Bran saying "I can't be lord of anything anymore, I'm the 3 eyed raven" and then immediately takes the iron throne is ridiculously bad writing. How did no one even catch that
Absolutely insane how they threw away their legacy and the opportunity to cement GoT as a TV masterpiece, all to go work on Star Wars, which eventually didn't even happen. This could have been so incredible
The worst part is no one would have had an issue with them being burned out and stepping down handing the reigns to another who would do the ending justice. But no their ego had to end it on their shitty rushed turns ruining a decade of investment on a storyline
@@NoSyrupLeft true, they even got offered an extra season (or two?) by HBO who clearly were very worried the ending was being rushed and wouldn't be given enough time with just that short final season. Massive egos. So many talented people could have stepped in and done an amazing job. Can't imagine how much money they lost for everyone involved. I am just one fan but I know I would for sure own the Prime 1 Night King statue at this point if they hadn't ruined the character
It’s so weird to see the way the signature blondeness of the Lannisters was progressively abandoned over time. Those early shots of season one Tyrian with his straightened blonde hair - by the end he has curly dark hair with inexplicable honey-coloured tips, while Jamie has been allowed to revert to the actor’s natural mousey brown.
It was the wig budget. It was huge and they wanted to pick and choose who needed to adhere and then they also didn't want to make the hairdressers AND the actors get their hair bleached because it's so damaging to the hair and it's so time consuming to touch up the roots, which would likely have to be done weekly. Good wigs are extremely expensive, the wigs on House of the Dragon pale in comparison to the wigs in the first 3-4 seasons of GoT. Good wigs are extremely expensive and they SHOULD BE, because in order to look real, they take hours and hours and hours of hand creation and maintenance. Otherwise they look fake and terrible quality, like they do in HotD.
It took Rob Stark an entire season to cross the continent. By season 6 and 7, main characters were jumping around the continent within adjoining scenes in the same episode. When that started happening I knew the wheels were falling off.
Tyrion teasing Brienne about being a virgin and Sansa saying her abuse wasn’t so bad because it made her smart were some of the most painful scenes in season 8.
The whole Sansa arc was a f up, she should have outwitted Little finger in the Eerie and be the one who leads the Vale into battle with the Boltons. Not because of any Feminist bollocks but because it would be right. Jon and his boys head South, recover Osha and Rickon then send a Raven to the Vale requesting help. Aryas story is in Kings Landing and should only reunite at the end.Bran should stay stuck in a tree warging and using his powers, he certainly shouldn't be King in fact the Monarchy destruction should be the end.
@@dmac3183 Exactly. Sansa's been in King's Landing this whole time observing politics. Her arc should have been about learning from Cersei and Littlefinger how to be a political powerhouse, ending in her outwitting Littlefinger in a "student becomes the master" type arc.
@@scarymonsterzz and that scene of her in the white dress getting r#### was outrageous and distasteful, only done for shock value and online interaction. Jamie, Jon , Sir Barristan, Varys and so many others were mistreated as characters, and the Dorne plot was a waste of talent.
Thank you and folks saying it’s been heavily foreshadowed just don’t get her character at all yes dany has been ruthless which you’ve gotta be when you’re in war and have to show your power but to say she’s insane and wanna kill a bunch of women and children because of bells is so stupid, like she immediately charges to the red keep and instead of going to kill Cersei she burns a bunch of people like what sense did that make the execution was awful and you could see in certain scenes that dany wasn’t on drogon
@@ACinemafanatic This is what I dislike about the Mad Queen theory: the mad part. I think insanity is a cheap, lazy plot device to have characters do illogical things without having to explain it beyond "oh, she's crazy". I can live with ruthless Daenerys, but not mad Daenerys. And even the real history which inspired Martin has an interesting equivalent to Daenerys: King Henry VII of England. What's very interesting about him is this: he's a very paranoid individual, no one likes him, BUT he never became a homocidal psychopath. He'd rather fine his enemies than kill them. At the end of the day, Henry took a kingdom in turmoil after decades of civil war and stabilized it, filled its coffers and left his son, Henry VIII the first peaceful/uncontested transfer of power after a very long time. No one liked him, but he was a competent king. He was devious and paranoid, but not insane. I think an equivalent ending for Daenerys would be much more interesting: she wins the throne and becomes a competent ruler, but she never finds peace of mind, popularity, love, safety (embodied by the house with the red door in the books).
i hate the mad queen arc cuz nothing in the books everrrrrrrr talks about dany becoming evil or like her father at allllllllllll so so many readers discuss and dissect every dany chapter word for word and i don't mind even recommending some
You forgot to mention John is sentenced to the wall that doesn't exist anymore. The wall that doesn't exist anymore that was built to keep the people up north that are now living down south. The producers and writers knew they had a mad hit on their hands took the money and ran.
Lmfao when I first watched the ending I was so confused about all the plot lines collapsing that I didn’t even notice that one. A final dung throw at our faces let’s say 😂
I was so upset! Lol 😆 I had to keep telling myself, "It's just a show calm tf down." I couldn't believe it! I understand that D&D wanted to move on to "bigger and better things." Why didn't they pass it on to other writers? They knew this was the biggest series ever. It's was a slap in the face to loyal viewers. The way they made Dany batshit crazy was the most heartbreaking because throughout the entire series, she wanted to be different from her father. Smh.
The entirety of season 7 and season 8 should have been delegated to the coming of winter and the long night. Make it actually long. Like a near full season of just night and dread. Let that be part of the spark that sends Daenerys down the path of mad queen, as she keeps sacrificing more and more for the realm that doesn't trust her, doesn't support her, doesn't take the winter seriously at her expense -finally clashing with her losing her 2nd dragon to Cersei using a moment of weakness to her own benefit, promising to send aid but instead takes out a dragon because it was finally convenient for her to do so when Daenerys was weak and torn between fighting the death in the north, and seeking aid form the south.
@@Real_MisterSir They literally could have done so much. Draw on things like the Eastern Front of World War 2 or Napoleon's Campaign in Russia. Show how brutal and how much a meat grinder this war is, how the characters battle the elements and enemies
@@Real_MisterSiryea a whole season of them dealing with the long night and the night king would of been absolutely epic ..they should have lost the battle at winterfell raised the stakes the dead enveloping more n more of Westeros forcing all lords to unite under Jon aka azora hai ..winning just by a thread with Jon dueling the night king and able to land a killing blow with the help of Arya ..don’t know what to do with Danny tho ..but Cersei should been wrapped up before the night king …he was the final boss …
The magic of the world doesn’t need to all be explained, but the bran thing definitely needed to. He supposed to be a librarian type warlock/wizard for humanity that also keeps info and history safe from evil supernatural beings and forces such as the White Walkers. But nothing came of it. Why the F does a storyteller make a good king?!?! 🤷♂️🤦 It’s like if a good published author was immediately put into office as President despite not having the qualifications nor a proper run of an election. It’s stupid. Bran was interesting as a character born with supernatural abilities and natural magic within him similar to other wargs, but he practically did nothing with it. All he did was take over the minds and bodies of animals and sometimes astral projection. No further powers he demonstrated such as potentially telekinesis, pyrokinesis (which would be useful against ice zombies especially), and also that time traveling using his powers didn’t amount to much. Why introduce time travel to a high fantasy world?! It at first seemed like just seeing into the past, but clearly he was unintentionally interacting with the world and events but yet stops. At least with Harry Potter they only did the time watch thing once because too many meddlings with time could create chaotic problems and paradoxes and diverging timelines which could harm their present. Bran was wasted.
@ParkerCS2 Yeah, you're right. The magic didn't need completely revealed, but Bran, being a glorified animal spy, was useless for sure. It's so boring and stupid. They could've done a lot more.
@@curtthechameleon yes. Also in the book there are some similar naturally gifted supernatural powered people who could change like werewolves into different animals which some of the starks were. I don’t know the exact name but they were like wargs but instead of controlling minds of people and animals they could turn into animals and fight in those forms. So much from the books they left out the HBO version.
Yeah, that and Fatty boring AF getting a major character arc filled with nothing but boring & pathetic cliché... Whoa, he became another worthless maester.
Bran who nobody ever guesses would be ruler because he is so boring and was missing for one entire season. You're right, the raven thing was never explained. If he could see everything then he is to blame for not warning anyone about Danny's atrocity at kings landing amongst countless other bad things.
Honestly those writers are either, the least talent writers in Hollywood history or just absolutely scumbags that had the biggest show of all time and got tired (boo fucking who) of filming and decided to just shit out whatever came to mind. Either way, man George screwed up when he selected them, seemingly because they probably read some Reddit theory about Jon’s parentage and they got it right 😭 fuck them
I once heard a great comparison to Arya killing the Night King. It’s the equivalent of Legolas surfing into mount Doom and back flipping off while throwing the ring into the lava.
@@SmartMarkSterling yes. Because it was lazy writing and ignored everything that was told to be about Jon as the prince who was promised. Why else was he brought back to life
People got mad because discarded the build up entirely, not to say all the mystery with the Night King.............. Well, fan theories will have to do
seriously this is beyond dumb of them. In Game of Thones a normal winter lasts 10 years... The Long Night is supposed to be the 1000 year winter of death... oh wait nope its over before it even reaches The Neck. Just willful stupidity and the pitch black battle is not even that well done. Fuk Dumb and Dumber
It was like an average night long battle. The only excuse-interpretation i can make is that they were battling for around 7 hours so the night felt looonger than usual
@@SombraCheeks actually an eternal winter of death but yes. The original Long Night set during the first invasion of the White Walkers and threats beyond the wall in the show’s mythology was about 1000 years which it lasted before they were defeated and retreated back to the undead kingdom and before the magical wall was built to prevent another attack from happening.
I mostly blame him for missing so many deadlines. Yes, the show runners fumbled, but it is not really reasonable to expect great adapters to become amazing writers.
I mean they could have discussed it with GRRM and he might have provided more feedback, but he kept saying he was completely excommunicated from those final seasons. Tbh, the show simply needed a bit more time for cooking and get to G the schedule together because now they needed more writers and had to produce actual writing instead of pick up amazing arcs from the books.
i was expecting the show not to follow the non existent books, but at least follow GRRMs outline of what he wanted for the show to become. The show shouldn't be as good as the books, or be exactly the same, because the books need to be better and need to give GRRM more money. But they made the show a complete dumpster fire instead. You have to try your hardest and than some to write the show this badly in the end.
The fact that they warned us about the danger of the white walkers for 7 seasons, basically saying that who sits on the throne doesn't really matter because they will need to face a much bigger threat just to have Arya killing the Night King in ep. 3 is something that i will never forgive
I agree that s8 should have been longer and at least half should have been fighting the dead. And throwing away the prince that was promised lore and instead giving it to Arya because she was a fan favorite character was such a let down. bran and or Jon should have way more involved. Arya could.have cleared the way or took over for theon and defended bran until he did something useful.
It’s a disgrace. Even the finale of season 7 the show was still on track with the White Walkers being the main threat. For them to discard that plot and expect us to be happy is mind boggling.
In my opinion when it was clear they’d overtake the books they should have had George help them sketch out a simpler alternate ending for the show. That would fit better in the time they had while also not spoiling the end of the books. It also probably needed one or two more seasons to wrap things up without rushing.
Problem is they stopped listening to him and threw out his original outline because he didn't like the direction they were taking especially with Little finger selling Sansa to the Bolton's. That did not sit well with him and they would not listen and so he left.
They didn’t even run out of book material. Seasons 1 and 2 roughly adapted to A Game of Thrones and A Clash of Kings respectively. Seasons three and four split up A Storm of Swords. Season 5 stuffs parts of A Feast For Crows and A Dance of Dragons while season 6 is mostly new material with bits of leftover book plot conveniently peppered peppered throughout. If they had adapted Feast and Dance as thoroughly as they did the first three, they could have gotten two to three more seasons of just book material. Where needed for pacing they could have gone off the rails a bit but so much never made it from page to screen and it sucks.
@@phillytheflyerable If only the characters moved at that pace early in the show. It could've been over before R.R. Martin left and those two morons took over.
One of the most infuriating writing fuckups is when Tyrion finds Jamie and Cercei they're literally buried under a single layer of bricks, if they stepped a bit in to the right they'd have survived. But in their death scene it seems like the entire keep is collapsing.
Bro did you forget how a zombie dragon literally destroys the wall that was standing for god knows how many years by his flames but the same dragon could not even make a crack on the rock behind which jon was hiding
Joffrey's killer was technically revealed sooner. Olena tells Margery she had something to do with it. She tells her "you didn't think I was going to let you marry him did you?"
The arrogance and incompetence of the writers killed the show in the end. As it often does in stories, especially long running ones. You can have great shots, interesting worlds, decent characters, but you can't compensate bad writing.
On top of a horrible last season and ending,when the fans voiced their complaints,the show runners reacted by saying"We don't owe the audience anything!".
Peter dink dinklage's reaction also threw me off. He said dumb shit like "people want a happy ending that's why they're mad" like m8 that's not even close to why people are mad, nobody expects a happy ending from this show but one that makes sense
Yes it’s awful. And it’s a shame because I love early Thrones so much. It almost kills the replay value. I now get about half way through season 5 and just start over from episode 1.
And yet despite them rushing through every plot line, they still managed to pack half of Season 8 with filler. Most of the important things happened off screen, and all of the stupid or pointless things happened on screen. Just a master class of bad writing.
@@octavianpopescu4776 I remember seeing a video of the South Park guys talking about BAD storytelling, if your story goes - and this happened, and then that happened, and then this happened, it means you're doing it wrong...which is exactly how the last couple of series felt
When I think about the early seasons, bran for example having visions through the forest, so magical, surreal, eerie and spooky, good memories binge watching it 😢
I’ve never seen a show truly fumble the bag so hard. The ending is so bad that I can’t bring myself to rewatch the show because I know where all of those plots end up going
Season 8 was so bad that even years later we can't get over how bad it was. It could have gone down as the best TV show in history. Instead it goes down as the most disappointing TV show in history.
Its funny, when Arya jumps in out of nowhere and shadow-jutsu's the night king, he catches her by the throat. I actually jumped out of my seat and shouted "Yeah!" because I was really excited this was her (in my opinion) long overdue death. Aaaaand she drops her knife to then stab him in the gut. Absolute children's show for the final season.
Now that you mention this I honestly think Arya dying there would have been an impactful plot point. The younger sister in her hubris tries to be a hero and fails, it would rally the remaining Stark siblings. John watches his beloved little sister die and in a moment of grief and rage finishes off the Night King. Also would've given the Red Witch's green eyes prophecy a new meaning if Arya herself is resurrected and must be killed 'closing blue eyes'. Like this big bad that tormented John for years kills like two named characters in this fight. And Theon is the only one with any real connection to the starks. Would have also had a major impact on Sansa as the two sisters plot lines were intertwined to start. Then the inevitable confrontation in King's landing could have been one of the Stark's kills Cersei in Arya's honor. We could see someone else inheriting Needle. There's just so much they couldve done in that moment.
@@devanburris6596Arya’s character should never have been involved with the White Walkers, Jon Snow storyline in the first place. D&D didn’t even look so far into it. They just chose arya because nobody would think her would it. The same way nobody thought bran would become king. Subverting expectations is a great literary tool, but not when it is clichéd. Would you like a show with cliffhangers each and every episode? A great writer knows how to use all the elements of literature in varying degree to craft a great story, D&D does not. Their awful last season put stupid ideas in your heads. Winter being no big deal in the end is the biggest fundamental issue with GoT as a show and it impacts the prequels significantly as well.
@@Russeren01 Jons story was all about the Long Night and the North. Arya was all about avenging the deaths of her family. Seriously Arya's storyline was for her to become an Assassins and get revenge on the people that wronged her. That's the point of her prayers at night before she sleeps. Saying the names of the people she plans to kill on her list. Her relation to the Night king was simply do to the fact he was a big threat to the world. Be she never even met the guy only in that last moment they even met face to face. It was clear to everyone he was Jon's main Antagonist and nemesis from the get go, the second Jon killed that Wight in Castle Black. An him heading North and uniting making peace and a alliance with the Wildlings. An gathering the means to prepare for the most important conflict in Westeros. It would have made more sense if Arya had instead gone to to Kill either Cersei or most likely, Daenerys as she has become a great threat cause she destroyed Kings Landing and killed 95% of the cities population.
You forget, they killed Varys without even touching on what the voice in the flames said to him, a plot that has been brought up practically every single season
It feels like there is this whole other faction that may actually be related to the undersea creatures. Varys, Patchface, Manderlys, that we didn't get in the show. There has to be some special reason why Varys was chosen to be cut, and it is probably based on his Blood. Could be Kings Blood as we are told it is powerful, but what King was it. Could be Targaryen..BlackFyres... or maybe even a king of a different realm...
IMAGINE Jaimie trying to kill Cersei in an effort to save the city like he did with the mad king but having to deal with the pain that he killed part of himself AND it doesnt stop the mad queen this time
38:51 option 3 would be Jamie being mortally wounded in the fight against the dead, Arya stumbling on him as he lays there dying, then wearing his face to "return" to Cersei
John should have done it with snow zombie (I don't remember his name, night Walker king fella) and Arya should have dealt with the mad queen it would make more sense. He was the prince that was promised ( dealing with night Walker king) she was the strong assassin who did what was necessary with feeling in question. It feels like show runners just did it to surprise us. just like gossip girl was dan humpfree and not her(Ryan Reynolds wife's) brother.
What made absolutely no sense was how the Targaryen army just walked all the way into Kings Landing with absolutely zero resistance. In the first 3 seasons there were battle lines, sieges, campaigns, logistics, and lines of supply. In the last episode they just walked up to the gates.
The thing was, D&D hated fan theory and wanted to subvert fan expectations above all else. So when fans picked up on little plot seeds that were planted in previous seasons and guessed the ending of some arcs, they decided to just say “fuck those carefully planted seeds and all the justification we built, let’s just do something random”. Danny going mad didn’t faze me quite as much as fucking Arya killing the Night King. Like what??? Did we really bring back John Snow from the dead just so he could skip doing the ONE THING he’s been all about since season 1?
Exactly. The pleasure of paying close attention to a tv show is picking up those breadcrumbs and shouting “I KNEW IT! Didn’t I say! YESSSS” at the screen when you are right. Not… being surprised because something comes out of nowhere for no reason? Yeah, shock value, but then you sit there more confused the more you think about all those little things you picked up on. And there is no rewatchability unless you have those threads to follow, so nobody buys the dvds or keeps the streaming views up. The only thing you get through pure surprise is a momentary trend on Twitter.
The exact opposite of the Brandon Sanderson approach, where every big reveal is hinted stronger and stronger as the book/series goes by, until the result is clearly correct and inevitable.
Honestly, I feel like they just saw how much people liked the way the series subverted expectations in the first few novels/seasons and wanted to continue the trend, but never quite grasped WHY people like them. Kind of like M. Night and his use of twist endings. He had success with twist endings in his earlier movies, but then seemed to think that he had to add a twist ending in pretty much EVERYTHING he put out while not putting nearly the same care into those twists as his previous works. They fell into the trap of thinking that it was the writing device itself that people enjoyed, rather than how well those writing devices were implemented. Subverting expectations by smoothly weaving the twists and turns into the narrative in a way that's logical and consistent is great. Subverting them purely for the sake of subverting them without giving any consideration to what has been established in the narrative or where the narrative needs to go afterwords is poor writing.
@@linpittsburgh2375 a proper subversion should leave you with a feeling of "I should have seen that coming" and that can be just as satisfying as "I knew it". What we got in the last seasons of GOT was not "I should have seen that coming" it was "where the hell did that come from". that is a pretty big difference.
The FreeFolk never forget what Dumb&Dumber did to our beloved show. One of my biggest gripes is just how damn small and barren the Realm feels by season 8. It’s just the same dozen characters, every House has a handful of members (or less), and fast travel has them teleporting around Westeros in minutes
5 years later, it still pains me just as much. Fans invested roughly 10 years of viewership to have this shitty conclusion. It’s especially painful considering George R.R. Martin had initially asked HBO for several more seasons and that money was not an issue. D&D just rushed everything because they wanted to move on to Star Wars. The disrespect for fans is mind boggling. I really wish there was some way they could redo the last season…
Numnut. GRRM has full rights ... to all of the Shows ... and approves episodes & Seasons. You have been listening to the bs from the fake news media. Season 6 had caught up to Book 6 of 7 ... and GRRM ... did not want TWOW to be spoiled. So nothing in the last two seasons ... is in the books. And any truly ridiculous plot armor ... means ... that person will die in the books. Armor like Dany being watched by the Night King land on the ground in front of him.
I'm finally rewatching this show after watching HOTD made me nostalgic. Every single freaking time the prophecy or the threat of the white walkers are mentioned in both shows, I audibly state 'it doesn't matter' or 'actually it gets resolved in one night'
This show is a prime example of what happens when show runners get god complexes. The final season is so horrible there is no way the other writers didn't point out the many glaring flaws to D&D. But they had one of the most successful TV shows of all time which they felt solely responsible for and felt they could do no wrong at this point. If they were simply patient and continued the formula of the early seasons AND actually followed GRRMs notes this show would've been their magnum opus. But nope, their greed and hubris got the better of them. To top it all off netflix let them ruin another book adaptation in the 3 body problem
For anyone who would've not seen Dany going mad and Jon ending up on the iron throne? Have you been paying attention? Have ya"ll seen the red wedding? Seen the first episode where Bran gets dropped from a window? The butcher's boy getting killed for nothing? People getting skinned alive where a house takes pride in it. Ok, nobody likes them but nobody stops them either.
@@christiandonaldson2157I couldn't even finish the first season. Just very formulaic and contrived. It's not horrible but not very good either. It also felt like an almost big bang theory portrayal of scientists. Very difficult to take the show seriously.
I cant stomach the fact that my girl Meera Reed was left on tenterhooks by Bran. All those years of togetherness, Bran simply cold shouldering her was insulting.
Yeah wtf was that all about!? I'm CONFIDENT it's just the easiest way for them to get rid of the actress, just like they did to Barristan Selmy. It's such a lazy ending for a character, and this is coming from someone who's indifferent about her character. It also further highlights how Bran shouldn't be king! If they chose to establish that Bran doesn't know the first thing about basic human empathy and other emotions, then they should stick to that decision and NOT make him king. On what earth is it rational for someone who doesn't know jackshit about compassion to rule over life and death matters for millions of people!
Every single problem with Game of Thrones can be attributed to one thing: Benioff and Weiss became too big for their own good and wanted off the show to pursue Star Wars (which never even happened). HBO even was willing to pull up dump trucks full of money to their driveways to allow them all the time they needed to finish off the show and Benioff and Weiss turned it down and wanted to wrap it all up as quickly as possible. Those two did Game of Thrones dirty because they didn't want to stick around to finish what they fought so hard to start. For me, I don't care HOW the story ended, I hated the WAY it ended. It went from being like watching a novel play out to watching a summary play out. Dany, for example. was ALWAYS going to burn everything to the ground. It was telegraphed almost from the first time we meet her. But they didn't pay it off in the final season in a way that seems satisfying at all. We were given a sentence instead of a chapter.
Yes, thank you. What bothers me about the disappointment/hate for the last season(s), which I share, are the Dany-Stans who are just bitter about their Queen not ending up on the throne as the savior of Westeros. Can't wait for Martin to finally finish up and prove that Dany's fate in the show wasn't just because of bad writing.
Don't get me wrong, Benioff and Weiss rushing to get to their Star Wars project definitely caused problems rushing the pacing and bad story decisions, but them taking their time, stretching it out another season, etc., would not have fixed the show or given us a great Season 8 & 9. Every single problem with the final few seasons in Game of Thrones can be attributed to running out of source material. GRRM wrote some extremely smart & complex characters. What happens when you run out of source material and the writers are substantially dumber than the characters they are writing? The answer is those 'smart characters' start acting dumb, because that's all those writers know. I don't think D&D has any inclination of writing original material to end the show. GRRM said the show being several seasons long would give him time to finish the books. It could be that the rushed ending was just D&D "ripping the band-aid off" as they knew they were not up to the task of giving the show a satisfying ending without Martin's material.
I think that it started becoming apparent in season 4/5 that the showrunners didnt realize why the story was so captivating and the reasons for their success. On the bright side, we got 3 good seasons of television, but i think the way to go would have been to split the show after season 3 or 4 to have miniseries following each character would have been more along the lines of what d&d could handle, but getting writers would have been a really helpful hire as well as consulting with experts or wven history books to learn about the logistics of medieval life and battle tactics would have been helpful
Still blows me away that the character with "the best story" was the only character who completely skipped an entire season because it wasn't interesting enough...
S1-4 are Game of Thrones. S5-8 are the dragonshow thing. And as much as I love to praise, but this video is WAYY too good to S6&7. Edit: I wanna point out how insane it is that almost the entire GoT subreddit turned into attacking everything that doesn't praise Later seasons. Many in there defend it with their lives.
I started reading the series in 2001. My daughter is named Arya. I have a cat named Tywin. I’m obsessed with the source material. The last 4 seasons horrified me. And the some of the smaller changes infuriated me (Arya killing Polliver in place of the Tickler for one). I hated that the Nights King was a thing. There should not have been an easy out for the long night.
@@rhaenyratargaryen1stofhern55 well if you want to fully endulge your hate for it... I recommend "Glidus" on TH-cam! You may find some amazing entertainment! Also "Tywin" is the most perfect name for a cat... Holy shit this fits so perfectly to every cat I've ever known about... I wanna get a cat now, just so I can name him Tywin.
Yes, exactly! I didn't even bother watching ANY tv shows at all. After having followed Game of Thrones for SEVEN years (I started in 2012), week after week, year after year, I can't bring myself to watch a "long" tv show now. Because what's the point, right? What's the point of investing yourself so much emotionally into a show just to risk being disappointed at the end. I loved Game of Thrones so much... and D&D broke my heart.
i completely understand this. i was the same way, i read the books and watched all 8 seasons, and when i heard house of the dragon was coming out, i assumed the worst. fast forward to about a week ago, i picked the show up and cant stop watching it lol. so far they haven't fumbled yet but they are apparently changing a few things from the book which makes me nervous
@@RodHammett95 just don't forget that GOT gave you 5 seasons (years) of intense intrigue. As long as R.R. stays with house or dragon's I stay hopeful. AND karma came around and dumb and dumber got dumped from star wars, and from Netflix for their slave series show. They fumbled GOT for NOTHING.
Still baffling to me how Arya killed the character Jon should have killed and rocks killed the character Arya should have killed, so ass backwards. I also totally agree the long night should have been an entire season affair.
I can’t even talk about how Jamie ended up getting back with Cersei what the actual F. I thought it was Arya wearing his mask after killing him off screen. Imagine my surprise when it was actually him and a pile of rocks killed them. Jesus.
Jon the man from the prophecy (and the franchise is called a song of ice and fire, that also represents someone who is Stark and Targaryen) and Arya the girl that trained with best assassins to get revenge on Cersei got done dirty by the writers that wanted to subvert expectations just because
@@lampard4 everyone ive talked to in real life and asked about GoT has completely abandoned the show and its IP. its a small sample size but of 25 people no one cared about GoT anymore
For me, the worst part was the long night. The visuals were terrible and was too dark to see. And then combinations of dothraki dying, arya killing nightking, plot armour and lack of long shot scenes of the battle made it terrible.
Barristan's death was not only disappointing, but Ian McElhinney himself was especially angry because he had read the books and knew he was still alive so the showrunners only killed him off for shock value
I'll just never understand, D&D had the chance to become, undeniably the greatest TV show writers in goddammed history, all they had to do, was to give the best ending possible to one if not the greatest show in history. Imagine having the world, literally and arguably, at the writing of the palms of your hands, and just fuck it up. It's crazy to think. The ending wasn't because they aren't good writers, they wrote a lot of original content for the show that wasn't in the books, that were pretty great, the best example is the scenes for Robert Baratheon or Robb Stark. They fuck up just because they wanted to. That's just unforgivable.
@Makers745 Bran becoming the king made plenty of sense. People wanted Jon to become king because his backstory screamed he should be king. But that wouldn't have been an R.R. Martin ending.
Don't forget, everything wrong with Season 7 and 8 is because the show at that point was being written solely by one of the guys who thought it was a good idea to remove Deadpool's ability to speak.
Not having Theon kill the Night King seems like such a missed opportunity. After getting stabbed and left for dead, HE grabs Arya's dropped dagger and says, "What is dead may never die" and stabs the Night King saving everyone.
I am still so mad man!!!! This show had it all, there was so much lore!!! there was no way the whole story could have been wrapped in 2 season with 7 and 6 episodes. The writers fucked it up for starwars money and ironically they didnt get it. They had the fucking word at their feet with this show and they gave it all away. It should have been 10 seasons long man. I'm still so fucking upset over the last 2 seasons man!!!!
lol 2 more seasons of a made up hollywood like tv show sine the last two books in the series aren't even finished yet. People keep forgetting that it was the adaptation of the books that worked so well for HBO.
@@Naut1co yes man that's true they didn't have the last two books but george rr martin was working with them and even he said the show could go for like 13 seasons and the minimum would be like 10 seasons.
@@PA.69 not just George but HBO wanted it to continue as well. If those hacks D & D knew they were burnt out. They should've passed the show on to another team to finish.
We missed so much content of just characters talking. Talking like how they talked before the battle at Winterfell. Don't forget this is the place where winter fell.
I can't even rewatch it because I know now how it ends. It's like rewatching a game where your team could win but blows it in the 4th quarter from shear incompetence. I imagine this is how Cowboys fans feel every year
I'm in the same boad. I rewatched seasons 1-4 three times while the series was still airing. I don't think I'll ever watch another episode of GoT and I have no interest in House of the Dragon. There are other series with bad endings that don't ruin the whole experience for me, but GoT always felt like it was building to some grand conclusion. That's a huge part of what made it so good, the way things were setup and pieces came together. Then the end was so profoundly unsatisfying, it just makes me sad even thinking about rewatching any of it.
I maintain that the reason that Drogon burned the iron throne is because he looked down and saw qhis mom killed by a pointy thing, and then he looked a little over to the right and saw a whole ass chair made a big pointy things, and thought that that was the pointy thing that killed his mom
I can buy that! Also, if you buy that dragons and their riders share a link, then Drogon lays eyes on the manifestation of the thing that obsessed his mommy in her dreams, and which, in essence, caused her death, and the deaths of his brothers. So bad pointy thing caused all this. Bad pointy thing must go. Poor Drogon, he's got no one left.
They say Drogon bonded with Jon when he let him touch him. His brothers are basically his twins. As for throne burning. They say Drogon and his brother are the reincarnation of Balerion. Balerion created it. Maybe he felt something in destroying it.
That's just stupid. Dragons are not THAT dumb. In Fire & Blood (the book on HOTD), it's well established that Dragons have quite an intelligence in them, especially the older and the more ancient they get. That's why Vhagar initally hesitated to burn Laena to death, because intellectually he was trying to object. That's why Balerion essentially kidnapped its own rider, Aerea, to visit its past home, the ruined Old Valyria. That's why Seasmoke is acting up when most likely Laenor has died half a world a way. And that's also why you don't need to give a detailed verbal instrutions of what you want your Dragons to do when fighting other Dragons. They're intellectually bonded with their riders and they have a sense of what is signalled in thoughts! Also Dragons have ONE rider at a time, EVEN IF they have acknowledged other Dragon riders. Without spoiling HOTD, by the end of the Dance, a Dragon will literally eat another Targaryen family member to death, by the order of ANOTHER Targaryen. There's no reason why Drogon didn't just kill Jon. Basically the finale is just a dumb writing oversight by Dumb and Dumber. And I'll never forgive them for it.
Jon and Sansa being forced to dig up their ancestors’ tombs to remove the corpses (they should have known would get raised) could have been a crazy scene
You perfectly summed up my issues with Seasons 7-8: The action only matters if you're invested in the characters and events as part of the overall narrative. Action for action's sake is a waste of time.
"You perfectly summed up my issues with Seasons 7-8: The action only matters if you're invested in the characters and events as part of the overall narrative. Action for action's sake is a waste of time." I would alter this statement a little bit. "Action for actions sake in a show like Game of thrones is a waste of time". There are alot of franchises out there which contains basically nothing else than action. I dont think the Fast and Furios Franchise is comprised of fans which fawn over the fantastic Dialogs ( FAMILY!!!!!) or the MCU, which was the other big thing in the 2010s, with big budget action festivals. In which superheroes with superplot armor fought against a myriad of faceless antagonists. Game of Thrones premise shouldn´t have worked as a mainstream show. It is still amazing to me, that a show which can be bleak,slow,dialogue-heavy and brutal ( I mean in the very first episode a random guy was beheaded, a young woman was sold and taken by a big, wild guy and a young child was pushed out a window from a guy who just had sex with his twin)was capable of THAT SUCCESS that Game of Thrones had. In the later seasons, especially after speedruning through the source material the show became excatly that. A mainsteam, marvelized spectacle with basically Fast and Furios Dialogue.
The worst part is that the same showrunners are about to ruin another show which is '3 body problem'. The novels are so intense and I don't think they have the mental capacity to understand the story.
I watched the first episode of this "show" after people were telling me how awesome it was. I said it right at the end: so fire girl and snow guy hook up and rule at the end. Never watched another episode, because this was basically soap opera. Until my girlfriend said I had to watch this one "amazing" episode. She gave me a modicum of back story and I said: so the king obviously kills the whole family, right? She just deflated. I never understood what people liked about this. It's terrible and predictable. The accents are atrocious and all over the map. Anyone seriously wanna claim that Tywin and Tyrion are even from the same country, let alone the same family? And come on, try, just TRY to convince me that Daenerys looks like a warrior queen in the slightest, with those puffy arms. This was an actress that had never lifted anything heavier than 25 lbs in her life, and it showed. Anybody really think Vaserys made it that far in life, in that world, with that personality? Get bent, this was a good show. Garbage.
I think the creators misunderstood the reason for the show’s early success. Whenever I heard random people talking about GoT while it was running, the conversation always included “no character is safe from death, so you are always surprised”. I think the creators learned the wrong lesson: surprise (shock value) = success. But instead, it was good character development that drove the early success. They ended up sacrificing all that character development in pursuit of “what is the most shocking next thing that could happen?”.
not really, the show runners adapted the source material from the books. all the shock value moments and character development are from George's writing. George was one of the early advisers when they created this show. But you got to give the showrunners credit GOT is the best example of how to adapt source material
I also hated the clitche of the white walkers and wights being a hive mind like robots which were puppeteered by the Night King and a single consciousness bullcrap. They made them unscary unlike the first couple seasons which depicted them as unrelenting monsters that were a force of nature. Instead they make their leader a dark lord archetype which went against George RR Martin’s vision which was his world had no central evil dark lord but rather there was always new villains and threats to take the places of the previous. The wall had so much untapped potential as besides the White Walkers and zombies/skeletons in the books there are other supernatural threats and monsters and creatures and dangers that threated the world of mankind to have sealed off by the ice wall to keep from escaping. Trolls that acted as monkey’s paw type genies, ice spiders, evil spirits and gods, etc. The White Walkers weren’t the only thing that threatened humanity. There were endless terrors that could have been portrayed besides just a dark magic zombie virus and a few human savages and giants.
I hate in House of Dragons they keep bringing up The Prince that was Promised prophecy and that dagger because we all know how pathetic that storyline ends
@@DogOfWar64 hopefully HOTD can remain outside the GOT tv adaptation continuity and just be set in its own universe like how the book universe is different from the HBO show. Would be for the best to have future spin offs continue being set before the events of the mainline GOT novels and its tv series version.
@@DogOfWar64 they just need to wait a little more and remake the original with a better ending, they could at least ask martin to help them with later seasons
@@officialthomasjames ohh noo.... thats not the point.... the problem is not how he looks.... the funny thing i mentioned, and maybe its just coincidence... but his chara assassination started when he got the beard in the show
Season 8 pissed me off so much that I genuinely can't bring myself to watch the previous seasons anymore. For a show that I used to re-watch each season before the new one came out, and not only that each episode would get better the more you watched it, I realised it was taking a steady decline from season 6. There was nothing really to actually re-watch. Previous seasons you might pick up something you missed but from this point forward that didn't happen. I now get angry thinking about the botched job they did on the later seasons ruining the whole series for me.
I feel exactly the same way! I used to re-watch this show every night to put me to sleep. I could re-watch it 40-50 times and still loved it, then season 8, and just knowing how it all ends in such bullshit ruins the entire thing for me. I just wish they would fix these mistakes and make it right so I can respect the show again and enjoy these fantastic characters.
Jamie not killing Cersei might be the biggest missed opportunity for a dramatic end to not one but two phenomenal character arcs in TV history. It would have been epic and tragic and terrible and way better than what they ended up with.
Do you have a link to that? Barristan was my favourite character in show and Books so I'd like to read more into that. I watched the interview with Ian McElhinney after the episode and he seemed really disappointed 😢
I don't think he felt his character arc was bad, just that he thought his character had more to give the story as he does in the books. This revealed D and D as petty because the actor pointing out valuable info that contradicted their plans (1 of many breaks from the books which reveals they broke from the books rather than just ran out) resulted in them being more glad to kill the character and be rid of the actor. This is something that also debunks the notion D and D listened to others all that much.
@@pplr1 ah I think I read the original comment wrong, I thought it meant the actor felt the characters book arc was bad...I'm so glad I'm wrong 😅 I know he went to D&D and tried to talk them out of killing Barristan so I was confused as to why he would have thought the arc was bad. Thanks for confirming!
As someone who speed through most of this show in 2019. I can only imagine how disappointed viewers that invested years in this show must’ve felt after seeing especially the last few episodes of season 8.
The entire thing was meaningless because Bran's line during his election as king "why do you think i came all this way?" implies that everything was predetermined. It's really sad because the entire story revolved around chaos and randomness, only for a single person to show up and say "your beliefs and choices don't matter because it was fate the entire time".
That’s kinda the point - it’s a ner positive for Westeros. An elective monarchy would be better than an ordinary one. How do so many people miss that? No royal family means no royal infighting, and every major house voting on the election will ultimately lead to better kings. I bet the books do the exact same thing.
In seasons 5-8, Tyrion, Varys, and Littlefinger suddenly dropped 50 IQ points. The showeunners should’ve ended with season 4 and continued it with some recasts here and there when (if) the books are ever completed
Just imagine if it lasted 10 seasons instead of 8 and the quality never declined. the final battle on the icy sand dunes of Dorne with the assembled might of all the kingdoms making a final stand against the walkers. THAT is my headcanon ending.
That would work especially well if the whole faceless men ordeal fully dehumanizes arya, turning her into a vengeance monster, not unlike her mother in the books. Jamie becomes a true knight, saves the world, and gets murdered by someone that doesn't believe in redemption. Amazing tragedy that would have had to be prepared since season 6 or so.
To be fair I wanted the show to end with The Night King sitting on the throne. That would have been a cool ending to this show. Or the last scene of Bran sitting on the throne, opening his eyes and you see blue Night King eyes.
This shows assassination by hacks too inept to realize they needed help after they ran out of books is the petty hill im going to die on. They butchered a good thing cause they got cocky and thought whatever they did, people would eat it up. Glad that wasnt the case!
I have never seen a show where so many great and beloved characters been assassinated towards the end. Usually it's just one. Game of Thrones is really special.
I'm so glad you talked about seasons 5-7 too, because in my opinion I almost think the 7th season is worse than the 8th. The dream team heading north of the wall was insanely dumb and bad writing, Baelish's death was enormously contrived and out of character, Euron's horribly watered down portrayal. The series died with season 8, but season 7 laid the groundwork for that downfall
Final season is the reason I ask people who haven't watched GOT not to watch it ever. It's a total waste of time. Imagine how it felt when people like me watched over so many years. It was such a big slap on the face for the fans.
Since season 8 is so contradicted by seasons 1-7 of proper GoT (not just the characters being out of character but other things like bells suddenly meaning surrender in King's Landing when they don't in season 2-Davos said so and events prove it) it is reasonable to argue season 8 is not part of proper GoT. Maybe a trip into a mirror dimension like in Star Trek but not proper GoT. Proper GoT only lasted 7 seasons, possibly six.
Bran saying "I can't be lord of anything anymore, I'm the 3 eyed raven" and then immediately takes the iron throne is ridiculously bad writing. How did no one even catch that
Well it was more the iron melted chocolate bar at that point
Oh! Everyone catched it, don't worry. It's just that they weren't caring anymore at that point.
"Who has a better story than bran the broken?" Hell even the extras has a better story tyrion
Plus since when does having a good story mean you're the best option for King
@@Fred-gc9qtliterally anyone has a better story.
The dude who wasn't even in season 5 has a better story??
5 years and the wound Never realy healed
A Morghul Blade... It will never heal completly
The only silver lining I see in it is that the non-healing wound keeps me thinking about and revisiting it..
@@anoushkas8726 As much as I would love to, I can't bring myself to re watch it. That wound will never heal.😮💨
The 1st 4 seasons of Game of Thrones was the greatest television ever made. Its downfall after that gave me PTSD.
Thank the drowned god that the books exist even without a conclusion yet. They are so worth reading and rereading imo
Absolutely insane how they threw away their legacy and the opportunity to cement GoT as a TV masterpiece, all to go work on Star Wars, which eventually didn't even happen. This could have been so incredible
The worst part is no one would have had an issue with them being burned out and stepping down handing the reigns to another who would do the ending justice. But no their ego had to end it on their shitty rushed turns ruining a decade of investment on a storyline
@@NoSyrupLeft true, they even got offered an extra season (or two?) by HBO who clearly were very worried the ending was being rushed and wouldn't be given enough time with just that short final season. Massive egos. So many talented people could have stepped in and done an amazing job. Can't imagine how much money they lost for everyone involved. I am just one fan but I know I would for sure own the Prime 1 Night King statue at this point if they hadn't ruined the character
@@Siile_ HBO was down for 10-13 seasons, George has said repeatedly you'd need 10 to do the story justice.
@@damonlongstreet8630 it's so depressing to imagine what could have been with two extra seasons or more
Idk if Star Wars played the crucial role, they seemed burned out either way. Doesn't make them look less dumb though
It’s so weird to see the way the signature blondeness of the Lannisters was progressively abandoned over time. Those early shots of season one Tyrian with his straightened blonde hair - by the end he has curly dark hair with inexplicable honey-coloured tips, while Jamie has been allowed to revert to the actor’s natural mousey brown.
yeah what's up with that? and where is the lannister red?
@@serwinzzalot9989everything just turned to mud colour. The hair the costumes, everything
When they go north their hair gets darker. And lighter again in the south. That's what I think it was.
Also wasn't Dany's eyebrows bleached in the first seasons? Platinum blonde wig and black eyebrows and lashes just looks weird.
It was the wig budget. It was huge and they wanted to pick and choose who needed to adhere and then they also didn't want to make the hairdressers AND the actors get their hair bleached because it's so damaging to the hair and it's so time consuming to touch up the roots, which would likely have to be done weekly.
Good wigs are extremely expensive, the wigs on House of the Dragon pale in comparison to the wigs in the first 3-4 seasons of GoT.
Good wigs are extremely expensive and they SHOULD BE, because in order to look real, they take hours and hours and hours of hand creation and maintenance. Otherwise they look fake and terrible quality, like they do in HotD.
It took Rob Stark an entire season to cross the continent. By season 6 and 7, main characters were jumping around the continent within adjoining scenes in the same episode. When that started happening I knew the wheels were falling off.
D&D: The future is now old man
Sames!
Speed travel to locations you've already visited 😂
Tyrion teasing Brienne about being a virgin and Sansa saying her abuse wasn’t so bad because it made her smart were some of the most painful scenes in season 8.
The whole Sansa arc was a f up, she should have outwitted Little finger in the Eerie and be the one who leads the Vale into battle with the Boltons. Not because of any Feminist bollocks but because it would be right. Jon and his boys head South, recover Osha and Rickon then send a Raven to the Vale requesting help. Aryas story is in Kings Landing and should only reunite at the end.Bran should stay stuck in a tree warging and using his powers, he certainly shouldn't be King in fact the Monarchy destruction should be the end.
@@dmac3183 Exactly. Sansa's been in King's Landing this whole time observing politics. Her arc should have been about learning from Cersei and Littlefinger how to be a political powerhouse, ending in her outwitting Littlefinger in a "student becomes the master" type arc.
@@scarymonsterzz and that scene of her in the white dress getting r#### was outrageous and distasteful, only done for shock value and online interaction. Jamie, Jon , Sir Barristan, Varys and so many others were mistreated as characters, and the Dorne plot was a waste of talent.
And clearly it didnt make her smart at all. If anything she was dumber then she used to be as a naive northern princess.
Sansa saying that almost made me fall off my chair.
If she feels that way, what was the dog face biting thing all about then????????
"The Mad Queen Arc" wasn't a character arc. An arc suggests gradual progression over time. It was more like "The Mad Queen" Cliff.
couldn't have said it better myself Mark
Thank you and folks saying it’s been heavily foreshadowed just don’t get her character at all yes dany has been ruthless which you’ve gotta be when you’re in war and have to show your power but to say she’s insane and wanna kill a bunch of women and children because of bells is so stupid, like she immediately charges to the red keep and instead of going to kill Cersei she burns a bunch of people like what sense did that make the execution was awful and you could see in certain scenes that dany wasn’t on drogon
@@ACinemafanatic This is what I dislike about the Mad Queen theory: the mad part. I think insanity is a cheap, lazy plot device to have characters do illogical things without having to explain it beyond "oh, she's crazy". I can live with ruthless Daenerys, but not mad Daenerys. And even the real history which inspired Martin has an interesting equivalent to Daenerys: King Henry VII of England. What's very interesting about him is this: he's a very paranoid individual, no one likes him, BUT he never became a homocidal psychopath. He'd rather fine his enemies than kill them. At the end of the day, Henry took a kingdom in turmoil after decades of civil war and stabilized it, filled its coffers and left his son, Henry VIII the first peaceful/uncontested transfer of power after a very long time. No one liked him, but he was a competent king. He was devious and paranoid, but not insane. I think an equivalent ending for Daenerys would be much more interesting: she wins the throne and becomes a competent ruler, but she never finds peace of mind, popularity, love, safety (embodied by the house with the red door in the books).
i hate the mad queen arc cuz nothing in the books everrrrrrrr talks about dany becoming evil or like her father at allllllllllll
so so many readers discuss and dissect every dany chapter word for word and i don't mind even recommending some
Accurate
You forgot to mention John is sentenced to the wall that doesn't exist anymore. The wall that doesn't exist anymore that was built to keep the people up north that are now living down south. The producers and writers knew they had a mad hit on their hands took the money and ran.
Lmfao when I first watched the ending I was so confused about all the plot lines collapsing that I didn’t even notice that one. A final dung throw at our faces let’s say 😂
@@dreamingghost306bran arya sansa Tyrion Cersei Danny. Name it, and they all have characterisation and story line in the end
Yeah like… the white walkers are dead and the wildlings are allies. What’s left to protect the north from now?
I was so upset! Lol 😆 I had to keep telling myself, "It's just a show calm tf down." I couldn't believe it! I understand that D&D wanted to move on to "bigger and better things." Why didn't they pass it on to other writers? They knew this was the biggest series ever. It's was a slap in the face to loyal viewers. The way they made Dany batshit crazy was the most heartbreaking because throughout the entire series, she wanted to be different from her father. Smh.
Aye, and how can the Wall be the penal colony (sort of) of one kingdom, when it is on the territory of another?
Let's not forget these amazingly complex season 8 quotes:
"I do not want it"
"Muh queen"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the MUH killed me
* a dun wunnit
😂 she's our queen ×100
You know nothing 😁
"Varys no cock"
The white walkers needed an entire seasons post wall crossing. It was foreshadowed since the beginning and got pretty much one episode to be resolved.
The entirety of season 7 and season 8 should have been delegated to the coming of winter and the long night. Make it actually long. Like a near full season of just night and dread. Let that be part of the spark that sends Daenerys down the path of mad queen, as she keeps sacrificing more and more for the realm that doesn't trust her, doesn't support her, doesn't take the winter seriously at her expense -finally clashing with her losing her 2nd dragon to Cersei using a moment of weakness to her own benefit, promising to send aid but instead takes out a dragon because it was finally convenient for her to do so when Daenerys was weak and torn between fighting the death in the north, and seeking aid form the south.
I had images of the north falling and the walkers spreading further and further south. Clearly I overestimated their abilities
And what would you see? Zombies walking aroud, kill and change everybody and ....than rule kingdom of zombies? Not very interesting...
@@Real_MisterSir They literally could have done so much. Draw on things like the Eastern Front of World War 2 or Napoleon's Campaign in Russia. Show how brutal and how much a meat grinder this war is, how the characters battle the elements and enemies
@@Real_MisterSiryea a whole season of them dealing with the long night and the night king would of been absolutely epic ..they should have lost the battle at winterfell raised the stakes the dead enveloping more n more of Westeros forcing all lords to unite under Jon aka azora hai ..winning just by a thread with Jon dueling the night king and able to land a killing blow with the help of Arya ..don’t know what to do with Danny tho ..but Cersei should been wrapped up before the night king …he was the final boss …
The most disappointing thing was Bran and the magic. They never explained anything. Bran just sat there.
The magic of the world doesn’t need to all be explained, but the bran thing definitely needed to. He supposed to be a librarian type warlock/wizard for humanity that also keeps info and history safe from evil supernatural beings and forces such as the White Walkers. But nothing came of it. Why the F does a storyteller make a good king?!?! 🤷♂️🤦 It’s like if a good published author was immediately put into office as President despite not having the qualifications nor a proper run of an election. It’s stupid. Bran was interesting as a character born with supernatural abilities and natural magic within him similar to other wargs, but he practically did nothing with it. All he did was take over the minds and bodies of animals and sometimes astral projection. No further powers he demonstrated such as potentially telekinesis, pyrokinesis (which would be useful against ice zombies especially), and also that time traveling using his powers didn’t amount to much. Why introduce time travel to a high fantasy world?! It at first seemed like just seeing into the past, but clearly he was unintentionally interacting with the world and events but yet stops. At least with Harry Potter they only did the time watch thing once because too many meddlings with time could create chaotic problems and paradoxes and diverging timelines which could harm their present. Bran was wasted.
@ParkerCS2 Yeah, you're right. The magic didn't need completely revealed, but Bran, being a glorified animal spy, was useless for sure. It's so boring and stupid. They could've done a lot more.
@@curtthechameleon yes. Also in the book there are some similar naturally gifted supernatural powered people who could change like werewolves into different animals which some of the starks were. I don’t know the exact name but they were like wargs but instead of controlling minds of people and animals they could turn into animals and fight in those forms. So much from the books they left out the HBO version.
Yeah, that and Fatty boring AF getting a major character arc filled with nothing but boring & pathetic cliché... Whoa, he became another worthless maester.
Bran who nobody ever guesses would be ruler because he is so boring and was missing for one entire season.
You're right, the raven thing was never explained. If he could see everything then he is to blame for not warning anyone about Danny's atrocity at kings landing amongst countless other bad things.
I still remember that sinking feeling towards the end of episode 3 thinking to myself "I'm never gonna get to see all that I wanted, am I"
Honestly those writers are either, the least talent writers in Hollywood history or just absolutely scumbags that had the biggest show of all time and got tired (boo fucking who) of filming and decided to just shit out whatever came to mind. Either way, man George screwed up when he selected them, seemingly because they probably read some Reddit theory about Jon’s parentage and they got it right 😭 fuck them
Fr you realize the episode is over, you have 3 left for all time, and almost nothing happened and what did happen was trash.
It's only been 5 years???? my anger somehow manages to feel centuries old and brand new at the same time
Well said.
Same. So many people knew I was a huge fan of the series, and any time it's brought up I get upset about it all over again.
I once heard a great comparison to Arya killing the Night King. It’s the equivalent of Legolas surfing into mount Doom and back flipping off while throwing the ring into the lava.
I always likened it to Han Solo killing the Emperor lol. Seems like lots of people had the same idea :( unforgivable
This is something people get mad about lol? That was one of my favorite parts!
@@SmartMarkSterling yes. Because it was lazy writing and ignored everything that was told to be about Jon as the prince who was promised. Why else was he brought back to life
People got mad because discarded the build up entirely, not to say all the mystery with the Night King.............. Well, fan theories will have to do
@@joncarter4389you mean, it wasn’t what you imagined so now you’re mad.
The ever-impending "Long Night" became like a 42 minute battle
Yep. And the White Walkers and Night King were nothing more than a Snoke from The Last Jedi. Really pathetic.
seriously this is beyond dumb of them. In Game of Thones a normal winter lasts 10 years... The Long Night is supposed to be the 1000 year winter of death... oh wait nope its over before it even reaches The Neck. Just willful stupidity and the pitch black battle is not even that well done. Fuk Dumb and Dumber
It was like an average night long battle. The only excuse-interpretation i can make is that they were battling for around 7 hours so the night felt looonger than usual
@@SombraCheeks actually an eternal winter of death but yes. The original Long Night set during the first invasion of the White Walkers and threats beyond the wall in the show’s mythology was about 1000 years which it lasted before they were defeated and retreated back to the undead kingdom and before the magical wall was built to prevent another attack from happening.
Short night
The ending to the show + Grrm not finishing the books = the biggest fumble of a great piece of art of all time. An absolute disaster
I mostly blame him for missing so many deadlines. Yes, the show runners fumbled, but it is not really reasonable to expect great adapters to become amazing writers.
@@DangRenBo saying they are no amazing writers is like saying the sun is kind of warm...
I mean they could have discussed it with GRRM and he might have provided more feedback, but he kept saying he was completely excommunicated from those final seasons.
Tbh, the show simply needed a bit more time for cooking and get to G the schedule together because now they needed more writers and had to produce actual writing instead of pick up amazing arcs from the books.
i was expecting the show not to follow the non existent books, but at least follow GRRMs outline of what he wanted for the show to become. The show shouldn't be as good as the books, or be exactly the same, because the books need to be better and need to give GRRM more money. But they made the show a complete dumpster fire instead. You have to try your hardest and than some to write the show this badly in the end.
The fact that they warned us about the danger of the white walkers for 7 seasons, basically saying that who sits on the throne doesn't really matter because they will need to face a much bigger threat just to have Arya killing the Night King in ep. 3 is something that i will never forgive
I agree that s8 should have been longer and at least half should have been fighting the dead.
And throwing away the prince that was promised lore and instead giving it to Arya because she was a fan favorite character was such a let down. bran and or Jon should have way more involved. Arya could.have cleared the way or took over for theon and defended bran until he did something useful.
@@stoneage8236 Yeah Bran was just bait basically. His "I must go now" worging scene did nothing at all.
And the darkest battle scene I’ve ever seen.
arya killing the night king made absolutely no sense to me
It’s a disgrace. Even the finale of season 7 the show was still on track with the White Walkers being the main threat. For them to discard that plot and expect us to be happy is mind boggling.
"Somehow Palpatine returned"
Is basically the entire writing for season 8.
We kinda forgot about Palpatine.
The cracks were everywhere in 7 too, in hindsight
You're just mad because Daenerys died, Arya killed the night king and Jon lived beyond the wall. Thats it.
😂😂😂😂 true!!!
Somehow people didnt understand GoT.
In my opinion when it was clear they’d overtake the books they should have had George help them sketch out a simpler alternate ending for the show. That would fit better in the time they had while also not spoiling the end of the books. It also probably needed one or two more seasons to wrap things up without rushing.
We've been saying this for years lol
..... they kicked him out of the writers room after s4
Problem is they stopped listening to him and threw out his original outline because he didn't like the direction they were taking especially with Little finger selling Sansa to the Bolton's. That did not sit well with him and they would not listen and so he left.
"...the time they had because they turned down HBO's offer for more episodes"*
They didn’t even run out of book material. Seasons 1 and 2 roughly adapted to A Game of Thrones and A Clash of Kings respectively. Seasons three and four split up A Storm of Swords.
Season 5 stuffs parts of A Feast For Crows and A Dance of Dragons while season 6 is mostly new material with bits of leftover book plot conveniently peppered peppered throughout. If they had adapted Feast and Dance as thoroughly as they did the first three, they could have gotten two to three more seasons of just book material. Where needed for pacing they could have gone off the rails a bit but so much never made it from page to screen and it sucks.
The Gendry thing still kills me. "You're the fastest."
Ran back to the wall, sent a raven to dany, dany going to the north all before the water freezing to ice 😂
@@phillytheflyerable If only the characters moved at that pace early in the show. It could've been over before R.R. Martin left and those two morons took over.
Gendry Bolt 🇯🇲
One of the most infuriating writing fuckups is when Tyrion finds Jamie and Cercei they're literally buried under a single layer of bricks, if they stepped a bit in to the right they'd have survived. But in their death scene it seems like the entire keep is collapsing.
Bro did you forget how a zombie dragon literally destroys the wall that was standing for god knows how many years by his flames but the same dragon could not even make a crack on the rock behind which jon was hiding
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@@babayaga9805 oh man... That hits hard, but not as hard as the zombie dragon flames at the ice walls
@@babayaga9805 "bro did you forget" is a weird way of adding onto a point you're not countering lol
@@jacobfromallstate4963
That's part of the joke.
Im just glad they didn't end up getting that Star Wars project that they rushed away from GoT for. Small victories I guess.
Star wars is doing fine with burning themselves without them
The Star Wars project they lost out on largely because of how they ended this show. It's one of the few bits of justice the fans get.
A "pyrhic victory" is the term you're looking for
Instant karma
How worst can Star Wars get...Disney is doing a great job at destroying their 4 billion bought franchise.
"It's been 5 years since Game of Thrones ended"
That made me feel a bit sick
'Alas! there are some wounds that cannot be wholly cured,' said Gandalf.
Hey I watched it a week after you. I had to realize it’s been 5 years and a week
@@alexabood2516 Math isn't your strong suit, is it?
To be fair 2020 and 2021 kinda don’t count
@@TaeSunWoo We fast-forwarded some years there... The time jump between 2019 and last year was a wild narrative choice for the show we're living in
Joffrey's killer was technically revealed sooner. Olena tells Margery she had something to do with it. She tells her "you didn't think I was going to let you marry him did you?"
They “revealed” Jeffrey’s killer three different times! lol
The arrogance and incompetence of the writers killed the show in the end. As it often does in stories, especially long running ones.
You can have great shots, interesting worlds, decent characters, but you can't compensate bad writing.
Naw, the show remained great and y'all are arrogant for thinkin you know better.
@RevJ7 low quality bait
@RevJ7 and you are slow for thinking you don't
Rage Bait = Desperate Attention Seeking
@@RevCQ7 Average Jon fanboi!😂😂
On top of a horrible last season and ending,when the fans voiced their complaints,the show runners reacted by saying"We don't owe the audience anything!".
They owe everything in their lives after the pilot episode of GoT to the fans of the show.
They all say that now. Total misguided entitlement and hubris
Peter dink dinklage's reaction also threw me off. He said dumb shit like "people want a happy ending that's why they're mad" like m8 that's not even close to why people are mad, nobody expects a happy ending from this show but one that makes sense
@@Zizou19989he’s actually as*h*le not only with this commentary, but the way he treated people like him
@@Zizou19989cmon now, a large number of people wanted Jon to kill the Night King and then end up king. That’s as cliche as it gets.
The last season was basically like watching in x2 speed. The ending was so bad, that I’ll never go back and rewatch the show
Yes it’s awful. And it’s a shame because I love early Thrones so much. It almost kills the replay value. I now get about half way through season 5 and just start over from episode 1.
And yet despite them rushing through every plot line, they still managed to pack half of Season 8 with filler. Most of the important things happened off screen, and all of the stupid or pointless things happened on screen. Just a master class of bad writing.
For me it felt like a powerpoint presentation, with a few bullet points replacing a whole story.
@@octavianpopescu4776 I remember seeing a video of the South Park guys talking about BAD storytelling, if your story goes - and this happened, and then that happened, and then this happened, it means you're doing it wrong...which is exactly how the last couple of series felt
I tried to rewatch it and see if that made it better, but it actually made it worse. You’re right to just leave it in your memory. 👍
There’s nothing like getting pissed off all over again. Well done video essay, thanks for the rejuvenated anger!
Drogon obviously burns the iron throne because he got an email from Bran informing him that he brought his own chair. The mobile throne.
Underrated comment
totally underrated
gshshs i wish more people would appreciate this 😭
I think the most frustrating thing about the final seasons, is that everyone was doing their job except the writers.
Even after all this time, it still really saddens me how badly this show was run into the ground. The early seasons were masterpieces.
Shirtless Ramsay
Kinda like the fate of the US
When I think about the early seasons, bran for example having visions through the forest, so magical, surreal, eerie and spooky, good memories binge watching it 😢
I’ve never seen a show truly fumble the bag so hard. The ending is so bad that I can’t bring myself to rewatch the show because I know where all of those plots end up going
Season 8 was so bad that even years later we can't get over how bad it was. It could have gone down as the best TV show in history. Instead it goes down as the most disappointing TV show in history.
Its funny, when Arya jumps in out of nowhere and shadow-jutsu's the night king, he catches her by the throat. I actually jumped out of my seat and shouted "Yeah!" because I was really excited this was her (in my opinion) long overdue death. Aaaaand she drops her knife to then stab him in the gut. Absolute children's show for the final season.
Now that you mention this I honestly think Arya dying there would have been an impactful plot point. The younger sister in her hubris tries to be a hero and fails, it would rally the remaining Stark siblings. John watches his beloved little sister die and in a moment of grief and rage finishes off the Night King. Also would've given the Red Witch's green eyes prophecy a new meaning if Arya herself is resurrected and must be killed 'closing blue eyes'. Like this big bad that tormented John for years kills like two named characters in this fight. And Theon is the only one with any real connection to the starks. Would have also had a major impact on Sansa as the two sisters plot lines were intertwined to start. Then the inevitable confrontation in King's landing could have been one of the Stark's kills Cersei in Arya's honor. We could see someone else inheriting Needle. There's just so much they couldve done in that moment.
@@devanburris6596 exactly right
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Sounds pretty good.
Too bad we got B-grade Mary Sue femunism and lazy crap instead.
@@devanburris6596Arya’s character should never have been involved with the White Walkers, Jon Snow storyline in the first place.
D&D didn’t even look so far into it. They just chose arya because nobody would think her would it. The same way nobody thought bran would become king. Subverting expectations is a great literary tool, but not when it is clichéd. Would you like a show with cliffhangers each and every episode? A great writer knows how to use all the elements of literature in varying degree to craft a great story, D&D does not. Their awful last season put stupid ideas in your heads.
Winter being no big deal in the end is the biggest fundamental issue with GoT as a show and it impacts the prequels significantly as well.
@@Russeren01 Jons story was all about the Long Night and the North. Arya was all about avenging the deaths of her family. Seriously Arya's storyline was for her to become an Assassins and get revenge on the people that wronged her. That's the point of her prayers at night before she sleeps. Saying the names of the people she plans to kill on her list.
Her relation to the Night king was simply do to the fact he was a big threat to the world. Be she never even met the guy only in that last moment they even met face to face. It was clear to everyone he was Jon's main Antagonist and nemesis from the get go, the second Jon killed that Wight in Castle Black. An him heading North and uniting making peace and a alliance with the Wildlings. An gathering the means to prepare for the most important conflict in Westeros.
It would have made more sense if Arya had instead gone to to Kill either Cersei or most likely, Daenerys as she has become a great threat cause she destroyed Kings Landing and killed 95% of the cities population.
You forget, they killed Varys without even touching on what the voice in the flames said to him, a plot that has been brought up practically every single season
It feels like there is this whole other faction that may actually be related to the undersea creatures. Varys, Patchface, Manderlys, that we didn't get in the show. There has to be some special reason why Varys was chosen to be cut, and it is probably based on his Blood. Could be Kings Blood as we are told it is powerful, but what King was it. Could be Targaryen..BlackFyres... or maybe even a king of a different realm...
@@smithgdwg I mean varys is basically a targaryen name. Could be he purposefully shaves his head to hide his blonde targaryen hair
Black or red, a dragon is still a dragon.
@@hypothalapotamus5293 i was gonna suggest he was a blackfyre next but we really dont know that lol
@@moon-moth1 Because they got ahead of the books written by an intelligent person and wanted to just end the series
IMAGINE Jaimie trying to kill Cersei in an effort to save the city like he did with the mad king but having to deal with the pain that he killed part of himself AND it doesnt stop the mad queen this time
Oh wow that would have been epic!!
What they did to Jamie at the end hurt me the most.
I can only imagine 😢
Omg how emotional it would be a Cersei and Jamie fight, a fight to the death at that
That's what it felt like they were building up to.
I remember the best meme to come out of the series finale. Chaos isn't a ladder. Chaos is a ramp. Lmao
38:51 option 3 would be Jamie being mortally wounded in the fight against the dead, Arya stumbling on him as he lays there dying, then wearing his face to "return" to Cersei
That would’ve been incredible
Now this would have been good! Arya was supposed to kill Cersei, not the Night King.
I appreciate the thought but I would think that Jaime being like 16 inches smaller and 50 pounds lighter would probably have aroused suspicion. XD
@@MiketheratguyMultimedia it would be the actor who plays Jaime, pretending to be Arya
That’s what I thought would happen before the season came out
Fully agreed. This show wasnt meant for those who dont like smart conversations, every scene with Charles Dance was gold.
I ADORED his character!!
The most strange thing season 8 accomplished was that it somehow made Arya feel like a Mary-Sue despite her having 7 seasons of development
Such a disappointment. She was a good character.
Bingo
The skilled she trained for gets used once and I guess she just kinda forgot, but unlocked the Mary Sue
John should have done it with snow zombie (I don't remember his name, night Walker king fella) and Arya should have dealt with the mad queen it would make more sense. He was the prince that was promised ( dealing with night Walker king) she was the strong assassin who did what was necessary with feeling in question. It feels like show runners just did it to surprise us. just like gossip girl was dan humpfree and not her(Ryan Reynolds wife's) brother.
@@MyNameIsSatoruGojolmao ill never take seriously the Dan Humphrey being gossip girl.
What made absolutely no sense was how the Targaryen army just walked all the way into Kings Landing with absolutely zero resistance. In the first 3 seasons there were battle lines, sieges, campaigns, logistics, and lines of supply. In the last episode they just walked up to the gates.
The thing was, D&D hated fan theory and wanted to subvert fan expectations above all else. So when fans picked up on little plot seeds that were planted in previous seasons and guessed the ending of some arcs, they decided to just say “fuck those carefully planted seeds and all the justification we built, let’s just do something random”. Danny going mad didn’t faze me quite as much as fucking Arya killing the Night King. Like what??? Did we really bring back John Snow from the dead just so he could skip doing the ONE THING he’s been all about since season 1?
Exactly. The pleasure of paying close attention to a tv show is picking up those breadcrumbs and shouting “I KNEW IT! Didn’t I say! YESSSS” at the screen when you are right. Not… being surprised because something comes out of nowhere for no reason? Yeah, shock value, but then you sit there more confused the more you think about all those little things you picked up on. And there is no rewatchability unless you have those threads to follow, so nobody buys the dvds or keeps the streaming views up. The only thing you get through pure surprise is a momentary trend on Twitter.
The exact opposite of the Brandon Sanderson approach, where every big reveal is hinted stronger and stronger as the book/series goes by, until the result is clearly correct and inevitable.
@@jorgemontero6384Sanderson has even more filler writing than second 6-7 though
Honestly, I feel like they just saw how much people liked the way the series subverted expectations in the first few novels/seasons and wanted to continue the trend, but never quite grasped WHY people like them. Kind of like M. Night and his use of twist endings. He had success with twist endings in his earlier movies, but then seemed to think that he had to add a twist ending in pretty much EVERYTHING he put out while not putting nearly the same care into those twists as his previous works. They fell into the trap of thinking that it was the writing device itself that people enjoyed, rather than how well those writing devices were implemented.
Subverting expectations by smoothly weaving the twists and turns into the narrative in a way that's logical and consistent is great. Subverting them purely for the sake of subverting them without giving any consideration to what has been established in the narrative or where the narrative needs to go afterwords is poor writing.
@@linpittsburgh2375 a proper subversion should leave you with a feeling of "I should have seen that coming" and that can be just as satisfying as "I knew it". What we got in the last seasons of GOT was not "I should have seen that coming" it was "where the hell did that come from". that is a pretty big difference.
The FreeFolk never forget what Dumb&Dumber did to our beloved show. One of my biggest gripes is just how damn small and barren the Realm feels by season 8. It’s just the same dozen characters, every House has a handful of members (or less), and fast travel has them teleporting around Westeros in minutes
5 years later, it still pains me just as much. Fans invested roughly 10 years of viewership to have this shitty conclusion. It’s especially painful considering George R.R. Martin had initially asked HBO for several more seasons and that money was not an issue. D&D just rushed everything because they wanted to move on to Star Wars. The disrespect for fans is mind boggling. I really wish there was some way they could redo the last season…
hbo was so wrong to give alot of power to them
They should remake season 5-8 and make it animated. Have everyone back to voice act.
They didn’t just rush the ending, they made it bad, very very bad and awful.
I honestly wouldn’t be opposed to HBO redoing the last few seasons.
Numnut. GRRM has full rights ... to all of the Shows ... and approves episodes & Seasons.
You have been listening to the bs from the fake news media.
Season 6 had caught up to Book 6 of 7 ... and GRRM ... did not want TWOW to be spoiled. So nothing in the last two seasons ... is in the books.
And any truly ridiculous plot armor ... means ... that person will die in the books. Armor like Dany being watched by the Night King land on the ground in front of him.
I'm finally rewatching this show after watching HOTD made me nostalgic. Every single freaking time the prophecy or the threat of the white walkers are mentioned in both shows, I audibly state 'it doesn't matter' or 'actually it gets resolved in one night'
This show is a prime example of what happens when show runners get god complexes. The final season is so horrible there is no way the other writers didn't point out the many glaring flaws to D&D. But they had one of the most successful TV shows of all time which they felt solely responsible for and felt they could do no wrong at this point. If they were simply patient and continued the formula of the early seasons AND actually followed GRRMs notes this show would've been their magnum opus. But nope, their greed and hubris got the better of them.
To top it all off netflix let them ruin another book adaptation in the 3 body problem
Don't Forget, They believed they knew better then the creator and kicked him out of the writers room.
Did they ruin 3 body problem? I didn’t bother watching once I heard they were the show runners
@@christiandonaldson2157 Supposedly they did alright
For anyone who would've not seen Dany going mad and Jon ending up on the iron throne? Have you been paying attention? Have ya"ll seen the red wedding? Seen the first episode where Bran gets dropped from a window? The butcher's boy getting killed for nothing? People getting skinned alive where a house takes pride in it. Ok, nobody likes them but nobody stops them either.
@@christiandonaldson2157I couldn't even finish the first season. Just very formulaic and contrived. It's not horrible but not very good either. It also felt like an almost big bang theory portrayal of scientists. Very difficult to take the show seriously.
I cant stomach the fact that my girl Meera Reed was left on tenterhooks by Bran. All those years of togetherness, Bran simply cold shouldering her was insulting.
I still greatly hated her ending
Yeah wtf was that all about!? I'm CONFIDENT it's just the easiest way for them to get rid of the actress, just like they did to Barristan Selmy. It's such a lazy ending for a character, and this is coming from someone who's indifferent about her character. It also further highlights how Bran shouldn't be king! If they chose to establish that Bran doesn't know the first thing about basic human empathy and other emotions, then they should stick to that decision and NOT make him king. On what earth is it rational for someone who doesn't know jackshit about compassion to rule over life and death matters for millions of people!
Bran forgot 💀
She's better off. Imagine hanging out with that robot
I think the worst thing about the GOT show is all the behind the scenes info on what shitheads D and D are as bosses.
As soon as episode 3 ended we turned to each other and said "Game of thrones is dead, isn't it?"
And it somehow still went downhill from there.
I stopped watching after S8 E3.
Every single problem with Game of Thrones can be attributed to one thing: Benioff and Weiss became too big for their own good and wanted off the show to pursue Star Wars (which never even happened). HBO even was willing to pull up dump trucks full of money to their driveways to allow them all the time they needed to finish off the show and Benioff and Weiss turned it down and wanted to wrap it all up as quickly as possible.
Those two did Game of Thrones dirty because they didn't want to stick around to finish what they fought so hard to start.
For me, I don't care HOW the story ended, I hated the WAY it ended. It went from being like watching a novel play out to watching a summary play out. Dany, for example. was ALWAYS going to burn everything to the ground. It was telegraphed almost from the first time we meet her. But they didn't pay it off in the final season in a way that seems satisfying at all. We were given a sentence instead of a chapter.
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All of this. Why is hardly anyone bashing the last two season's mention this They bailed and a show that should have had 40 more episodes got 13...
Yes, thank you. What bothers me about the disappointment/hate for the last season(s), which I share, are the Dany-Stans who are just bitter about their Queen not ending up on the throne as the savior of Westeros. Can't wait for Martin to finally finish up and prove that Dany's fate in the show wasn't just because of bad writing.
Don't get me wrong, Benioff and Weiss rushing to get to their Star Wars project definitely caused problems rushing the pacing and bad story decisions, but them taking their time, stretching it out another season, etc., would not have fixed the show or given us a great Season 8 & 9.
Every single problem with the final few seasons in Game of Thrones can be attributed to running out of source material. GRRM wrote some extremely smart & complex characters. What happens when you run out of source material and the writers are substantially dumber than the characters they are writing? The answer is those 'smart characters' start acting dumb, because that's all those writers know.
I don't think D&D has any inclination of writing original material to end the show. GRRM said the show being several seasons long would give him time to finish the books.
It could be that the rushed ending was just D&D "ripping the band-aid off" as they knew they were not up to the task of giving the show a satisfying ending without Martin's material.
I think that it started becoming apparent in season 4/5 that the showrunners didnt realize why the story was so captivating and the reasons for their success. On the bright side, we got 3 good seasons of television, but i think the way to go would have been to split the show after season 3 or 4 to have miniseries following each character would have been more along the lines of what d&d could handle, but getting writers would have been a really helpful hire as well as consulting with experts or wven history books to learn about the logistics of medieval life and battle tactics would have been helpful
Still blows me away that the character with "the best story" was the only character who completely skipped an entire season because it wasn't interesting enough...
S1-4 are Game of Thrones.
S5-8 are the dragonshow thing.
And as much as I love to praise, but this video is WAYY too good to S6&7.
Edit: I wanna point out how insane it is that almost the entire GoT subreddit turned into attacking everything that doesn't praise Later seasons. Many in there defend it with their lives.
R/freefolk
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Yeah idiots think the last season was the only bad one, but 5 onwards were just as bad.
I started reading the series in 2001. My daughter is named Arya. I have a cat named Tywin. I’m obsessed with the source material. The last 4 seasons horrified me. And the some of the smaller changes infuriated me (Arya killing Polliver in place of the Tickler for one). I hated that the Nights King was a thing. There should not have been an easy out for the long night.
@@rhaenyratargaryen1stofhern55 well if you want to fully endulge your hate for it... I recommend "Glidus" on TH-cam! You may find some amazing entertainment!
Also "Tywin" is the most perfect name for a cat... Holy shit this fits so perfectly to every cat I've ever known about... I wanna get a cat now, just so I can name him Tywin.
Coming from a Sopranos fanatic, S1-4 of Thrones was some of the best television and storytelling you could ever want.
Winter is coming. And it’s gonna last 1 episode. And then we get to the real end game boss. Cersei Lannister…. 🤢
Who then wasnt even killed by Arya.. The building fell on her 😑😑
The amount of plot armor Cersei had was insane
I was so hurt back then, that I didn't even bother with house of dragons. It's just like what happens in love, you get scarred for life..
It Is a good series. But I still worry they won't stick the landing
Please try, it's really good, and dumb and dumber are not the directors
Yes, exactly! I didn't even bother watching ANY tv shows at all. After having followed Game of Thrones for SEVEN years (I started in 2012), week after week, year after year, I can't bring myself to watch a "long" tv show now. Because what's the point, right? What's the point of investing yourself so much emotionally into a show just to risk being disappointed at the end. I loved Game of Thrones so much... and D&D broke my heart.
i completely understand this. i was the same way, i read the books and watched all 8 seasons, and when i heard house of the dragon was coming out, i assumed the worst. fast forward to about a week ago, i picked the show up and cant stop watching it lol. so far they haven't fumbled yet but they are apparently changing a few things from the book which makes me nervous
@@RodHammett95 just don't forget that GOT gave you 5 seasons (years) of intense intrigue. As long as R.R. stays with house or dragon's I stay hopeful. AND karma came around and dumb and dumber got dumped from star wars, and from Netflix for their slave series show. They fumbled GOT for NOTHING.
I still get so hyped when my "TV" shows off that HBO static logo and immediately leads into the GOT/HotD theme
If they used the 80s HBO intro, that would be awesome!
Jon not fighting the night king was a crime against humanity
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Still baffling to me how Arya killed the character Jon should have killed and rocks killed the character Arya should have killed, so ass backwards. I also totally agree the long night should have been an entire season affair.
I can’t even talk about how Jamie ended up getting back with Cersei what the actual F. I thought it was Arya wearing his mask after killing him off screen. Imagine my surprise when it was actually him and a pile of rocks killed them. Jesus.
@@Jules2439.5 i never even considered that but even that would have been better
Jon the man from the prophecy (and the franchise is called a song of ice and fire, that also represents someone who is Stark and Targaryen) and Arya the girl that trained with best assassins to get revenge on Cersei got done dirty by the writers that wanted to subvert expectations just because
@@DjunisBREyea her face swapping ability really went nowhere other then the Freys.
@@DjunisBREwell techs ally according to George the song of ice and fire represents the white walkers and the fire represents Daenerys
The show that defined the television of the 10s, being completely forgotten in the spawn of few years. Incredible to think.
Forgotten? I don't think so. This is a classic show. The general audience loves it still.
@@lampard4 everyone ive talked to in real life and asked about GoT has completely abandoned the show and its IP. its a small sample size but of 25 people no one cared about GoT anymore
@@lampard4 Its an ok old show but it is no Acolyte.
@@lampard4the show still has its fans but it's difficult to re-watch. My girlfriend wanted to watch it with me, and I just cringed
Sitting at over a 9 on imdb and its prequel is the most popular and well received currently airing western live action tv show.... forgotten by who?
For me, the worst part was the long night. The visuals were terrible and was too dark to see. And then combinations of dothraki dying, arya killing nightking, plot armour and lack of long shot scenes of the battle made it terrible.
Why does the nights watch exist now? The wildlings are allies and white walkers are gone!
Barristan's death was not only disappointing, but Ian McElhinney himself was especially angry because he had read the books and knew he was still alive so the showrunners only killed him off for shock value
I'll just never understand, D&D had the chance to become, undeniably the greatest TV show writers in goddammed history, all they had to do, was to give the best ending possible to one if not the greatest show in history.
Imagine having the world, literally and arguably, at the writing of the palms of your hands, and just fuck it up.
It's crazy to think.
The ending wasn't because they aren't good writers, they wrote a lot of original content for the show that wasn't in the books, that were pretty great, the best example is the scenes for Robert Baratheon or Robb Stark. They fuck up just because they wanted to.
That's just unforgivable.
Just curious, what ending would you have preferred?
They had the highest peaks and the lowest of lows 💀
They simped for Kathleen Kennedy's Star wars. Nuff said
@@robertandrews5434something that, you know, made any damn sense
@Makers745 Bran becoming the king made plenty of sense. People wanted Jon to become king because his backstory screamed he should be king. But that wouldn't have been an R.R. Martin ending.
Don't forget, everything wrong with Season 7 and 8 is because the show at that point was being written solely by one of the guys who thought it was a good idea to remove Deadpool's ability to speak.
Not having Theon kill the Night King seems like such a missed opportunity. After getting stabbed and left for dead, HE grabs Arya's dropped dagger and says, "What is dead may never die" and stabs the Night King saving everyone.
I am still so mad man!!!! This show had it all, there was so much lore!!! there was no way the whole story could have been wrapped in 2 season with 7 and 6 episodes. The writers fucked it up for starwars money and ironically they didnt get it.
They had the fucking word at their feet with this show and they gave it all away. It should have been 10 seasons long man.
I'm still so fucking upset over the last 2 seasons man!!!!
lol 2 more seasons of a made up hollywood like tv show sine the last two books in the series aren't even finished yet. People keep forgetting that it was the adaptation of the books that worked so well for HBO.
@@Naut1co yes man that's true they didn't have the last two books but george rr martin was working with them and even he said the show could go for like 13 seasons and the minimum would be like 10 seasons.
@@PA.69 not just George but HBO wanted it to continue as well. If those hacks D & D knew they were burnt out. They should've passed the show on to another team to finish.
@mydreaminorbit9297 Yeah, they wanted the credit!!
We missed so much content of just characters talking. Talking like how they talked before the battle at Winterfell. Don't forget this is the place where winter fell.
I can't even rewatch it because I know now how it ends. It's like rewatching a game where your team could win but blows it in the 4th quarter from shear incompetence. I imagine this is how Cowboys fans feel every year
First I laughed because I’m an Eagles fan, then immediately got sad because I’m an Eagles fan lol
Like Spurs fans, trying to watch 2013.
I'm in the same boad. I rewatched seasons 1-4 three times while the series was still airing. I don't think I'll ever watch another episode of GoT and I have no interest in House of the Dragon.
There are other series with bad endings that don't ruin the whole experience for me, but GoT always felt like it was building to some grand conclusion. That's a huge part of what made it so good, the way things were setup and pieces came together. Then the end was so profoundly unsatisfying, it just makes me sad even thinking about rewatching any of it.
Cowboys stay catching strays😂😂😂
I've seen dozens of season 8 roasts by now but I'm up for that ride again just like the first time
Any writers who suggest they want to 'subvert expectations' as a substitute for being a hack should be barred.
I maintain that the reason that Drogon burned the iron throne is because he looked down and saw qhis mom killed by a pointy thing, and then he looked a little over to the right and saw a whole ass chair made a big pointy things, and thought that that was the pointy thing that killed his mom
I can buy that! Also, if you buy that dragons and their riders share a link, then Drogon lays eyes on the manifestation of the thing that obsessed his mommy in her dreams, and which, in essence, caused her death, and the deaths of his brothers. So bad pointy thing caused all this. Bad pointy thing must go.
Poor Drogon, he's got no one left.
They say Drogon bonded with Jon when he let him touch him. His brothers are basically his twins.
As for throne burning. They say Drogon and his brother are the reincarnation of Balerion. Balerion created it. Maybe he felt something in destroying it.
That is so incredibly stupid considering Jon is standing right there and he's about to kill him before he doesn't.
That's just stupid. Dragons are not THAT dumb. In Fire & Blood (the book on HOTD), it's well established that Dragons have quite an intelligence in them, especially the older and the more ancient they get. That's why Vhagar initally hesitated to burn Laena to death, because intellectually he was trying to object. That's why Balerion essentially kidnapped its own rider, Aerea, to visit its past home, the ruined Old Valyria. That's why Seasmoke is acting up when most likely Laenor has died half a world a way. And that's also why you don't need to give a detailed verbal instrutions of what you want your Dragons to do when fighting other Dragons. They're intellectually bonded with their riders and they have a sense of what is signalled in thoughts! Also Dragons have ONE rider at a time, EVEN IF they have acknowledged other Dragon riders. Without spoiling HOTD, by the end of the Dance, a Dragon will literally eat another Targaryen family member to death, by the order of ANOTHER Targaryen. There's no reason why Drogon didn't just kill Jon. Basically the finale is just a dumb writing oversight by Dumb and Dumber. And I'll never forgive them for it.
Jon and Sansa being forced to dig up their ancestors’ tombs to remove the corpses (they should have known would get raised) could have been a crazy scene
No human could have written those last episodes ....theres is hundreds of monkeys in a giant ware house randomly typing somewhere 😮
All hail Bran The Broken, the first of his name, the king that no one wanted.
The king that never was.
The worst possible ending
You perfectly summed up my issues with Seasons 7-8: The action only matters if you're invested in the characters and events as part of the overall narrative. Action for action's sake is a waste of time.
5-8**
"You perfectly summed up my issues with Seasons 7-8: The action only matters if you're invested in the characters and events as part of the overall narrative. Action for action's sake is a waste of time."
I would alter this statement a little bit. "Action for actions sake in a show like Game of thrones is a waste of time". There are alot of franchises out there which contains basically nothing else than action. I dont think the Fast and Furios Franchise is comprised of fans which fawn over the fantastic Dialogs ( FAMILY!!!!!) or the MCU, which was the other big thing in the 2010s, with big budget action festivals. In which superheroes with superplot armor fought against a myriad of faceless antagonists.
Game of Thrones premise shouldn´t have worked as a mainstream show. It is still amazing to me, that a show which can be bleak,slow,dialogue-heavy and brutal ( I mean in the very first episode a random guy was beheaded, a young woman was sold and taken by a big, wild guy and a young child was pushed out a window from a guy who just had sex with his twin)was capable of THAT SUCCESS that Game of Thrones had. In the later seasons, especially after speedruning through the source material the show became excatly that. A mainsteam, marvelized spectacle with basically Fast and Furios Dialogue.
When Tywin died the worlds average IQ dropped to double digits suddenly
The worst part is that the same showrunners are about to ruin another show which is '3 body problem'. The novels are so intense and I don't think they have the mental capacity to understand the story.
The latest seasons of GoT are so packed with flaws that you can roast them without even mentioning the books.
Daenery's and Jon's interactions were cringe.
Daenerys was always cringe
Seriously! Did they really think that GoT needed a typical Boy-girl romance of the protagonists!! There was no place for it.
@@anoushkas8726but it was like destiny their storylines were mirrors of each other.
*Muh Queen*
I watched the first episode of this "show" after people were telling me how awesome it was.
I said it right at the end: so fire girl and snow guy hook up and rule at the end.
Never watched another episode, because this was basically soap opera.
Until my girlfriend said I had to watch this one "amazing" episode. She gave me a modicum of back story and I said: so the king obviously kills the whole family, right?
She just deflated.
I never understood what people liked about this. It's terrible and predictable. The accents are atrocious and all over the map.
Anyone seriously wanna claim that Tywin and Tyrion are even from the same country, let alone the same family?
And come on, try, just TRY to convince me that Daenerys looks like a warrior queen in the slightest, with those puffy arms. This was an actress that had never lifted anything heavier than 25 lbs in her life, and it showed.
Anybody really think Vaserys made it that far in life, in that world, with that personality?
Get bent, this was a good show. Garbage.
I think the creators misunderstood the reason for the show’s early success. Whenever I heard random people talking about GoT while it was running, the conversation always included “no character is safe from death, so you are always surprised”. I think the creators learned the wrong lesson: surprise (shock value) = success. But instead, it was good character development that drove the early success. They ended up sacrificing all that character development in pursuit of “what is the most shocking next thing that could happen?”.
not really, the show runners adapted the source material from the books. all the shock value moments and character development are from George's writing. George was one of the early advisers when they created this show. But you got to give the showrunners credit GOT is the best example of how to adapt source material
As a HUGE FAN, this is strong, accurate and SUCH tragic analysis. Spot on great work!
Night King was such a travesty. I now cringe every time I hear anything involving the white walkers
I also hated the clitche of the white walkers and wights being a hive mind like robots which were puppeteered by the Night King and a single consciousness bullcrap. They made them unscary unlike the first couple seasons which depicted them as unrelenting monsters that were a force of nature. Instead they make their leader a dark lord archetype which went against George RR Martin’s vision which was his world had no central evil dark lord but rather there was always new villains and threats to take the places of the previous. The wall had so much untapped potential as besides the White Walkers and zombies/skeletons in the books there are other supernatural threats and monsters and creatures and dangers that threated the world of mankind to have sealed off by the ice wall to keep from escaping. Trolls that acted as monkey’s paw type genies, ice spiders, evil spirits and gods, etc. The White Walkers weren’t the only thing that threatened humanity. There were endless terrors that could have been portrayed besides just a dark magic zombie virus and a few human savages and giants.
I hate in House of Dragons they keep bringing up The Prince that was Promised prophecy and that dagger because we all know how pathetic that storyline ends
@@DogOfWar64 hopefully HOTD can remain outside the GOT tv adaptation continuity and just be set in its own universe like how the book universe is different from the HBO show. Would be for the best to have future spin offs continue being set before the events of the mainline GOT novels and its tv series version.
@@DogOfWar64 they just need to wait a little more and remake the original with a better ending, they could at least ask martin to help them with later seasons
The Others from the books are 100X cooler even before The White Walkers were ruined
It was Tyrion’s beard that was the downfall. He was in that box for so long that he grew a beard and never was the same after
lol... the funny thing is... u are right.... it all started with that stupid beard
@@vickdinvick5485yea he looked stupid with the beard but in books he actually starts having one in Season 2 technically
@@officialthomasjames ohh noo.... thats not the point.... the problem is not how he looks.... the funny thing i mentioned, and maybe its just coincidence... but his chara assassination started when he got the beard in the show
Season 8 pissed me off so much that I genuinely can't bring myself to watch the previous seasons anymore.
For a show that I used to re-watch each season before the new one came out, and not only that each episode would get better the more you watched it, I realised it was taking a steady decline from season 6. There was nothing really to actually re-watch. Previous seasons you might pick up something you missed but from this point forward that didn't happen.
I now get angry thinking about the botched job they did on the later seasons ruining the whole series for me.
I feel exactly the same way! I used to re-watch this show every night to put me to sleep. I could re-watch it 40-50 times and still loved it, then season 8, and just knowing how it all ends in such bullshit ruins the entire thing for me. I just wish they would fix these mistakes and make it right so I can respect the show again and enjoy these fantastic characters.
it was so bad i refused to watch house of the dragons up until a few weeks ago. i’m not even kidding i was so done with this series
This is the single best critique of these seasons I've ever seen.
Jamie not killing Cersei might be the biggest missed opportunity for a dramatic end to not one but two phenomenal character arcs in TV history. It would have been epic and tragic and terrible and way better than what they ended up with.
IIRC Barristan died because his actor actually read the books and told D&D his character arc was bad, so they killed him off
Really?
@@dorjjodvobatkhuu6457Yes.
There's even a video where Dumb and dumber tell the story. They actually didn't say the actor's name, but oh yes.
Do you have a link to that? Barristan was my favourite character in show and Books so I'd like to read more into that. I watched the interview with Ian McElhinney after the episode and he seemed really disappointed 😢
I don't think he felt his character arc was bad, just that he thought his character had more to give the story as he does in the books. This revealed D and D as petty because the actor pointing out valuable info that contradicted their plans (1 of many breaks from the books which reveals they broke from the books rather than just ran out) resulted in them being more glad to kill the character and be rid of the actor. This is something that also debunks the notion D and D listened to others all that much.
@@pplr1 ah I think I read the original comment wrong, I thought it meant the actor felt the characters book arc was bad...I'm so glad I'm wrong 😅 I know he went to D&D and tried to talk them out of killing Barristan so I was confused as to why he would have thought the arc was bad. Thanks for confirming!
As someone who speed through most of this show in 2019. I can only imagine how disappointed viewers that invested years in this show must’ve felt after seeing especially the last few episodes of season 8.
Same same, binge watched it in less than a week and honestly if I'd been stretching through that for years to hit that ending I'd be raging lol
The entire thing was meaningless because Bran's line during his election as king "why do you think i came all this way?" implies that everything was predetermined. It's really sad because the entire story revolved around chaos and randomness, only for a single person to show up and say "your beliefs and choices don't matter because it was fate the entire time".
One detail that bothers me is the lack of logic of having Bran as king. He can’t procreate. There won’t be a linage after him…
When he eventually dies huge bloody civil war for the throne. Should have just had Jon be king.
That’s kinda the point - it’s a ner positive for Westeros. An elective monarchy would be better than an ordinary one. How do so many people miss that? No royal family means no royal infighting, and every major house voting on the election will ultimately lead to better kings. I bet the books do the exact same thing.
@@stephengrant4841the Romans diagree with this statement
@@stephengrant4841the houses will just fight to gain votes
It's because no one had a better story than........ Bran?
In seasons 5-8, Tyrion, Varys, and Littlefinger suddenly dropped 50 IQ points. The showeunners should’ve ended with season 4 and continued it with some recasts here and there when (if) the books are ever completed
This show really died with Tywin dying.
So many years later, the ending never fails to piss me off.
Just imagine if it lasted 10 seasons instead of 8 and the quality never declined. the final battle on the icy sand dunes of Dorne with the assembled might of all the kingdoms making a final stand against the walkers. THAT is my headcanon ending.
What would be really good is when cersei gets killed by jamie and revealed later that it was arya wearing jamies mask
That would work especially well if the whole faceless men ordeal fully dehumanizes arya, turning her into a vengeance monster, not unlike her mother in the books. Jamie becomes a true knight, saves the world, and gets murdered by someone that doesn't believe in redemption. Amazing tragedy that would have had to be prepared since season 6 or so.
5 years? Man, times fly fast.
To be fair I wanted the show to end with The Night King sitting on the throne. That would have been a cool ending to this show. Or the last scene of Bran sitting on the throne, opening his eyes and you see blue Night King eyes.
This shows assassination by hacks too inept to realize they needed help after they ran out of books is the petty hill im going to die on. They butchered a good thing cause they got cocky and thought whatever they did, people would eat it up. Glad that wasnt the case!
Whenever I rewatch, I just pretend S5 is the last season and after that the show got cancelled 😂😂
I have never seen a show where so many great and beloved characters been assassinated towards the end. Usually it's just one. Game of Thrones is really special.
I'm so glad you talked about seasons 5-7 too, because in my opinion I almost think the 7th season is worse than the 8th. The dream team heading north of the wall was insanely dumb and bad writing, Baelish's death was enormously contrived and out of character, Euron's horribly watered down portrayal. The series died with season 8, but season 7 laid the groundwork for that downfall
Yeah to catch a white walker was pretty stupid
Theon Greyjoy dying after killing the Night King would’ve been the greatest ending to a character’s redemption arc in television
Final season is the reason I ask people who haven't watched GOT not to watch it ever. It's a total waste of time. Imagine how it felt when people like me watched over so many years. It was such a big slap on the face for the fans.
@@moon-moth1who wants to watch a show which will have a terrible ending 😂
@@adilotrwumm ending can be bad but half the show was bad there's no point of watching it beyond s4
@@adilotrwmeaningless deaths, characters sabotaging, senseless actions, plot armors.....
Since season 8 is so contradicted by seasons 1-7 of proper GoT (not just the characters being out of character but other things like bells suddenly meaning surrender in King's Landing when they don't in season 2-Davos said so and events prove it) it is reasonable to argue season 8 is not part of proper GoT. Maybe a trip into a mirror dimension like in Star Trek but not proper GoT. Proper GoT only lasted 7 seasons, possibly six.