BYD Shark: Oz-first PHEV dual-cab ute. (Potential Ranger killer?) | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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Having worked in Shenzhen China for 12 Years from 2008 to 2020 the home of BYD where i experienced the BYD fleet of E6 EV Taxis I attest to their quality .. BYD for over 15 years have gone through three versions of the E6 adopted now as London Cabs and yet to be exported here although they are in Singapore , Excellent ride and I quizzed cab drivers who endorsed their reliability in this super busy modern Chinese city .. BYD have runs on the board
If you have already forgotten and forgiven the CCP for their COVID-19 bioweapon release, by all means go ahead and buy their junk a la BYD.
Guess who saw a good investment opportunity.
Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway first invested in BYD way back in 2008 on a prescient hunch that the then-no-name startup could become one of the world's largest automakers, buying a 10% share for a mere $230 million.
If you have already forgotten and forgiven the CCP for their COVID-19 bioweapon release, by all means go ahead and buy their junk a la BYD.
I call b.s. On the burn your driveways quality levels . The Chinese are world champion b.s artists.
@@bobdobalina798 listen to you or Warren? Hmm hard one
I've done a bit of car pooling in a mid- spec BYD Seal. It is a very nice place to be. Impressed
th-cam.com/video/UcQJXpdQjhw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=6rmEcH2VOupMlfOC
Did it feature vinyl….sorry, vegan leather upholstery like in a Tesla?🤣
@@kallekas8551not sure id like to sit in a chair made of vegan leather... sounds as bad as inviting a vegan out for dinner
@kallekas8551
If it's not leather, it's vinyl.
@@buncha5651 Gotta love marketing BS!🤣
I have a Chinese ldv v80. Parts are expensive but one thing I have been impressed with is it's nearly done 200k and driven it on roads that should have beaten the suspension and steering to death. But still has not required a single wheel alignment.
I have created my own PHEV of sorts one car is a trusty diesel SUV for towing whatever I like to wherever I want and the other is a moderately priced non Tesla EV for round town trips and nearby regional cities. Perfect balance IMHO. Let's not turn buying cars into some kind of religion, just buy whatever suits the intended purpose best.
A lot of ozzies are struggling (even with two incomes) to cover all existing basic expenses, let alone double their travel costs.
And that's the issue, IMHO, not "religion" about cars (kinda always been a factor.. remember the old "ford vs holden" BS?) it's the constant "I'm all right Jack" attitude, or at best, "This is my reality, yours isn't my problem" Pervades all of our life, starts when we vote, when we chose who's best for me, stuff the country, and is evident throughout society.
I guess if you have the means to pay for two cars, double insurance, rego, and possibly the need to add rooftop solar and battery to avoid exorbitant power prices... good for you.
@@iffracem Let's face it, there are a hell of a lot of Haves who managed to buy their house a decade or three ago and now have extra cash to splash around.
@@iffracem so if you (a person) cant afford it, you get to have your 15 year old POS...why the seemily attacking comment on someone who can? I have 4 cars, you going to have a go at me also?
@@iffracem None of these are options for people struggling anyway, so it's a moot point. No one having issues with basic expenses is buying one or two new cars, EV hybrid or gas.
I'm actually a big fan and I love that the black cap on you wear, the one that has a large letter C on it. It couldn't stand for crocodile, umm right? Nope I refuse to believe it, it just can't be. So the only conclusion I can come to is that your in disguise right now. Sheesh!! that was a close one I almost had a full mental breakdown thinking that my world view with you at the top, as my own personal jesus had just come crashing down before my very eyes, but nope it now all makes sense, you must have been in disguise to blend in with the average aussie bogan? So i'll just have to put my breakdown off for another day. Although with the way our countries going of late it would not have been to long before it happened anyway. LOL
Hmm hey have you ever thought about becoming a professional scumbag? You know, a a politician? I mean speaking for myself and I imagine most aussies we don't really give a fu.. if you pad your own pockets some as long as you do the job you were put there to do & actually try to help the country out too. You know, try and be greedy for the country sake first. If you were to do it right there would be plently left over to steal once the countries on track & wealthy after that, I promise most us bogans would not give a dam as long as you put the country first, then you robbed us. If you do it like that then you'd probably be the prime forever. LOL
Wow that Oils recital was impressive 👌
I agree, look forward to this arrival. Looking to place an order
“You can’t frighten a Triton” except to say John’s Triton has developed a phobia of sharks.
My next vehicle is definitely going to be a plug in hybrid and I'll have a look at the Shark when it is actually released. For me, I want to have a minimum of 100km's electric range which the Shark has.
You can drive BYD Shark only by using gasoline without charging at all. Even so, it is still more fuel-efficient and more powerful than all traditional pickup trucks.
I call bullshit on 100km range from 30kw battery. It will be closer to 50km. It’s big heavy and not aerodynamic. So pob makes more sense to have diesel only Ute or EV small car.
@@paulmcdonagh753 The Mitsubishi Outlander which also has brick like aerodynamics and is heavy gets a genuine 74km's from a 20kw battery.
John I’m disappointed in your scaremongering by labeling BYD as “Burn Your Driveway”.
Yes I completely get it is definitely a great catch phrase and that you love taking a shot at brands and it’s your gimmick, plus we Australians are renowned for turning car brand names into jokes “Found On Rubbish Dumps” and “Fu€led On Race Day” as example but the reality is there is a higher chance of the combustion engine catching fire compared to an EV but it’s crazy how many people think it’s the opposite 🤦♂️ Yes the fires are completely at different ends of the scale when it comes to severity and toxicity though.
Regarding the Shark though, I like yourself are intrigued and interested in this vehicle and I’m actually also interested in the hybrid Tank 500 and Cannon Alpha as well but as I’m one of your favourite type of people (caravan towing type of person) I’m waiting to see people actually put these through their paces in the real world first.
“Burn Your Driveway”. Yes Great catch phrase but the show is almost one long catch phrase.
Always love the blunt descriptive honesty and I would happily take this on! *incredible wading depth is an absolute must! A regular drowned can be expensive enough… let alone this
Omg it’s the war of the Utes. At this point in time I’ll stick with me 2023 Cannon Diesel Ute and watch the battle of the Utes unfold.❤
- i'm sticking with pre "bollocks to the limits" post dieselgate "Restrict Your Range" mods...
I can’t understand the obsession with 4wd wagons and utes.
I’m a tradie and drive a white van during the week I can carry a lot more crap 💩 in the back than any Ute can and press a button to safely lock tools away.
For the weekends the van gets parked and have a sports sedan.
and there is a lot your van cannot carry.. cant get decent roof racks on a van cant carry anything taller or wider than the van and cant go to the quarry for some crusher dust among many other things
A 4wd wagon has better storage security than a ute, and is somewhere between the sports sedan and the ute in sportiness.
- horses for courses and vans for elec-chickens, carpeters, painters and plumbers - lotsa space for lightweight odds and sods in racks - not so great for concreters getting tonnes of junk - where to load the rebar sheets on a van??
- crank off canopies/site toolboxes, for the builders who like fishing boating or camping, single reg, multiple use cases - one for Monday to Thursday one for... "fridays" - write the whole set to the expenses - the first one got "damaged"....
Of course if you need a "track" car too, go all out in your "boags burnout machine"" - nothing quite like displacement plus a blower for making smoke at the local snag fest (bunnings Saturday morning).... (jks)
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Great point.
People like to use the ute more in their personal time so they can go camping / 4x4'ing etc etc. They don't want a sports sedan.
You are so lucky. If we only can get this BYD in Canada.
Sadly, any car from China would be considered a major national security threat in Canada.
Fingers crossed soon, unless Canada gets pressured by the yanks to put 100 percent tariffs
@@alichaudhry12 canada will never put 100% tariff. she will put in 200% tariff because when america says jump canada dont ask how high she just does it
John Cadogan considering this Phev Ute to replace his Triton is high praise indeed after all hes said about them in the past. Somehow I see a review in the future.
Sways with the wind,Who knows.
oMFG John is not only becoming an EV convert but a chinese EV?!?! What in the world!!!
My friend has had a BYD Atto 3 for just over a year now and i've been impressed at how good it's been - not just the car itself but the after sales support too. I love driving the thing and handles really well in sport mode.
There was a couple minor teething issues in the first few months but she had a loan car whilst they dealt with them and have a growing number of service centres so i think they have managed to do what no other Chinese brand has done here - actually penetrate an existing market with a decent product and build a good reputation.
I never would of thought i'd say this 10 years ago about a Chinese auto brand but i hope they keep going from strength to stregnth and am seriously considering getting one myself!
My biggest complaint is they need to get rid of the rear badging - i'm not alone in this thought either as nearly a third of the Atto's i see have been de-badged 🤣
I'm desensitised to the cheesy 'Build Your Dreams' badging on account of seeing so many Atto 3s in traffic
All the new ones only have ‘BYD’ badging now, no more ‘Build Your Dreams’
Better than “Burn my wallet”
tesla was just as good in Australia till they released the model3 after that they may as well closed their service center doors they are that bad
Curious to know the reason for the after sales support if I may ask. Cheers
The concept looks good although I’m reluctant to donate to the Death Star that will ultimately destroy us.
Don't worry bloke. The demographics bequeathed to the CCP by the One Child Policy will cause China to implode in the next 20 years. Before then the *trillions* of US$ spent on the real-estate Ponzi scheme will see Chinese economy self-destruct before your Shark reaches End of Life. Seriously, they are utterly fucked and can not possibly afford the military build-up to throw their weight around.
Of course our economy will be sunk at that point. If only we'd made something out of that iron ore we shipped overseas instead of selling it all to a 3rd world country.
It’s already happened dude, we’ve already sent off a majority of our manufacturing and processing capabilities, plus giving away free trade deals so we can never compete, so it’s over and has been for a long time … sold out by politicians and businesses
@@vladthe3rd414 I realise it’s a runaway train mate and a largely symbolic gesture on my part but it’s cathartic nonetheless. It’s hard to avoid the mass produced trinkets at the hardware store but big ticket purchases from the Death Star are a definite no fly zone.
Yeah i was going to say... You already do, most of what you buy is from there already
At least we can still build our own driveways in 'Straya.
So much potential with this. I currently partake in many a weekend camping next to dingo piss creek. Issue through summer is always keeping the shitoir on wheels cool enough to sleep through the night. Using that 30Kw as a power source for the night wouldn't consume under 30% for the night and would be a hell of a lot more pleasant to fall asleep to than the bogan harmony of a bunch of flogged out, never serviced Kings genies.
I think by the time this ute hits our shores it will be pretty well sorted based on BYD’s existing vehicles, I think all of the Thai built utes (Japanese owned but let’s be honest they are Thai built from parts primarily made in China) are going to have to get their act together pricewise or they will get trampled as time goes on. There are some serious contenders lurking in the shadows.
Nah mate people are too dummy to buy cars with a better price don't forget that they follow what the TH-camrs have to say and endup with a nice huge UTE out of date in technology for 20% more than you supposed to pay for so don't worries they won't need to worry about catch-up any time soon.
John, I have now heard you quote that the Nissan Navara has independent rear suspension on two occasions. The Navara dual cab has coil rear suspension, but it ain't independent. The rest of the range has leaf rear suspension. Cheers.
I must say that I am surprised you're considering participating in the early adoption of this vehicle considering the reputation of some Chinese 4wds in terms of their penchant for their premature matrimony with iron oxide. I welcome this vehicle and others of the same ilk but also look forward to the feedback from those who are braver than me to venture down this path. Yes, I am an early adopter and risk averse whimp and require positive reinforcement prior to dipping my toe in the waters of unknown reliability and longevity. Thanks for sharing JC
Byd a massive company with millions of car and buses running around for decades,
@@daweigo6851 But not in Australia so good luck sourcing parts from their local inventory and immature after sales service. For logical reasons, I'm focused on the present and not the future when discussing the ownership experience
You can drive BYD Shark only by using gasoline without charging at all. Even so, it is still more fuel-efficient and more powerful than all traditional pickup trucks.
And interior more luxury and comfortable to drive
🤠👍💯 definitely one of your besties
Great vocabulary 😂
It is a good looking vehicle, I will give it that. 👍
Remember it's only skin deep 🏴🇬🇧😁😁😁
but ... but ... I just spent another $20k on Victron gear for the Ranger so I can use my deluxe bean to cup espresso machine at Dingo Piss Creek ...
Don't worry, a DIY battery system is always going to be more configurable and repairable.
Nissan V8 patrol - oh the sound rather than a dentist drill
This guy is more schizophrenic than I thought. 2 days, hit piece against the Atto 3 and now love for the Shark. Each way Cadogan
How are Phev vehicles in water crossings? Living in FNQ I quite often have to drive in water, especially during the wet season. If they can handle 600 mm of water then they could be useful up here. ( these are not flood waters but part of normal life)
There totally fine.
Lot's of vids of Tesla's driving through water.
Think I heard 600mm for the shark but that might be my head playing tricks
Have you seen the SUV from BYD's sub-brand that can float and drive in water. So I suspect they know a thing or two about being submerged in water?
@@wleng I assume u mean the yangwang u8. That one they specifically design to wade thru water and they do recommend a service done afterwards to make sure it’s ok. Also that is a six figure vehicle. Comparing is not quite right.
@@deragoth4250 BYD Tang can drive in water easily. The electrical motor and wires are completely water proff.
- are you having a laugh - when ever did your 600mm wading depth not get significantly exceeded in the wet ?? Snorks are for reasons, not covered by new car warranties. - make those breathers nice and long - to the roofline - is best...
John, its a better watch than comedy hour. just brilliant.
Thank you very much.
The worst car I’ve driven, so far, is a Kia Rio that I rented while on holiday in 2004. It was a completely miserable little car. Within 10 years Kia was making properly sorted, mainstream cars. It seems the Chinese brands on right on that trajectory.
Specs sound nice. And burn your driveway is an awesome term of endearment.
overseas it is Burn your dealership - BYD's have had dealerships go in fire from crappy Chinese battery systems going up...
@graantmnz
Same crappy Chinese battery system used by Tesla. Same crappy Chinese evs that have 100% tariff imposed on them by Washington. Biden is so afraid of them coming to America and take over his market.
Sorry John, but none of the mainstream Utes have fully independent REAR suspension, including the Navara.
Navara has a Live Axle with Coil Springs and 5 Link vs the usual Leaf Springs of the others…
Rear IFS on a Ute with any sort of load or towing (or both) ? Good luck…
all the grandads used to tow vans with IRS falcons lol
@@JReklis Some still do.
Pajaros, touregs, x5s tow caravans just fine with irs.
Ranger Raptor
@@joeldavis3152 they are limited to 2500 and when you put 1500kg on they sag, they aren't for work towing, just jetskis. Everests don't sag though
Burn Your Driveway is a good one, my current front runner is Boil Your Dog
Jesus Christ 😂😂
Bring Your Daughter etc.....
No good. Then we'd be BYP
Bury your dump.
Genius!
I love my RAM and couldn't see myself getting anything else other than another RAM when the time comes to replace it, however, this is a pretty good looking bit of gear.
I drive a Ram 2500 for work, I hate it I don't have any buyers bias.
What's for lunch John.
Teriyaki tofu burger sounds lovely.
Of course, church comes after Gentleman's Club/Therapeutic massage.
Not much point in before now, is it!
Would like to know what is the quality of the steel the body and under structure is made of
I wondered where you have been, now I see 3 of your other recent videos. Never got notified till tonight.
I've been having a look at the credentials of this aquatic creature.
I'll tell you one thing the dingo piece creekians love spending many many thousands of dollars on big campsite power setups. This shark will eat all their setups alive and you just turned the key and power it up for a little bit more.
I really hope they give it some 240 volt outlets with 10 amp capacity, I'm gonna sit back watch your show and hopefully find out.
- my little portable powerstation has 2.5kWh of LFP, and a 200W solar up-top, in case we stay stationary more than a few days (only a couple+ a bit of AUD$$G's + abit DIY, weighing around 30kg) - it also sucks electrons from an idling engine ... Sure any PHEV will have moar powa (or energy / and/or - potatah/ tomatoe), but way out back, there isn't so many places to plug in, so the vehicle becomes a regular regen hybrid then, maybe some gains, but most "fuel savings" in hybrids comes from an Atkinson cycle - the electrons mask the gaps in performance which arise from a less sprightly ICE engine...
it is a petrol, I do not believe 7.5l per 100km. I believe in something 15+. I could be wrong if modern petrol approached to the same results as diesels.
To be able to power your house is all well and good but what happens when there is an emergency or any reason to use the vehicle and the battery is flat. Guess bring out the generator
@@alexk6745 you get that the petrol engine is not powering the wheels through a gearbox and differentials right? The petrol engine is a generator.
@@tallboy49 I have emergency plastic can 20l of diesel. But not sure what sort of emergency battery can someone have which weights less than 20kg and gives same range
I recall a scathing video about the Nissan X Trail, attacking a petrol engine driving a generator driving an electric motor as a poor drive line for efficiency. Will the Shark drivetrain allow the 1.5 litre petrol engine to put power to any of the wheels bypassing the electric drive train, like the Outlander PHEV does at over 70kM/h?
I returned from a tour of Egypt recently, they have some very old BYD vehicles on the road over there, they are very popular and seem to be very reliable.
I have a BYD Seal Premium in my future, and maybe we will replace our towing vehicle with a hybrid, maybe a Shark.
Can a Seal and a Shark co-exist in a common double driveway?
I've been keeping a keen eye on the Shark. Ticks all the boxes for me. I currently own a Tesla model 3 and a JK Wrangler.
If you can't do it, don't make fun of others. I don't know any brand of cars made in Australia.
Obviously not Australian. It’s a national pastime here. Sadly our American and Japanese heads decided to leave. Last ones in 2017.
The reliability for the BYD Shark Ute should be quite decent. The Shark's powertrain is derived from BYD's Fang Cheng Bao lineup. Their FCB lineup specializes in high end PHEV SUVs. BYD just officially launched their 5th generation PHEV DM-i technology in two sedan models. Many users online have demonstrated actual range and MPG efficiency comfortably exceeding BYD's official rating (full tank full charge > 2100 km, actual MPG > 80). Although the Shark doesn't use the BYD 5th gen DM-i PHEV tech, maybe the 2nd gen Shark would. The possible existence of a PHEV UTE with > 50 MPG will simply erase the need for any pure EV UTE.
Does BYD cars typically last the 300,000km expected of hilux before major repairs are needed?
@@hi9580seen byd e10s doing their job as taxi for 10 years
I may have missed it but I don't recall you mentioning the FBT exemption on a novated lease with this vehicle.
From my limited understanding it should qualify:
1. It's still prior to April fools day 2025
2. It's a plug-in hybrid
3. It's tipped to come under the Luxury Car Tax threshold (why do we even have this...)
4. It's a car designed to carry less than 9 people with a payload under 1 tonne (the advantage of that smaller payload in this case)
Would it not qualify? That, like the Swiss flag, would be a big plus.
I'm going for the Outlander PHEV myself thanks, in part, to your reviews. Good to get the good bad and ugly review in addition to the test drive.
I absolutely love the concept. Toyota Tacoma in the USA is now available with their Hybrid I-Force max 243Kw 630Nw, but still no Plug-In … I’m guessing Australia will just get some pretend belt driven electric assistance and no full time 4x4.
630 NW is like ATC's vector when doing circle-work?
- what belt driven BS is that you are meaning, like as in a SXS... ?? Do you mean like a GMC transfer case??
( honestly wondering - many still regard most FT4WD SUV or Mall Crawler as highway queens - offroad a rugged, fully locked - with options to select any configuration - is the nuts (We don't all drive massively jacked rock crawlers, because we usually drive to our playground not trailer the toy in...)
Ah yes. Newton watts.
@@bigjaz8768 The newton-metre or newton-meter (also non-hyphenated, newton metre or newton meter; symbol N⋅m or N m is the unit of torque (also called moment) in the International System of Units (SI). One newton-metre is equal to the torque resulting from a force of one newton applied perpendicularly to the end of a moment arm that is one metre long.
One Newton-metre is the rotational force applied by one Newton of force applied one metre from the fulcrum. (One Newton, meanwhile, is the force required to accelerate a one kilogram mass at one metre per second, per second.) Any normal car or SUV with 500Nm or more is going to be considered pretty torquey.
@garageblitztv3215 nice copy and paste. In your original comment, it says "630 nw". Just thought I'd let you know.
Nice to see you shaven bro
Service and Reliability? to be seen?, mind you, the popular Ranger has issues with both, go figure.
And there is lays the question …. This is after all, a Chinese product. In the US we’re weary of their products quality or lack there off, sounds you Ausies are not concerned … what say yous?
The way Chinese EV manufacturers are going bust, I wouldn't bank on after sales service. That's aside from the dealerships going up in flames.
@@foxstrangler No way BYD is going bust. It's huge and growing
@@Philibusting The Chinese EVs we are getting here, including Teslas, have excellent build quality.
@@budawang77 China is broke....and just look at Evergrande. Just give it time.
It would be interesting to see how it performs with real world towing, my diesel 4x4 will tow my 7.3m boat 600km easily on one tank of liquid carbon. I have done this many times.
- and the boat can carry a lot of jerrry cans.
That’s the big question for me. If it can tow a decent caravan I will be test driving for sure
how much did you pay for the long range tank? Asking for a friend.
@@ridingwithpat 110 liter fuel tank, came with the car.
@@chrismoore2549 Yep it will, a 3.3 L diesel in a Lexus LX.
It is definitely on my radar to replace my old cross 6 crewman
Leaf spring/solid axle rear is the best way to distribute road loads into the frame, if you’re after durability.
Everything can be made sufficiently durable, with enough cost and weight. Semi-elliptic leaf springs are just cheap and light.
That must be why all the EV Utes/trucks have IRS. Cybertruck, silverado ev, hummer ev, Ford lightning.
@@rjbiker66the basically need the irs to package the traction unit. Way too mass in a solid axle unit. Or run a tail shaft to cut down unsprung weight thereby totally removing the benefit of a traction transaxle.
@@rjbiker66 thats because attaching a 300+kg lump to the rear axil doesn't improve the ride or handling.
so they have to bolt it to the chassis
@@jonathanrabbittlight? Have you picked up a leaf spring pack before?
I think BYD had a lot of complaints about nagging ADAS in the Seal and employed about 70,000 technicians within 24 hours to work on the problem. Apparently the OTA updates on the Seal make the ADAS far less intrusive, but as you say, just have to wait and see what it's like on the Shark. Pretty awesome proposition so far though, if this thing hits all the right points - driveability, V2L / V2G, decent EV range (100km) and competitive price. I know the towing is 2.5 T rather than 3.5 T, but most boats and caravans are under 2 tonne unless they are pretty big. Looking forward to this.
It would be good if our friends at Mitsubishi used some of their PHEV tech and made an awesome PHEV Triton to rival this Burn Your Dog. Is there some way we can get the adas turned off.
Hi John, I'm curious about why new EV'S don't show hiway and city consumption rates on their efficiency stickers. It just seems very misleading and deceptive to me. Would you be able to elaborate as to why this is.
Thanks Trent
I will keep holding on to my 79 even tighter
Let's hear more about this trousers optional public holiday please. Need to book time off and buy tickets.
Sounds interesting. I hope they also have a 5-door SUV built on this. I love chinese food, so where it's made doesn't bother me. The mainstream manufacturers have been ripping us off for years. 😊
They already do. Released last year under a BYD sub brand in China - see Fang Cheng Bao 5. Same platform as the Shark. Hopefully BYD will bring this to Australia soon too.
Would love to see your opinion on the BYD Qin L (?Quinelle?) - with all the news outlets flagellating about the 2000Km plus "Range", Ive got money that it would not get close to that on the open road.
There are plenty of third party test videos available on TH-cam. I think the biggest thing is the speed never goes over 90 Kph. China has lower highway speeds than the USA, not sure what you guys have . I would expect speed averaged around the 60kph range so extended highway travel would certainly be less..
PHEVs might actually be the way to go - I need 100km range to can get me to work and back on a charge, but that may be on the cards soon.
The 2025 Ranger PHEV will probably only be around 50km. They should have put a 100km battery in it, or have that as an option. And at least a 2400 watt 240V outlet.
I'm actually wondering about converting my Pajero to a hybrid - replace the rear transfer case with a small electric motor and fill the 3rd row seat well with some batteries. Drop it into HR 4wd when I need to use the diesel engine, or I can use both for some extra oomph. Not sure how feasible it will be as I haven't dug into it much.
At that pricing this is definately worth watching.
Here's hoping it doesn't turn into a BYD Shart
Would love to hear your thoughts on the GWM TANK 500. Thank you
I like the idea and the possibility of what this could be. Though still hesitant about low range. Have a couple electric bikes and they do reasonably well for what they are but gearing is always a compromise for low end grunt and top speed. Wonder what balance byd has opted for to allow for a good 4wder. And how the throttle would be mapped for low speeds.
I look forward of your review of this dingo piss creek adventurer.
Electric motors produce maximum torque at zero rpm. Tractive effort (throttle control) at low rpm/high load is better than IC engines imo. Wheel slip and traction would be controlled through sensors just like in most high spec IC 4WD vehicles.
@zorbakaput8537 the trouble I have found with electric is you load it up until the wheel starts to climb something but then quickly over speeds breaking traction and taking control away. You see this within videos of electric cars doing challenging terrain, breaking traction becomes very easy.
It would need to have throttle mapping that would allow peak torque but limit how quickly it will allow the motor to increase rpm.
I know the problem can be overcome just wondering if they will sort it out or not.
Surprised jumping the shark didn't get a mention. My 1st wife* bought a seal, it goes alright.
*current wife, but keeping her on her toes.
This is what Toyota should have done a plug in Hilux makes sense most are garage queens or don't leave Bankstown
How else are you supposed to transport your yoga mats .
@@13infbatt hahahaha🤣🤣🤣
Need that raised ride height for when you misjudge parking and ride the kerb as well.
Pull a real load ...then do a another review.
This is a Pretend Truck John.
Up Here in Canada a 6.0 Liter V8 Vortec uses less fuel then a 2.4 liter turbo inline 4..
And I bet that the Pretend BTD 1.5 Liter will be worse.
That BYD weighs more the a Chevrolet 1500 and it's a smaller unit...
Good luck on the purchase
Don't they know the Shark {Mr G Norman} is on the nose these days and everyone in golf land wants to punch it?
Sounds more like EV with a power generator. As it sounds, ICE does not drive the wheels. Which is a good idea. But can we please stop saying Electric Motors have full power at Zero rpm… At zero RPM EM is stationary or Rest State and does not produce any power. EM needs a couple hundred rpm to deliver the power. Which is better than ICE cars but still…
Also can we stop adding electric kilowatts and NMs of all electric motors as 1+1 and adding in a petrol power as well as +1. It does not work that way… For instance one Famous brand EV car that shall not be named is rated at 640 hp when you just add peak powers of motors but on the dyno it has a tad less than 400 hp… 😂
Any chance you could do a drive test on anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Personal cars for around town are likely to go EV more than you have said recently. The market will hit 70%+.
But in commercial / Ranger / Hilux / trader / rural / high mile / towing sectors EV just will not happen. This market will fall between Plug-in Hybrid and Range Extender EV (sort of the same thing, with REX being bigger battery, smaller petrol engine, + 150km range). @ 150km range unloaded you are talking EV operation day in day out for most people - it then becomes a matter how much is saved by charging it in v buying diesel.
Would like to see a flat bed too - I think that would add some real work spec to the Shark.
BYD? Bogans You’re Done!🤣
From the insurance council of Australia. "Research indicates that road registered electric vehicles do not present a greater risk of fire occurrence than internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles and one study has found that they catch fire at about one-twentieth of the frequency of ICE vehicles. However, when electric vehicle battery fires do occur, they need to be managed differently, and may require more time, resources and firefighting water to manage the incident." So in Australia you are 20 times more likely to have a fire in your ICE car. The BLD has the LFP blade battery just look on Utube "BYD nail test". Please talk more about batteries when you review electric cars. You might also when reviewing ICE cars let people know they are 20 times more likely to catch fire and should be fitted with ejector seats.
This is the gap that BYD has filled for the way aussi ppl use 4x4... If i had $$$ (I don't with cost of living pressures atm) id buy one.
Could do a GVM upgrade if you really had to?
@@paulredfern2252 - hmmm. unlikely - There are reasons the tow weights are down (I get that 3500kg on the a$$ of a ranger makes it drive like an underpowered poorly pointing dog..), and it could be something like the 250kg static load on the rear end is a bit taxing on the structure (with that electric drivetrain as well ?? ... A real GVM upgrade probably needs a new half chassis (does it even have a chassis???).
FWD / hybrid up front + electric rear end - beginning of the end for utes....
If it needs servicing it is good. Dealerships will love it.
The old guard automakers spent so much time mooning the customers the Chinese planted a flag on it.
They also shared technology with the Chinese to get a hold of Thier market and the saic ldv ute is sold in some markets as a Chevy.
I'm sorry.
Could you please explain to me, what possible advantage it is, to have a monster 'ute', capable of 0 - 100 in 5 seconds.
Using that kind of power would surely destroy whatever it is you're towing. But then, I'm not an "EXPERT".
WHAT. Forever you have been telling us not to be the guinea pig to the Chinese brands.
It's practically a new toy for John to play with. For big boys.
Did you not listen to the whole video?
@@theairstig9164 Yes I did. John did say things might not go well. It was more the shock of watching John for years and always saying never ever be the test person.
Another issue worth considering is: how well will NRMA mechanics be able to work on any broken down BYD Ute?
If you hated Mitsubishi’s “ADAS”, you’ll really loathe BYD’s.
Love the shirt! Hehehe… and the comments, as usual.
So I’m hearing that you would be happy to be the lab rat in this mad experiment? For both an untried and tested product as well as a relatively new brand to Aussie shores - are you really happy to bet your own $70grand on it? You can see how this looks like a huge vote of confidence in the whole offering, quite contrary to your usual advice.
I'd wait a little - but it looks GOOD.
the lease on my wrangler is almost up and have been looking at utes, this might fit the bill.
What would make more sense would be a simple combustion engine truck that doesn't have to carry around a heavy battery and motor. Hybrids sound good until you calculate the price difference vs the cost of the gas they claim to save. You will never save enough gas to cover the price difference and that is before you include the interest on the loan for the higher price of the hybrid.
That higher price is also proportional to the cost of the materials to build it, so the additional materials also take more energy to process and build into the vehicle than the energy they save in gas.
Maybe they should build a vehicle which uses the engine to just turn a generator to power the electric motors, and nevermind all this heavy expensive dangerous battery stuff.
@@markh.6687 something, something, thermodynamics,. Losses and stuff. The only thing that makes hybrids more efficient is that they recover braking and downhill energy and put it in a battery. If you eliminate the battery, you are pointlessly carrying extra weight.
@@michaellowe3665 The battery is more extra weight than my idea is. See also diesel-electric locomotives using the diesel to turn a generator to power the electric traction motors turning the wheels. Only batteries onboard are to start the thing and some accessory power needs.
@@markh.6687 yes, the battery adds more weight, but it actually does something. It stores the energy from braking and rolling downhill that would otherwise be wasted to heat up the brakes. If you just have a generator and motor, you gain nothing over just having a motor. In fact you lose energy in the generator and the wiring to the motor.
The reason they do this in trains is to simplify the drive train and make it more serviceable. They don't have to run driveshafts and clutches to each wheel and it helps with launching torque. You can't just throw a massive train into gear without breaking something. The electric motors can start slower. Your car doesn't need this. A clutch or torque converter can handle it.
Thanks for doing this video John. I’ve been following this vehicle for a while now and It’s somewhat reassuring that you have an interest in it also.
What I’d really like to understand better is the 4x4 functionality. As far as I can tell it does not have physical diff locks but does have the capability to calculate traction and send power where it is needed accordingly and incredibly fast (in theory) does this negate the need for a diff lock? are there any potential problems that could come of that?
Better have a very substantial bash guard under the battery or it might Burn your driveway!
Your first time using that 4wd, you'll have to replace battery cause you dinged it.
The battery is built into the chassis. it’s an interesting setup. Not sure what that means for replacement.
@clintcalleja6051 that's the case with their BEV, not sure about the Hybrids from BYD since the battery is much smaller.
BYD blade batteries don't burn. They are LFP batteries.
yeah, because your brain is that fried. literally lower chance of burning than tesla or gas cars, but who's a burnt brain to comprehend?
Hey if that thing is reliable that’s a killer , hybrids are terrific and if that thing does what’s on the brochure that’s something we’d buy
I thought it was Burn Your Dealership given all the buildings going up in smoke in (ch)gina.
Jesus Christ you go to r/CarsAustralia and they get dirty at the idea their BYDs might have electric chairs for driver seats
They are coming and they are gonna dominate your market. Whether you like it or not. Cope bruh.
Mercedes Had four accidents in three months burning down dealership. Also they just burned two hundred vehicles in a parking lot in South Korea.
John, You are like Kamila Harris passing as many people off as you can especially those conservative ones. Good on you, love it.
I think I'd give it a few years to see if they are as tragically unreliable as I expect.
In God we trust, all others bring data.
Show me the 3 year breakdown rate.
Why would you expect that.
There's zero evidence for either scenario.
@@marchowe1629 Because I am cynical about unproven brands.
@@intrusivethought I'll let brave / stupid people (early adopters) generate the data and then I'll be able to make an informed decision about whether to make a major fiscal commitment to what is as yet an unproven brand.
Someone had to be the first person to test a parachute. God bless them and all that.
@@johnwade1095 You don't think BYD has a track record in terms of domestic sales, exports, as well as the backing of Berkshire Hathaway? Cynicism would not automatically conclude that an unproven brand is tragically unreliable. It would look at other factors, instead of leaping to uninformed speculation.
Was looking at a pajero.
This is tempting as my wife's hybrid lexus is brilliant.
For those who dont get it, it's an electric vehicle from the ground up with motors front and rear, the engine is basically a generator that comes on when the battery is getting low and recharges it, it isn't connected to any transmission or shafts etc, it's purely a geenrator and does not drive the Shark at any time and is almost silent when in operation .
This is a very impressive and ground breaking pickup. Check oit fast lane truck review on it, they were almost speechless.
I'd get one, but unfortunately, it's about 100mm longer than my garage is.
My hope would be that it's so popular that it drives the price of other utes down a bit.
Just buy it anyway then complain on the internet afterwards like that knucklehead did with his CT
If the cheap arse lease deals are still on when this comes out I’ll give it a go. As for ev’s, we’ve got an EV………. once it hits 65000 km we’ve pulled $10000 of free power from our solar. This is a no brainer for me. We also run a Jeep HEMI and Suzuki Jimny, the world is moving on though. Might keep the HEMI for the save the world uni protesters
Burn Your Dollars?
That's Jerome and Janet's job; of which they're doing mighty fine work.
Bite your dome?
Burying your dignity
I'm a tofu burger eating, oat latte drinking, lefty vegan and I will be buying one of these 😊
I like turtles 🐢 not turtle soup
My main question is: will it be FBT exempt?
These EV Ute's make no rational sense if you are a tradie. Poor tow performance, excessive premium on price, huge depreciation risk. You could buy a second hand ute for 50K and sell 25K after 5 years and 150k. Good luck with one of these. The running costs aren't that big of a deal. F150 lighting claims $2 per 100km. For a diesel use that saves you $14. But if you paid 30k premium on the EV you will have to cover over 200k kms to break even. While you do those kms you probably burn through more tyres as EVs do with their torque delivery
This vehicle is a Hybrid, not strictly an EV. Just like the ones Hilux make. Totally different concept and your arguments against don’t apply. Modern diesels are shit, I’m surprised they can still sell them.
I dunno depends on the tradie - having a 240v outlet for sites without power for example could be damn handy.
If you're doing heaps towing then sure, doesn't make much sense but for many tradies it's a case of drive to site, spend the day working with the car sitting on the verge, then drive home.
Only time will tell...
I won’t touch BYD while they are distributed by AP Eagers. The worst warranty in living memory, parts and tech support likely to fall short. BYD need a factory operation in Australia.
Thanks for responding to my email about the BYD Shark, it’s given me a fair bit to think about, and I was surprised to see you did a video so quickly!
You convinced me to look into it - thank you for kicking this off. It's a very interesting vehicle.
Good one. Should be an interesting arrival. Makes a lot more sense than pure EV in this category.
You said the high end model navara’s have independent rear suspension?? No it doesn’t lol, it’s its got coil springs but it’s not independent, the Nissan patrol is ifs front and rear though.
Hi John, my concern with the byd ute would be bottoming out the battery on a rut causing the shiney new shit hauler to detour along the z-axis 🥴 … Think i’ll wait for a few real world reviews
I will be seriously looking at this and trading my 2021 v6 amarok for one