The car industry is lying to you… (Part 1) Feat. John Cadogan
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Something a bit different... We sit down with John Cadogan from Auto Expert to chat about the car industry's tenuous grasp on the truth when it comes to certain things. This was a very fun chat and you should definitely check out the second half of the chat over on John's channel. Enjoy!
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00:00 - Intro
00:16 - Countries of origin
06:48 - Used car warranties
10:14 - Retaining a new car warranty
12:10 - Dealership servicing
17:46 - Car longevity
18:37 - Environmentalism
25:05 - EVs
30:49 - Recycling
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Nothing better than 3 Aussie blokes sitting in a room full of Porsches telling the truth about the car industry. The story about the lady with the MG is a belter 🙂
I sell them but I do always say exactly where MG is made now, they're bang for buck new cars
@@clarencesilvia3863 Is that why they're so damn F* ugly?
My experience with non dealer mechanics is that they are just oil changers. When they say log book service, which should take 3 hours and they do it in 30 mins, are bull shitters
@@alexalechna6766 I think you have been going to the wrong mechanics. When you find a mechanic like Redriven's Jim Hull you will understand the difference.
@@alexalechna6766 Don't brand all Mechanics as Bullshitters because of your poor decisions.
I've got a good one for you and I'm happy to name and shame ha - Northshore VW (also tried Bill Buckle VW Brookvale and had the same response). I bought a T6 Transporter - shortly after purchase i realised there was a recall for leaking rocker cover gasket. Took it to Northshore VW approx 2 after purchase to replace rocker cover gasket. Upon receiving the car back there was a very strong smell of diesel. On inspection there was a very large diesel leak on the top of block around fuel lines above injectors. Immediately took the car back. 6 weeks later i was told all 4 injectors had failed and I would need to pay $4.5k - at my own cost - not covered under warranty. Car had less than 1000kms on it, and had driven less than 20kms since the rocker cover gasket was replaced by the dealer. VW told me they had not touched the fuel system when doing the rocker cover and insisted that, no, miraculously, all 4 injectors had failed. NOT true, as in order to remove the rocker cover, the fuel lines and injectors MUST be removed (the fuel lines are also designated single use by VW and are supposed to be replaced with new ones once removed). After nearly 5 months, and legal action, Northshore VW finally conceded (although never admitted liability) and fixed under 'good will'. The entire time was left carless and never offered a replacement/loan car. Fun times.
😢 yooh!
Thanks for sharing
SOP at a stealership.
That’s a shocker. Glad you persisted.
You mean the VW in Artarmon?
Finally an adult conversation(s) about the car industry in Australia & the world. I really enjoyed this two part series from the Redriven team and John.
Only Australia hasn't got an car industry, it only got imports cars sales industries. But I fully agree with these guys.The whole car manufacturing industry,all of them is helbend to fleece you the end user. They want you to buy a new vehicle ever 3 years,or with every midlife updates.With a few thousand dollars added.
Back a while ago I came into a large sum of money where I could walk into a dealership and buy a new car outright with cash. In the end I bought a privately owned 15 year old secondhand car in really good nick.
Wise choice.
Used your brain
Me too. I have the money to buy ANY car for cash I want. I still drive my 20 year old Jeep because the new ones are crap.
Once worked at a dealer as an apprentice mechanic and later on I as their IT person.
The front desk service team would get a commission for upselling customers on service items, and none of them had any mechanical background.
Astonishing how many power steering fluid flushes would be sold at that place... when 80% of the cars sold had electric power steering...
When I was an advisor for a major manufacturer, the upsells I got a commission on came from the service tech - who also received a commission, I at least had enough knowledge to know when a bullshit recommendation was bullshit.
Got a call in 2000 from the dealership after dropping my car for a service (20,000km) - upsell for power steering fluid flush, and fuel injection cleaning. Car was 18 months old. Told them to go ahead and replace the power steering fluid ...if they could find it (hint - it had no power steering, and car was purchased new from that dealer).
Thank you Adam and Jim.
Most aspects of the auto/ fuel industri is big money and riddled with lies and falsehood, we. ( most of us ) have known this for a very long time.
However I don't think that your channel is helped by inviting a person filled to the brim with self prophesies and simple opinions.
Your take and "opinion" on things is rather more hinged in reality, and watchable.
"There are two ways to be fooled.
One is to believe what isn't true: the other is to refuse to believe what is true."
I know of someone who purchased a car from a well-known dealer and took their car back there to be serviced, because most people think that their car will be in the best hands doing that, and when they came to collect their car and started it up, the engine made all sorts of terrible noises. They went back to the service department and explained the situation and they drove the car back to the workshop and 10 minutes later came back and said they couldn't find anything wrong. The car ran normally now. The dealership did not admit to doing anything wrong, BUT WHAT HAPPENED is that when they drained the oil, they FORGOT to put new oil in it. So when they took it back to the workshop for 10 minutes, all they did was put new oil in and it sounded and ran normally BUT WOULD NOT ADMIT TO FORGETTING TO PUT OIL IN IT. The car was only 12 months old and the engine was probably F**** because of what they did. BUT remember, take your new car back to the dealer for servicing because they are the best, most well-trained technicians to work on your new car.
That's why when ever I pick up my car from a service, the first thing I do is open the bonnet and pull the dipstick and check that there is oil in there and at the right level before I even start the engine and drive off. Have heard of a few horror stories like the one you mentioned.
@@hilbert3506I had my A-class in for transmission work at the dealership. Picked it up from the dealership and when driving down the road I went to wash the windscreen (vehicle wasn’t washed on handover)… and nothing happened, not even the noise of the pump.
So I pulled into the nearest Servo to refill the washer bottle and on popping the hood, the washer bottle and the plastic covers were missing, the RHS headlight not fitted correctly and a rag left stuffed in beside the engine with a $nap-on wrench on top!!!
The wrench got hidden😜… and I drove back to the dealer to question where the other half of my engine bay was!!!
I used to work a service station in the early 80’s. one of our regular customers had a Sigma.
The engine in it wasn’t very healthy. I was told that it had been driven about 10km from the dealer without any engine oil.
Permanent damage had been done but obviously had not shown up until after the warranty had expired.
We always double checked when we serviced a car.
Worst thing we ever did was “filled” the sump with its plug out. That gets noticed pretty quickly 😊
Five minutes in, I'm hooked to this collaboration. Writing from California, please tell me that this won't be the last ❤.
Potentially not! But nevertheless, part 2 is over on John’s channel
@@ReDrivenYou guys are…the best!
@@ReDriven Hi just wondering if you could cover the topic of Geo fencing that has popped up in the uk and .I think it required one of the manufacturers refunded the car . ,Pray to God literally might get linked to the digital I'd Bill just passed in the land of OZ .
That poor lady who missed the memo... MG now stands for Mao's Garage
😁😁😁
Your cookie, sir. 🍪
Agree completely - the number of people ive spoken to who think they've bought a "UK" brand is hilarious. But to be fair, given how truly awful the UK car industry was, I think the people buying a current MG have actually had a win!
Them Strange Rover owners also think they are driving British!!
@@user-ij5uz5dm5j Yeah - I almost feel sorry for them. Almost... 😁
I've had the dealership not torque my front wheel lug nuts and had the wheel wobbling loose on the M4... that was enough for me to learn how to service the car myself.
Hello Oz! Mmmerica here. So much good stuff here in this 2 part series but the point that really yanks my chain is the concept of obsolescence and constantly trading in for an increasingly expensive replacement. I bought new in 1992 a Ford F150 5.8L V-8 truck for $18,600 OTD and I’m still driving it 270,000 miles later. Over the near quarter century I’ve owned it, I’ve replaced a radiator, 2 alternators, 2 sets of brakes, 3 sets of tires and just recently finally rebuilt the starter and replaced the solenoid out of shame. Engine and tranny are original and both have had regular fluid service. It’ll be a classic soon!
it's already a classic by definition. Classic cars are any cars that're over 30 years old.
"Near quarter of a century"!?!? It's 2024!! That is 32 YEARS!!! Awesome work Paul! Awesome!!
Well done mate. Look after her and she’ll look after you.
The point many struggle with in understanding the behaviour of large corporates is that their primary responsibility is not actually to the customer, but to the shareholder, as short-sighted as that might first appear to be. Customers are the means to the end of meeting shareholder expectations, but in the choice between customer and shareholder satisfaction, shareholders win.
Very true.
@yogibarista2818 just like most/all public companies , bet you can't think of any without shareholders !
Some people do realise this, and look for ways to avoid them. Others boast of how they enjoy being called ‘Sir’ as they are being shafted.
True an it is one of the reasons to why society is going to shit. Get rid of big business an get rid of shareholders
What the company boards don’t understand is is that the shareholders should be behind the customer and the staff in importance.
If all the customers disappeared at once the company would bleed to death over a short time. If all the employees disappeared at one the company would instantly be in trouble.
If however all the shareholders disappeared at once meh the shares would still be there.
I agree with everything you say about service intervals. I run an independent service and repair shop specialising in European vehicles. We see 3 to 5 year old cars with "dealer" service histories which need thousands of $ spending on them to fix issues. Brake fluid and coolant, never flushed and changed, 24,000 km oil changes leading to sludge, coked up inlet manifolds and throttle bodies. We recommend servicing every 6 months or 10,000kms. It might seem excessive but its what we do to all of our own loan fleet comprising a dozen cars, all of which are between 100,000 and 230,000km and between 9 and 12 years old and none of which gives us any trouble.
What brand is your fleet?
@@andrewdrinkwater7743Toyota??
Question - when you say 6 months or 10,000km which does that mean if I only drive 5-7k km a year?
@@xXYellie12Xx 6 months
@@xXYellie12Xx If it's driving short distance, stop start, I'd change my oil every six months regardless. Your call though if you do it twelve months. Importantly, make sure you use a good quality synthetic oil with the correct viscosity.
Yep. years ago I worked for an Organisation that kept using lots of Vauxhall products. I asked why and was told it was because it was part of the UK Government and they had to buy British. The car was being fixed, so I pointed to the plate under the bonnet where it says it was made overseas "oh, but it's a british company" - Vauxhall at the time was owned by General Motors. So it's an American car made in Spain (I think - this was 2 decades ago). If we'd been using Hondas (Swindon), Nissans (Sunderland) or Toyotas (Burnaston) they're have been providing more British jobs as all those cars are actually made here - even if they DO have Japanese brands. Oh. And we wouldn't have been having the conversation anyway as those cars wouldn't have required me to talk to the motorpool about the vehicle quite so regularly as this "british" Vauxhall did.
Enjoyed the podcast, good to see another collab with JC.
And on the first topic, MG actually write "since 1924" on their stuff - if that's not misleading I don't know what is...
Misleading, perhaps. Are car companies lying in this regard as these guys suggest? No.
@@54FLEX45 you can buy an MG with a Union Jack on the roof. And Minis have the Union Jack concealed in their tail lights. That's dishonest.
And do you think the average Q7 driver would feel as good about their $100k Audi if they knew it was made in Slovakia not Germany?
Anybody can go on the internet, and everybody does right? Up to you to believe what you want or go a bit deeper towards the truth.
@@mahcooharper9577How is it dishonest? It's a British brand made im China.
@@paulklp8262how is it a British brand these days exactly ?
As a consumer I’m fed up to the back teeth with being scammed and ripped off!
Profit is not a dirty word.
Then stop calling yourself a consumer and treat yourself as a self respecting customer. The kind that doesn’t buy into bullshit because it’s new and marketed up the ass creek
If you will reply with what are we to do, but nothing? My prepared answer is yes, boycott them all until they make a proper good durable product
I was telling my father when he bought a new Holden trax ..."u got a Korean car (Daewoo) dad"....and he thought it was made in Australia 😂
Same thing with a lady years ago who bought a brand new Holden Viva. She was going around telling people how proud she was to buy an Australian car lol. A few of us pointed out that her car was in fact a rebadged Daewoo that was built in Korea but she wouldn’t believe us, citing ‘The Holden badge on the back’.
As a Hyundai tech on the Northside of Brisbane, I agree that a lot of what is said here is correct.
However, I will say we can recommend customers change their cabin filter etc, but half the time they say no, even if it is completely full of dirt and leaves and all we can do is try to dust it out for them.
We also have a qualified technician who is our Quality Controller and all he does is check our work when we finish the service to ensure everything is correct, right down to the service sticker.
Not all dealerships are the same.
Also it is getting incredibly hard to find and keep good, experienced technicians when here in Queensland you make two to three times as much money driving a coal truck in an open cut coal mine than working in a dealership. I know because I was making way more back in 2012 when I worked at Peak Downs coal mine driving a coal truck.
There's a lot of fat to be trimmed in the industry when coal price tanks. Queensland is in trouble when that happens
@@nithianathan7962....coal is used in the manufacturing of solar panels. So the enviro guys will need to face the reality that coal is still going to be dug up.
I enjoyed this podcast style video of just some blokes talking about cars, good to have John on too! Keep it up ReDriven you guys are doing a great job.
I'm not one for podcasts normally. But I found this informative and entertaining. Great work boys. 👍
Cheers for watching!
This is just brilliant Adam! You and Jim are some of my favourite and REAL motoring journalists now along with John. To see you all together chatting really is a big big deal to me! Amazing. You should also invite Simon (MGuy Australia) to join and create a real powerhouse of proper motoring and engineering common sense! I remember really ruining someone’s day who were showing off in their new Mercedes C-class and how it was German Engineering at it’s finest. I pointed out that actually his car was South African - made in Port Elizabeth. He didn’t believe me until I pointed out the VIN sticker where it clearly said ‘made in South Africa’ 😂 The look of disappointment and his reaction of anger was absolutely hilarious 😆
Fabulous video.
I once bought a used car warranty on a $6000 AU Ghia 12 years ago. To my surprise the gearbox went a few months after purchase & was fully repaired by a local mechanic paid by the warranty company.
That truly is impressive.
Unfortunately this is the world we live in where people are willing to sell their integrity for a dollar.
Car makers?
Including yourself? 😅
Excellent. Very spot on, informative and straight to the chase. Have a 17 yo Barra and a 19 yo Accord Euro. They will see me out.
Love these type of videos. Thanks ReDriven
This kind of content is really cool and definitely something you should do more of. I wish the public at large were better clued in about this stuff. The MG thing is fascinating.
Loving this video! Came from John's channel, new here. Just paused @22:00 Just to say my Corolla Sportivo Hatch is still going strong & is my daily everything car & it's about to hit 300,000 Km's Built in 2003. I service most of it myself & take it to a family friends mechanic when required. A car well looked after will last a long time. Cheers.
I service all my cars - 6 month oil changes for everyone - one Camry 7 years old, Falcon 20 Yr old, Fairmont 53 year Old - all get filters and new oil weather driven hard or not!!! We did the same on the farm when I was a kid - regular oil changes for every tractor truck car!!! SO - they all lasted thousands of hours or 100 000's kilometers!!
Same here...I have a 2009 Ford Fiesta shopping trolley with 320000km on the clock. Not a single mechanical failure.
My Tesla will never need a service, and will last for 750,000 miles.
@@maxflight777You wish 😂
Thank euro standards for the extra long service intervals. It has zero to do with service costs, it’s 100% to do with Euro standards, as the disposal of oil contributes to a bigger hit against meeting Euro 7 etc.
Exactly it's one of the reasons for lifetime fill zf gearboxes. During the first few years of a cars life you don't take the made up environment penalty of waste oil. Zf requests you change oil in. These boxes.
He is right on the BS re recycling and plastics. My wife has done the deep dive on this a few yrs ago and all true.
Yeah, it really hurt finding out that one in 2021, about 30 years after I began "recycling"...What a waste!
The stars have aligned. Now if you could fly Scotty Kilmer in to have a chat!!
Didn’t you hear? Scotty died, 7 times. Rip 😢
The king of clickbaiting
Scotty: "Don't buy Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Range Rover, Audi, Kia........" 😅
@@X9Z17 oh and he's leaving where he's living every week too.
@@X9Z17damn you had me for a moment there, had to google it
I do this myself. I tell Americans that "I went to school in Cambridge" and let them believe I went to Cambridge University.
I also have a theoretical degree in physics
Yeah like getting a BSc- bronze swimming certificate
I read law at Oxford.
It was on the wall of the Westgate shopping centre, next to the words "Stuff the".....
Most Americans think it’s possible to drive to London from the US mainland
Breaking!
Pregnant man tells all to the ladies regarding pregnancy and motherhood, because he can.
Later in the show he cries and feels marginalised, threatened and not as relevant as desired.
The fact filled and researched spotlight show is delivered in a relaxed atmosphere of hypocrisy and megalomania, it is a must see of course. 5🌟
Cheers!
Speaking of cabin filters, i discovered the Toyota dealer had not re placed my cabin filter as per log book service and stated on the invoice. I complained to the manager who offered my next service free. Low and behold my next service was a major costing $1k 😂
I was considering selling my 2012 VE, but thank god I haven't .I will keep it until the wheels fall off.
outstanding couldn't get a better bloke to sift bs than John C, would like to see more of it, congrats on great discussions! 🤘
I'm very happy that John talked about the environmental pollution aspect of cars, and their technological progress. It's tough being someone who studies and works in environmental science/management and also enjoys cars, because many enthusiasts are hell-bent on not understanding the wider picture of why regulations and emission controls are important. It's also great that vehicle longevity was mentioned, as I feel like many people are way too caught up in a cycle of consumerism. I drive a 14-year old car and I hope it lasts at least a decade more - no oil leaks so far, so fingers crossed!
Most 'enthusiasts' base their entire personalities around their cars because they have achieved nothing of substance in their lives. It's kinda sad, but their lack of intellect is infuriating.
@@paulklp8262car enthusiast here. Less cars on the road means more road and fuel for people who actually need to drive or who enjoy driving to use. That’s entirely the point of sustainability, making the resources we have last longer. It’s why I’m a massive public transit advocate despite my interest in cars
@@paulklp8262Thanks Einswine. What a lot of generalisation from a self-appointed expert on human behaviour. You are a bigot. Go away now!!
@@rtmpgt Exactly! Imagine seeing bumper-to-bumper traffic, 99% of people who don't want to be there, and thinking that's a good thing. If I had to drive to work in the city every time... I see why people would want to get a Tesla and just auto-pilot their way around.
Great commentary. I'd love a car that you can maintain for 30 years. Like we used to have 20 years ago. Scared to buy a new car now because after 7 years they're a throwaway.
Same here
This was so good, so many people should be hearing this. Please do more of these episodes in the future!
Nothing better than three genuine dudes having a respectful and reasonably accurate chat about some pretty important topics. Wasn't sure what to expect going into this one but it was great (from an environmental scientist)
Very few cars are built to last 30 years. The W123 Benz and the Lexus LS430 are two that spring to mind…
My GS/Aristo is 21 and going strong!
My 2009 Smart ForTwo diesel is 15 years old so its halfway there. 😊
E39 5 series 250k and 23 years old. Do all servicing myself had it for half its life. 6 month oil changes and stay on top of all the brittle plastics in the cooling system
My Hilux is 24 years old, still see plenty about. Like a mates LandCruiser. Toyota won't be making those 'mistakes' again.
@@BooF308 We have a couple of old Hiluxes in my family. Brilliant and indestructible.
You 3 guys should also be part of Top Gear Australia, mates ❤
No, they would better not be part of that franchise.
Top gear died a decade ago
I mean even as a guest or something.
Such a good episode. Main dealers that video the inspection and share that content with you is a good initiative to show that they’re actually doing the work.
Great presentation. Enlightening and entertaining all in the one package. Now subscribed.
John introduced me to your channel. He is one person who I respect in the car industry, based on his knowledge and experience.
You have a new subscriber!
Great video.
Welcome aboard mate!
Interesting debate from a great car channel.
I can start by saying that I have multiple cars, all different fuels and number of different cylinder numbers.
Been around two and four wheel transportation all my life, both as a necessity and hobby.
I'm also a scientist and a follower of agnosticism over any religious or otherwise entitled beliefs for personal gratification.
I do find some of my friends and others in the car community wilfully ignorant or misleading when speaking about environmental or climate impacts from human activity.
One should not conflict personal interest/entitlements or beliefs with facts in debating scientific matters, there are unfortunately too many places/forums where those take place already.
And also, there is no zero sum argument between Ev and Fossil fuel cars, just lower the argument bar even further.
However, to paraphrase an important aspect of all ( car ) manufacturing and why we don't have things lasting forever anymore...... It's the economy stupid!
On some of John Cadogan's somewhat sweeping and in some aspect false statements.
There is never a justification to spread misinformation because you don't have or understand certain information, no level of disagreement or opposition justify false information.
Secondly, it was and is not the main aspect of low emissions to curb lung cancer.
It wasn't the car or even oil industri who came up with the cleaner fuel burn policy, on the contrary they fought it all along, remember when lead was going to be faced out from petrol?
There are plentiful books and readings about that subject alone.
Thirdly, the environment is not one dimension only.
There is not the same comparing an EV power plant with a combustion one, so an " batteries are very dirty too" , or " what about all the child labour in the African mines" argument is a fallacy at best.
All manufacturing requires some sort of resources or materials, there is a scientific rather than a religious aspect why we need to curb the use of fossil fuels, that alone will not save the environment or the finite resources on the planet, and no credible person will/have claimed that.
But if we want apparatus transportation devices in every home? we have to change a tiny bit.
Uncomfortable for some but hardly noticeable for the purpose of transportation for the majority.
Change is mostly a mind alteration
Cheers
Yea I agree. John generally gets little knuckles of negative information and chews on them far too ferousously. Some of his points are good, but others are really poorly researched or not considering the bigger picture. Working out the science takes a bit of effort. Most people, including John, can’t be bothered.
@@jamyshawThat's right mate.
After I wrote above message I looked ( with alarm ) at John Cadigan's own TH-cam channel.
I can now conclude that I was far too generous and kind in my remarks regarding his......, let's call them personal views on things.
It looks like a fusion between MAGA and Pauline Hanson fact land if anything.
I am always very baffled at why there is so much cemented views regarding environment, medical science etc etc, based on the absolut flimsiest of hearsay and personal opinions and presented as facts?
Any decent person can/ will have questions or opinions on a great deal of topics, but would be mature or humble enough to admit shortcomings of facts or details on the subject.
Unfortunately people like John Cadogan is not only unhelpful, confusing and demoralising but also outright dangerous for a growing number of people who find fact checking to "boring" or "time consuming".
I'm very surprised at Adam and Jim with their Redriven channel having a cross promotion with this sort of person.
Reflects bad on them that any thinking person out there wanting to view, listening or educate themselves regarding cars in general is getting a scoop of BS.
Just watched Part 1 & 2, brilliant discussion and great advice!!!
Watched the other part, what a breath of fresh air, literally. The marketing BS is killing me recently…
i had someone at work who bought an MG under the exact same assumption, she was shocked when i told her (and showed her the google results) it was now chinese
The funny thing is that they thought being British manufactured was a good thing!
@@bradnewman8498 Indeed. Marketing goes way back.
The chinese were thinking: "We will build the best british car the brits have ever seen with our chinese quality!"
Excellent……No BS content 🙏🏽
Great one gentlemen, this is one thing that is overlooked and the effects thereof is huge. This goes even to how they are allowed to give information about fuel consumption of the vehicles which is never archived in real driving and so is their towing capacities and payloads vs the actual capabilities of the vehicle. I love your insights, keep the good work up.
Because "Real driving" is different from person to person. Some people have feet mate of feathers, some have feet made of lead. Hence the standardised tests.
I know it's not an available option for everyone, but you're exposing exactly why I never, ever, put my car in a garage for any servicing...or for any other reason. I have 3 cars, 20 yrs old each and running fine and still going strong.
Great video gentlemen.
I'm a tow truck driver, Volkswagen and Land Rover are very popular up here around Byron Bay. And yeah, those things keep the wheels turning a lot.
Meanwhile I'm having our 6yo diesel Kia serviced at 6mo/7500km because if you bother to read the caveats in the handbook, that's what you're supposed to do.
You guys now have 1 more new subscriber.
Same with my Mitsubishi, 12 months and 15000klms is far too long and even decent synthetic oils are breaking down by 8 to 10000klms and are full of contamination.
This interview makes me so happy I bought a Tesla. It’s well known where Teslas are made - Fremont, Texas, Berlin or Shanghai depending on which part of the world you are.
No servicing for the first 4-5 years and no dealerships to suck your money away.
My previous cars start feeling old once they hit 100,000km, but for an EV it’s just par for the course and you don’t notice their age.
Charging from solar means NO combustion, not even remote combustion (alright - maybe at the Sun) And the slightly more emissions used to make them are recovered within the first 2 years, thereafter being totally emissions free.
People are always going to be buying new cars anyway so it might as well be an EV. Not the solution, but at least better than the alternative which was what got us into the mess in the first place.
Were your solar panels made with renewable energy?
What about your batteries?
What about your car's mineral mining?
No such thing as a free lunch ;)
Gotta start somewhere. At the very least I’m not giving those dastardly oil barons any more of my money. Who are incidentally the ones funding fake news about how “BAD” renewable energy or EVs are.
The worst thing to do is absolutely nothing and just keep burning the planet.
You forgot to mention how the rare earth minerals for the battery are mined and the appalling conditions for the people working in the mines are.
@@mikeandhevunlike the dream lifestyle enjoyed in the Middle East sandbox clusterf*** egged on by western oil interests….
@@mikeandhevNo rare earth elements in ANY battery. And no cobalt or nickel in any LFP battery
Wifes car had a mandatory Takata airbag recall. Asked if I could do it myself to avoid the stealership (A:no), so took it to VW (Lismore NSW). They did the job & a sometime later wife is complaining about random stalling when slowing down at intersections. I changed fuel filter, scanned for codes, asked my favourite independant to look at it - no idea. Then one day I noticed the upshift paddle didn't work. Pulled air bag out to find they'd crushed the wires when doing the recall & randomly the car was trying to upshift when slowing down (hence the stalling). >12 months of my wife ear bashing me about the car misbehaving bcause the d!ck$ couldn't do a simple job properly. I fixed it myself with 2nd hand parts.
Brilliant! Thx guys!
Re: car manufacturing. Where the car is made/assembled often does make a substantive difference, even though many of the parts are multi-national. At the end of the day, the thoroughness of quality control reflects national strengths and weaknesses. You can see the quality difference in a Mercedes made in Mexico, vs one made in Germany. The Mazda's made in Japan are noticeably better than those made in Thailand.
That can work the other way too, I have a Ford Focus made in Thailand that has been faultless compared to the German made Focus that the Brits get, at least going by the endless dramas they have on forums.
@@somat111 You are absolutely right.
How does quality control reflect a country? Quality control of a product is managed by the company! The company has total control over what employees are expected to do.
It's total racist bullshit to blame that on a country and its people.
When a Mercedes from Mexico is worse, Mercedes wants it to be worse. They could just fly someone over to say: "Nope, not good enough, that won't hit the road, train the staff, do it better."
@@miskatonic6210 No racism ... dude... just a simple statement of fact. A country's prevailing culture has an impact on quality. For example... the Australian car industry no longer exists, because .... quite simply... we made cr*p cars. Even when they were designed well... they were made badly. The same goes for the UK. Japanese cars made in Japan are noticeably better than those made elsewhere.
I've been awaiting this collaboration for a while.
Thank you all involved.
I was fortunate in buying a second hand vehicle from a small Used-car Dealer who offered Third-party Used-car Warranty, which I researched well before purchase.
I negotiated to include a higher level of Warranty in the price, as the next level included cover for not just the basic "engine & drivetrain" but also the vehicle "running electronics" and a 3-year Warranty period.
The vehicle was then serviced at Specialist Third-party Workshops since purchase in 2014. The Bosch Alternator and the Ignition Control Module both failed around the same time, and within the Warranty Period. The Warranty Company paid for BOTH items, their fault diagnosis and the fitting of new components at around $800+ each without any arguments.
So there are some Reputable Third-party Warranties available, and the only "catch" to me was the requirement to have the vehicle "serviced (Oil & Oil Filter change) " and check at a Licensed Mechanic at 10k intervals instead of the factory 15k interval.
So $1600+ that didn't come out of my pocket. Moral of the story as usual - DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
Genius move splitting the two parts between channels to keep the algos happy. Great insight as well.
Pretty appalling all these tosspots in the comment section throwing a tanty because somebody they don’t like is on the channel. Always great to have discussions, especially with people you don’t always agree with.
Brilliant fellas - more with the grumpy old uncle please.
Awesome interview, really enjoyed it (on both channels).
Great collaboration with John, much appreciated
Im with jim here my workshop is a bit of a mitsubishi specialist and the amount of full dealer serviced cars i see where the customer has been paying for valve adjustments and tbe dealers managed to perfectly aling the pain marks on every bolt each time.
My Diesel Outlander has just on 130000klms on it and has never had a valve adjustment, my choice. It's a little tappet rattly at cold start, very minor, but no issue when warm, sure, it's overdue but I don't trust dealerships to do it as loose valves don't cause problems like tight valves do. The Stealership says they're checked and adjusted if needed every 60000klms and they had kittens when mine hadn't been touched, then I forked out $1000 for an oil change service and transmission fluid replacement. They told me my tappets didn't need adjusting as they were not noisy at 120000klms. LOL, another money extracting scam.
Damn sick podcast!
John is 100% correct on the recycling info. Totally. I've worked in the industry.
Love these discussions. Super informative.
I’m not a fan of John, However I thoroughly enjoyed watching this !
Well done 👍.
Did he step on your rainbow 🌈 painted toes🤣🤣🤣
@@horsehead8306 😂😂😂
geeez . . . Cadogan is becoming a bit of a unit ! 💪
Knowing someone that works at a recycling centre the amount of recyclables that they've had to let go through they've told us about is ridiculous all because the customer only wants x product.
As Hullsy and John pointed out they do shred the cars to seperate steel and other non ferrous metal from the rest of the materials but outside of that while cars are technically the most recycled consumer product in the world it has 2 of the hardest to recycle products from they auto industry or in general industries; lithium ion batteries as John said and tyres.
Hopefully having guys like yourselves and John pulling back the curtain on the auto industry and getting more eyes on the problem stirs the government into implementing reforms to force the industry to clean its act up outside of EVs (but highly unlikely I know).
Enjoyable and thought provoking video guys and look forward to next week's videos as per usual 👍
That is why, for one, I am always surprised to see cars go into a crusher with the wheels still attached.
@@johnstaring3210 when they go in like that the steel belting from the tyres gets removed by the magnets
Many years ago I knew someone who booked a Holden Viva because they once had a Holden Gemini and really liked it!!
Thankfully they returned it to the dealer
John needs some life advice regarding health and nutrition . I can help and will hit him up on the website for THAT
I drive a Ute with a German badge, built in Thailand,Japanese design engineering and French engine….anyone buying on badge image is a special kind of stupid…but I guess that’s how the world rolls these days.
Me..:I knew what it was as going into it..:I brought on price because they weren’t selling to those who look no further than hilux or Ranger
X-class?
I have been saving this video to watch it with full concentration - my two favorite Aussie automotive channels
Watched both episodes, best of both worlds and best episodes ever. Drive my Corolla bought new in 2004, still drives like a dream.
Great show and good to see collaboration with John, bloody legends
If you want your car to become a Lemon, use dealer service.. You are much better to find a specialist independent for your type of vehicle..
Yeah, or just find a competent mechanic who can source OEM parts for your car. The dealers still make money selling parts, the mechanics make money by providing good service. Easy as.
Most of the cars you mentioned may be built in other countries, they are still designed in their home countries.
Great info cheers lads
Yessss!! My Fav car guys together.
It is SO refreshing to hear a sensible sensible discussion about the folly of EV’s, particularly against ICE vehicles. Thankyou.
Great video! The point about where cars are made is a good one - like MG is a British car, or at least has a connection to the famous British brand. I've known a guy who had that belief.
On dealer servicing - I NEVER take my car to the dealer; because I do (or did) a lot of my own servicing, and the dealers are usually expensive and not a good standard. In 1975 I bought a brand new Triumph 2500 TC. The dealer I bought it at was pathetic when it came to the workshop. So I wrote to Leyland Australia and asked if the warranty would be honoured if I did my own servicing. Their answer was that, while they preferred me to go to a dealer, the warranty would be honoured provided I didn't do anything wrong - like putting oil in the radiator and water in the sump etc. So Didn't go back to the dealer again.
Co-incidentally, I still have the same car - now a classic club car.
You go on about Australian Consumer Law, I can tell you it's not worth the paper it's written on. It totally relies on the manufacturer doing the right thing. If they say 'No, get stuffed', your only option is to take them to court and no one is going to do that.
I think I'd rather have a Chinese MG instead of a British MG.
At least with an ENGLISH one you can buy every part for it NEW, eg brand new shell
@@MrMightyytau Not that it matters. There's a saying we have in the car community. "If there's no oil under a british car, there's no oil in it"
An EV would suit me 90% of the time...but that other 10% is going away on my holidays and I'm not about to sacrifice that.
Gotta leave that car plugged in when you're away. Especially if it's a Tesla. Those onboard computers just chew power.
You go away on long road trips 36 days a year? Additionally do you NEED to use ‘your’ car for this task?
Australians get about 30 days a year off _by law_ and you better believe we're taking that time off.
@@rtmpgt Australian here, I also get a lot more days than this off. Factor in weekends as well and public holidays… of course we take them off. But then you throw in ‘well I get 4 weeks of annual leave, let’s go to Bali / Europe / Thailand etc and that takes a big lump of them. Fact is, that people drive around in massive ‘do everything’ vehicles for that less than 1% of the time they actually do that thing with them. We ‘obviously’ need the 4x4 family hauling dual cab with 1200km long range tanks that can tow 3.5T (well more if you ask most of these people) to spend 99.9% of their life pushing their way through traffic with 1 person inside. We’ve been conditioned to think this is what we ‘must have’ because we’re so f’ing lifestyle. We’re also dragged through it with ridiculous registration and insurance that means instead of having different vehicles for different purposes or god forbid hire a vehicle for that tiny percentage of time where we need it, we have to have ones that do every-bloody-thing-ever. Because some ad told us how much of a bloody hero / legend we’d be if we did.
@@mattdebyl8806 right? the amount of done up fourbies I see out my way is nuts, they almost never see a campsite or a jobsite, they're fully kitted out just to look tough.
My mrs and I have a tiny little Hyundai Getz at the moment and it does the job we need it to as a grocery getter and as a car to get us to where the trains and buses don't go. We also are thinking of buying an MX5 as a second car to take on roadtrips and so i can barrel around in the hills, and have fun without breaking the speed limit. I think cars need to get way, way smaller and they need to get smaller fast. Where's the sub-1000kg small cars at?
Great podcast guys. As the owner of an Audi S3 I can attest to the in ability of main dealer servicing. I had a windscreen replaced when it was 2 years old. I was told by the windscreen company that it needed a sensor calibrating. Audi did this but then the car would veer sharp left when the lane departure tracking was on. It took 4 trips to the dealer, each time they told they road tested the car. After a couple of days with the car they discovered the geometry was out of alignment. I have not been back to an Audi dealer again and never will.
I love how you spoke about keeping the car you have and have in maintained is less pollution than purchasing the new latest and greatest. My Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ is 24 years old and in near perfect condition, it came optioned up from factory with the 242HD transfer box and LSD locking rear diff which is great for 4x4 driving. I change its oil every 5000 km and the diff and tf case oils every 50,000km. My Model S is 9 years old with still the perfectly working MCU1. With 3G being phased out, Tesla AU advised my only option was to spend $3600 on the MCU2 with the 4G LTE card. But I knew both in the US and EU/UK, there is an option to upgrade the MCI1 modem daughter board. I purchased one from the UK and installed an AU SIM, pulled out my MCU1 and installed the 4G daughter board, now the MCU1 is LTE 4G. I saved money and stopped a perfectly good working MCU1 going to scrap heap.
A lot of MG dealers tell customers it’s a classic British car
Scumbags…
Weirdly, it works and people also seem to forget just how shit British made cars were (at least, for a big period of time).
@@mattdebyl8806 I know this as well! Many won’t listen to their unfortunate detriment.🤣
@@mattdebyl8806 The entire reason why the MX5 exists in the first place is because british small sportscars broke down so much. They drove well, when they worked. But take that idea and put a japanese engine in 'em? absolute perfection.
@@rtmpgt and (just going back to this video) the MX5 was created in California, not Japan. But yes, the old British cars were unreliable, but the later ones were even worse.
The three musketeers have arrived!
Love these podcast like conversations - keep them coming lads!
Be careful guys - the idea that an old car lasting longer is better for emissions is not necessarily true.
It feels true intuitively, but the very vast majority of a cars lifetime impact is in its use. A surprisingly small improvement in efficiency in a new car over an older one means in many cases scrapping a 10 year old and making a new more efficient one from scratch and running that for 10 years is better than running the old one for 20.
So don’t automatically assume keeping an old one on the road is better. In some cases that is true, but it’s not a universal rule.
Great to see John, you can tell he has a gym membership.
I’ll worry about my vehicles emissions when the politician regulating my vehicle isn’t flying his whole family around on private jets.
Such a good 2 videos. Well done.
One question I have from the 1st video, the redriven guys suggest a car can be serviced at any registered mechanics for a log book service however, codogans response didn’t seem to agree. So what do you recommend, only the dealer while under warranty or a registered mechanic??
Epic guys, I’ve been sprouting this to so many people that criticise my aged fleet of rental cars and the Prado I tow them with that also does the school run but will hopefully last me 15-20 years as my hilux work Ute has. I had so many things I was going to comment on but I can’t type that much. But one thing I will say is at dealerships where a lot of pressure is on the “technicians” to do so much work in a day, at one I know of, the first thing they’d do is pick the cars that had done the least amount of kms since the last service and mark them down for a wash, quick test drive and a hand back with nothing else done to make sure the days quota was achieved.
If everyone drove 70 series Toyotas you wouldn’t need to have these conversations
But the fuel use and air pollution levels would be a lot higher. The correct answer for most people's daily use are bicycles and public transport, not off road trucks.
@@peglor Yep. Absolutely. Leave the big diesel burning fourbies for the bush and the minesites that actually need 'em.
@@peglorunfortunately with the registration fees etc in Australia what you speak of is two vehicle & that not cost effective.
@@0Aus There are registration fees for bicycles in Australia? I know they completely shit on casual bike usage by bringing in their provably anti-health mandatory helmet law (If they really wanted to save lives - based on actual injury data - helmets would be mandatory for pedestrians (Especially drunk ones) and extremely mandatory for anyone traveling in any motorised vehicle).
@@peglor sure a pushy would work for some, just can't see dad dropping the children of to
School doing the grocery shopping and piggy backing itchy balls the saint Bernard × chihuahua to the vet on Monday. 😇
Never buying a wef car. I own a petrol porsche cayenne 2019 still no big problems. I laungh my head off when i put petrol in and see green idiots charging lol.
It’s great to have you guys and John get together. Let’s get an MCM & ReDriven discussion happening!
Thank god this channel finally did something different. Well done lads. Branch out from your normal routine from time to time.