Anti-Pope Francis the Heretic?
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A lot of people having been weighing in about whether or not Pope Francis is a heretic, or even an anti-pope and some surprising figures have come out to assert this very thing. Needless to say, such claims, coming from respectable voices, has the potential to cause scandal and distress in the minds of many Catholics who have relied on some of these very same voices, in the past, as sources of knowledge and encouragement in their faith. These are some of my thoughts on how lay people should respond to such claims and what responsibilities we have in the midst of them.
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Brian, as a Catholic teacher in Ontario, it has been very difficult as more and more Catholic school boards are adopting the Pride flag. I would greatly appreciate if you could create a video on this issue - something I would be able to share with my fellow colleagues. God bless.
Public funding destroyed Catholic Education.
#Pride is still a deadly sin, isn't it?
As in the days of sodom so it will be now when fire fell from the sky
Russia nukes is the modern fire that fell in sodom sky.
Woe unto 'babylon' where all abominations are committed and city of every unclean birds
The day of thy judgment draws near!
@@goodman4093 Seems to me "Fire falling from the sky" can be at least three things:
-Nuclear weapons
-Object from space
-Volcanic eruptions
We've been sinful enough to merit all three. May God give us the wisdom, courage and Grace to live well in such a time as this. 🙏🙏🙏
True faith is under serious attack, it was from the start, and for long time.
Even FSSPX are not Sedevacantists, although I still didn't shaked my suspicion.
I suspect Francis might be a "theology of freedom" agent, a marxist. But definitely there might be something wrong about Vaticanum II - it was happening during Sexual Revolution of 60ties and during that time some protestant theologians were involved in conceiveing novus ordo missae. That's some of a reasons why I'm heavily suspicious. Rome headquarters seems to be far too benign towards modern fashion of sins.
I don’t wish to make a decision about this. Thank you. But… as a Latin Mass attendee, I will also never understand why he is actively canceling Holy Mass and is stoping Priests from saying a beautiful and reverent Mass. And stopping ordinations of good holy men. Yes I am directly affected. No Holy Week Masses. Yes it hurts.
Yes, I know how you feel
You have articulated my thoughts quite well. Thank you.
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You have to make a decision on this, that is, to accept the truth that Francis is a heretic and therefore that he is not the Pope, for the Church teaches that heretics cannot hold authority in the Church of Christ by virtue of the fact that heretics aren't even Christians. Pope Paul IV taught in his apostolic constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio that the election of a heretic as the Roman pontiff would be automatically null, void and invalid even if unanimously accepted by all the cardinals.
I upvoted you, but in order to understand why Bergoglio is out to destroy the TLM, do some research into who he is. The book "The Dictator Pope" would be a good start.
Yes, but:
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty. Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of his authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
Thanks for the video!
I'm new in the Church, it helps to get these things right.
When I was a protestant, the pope and the papacy have been really difficult for me.
Despite the current crisis, I'm really happy that I've become Catholic!
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It was good for us generational Catholics as well
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It's great that you've realised that the papacy is a truth revealed by Christ. However, the true Catholic position is to acknowledge that Francis is an antipope, because the Church teaches that heretics are not Christian, nor can they hold office in the Church. Pope Paul IV taught in his apostolic constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio that the election of a heretic as the Roman pontiff is automatically null, void and invalid even if unanimously accepted by all the cardinals.
@@shunoinori Yes, however, it seems you missed the whole point of Brian's vid.
I am taking a wait and see approach and focusing on living the life I've been given in such a way as to hear, upon my death, "well done, good and faithful servant..."
This does not mean I ignore the scandalous words and actions of the Pope and his appointed officials. 😱😔 Let's just say he/they test me mightily. Pachama comes to mind.🤬🤢🤯😭
Brian, during the times of “multiple popes,” even saints got it wrong. Charles Coulombe made this point a few years ago. So yes. Lots of people can take a stand on this issue and get it wrong and still be deemed “saints.”
However-Back in the day, university history programs didn’t address any events whatsoever until fifty years had passed. I agree with that practice. We have as much expertise in this as, say, a pope has the power and expertise to tell people to get vaccinated.
Good points.
'll take Pope Francis over Putin and Krill's Ethno-Christian-nationalsitic church anyday. Pray for Ukraine!!!
The crucial point here is that those saints did not go into schism. They supported the wrong side during the controversy, but when the controversy was resolved they respected and accepted the judgement of the Church. The attitude is much more prevalent today that the Church has become a false Church. People who accept that idea are in danger.
“In the essentials unity, in the non essential liberty, and above all love”. - CS Lewis quote from Augustine
“There are people in other religions who are being led by God’s secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity, and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it … For example a Buddhist of good will may be led to concentrate more and more on the Buddhist teaching about mercy and to leave in the background (though he might still say he believed) the Buddhist teaching on certain points. Many of the good Pagans long before Christ’s birth may have been in this position”
C.S. Lewis
“I think that every prayer which is sincerely made even to a false god or to a very imperfectly conceived true God, is accepted by the true God and that Christ saves many who do not think they know Him.”
C.S. Lewis
How good and pleasant it is
when God’s people live together in unity!
It is like precious oil poured on the head,
running down on the beard,
running down on Aaron’s beard,
down on the collar of his robe.
It is as if the dew of Hermon
were falling on Mount Zion.
For there the Lord bestows his blessing,
even life forevermore.
Psalm 133
@@joshuacooley1417 Otoh, the Church today has become full of falseness; ergo the Church has indeed become a substantially false Church (considered as an incarnate, sociological institution and judged by theologically and morally sound criteria). (What's new?) So yes, ideas can be dangerous, and people believe in ideas, so people are in danger; but so is the Church, notwithstanding that "the gates of hell will not prevail..."
I appreciate your efforts here, and you do excellent work. But I do have some difficulty with your point. Whether Francis is a pope or anti-pope is definitely beyond my expertise. However, as Catholics we are all called to evangelize - to introduce the Faith to some and try to bring others back to the Faith. This presents a problem when there would appear to be two Churches, Two faiths existing side by side. The traditional, orthodox faith and the modern, progressive faith. And the current pope, while nominally head of both, appears to support the second one. In the modern, progressive church, a good Catholic can be a militant pro-abortion politician, homosexual unions may be blessed, pagan idols may be venerated, etc. The two faiths cannot logically be reconciled. And yet they can both be found at the individual parish level. And the parish priest may be attempt to straddle the two, or he may lean one way or the other.
I am a Catholic convert, but it was old-fashion apologetics that attracted me to the Catholic Church, and the current situation had turned apologetics upside down.
Well said, there are two institutional churches, but the atheist, agnostic or plain unbelievers don't care or acknowledge the "progressive" church, they only focus on the "traditional" as their target of attack or source of attraction. If the traditional church is suppressed, the progressive church will also diminish. I see it in my non believing acquaintances some of which were catholic, they don't want any church, they want to see the trad church dead but the are not going to embrace the progressive church.
Agreed.
@@antoniodesousa9723 The devout Protestants see the "progressive" church and are as scandalized as Catholics. The conservative atheists see that the hierarchy went along with the media lies over the past two years and they, too, are repulsed.
That's a fair point and one I struggle with. May God show us the way.
@@BrianHoldsworth If a person has doubts about who is pope, or if the person occupying the Chair of St Peter is canonically elected, --he can still have loyalty to the Papacy itself.
He can simply ignore a bad pope and be guided by the magisterium until such time as he is certain that a person has been elected in a valid conclave. We live in an era of apostasy. Our Lady at La Salette said that "Apostasy would begin at the top" and "Rome become the seat of the anti-Christ." We were warned. Only a remnant will stay with the church despite the scandals, many will fall away. Sr Lucia wrote long ago that we were living through Chapters 8-13 of the Apocalypse. I recommend "Unveiling the Apocalypse" by Emmett O'Regan for a useful guide for understanding the Book of Revelation as a guide for "the signs of the times."
I had great hopes for Francis when he became pope. I believed good things would come of his promise to be more pastoral and compassionate. But as his papacy unfolded, I quickly became more and more distressed over what I saw and heard. Along those same lines, a liberal French Catholic magazine recently accused Latin Mass Catholics of practicing "another faith." But if that's true, it's not because the Latin Mass has changed. The change has come since the modernizations of Vatican II. Having grown up in the church of the '70s and '80s, there were times when I felt like the Catholic church was no different from a high Protestant church. In that regard, I think Francis was inevitable. He's just a living symbol of how confused and adrift the modern church is.
All that's to say that I respect your point about social media. But I'd know that something's wrong even without it. I knew there was something wrong with the church in the '70s and '80s, long before social media existed, and I couldn't really put my finger on it until I found the Latin Mass. Then I understood what modernism had so tragically cast aside.
I think it is good to remember that there's not much we can do about it, and I agree this is where social media causes problems. Unable to take our frustration generated by social media and funnel it anywhere, we lionize the people and causes we love and villainize those we hate (cf. Russia-Ukraine), which in turn leads to an escalation of things like cancel culture and intolerance. Corporations freeze accounts and services, governments impose sanctions and draconian mandates, and it all spirals out of control until one day we're China.
So yes, some perspective is needed. But apathy is not a virtue, either. There has to be a middle ground in all this.
It is rather interesting, though, that the goals of this pope align with the goals of the people who preach "new world order" and one world government, religion, etc. That alone sends up my antennae. This issue is not going to go away, even if we try not to be curious about it.
Just a theory that came to me yesterday:
Maybe Pope Francis is well aware of the evils and inner workings of the satanic elite and he is behaving coy and actually behind the scenes helping to shine light on the darkness. If that’s the case, he has to hold his cards very close to his chest and possibly pretend to go along with the NWO bologna....?
Maybe-maybe not.
Regardless, keep a humble heart and walk with Jesus every single day.
Here’s the thing:
Pope F. is saying things like “wealth must serve the poor” and so on. That’s fine as far as it goes.
The problem is that he is saying these things to people who do not fear God. Instead, these people believe that they are gods. They do not see themselves as sinners. Instead, they see themselves as saviours.
They think this gives them the moral authority to decide what is good and what is evil. And they use that to justify the ever increasing concentration of wealth and power to themselves.
They believe in salvation without Christ. They believe in themselves as saviours.
It is the OriginalSin. And Pope Francis seems to be participating willingly in it.
"New World Order" means different things to different people. Definitely a loaded term that should be avoided in most circumstances.
Susie, unfortunately, those who bear false witness against Pope Francis, have never read any of the encyclicals of Pope Francis! Catholic Canon Law expert, Dr Robert Fastiggi, confirms that Pope Francis has never taught anything contrary to Church teaching! Pope Francis has dedicated his papacy to the Mother of God and last year to the protection and intercession of Saint Joseph! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
@@elmike-o5290 exactly true
As someone who studied philosophy "curiosity" can be an issue for me. Thanks for pointing this out because I forgot it can sometimes be a vice. Its hard not knowing things and humbly accepting that its not your role to know in this case.
over curiousity can lead to loss of focus on what is important and what needs to get addressed. It can retard action and is like a type of procrastination.
Two excellent posts. 🏆🏆
Curiosity and hunger for learning is not bad. But always ask for discernment to God. That's what I do with many things.
If we had doubts about the legitimacy of Bergoglio from the beginning, (some did, some didn't) --Wanting to learn the TRUTH is not "Idle Curiosity". As a Catholic, knowing who is Pope is a matter which DOES concern me. I would be sinning if I did not try, to the best of my ability, to learn who the real pope is.
Fearing to learn the truth on a matter which bothers us is to be a cowardly ostrich burying our head in the sands of ignorance.
At the same time we're supposed to continually seek truth
As a Catholic , I do know right from wrong and when some of the things The pope is saying and doing and who I see him associating with brings up definite red flags! There are definitely things not right going on in the papacy and I think we all know it and yes we do need to pray about it but I am not going to turn a blind eye to what I see and hear going on with this pope. I will continue to pray for the church that we get some good and wholesome direction during this time of strife in the world.
Oliver Clark
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Kathy Moyers, Please see my post on this issue to Anthony Tannas above starting by referring to the Book of Sirach
I completely agree. Knowing the truth of what’s going on is God’s role. Mine is to pray for the Pope and our Church.
Amen
Absolutely. It’s interesting to speculate but really has almost nothing to do with the average pewsitter. What can we do if he’s an anti pope? Nothing. The only impact I can think of is that if we really really think he is an anti pope, then if his Traditiones Custodis causes our local TLM to cease, then maybe we can feel more sure about going to an FSSP or SSPX Mass.
Other than that it’s just balloon juice.
"Knowing the truth of what’s going on is God’s role" to me is a slippery slope . This is how our current pontificate talks..
He is the Truth Himself, Its our responsibility to know the truth not God's.
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Francis is not a pope because the Church teaches that a heretic is not a Christian, nor can a heretic hold office in the Church. Pope Paul IV taught in his apostolic constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio that the election of a heretic as the Roman pontiff would be automatically null, void and invalid even if unanimously accepted by all the cardinals.
I've said this before, but I think it bears repeating. I'm a convert and during the process of becoming Catholic one of the things I had to face up to was the reality that I was subjecting myself to an outside authority (the Church, and the Church's leadership). I took that very seriously and there was a real fear that if I took this step, and swore to obey, then The Church might get bad leadership and I'd be stuck. Ironically it seems like a lot of Catholics never considered this possibility.
As a Protestant you can always leave, and go and do your own thing. If you are truly embracing Catholicism then that is not an option, even when the leadership is bad.
I realized that what this eventually came down to was trust in God, not in men. It came down to the question, do you really believe that God guides and protects the Church?
It all comes down to whether or not you really truly believe that God is in control, and that he is guiding and protecting the Church.
If we accept this as true, then as Mr. Holdsworth says, it isn't our responsibility to pass judgement on those who are in positions of authority. It is not our responsibility to raise them up or to knock them down.
In the past God has tasked people within the Church with issuing corrections to officials, but that is a lot different than talking on social media and fomenting disunity and discord.
Amen! Perfectly stated and as a convert, I completely agree.
Yup. (As another convert.) It's one thing to endure the trial of bad human leadership, another thing to lost hope in God over it. I didn't become Catholic because of the excellence of Catholics (sorry to say). I became Catholic because I believe God founded this Church and I need Him. And this is where I need to follow Him to receive Him. So, here I am.
A role is not an authority. Keeping or allowing inseparability and qualitative equality of an identity (who one is) and a role (what one does) in uncertainty of belief exercises an absolute power of authorisation if the identity is valid and proper as in true marriage whether of a man and a woman in God as Trinity or a consecrated celibate in Christ as Son of God.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of his authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
@@oliverclark5604 To be honest, most of what you said was so opaque, that I really have no idea what you mean or what your point was?
@@joshuacooley1417 That the Church as a role cannot be an authority.
Keeping or allowing in uncertainty of belief, as I did on 24 January 1995 with my superior in my do-ing work as an anglo-catholic accredited catechist of roman catholic role group religion, the inseparability and qualitative equality of identities in need of union of family members and procreation helper of the family roles within the family exercises an absolute power of authorisation.
The catholic role group priest, Fr Ronald John McKeirnan, (Faith Education Coordinator and Deputy Director of Brisbane Catholic Education) who in consequence pleaded guilty in September 1998 in the Brisbane, Australia District Court to child sexual abuse of nine children was not confused by anything opaque that I am and do and my keeping covenant, non presumed reciprocity between who I am and what I do.
I hope this priest has now come to appreciate that I was only trying to require his respect for what he considered to be his rights that included not been groomed by diseased family persons with the hidden as occult, incest connected as substitute mate, non-economic false status inducement that the calling of "holy virginity surpasses marriage in excellence" (Pope Pius X11, "Of Holy Virginity", SV, 1954,24) and which is the most probable cause of his 'acting out' by this child sexual abuse.
With due respect I don’t think, after almost nine years, we can seriously consider that his heresies result from poor translations
Absolutely. If he wanted to set the record straight, he could. And would.
He may not be an anti-pope, but at the very least, it seems to me he's laying the groundwork for The Anti-pope.
Do his "heresies result from" what in uncertainty he believes?
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty. Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of his authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
There have been many anti-popes and perhaps more in the future, but there will only be one final The Anti-pope.
Please see my post on this issue to Anthony Tannas above starting by referring to the Book of Sirach
It takes Brian a very, very, long time to make a point and counterpoint. We don’t need to decide whether Francis is or isn’t a heretic, but we definitely are responsible for refuting statements he has made that are contrary to the Gospel and Church teachings.
@@drjanitor3747 please forgive me, did you claim that Mother Teresa denied the faith, or did I misunderstand your post, so sorry! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
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Mother Theresa is an apostate. She esteemed, and even partook in the rites of false religions when all Catholics know that all the gods of the heathens are devils.
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We don't have to 'decide' anything about Francis. Francis has shown by his words and actions that he is a heretic. We know this because his words clearly contradict Catholic dogma.
St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice, lib. IV, c. 9, no. 15.: "for men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but *when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple* and condemn him as a heretic”
The Church teaches that heretics cannot hold authority in the Church. Pope Paul IV taught in his apostolic constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio that the election of a heretic as the Roman pontiff would be automatically null, void and invalid even if unanimously accepted by all the cardinals. The correct Catholic position is to call out Francis as a non-Christian heretic; and, after one sees the Church's teaching on loss of office for heresy, they must hold that the non-Catholic heretic Francis is not the pope.
@@drjanitor3747 what do you mean?
@@angelikamarjanovic837 Both Mother Theresa and John Paul II are apostates.
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I would be more distressed to think that Bergoglio is a valid pope than that he is an anti-pope.
Wow indeed
Indeed. When finally that option became available to me that he may be an anti-pope I embraced it immediately because of the great struggle and distress back then. For me it was liberation and not some social media engineered bad and sinful curiosity enticing me into passing wrongful judgment. I was already struggling. It was already all too obvious and I was just at a loss about the meaning. Anti-pope is the meaning.
@@nehopsa But in "Prudence" (Catechism of the Catholic Church, n.1806) consider:
Is Pope Francis' "reference point, through both advice and example,..." (Pope St John Paul 11's Council for the Family teaching document: TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 110) contrary to justice and mercy and opposed to the Commandments on Marriage and Theft?
On valid and proper marriage by accepting an unacceptable risk of abuse of religious liberty of family member identities in need of union in valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman?
On theft by embezzlement?
I agree on this responsibility as should be left to the family when it exercises an absolute power of authorisation by keeping or allowing the inseparability and qualitative equality (covenant, non-presumed reciprocity) of its family members' identities in need of union and its procreation helper roles within the family.
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty.
Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of Pope Francis' authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
Very much agreed with you
St Francis said there would be a destroyer with his name which we now have in this "pope" Francis
Guess what
We have that now
@@nehopsa Oliver Clark
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Please see my post on this issue to Anthony Tannas above starting by referring to the Book of Sirach
Didn't Jesus warn us about following false prophets? About wolves in sheeps clothing ? Discernment is a gift from the Holy Ghost allowing us to see truth obscured by evil.
True, until your own parish is affected by the decrees emanating from far away Rome. The Catholic parish in Gothenburg Sweden had been hit with the iron fist as the Bishop of Stockholm has faithfully obeyed orders. Already split, people have gone off in different directions, with the dismissed parish priest celebrating guerrilla Masses at locations announced at the last moment.
The question that then arises is the legitimacy of the Papacy itself.
This is a consolation to me, thank you so much. It's actually something that came under my radar around 2010, during my reversion process but before I returned to the Sacraments. It's caused a tension for me at times, so this puts it into perspective. "Curiosity" hadn't occurred to me, but since you mention it, I recognize it. In any case, I'm grateful to God for inspiring you to make these videos, and thankful to you for responding to His call. May you draw ever nearer to the Lord, and may your family be blessed by your fidelity to the Faith and to them. As always, 3 Aves for you 🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻 and your intentions are wrapped permanently in my Rosary beads.
One thing we can say for certain: Francis has created great confusion and doubt throughout the Catholic Church. One would be hard pressed to say that we can trust with 100% certainty that Francis would uphold historic, church doctrine under pressure.
Watch fr. Casey’s recent video on this on his TH-cam channel “braking in the habit”
@@dianajanna7228 he is definitely not the best person to get your information from.
He doesn't uphold it without pressure.
@@paxchristi2248 very true
Im from New Zealand 🇳🇿 and many kiwi Catholics love him. I'm totally lost for words! But I keep him in my prayers 🙏📿🇳🇿
The problem with this message is that it focuses on the wrong question. The most important question is not whether Francis is the pope, because we can all agree that he is the acting pope, wielding power and affecting the Church in incalculable ways, legitimate or not.
Isn’t the better question, is Francis defending, clarifying and strengthening the Church as he should be God help us, or is he attacking, obscuring and weakening the Church?
I agree that the matter of Francis’ legitimacy is almost insignificant for lay people, in terms of their daily lives. But by positioning it as not only the most important papal matter but perhaps the only one gives an already luke-warm laity the pass they need to remain unengaged.
In truth, the laity should be completely aware of what Francis is doing, and prayerfully discern God’s will for them in the fight for the Church and for our Faith.
I watched the whole video.
The better question to ask is, “How are you being duped by propaganda headlines, mistranslations, schismatic social media influencers- and why aren’t you exercising ‘goodwill’ as scripture commands us?”
@@G-MIP What is an example of a propaganda headline that might dupe people?
As a Catholic, I have a responsibility to be concerned if he is causing chaos and confusion. It does effect me
directly. His papacy has made me question whether I want to remain Catholic. As a non-practicing Christian,
who returned to my Episcopal faith in my 40's, only to find the church divided, in disarray and splitting apart - my decision to join the Catholic church was believing the Catholic church is unified under the Pope. After I became Catholic, Pope Benedict XVI resigned, Pope Francis was elected and from the beginning there were problems.
The problems haven't stopped. I didn't leave one church that was divided and in chaos to find the same
thing in the Catholic church. So I don't agree with your argument, I didn't elect the Pope so it is not my
responsibility if he is heretic, anti pope or not the real Pope. He is the leader of the flock. As a member of the Catholic church, I need to be concerned about everything that happens in the church. The Pope is not above being held accountable nor is the Catholic church. This is how the sex abuse scandal was allowed to permeate throughout the church for decades because no one wanted to take responsibility for saying we have a problem and holding people accountable. Making excuses is taking the easy road.
👏👏👏👏👏 well said....
Agreed. It should matter tremendously to all Catholics what their opinion is if the Pope. In the modern world especially, the Pope is the image of the church, to the world outside and to Catholics themselves. If we have good grounds to think his teaching is deviating from traditional faith and morals, boy does it matter that we say so.
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The Catholic Church is the one true Church of Christ. Francis is not a pope because the Church teaches that a heretic is not a Christian, nor can a heretic hold office in the Church. Pope Paul IV taught in his apostolic constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio that the election of a heretic as the Roman pontiff would be automatically null, void and invalid even if unanimously accepted by all the cardinals.
Perfect. Thank you for your witness. The antipope in fact would be for me the cause to leave his church....but where else to turn? To go with some far-out sedivacantists? That would only add furher insult. My opinion is set but I wait for the formal schism to be declared. (THAT IS THE JOB OF THE CARDINALS THEY FAILED SO FAR TO DO - not mere deciding.)
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You really need to see this video.
I don’t understand why it is so difficult nowadays to accept he could be wrong in some things and at the same time holding the Catholic faith. There has been numerous of crazy bad pipes in history that many catholics criticised and still they were catholics. Well, the problem starts when you start saying everything he says holds absolute true. That’s not the right thing to do.
I agree. The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty. Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of his authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
The way I was explained when I was younger about problems with the pope, was the whole father of the church thing, and like how you may not like everything your father says or does. He still deserves your respect and care. That's my best answer but that's how problems with the pope always got explained to me.
Yeah, but the thing is that those of us who think he is an anti-pope don't believe it because we think Francis is so bad. We believe it because we believe that Benedict did not truly renounce the papacy, that his resignation is invalid, and that therefore he is still the Pope, and that therefore Francis is an anti-pope. It would be the same even if Francis were a super duper unambiguously orthodox pope and great administrator of the Church. The belief that Francis is an anti-pope has nothing to do with him being a bad pope and everything to do with the belief that he was not canonically elected, for a number of reasons, the main one being that Benedict is still pope to this day due to not canonically resigning and that a new pope can't be elected if there is already a valid pope. (Btw, i'm not trying to argue with you or anyone here. I think Brian is very reasonable in his approach, although I think there are other considerations he has not addressed here. So, not arguing with you, just making sure people understand why those who think Francis is anti-pope believe so.)
@@Proclivitytolife the problem is, he is the Pope. Okey, but he got some issues. Why don’t we fraternally discuss it. I don’t agree his absolute neutral position, for example, in the present war. That makes me less Catholic ? Of course not. Is the same thing that happened in the past with really crazy popes, that even blasphemed or declared themselves pedoph in public. Look at the pornocracy in old times. I’m sure tons of us wouldn’t agree with those evil popes and that doesn’t make us less Catholic. There was even a pope who burned a whole city just because that population didn’t agree with his crazy things, of course I have the right to say that was not true Catholic doctrine. I mean, Catholicism isn’t about agreeing everything the pope says out of his head.
@@marcelsandino5483 well I agree with what you just said. I never said you were less Catholic. I'm just pointing out that those who believe that Francis is an anti-pope do not believe that because Francis is a bad Pope, they believe it because they are convinced the evidence points to Benedict remaining Pope and never truly resigned the office of the papacy.
Thank you so much for this! That perfectly articulated that icky feeling I had about subscribing to any one opinion on this. What at once an enormous relief and tremendous responsibility we have to focus on fulfilling our own roles according to God’s plan for our lives, which includes praying for our Church.
"opinion" or 'belief in uncertainty'? How does Pope Francis apply this principle".
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty.
Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of his authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
P. Francis surely knows that a huge part of teaching, is teaching by EXAMPLE (as well as by words). How, then, ought one interpret his actions of praying before/too the Pacha-Mamma? His accepting a hammer&sickle "cross"? His tolerating gross immorality among many Bishops? His apparent approval of "same sex unions," etc., etc.. ...But then, former Popes participated in idolatry, as well, even accepting blessings from pagan priests.
So, what shall we say, then?
Well, Jesus would say, don't be like them (in the sinful/hypocritical things they do). But still, honor the office, just as Jesus instructed His disciples to do.
Still, we must examine ourselves, as well. "Do not say, "I will take the splinter out of my brother's eye, while, behold, there is a log in your own eye." ....May we, and I act according to the Lord's words.
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Rebecca Groves, Please see my post on this issue to Anthony Tannas above starting by referring to the Book of Sirach
So what happens if your pope puts forth an edict that is clearly in contradiction with scripture and church tradition? Because some are claiming he is doing exactly this. Do you simply go along with it?
No, if he does something like that then it's an indication that he's not the pope. The Catholic Church teaches that heretics cannot hold authority in the Church. The video creator is simply in error by holding Francis to be a valid pope.
Your comment suggests that you are not a Catholic. I say in charity that you will not be saved as a non-Catholic.
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It's very hard to square the circle with Francis. All of the Vatican II popes, actually.
I'll take Pope Francis over Putin and Krill's Ethno-Christian-nationalsitic church anyday. Pray for Ukraine!!!
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All the Vatican II claimants to the papacy are heretics, and the Church teaches that heretics cannot hold authority in the Church of Christ since they aren't even Christians. Pope Paul IV taught in his apostolic constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio that the election of a heretic as the Roman pontiff would be automatically null, void and invalid even if unanimously accepted by all the cardinals. This is the true Catholic position, and it's important that people acknowledge this.
@@loveandmercy9664 You would take a heretic over a schismatic
@@MadMax31577 That's probably true.
That was not what I was expecting from this video, but it was so incredibly helpful for me. Wow. I honestly feel renewed - like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. You are absolutely right about social media and curiosity - I need to focus on my responsibilities and my sphere of influence. God bless, Brian.
Excellent comment. 🏆
I'm supposed to know my Catholic Faith and if Anybody teaches contrary to it he or she is in error. That's what heresy means! And I am responsible to know the difference whether I have post graduate degrees in hobbledygobble or not. And whether or not I have any authority to do anything about it. God certainly will Do something about it. And maybe part of what He is doing about it is the great global Awakening of so many people being so aware of so many abuses by Bergolio that we don't even have to recite the litany anymore unless you have been living under a rock. After 15 minutes I haven't heard you insert any of the data points, actual content that are the controversial things. This strikes me as a strained effort to be middle of the road and aloof to the righteous anger of those who want the pure unadulterated Catholic faith.
In "Prudence" (CCC, n.1806), I consider my responsibilities and my sphere of influence are in the Family.
Is Pope Francis' "reference point, through both advice and example,..." (Pope St John Paul 11's Council for the Family teaching document: TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 110) within the Family?
Is this reference point:
(a) contrary to justice and mercy and opposed to the Commandments on Marriage and Theft?
(b) On valid and proper marriage, accepting an unacceptable risk of abuse of religious liberty of family member identities in need of union in valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman?
(c) On theft by accepting embezzlement of charity donations by your friend and colleague?
I agree on these "responsibilities and my sphere of influence" as should be left to the family when it exercises an absolute power of authorisation by keeping or allowing the inseparability and qualitative equality (covenant, non-presumed reciprocity) of its family members' identities in need of union and its procreation helper roles within the family.
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty.
Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of Pope Francis' authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
@@martinandmariefecher3524 Firstly, I believe in uncertainty that you are do-ing (as giving) an example to me of witnessing to marriage/family by the title you give adopting the same family name.
May I ask if you have any advice on be-ing in your family member identities in need of union in keeping inseparability of do-ing procreation gift help within the family and this be-ing (cf. Pope St Paul V1: Encyclical Letter "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12)?
Secondly, I believe that the keeping or allowing of the inseparability and qualitative equality of do-ing thinking and be-ing having faith is belief in uncertainty.
Thirdly, I believe that science provides up to 100% certainty which is 100% when application of observation measurement terms (OMTs) are simultaneous.
Fourthly, Pope Francis has as reported on or soon after 10 June 2021 applied simultaneously OMTs of "alleged" and "unacceptable risk of" for embezzlement of helpers donations (case of Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others) and fraud on family members of valid and proper marriages (case of the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament) with 100% certainty.
As my point 5, the Ecumenical Movement with which Cardinal Becciu, as I understand from reports, associates as a consecrated celibate internal focolarino of the Vatican accredited in 1960-61 roman catholic helper of the family role group within the family ecumenical movement, Focolare Movement, depends on keeping or allowing covenant, non-presumed reciprocity between helpers and family. Pope St John Paul 2's CL, 1988, 40 has it that the helper is :... to make the family aware of its identity ... and its role ... . In such a way, the family ca and must require from all ...[my addition: "helper groups equally in quantity and quality" the respect for those rights which in saving the family, will save society itself." If the helper of the family, Cardinal Becciu, did embezzle other helpers' charity donations and the Italian State as in a role as a helper of the family caused an unacceptable risk of fraud on marriage, I believe in uncertainty that the reason is that: "... In such a way, the family [failed] to require from all ... the respect ..." (CL, 40)
If you're constantly worried about whether the Pope is a heretic, you may be missing out on the peace God offers. That would be tragic.
Great point.
I will partially agree with this video but we need to clarify some things. You must remember that the laity DOES participate in the church's mission, and not just locally. We have many lay theologians and scholars (officially educated or not) who greatly contribute to the church. Truth seeking in on itself is beneficial to our spiritual lives, you don't necessarily need to be endowed with power to fix everything. Now that being said, I will agree that most people who get involved in this discussions are not interested in investigating deeply into things and in speaking authoritatively, comfortable in the fact that maybe such knowledge will not empower them to fix anything.
Imho you should not just lead everyone back into the comfortable ignorance, but you should "encourage" some to do so if they are not willing to take matters seriously and investigate things deeply and with the maturity to handle it without falling into schism. To simplify: "feel free to look into this but shut up, leave social media, and study the topic and be ready to not receive any power to change anything and you will still have to trust God. If you can't handle knowing things and not being able to join a mob or telling everyone, get out".
Interesting comment.
I think he's trying to help all of us keep perspective and to remember each of us has a specific reason(s) we were born in this time and our place. The biggest part is to lift where you stand. So while being informed is clearly part of our mission, concerning ourselves with lifting others responsibilities is not. Fast. Pray. Hope.
@@workin4alivin585 I agree. I feel like his video is coming from a place of shock with social media and how quickly people jump into bandwagons of conclusions because they watched 1 video, or they saw 1 tweet. I believe Brian is specifically referring to Patrick Coffin's video that recently came out, which is a well researched and compelling video arguing that Pope Benedict may still be the successor of Peter. While people may have watched this video and instantly jumped to conclusions, that wasn't the case for Patrick nor the people he collaborated with to make the video. What he is doing IS important and people who can handle it should watch his video and begin their own research with the sources he provided. If people are not willing to do this, then I agree they should remain silent and trust, and pray, and do penance.
@@notsam9528 Wasn't aware of the video. Thanks for the reply. 👍🙏
@@notsam9528 How in "Prudence" do I discern who is a successor of Peter? In "Prudence" (CCC, n.1806), I "discern" (prudently consider) my belief in uncertainty as to what are my responsibilities and my sphere of influence and whether they are in the Family.
Is Pope Francis' "reference point, through both advice and example,..." (Pope St John Paul 11's Council for the Family teaching document: TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 110) within the Family?
Is this reference point:
(a) contrary to justice and mercy and opposed to the Commandments on Marriage and Theft?
(b) On valid and proper marriage, accepting an unacceptable risk of abuse of religious liberty of family member identities in need of union in valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman?
(c) On theft by accepting embezzlement of charity donations by your friend and colleague?
I agree on these "responsibilities and my sphere of influence" as should be left to the family when it exercises an absolute power of authorisation by keeping or allowing the inseparability and qualitative equality (covenant, non-presumed reciprocity) of its family members' identities in need of union and its procreation helper roles within the family.
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty.
Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of Pope Francis' authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
@@oliverclark5604 Forgive me but this is very difficult to read. I really don't understand your point. But to answer your opening question, considering how I think it relates to my original comment, I don't think you're supposed to discern who is the successor of Peter. But to investigate the question, seek details, depth and solid evidence especially to inform your fellow catholics. You don't need to discern this for the church is the church. Even if Francis was an antipope, we still have Benedict. So it's not like you need to take a side.
Wow, Brian. Thank you. This video and your general tone any time I watch one of your videos have a settling effect upon me. I also just found out that excessive curiosity is a sin. This really makes so much sense to me. I'm so grateful that I watched this tonight. May God continue to bless your work and increase the charity, prudence, and wisdom that you consistently communicate with.
Social media can be toxic. Well said Brian. Praying for a revival of faith 🙏🏽
That is why discernment is vital. I believe this pope has scattered the flock with his purposeful weaponized ambiguity and I believe he has said and done heretical and hateful things but it us not for me to label him a heretic. I have seen several people call him out as having said heretical statements but not one has labeled him a heretic.
I mean this as charitably as possible (I love this channel genuinely and watch because I’m truly seeking the truth about the RCC and its legitimacy): as a Protestant, it’s these rational impasses that get encountered and are met with a sense of axiomatic duty rather than reason and evidential demonstration that really keep me incapable of conceding and converting. I feel scripture asserts we are to have divine wisdom and the ability to trust in our redeemed minds. “Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?” 1 Corinthians 6:3
A Pope having theological positions that are so contrary to Scripture *and* Tradition is incomprehensibly oxymoronic to me. I can’t fathom its possibility without undermining its entire legitimacy. It’s a huge impasse for me intellectually and morally with the RCC. Would love thoughtful rebuttals, please. I won’t argue. I’ll just clarify and ask questions if anyone engages.
It is solely our responsibility in keeping the inseparability and qualitative equality of our thinking intellect and having faith which is morally in belief in uncertainty as valid and proper members of valid and proper marriages. Familyist family persons by sleight of hand preach the gospel but do not practice it instead grooming psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members with hidden as occult, incest connected as substitute mate, non-economic status inducements for economic advantages of tax and insurance for families of the groomers.
Thus these familyists fail to sustain what everyone "consider[s] to be [their] rights", as directed of me in my role as a lay anglo-catholic accredited catechist of roman catholic role group religion by Pope St John Paul 11’s Vice President of his Council for the Laity, Bishop Paul Cordes: "to sustain", in my own case in its letter to the catholic role group archdiocese of Brisbane, Australia, Kenmore parish Catholic Community led by Fr S. Alec Wagner as parish priest, dated 28 September 1994, and which are the rights “to make the family aware of its identity … and its role …” (CL, 1988, 40), and in “such a way the family can and must require from all … respect for those rights …” (CL, 1988, 40).
This is the Trinitarian reciprocity not respected by familyist's continuing to associate together with the roman catholic role group in its teaching and law that consecrated celibacy or: “… holy virginity surpasses marriage in excellence.” (St Paul 1 Cor 7:25-34; Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius of Loyola, “Rules for Thinking with the Church”, n.356; SV, 1954, 24, cf. Vatican Council 2, OT, 1965, 10; FC, 1981, 16; TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 35; VC, 1996, 62), ), opposing the collaboration of God by valid and proper family members of valid and proper marriages to “put into action an educational project … in sexuality and true love … Within the Family” (TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 24, title).
With the Kenmore catholic role group parish priest, Fr S. Alec Wagner, trustees of the Job’s Trust Disability Trust (these valid and proper family members of valid and proper marriages) and Pope Francis, family members should disassociate from the roman catholic role group purporting presuming identity as “The Church” such as by the four cardinals opposing Pope Francis’ Encyclical Letter teaching of Amoris Laetitia, 2015 that entrusts to valid and proper family members of valid and proper marriages their custody of vulnerable members of these families in invalid marriages in withstanding Vatican Council 2’s false “Declaration on Christian Education”, GE, 1965, 3: “… those others to whom the parents entrust some share in their duty to educate …”.
@@oliverclark5604 I am so sorry but was that translated or something? That was very confusing to read, and I’m not sure I really know what it was getting at.
@@caleb.lindsay Sorry. To simplify, I take it we are all in families and a small number are validly and properly members of valid and proper marriages. This membership is identity (who we are). All of these latter group are also in roles (what we do) as the helpers of families. This is the Trinitarian relationship of Father and Son as Family and the Holy Spirit as the Helper. This relationship has absolute power of authorisation of marriage as to whether valid and proper. Purported helper of the family groups are divided: e.g. secular, protestant, catholic, but this division is withstood by the unity of valid and proper families. These divided purported helper groups have what they consider to be their rights sustained by the keeping of this unity.
@@oliverclark5604 is this derived from a doctrinal or dogmatic statement I can read? While I feel like I get the general gist of your statement, this feels like a very bizarrely applied analogy loosely correlated to scripture OR something with theological/doctrinal phrasing giving it the “punch” you seem to be implying by it which maybe I’m unfamiliar with. Would love to know where this comes from. Thanks for talking!
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The derivations are:
1. "authorisation" is in GS, 2 Feb 1994, 16.
2. "At this point [As the roman catholic Archdiocese of Brisbane, Australia, has not respected your rights as a catechist of roman catholic religion to apply the roman catholic discipline on intercommunion], you must take the steps ... to sustain what you consider to be your rights", is in the direction of Pope St John Paul 11's Council for the Laity to the catholic parish (Kenmore, Brisbane, Australia, in which I served as an anglo-catholic as an accredited catechist of roman catholic religion in its letter, dated 28 September 1994, addressing me and asking its contents be communicated to me.)
3. These "rights" are stated in Pope St John Paul 11's exhortation, CL, 1988, 40:
(a) "... to make the family aware of its identity ... and its role ...",
(b) "In such a way, the family ... require from all ... the respect for those rights which in saving the family, will save society itself."
3. "valid" is "joined together" (RSV Matthew 19:6);
4. "proper" is "shall become one" (RSV Matthew 19:5).
Thanks for talking too.
You are so right: we only need to know what pertains to our vocation and helps us live it. Thank you for that!
I agree as I believe in uncertainty does Pope Francis believe.
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty. Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of his authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
That pressure to ban the traditional Latin Mass has been challenging. I appreciate your hard work.
I hope people try to read the document of the Church more to understand the primary source. Hearing from others and media about those Church’s documents is really not help people get to the point the Church teaches her member. As a lot knowledge from the internet, humans still dumb because they have tendency to lean on that when they need, and lots of people stop reading because they believe all kinds of channels on internet holding the truth. Especially the one familiar to the seeker. All good habit of humankind is going down, such as reading, memory in the mind. What people want are laughing, enjoying of the feeling. It seems that I am complaining, yes, I tell you that you can say everything about your opinion but first, please, read the document and you will see. Such as Latin Mass, I question myself that Pope Francis decided to ban that. Not at all.
@@Nichmangyang I read Traditiones Custodes which was most likely written or heavily influenced by one Professor Grillo. It is clear as crystal that Bergoglio and his minions are out destroy the TLM and careen to modernism. I fail to understand why these modernists do not sprint to the Unitarian church. But of course, it it the one Holy Catholic snd Apostolic Church Satan wishes to destroy.
@@paxchristi2248 my point of view about why Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is that it is the one Jesus Christ built and continue to protect that. And you are right to say that Satan wishes to destroy it as soon as possible, simply because from that Church the Truth will be spoke out not by human-will alone but with God's Grace and Holy Spirit. No any churches of Protestant or Orthodox churches has been watched and "investigated" from the whole this earth as Catholic. It is something for all of us to think about, isn't it. Yes, humans will have mistake in their works for sure, because humans are the weakest in spiritual world.
Humans are fighting to the spiritual powers, one side fighting to reduce as much as they can with falling angels and falling humans, other side fighting to believe in something above limitation of human nature. Therefore, humans need the greater power, which is absolute perfect Good (God), can justify their being devastatedly in this earthly world and the world after. Hence, we need not to judge others (negatively), which is not our task, rather understand ourselves more in order to understand others and fraternally correct them. About modernism, it is over the world. And our time now, 2022, is already in post modernism. There are broader than just modernism, broad skepticism, subjectivism (or relativism), and so harmful with general suspicion of reason,... I afraid that humans will unable to name all kinds of its harmful. I just open some glimpse at philosophy's field unconsciously. These are not new in human philosophical history of the mind. One point in history of the church's document is Pascendi of Pope Pius X to prophesy about modernism, that humans have a duty to reduce that flow. However, that flow has its place in the mind of every single person from oldest to the youngest person all over the world.
In each individual person, when he/she has some sort of problem about ethics, it is a reason for he/she to dig deeper in religion in two ways. First, to deny what religion teaches, which in their mind is not up-to-date. Second, to deny their identity and taking themselves as their own god. Both these ways are not the problem of religion, but problem from themselves as a result of distorted society. Moreover, there is no such thing called relationship between Creator and creature for humankind. Therefore, freedom of humans is an absolute, which is wrong and bad. Thus, humans have no need of humility. Reality is the measure can measure and correct human intellect (and of course, the Divine Intellect measures both reality and human intellect, because Divine Intellect is the source of all). If human intellect says to itself that I am a measure of all reality, then, the true reality will be effected from the view point of human intellect. Hence, oneself can measure everything. ==> it is the mistake leading from wrong understanding of metaphysics to ethics. Oneself understands like that will act just like that. Clear example for this in USA, students at public school have been taught that "if you feel you are female but you have appearance as male, you can "change" that. If you are girl and you love girl, you can go ahead for that. There is nothing wrong with your feeling." Yeah. Because they measure all thing not really by their reason, but by feeling. Then, the reality is that boy has penis can "change" his. Changing that because it is not what oneself likes. It shows how distorted society is right now. And Catholic Church will and never tolerate with that kind of education, and will not change her dogma about the marriage couples in at least 2 aspects: (1) marriage is for responding the love individual couples, and responding to raising the children who are God's gifts to that couples; (2) the bond of marriage is permanent for them in order to build and cultivate their mature love in fidelity. This is a bigger picture humans should see and think about, not just about human freedom which is misunderstood.
Those view points Brian has already mentioned in his videos, if I remember correctly.
Anyhow.
Thanks
Thank you for this good examination of the situation for the laity. Our parish has had rectors who did things that did not align with the common understanding of what good people do... and the reaction of many was to scramble into the articles of religion in the back of our prayer books, where it states (roughly paraphrased here) "the efficacy of the sacrament does not depend on the character of the priest", and instead of engaging in excited debate, we went back to our own callings in life, and before long the problems were resolved.
And social media does throw things at us, that we would not in decades past have even noticed. Many are very worked up over what Pope Francis has said and done, in his attempt to bring the church to better relationships with the world. One thing that is interesting is looking at the point in history when the dogma and traditions of the Church were set up. If someone decided something in the 19th century, or the 16th century, does that have the same force as something set up by Christ, or set up in the 9th century? A lot of the things that Pope Francis appears to be trying to change are such "recent" changes.
The Orthodox churches, the Lutheran and the Anglican churches, and many others, feel that it is human nature that lay people should have doubts and questions... yet do not teach that curiousity is a sin and investigation outside personal responsibility is not to be condoned. Having asked questions as a child and as an adolescent and even now as an adult, the answers from the clergy I asked were never they type of answers that we see on social media today. And probably that is why I have never felt like rejecting the church. The fact that I was trying to resolve what I saw as problems was respected, and most often I was directed to further study at the level I could understand at the time.
Or not. Since the earliest days of the Church, we have had false prophets.
I agree. I agree as the understanding should be left to the family when it exercises an absolute power of authorisation by keeping or allowing the inseparability and qualitative equality (covenant, non-presumed reciprocity) of its family members' identities in need of union and its procreation helper roles within the family.
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty.
Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of his authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
This did help me to slow down my constant wondering if pope Francis is an anti-Christ. Which is one of the questions I ask myself daily. Your ability to reason thru your dilemma is so useful, and learning curiosity can be a sin, also quite useful. It has potential to really change my life, for the better. TY:)
Well, for all the three comments I see here: this is just the title. Perhaps it's precisely these claims that he's going to address
You are the first person I have come across who has spoken sense re this burning issue. Bless you Brian
Here is what I remember about Pope Francis:
- him saying we Catholics talk too much about abortion, gay marriage, and contraception.
- not bringing up abortion when he spoke on the White House lawn during President Obama’s time in office. There he had the whole country watching, and he could have said something . He did not. Instead, he disproportionately focused on global warming. When asked why he didn’t bring up abortion, he said he tries to find things in common when he speaks.
Those things told me all I needed to know about Pope Francis. I’ve been suspicious of him since then. Until he is replaced (I do not wish him harm or I’ll health), I practice my Catholicism in my private life and in my parish.
That is not schism; I am honoring the chair of Peter and honoring Christ by hoping the next Pope leads better and doesn’t create such confusion in our Catholic Church.
And keep in mind that if people didn’t get loud on the sins of our priests and the dismal errors of our leadership, the sex abuse scandal would have continued under wraps.
It IS our responsibility as followers of Christ to vocalize concern.
I believe in uncertainty in the inseparability and qualitative equality of procreation gift and union need and it is evident that Pope Francis in completing Pope St Paul V1's Encyclical Letter "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12 by adding 'qualitatively equal' with "inseparable" in marriage having: "Two inseparable aspects: union and procreation", has kept this from 10 June 2021 by his simultaneous applications with 100% accuracy of observation measurement terms of alleged embezzlement of charity donations by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on religious liberty in marriage by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
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Please see my post on this issue to Anthony Tannas above starting by referring to the Book of Sirach
And I think Francis talks about Immigration, vaccines and tree hugging too much
@@chrisobrien6254 'Food' taken as representing all our resources as gifts for our living and population taken as our need to remain living include these three topics you list Francis talks about.
Francis sees the qualitative equality as well as inseparability of these gifts and this need.
Agricultural economics and quantum physics support this qualitative equality as then applied by Francis clearly from 10 June 2021 on publishing his terming as a "worldwide catastrophe" the not keeping of this qualitative equality as well as inseparability as tax embezzlement and insurance fraud by diseased familyist persons in families.
Francis then demonstrated this "keeping" by authorising simultaneous applications by the Vatican State that he leads of observation measurement terms of embezzlement of these 'food' gifts and fraud on this population need in the cases of Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others as 'food' of charity gift donations alleged embezzled and the Italian State as population alleged put at unacceptable risk by the Zan" anti-homophobia bill as abuse of marriage as required for stable growth in population.
This is not "talk" but keeping or allowing in uncertainty of belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of do-ing thinking as action and be-ing having faith.
The just about paripassu rate of growth of population and food supplies in the developing countries was noted in agricultural economics from 1931 on description of the multiplier in economics in 1930. Quantum Physics on 4 July 2012 demonstrated this keeping for sub-atomic particles in the Higgs Boson. Benedict who was not engaged in this "keeping" evident in asserting "recently" when this embezzlement and fraud was continuous on 3 February 2011 resigned and Francis who was engaged in this "keeping" or allowing took over in early March 2013.
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Thanks Brian for you well-considered analysis. What is your opinion about the Pontiff's statement that Judas is among the "communion of saints"? I was honestly flummoxed when first hearing it.
Some of the orthodox churches consider Pilate to be saved or even a saint. It is an interesting topic I guess. I hope by the time I head out the door of this world nobody thinks it highly unlikely that I have a shot at heaven. But Judas?? Yes, I thought he’d gone beyond the pale with that one.
Bergoglio is a heretic, that’s what.
@@rosezingleman5007 Makes you wonder about the claim that there is a reasonable hope that all will be saved ... and that hell is empty?
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That's because Bergoglio is a heretic, and therefore not the Pope, because the Church teaches that a heretic cannot hold authority in the Church by virtue of the fact that he is not even Christian. Pope Paul IV taught in his apostolic constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio that the election of a heretic as the Roman pontiff would be automatically null, void and invalid even if unanimously accepted by all the cardinals. This is the true Catholic position, and it's important that people acknowledge this truth.
matthew 26:
The Son of Man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.
But ultimately the Lord is merciful, so I dunno, as a simple human yes i would condemn my false friend and betrayer. I don't know what is behind the Pope's words but he should learn to speak less. He's like that relative that give you optimistic advice, they mean well, but have no clue of what is really going on.
Thank you for this. What you said about social media and curiosity is the exact thing I’m trying to give up for Lent. It’s incredible how hard it is not to want to know all of the things (for me, anyway). 🙏🏼
I got rid of my TV; and traded my smart phone for a dumb phone; and my quality of life has GREATLY improved. Plus I have so much more time in my day not spent glued to stupid screens. After a while you don't care about the news so much; for the news, I have a kitchen radio I can listen to while I do other useful things. Try it, you'll like it.
Great video Brian.What would u say on Vatican 2?Should we look into it or just give ascent and let the future Magisterium work it all out?I'm wondering because some say it's valid some say no but it's like u said we as the lay don't have authority.So any help u can give would be appreciated. Thank u and again I enjoyed the video.
Whether or not you recognize him as Pope, objectively, you can recognize manifest heresy from orthodoxy. Its not about resolving the problem of his legitimacy... but what we conclude is that if the pope is imposing heresy upon the Church... then his authority cannot come from God. Heresies send souls to hell. Curiosity about learning the Truth is not a sin. Why are you discouraging Catholics to learn the truth.
He is not discouraging us from learning the truth but advising us not to engage in a sinful loophole to look for answers that are beyond our payroll. Curiosity versus studiosity is the key.
I usually like your take on things but brother you err on this one. As believers we have a responsibility to test all things that we are taught against the word of God 1 Thess 5:21. Following false teaching can destroy someone's faith 2Tim2:18, we are admonish to watch for false teachings and stay away from such heretic Acts 20:30, Rom 16:17
Do you think we could apply the same principle with apparitions that has not been approved by the Church?
NO.
Thank you so much for this explanation! 15 years as a revert and still looking for answers. ♥️
That pause at 16.44 says it all... But, I agree in your approach. Our mission is to seek Holiness with all our hearts and to pray for our Holy Mother Church and all who comprise it. In addition to praying and being testimonies for non-believers in ways that they see God reflected in us and we can be a grain of sand for their conversion process. God bless you Brian.
I’m Catholic (currently) but I find this argument to be uninspiring.
1) we can’t just ignore things that we hear about. We’d criticize Protestants who read the Church Fathers for merely ignoring them and saying “well, I just can’t judge. This is potentially distressing”
2) I think you downplay the seriousness of either the Benevacantist or Sede position. Now I think both are problematic enough to disprove Catholicism if they were true (what cardinals could elect the next pope, any Francis names would be invalid. Same goes with bishops he appointed for that matter). The positions are both silly
3) Sure, social media is bad but I don’t think we can play the role of a Icelandic bishop of 1200 where we completely ignore the goings on of the Holy See which then goes back to Number 1. Yes we aren’t experts in theology or canon law but we have been given our critical faculties. We can use critical thinking and make judgments based on what we see and hear especially if it is a repeated pattern (cf Lumen gentium 25 where the repetition of some teaching is indicative of the kind of assent it is due, rather than a one time off the cuff, spur of the moment thing).
4) I am starting to wonder how much of the modern problems come from how the Church concerned herself. She certainly has painted herself into a corner with papal infallibility and supremacy. It is absolutely necessary to be subject to the Holy Father, and the Holy Father can speak infallibly about doctrines, but we cannot have a way of knowing what is or is not infallible nor even who the Holy Father is? Isn’t that kind of suspicious?
Anyhow, these are just my thoughts now. Sorry for any spelling mistakes; pudgy finger syndrome.
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The sedevacantist position is the true position, because heretics cannot be considered to be Catholics. Pope Paul IV taught in his apostolic constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio that if a heretic were to be elected as the Roman pontiff, that election would be automatically null and void even if unanimously accepted by all the cardinals.
Also, I must point out that you are not truly Catholic because you doubt papal infallibility. As St. Robert Bellarmine correctly stated, a Catholic should in no way doubt and should prefer to die than disbelieving a single article of faith. Your doubts come from the confusion brought about by Vatican II and its antipopes, this is why it is important that people acknowledge the truth that V2 and its papal claimants are heretical and have no authority over the Church.
@@shunoinori Are you employed by the inquistion?
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Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 9), June 29, 1896: “So, with every reason for doubting removed, can it be lawful for anyone to reject any of those truths without thereby sending himself headlong into open heresy? without thereby separating himself from the Church and in one sweeping act repudiating the entirety of Christian doctrine?... *he who dissents in even one point from divinely received truths has most truly cast off the faith completely,* since he refuses to revere God as the supreme truth and proper motive of faith.”
Perhaps Catholicism is a role. One cannot disprove a role only an identity in its failing to keep its inseparability and qualitative equality; that is, covenant, non-presumed reciprocity, with its role.
Is Pope Francis' "reference point, through both advice and example,..." (Pope St John Paul 11's Council for the Family teaching document: TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 110) contrary to justice and mercy and opposed to the Commandments on Marriage and Theft?
On valid and proper marriage by accepting an unacceptable risk of abuse of religious liberty of family member identities in need of union in valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman?
On theft by embezzlement?
I agree on this responsibility as should be left to the family when it exercises an absolute power of authorisation by keeping or allowing the inseparability and qualitative equality (covenant, non-presumed reciprocity) of its family members' identities in need of union and its procreation helper roles within the family.
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty.
Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of Pope Francis' authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
The problem isn’t with “who is on the Holy See” the problem is, if we’re to be good Catholics and obey what the pontificate mandates, then what do we do if the pontificate is WRONG. You completely missed the point of the discussion. Because if the Pope is downright incorrect, but we’re to follow anyway, how would we not be judged for it, wrong is wrong no matter what.
My dad is a simple a simple man, and he once told me not un these exact words but: " don't let your butt overload your mouth "
The truth whether we want to admit it or not is that no one can judge the Pope except God alone. The Pope knows this more than any of us. Talk about being an ant under the magnifying glass...
How can you say there’s no benefit to discussing these issues while you discuss these issues, and issues in the Church are a major focus of your podcast?
It seems you’re trying to take the moral high ground against Dr. Taylor Marshall and Patrick Coffin et al (Who are not schismatics, they are unified with the body of Christ and his Church), while also benefiting from the same interest in these intriguing dramas.
Patrick Coffin is 100% a schismatic. He has placed himself above the Magisterium.
@@p.doetsch6209 So you’re redefining schismatic? Okay so by that logic I’m guessing you consider Bergolio, James Martin and all the German Bishops schismatic as well?
@@fundamentumveritatis And what vice is that? Compare it to what James Martin and Bergolio types are doing to the Faith.
Why are you after those trying to protect the traditional faith and understand the evil taking place in the hierarchy? Could they be wrong? Sure. But from a Faith perspective, they’re trying to reconcile the evil being pushed on us while millions like you say “shut up!”
As a casual FSSPX fan, I can agree with one point Brian has make: one should not be too haste with his judgment.
If Pope Francis could be potentially wrong about something, so can we and anybody.
Although, since tree have to be judged by its fruits, I didn't shaked off my suspicion toward Pope Francis just yet.
What about the 1500 theologians signing a letter stating he is a heretic. What would be fruitful is if we had a Pope who wasn't a Modernist, something we haven't had since 1958.
Hmm, as a Protestant that took a course on the Catechism at my Catholic College I’m often interested in Catholicism and it’s wisdom and beauty. Though, I often find it hard to reconcile the idea of Papal Infallibility, that I encounter when speaking with Catholics. I don’t know if it’s just some kind of ingrained Americanism in me, but I’m always extremely wary of authority figures, especially when it comes to topics such as religion. With that said I understand that by believing in the trinity and such, I am consenting to the authority of those at the Council of Nicea, Trent, etc. Still, though I am wary.
I hope this doesn’t offend any Catholics out there, but as a fellow Christian I just don’t know how to reconcile the idea of Papal Infallibility.
Thank you for how you put it. For me it comes down to what I believe in uncertainty is belief as connected in some way to "authority". Is it thinking or is it faith (OED alternatives) or is it the keeping in uncertainty the inseparability and qualitative equality; that is covenant, non-presumed reciprocity, of thinking and having faith?
In "Prudence" (CCC, n.1806), I "discern" (prudently consider) my belief in uncertainty as to what are my responsibilities and my sphere of influence and whether they are in the Family.
Is Pope Francis' "reference point, through both advice and example,..." (Pope St John Paul 11's Council for the Family teaching document: TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 110) within the Family?
Is this reference point:
(a) contrary to justice and mercy and opposed to the Commandments on Marriage and Theft?
(b) On valid and proper marriage, accepting an unacceptable risk of abuse of religious liberty of family member identities in need of union in valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman?
(c) On theft by accepting embezzlement of charity donations by your friend and colleague?
I agree on these responsibilities and my sphere of influence as should be left to the family when it exercises an absolute power of authorisation by keeping or allowing the inseparability and qualitative equality (covenant, non-presumed reciprocity) of its family members' identities in need of union and its procreation helper roles within the family.
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty as connected to degree of real authority.
Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of Pope Francis' authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
I read a book of Pope Francis life. He apparently caused ? difficulty and was often admonished by his superiors. Suddenly he was a bishop, archbishop and then a cardinal. It seemed very strange in the first part of the book I cannot remember the name. It was one of those books that written by somebody who knew him
Austen Invereigh? Dealing with these difficulties should be left to the family when it exercises an absolute power of authorisation by keeping or allowing the inseparability and qualitative equality (covenant, non-presumed reciprocity) of its family members' identities in need of union and its procreation helper roles within the family.
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty.
Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of his authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
I really appreciated this video and it is well presented. I see frequent videos arguing the validity of the Pope, that make me wonder why should a Protestants convert and accept the Pope as head of the Church if so many Catholics now seem to reject the Pope. The authority of the Pope is already a stumbling block for most non-Catholics, and if Catholics deny him why should non-Catholics accept him? Its feels like the opposite of evangelising. "The Pope is the Head of the Church! Except this one, we don't like this one." I feel TH-cam now has more Catholic anti-Pope videos then the Protestants make (I do not think this video was anti-Pope at all and very balanced, but the video's theme is so common now)
Bingo! These Rad-Trads are more Protestant than they realize. Next thing you know some SSPX'r is going to be posting 95 theses on the door of St. Peter.
@@p.doetsch6209 My mom was one of those rad-trads before the term existed (she died an old lady over 10 years ago). But I’m in my sixties and remember going to the “old mass” and have lived to see everything my parents feared, come to pass. We have to remember that Vatican-approved Marian apparitions actually predicted a time when “Rome would lose the faith.” Not so easy to dismiss in that light. But we still can’t do anything about it.
@@rosezingleman5007 Unless your mother was SSPX post schism, your mother was quite simply a trad. A true Rad-Trad defies and undermines the Magisterium through their own private judgment by elevating non-doctrinal matters to matters of doctrinal importance and reducing doctrinal matters to non-doctrinal importance.
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Francis is not a pope because the Church teaches that a heretic is not a Christian, nor can a heretic hold office in the Church. Pope Paul IV taught in his apostolic constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio that the election of a heretic as the Roman pontiff would be automatically null, void and invalid even if unanimously accepted by all the cardinals. This is the true Catholic position.
@@shunoinori Wrong. That's not Canon Law. That's private opinion which is worthless and not the teaching of the Catholic Church.
"good is to be done and pursued and evil avoided." -Thomas Aquinas ✝️
I do not and will not follow blindly. If the leader is blind, then I too will fall into the pit.
Brian, thank you for being an intelligent voice of reason. Yes it helped me very much. I actually felt a sense of calm when you explained all that you did and I was relieved that I did not have to actively engage in this very difficult discussion. All your points were salient and cogent and just made me feel like I was listening to the truth. Please keep up the great work and thank you again for helping me make sense of a difficult time in our church's history.
I agree. The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty. Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of his authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
I am glad to hear another solid, charitable middle-ground stance on Pope Francis. First it was Breaking in the Habit last week, and now you as well Brian. Sometimes we just have to admit that we can't completely figure scenarios out, and simply try and live a holy life within that confusion. I pray that we as a Church can stop fighting and fight this deep struggle well this lent.
Breaking in the Habit's take felt like a defense of Pope Francis, not very middle-ground. Brian's approach is completely different and very insightful. I personally have refrained from making a firm conclusion on the question and I appreciate how Brian articulated why that may be the best approach.
@@JediTony81 it is important to give Fr. Casey credit for at least acknowledging the difficulties of Pope Francis' way of doing things.
@@ToxicPea Such as saying that young people and families who love and attend the TLM are disordered? Those difficulties??
@@paxchristi2248 I'll be the first to admit that the only news I've learned about that is from the people protesting it. I'd have to, and you to if you haven't, read Pope Francis' actual legislation on that matter before making a conclusion. But, that does seem quite strange.
@J Kim that's pretty fair. Plus in our modern society, a lot of people are left with the choice to take the middle ground and retain one's reputation or pick a side and get cancelled. I get that.
I don't know why, but as a protestant, this whole situation is massively interesting to me.
I feel sorry for the Catholic laity. They are sheep being lead astray by a heretical shepard.
Admonish the sinner.
That applies to all Catholics.
Clinging to the notion that, "It's not my responsibility" is utter nonsense.
We will be judged NOT on what we did do, but what we FAILED to do.
God love you.
Thank you Brian for pulling us back from the extremes. There will always be competing viewpoints. I am happy to generally join the moderates. Saying that I find it easier to thank Francis for his courageous speech and example and to pray for him. God bless you for inviting us to pause and 😔 reflect.
I agree.
Is Pope Francis' "reference point, through both advice and example,..." (Pope St John Paul 11's Council for the Family teaching document: TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 110) contrary to justice and mercy and opposed to the Commandments on Marriage and Theft?
On valid and proper marriage by accepting an unacceptable risk of abuse of religious liberty of family member identities in need of union in valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman?
On theft by embezzlement?
I agree on this responsibility as should be left to the family when it exercises an absolute power of authorisation by keeping or allowing the inseparability and qualitative equality (covenant, non-presumed reciprocity) of its family members' identities in need of union and its procreation helper roles within the family.
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty.
Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of Pope Francis' authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
I completely disagree. Speaking the Truth in times of crisis IS our responsibility. Truth in times of crisis and ideological possession are what stem the tide of the rise of totalitarianism, injustice, and the shadow that lies cast. To continuously say "it's not our responsibility" is a cop out.
Had the Germans who hadn't lost their minds in collectivist hatred towards Jews during WW2 spoken, their impact would've been felt and perhaps outcomes wouldve changed. Had the Russians in Dostoevsky's time managed to turn the tide on the nihilism that rose that eventually was used by the communists, then perhaps those tens of millions wouldn't have died.
Now isn't a time for abstaining from taking responsibility. Now is the time we stand up and speak and take action.
Of course, we can and should pray for the church and for Francis... but that doesnt mean we just sit back and watch things go wrong. Truth is primarily through action.
Brian, this is one of the best videos of yours I've seen (I've seen many). This topic is so important - it addresses our spiritual and intellectual pride. I almost didn't want to watch the video, to begin with, because of the title (it's very tabloid) - so you might want to consider changing it a little. As a relatively new Catholic (but a long-time Protestant) I see clearly that the Pope is a necessary rallying point. So many Catholics stress that they can "think for themselves" and "think critically", but they don't see the beauty of what they have in a living Magisterium. They are tempted by the "wild Protestants" who go around thinking a lot by themselves and ends with a thousand different conclusion and without unity.
The underlying virtue here is our call to subordination. We shall of course do so guided by reason, but as soon as we understand that the Catholic Church is guided by Jesus himself, we can't do anything but submit to her and pray for her and her Pope. It's foolishness to question each teaching from the Pope or to even assume I myself must process, parse and examine each teaching to check its validity. With this mindset one is really a Protestant at heart, taking on the responsibility of guiding oneself and in effect becoming our own pope.
My view on the Pope is that yes, he can be wrong. But I cannot assume that at the outset. Jesus will ultimately guide the Church in the right direction, and I must be faithful to her and try as much as I can to understand and accept whatever the Pope wants to tell us. Sometimes it might be hard, but I must interpret everything in a positive light. If even that attempt fails, then I must still withhold my judgment until the Church has decided (it can take many years). Our Church would be in much better shape if we didn't focus on all kinds of controversies and possible heresies that our fine-tuned heresy-antenna detects in our Pope but instead used that energy to pray for him and for ourselves that we might be humble in spirit as our Lord himself (I so often fail there myself, but I am starting to see my sin at the very least).
It is not elegant, and it is not robust, but I want to make a simple point.
1 we are all called to evangelize
2 corruption in the church and unclear statements from the hierarchy are stumbling blocks for some people
3 knowledge about these issues, and how to navigate them can be good for evangelization.
4 staying informed is useful for my vocation
That is very similar to what you do, and I agree with you that withholding judgment is the best way to navigate the confusion in the church for a layman. But I also think that just because that method works for me doesn't mean that it works for every other layman. And I am not willing to blame the little ones for stumbling on the stumbling blocks that the hierarchy have placed in our way.
You put into words what I have been thinking and just couldn't verbalize it correctly without sounding like I just don't care about the papacy. Thank you.
Be encouraged. The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty. Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of his authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
To bring our understanding of these issues to those in authority seems to me to be the role of the laity should they "see" something that is amiss. I get the, "I do not have the responsibility to judge this situation" but, I certainly may have the responsibility to voice my concerns. I am not sure here, definitely new ground for us all. I can see where faithful catholics can see this either way.
Look up Canon 212.3. It offers surprising clarity.
From the gist of what I got from watching a Catholic reporter he basically said that there is no way anybody can make those claims at this point it basically has to go through the line and it has to be decided later by the higher-ups and the next pope that’s just the short of it also in the video Porter said that all of the bishops and cardinals had agreed at this point that it was done validly regardless of the problems within the church at this point just speaking in short we do not have the authority The one thing that was suggested from this reporter was to pray and to call out our priests when they do some thing that is wrong or say something that is incorrect they also suggested getting deep into the catechism in the Bible so that when we make these corrections they are made correctly and with lovePrayer
I have been approaching this topic in a way very similar to you, but your explanation has helped me be comfortable/peaceful in my indecision by helping me know that I really don't need to know (while I also struggle with some non-doctrinal things the pope has said). Before watching this video, I just felt indecisive. Thanks.
This young man has the wisdom of the ages. This talk was soooooo necessary. Infinite thanks.
In order to declare Francis an antipope you need a trad Pope to do that but Cardinals pick Popes and Popes pick Cardinals. So good luck with that.
So good luck with that...the influence of J. Peterson or not 😉? If yes, join the club. 😁😀😄
There's always a risk of being misled whenever we learn. I think that learning is always good. Making judgements is different
This has been very helpful to me. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this difficult matter.
It does impact me, with the TLM being cancelled and the NO churches lacking reverence, hot mess. Things do effect us already, don't know where you have been? Sorry. God bless
If we have to have an explanation to know if the pope is speaking truth, what is the obvious answer? Make your “yes, yes.” Make your “no,no.” The truth doesn’t hide in shadows. Any person who leads people to stumble by vague language or in casual speech or vague documents should make your skin crawl. I will let God judge. I will let the weed and wheat grow together until God decides to separate the harvest. I am a sinner. I need mercy. The pope needs mercy too. Pray for the pope’s conversion.
I don't see how my soul would be in jeopardy if I said that the Pope is a heretic because he says that everybody is saved, nobody goes to hell. If I'm wrong and he's right, I'm saved anyway! Joking aside, didn't our Lord tell us to read the signs of the times? I get what you are saying, it doesn't affect me personally yet and I'm not responsible, ok, but I can't pretend that everything is ok and I'm not convinced that shutting our eyes and ears to what is going on is what God wants us to do. Also, (If I may add a question off topic): if the Cathechism of the Catholic Church is changed, some articles deleted or changed, will it be the same Church I was born into? God bless!
The Catechism is NOT Magisterium. I asked my pastor ( a learned and holy man) about that, and he said Catechisms can accidentally or deliberately err. As in Bergoglio putting into the Catechism that capital punishment is always morally wrong, and that there are "Sins against the ecology."
Notice how Pope Francis is presently dealing with the signs of the times as alleged both embezzlement and unacceptable risk of fraud. This dealing should be left to the family when it exercises an absolute power of authorisation by keeping or allowing the inseparability and qualitative equality (covenant, non-presumed reciprocity) of its family members' identities in need of union and its procreation helper roles within the family.
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty.
Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of his authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
@@adrianjohnson7920 if that it's so, what is the Magisterium then? Is it the 2nd Vatican Council?
Thank you for this rational explanation. This has helped me immensely to understand the laity's responsibilities and to reveal the pitfalls of curiosity, especially relying on social media. I highly respect the way you communicate your knowledge of the Church and the faith. You seem to take a fair and unbiased approach.
Francis preached heresy. The seat of Peter cannot preach heresy. Therefore, not the Pope. Its not hard.
Most of the time his speech does not convey doctrine, but his feelings on how the church ought to be moving forward. The Pope can be wrong in the way he administers the Church. Anyway It's not binding on his successors.
Really now? He teaches that atheists can go to Heaven, that's clearly heretical. The first Vatican council anathematised anyone who denied God's existence.
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He is not the pope, for the Church teaches that heretics cannot hold authority in the Church. Pope Paul IV taught in his apostolic constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio that the election of a heretic as the Roman pontiff would be automatically null, void and invalid even if unanimously accepted by all the cardinals.
With what is going on with Ukraine and Russia, fulfilling Mary's predictions of world torment, all Catholics should exercise their faith and ask Pope Francis to follow the proscriptions of Fatima and consecrate Russia to Mary's Immaculate heart. Only he can do this and he should take his place in history by doing it. (St.JPII did not specifically do this for Russia.) While only Francis can do this, our duty here is to also comply with Fatima and complete the 5 first Saturdays in the correct way.
Trying to decide how papal Francis actually is, well, is just unfocused busy work at this juncture..
Hey man I'm gonna take it easy on you but you really need to start learning for yourself and stop listening to soundbites to get your info. This has become ridiculous. JpII did consecrate specifically to Russia, Lucia of Fatima said it and our lady said it. Consecration was only part of the promise, doing the first Saturday's was the other part, which hardly any catholic does.
@@justin15157 "JpII did consecrate specifically to Russia"
When did Pope John Paul II and all the bishops of the world consecrate "Russia" to the immaculate heart of Mary?
@@justin15157 NO! He didn't. He did consecrate the world but not Russia. Our Lady said it? Where did She said that? The proof is in the pudding. If the Consecration was done where is the period of peace promised by Our Lady? Why Russia hasn't converted to Her Immaculate Heart and the Catholic Faith? And where is the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart? No, definitely the consecration has never been done.
@@drjanitor3747 No, Pius XII consecrated the world to the Sacred Heart. He said it was the most important thing he did in his pontificate.
Maybe it is your youth, but one could just conclude you enjoy your seat on the fence, and who thinks the stupid card is a trump card.
Brian, this is my first time commenting but thank you so much for making this video. It's exactly what I needed to hear after reading article after article, feeling that I had to resolve this.
Raising a family in this pontificate is a balancing act. Some things we listen to other things we have to contrast what pope Francis says with what tradition/catachism teaches. Listen to this pope and feel the blood pressure rise!
Alicia Denis, Please see my post on this issue to Anthony Tannas above starting by referring to the Book of Sirach
From what you write you are evidently to me a humane as very real human person who thinks in listening and contrasting and feels the level of your blood pressure and keeps their balance as covenant, non-presumed reciprocity,
I disagree with Brian. We do have responsibility in regards to our shepherds. ‘Sheep know their shepherd…’ - sheep (us) do have responsibility to KNOW WHO is the shepherd and who is the wolf. And they must follow true shepherd and must not follow the wolf. It is foolish not to pay attention to who is the shepherd, only because we have not been eaten yet. What if we (or our children) are next? Knowing who is true shepherd and whom to follow is key duty of the sheep!
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Yes, Francis is indeed a wolf. He is a heretic and an antipope, because the Church teaches that heretics cannot hold authority in the Church. Pope Paul IV taught in his apostolic constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio that the election of a heretic as the Roman pontiff would be automatically null, void and invalid even if unanimously accepted by all the cardinals. This is the true Catholic position, and it's important that people acknowledge this.
@@shunoinori I was speaking in general, but now that you are raising Francis, I must admit that he sounds VERY unorthodox….
Serenity Prayer
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can and wisdom to know the difference.
Saints in the laity from the past have proven that it is our duty to correct those that are in error no matter what their title, and to direct those in your care, that is those that are around you, away from those who are in error for the danger that they pose to their soul if they should be misled.
I have a lot of doubts about the Pope but I still pray for him and leave the rest up to God. I am just a lowly soldier in his army. Jesus has told me to trust him as a small child trusts a loving father.
I'll take Pope Francis over Putin and his Ethno-Christian-nationalsim anyday. Pray for Ukraine!!!
@@loveandmercy9664 don't understand what Putin has to do with this, the conversation is about Pope Francis and his performance as the Pope.
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The reason you doubt him is because he's not the pope, his actions betray the fact that he's a heretic, and the Church teaches that heretics are not Christians, nor can they hold authority in the Church. Pope Paul IV taught in his apostolic constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio that the election of a heretic as the Roman pontiff would be automatically null, void and invalid even if unanimously accepted by all the cardinals. This is the true Catholic position, and it's important that people acknowledge this.
I’m not following what you’re trying to say. First let me give the briefest outline of my dillema on these subjects. 1. What does it mean when Jesus tell us Hew will “be with us till the end of time”? I’ve always understood that to mean He is saying “Fear not. I will always stand by and inform you with my institutional Church. I will be your unchanging Rock, your One Truth, your Holy Catholic Church that is unchanged over time in matters of Faith and morality.
In the light of that concept alone what am I expected to do with blatant, not subtle, statement or even document that contradicts the time honored truths. Forget about “anti-popes and politcians. I find that not trusting the pope to remain faithfulto the repository of the faith is very uncomfortable. Naming gay bishops to the cardinalate. What does that mean. Is it OK to practice sodomy now? Is it OK to get divirced and the civilly remarry and recieve and remain in that relationship? What are these contradictions? Was Christ wrong in His churches earlier definitions of sin and the pope changed them? These are the thpe of very troubling sunjects that come to the fore with Pope Francis. Christ has left his Church. Maybe Christ was never “with it” if a pope turns key dogma on its head. I need those answers rather than fine points about legal standing as pope, etc,,. How can these contradiction be explained? NEVER has a pope in our lifetime prounounced so many contradictory claims. What is the truth in these matters? That’s why so many process ofv people go through the convoluted explanations with no resolution. It’s a sin against charity for people to have to suffer in uncertainty
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Christ has not left His faithful, Francis is not the pope, because the Catholic Church teaches that heretics cannot hold authority in the Church. Pope Paul IV taught in his apostolic constitution Cum ex Apostolatus Officio that the election of a heretic as the Roman pontiff would be automatically null, void and invalid even if unanimously accepted by all the cardinals. This is the true Catholic position. Do not listen to false traditionalists who try to justify the apostate Jorge Bergoglio.
Excellent! Padre Pio talked about curiosity as a sin and I appreciate how you expanded on that. Always, prudence! Thanks.
By being silent this is how we got here today, allowing USCCB, allowing errors and not making noise.
I can't seem to agree here.
But your right we must about the risks of curiousity.
I am not sure I completely agree with Brian's analysis. We have the church and tradition as a guide. As well as our reason and the law of non contradiction. Yes, it might be true we aren't theologians or cannon lawyers, but how much utter crap comes out of universities these days from people with PhDs, for example? Also, what about someone like St Catherine of Siena? No, I am not comparing myself to St Catherine, but last I checked she wasn't a theologian nor a Cannon Lawyer. Also, it is due to God's permissive will that we DO have things like Social Media. We can choose to ignore what we see or peace out of Social M altogether, but that takes a conscious effort for most of us at this point of our civilization, especially in the developed West. Therefore it's clear on some level God DOES want us to know what the Pope and hierarchy are doing on an almost daily basis. So, I think we are confronted with these questions whether we like it or not, and it's just putting our head in the sand to ignore them totally. I do agree that we shouldn't let it trouble us to the point of leaving the church, but we do need to say that Pep Rally masses and Pangeant Show masses like what happened over the holidays are unacceptable. and that ultimately traditional theology and liturgy is what we should have for the church. The magisterium may have given us, at least tangentially, irreverant novus ordos, but V2 does say the laity should take a more active role in matters pertaining to the faith, therefore here I am saying: give us our Traditional Mass and Theology back, Holy Father, Cardinals.
Finally, I assume the Pope is the Pope. I have no reason to think otherwise other than some really wonky things he's said. But unless he's judged a heretic by those who are in a position to do so with the proper legal mechanism, it's not the issue. The issue is where the Church Herself overall is headed.
@@p.doetsch6209 Please re-read my post.
@@p.doetsch6209 Also, what are "catholics" like you going to do when the Pope does try to bring in Gay Marriage or Women priests? Are you going to hold fast to Michael Lofton-ism then? Sure, they will find a way to spin that (Oh, they aren't really priests or oh it isn't really "marriage"), but you'll be twisting your head in knots to justify, just like on Reason and Theology. We have a history of resistance to heretical clerics in the church. Even St Thomas Aquinas talks about this. You are just scaring people for no reason with such talk. Further, I'd assume by your reply you think St. Catherine of Siena was then a "protestant".
@@aloyalcatholic5785 I don't have to do anything. That's for God to judge. Pope Francis can't change the teaching unilaterally unless he speaks "ex Cathedra" so anything he does can just as easily be reversed by the next Pope. You are acting like he's changing teaching when all he's doing is at worst changing practice which is not doctrine.
@@p.doetsch6209 At what point does so many changes in "discipline and practice" make the church unrecognizable from her prior tradition? Sure, these can change, but with the kinds of change we have seen since V2 and especially recently with what they plan in this "synod", it begs the question if we can really not pay attention to this. God will hold you accountable if you don't speak up, especially if you've been gifted with the means to know. That is my whole point. A self imposed ignorance is likely not going to be judged well by God. As I've said earlier, you actually have to go out of your way not to notice the garbage that gets passed for theology and the corruption in the church. So just pretending like it's not there won't help anyone's soul either. Given the V2 says the laity has a role, God might judge you complicit.
@@aloyalcatholic5785 Complicit for what? The Church is not a democracy, it's a theological monarchy. None of us who are not in the heirarchy have responsibility for anything promulgated by the heirarchy. You'll only have responsibility for how you live your own life. There's no real connection between the sins of the heirarchy and any of our lives. The Deposit of the Faith is the same as it has ever been. No need to do any hand wringing over what if scenarios that are entirely in the hands of the Holy Spirit. We just have to continue to strive towards sainthood no matter who is the Pope.
To add a point: Brian, it is facile and erroneous to take someone who - on the basis of a reasoned judgment - determines that as far as they weigh the evidence, Francis is not pope and therefore does not treat Francis's orders as binding, and to then call that person a "schismatic" if it turns out Francis really is pope. That's not actually right. Formally a schismatic is one who rejects the authority of the Church or the college of bishops or the papal office. One who decides Benedict is the pope and obeys the Church and the papal office as held by Benedict is NOT rejecting the authority of the Church or of the papal office. He is just materially in error about who holds the papal office. If he made this (hypothesized to be erroneous) judgment about who is pope on the basis of rash judgment, then he would be guilty of rash judgment, which can be gravely sinful, but it's not the formal sin of schism. This is (again) proven by the times saints fell on both sides of an anti-pope controversy: the saint in error about who was rightly pope wasn't sinning in giving their obedience to the false claimant.
Thank for clarifying our role and responsibility within our Church. After all nothing happens without God’s will, and we are to accept with hope and trust his will. We just need to be patient and never cease praying for our Church, growing in virtues and loving our God and neighbor, and resist. That should be our main concern and focus. 🙏🙏🙏
Brian, God bless you for this! You have given us a great and clear means for responding to friends who are confused on these issues.
Brian, like you I believe some of the arguments made about Francis are not merely fluff that can be dismissed out of hand, and like you I don't feel like I have seen clear and definitive proofs of the claim, either. I am left in the uncomfortable position of saying "I am unsure," and I may be in that condition for the rest of my life. I accept the discomfort.
But I don't think your thesis here is adequate. THERE ARE ways in which we ordinary lay people have a direct stake in the matter. For instance, suppose you are a member of a Traditional Latin Mass group, where the priest is convinced that Traditionis Custodes (TC) is not valid law and so he continues to say the TLM as Benedict authorized in Summorum Pontificum. And suppose, (as is not the least unlikely), there is NO GOOD PARISH around you saying the Novus Ordo. You now have an unavoidable decision to make, either to "go along" with the priest who doesn't think TC binds him, and go to those Latin masses because there is nothing disobedient about them, or abandon that and go to one of the vastly inferior parish masses that harbors fruit-loopy antics, bad theology, and irreverent liturgy - with the predictable results on your family, and perhaps your own spiritual welfare. You cannot easily avoid deciding whether TC is binding law in order to decide well whether to abandon your long-standing community. And the answer to that question may well run straight through whether Francis is pope.
Or, suppose you are one of the tens of millions of people in an irregular "marriage" at whom Chapter 8 of Amoris Laetitia is directed, and you are trying to figure out whether you should be approaching the Eucharist at Sunday Mass. On the one hand, Francis is saying "probably", and on the other hand most traditional teachers are (still) saying "probably not". And two parish priests you have talked to have said opposite things, because, in part, one gives Francis more weight than the other. It is, perhaps, not NECESSARY to decide whether Francis is pope to decide what to do, but it would sure help to resolve the issue in terms of whether to shunt AL aside. (Yes, a better answer might be "get good with the Lord first by confession, and then it won't matter whether Francis is right," but that runs roughshod over THE VERY ISSUES Chapter 8 was addressing - maybe a "good confession" in CURRENT conditions is nearly impossible if it first requires separating.)
In history when we had anti-popes, there ended up being canonized saints on BOTH SIDES of the fence, so it is possible to be holy and be wrong about it. But at the same time: THEY MUST HAVE DECIDED, or we would not now know about their (opposed) stances on the question. I have, for now, accepted the PRESUMPTION that in the absence of definitive clarity, we can go on with the position that Francis is pope, but I am not one of the people in the situations described above where I need a better answer than what is effectively a LEGAL presumption that the current claimant "is" the pope. I would suggest that a father in situation 1 above who says "After all the study I can do, I am not positive, but I trust Fr. Jones (the priest saying the TLM masses) because he always has been solid and trustworthy before" and goes to the Pearly Gates would NOT be judged rash even if the judgment was in error, because he WAS called to make a practical judgment that he actually needed to make for his own self and family. It is implicit in the fact that there were saints on both sides of the fence (in history) that people can be making erroneous choices without being rash about it.
Agreed. I too have been trying to figure out which position is right, but lately I am beginning to think that maybe no one is 100% right. I think the correct answer to this question is "I am not sure." Yes, certainly this position is uncomfortable, but it is the only conclusion that anyone who has seriously considered what contradiction is will surely come to.
Does this reply by me to a post help?
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@Oliver Clark could you clarify your view on the difference between “be-ing” vs “do-ing”, especially as it pertains to the RCC’s “legitimacy” (to us my word since you also adopted it in response)? The RCC seems as if it must have some ontological “being” distinction by which any authority could be possessed therein or by any members within. For it to simply be a “doing role”, how could anything be subject to it? (Disregard anything your clarifications may clear up)
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@Caleb Lindsay You put your request and your question clearly, thank you.
This is the question if, as I believe in uncertainty, the Church is: "simply a 'do-ing' role", that I try to put into simple words as applies to me in my keeping or allowing the inseparability and qualitative equality of:
(a) my procreation gift role as an, as I believe in uncertainty, anglo-catholic, accredited catechist of roman catholic religion helper of my family within the family;
(b) my family's members' identities in need of union (ccf "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12, Encyclical Letter of Pope St Paul V1: marriage has "Two inseparable aspects: union and procreation").
So the question for me is how does the Holy Spirit share in the absolute power of authorisation of the family members, the Father and the Son?
I did not find what I believe is the answer to this above question in any of my five visits to the Pope's offices at the Vatican from 1977 to 2008.
Instead I found it, I believe, in the office of a mature age in entry to the seminary for the RCC role group priesthood parish priest, Fr S. Alec Wagner, my superior in his role in the RCC role group archdiocese of Brisbane, Australia in my role as an anglo-catholic catechist of RCC role group religion in his Our Lady of the Rosary, Kenmore Catholic Community parish.
Fr Wagner on my asking on 24 January 1995 in my catechist's role for a copy of the four page handwritten statement he had called me in to invite me to write of my information of many complaints of criminal child sexual abuse alleged against a priest official coordinator of Faith Education and Deputy Director of Catholic Education, Fr Ronald John McKeirnan, as my superior as a catechist, and its cover up by an Archbishop, Francis Rush, this parish priest's and my superior as RCC role group archbishop of Brisbane, and which he and I had witnessed on each page with our initials and at completion signature, he gave me a copy.
What would you expect or hope that I did in this role as a catechist in this RCC role group parish with that copy? Who would I in my role provide copies of this copy to in their identities in need of union and to in procreation gift roles within the family and why?
That I did this simultaneously on 24 January 1995 with 100% accuracy in my statement applying observation measurement terms of "child sexual abuse by a RCC role group priest official' and "its cover up by this priest's Archbishop" raises the question, how was it possible to do this? What here is impossible and what here is possible and what does belief in uncertainty tell one makes the impossible possible
This priest in consequence was convicted in the Brisbane District Court on his guilty plea and jailed for child sexual abuse of nine children in September 1998. You will find his case on the web.
Does this make sense in the eschatological perspective and ontologically? Oliver Clark, trustee of the Job's Trust Disability Trust (JTDT), collecting, administering and distributing in one form or another "compensation for injury" (CCC, n.1459) to substantiated complainants, or who the JTDT considers victims, including this priest and this Archbishop, of this hidden, incest connected abuse.
Thank you for your interest which has given me the incentive to more carefully review these events over twenty seven years ago and which I believe are very relevant presently in providing objective social confirmation of one's judgement on the relationship between the family members' identities in need of union and these family members' helpers procreation gift role within the family.
I can’t thank you enough for making this video. Wow. I know what I’ll be bringing to confession next time. God bless you, and your good work.
I feel opposite to this specially since Covid started I feel this kind of questions are more necessary than ever and that all Catholics should be trying to learn whether our church is being led by a true pope or not. We might never know in our lifetimes but we need to do it for our children, the future of our faith and because God would like us to defend the church he started if this is truly and attack to it.
In "Prudence" (CCC, 1806), I consider:
Is Pope Francis' "reference point, through both advice and example,..." (Pope St John Paul 11's Council for the Family teaching document: TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 110) contrary to justice and mercy and opposed to the Commandments on Marriage and Theft?
On valid and proper marriage by accepting an unacceptable risk of abuse of religious liberty of family member identities in need of union in valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman?
On theft by embezzlement?
I agree on this responsibility as should be left to the family when it exercises an absolute power of authorisation by keeping or allowing the inseparability and qualitative equality (covenant, non-presumed reciprocity) of its family members' identities in need of union and its procreation helper roles within the family.
The best an individual can do is to hold a belief in uncertainty.
Notice how Pope Francis applies this principle.
Pope Francis' exercise of justice and mercy is in his keeping or allowing in uncertainty of his belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of his family member identity and his helper of the family role as exercising an absolute power of authorisation if this identity is valid and proper as of a valid and proper marriage.
This is as in the present cases from 10 June 2021 of Pope Francis' authorisation in justice and mercy of his Secretariat of State simultaneously applying with 100% accuracy observation measurement terms of alleged both embezzlement of charity donations by Pope Francis' friend and colleague Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and unacceptable risk of fraud on valid and proper marriages as can only be between a man and a woman by the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament.
"If you live in a remote place far away from Rome..."
Me living a 50 minutes drive away from Rome:
We’ve had worse popes before. As a catholic my job is to pray for him and for all of the church.
Indeed
True. But he says jews are still the people of God, and the church has always said otherwise
No, the current pope faux pope is by design converting the Novus Ordo Sect into a diabolical evil worldly political leftist organization.
It seems that Brian’s rambling approach to the question he posed, makes listening very tedious. His answer is not to mount rational points specifically to address Francis’s approach and his political leanings, but to say pray for the church. This in my opinion is a non-starter. Yet praying for the Pope and the church is always the right thing to do.
He’s just being very intentional with his words.
Great thoughts. Appreciate the caution on curiosity. I have to be reminded often that my station in life doesn’t call for me to need to resolve all these things. It’s in evangelization where I struggle, though. A lot of folks are, right or wrong, being scandalized by decisions and events in Rome. I entered the Catholic Church in pursuit of unity with the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. I believe I have it. But outside looking in, it doesn’t always seem that unity exists. Tough times.
It's Not right to say it doesn't effect the average person if Francis is the Pope or not. The majority of Catholics I know who took the poison, did so because 1 - their Jobs required them to & 2 because Francis said it was the right thing to do.