Francis ISN'T a Heretic; Here's Why w/ Ralph Martin
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- This clip was taken from a recent livestream with Ralph Martin. Watch the full livestream here: h • The State of the Churc...
In this clip, Ralph shares why-in his opinion-Pope Francis is not a heretic, despite other popular Catholic personalities saying he is.
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I feel like we are dealing with an “The Emperor is Wearing no Clothes,” situation. These technical mental gymnastics may make people who support “pope” Francis at all costs feel better, but think for a moment how this looks to outside parties such as people thinking about converting to Catholicism or Protestants or Orthodox? To an outsider Francis clearly teaches heresy on a regular basis. He has been openly teaching heresy for 6 years now since the contraception/zika virus situation which occurred a few month before all the heresy in Amoris Laetitia. This is scandalous and not acceptable. Francis is destroying Catholic sensibility and making it possible to rationalize anything. And theologians are not helping. They are simply coming up with silly rationalizations for why this is ok. By the way things are going we now need to have a PhD in theology to understand basic Catholic teachings in light of the words of Francis. This is ridiculous and we must call it out for what it is.
Amen. There have been several Antipopes
The title enough just makes me sick. People like Trent, and Matt that have a following need to be more vocal against francis actions, and as you said not do all these semantics to make him look better. Just look at what he did with pachamama (pagan Idol). Some Catholics are hanging on by a thread to their tradition but at this rate it wont last long.
As someone thinking about converting to Catholicism and pretty close to it, I couldn't disagree more. I was very worried about this stuff initially because of alarmist videos (I'm sorry to say, apologetic videos like this one didn't help either). I think people get themselves really worked up talking about Francis, about things he said. They don't _mean_ to, but they wind up taking him out of context. In this very video they talked about how Francis said "God wills diversity in religion" but they didn't review Francis's full statements on the matter. And it's especially scandalous here, where the original statements are discussed without context, so the only "context" we have are Catholics worrying about what it means and trying to psychoanalyze the pope. If you get stuck in this kind of echo chamber where you spend more time listening to people dissect like 50 things the pope said or did than you spend listening to the pope himself, it's easy to work yourself up into a scandalous frenzy and think the Church is crumbling before your eyes.
I think if you pray for a new, sympathetic heart, and go and read some of Francis's writings yourself, watch some of his speeches, go look at a compilation like "Pope Francis on..." from Mark Mallett's blog, you'll come out with a different impression. That's how it was for me. I spent a good couple months worrying about this, about what it means, and asking people for guidance. I was convinced of the truth of the whole story of Jesus and his Apostles, of their Acts, the formation of the Church and so on. So it was very clear that I needed to join the Catholic Church since it's the "real one," i.e., the one referred to in Acts and various epistles. And that's all tied up together with Jesus' promise that the gates of hades shall not prevail against the Church. So what could it mean for my conversion if the Catholic Church is already falling? I couldn't just be a "homeless Christian." In my mind, the Catholic Church apostatizing could even be taken as evidence that Christianity as a whole is not true.
So I was worrying about this a lot, digesting as much as I could on the matter. After a couple months I noticed that, in spite of all my effort, I hadn't spent much time actually listening to Francis. I think I was predisposed against him, because early on I heard from people who were calling him a heretic, saying he rejects ancient teachings, etc., and I was trying to get as close to the ancient, authentic tradition as possible. So I didn't give him much of a chance. I only read the parts of his writings that were under fire from his critics.
And then I came across some articles quoting Francis on specific issues, which made it very clear to me that he is nowhere near as liberal as people are implying. His favorite book, one he recommended to ALL Christians, is Lord of the World by Robert Hugh Benson. Anyone who finds that book profound and important is definitely not a liberal theologian. Again, I would recommend looking up "Pope Francis on..." by Mark Mallett. It covers virtually every issue of concern except divorce and the Extraordinary Form. Frankly, although I was heavily biased in favor of traditional Latin Mass, since I've been reading Francis's writings with an open mind I am beginning to see where he is coming from.
It's important to recognize that the majority of people are not scholars. Most do not study things deeply. I'm sorry to say that many people are moved by sound bites and conspiracy theories more often than by sound reasoning. Just as many protestants will be convinced of anti-Catholicism by Jack Chick's offensive cartoons, there are many Catholics who will be convinced of false conspiracy theories because of their social associations and predispositions. So, with that in mind, I think it's absolutely right to say that divisions are seriously dangerous to the Church. They fuel these kinds of conspiracy theories. They are responsible for the Palmarian movement, for example.
I have noticed that in my city, many of the parishes conduct the Mass in 2 or 3 languages: English, Spanish, and Vietnamese. This really bothers me, honestly. From my point of view, this is directly causing self-segregation among the parishioners. The white people all go to English Mass; the latino people to Spanish Mass; the Vietnamese all go to Vietnamese Mass. And so they remain stuck in these little boxes. I have steered clear of those parishes on purpose because I don't want to be boxed in. I'm still very new to Catholicism, but so far I sympathize with the local Norbertine parish and abbey, precisely because they don't segregate in this way. Although it has its faults, I think it's far better for us to have a single lingua franca, a liturgical language, than to split the parish into 3 separate groups that rarely see each other, just so everyone can more easily understand the liturgy. Frankly, it should be on us to learn whatever language we need to learn. I shouldn't mind learning Spanish if that was the language the Mass was offered in.
So with that example in mind, I think you can begin to see where I'm going with this. Missal divisions should be kept to a minimum as a general rule. I think longstanding traditions should be respected, though, so they can't be culled from history just for the sake of preventing division. However, another factor is scandal. I think Francis is especially motivated against the Extraordinary Form because he sees it as an entry point, a kind of "gateway drug" to the SSPX and then on to sedevacantism. I think there is a real problem with the politicization of religion right now. The breakdown in communication in society generally is making its way into religion, such that parishes are splitting along political lines and isolating thereafter.
This is extremely dangerous, because 1) isolated liberal factions will just get progressively more liberal until they become basically atheist hobby clubs; and 2) isolated conservative factions will get more and more extreme and reactionary, hoping to freeze the liturgy and tradition at a single arbitrary point in time (not understanding that the earliest Masses were very different from the Tridentine Mass), and becoming more and more vulnerable to conspiracy theories that ultimately result in schism, which is exactly what we're seeing right now.
I don't think this problem is insurmountable, and hopefully there are better ways to resolve this that don't feel like they're targeting a particular group along political lines, but my point is that I can at least imagine a coherent motivation for Francis to do this that doesn't involve heresy. I'm not saying he's right, that he made the right choice. Just that I understand why people say these are prudential mistakes, not heresies. Similarly, Francis' statements about divorce make sense in the context of trying to plug holes in the boat. They're imprudent and a bad trade in the long run, but we can clearly see that he means well and he is not formally altering doctrine.
It's still possible for him to be anathematized in the same way previous popes have been anathematized for imprudence. But to gossip about him during his pontificate undermines the Church. What is there to gain from doing so? Do you think it's possible to go start a new sect and carry on like nothing happened? There's nowhere else to go. There is no procedure for "restarting the Church." All pretenders are just that, pretenders. Criticizing his opinions is great, especially if you can actually correct him to his face to have an effect on his future statements and actions. But calling him a heretic? What about the people saying he's not Catholic, that he's not really the pope?
Just as you sought to justify your opinions of Pope Francis by pointing out how scandalous he might be to prospective converts, think about how scandalous your uncharitable commentary about Francis is for the same prospective converts. That kind of hyperbolic language contributes further to false conspiracy theories that ultimately lead people to sedevacantism, protestantism, Eastern Orthodoxy, other world religions, or atheism.
Very well said my friend you are well spoken and enlightened I used to be one of those critics but no longer
@@ToxicallyMasculinelol you can hear PF’s exact words in his Papal Audience recordings. You can also find them in the translation sections as well. You’d be interested to find out that the American English translation is constantly different from other translations. The Pope IS very scandalous and a danger to our faith as he stands by doing nothing to correct doctrinal error and bends over backwards to appease and applause apostates. I do not say this to discourage converts, on the contrary, rather than to let them blindly accept all hierarchical authority as theologically sound, but to read the sacred scriptures, the thousand year old Councils, Aquinas, Doctors of the Church, etc rather than to jump to the defense of the indefensible! Ambiguity is a special trait of modernists! Modernism in any form is heresy. We are called to be “in the world, but not of the world”! Ave Maria!
What about the teaching in Amoris Laetitia about allowing people who are divorced and remarried receive communion? He's not upholding traditional morals when teaching as pastor and teacher of all Christians. Isn't this the slippery slope? Will allowing homosex really be that big a deal ten years from now if divorce and remarriage isn't that big a deal today?
Exactly what I was thinking - this needs to be directly addressed in a follow up with Mr. Martin
I could be wrong but think that's a matter of practice, not faith or dogma necessarily, so it doesn't qualify as heresy
@@Frankly7 What is the definition of heresy?!
Clearly, the word has a diffferent meaning in the post Vatican II Church. So arguing endlessly about what position is heretical without a common understanding of the word is useless.
It's already happening. The German bishops are already "blessing" same-sex so-called unions.
Pope Francis can't be considered a heretic because he doesn't impose something wrong, he gives his direction to the church, but he doesn't obligate nobody to follow his direction. If he has done something bad or evil, he has to confront with God because technically he is in the right position in the church.
1:34 "A heretic is someone who persists against all kinds of reasoning and dialogue on a position that is clearly outside the pale of the church. Pope Francis isn't doing that" I just wanna preface my following comments with saying that I appreciate that Ralph is trying his best to give Pope Francis every benefit of the doubt.
Although Pope Francis has not specifically made statements in direct contradiction to scripture or tradition of the faith or of morals, such as formally teaching that "we" (the church) have been wrong on our (for example) teaching of homosexuality, Pope Francis has allowed those leading parishes (specifically some notorious German Bishops) to continue to preach this exact kind of heresy. So while it may be semantically incorrect to refer to Pope Francis as a heretic, what do you call someone who does nothing to correct actual heresy, as previously defined? A heretic apologist? A heretic enabler?
As Ralph said, it's dereliction of governing responsibility at the very least, there's no getting away from it if the allegations are true.
Isn't it persistent when he refuses to correct the wrong? Where is the answer to the Dubia?
I usually go with HERETIC
He's a material heretic if you ask me, if not a formal heretic. He supports heretical teaching by not condemning it -- or at least gives the appearance of it. But based on what I've seen in his pontificate, he supports these things. He's a modernist.
@@Straitsfan semantics
If I am Pope and permit others to teach heresy, they are heretics but I am not ?
Amen!
I agree, it doesn't seem right to hold on to a thechnicality to defend what is so clearly wrong
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I love to see a conversation between Matt and Taylor to discuss these issues.
Not a hope,
He may have had a challenging discussion but I've never seen TM in a debate. please post a link if you have it.
@@sozonpv because TM is primarily interested in likes it seems to be his monetary choice.
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That's unlikely as Matt Fradd would never associate with Dr. Marshall. They're too sides of this debate. One trying to still hold on to the idea that V2 and the NO is somehow Catholic, while the other points out clearly how it isn't and makes
We need to pray for the pope. Jesus taught us clearly about the power of prayer and about love. Let's pray together for our pope, with faith, perseverance and love. God bless you all.
We should pray for his conversion not his intentions.
@@RedWolf5 great point.
More importantly, we should pray for Francis's victims. The spiritual devastation caused by him is enormous.
@@RedWolf5 pray for your own conversion. What makes you think you're better? That's pride
@@pedroparamo891 I do pray for my own conversion everyday and to remain in the true faith until my last day.
I don’t think you understand what’s going on here, Francis is the one who seems to think he is above the traditional teachings of the church.
I think you have to keep it simple and simply look at what you are witnessing. Don’t read into the Pope’s actions or try to interpret them. His ill conceived words are leading people down the wrong path. We need a Catholic church that doesn’t move with the world but rather moves the world.
In short... words are louder than actions?
Every week it's "well, the pope didn't REALLY mean that, what he meant to say was....". I've never experienced a pope who needs so many of the things he says corrected post-hoc
People need to realize too that there are a lot of nefarious and evil media outlets who deliberately misinterpret or mistranslate what Pope Francis says in order to champion him as "the liberal's pope'. I don't know how many times I've seen a 1 or 2 word quote in a headline surrounded by the liberal journalist's own interpretation.
Pope Francis makes a lot confusing statements but people don't understand that they go through a lot of filters before we get to read it.
He means what he says, he is consistently wrong.
@@elizabetha6265 I think for me what is at issue is that it's taking 3rd party folks like Bishop Schneider to report that that is what the Pope didn't mean, but we can't get a formal correction from the Pope himself that he didn't mean it that way. And to me that is trying to acquiesce to both sides of the playing field when there should be no playing field at all. I just don't think Pope Francis has the integrity or the humility to either correct the errors that he may have misspoke nor does he have the prudence and temperance to not recognize that while he, being an individual human being, occupies the Office of Peter....that he doesn't understand when he is being asked as "Pope" and not as "Jorge". He simply doesn't understand the conformity of the self to office so as to encompass the entirety of the Church within the answers he gives to questions from people who are encouraging him to act contrary to his office.
Pope Francis persists in refusing to answer the Dubia. He persists in not publicly repenting of idol worship. If such a thing as passive aggressive heresy is ever defined, this pontificate will serve to illustrate it.
Agree Completely - this sounds a lot like "Mental Gymnastics", and (forgive me) Legerdemain.
The "Barn" is on fire, but we shouldn't alarmed because its "Just" a wood-fed fire, and gasoline-fed fires are worse?????
SO its ok??? SMH....
"PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE HERESY" lol
PERFECT
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So the pachamama incident wasn't the least bit heretical?
We need answers to this question specifically!
Pedro Gabriel of Where Peter is did a good defence of the pachamama incident on reason and theology.
Exactly!
One would think so since it breaks the 1st Commandment. But, not when it comes to declaring someone a heretic.
Remember when JPII kissed the Koran?
Why not bring Dr. Taylor Marshall to your show Matt?
Great idea!
If this meeting with Dr. Taylor Marshall happens can the topics to be discussed include the distinction between Canon Law and Divine Law and also the teachings of all previous Popes pertinent to the controversial statements being made by Pope Francis?
Also , if possible can Brothers Peter or Michael Dimond of MHFM be also included ? If I am not mistaken you had non-Catholic guests in your shows before.
No please don’t bring Taylor Marshall onto this show…
Becuz he is a chicken!
just how bad does it really need to get....
I’m not sure you can say Pope Francis isn’t persisting with error, when he is called out for his comments he chooses silence rather than to correct or clarify his words or actions, this is a deliberate decision which is leading to much confusion. If he is being misinterpreted he simply has to say so. It’s a shame no one gets to publicly ask him so we can get clear answers and some certainty.
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Look also at Dioscorus who refused to appear at the Council of Chalcedon to be judged.
Yes silence can speak volumes.
He has no need to defend himself. Read his writings and stop nitpicking.
To cite a few examples:
Pope Francis participated in idol worship; actively supports homosexual prelates; and declared that Catholics should not try to convert non Christians. The only thing more unbelievable is attempting to claim he’s not a heretic.
Sophistry and nonsense.
Yeah, I forgot about Francis being told about Mckerrick (sp?). Was it Schneider or Vigano who personally spoke with Francis and handed the info on his evil deeds, and then Francis promoted Mckerrick.
After all, who is he to judge? Is he his brother's keeper?
My thoughts exactly.
You are wrong. he has never done and spoken anything what is not written on the Bible or catechism. Have you ever read fully the Bible and catechism? Obviously not because you are saying lies, temerity and perjury against Francis. JPII also received indigenous and pagans people likewise St Peters, but never rendered adoration to idols. (Acts chapter 10.) Study before doing false accusations.
There is nothing offical coming from the pope about worshiping pashamama, he condemned same sex marriage before saying its against God’s plan, he condemned proselytizing but encouraged evangelization which means we have to share the Gospel but not with a spirit of Pharisees
@@apostlesoftheimmaculatehea8081 He received a "blessing" from one of the witches who was a part of the Pachamama idolatry which he permitted to take place in the Vatican. This act alone constitutes public defection from the faith according to any traditional theologian (I'm thinking Garrigou-Lagrange right now as my main source). The grounds for this, of course, is that the first commandment forbids the simulation of false faiths, including participating in their rites and kneeling to their idols. Likewise for JP II kissing the Koran, by the way, just for one other example of conciliar papal heresy.
He knows what he is doing, which is why he never responded to the Dubia.
He has stated countless heresies.
How about he doesn't believe in a Catholic God?
When people bring up his heresies he ignores it and moves on. He doesn't take it back,or make a correction
@@matthewbroderick6287 you referring to yourself as the liar?
How about when he said he didn't believe in a physically resurrected Christ.
Give me the link to where he responded to the Dubia.
@@matthewbroderick6287 justify him bowing down to the pacha mama
Yes, it is deeply concerning. Actions and lack of actions, some funny business too such increasing the involvement by laity in things that only the clergy should be involved in. It’s the modernist agenda as I’m sure you know. But ultimately it is God’s justice that only matters, so we pray for him.
@@CMaj1506 He covered up for Mckerrick after being personally handed the info. Tell me how that was ok?
@@CMaj1506 when it came to the James Martin lifestyle he said,
Who am I to judge?
Apparently, no issue.
No problem with him being involved with the murder of those priests during the Pinochet period. I have Latina friend who sends me stuff we don't see I'm the English news due to the masonic control of our media.
Francis is hated in South America for all the evil he was involved with during the Pinochet reign
I have a question regarding practicing heresy .Is the repeated use of Pachamama veneration considered a heretical practice ? Would love an answer if possible. God Bless you both🙏
Idolatry is usually not considered a heresy as there is no Truth or Catholic teaching that is being twisted or misinterpreted, in violating the 1st Commandment. Likewise we would not call adultery a heresy. Idolatry by a Catholic is an act of Apostasy.
Idolatry, however, is putting something in place of God. Money, for example or the self, or ambition, or drug s, or sex. Veneration of something that is considered a god or a goddess in this, instance, is absolutely a heresy. If I, an outspoken and devout Catholic, kneel down and worship at the feet of pachamama statues, then I have committed a heresy by honoring (Latria, which is honor given to God alone) another god. Now, is Pope Francis guilty of this. I am not 100% sure. My problem is that, even if he is not a straight up heretic, he dances awfully close to heresy. The job of the vicar of Christ is to be a beacon of Truth; clear, and to the point. This Pope has not been anything but ambiguous. He has been ambiguous on the matter of pachamama and he has been ambiguous on everything else. Jesus is the light of the world. Light shines down and reveals the truth. The pope must stand in persona Christie and he is not doing that.
@@Uhlankadett However, TEACHING someone that it is okay to pray to idols would be heresy (i.e. a heretical teaching). The practice of doing such worship is idolatry.
It would be heretical to believe it's fine to honour idols of pagan deities. This would violate the first commandment.
Pope Francis took part in a worship ceremony for the Pachamama idol in the Vatican gardens, then had it installed in St Peter's, which houses the apostle's bones.
What is one to make of this? Very troubling. Francis knew it was the Pachamama goddess. He has not yet publicly apologized.
@@malcolmkirk3343 Agreed. The integration into Catholic Theology of an Idol would be a heresy. Unbelievable that here we are commenting on the euphemisms and technicalities of an anti-pope sitting on his backside in the Vatican Gardens while religious and laypeople give profound bows and words of praise to an Amazonian Fertility goddess right in front of him after processing her into the Temple of God(St. Peter's/St. John Lateran) and setting up shrines inside/infomercials in other Church's.
Terminal nice guys these two on this issue: let’s allow the man who refuses to even acknowledge the Dubia, the man who refuses to respond to archbishop Vigano’s accusations, the man who wanted Cardinal McCarrick to finalize a secret deal with the Communist Party of China to suppress the church in China in exchange for financial support to the Vatican, let’s give this man the benefit of the doubt. Let’s give the man who won’t shut down Cardinal Marx and the German heresies the benefit of the doubt while he appoints the majority of bishops and Cardinals in the world and pushes the church over the edge of modernism. The man who calls for dialogue with everyone except people who love the Latin mass. To my mind, the failure to retract clearly heretical statements is persistence in error when we’re talking about the titular pope. It’s really not important whether you can convict Bergoglio of heresy,considering that he is fomenting and facilitating the modernist takeover of the church. Defending Bergoglio this long into his pontificate is wilful blindness or worse coming from people who should definitely know better. It is not being sly as a serpent. The prophet Samuel had no problem calling out King Saul when he broke God‘s Commandments. Taylor Marshall is just speaking simple truth. Everyone needs to call out Bergoglio.
Could not agree with you more. The Pope has been given his due deference. This is long beyond the pale. The father of the house is habitually beating and abusing his children. He needs to be dealt with
Amen!
Exactly!
I feel Bergoglio's election was as legitimate as Joe Biden's.
Strange we have such a president, cino,
and Bishop of Rome, bino.
Consiliar church, confused America.
No clarity from the Bishop of rome...
_ in name only...
Preach it brother. And I’ll wager you came to this conclusion without having advanced degrees. Christianity isn’t as complicated or complex as many would lead you to believe. Otherwise those fishermen and tent makers likely would not have spread the gospel the way they did.
I would say I'm not sure whether Pope Francis is teaching heresy by its formal definition. I do not have that knowledge so on that question I would defer to someone more knowledgeable. That said, I believe that we can say without a shadow of a doubt, that Pope Francis teaches things that give scandal, which again, I'd be willing to hear opinions of people who disagree, though I believe that that point is more clear.
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I mean he openly prayed to false gods
Taylor Marshall did not say that Fr. Bergoglio was a heretic. He said that what Fr. Bergoglio said was heretical. He made very clear that he could not declare anyone a formal heretic. Ralph Martin is splitting hairs, saying that Fr. Bergoglio has not persisted in teaching heresy despite correction. I believe he is arguably wrong on this point. Cardinals attempted corrections of Fr. Bergoglio’s teachings by issuing a dubia, which Fr. Bergoglio ignored.
If a pope presides over worship of a pagan idol in the Vatican Gardens, featuring latria to a false God, then participates actively in planting a tree with Pagan tokens in it, then has the abomination processed into St. Peter’s Basilica, placing it over the bones of St. Peter, then accepts offerings to the abomination at the altar, and has prayers published to it, what do you call it? Fr. Bergoglio did all these things and never recanted. He actively mocks everything Catholics believe, and we scratch our heads and say, “sure, but that doesn’t meet the definition of heresy, so it’s all good.”
We know we saw with our own eyes the pope publicly violating the first commandment and leading others to participate in worship of a false god. Figure it out, Mr. Martin. Calling Fr. Bergoglio a heretic would be more generous than he deserves. What other labels might fit? Idolator? Apostate? Betrayer of Christ? Enemy of the Church? The destroyer, prophesied by St. Francis?
Very well put.
AMEN! AMEN!
Two words for a father who chooses to scandalize his spiritual children: mill stones
LET'S GOOO!
He accuses Pope Francis of being a heretic constantly.
With ALL due respect to Mr Martin, whose book I've read and loved for its faithfulness, it doesn't really matter if Pope Francis meets the Code of Canon Law definition of heresy when he is not responding properly to the biblically proscribed and supported requirement for repetance (as explained in Matthew) when one or more brothers in the faith have something against him.
Whether intentional or not, the Pope has placed unbiblical stumbling blocks in the way of others (who are truly seeking and/or walking with the Lord) and he is not lifting a finger to remove them as he should. Any mature Christian knows and does better than that, especially after being corrected by a fellow elder who has Scripture on his side.
We are to live our faith in word AND deed, not one or the other. And that applies to Pope Francis far more than it does to the rest of us because of his position of influence. What the heart believes the mouth speaks and by their fruits you will know them. Pope Francis needs to repent and make things right by God and us all.
In Christ,
Andrew
Absolutely, read my comment further down the list, about 290 down.
You have left yourself and us down on this one Ralph. If this is the sort of stuff that is in your book, I won't be in a hurry to read it.
Totally agree with your standpoint on this. Ralph Martin is waxing over everything. Francis has been wrong on many ambiguous on many occasions. It's plainly wrong. I'm disappointed with Ralph Martin. Expected better.
@@matthewbroderick6287 Has he not WORSHIPPED contrary to the faith in the Vatican Gardens before the Pacha Mamma? Had he not encouraged prayers to such pagan gods, and approved of others doing the same? Has he not tacitly approved of homosexual unions by not voicing opposition, and by promoting Bishops who approve of such relationships. Has he not stood down, when he should stand up in opposition to such things in Germany, and in the USCCB?
@@matthewbroderick6287 Please apologize to Anthony as you are misinformed. On 2-22-2022, Bergolio in the Papal Audience chambers stated, ".. Let us consider, dear brothers and sisters, that in Christ no one can ever truly separate us from those we love because the bond is an existential bond, a strong bond that is in our very nature; only the manner of being together with each of them changes, but nothing and no one can break this bond. “Father, let us think about those who have denied the faith, who are apostates, who are the persecutors of the Church, who have denied their baptism: Are these also at home?”. Yes, these too, even the blasphemers, everyone. We are brothers. This is the communion of saints. The communion of saints holds together the community of believers on earth and in heaven....." This is in contradiction to what the Church has INFALLIBLY Taught.. Deniers of the Faith, Apostates, deniers of their Baptism are NOT a part of the Communion of Saints.
When you have to really try so hard to cover the pope's statements by legal semantics to save calling him a heretic it's a sad day for us all.
I think that Ralph does have a point that He isn’t probably technically a heretic based on the definition from canon law. However it doesn’t really bring any comfort because he obviously still makes comments that are false or are unclear or are imprudent.
I think Ralph is right in saying we can acknowledge the bad or incorrect stuff being taught but yet not make definite statements on him or what he thinks he is doing. Because at the end of the day we honestly don’t know
I was thinking the same exact thing here. The fact where even in this territory is a problem.
Well to accuse a Christian of being a heretic is a serious allegation, like labelling a citizen of a country a traitor to that country is deadly serious.
Making sure they are what you call them is honesty, not just legal semantics.
I agree of course, it is a bitter thing, that our highest mortal head should cause so many to needlessly stumble as the Chuch he is charged to administer in this world is encircled and often infiltrated by unspeakable evil.
@SG 1 We do have the purview to correct the Pope, as do all of the baptized priesthood from every part of the Body of Christ! To show God's love to the Pope or anyone is to confront them with their errors and sins and compel them to repent! None of us are above or beyond that, including the Pope!
In Christ,
Andrew
@SG 1 For why should I be judging outsiders? Is it not your business to judge those within? - 1 Corinthians 5:12
I seriously think both of you need to open your eyes. I will pray for you both
The Pope is perhaps not a heretic in the strict sense of the word, i.e., not formally a heretic. Taylor Marshall has never said Francis is formally a heretic. Marshall has said that Francis has objectively taught heresy. Which he has.
Disappointed that you didn't even touch on the subject of the pachamama. I should add that though PF does not persist with one heresy, he quickly moves on to another.
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If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…. Guess what? He’s a heretic. Btw the logic presented is flawed. 🤦♀️
Calls someone else's logic flawed and refers to a duck phrase as the hammer blow of heresy..
@@MikeyJMJ So you actually think I’m going to write a dissertation for TH-cam? On this topic there more authoritative minds than yours/Martin who have concluded that this pope is a heretic. Btw we’ve had them in the past. Nice try and thanks for playing.
@@MikeyJMJ K.I.S.S.
The Pope taught Amoris laetitia and doubled down on his teaching.,Which says divorced ,and remarried Catholics, who have not received their annulment can receive the body, blood, and divinity of Jesus, isn't this heresy...?
I wish Pope Francis would start clarifying what he says. I also wish he would stand up for people who are actually trying to live out the faith at least 10% as much as he stands up for people promoting heresy and deliberately and unapologetically living outside the faith
Didn’t Frank once say something about deliberately creating confusion….well, he certainly has done that with his ambiguity.
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I'm afraid that if he clarifies his positions, and does it honestly, he will become a heretic.
@@joanjust8241 "Frank"?
Brother, it may be the time to consider that no heretic can be a Pope and thus sedevacantism is true
Have him on Taylor's show to discuss. I mean we're all catholics who love the truth and are willing to debate right?
Lol
When has Taylor Marshall ever put himself forward for a debate?
Taylor Marshall talks smack but doesn't debate at all
@@adanherrera5515 He deletes comments from those who try to correct his misinterpretations of the Pope's words.
@@alexchristopher221 sad thing he likes to criticize but doesn't like being corrected
Doesn’t encyclical Fratelli Tutti count for as a formal heretical teaching? It speaks directly against Bible, like Matt. 13,27-38 and John 1,12-13. Is not heretical if the pope during his 9 years pontificate doesn’t clarify to the faithful whether he believes in hell or not?
Good points
Taylor only acts out of love for the Church
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Thank you both for this most necessary clarification! Very helpful. Confusion is really painful so this is a balm for anguished hearts! God Bless you both.
Ralph Martin means well, but he makes a major blunder. The discussion is not whether 'Francis is a heretic.' The discussion is: >>>> Can a Catholic follow Francis?
Yes, exactly, this is one the biggest problems but nobody has the courage to address this because it leads to very uncomfortable questions.
Thankfully we already have historical precedent for this situation which we can use as a guide, but I agree, this is the crux of the matter. There is no middle ground between Ultramontanism and Liberal Catholicism, the former is true Catholic teaching, the latter an evil usurpation of the Church and its entire hierarchy. Pope Francis is clearly a Liberal Catholic who is teaching error through the oft-used Liberal strategy of ambiguity.
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No, your pope does not have this authority.
Pray for Pope Francis and the Catholic Church
@@matthewbroderick6287 Yes when i say pray for Pope Francis and the Catholic Church, is this not what we do anyway? It would be such a great blessing if Pope Francis was praying for me to. So many out there watching videos of those who constantly criticise Pope Francis and priests, stirring up more anger and tension and less prayer! Behind each Priest there is a demon fighting for his fall. If we have the language to criticise them we must have twice as much to pray and support them. St. Therese
@@matthewbroderick6287 No i have never read the encyiclians by Pope Francis but i believe he is the Pope for these times, something will happen and this is the reason this Pope has been chosen for the current time we are living in. Pray and fast, pray the Rosary, go to confessions as often as possible go even for venial sins, be like the saints. Anyone who is constantly criticising the Pope stay away from them, or constantly criticising anyone, without offering up prayer for the person or situation, can become in a state of serious sin
Who said he was a Heretic?
All you need is a reality check. Listen to Bishop Sheen for for 30 minutes the listen to Pope Francis!
✝️ Pray the Rosary ✝️
I ask all to join me in praying daily that Our Father in Heaven would manifest The Holy Spirit, The Great Almighty Paraclete God to and in all these descendants of the Apostles of The Church of His Son Jesus The Christ, that The Holy Spirit would bring all these Bishops to repentance from their finacial corruptions and homosexual predations and all the apostosies and heresies they have promulgated in their pursuit of modernism and power, that The Holy Spirit would make ALL of these Bishops good and faithful shepards of The Church of His Son Jesus The Christ, that The Holy Spirit would protect and raise up all the bishops and priests that have remained faithful to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Let's be honest...does Pope Francis inspire fervent, Orthodox, traditional (real) Catholics to greater Faith? Look at the numbers! More are leaving the Faith than coming - at least in the West. The only dimension of the West growing exponentially are the traditional communities. Our FSSP parish had to procure another parish to accommodate their growth. Our SSPX community sees new faces and families weekly.
Yes you right but that direction has started 100 years ago, you can't say is pope Francis fault if many leave the church
@@eg2931 In100% agree. Every major event from the inception of freemasonry/modernism, Vatican II, to Paul VI to Francis has added to some degree to the decay. Francis is just the culmination if the failed experiment of the past 60-70 years or so
Is this why the last Pope of the 19th century wrote the Syllabus of Errors and the oath against Modernism?
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Pope Frankie is a Peronist and that means changing views to suit the prevailing opinion and not allow yourself to be tied down. Not the best way for the leader of the catholic church to be...
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Hm…. As a young Catholic, I don’t really care what Pope Francis said, I still think his past actions showed simple love, that’s good enough to see my father is a loving man, I don’t need a super intelligent father but rather have a true loving father. whatever Theological debate, I think I don’t need to understand all to demonstrate the simple faithful love.
Can someone who claims to be Catholic teach that atheists go to heaven?
Can someone who claims to be Catholic teach that it is a sin to proselytize Jews to convert them?
One of the main Catholic distinctions is that Catholics care for what the Pope says.
*If a future Pope teaches anything contrary to the Catholic Faith, do not follow him. ...*
_Pope Pius IX_
Dude sounds Like he's related to that other Martin.
Francis is planting a seed of confusion and doubt in the minds of the Faithful...
POPE ST. JOHN PAUL II: “To you, immigrants who find yourselves unwelcome in the lands where you have moved, we send words of encouragement. The Church has walked alongside generations of migrants in the march for a better life, and she will not cease to stand by you with every kind of service. To seasonal workers who toil stooped under the sun to provide for their families, we unite ourselves in solidarity with you in your quest for just working conditions.” -
Synod of Bishops, December 9, 1997
1:52 Has Bergoglio not actually _persisted_ in promoting Evolution and taking a distance from instant creation of each kind on days 3, 4, 5 and 6? (Plants, celestial bodies, birds and fish, land animals and men)?
This pope in particular is SO divisive WITHIN the Catholic Church and he is specifically such a deterrent to Christians OUTSIDE the Catholic Church.
A textbook 'stumbling block', some would say.
He has shown himself time again to be a leader that reflects the decline and confusion in the West, not the leader we need in order to faithfully navigate such troubling times.
So very disheartening.
Francis is not a Heretic in the same manner a married man who flirts with a female co-worker at work and after hours is not an adulterer. The married man sends slightly suggestive and playful texts to his co-worker, and defends them to his wife saying "Nothing is going on! you're too much! I tell everyone you are my wife and I am faithful to you!". And it may be true - no technical adultery has occurred. But the marriage is not being respected. Unfaithfulness, to some degree, is occurring.
A good way to describe it. Just because Francis isn't falling under heresy does not mean he isn't disrespecting the Church.
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2:55 Have not Wojtyla, Ratzinger and Bergoglio with persistence held to doctrines involving Deep Time, vz by the "Catechism of the Catholic Church"?
§§ 283 and 284 are _not persistently_ held to? Well, why are they still in print in new editions? Why are they not in square brackets with the marker "have been taken away" on the website of that "CCC"?
Regarding Bishop Schneider's correction of the Pope on that Abu Dhabi document, it was my understand that the Pope published it anyway without any corrections. Am I wrong?
Would Ralph Martin tip-toe so much if Francis were still a mere cardinal? Can we not at least affirm that what Francis has been saying is a danger to the Faith? And, if so, what have we come to that such a man is supposed to be our Chief Shepherd on earth?
Is it possible to make the distinction between formal heresy and material heresy as Taylor does?
Martin…nice guy but on this one he’s jumped the shark.
I’m not saying he is a heretic, but I’m not sure he isn’t “persisting in error” when he deliberately refuses to clarify himself when asked about matters like this. Say what you will about private correction, but when asked very direct questions, he almost never clarifies himself or corrects his mistakes. How can you say that’s not persisting in error when he never formally changes the error he made in the first place?
“…in what I have done, in what I have failed to do…”
To be fair, MANY popes have failed to do very important things correctly-seemingly for political reasons rather than serving God outright and out front.
The sin of silence
Yes, but they never publicly denied the Faith or allowed error to spread. They remained orthodox in their beliefs and doctrines. Francis? Anti-Catholic, anti-Christian and morally corrupt. It is high time he and his acolytes were driven out if the Temple.
I just want to know if I can pray for the Popes intentions so I can gain Plenary Indulgences for the Poor Souls. If he's a Heretic or a bad Pope and I pray for his intentions and those intentions are in error does that mean I support the Popes error? What does that do to the Plenary Indulgence? Don't mean to sound selfish but there are serious ramifications to consider here. What happened with Plenary Indulgences when the Laity during Pope Alexander VI (Borgia) prayed for his intentions?
Who else remembers how Catholics are supposedly no longer supposed to "proselytize" (convert) other people?
"Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 28:19
He said to not proselytize but evangelize. You guys need to start reading those Pope Francis quotes in context
Translation of Ralph Martin: "Pachapapa isn't a heretic but only barely so by the most technical of reasons."
Pedro Gabriel of Where Peter is did a good defence of the pachamama incident on reason and theology.
The first thing (of many) that makes that acrobatic is there's more than just one incident.
On Pints with Aquinas they've said a number of times that they used to defend him on that but eventually realized it was in vain. My guess is that Pedro Gabriel will eventually do te same if he hasn't already.
Yeah, Martin is completely wrong here. Francis’ alteration to the catechism on the death penalty reflects a heretical, indeed modernist, understanding of revelation. Insisting that the Church erred for 2,000 years in permitting the death penalty, which is “per se opposed to the Gospel” according to Francis, is plain heresy.
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Hmmmm…Ralph, I guess Francis is not formally repetitively teaching heresy as described by canon law BUT, at what point is his tolerance and constant support of anti-Christian teachings and fraternizing with those against a culture of life a serious affront to the orthodoxy of the church? In my way of thinking we teach by example and his example is…dare I say heretical.
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I feel like Catholics are waiting for the rooster to crow twice before finally admitting Pope Francis is in error.
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Francis says and does exactly what he means. Formerly or not he is one breath away from being a heretic. Why is he so obnoxious with his statements. For God’s sake stand up and teach church doctrine.
His accumulative affect is poison to the church.
Ralph Martin of all people should admit that Francis has already taught heresy very clearly and not recanted: not only does he teach universal salvation, but he even teaches that separation from the communio sanctorum is not even possible here:
“No one can exclude themselves from the Church. We are all saved sinners . . . “If one member suffers”, writes Saint Paul, “all suffer together . . .” (1 Cor 12:26-27) . . . we are bound reciprocally and in a profound way and this bond is so strong that it cannot be broken even by death. Indeed, the communion of saints does not concern only the brothers and sisters who are beside me in this historical moment, but also those who have concluded their earthly pilgrimage and crossed the threshold of death. They too are in communion with us. Let us consider, dear brothers and sisters, that in Christ no one can ever truly separate us from those we love because the bond is an existential bond, a strong bond that is in our very nature [supernatural existential!]; only the manner of being together with each of them changes, but nothing and no one can break this bond. “Father, let us think about those who have denied the faith, who are apostates, who are the persecutors of the Church, who have denied their baptism: Are these also at home?” Yes, these too, even the blasphemers, everyone. We are brothers. This is the communion of saints. The communion of saints holds together the community of believers on earth and in heaven” (www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/audiences/2022/documents/20220202-udienza-generale.html).
I am frankly surprised that Ralph Martin, who wrote eloquently against Balthasar’s and Rahner’s universalism, even if I have written in print that his critique of Balthasar is slightly too rough, cannot recognize Rahner’s heresies in Francis’ public words.
Ridiculous 🙄
If someone continually comes up with something new that is wrong.... never having to repeat any one of the wrongs, but just come up with a new one - can we say there's a very bad pattern here? (Narcissist do this too - once you meet one of the needs they say you are not meeting, they don't acknowledge that, they go on to the "next" thing.) It can't be denied.... And How could he "persist" in these errors if he refuses to engage anyone on them? Although, isn't he persisting in these errors by not clarifying, correcting, or apologizing for them? That leaves the errors out there pretty long, if you ask me - pretty persistent I would say.
Sounds like persistence to me
Mr Martin, so what is Francis doing that angers us because He recrucifies Christ without being a heretic according its canon law definition, please (and thank you)?
Not a fan of Pope Francis, I do love him and pray 🙏 for him and all our clergy everyday. With that said, I have put this at the foot of the cross as this is for our Lord Jesus Christ 🙏 to take care of.
I have faith in our Lord, not in men. I am done worrying and crying over this and the Lord, at least for me has come through.
I now sleep 😴 peacefully.
Will watch all my favorite videos (PWA, TAYLOR) without issue. I pray 🙏 the Lord blesses all your lives in like manner over this issue .
From the Imitation of Christ:
There will always be defects in ourselves or others that we cannot correct. These we must simply tolerate until God in his goodness sees fit to change things.
Learn how to be patient in enduring the faults of others, remembering that you yourself have many that offended others. We wish to see perfection in others but do not correct our own faults.
Yes, you make a good point.
But late is the hour, and Jesus told
St John there would be an anti christ, a false prophet and a beast...watch and pray.
Trouble is a man in his position can cause a lot of damage, as he is.
Well, I really have to say something in Defence of the pope. I am a lay person of a community that knows the Pope long before he became Pope. In Buenos Aires he stood up at 4 in the morning to pray over every square meter of the place of the Dome because the day before there was a demonstration of LGBTQ against him because he was always known as being lovingly clear about the church‘s teaching.
He always asks for prayers for him as he knows that he often speaks too loosely and to quick before thinking. That is a fault in character but not a heresy that he is well aware of and therefore asks for prayers for him.
He knows that the Cardinals around him are like wolves in sheep clothes just waiting to find a word that he said to interpret it in the way they want it to be interpreted.
He is someone who tries to find a pastoral way of spreading the Gospel and faith to most vulnerable.
He makes mistakes and it’s very easy to take sentences out of context and out of the situation where he said them and then find other interpretations than how he meant it.
The problem: when you once decided to accuse someone of having meant it in a certain way it’s nearly impossible to explain how he meant it.
And many want him to mean it differently than he does.
Being Pope is the heaviest burden one can have on earth especially in this day and age of the church. So: let us not judge, but pray for him and if we see some errors that we think are fatal, then let us write to him personally. I once did and I realized in a homily one year later he took it seriously.
So: let us not forget that after all he is also human and has a character.
And St Peter had also some character flaws that are very openly described in the New Testament. Nevertheless Jesus made him the first Pope. So why should suddenly a Pope with character flaws be a false Pope?
So let us pray for him. He needs support of us through prayer and not through condemning him. It is possible that he is more holy than we all together. And we are not the ones who have the knowledge and the power to condemn anyone.
It’s God who does it not us! And it’s God who can judge not us. We do not have the grace of looking into his heart and his mind. So we cannot judge over him. It would be better to beware that we work on our faith and stop gossiping about others that might easily be much holier than us.
Thank you, well said.✝️
We can’t judge his heart, but we can sure judge his actions. Right now, his actions tell me he is leading the Church down a dark path.
@@amandad.2322 well, do you know only his actions from the media or also the other ones? Because the media is not quite a good source to judge as it is already filtered.
There should at least be an investigation of him. He never answered the formal dubia by 4 cardinals sent to him many years ago. They only wanted clarification of his confusing statements. Not to mention his attack all these years on the traditional devout catholics and his appointments of numerous homosexual bishops, priests, archbishops. I often ask God if i am wrong about anyone, please show me. Francis should not only be prayed for, but also questioned about his confusion.
@@barbarasmith5974 well, as I wrote: the media, also the church media, is not reflecting what he thinks. It’s only speculation. And: if you want to know about his belief, read his weekly homilies. They are very clear. His statement about homosexual marriage is very clear. His clarification about which traditional parishes are allowed and why is also clear. He is not against the old rite per se, if so he wouldn’t have mentioned a parish in Paris where they celebrate the old rite and he clearified why they should continue and so on. So it is clear why. And how he made his positions clear against the German bishops is also obvious and that he is totally opposed it.
So, readjust own words and in the whole context, not passages that can be misunderstood.
Here is an interesting dilemma to the code of canon law interpretation in our current era;
if Pope Francis says or does something that can be interpreted as heresy, and fails to make a formal correction of that teaching, after being informed of it many times, he may not have to continuously announce his errors, to have a heresy persist; in our age of the internet, most things are recorded, accessible and replayed publicly, which often can cause further malformation and heretical ideas to grow and cause further damage to the faithful, leading many astray and scandalizing the rest.
In reality, we are entering into uncharted areas of Canon Law application and it is up to faithful Cardinals and Bishops to interpret for us and shepherd us in these times. As laity, we must try to be Saints and save as many souls as possible; because many will be lost in all the uncertainty and confusion. I will say this for consideration; if Pope Francis is falling into heretical grounds, I think it would be charitable of us towards him to push him to confront these issues directly rather than letting him continue in error while passively watching and dooming him to judgment. He is not getting any younger. Too often we try to "be nice" to people and let them continue in their ways, I myself am undecided on most things, but I am better off being aware if I am in error, and I often am; some things I wish I was unaware of, but regardless of the information out, I pray for him as often as I remember to, as we should pray for each other, and as I need prayers for myself.
Please include me in your prayers for Papa Francis.
Yes! My daily rosary includes prayer for his conversion. We must stand in the gap and offer our prayers and sufferings for so many who have fallen prey to confusion in these days. May God have mercy on us all.
Well said
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What about the recent appointments to key positions in the Church? What about Vigano saying Francis is in error? What about his LBGTQ appointments, support, etc? What about the SYNOD ON SYNODALITY? His support of WOMEN PRIESTS, ETC......
I think the gentleman means well but I think it's a lot safer to simply refer to the messages from our lady at La Salette in 1846 and then take a look at the current landscape of the hierarchy. You can safely do this without the danger of claiming he's a Heretic. Our lady always gives us warning and promises that through the rosary we will defeat heresies.
I don’t think he means well though. I think he’s looking out for his career. He’s not stupid 🤷♂️
@Chris O'Brien I understand. I really don't know much about this Ralph Martin guy so I refrained from casting stones. It almost seems like he's a NO regular attendee? I'm blessed to be able to attend the TLM weekly. There are a lot of regular NO attendees that seem to struggle terribly with the reality of what is happening in the Hierarchy.
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To whom it may concern: 40 catholic bishops in Germany voted yes to a text of the Synodal Way approving homosexuality, 8 voted no, 8 abstained from voting. This is the state of Catholicism in Germany. A postchristian humanist institution.
Instead of feeling "sympathy" to Marshal and Coffin why don't you invite them and ask them directly? Or too afraid they might be right? in that case I sympathise with you. God bless.
You could say the same for father James Martin
Talyer marshal wouldent have the guts to go on Matt's show....
@@annburke6705 it's not a competition but more of a pursuit of truth.
The GATES of HELL will never prevail but they’ll come right to the line!!! God bless.
✖️When Popes talk, they are associated with their authority , and they need to exercise wisdom and loyalty to God when they articulate their thinking or feeling…. ✖️It’s unacceptable to have a person in that position misinforming and misdirecting the congregation. ✖️✖️
While I treasure you both, I believe you have it wrong here. This breaks my heart … the faithful know that things are not right.
We are all questioning what Pope Francis is doing, not only what he is saying. To come out against each other because we are all trying to make sense of it? Not the answer. Yes, we do need to pray for him. To ignore his appointments and the poison he is elevating in the Church is blind.
There is a huge difference between the Gallen mafia and cardinals discussing who they believe is best suited to be the pontiff. Dear Mr. Martin, you seem far too wise not to see the distinction. God bless us all.
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Please people pray for our pope and catholic religious to be true to Jesus teachings and Gods laws and commandments and to be protected from the evil forces.
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Of course Ralph is going to say he's not a heretic. He's a corporate employee.
Romans 12:2, which tells us that we are not to conform to the pattern of the world any longer, but rather we are to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. how do we renew our mind? by the Holy Spirit in accordance with the word of God
Romans 15:4
For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. - the question is - is Pope Francis saying or giving his ascent to things that are in contradiction with the Word of God
All this stuff has made all us Catholics hate each other that’s what Satan wanted. To destroy our sense of community. Jesus mentions all of this. Matthew chapter 24 7:28.
Especially verses 9:14. “ then they will hand you over to be tortured and will put you to death and you will be hated by all Nations because of my name. Then many will fall away, and they will betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because of the increase of lawlessness, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. And this good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world, as a testimony to all the nations; and then the end will come.”
Agreed. If I have to endure people screaming at me and each other, I'd rather be more tangibly compensated, ala getting paid at my retail job for getting screamed at by Karens of all stripes.
This was recorded two years ago. What do you say today, Ralph?
Thank you for this program and bringing Martin to your program
You don’t have to be a biologist to know what a women is, and you don’t need to be a theologian to know what heresy is. It is time people talk plainly and call Francis out for his heresy. There is no other way the problem will be issues. Admonishing the sinner is a work of mercy. As Jesus said, “Let your yes be yes and your no be no, anything more is from the evil one”
Try to stay on topic so that you are not confused nor confusing others. Woman isn't a biological statement, it's a sociological one. Hence the difference between sex and gender. Science discovers and advances knowledge, it reveals deeper knowledge. If you aren't up to date with the most advanced medical science on the topic, why you're even making and confusing such a statement, maybe you should shut your ignorant mouth in the subject? It also has nothing to do with your religion, it's a complete non sequitur, except as evidence of where your version of your religion is continually mistaken: the notion that it has a monopoly on truth, ruled by decree, ignorance, and dispassion. The opposite of what it has long professed to be. You're all heretics when it comes to these truths.
Brother, I'm beginning to realize even JP2 was a heretic
He is persisting, and it is NOW beholding to the Cardinals to get him to repent. He has full control over the confusion he has sewn.
Well, in Amoris Laetitia: N. 297, Francis tell us that hell is only temporary.
That violates the doctrine of the eternity of hell. Either Christ was wrong OR Francis is wrong.
As someone who is more inclined towards the Patrick Coffin side, I sincerely pray that you're right and Francis gets his act together. It will be when the German synodal way and the Synod on Synodality is being concluded
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Heretical sympathies open to door to heretical teaching. If Pope Francis leans toward acceptance of homosexuality, then he believes in heretical doctrine; the timing just isn't right for him to change canon law.
Thank you so much for this clarification. This really helped me to see that , yes PF is saying bad things. But defining what heresy is and that ge is not “persisting” in changing a specific doctrine, this would help many of us who are notcatechized well understand what heresy is, and how he is not a heretic. It boy, he is surely saying some pretty bad things.
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Wow...Ralph Martin is covering himself. According to our Lord Jesus Christ, our ACTIONS are representative of our belief in His teaching...Thomas Kemp's In Imitation of Christ...
This is being nitpicky to the point of dishonesty. Yes he absolutely has taught many things in contradiction to scripture and tradition. And, he's the POPE. He's not a regular catholic, there's no room for "i didn't know" or "i wasn't catechized properly". Scripture explicitly says that those who teach will be held to more rigorous standards. In this case, the bigger they are, the harder they heretic.
Held to more rigorous standards, but not by you. It's not for you to judge the pope. That's for God Almighty. As has already been posted here...
"Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. I know very well that many defend themselves by boasting: “They are so corrupt, and work all manner of evil!” But God has commanded that, even if the priests, the pastors, and Christ-on-earth were incarnate devils, we be obedient and subject to them, not for their sakes, but for the sake of God, and out of obedience to Him." - Saint Catherine of Siena in St. Catherine of Siena, SCS, p. 201-202, p. 222.
@@ToxicallyMasculinelol Yes it is our duty to "judge" to the extent that we make judgments every day and scripture tells us to judge with righteous judgment. And isn't that the whole point of the church having established doctrines around theology and heresy, to judge when someone is committing heresy? I never declared myself an authority in the RCC, but it's plain to see based on his comments that Francis is not even catholic. Scripture also says not to give even the appearance of evil, so there shouldn't be debates about whether or not he supports same sex unions or socialism or whatever left wing weapon he's pushing that day. I'm not dishonoring him, he's dishonoring himself, he's dishonoring the church, he's dishonoring his office, and he's dishonoring God.
Well said.
So what would happen if Pope Francis made an ex cathedra statement on the faith and morals of gay civil unions and ordered all the bishops to recognize same sex civil unions?
Are the bishopss required to follow that as doctrine?
Pope Francis would have been burned in the Middle Ages. Just as Leo the great would have considered heresy to believe that anyone other than Jesus was conceived without the stain of original sin. What's happening now in Rome has been happening for a while, only the infallible Word of God has stayed the same.
If someone who is a Catholic and believes in all the teachings of the Church yet not accepting or following the teachings of Pope Francis isn’t that essentially saying that Pope Francis is a heretic?
The solution is very simply: as our Blessed Mother keeps telling us: do not judge - God alone is judge. Our job is to pray and leave everything else to God's wisdom.
Our Lady of La Sallette said, Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of antichrist.
St Francis prophecy, in the last days God will send an uncannonically elected Pope to destroy the Church.
St Malachy's prophecy says this is the last one.
You will judge them by their fruits.
Well said. Our judgement is highly flawed because of our imperfection. Our fallen state. We should be humble enough to recognise our own limitations and tendency toward evil.
False teachings ruin souls; pray for the souls being damned.
Ah! That is contrary to what Sacred Scripture teaches: 1 Cor. 5-7. The Church has a divine call to judge those within the Church.
@@kenfollis5558 YES!!!! This "do not judge" thing is taken out of context. If carried to extreme - "do not judge" and "leave everything to God" means do not fight back against Hitler, do not fight Japanese in the Pacific, and today - Ukraine cannot defend against Russia. This is a false and exaggerated interpretation of scripture. In the Old Testament, it was God who led the Israelites to overcome, against all odds. The "do not judge" means do not judge the soul - which we cannot. But we can, and must, make a judgement and take action while on earth. Otherwise we wouldn't have fought against Islamic terror during the Crusades.
I am a Christian but not a Catholic, and I follow this debate closely. I cannot understand how it seems to be impossible for Catholics to believe that your supreme Bishop could be false if many other bishops in the catholic church and in other churches are obviously false. . Were not the religious authorities of Jesus' day false believers?
Yes, Jesus said you will know them by their fruits, but does that mean you abandon the bride of Christ?
You will know a tree by its fruit.
Here is persisting in the interpretation of amorous latetia that allows reception of communion for adulterers. He doubled down on that position with the Chilean bishops, and he does not answer the dubia. That's just one case where he is teaching and leading God's people to perdition. What is your definition of persisting in heresy?
He declared last year in the Aula Paolo VI publicly the commandmends not absolutely binding; you dont go to hell if you trespass the commandments because he said that he knows that Christ has justified him. At another occasion he declared, that the commandments limit us, that they would be like a cheap cloth in the rain. The commandments would take from us the hope. Search for the video where he declares commandment keepers "cowards" during an homily at St. Martha.
In my opinion, not correcting IS persisting. He did the same with the Pachamama. A bishop asked him to repent. He didn’t. Rather he apologized that people hijcked the pagan idol and threw it into the river.
Unfortunately our Pope have No Courage to stand for the Truth. He wants to Accomodate Everyone claiming God's Mercy but Christ Died for the Truth and he was Clearly Against our Sins. He did Not accomodate nor accept our sinful behavior He gave us the Power of God to Repent and Sin No more.
Pope Francis job is to guard our Lord’s teachings and cannot change any teaching.
Just a test .. and some of the rad trads are jumping ship and letting their pride get the better of them.
If what they say is true what do you care about their “pride”
Francis teaching that capital punishment is inconsistent with human dignity and the Gospel and then changing the CCC to read that CP is never admissible qualifies Francis as persistently teaching against the Scriptures and 2,000 years of consistent Church teaching that CP is licit. Where are the bishops and magisterium en masse confronting Francis to recant? Except for lone voices here and there, Francis has remained unopposed and therefore in office.
sins of omission is sin nevertheless: persistent sin of omission is persistence nevertheless