as much gold as he could and then the boy comes to power and poof all these unpopular taxes are gone like a bad dream all hail jaehaerys if that is the case it was rather well done
Always thought we haven't gotten much out of this Valyrian house. Cool how they're also basically a very rich house that just keeps its wealth close to home.
I've found it odd how a Celtigar was usually chosen as a Master of Coin for some time, yet they've never had any of their members married to the Targaryens or Velaryons as far as we see.
Sure they didn't have the typical features, as it seems they've maybe been in Westeros longer than even the Velaryons and so had a disconnect for some time, but having some blood of the Dragon reinvigorated within them would've been a cool idea.
And hey, who knows, mayhaps later when Dany arrives, a Celtigar will come to her aid. A Celtigar riding a dragon would be a cool way to make an Old Valyrian comeback. Mayhaps with a Velaryon on the other.
It sounds like a fanfic but, a Targaryen, Velaryon, and Celtigar riding on Dragons as they return to Westeros for another Targaryen Conquest would be a truly epic Valyrian Dragonlord moment.
Thanks for such an in depth explanation of this family and their history. As always, your podcasts are above reproach
The house with the Valyrian Steel Axe!
And not a warrior to wield it.
For the watch!!
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And For Old Valyria!!!
The most ancient and noble empire it time 🔥🔥🩸🩸
Always wished Martin had made them a tad more important. It never made since for them to be a rich valyrian house as well and get so less attention than house Velaryon.
Crabs in the chat!
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House Celtigar words:
"We Get No Respect"
or
"Clawing Our Way to Recognition" 😂
How about “We’ve done nothing useful, even after generations”
The Celtigars can’t get cut out from future HOTD episodes because (spoiler alert) Bartimos Celtigar’s horrendous tax policy is one of the main causes of the massive King’s Landing riots that effectively ended Rhaenyra’s reign in King’s Landing. Those riots won’t make sense otherwise!
I know this is a dated comment at this point. But the riots will be over food and not taxes with how the show is going. But on the bright side, he has been included but not as a very interesting or fleshed dour character.
This right here@@thomasleonardis711
This is why i like the Greens (a bit), they knew all that "realm's delight" BS would go disappear as soon as the smallfolk's purse was lightned. They doomed Rheanyra's reign before she set a foot back in Kings Landing lol.
The showrunners kinda forgot the Celtigars are from Valyria.
The forgotten middle child lol
Middle child? How’s that?
This episode is now EXTREMELY relevant rn lol
I wonder what was the point for GRRM to make the Celtigars of Valyrian ancestry if that never plays a role in their history or lore lol. Like they might as well just been another regular westerosi house
Quite realistic to do so. Not everyone play a significant role in history regardless of their association or background.
How do we get the map! I want to buy a copy of the map you're using
If House Celtigar is Valyrian, do they have silver hair and purple eyes too ?
Yes
From what we can tell they do, but just like some members of house targaryen there is likely some variation in there too
House Celtigar: We exist too!
For House Dustin of Barrowton Lord of Barrowton. “Our Word Yet Lives.”
Celtigar, I choose you! 🦀
Can't wait to see what the house does in house of the dragon season 2
Imagine if you put Eugene Krabs as master of coin
@@anarion211983 let's get it lol
Nothing. They aren’t that important.tant
@@m.williams4971now hold on. That one guy stammers in frustration a lot and got a royal slap in the lordly face for his tone. That’s SOMETHING!!
Were can i download the westeros map you have?
Crabs in chat boys 🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀
So is the 🦀 Crab Feeder from the house of Celtigar?
Nope
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Not a lot of attention, but are still alive and still on their sit
There's more than _3_ houses of Valyrian origin in Westeros; Targs (obviously) - Velaryons (just about as obvious) - Celtigar (d'uh) - however, you forget that the *_Baratheon's_* are also of Valyrian descent: it was an open secret that Orys Baratheon was Aerion Targaryen's bastard, & half-brother of the Conqueror- but it seems that the Valyrians didn't adopt all Westerosi customs, like the bastard names, before the Conquest. There's actually little known of traditions surrounding bastardy in Essos.
I suppose the reason the Baratheons elude the conversation- despite the multiple marriages with Targaryen's, is, in part- because they adopted the arms & words of the Durrandon's, through Orys' marriage to its' end-of-line heiress - & in the other part, (possibly) because they weren't one of the 40 Families of Dragonlords of Valyria, Orys didn't possess the 'classically Valyrian looks', of pale hair & purple/ light eyes
And there's also the *_Qoherys_* , who didn't survive past the first century after the Conquest- but they were *still* of Valyrian descent.
If you want to build on that even further you could also argue House Baratheon of Dragonstone, Storms End and King's Landing are a separate entities. Plus there is some suggestion there are at least a couple of Baratheon cadet houses, but they may very well be Durrandon we don't know yet. Plus i guess you could make a case that House Longwaters is both a cadet house of both House Targaryen and Velaryon which would technically mean they were of Valyrian descent even if they didn't come from there.
@@WorldOfWesteros
I recall there's a Stormlands house- Wensington, I think- that has the Durrandon/ Baratheon colours reversed, in part of its' arms - I can't think of any others off the top of my head; though I think they *do* predate the Conquest, so they must be Durrandon (& thus First Men/ Andal) in origin...
There’s nothing close to pure blood Valyrian at any of the Baratheon’s origins. Started with a bastard, half 1st man or Andal.
@@m.williams4971
We don't actually know that- we just know that they were not dragonlords.
Dragonstone was Valyria's westernmost outpost (settled for some two centuries by the time of his arrival) - it's probable that whoever was governing it, prior to Aenar's arrival (with his wives- as well as siblings, kin, children & supporters, according to 'Fire & Blood') was not a dragonlord- & thus gave way to him, because he came with 5 dragons.
Because Valyria didn't have the 'bastard name' convention of Westeros, Baratheon could have been his (Orys') mother's family name- or even his mother's husband's name -- a lot in relation to the Valyrian Freehold is still all rather speculative, until GRRM reveals more - we only know like two or three dragonlord families' names, _including_ the Targaryens, out of like the 40 that there were said to be...
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House of the Big Meaty CLAWS!
Kinda sucks to be a Celtigar, being from Valyria and yet no dragons to their name at all..... They may have been good with money but they clearly weren't rich enough in the freehold to get a dragon... or Their's died in the Doom..... Even the Veleryons got Vhagar and Seasmoke for a time!
Nahhh the loudest in the room is the weakest. They have a motherfuckkin only valyrion steal Axt in the whole world and they still live well and never have a problem in any wars that they have to fear of themselves or the hometown craw island
No the Targaryens were the only Dragonlord family to survive the doom and outside of the 40 families no other family ever had dragons. The Celtigars and Velaryons were already in westeros.
First to take the Black 🖤
Yay the crabs
Are they Celtics