2024 LEMON VEHICLES LIST: Worst carmakers named. Do not buy! | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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I just know to stay away from Chinese brands
U2 - Lemon
Thanks for the worst vehicle manufacturers. Could you do a list of the best? Perhaps one on commercial vans too :)
I'm intrested in that, Maybe at close to 50 I should try something new. Your email link from the website isn't working for me (I don't run a browser email) I don't know how else to contact you.
To further add to the GMW we’ve opened two a H6 and now a Joilon. Not bad cars. Bang for buck really good way better then a lot or mainstream. We’ve had on issue with a battery in jillion customer service was great. He even a a courtesy car when the car goes in for service
Few years ago my in -laws sold their house and decided to shout the 3 kids new cars.
The missus had her mind set on a Jeep Cherokee. I could not change her mind no matter what I did. I offered to pay the extra amount for a Toyota Prado but I could not win the argument.
Here we are 4 years later and the Jeeps gearbox is probably rooted and we are getting the usual corporate stuff around about who is responsible. I am not surprised. I am beyond angry as I know that 99% chance that a Toyota would have given us no problems. And a Toyota Prado would still be worth at least 70% of what we paid for it.
Women ( and some blokes ) should not be allowed to choose vehicles, they often go for style/ hype over function...
Toyota doesn't sell Prado in the US, so she probably thinks your not very bright. I recommend you check your blinker fluid. 😊
Pretty sure he's in Australia, hence the au at the end of his name.@@buning_sensations5437
Toyota sell Prado in Australia
@@buning_sensations5437hot tip , AU isnt a state of the usa 😂
Some highlights with approx timing:
04:50 can start here
5:00 Ferrari
5:40 Vans
6:35 Ram Renault LDV
8:35 Alfa Romeo, Citreon, Lotus, Peugeot
10:25 Cherry
10:54 Volvo
11:14 general Euro comment - ""European quality - epic oxymoron"
11:30 Polestar
12:30 SsangYong
14:01 jeep
15:20 - Land Rover and Jaguar
16:40 - Mercedes
19:40 - Honda
21:00 Tesla
23:13 VW Skoda Audi "Volkswagen is a criminal organisation."
25:00 Nissan
29:00 Summary
30:00 GWM
And continuing summary
Do you have a timestamp for what JC says about MG? Can't seem to find them haha
Seems to use a lot of words with very little content
Thanks!
You are the best
Thank you, sir!
Every time I see a Jeep in traffic, I think... there is someone who spent $80,000 without spending 5-10 minutes on Google, prior to purchase.
Yep.
Such ignorance ! I have been driving my grand Cherokee for the last 9 years now and it has hardly ever skipped a bit ! Such a fun to drive and way ahead of its time in technology !
Yep 👍 ,fools are born every minute 😊
@nadeemshah7298 You might have the unicorn Jeep, but with a cash strapped CHRYSLER making horrible compromises they can't afford to fix after manufacture, statistically they are a losing proposition for the second biggest investment you are likely to make in your life.
@@bend3rbot I have a 12 year old Chrysler 300 SRT8 which also hasn't had an issue besides cracked plastic moulding on the heater hose. By the way the 300 shares a heap with the Cherokee
Oi, I have a Jeep . It's 18 yrs old. It's never failed. Low altitude,high altitude works well. Driven Jeeps all over the planet plus Landrover defender....brilliant. Australia usually bends over for Asia...Toyota awroight.. Wouldn't mind a Stutz Bearcat. Cheers from a woman who loves her Jeep.
In America, if you get stuck with a lemon. You can just park it in LA.
We put ours in Canberra.
problem is they end up with their snouts in the troughs running the country.. 😁
@@AutoExpertJCIn 2022 and 2023, Canberra was the car theft Capital of Australia. Net exporter of cars and not in a good way.
Beetroots, that’s another story
@@AutoExpertJC & Find drunken Barnaby Gumble under it "Hey Homer I found a pretzel"
I thought they could also get the award for cars that should have been scrapped decades ago but still run ‘sort of’ on the road still.
Always thoroughly entertaining, thanks again John.
I own a Volvo XC60 and as you say it's roolly nice to drive, but service is second rate expense BS. Had an electrical fault due to me jacking the car up on one side for too long (kid you not). I asked the service team to just do a DEL/ALT/DEL on the electronic park brake. They wouldn't. Charged me $223 to tell me they had no idea how to fix the issue. I bought a $30 OBD2 tool, reset the EPB and job done. One more warranty service to go (mistake of pre-paying service) and then I'll never go back to Volvo for my servicing
Sounds like to me micro management of a ride
I’m actually considering a 2019 or later XC40 T5 once the price drops a bit more. The resale value is a joke and the annual servicing fees are eye watering. I service my own vehicles and while this is a bit more complex, I’ve managed worse. I just need to find someone who doesn’t want the bills and hasn’t rotted out the sun roof rails
Why would you need an electric parking brake?
@@theairstig9164I’d find an earlier XC40 before they switched from Belgian to Chinese production. 2018s should all be Belgian
@@raykuipers3146 Over 90% of new vehicles have them. Even manual transmission equipped cars. They are cheap. Probably no less reliable than a cable that can corrode, freeze or stretch.
We have a 3 year old Mazda CX 5 2.5l turbo petrol AWD. In my very average 40 years of car ownership I've never owned a better vehicle. It puts a smile on our dials every time we use it. 😊
Even Toyota now uses Mazda's engines in LC 300.
Great video, very accurate. Can I just add a personal experience. Bought my Ssangyong Musso new in 2006. Over 18 years it has been a family truckster, carried over a ton of dirt, towed race cars, hauled many racing bicycles. 180,000km and never, ever let me down. Fit and finish is average, paint is fkd and resale value is worthless but, after 18 years I've had my moneys worth and it was HALF the price of a Hilux at the time.
My Sangyong Kyron did 440,000 Km. I am advised that this is rare.
2021 Musso done 110000klm no problems.
Best car I ever iwned
@@franko3006 If it's diesel, you've just broken the engine in. Still a toddler in car life time... petrol, another story...
@@franko3006 My sparky neighbour uses a Musso for work and has had no problems, says it drive much nicer than his former Ranger..
@@adoreslaurel But then you have to look at it....... The Kyron was even worse, uglier than a hat full of A-holes.
These are by far my favourite vids made by John, everyone loves a shit list
Watching you disect the quality of cars in the Australian market is hilarious John well done!
I own a Jeep Wrangler JK and I have to say I enjoy having the skills as an ex mechanic and generous bank account to support this fine vehicle. The previous owner spent a fortune on this thing a I feel comfortably delusional that I’m on the cheaper end of this ownership, at 184,000 km. Feel free to wish me luck.
I have a 2013 JKU CRD, had it since new and its done 190k. I have it regularly serviced and its been a fantastic vehicle. Ive kept it stock and i use it as my everyday car, plus it tows my camper out on trips approx once a month. I’ve never treated it harshly or done heavy 4wd’ing, which i think is the reason its been so reliable.
95% of all Jeeps ever made are still out there on the road.
The other 5% actually made it home.
Jeeps are awesome. Don't believe the BS. Good BASIC MAINTENANCE GOES A LONG WAY!
The old straight 6, yes. But the new govt mandated plush, 4 f'in door, auto trans, vee engined Fiat parts ridden soccer mom modern Jeep is not that. Jeep as have all big businesses has become just a corporate entity devouring profits like a cow eats grass. No soul to modern Jeeps, see also Harley-Davidson.
Beware the Dana final drives in the wrangler and the Cherokee they eat the lsd components at 200k which then get fed through the crown wheel and pinion, beware also of the inhibitor switch on the shift mechanism, they cost $600+ and the long six distributor brgs and shaft (non servicable) chuck in the towel. Dunno what a new dizzy costs, although the cars I'm mentioned are old, the general trend of garbage mechanicals shine like a light house through the gloom, anyway, I've retired ❤😂😅
Your description of Alfa Romeo is perhaps the best I've ever heard.... lol
yeh makes me want one even more.
It is ALWAYS GOOD to see the RUBBISH car makers NAMED AND SHAMED!
Except if your a trash manufacturer...
@@AutoExpertJCYou're.
John!!!! Your???? You meant to write. " you're"@@AutoExpertJC
You forgot gm and ford lol@@AutoExpertJC
@@jon88and97His list is actually brands that are even worse than those owned by General Mistakes Corporation and Ford Motor Company.
A Ford Ranger, while nowhere close to a Toyota's level of indestructibility, is actually dependable when compared to a Ssangyong, a Chery, or a Land Rover. That's a fact.
Mahindra announced today that they are new sponsors to Volleyball Australia, and I fully endorse their commitment to boobies in lycra.
They also own an airplane building company in Australia. Boobies in planes. Mostly while skydiving
Was mahindra on the list ?
@@aaronm2705I don't recall it being on the list, but that might just be because my teenage kids tell me my memory is gone...but if I can remember that they tell me that, is it truely gone?
@@aaronm2705 My S11 should be. It leaks lemon juice all over the road.
@@aaronm2705 Isn't Mahindra part of Tata which was mentioned
There is some good advice in this segment. What ever car or truck you buy make sure the service and parts supply chain is robust. Modern vehicles are loaded with electronics and if a chip goes bad your vehicle is dead until a new replacement can be acquired. This is especially important if you live out in Dingo Piss Creek where the roads are rough and the distance are great.
My mate became an apprentice mechanic in 1988 and the first thing he told me when I asked him about his first day, was "never buy a Jeep". Great advice on day 1.
The American built jeep of old are a good car don't buy other country built jeep..
@@shanebaldrys134 Roger that. Cheers
There's a South African 🇿🇦 national 4x4 safari tour guide that won't allow them, as breaking down in some place can lead to fatalities. So, Jeep is for the playgrounds 15 minutes outside of Cape Town or Pretoria.
You've got it wrong about Jaguar Land Rover - they are exceptional cars - especially the Range Rover. You just need to buy a 2 or 3 year old, so the 1st owner has sorted out all the issues. Once sorted, they are as reliable as any other car and more than most. I've had 5 Range Rovers and each has done over 120,000 miles, one did 185,000 miles (300,000km) with only regular maintenance, plus a few minor parts replaced.
You can fit OEM parts from the part maker - e.g. pay £500 for a new radiator from Land Rover or buy exactly the same product from Bosch for £250 - or £38 for Land Rover wiper blades but £17 for the same part from Bosch.
That's true: - several RR, Disco, Defender in Cape Town well over half a million pleasant km's, after the initial agony of the first 20k or 30k km. Owners won't sell, cash doesn't help.
🎶 Timothy Rigby, sweeps up the rust in the carpark where his car once had been...lives in a dream (aka nightmare)🎶
Waits at the window
Wearing the face that says "Service is poor"
Broken my door......
All the auto lemons
Where do they all come from....?
All the auto lemons
They're all just total bombs
Ahhh look at all the auto lemons....
Johnny Cadogan sits at the desk
where he's typing the scripts to this vid...
Testing the junk car
tries a big brake test and just ends up doing a skid
And he'll be in an auto lemon
Where do they all come from ?
Driving an auto lemon
I think he's going to vom....
Just bought a Y62 Patrol TiL. I was going to purchase a Cruiser again, but couldn’t cop the price differential of over $35,000.00 for the top of the range Cruiser. On and off road, the Patrol is just as good, if not better at all things. It is more roomy, as well, but also more thirsty. Still, $35,000.00 means that the price differential might take me 30 years to use up on fuel, and spare parts are cheaper as well. As silly as some might call me, I love the feel and performance of the Patrol’s naturally aspirated V8. In any event, it’s my money and I get to drive the best large off-roader in Australia, or anywhere.
Nissan’s premium range are pretty good. Talking Patrol, Z-car and GTR. You chose well.
Love your work! Fantastic overview and no pulled punches. The ordinary person on the street needs your expertise and straight shooting vehicle brand assessments. Where else can they go for such honesty. Thank you - great delivery and relevant to everyone.
how about an updated best top 5 cars to buy Small/Medium/Suv/Ute/EV / for the average aussies! Thanks John
Agreed, this video kind of left potential consumers festering in a void.
Thats really easy to answer the question to all those catagories in one word "Toyota"
He is Captain negative , funny negative comedian really.
Choose from the brands not named as they're just shit as John said.
Toyota/Mazda/Hyundai, in this order.
Next, we need to know the top 20 best cars!
Nope. Best at what? Carting fat people who don’t own bicycles around? Rolling over? Parking?
It's a safe bet to assume that as a brand, Lexus/Toyota is at or near the top.
BMW
Genesis
Hyundai
Kia
Lexus
Mazda
Subaru
Mini
Mitsubishi
Toyota
BMW???Junk
@@JJ-wi2uw Agree there. Had a visit from a guy who had a '97 Camry with 930k km on the odometer. Always serviced by the book and only replaced consumables. Looked like a well worn car though. I had an '84 Corona that I couldn't kill. Traded it in another Toyota after it got to 600k km. The AC still froze you on a Brisbane summer's day. We've got a 2023 Lexus NX hybrid, and a '09 Toyota Kluger with 160k km. Never had so much as a minor issue with the Kluger.
Well, we got a 9 year old GC, V6 petrol and its been a great car.
Kept the old ML Triton and it’s just rolled over 320,000 ks and just keeps kicking on.
Moral of the story, service and fix shit. The biggest piece of shit I had was a Landcruiser wagon, that fucker was possessed. Cost me a fortune.
Thanks for sharing your valuable thoughts
I was in the local LDV dealership last week. One of the local smash repairers, one of the best ones, was there. I know him quite well, I said "G'day, what are you doing here, upgrading to a Chinese ute hey?"
He replied "nah, just quoting rust repairs on LDVs again."
It's sort of encouraging that they're at least getting a good panel beater to quote, rather than a kid with a wire brush and a spray can.
Lol upgrade to China box
Downgrading.
LOL. sideways is it?@@AdmissionGaming
Look at the rust in the Tunlands! I saw one with rat sized holes all over.
Much enjoyed your thinning of the "rank." Which rhymes with "stank."
Glad to be enjoying vintage Toyotas over here in California (land of fruits and nuts). I expect our Avalon and Tacoma to outlast us, unless destroyed by some wayward driver, and their numbers seem to be on the increase. With a combined total of 538k miles, looking forward to seeing that number reach a million. Ever the optimist, I will be 75 this year, but plan to go past the 100 my father reached, so plenty of time to reach that million mile mark. BTW, he drove until he was 97, and a few thousand of the miles he drove were in Australia and New Zealand after retiring.
abso-so-lutely! rock on! With good calif living it IS possible to live well until extremely old, i sense. I may actually move there from the PNW where i'm from and still live in the wet damp cool/cold, which just is not good whether 14 y.o. or my current over 50 age. Easily will get to million miles on the toyotas, but per my mechanics, u actually want to do 3K oil changes almost no matter which oil u might be using. That number 3Kmiles to about 5K tops if all highway miles and not daily driver, is also what famed reknowned engine /car designer/engineer of the Nissan GTR says. Incidentally, part of why the seemingly low miles oil change interval is bcuz the quality of the engines since 25 yrs ago is not as good as they were before when they were seriously rugged/indesructible at both Toyota and Honda in many cases.
my 2004 avalon 488,750 miles , truoble free.
Entertaining as always John. But my experience with the 3 pointed star must be the exception to the rule. I purchased a new E400D all terrain wagon in 2021. It is a great looking vehicle, drives beautifully, is extremely comfortable and quiet, and has amazing power from the 6 cylinder twin turbocharged diesel engine. I just am very impressed with the vehicle. Dealer service has been great. There was no quibbling when I needed a headlight replaced. And on last service they upgraded the entertainment and navigation system without any extra charge. Service charges are not much more than Toyota charge for my Landcruiser dual cab. So overall, after 3 years ownership, I am very happy with my Mercedes Benz. thanks again for your reviews.
Interesting, I have a 2005 Mercedes Viano Diesel bought new, serviced myself once out of warranty, and have had a couple of failures of significance over that time. Failed crank angle sensor and failed transmission conduction plate. The others have been minor, front electric window winder guides, both sides, multiple times, (shit design), a failed glowplug and a failed self park on the rear wiper (poor design). Maybe the later ones are worse because of all the electronics.
I grew up in a family with 23 Mercedes-Benz cars; I owned 5 of those and clocked 350,000 to 500,000 on most, and 768,000 on the OM616 240D. No trouble worth a mention. The others in my own family ran well. Dad sold his 1961 190 Heckflosse (fintail, to the inept) at 354 000mi in 1974. It still runs to this day at Aranos in Namibia.
I asked my good friend what was his ownership experience after buying his Tesla 3 one year ago, after raving about it during his first 3 months of ownership. He doesn't want to talk about it now. Some things are better left unsaid! 😂
The 3 prong: Observation is the current choice of Lebbos and Indians, most likely all on novated lease to make them look cool as they punch the throttle down the road, making them sound like a large fart. Also, those modern black mercs look like a cockroach on wheels. Have a look next time you see one. Once you see, you won't be able to unsee.
Spot on .
Well described and they do sound like a large fart when throttled
Ohh yes, lots of Three-Prong Lebo Fanboys driving higher end/loud Mercs in the inner West of Melbourne. You can often hear these knobs from quite some distance away. I doubt most of them actually own these cars, as they seem to give them the beans at every opportunity.
I'd hate to be buying one of these thrashed three-prong suppositories when they come onto the second-hand market. Lebs really have a thing for German cars.
Modelled off the AU falcon.
I too would be a disappointed racist if people who started with nothing eclipsed my achievements in less than half of my lived time.
In VW's defence we have two 2010's era vehicles that have done almost 300000km each with no major issues, heck, they've had few minor issues... Extremely reliable highway machines and both still a dream to drive with great fuel economy, both were purchased with 50000km on the clock and have been very impressive with how they hold up over ten years.... Can't fault them really...
Nice 2 car example... LOL
@@brent1835 I'll add, for the dozens I've worked on I would definitely not call them unreliable, and I've not met an owner who would say that either. No stupid issues outside of routine maintenance... Can't say the same of Ford GM or anything French 🤮
I have a 2012 Amarok with 370000km that's only had a split intercooler hose and rats ate out the injector return lines, other than that no issues, and I can't blame VW for the rats.
He's talking buying new.
Don't kid yourself, theyre absolute dogshit.
Ive noticed that wherever you pause the video, he's always snearing. Love it !
i drive a Jeep , 200k and going strong , i have a friend who swears by his Nissan Patrol , every time i call him i ask what has gone wrong with it this time and i spend the next ten minutes getting a rundown on the latest problems to arise , and there have been many , sway bar links breaking , suspension bushes collapsing ,differential (front) , prop shaft , injectors , fuel pump , intercooler , manifold studs , cylinder head gaskets ,turbo, turbo pipes , windows , seats , and then he asks what has broken on the jeep , usually the answer is nothing, (but last month i had to replace a transfer case module , $125 brand new latest updated unit ), he usually replies " yeah but you have to be seen driving a Jeep!" as if it's some kind of shameful act , look at the comments below , proud owners and ignorant detractors , jealousy is a curse i suppose
We had a VW Golf in our work fleet - the seat had 1,000 adjustment options. Trouble was, 999 of them were uncomfortable.
Isn't that exactly what you want? The 999 others are for others 🙄
@@miskatonic6210 it would take me 6 hours of driving to find that exact adjustment - then I would hand the car over to someone else, who will then readjust it to suit themself.
@@richard7071 Electronically multi-adjustable seats without a memory function (or two) are the work of the devil.
I’m a Tesla fanbois
Nice praise there jc
999 problems & a vw Ain't 1 😂
My 2016 VF Commodore is the most reliable car I've ever owned. Only had one faulty component since I've owned it from new. That component is a stop light bulb.
Other than standard service components replaced, just a set of tyres & a lead acid battery have been replaced.
The dunnydore Holden should have given us in 1990. After that, a genuine SUV on Veta platform. Holden may still be here. After saying Australia’s first car since 1948; they finally spoke truth.
Sunrise, had exavt same experince with the heavy set and somewhat ugly(ish) Commodore VT, ownership 4 years, from being bought with 27,000ks, traded in at 187,000 ks- total extra maintenaince outside of 10k services ( kinda kept) = one brake light bulb. ( and a bit of water in the wiper washer tank when it ran out long enough to iritate me)
The VT looked amazing in 1998
@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc all holden and ford had to do to save themselves and keep hsv and fpv going was fit their v8s to the twin cab utes... Toyota and Nissan a already sells their chassis with a v8 overseas so they could have competed and Mitsubishi loves their turbo v6s (which would of given them ridiculously great sales)
love my old VT, bit rough around the edges and 340,000ks and has had a few bits replaced but still super reliable daily driver
Just went to NAPA and bought a clutch master and slave cylinder for my 1995 Landcruiser ute. Both were available over to counter. 385000km and is still running the original engine and drivetrain. Not sure you would expect that from many manufacturers. The resale value is also rising at around 10% per year.
But you still have the crap experience of driving around in a 1995 Landcruiser ute: there is a gulf of difference between reliable and nice to drive......just ask John.
Toyota here in Australia doesn't want to know you unless you're already a gushing fan or a farmer. Not one sales person has called me back, nor been interested in showing me around a car. It was like I had do all the work. Twice now, taken my business elsewhere. Not sure I'll give them a third chance.
Fair & honest presentation, John! The truly sad part is that this is a global issue. When being the "least worst" is at the high end of the automotive grading scale, I say, "mmm - no, thanks, I'll just walk or take the bus hereafter."
I was driving home from work today hoping id see one of these lists again.
The AutoExpert hath answered 🙏
I was listening to your thoughts with my mind.
Same here. Is it strange that I get a little trouser teepee when I see there is a new video
YESSSS🤘
@@AutoExpertJC Do you work for Knee-San?
These are the carmakers left (although I'm at 19, perhaps Caterham or BYD is erroneous?):
BMW
BYD
(edit: removed)
Chevrolet
Chrysler
Ford
Genesis
GWM
Hyundai
Isuzu
Kia
Lexus
Mazda
MG
Mini
Mitsubishi
Subaru
Suzuki
Toyota
Cheers mate.
Let's hope John can upload a video about these and the positives of why they are 'not shit'.
Caterham was eliminated for having too low a sales volume
Chrysler was also eliminated for selling less than 50 cars. Your list is also missing Mahindra.
MG = LDV. Both are SAIC products. Some models swap badges in different countries
They had three BYD electric 2 cars one SUV. in an area at our local Plaza They are really nice beautiful colors
Before I had the 86 Volvo I had a 79 Jeep Wrangler with a fiberglass hard top. It was light and a bit squirrelly on the ice but swapping out the OEM mud tires for a set of Pirelli snow tires made softened the ride and increased the stability a lot. The low weight and short wheel base made the Wrangler a hoot to drive in the mud, sand and snow.
The engine was a small six and the tranny was a four on the floor with high and low range. The only pare to need replacement were the U joints. It was not good at high speeds on an icey pavement but it was good at posted speed limits.
Three-prong was making decent cars in the 80's. This piece is about now.
Such valuable information. Thank you so much.
Great Video. Thank you. So hard to pick a car these days that are good quality and come with good service.
My mate's LDV had a flat battery in Ballinia. He had to get it transported on a tilt tray to Coffs Harbour to get it running again. Some lock down security code when the battery is tampered with need to be reset. Not a handy feature with a sparce deeler network.
Mate. There is an ldv/haval dealer in ballina LOL.
I had a Porsche, 3 Volvo, but the last XC70 always repaired, finally I got Kia Rio. Doing 50 miles/ galon. Im happy !
Nicely presented. Subscribed. Where can I find a similar examination of motorcycle brands?
Another great video! When every weekend was spent car camping in remote areas of CO, UT, and AZ in the USA, my choice of transportation was a 2003 Toyota Land Cruiser 100 series. Aside from recommended maintenance, no reliability problems presented themselves. After a major life change, I no longer spend time traveling or car camping, and now drive a 2011 Toyota Tundra that easily hauls building supplies required to build parrot perches, stands, and other projects that interest me. Based upon all the changes in new trucks including my favorite brand Toyota, I cannot imagine buying any truck that does not use a key to start and does not have a reliable gas V8 engine. I guess that means my reliable and cost-effective 2011 Tundra will be the last truck I will purchase. I always look forward your next video, thank you for sharing your wisdom and sense of humor!
I’ve missed the frequent doses of JC wisdom. It’s hard to find common sense anywhere else. You’re the last bastion of hope for us all.
Thank you! I’m not in the market for a new vehicle now or hopefully until after I die but I appreciate the time and no bullshit information you have provided me and all your followers who now have a better understanding of these brands and how we can hopefully buy our next vehicle knowing it will be reliable with good back up service.
Thanks John
I owned, a 1996 Nissan Micra Lx built Sunderland UK , for 20 years , never missed a beat, as reliable as the best of cars and very economical. I got rid of it eventually for a Honda.
I suggest to take any advice on any vehicle with a huge level of doubt and get a mechanic report if buying a vehicle.
I bought the Nissan Micra on advice from Wheels magazine rating of the car especially its economy on petrol consumption. Experts are what they supposedly are. Ultimately make up your own mind.
Landrover...many, many moons ago I worked as a trades assistant on military contract to the Australian Army. Back then they only had land rovers and they were easily the biggest buckets of crap on any army base. The list of problems was endless from constant rear main oil leaks, dodgey tie rods, brake discs made from cheese. Whether they were new or old in service the problems just kept cropping up. You couldn't give me one.
They had the worst engines.
Yep, don’t own a Landy unless you know your way around a set of spanners. With the modern ones, just don’t own them as you’ll need specialist kit.
4 years in, and no spanners used on our Defender. I do spin wrenches on other cars in the fleet.
Those aren't landrovers mate.....they are perenties, and they are completely mechanically different to a standard defender. They run Isuzu diesels, different gearboxes, different transfer cases and different axles and suspension.
All parts supplied by landrover australia so they are landrovers.@@gureno19
Great video thanks John after putting the VZ Commodore Ute to sleep my vehicle aspirations are leaning these days towards a Toyota Camry Ascent which is pretty sad I think but then I’m 61 and as you can’t buy a new Commodore or even Falcon Ute and I’m not interested in twin cab diesels or SUVs it’s probably my best option. With the chunk of change I could pick up a great new Japanese bike or even 2. Great information just the same thanks again.
I miss proper Holdens too
I sold my VU during the 'rona second hand madness, it was just too much money to pass up for an old, fairly unremarkable but reliable beast.
Look on the upside, no one's ever going to ask you to help you move heavy things for them again and its something to look forward to
@@krissteel4074 I loved my old Ute but it just became too much of a money pit. 😂🤣😂 As for people asking me to help them move I’m an angry old bastard so only a few close friends ever asked or I offered and members of my family knew if I would say yes or no so didn’t ask.
Toyota HiLux or ranger work ute 2x4. They exist
@@theairstig9164I bought a new poverty pack dual cab Hilux Workmate petrol auto. Hopefully at 63 it will see me out. I didn’t trade my 26 year old Corolla still going strong.
Love the description of RAM owners. EXACTLY like Harley owners - the ONLY machine on the planet that turns fuel into noise.
You wish you could afford a RAM Bozzo , my 1500 Limited is a DREAM car
@@martinaston8044I’d have the diesel version tomorrow if I had the money
Several aircraft types do just that.
Loved the count down. Very entertaining and informative. FYI. I bought on a Ssangyong Stavic used 10years ago. Very cheap. Done further 180 000km since then . It is very reliable never broken down. Just the heater got stuck on during winter Luckily got it fixed by summer. Some parts are difficult to get.
Those of us about to buy, salute you.
Would someone be into Acka Dacka ??👍
A video not slagging off ev's? are you alright dogesy
You can not like Tesla and Elon and still like EV's, like me. But it works for my lifestyle. Not for everyone though!
Lol...lmao...
Must be no little brown paper baggy this week from the guys with towels on their heads out Mid East way. They must be sh1tting themselves.
Ssangyong - those of us who have them tend to love them and advertise that fact to those around us. Just think how much we saved.
Hi John, great video as per usual. Now it's time for part 2 ==== the 18 best car makers with the best service and cars to buy.
The Cupra Formentor is both the best and worst car I have owned, but I love it. A mix of luxury and poor build quality in a package that goes like a stuck rat, corners with an accuracy not found in Audis' and has a sense of humour with bangs and pops in Cupra mode. You are right and about VW on the whole, but I don't think any car company is without sin, once they have your money, they don't give a rat's rectum.
As an old VAG product owner I can't help noticing how the quality of spare parts has deteriorated post dieselgate. Can't imagine what their new cars will be like.
In my experience as a VW owner, I got nothing to complain, actually dealership was very responsive and quick to replace the water pump, even out of warranty for free. On the other hand, my toyota van has faulty brakes rotors from brand new, and the dealership refuses to repair it, despite complaining from the very beginning , not to talk about the faulty DPF, only replaced when we got a letter from EPA about a complain from another driver beying me.
There are no saints in this business. They are all the same.
I aggree. He generalises as everyone under a VW brand as bad.
You did mention GWM but not their best seller here in South Africa. In February 2023 I bought a new, off the floor, HAVAL H6 2WD. T he first time I drove it there was a computer problem in that I could not lock the doors and called the dealership who asked me to return the car for them to download new software. Days later several other computer problems developed. After returning the car to the dealership 8 times in a 6 month period HAVAL SOUTH AFRICA stated that the on board computer was not covered by the warranty. My Aussie cousins, DO NOT BUY A GWM VEHICLE
My Toyota's enter transmission driveline failed 400km/250mi out of warranty. They ignored me. So, following your method, do NOT buy a Toyota. Get a properly built vehicle.
@@mashaleng that makes no sense
Love your work.
Missed your calling as a stand up comic John.😂 Where do you get your awesome t-shirts?
About time! Love your lemon lists.
An excellent review . And mirrors nicely what happens in the UK also. When I was working , I was driving company cars for over 40 years and have driven a lot of the brands you mention . I now stay loyal to Toyota .
My last 3 cars. Alfa Romeo 156, apart from regularly changing the light bulbs I had no issues. Next was VW Golf Plus (got married and had a kid) no issues, currently Mazda 2 so far no issues apart from a couple of fob problems.
If buying new, Toyota preferred, Honda if price/features are an issue or Ford if desperate. If buying used, research the history and reliability of the vehicle. One usually unmentioned benefit of buying used, is the ability to essentially have other drivers be your guinea pig for how reliable a certain vehicle is.
Lemon list 2024 worst brands to own.
Honda made this list 💩.... that's not a good thing 🤦
Thank you for valuable information, you should be nominated for "Australian of the year" award. Seriously - you are helping to a lot of people, your knowledge protects them from disasters ( if they have some brain and accept you ), you are giving your expertise for free to all of us. Again - THANK YOU!
Great idea but he's too honest and too white for Albos woke green leftie helpers to reward.
Hi John. Love the channel. Have you ever thought about explaining QA to us. Feature packed V's a reliable car. Nissan and Mitsubishi have decked out there utes to flog them off recently and I did consider getting one of these recently. I did the rounds for an informed opinion but decided against them for reliable reputation (went the BT50) compared to a really nice car to sit in.
There have to be exceptions, and I'd love to say my diesel Grand Cherokee is an example, as it approaches 221,000 miles. But it only made it this far due to the extended warranty after they cheated on emissions. It's on its third DPF and second or third cat, but all of those on them. In the nearly 10 years I have owned it I have probably had a year of loaner usage. My shed and chicken coop were both transported in loaner trucks. I've probably done 50,000 miles in RAM 1500, 2500, and 3500 trucks, including a RAM 3500 high output diesel I had for a month when they didn't have a solution for the second blown EGR cooler. I asked the service manager, now someone I know well enough to talk to outside of work, what the repairs so far would have cost. His first guess was around $40k excluding rental vehicle costs. Not bad for a PoS that cost me $55k. I should have left it with them the first time the CEL came on, and then lemon lawed it for a v8 and some cash after the first of the four months it took them to find a temporary fix.
Love this John been a mechanic for 38years your spot on !!!!
Ateco? They're the pinnacle of consumer excellence....
They're so brilliant I knew of them when I was 15....wish is 24 years ago.
They were especially excellent in introducing Great Wall into Australia....
I’m not a new car man. I don’t enjoy dealing with dealer support, and warranties are mostly irrelevant to me. With that out of the way, my 2007 Volvo just keeps on going. Annual service about $600 at my local service guy. Major parts needed? None so far. Needed a new engine mount last service. $120 to import. Local guy charged me $80 for the install. Really can’t complain.
Excellent summary JC. Only one very minor error, simply in saying Australian Car manufacturers. Shouldn't manufacturer be replaced with seller? I was under the impression that the exhorting rhorting of funds through increasingly complicated layers of taxation in straya has all but eliminated all manufacting of any "mota" down 'ere.
there are many cars you can buy that DO have a good rep. I will say that, Working for a dealership that sells a number of brands, Hyundai, Kia. Isuzu, F trucks Chery and Suzuki. Too early for Chery. However We get NO suzukis coming in for repairs. The ONLY time they come in, is for service. For a while, we had engines sitting on pallets, from Hyundai/Kia (same thing)
That is worth knowing.
As a mechanic myself… everything you’ve said is entirely discredited due to saying Kia/hyundai are good… they’re either scoring bores, spinning big end bearings or shitting out DCT’s like they’re a snack… for me it’s job security, for the customer it’s months without their car.
@@MrPoogman Are you in the US? Hyundai/Kia have an OK reputation in Australia but ours are Korean or (I think) some European. US made might be different.
Suzuki has a great rep for reliability and rock bottom ownership costs.
Suzuki and Honda are both utterly reliable and also authentic.
54 is certainly more than I would have guessed. However, 90% could quite easily be thrown under the bus as garbage without further ado. The remaining 5 or 6, coz you cant have 0.6 of a car, could be quickly rendered down to Mazda.
Would be nice to know which 18 were left as the least shit coz we didn't have the starting list to begin with.
😂😂😂
@@lasseeloranta439 What's so funny?
Any carmaker not mentioned that sells a decent amount of cars is what's left on the list. It's not hard.
I'm pretty sure the list was on the screen a couple of times, lemme check.....yup, the list was up from 0:15 to 0:55, to be honest it was fucking hard to miss.
This video is about rating manufacturers' customer support, not cars.....
Aye Matey! Kia has a special place in my heart, the part that makes cozy acidic hell-flames of hate! Over 20 years later I still advise everybody to avoid Kia like the plague, because there have to consequences when companies mess up, and I had warned them I would do this, but they never cared! My 2002 Rio had a clutch that slipped one day and was fine the next after only 5 months! Kia refused to fix it, despite their 10 year warranty. A clutch is either worn or good, so there was something wrong with the pressure mechanism rather than worn pads, but the managers at the dealer AND at Kia Corporate nixed me and wanted money for a "wear and tear" repair that would have cost around a thousand dollars! I told them to go to hell and just drove it as it was.
So, I sat with a calculator and decided to let ALL maintenance go and not pay the dealer one more penny. 5 years later, the engine failed with a rackety sound, telling me the timing belt had failed at 90000 miles, and I had a tasty salad of hammered pistons and crushed valves, all soaked in aromatic oil that had not been changed in 50000 miles and was coloured like black soy-sauce!
Well, not spending one more dime on that car had saved enough money for a down-payment for a Toyota Yaris that lasted 300000 miles and only died when a silly Karen took a left turn right in front of me and smashed "Toshi San" into a sad lump of wreckage. I played taps when I left it at the wreckage retrieval lot.
I now have a 2011 Honda Fit and a 2003 Toyota Corolla, and they are both just dandy!
Thank you.
...said no car manufacturer ever.
(You're welcome.)
Fair enough, your flick was about people who want an ordinary boring disposable car, however you have seriously bagged some wonderful innovative manufacturers, without them we would not have many attributes of the beauty of the car we have today.
Let's start with Citroen, selling here in Australia for over 100 years (the first car to drive all around Australia), you can get parts for them easily FFS! Not that you need to. Our company car is a 2015 C5, electronically controlled hydraulic self levelling suspension (no springs or shock absorbers), never had one single problem, not one part fail, nothing. The only problem is it makes obeying our lethargic speed limits really difficult (I've lost my licence twice driving in the country).
Then Peugeot, yes they had a low point from about 2000 to 2015 but before and after, so many fantastic creations. My colleague has a 2019 5008, not one single problem, she loves it, her husband ditched his unreliable Merc for a Mazda, which he finds so boring, so he drives her Peugeot as often as he can.
Alfa, you clearly haven't looked into the reliability reports from England etc etc, they are less problematic than the German stuff. Our company has three directors, two have Stelvios, the other one, a Giulia, no problems with any of them.
Please look into the facts before you bag these wonderful fairly low volume innovative brands, killing creativity will not give us much to choose from soon.
Btw., Fiat has an incredible history of design and innovation, you can lean about in Google.
I drove dozens of Peugeots in the UK working for Galliford Try construction as cars were at the end of their life in the company car pool at 75-79,000 km. They were all running well w/o any issues as they became the workhorses of the car fleet for a construction management company.
I freaking love my Jeep. Every major car manufacturer suffers when greedy politicians are in control of the economy. Obviously it goes much deeper.
Im still driving a 14 year old Ford Mondeo diesel, i bought it new and it's done over 200K miles....
The exhaust lasted 197K miles, the first suspension components being replaced at 200K miles are 2 front drop links, total cost £38....
I bet none of the new cars being sold today can get anywhere near that today... reliability is not a term you can apply to new cars...🙄☹
I don't get the Jeep thing myself however I have seen a 9 sec. SRT Jeep at the drag strip. That's pretty impressive when you consider this vehicle has the aerodynamics of a brick.
Mg and byd were on your lemon list last year. What brought them off it? Keen for your feedback on that one... We are an inner suburban family with solar panels that fits the small ev use case
MG need to stay on it, I HAD a ZST it was a total electronic basket case with a bad dash rattle. Sold it back to the dealership.
Buy a CX3 or a Corolla.
@@jaba430 looked at the corolla and was very impressed, but the novated lease FBT benefits of going ev is significant.
@@fademan77 they would need to be so huge to offset the issues JC refers to. Any time a government perk is in place you know there is a good reason, and it's not good for you.
As a mechanical engineer who has worked in industrial automation and now aviation with "new tech" everywhere, you would think i would have one if they made sense. They don't.
Thanks John. Be very interested in hearing your comments on the best mainstream brands to look for. Strongly considering a new last of the 2024 Prado (non battery version) Vs a Ford Everest V6
Your views would be greatly appreciated and welcomed pls mate
Cheers
You mentioned Terdota not being guilty of parts delay...They are and have been guilty in the past of not being able to supply panels for nearly new cars and vans without long delays in repairs...one such vehicle being involved in a legal case as it sat in the workshop for months...because a new turret could not be supplied...by the factory !!!
JC great list to avoid i would also put on the line MG i drove the HS as a rental 4 days and i felt it was under powered, the entertainment system and AC buttons were cumbersome, huge deep boot but a space saver spare. Actually i would punt any car manufacturer that doesn’t provide a full sized spare and only give Goo, inflation device or Space saver 80km spare. Anywhoo glad my Subaru lives another day
Same. The small MG SUV was the most dangerously gutless car I've driven.
@@TheSPazCORE mate i nearly had a collision on the out skits of Cairns all those Cook highway roundabouts no one slows down to 40km they at 80km and the lag caught me out twice. As well on a back arterial road i had to learn shift to Sports mode to wake up the car from eco mode.
Our family currently runs 4 Toyotas, 2015 Kluger, 2003 Corolla, 98 Landcruiser & 86 Landcruiser. However have been considering selling the Kluger and getting into bed with Volkswagen and purchasing a T-Roc R Grid edition, however I wake up in a cold sweat most mornings recently from John whispering in my ear don't do it !! thank god for your subconscious guidance, maybe wait for new Prado 🙂
2003 corrolla is a fantastic car just bought one with 46 thousand ks
From personal experience stay away from vw
Getting rid of a Toyota' for a dub. What are you on! Have to sell my Toyota as going away for 12 months bought it 4 years ago for $37k went back to the dealer yesterday and they offered $28k could probably get $30k if I had time to sell it myself. What more could I want from a car no problems great support great resale.
Not sure I’d get the new Prado until it’s been out a year or two. Last change up in the 150 had it’s issues and they’re likely to ream you on price when this one drops.
Look, Toyota's are great, they are reliable and built to last....but they aren't exciting when it comes to the family friendly category of their cars.
I've got a mint 2001 turbo diesel hilux, I'll never sell it 😂 but my second family car will always be a German or Italian, and yes I live in fear, but servicing them diligently and having some mechanical sympathy goes a long way.
Excellent rundown on the state of vehicles and makers John. Hope you can do a part two on the top 18 by ranking. What does stand out is how quality and reliability has down down since vehicle makers sent their manufacturing off-shore. A good example for all manufacturers (not just vehicles) - they may cut costs and maximise shareholder return in the short-term, but will eventually hit the wall long-term. Some recent reports indicate that EV manufacturers in China are starting to realise there are too many of them and the market just can't sustain them all. Just amalgamating without an increase in quality and consideration for the environment won't save them.
We live in the Scottish Highlands and love your videos. Great to hear what's happening "Down Under" 🤪. But,. We have a Jeep Renegade made in Italy by Fiat. It's now 9 years old, works hard every day on these mountainsides which are covered in snow for up to 6 months of the year and the roads are covered in salt ! The underside is as new with hardly any rust and the paintwork is as new ! It's been a fantastic vehicle. The engine has an oil change every 6 months (1.4 turbo) and it's been amazing !
Our other vehicle is an Isuzu D'max which does the hard work. That's been good too. A few sensor problems but never actually let us down . If we break down up here it's life or death in minus 20 temperatures. ...just saying 🤔
Anyway still love your videos and keep them coming ! 😀
Having driven Land Rovers for the past 20+ years I can honestly say you're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, and the best description I've ever heard for a Land Rover.
I have had a Land Rover discovery for over the same period and all in all what a work horse .
My current Discovery is 28 years old . Still runs fine with the odd minor repair now and then such as a wheel bearing and a water pump. Simple old fashioned design and easy to work on. Except for the bloody door locks!
@@philhawley1219 I've had 4 Disco's and I love them. Plenty of power and the most comfortable driving position of anything on the market.I went places I couldn't walk and did it all in style and comfort. I've also had a cople of the 110's and they on the other hand are just a tractor with cordura seats, but awesome vehicles. We Rover drivers are a unique breed 👍
@@waylandforge8704 I had a 110 V8 and a 2door Range Rover. Bloody good solid vehicles. Towed out a few broken Japanese 4x4 s in Oman and a bogged down Mercedes 4x6 concrete mixer wagon off a building site in Dubai. It's unladen weight was about five times the weight of the 110.
I concur, VW ASTRAALIA are. Absolutely SHit 💩💩💩, 2017 Amarok with 133,000kms got a broken rear diff. VW deemed this fair wear and tear and requested I pay $25860.30 for a complete rear axle. A complete rear axle was required because their dealer could not source the “special” tools to replace planetary gear set or more likely the skill set to rebuild their diff. I declined their offer to repair at $25860.30 and advised NSW NCAT can determine if 130,000 km is a fair life out of a rear diff. Absolute tosses!
Easiest category to search is station wagon. They're getting thin on the ground and I'm in the market. VW Passat is currently top of my list but if Mazda puts the inline 6 in the Mazda 6 and makes it in a wagon I'd be tempted
Right right right about vw, no words are bad enough for this brand in modern times.
No need to tell my experience accept to say useless repairs cost me a motza with no end in sight. DO NOT BUY.
1: Ram LDV Reno and all Atiko
2: Alpha fiat lotus peugeot citreon
3: Cherry.
4: Volvo.
5: Polestar.
6: SangYong (cannot agree with the review).Muso and Rexton are great vehicles. He says this as they are huge competition to Triton (which i own a Triton 2020 with crap peeling paint & rust and shoddy brand accessories).
7: Jeep.
8: Land Rover & Jaguar (owned by Tata).
9: Mercedes Benz. 17:11
10: Honda 19:44 criticisms but no facts. Honda now has 7yr warranty again.
11: Tesla 21:05 says cant even make the cyber truck but it has been released.
12: Volkswagen (+skoda) 23:12 "criminal org" i have to agree. Jeta was worst vehicle i have ever owned or i know of being owned.
13: 25:00 Nissan... berates range. Nissan remain highly reliable yet he can only criticise on the basis of Nissan reselling data & on data breaches.. which is valid but nothing to do with car build. continues to berate with little evidence.
14: gwm (brief criticisms).
BTW Mitsubishi have weak paint that rusts away within first 2 years of owning a new vehicle. Brand accesories such as bed liner are of poor construction.
Clasps in tail gate lock fail and take months for warranty replacement.
interior vinyl is worn within 12 months so cannot stand normal wear and tear. Many other issues. Mitsubishi is no better than these other brands.
Tesla Cybertrucks can’t even be washed in sunlight or they’ll stain, they’re actual rust buckets, dangerous and at the rate they’re being manufactured by the person who “knows more about manufacturing than anyone else alive” many will be picking up their cyber truck in the mid to late 2030’s. Tesla resale prices reflect the shitboxes that they are. And of course who’d want to give their hard earned to an underpants stain like Musk anyway.
I have been thinking about buying a new Mahindra Pik Up. I wonder if it's a good idea vs keeping my old Navarra. I can't afford any of the mainstream 4x4 utes and the LDV, GWM and SsangYong are non starters for me. But maybe I could afford a Mahindra and they were not mentioned in today's report! Two thumbs up then! Best idea I've ever had in fact!
I had one for 6 years was a strong and reliable ute ,got absolutely smashed on resale though so keep that in mind
John may have based this report on the VFACTS list of manufacturers, and Mahindra is one of the very few who doesn't participate.
@@karlcraig7214 yeah I figured that would be a problem, and having to wait months for parts if I needed them.
Same here, except I've been thinking about a new Wagon and the Scorpio has got me thinking. Main concern for me is spare parts and aftermarket support but damn it's depressing to see what people are still asking for 2nd hand Toyota's / Isuzu's etc with well over 100k on the clock
They have a very good reputation in Africa-especially South Africa.
What a much needed and perfectly made video. I did enjoy that.
Thank you John
"Weasel word generator", I can't stop chuckling at that one JC. Love your unfiltered opinion!
The truth about Tesla is hard to swallow as my next car will be an EV (I have the very suitable usage case).
I'm waiting for the Model 2 to materialise to compare to BYD's Dolphin. (but I quietly suspect the Dolphin is better holistically)
I still can't nut out whether a Novated lease is better financially than purchasing outright (no finance required)
I'm a fan. Love the vitriol and sarcasm. I don't care much about cars, but i really didn't either when i watched Top Gear. It was all about three Pommy blokes (Hammond, May and Clarkson) making commentary when doing something blindingly stupid and funny on (mostly) four wheels (sometimes two, like in Vietnam, or ridiculously turning a car into a boat)
I am well aware of ateco being as I am a delivery driver for a large transport company .
I am also aware of bmw and ford , heh .
Let’s just say the majority of parts I deliver EVRY day , are parts that shouldn’t need replacing on cars after a few months .
A highly informative, and highly entertaining commentary. Thanks heaps John Cadogan! Really enjoyed it. Also as a Honda HRV owner from the last decade, I take your advice on not renewing my relationship with Honda and looking elsewhere. P.S. Do car companies have mind control to attract certain personalities to their products? I refer to the Subaru drivers who appear to be oblivious to their surroundings in traffic. Just sayin'.