If this game was actually released on home computers in the 80s, it would easily be the scariest game of all time. And can you imagine this game being released during the height of the Satanic Panic? Parents would be foaming at the mouth.
Damnatio memorialen means that’s it’s a sin to even think about the memory of a person. Why it said it to John was because he could’ve redeemed himself but he didn’t and was a coward
"For whosoever will save his life, shall lose it: and whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel, shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" Mark 8:35-37
"And so here you stand, the good man who did nothing; the only victory afforded was that you stuck to your guns...you were a _coward_ to your final whimper." -TFS 16
The thing is, John never stuck to his guns in the bad ending. You only get it if you leave all three exorcism sites right after arriving. Gohan was a pacifist that only struck out against foes when cornered, John doesn’t even attempt to try here at all (which would get the bad neutral ending if he did try)
@@kanewilson8624 Correction, you only get it if you leave the final level. If you still put up SOME effort to stop Gary but keep letting John be overcome by his cowardice (failing to kill either of the other two demons or abandoning Father Allred in the flashback) John becomes someone who still let horrible things happen, thus Garcia being harsher to him. Abandoning the daycare means John won't step up to action even if the literal world is at stake.
@@STATEofDREAMlNG If you die, you at least have a chance to rest in peace. If you stop existing…you’re gone. Forever. No longer one with this realm of reality. *Deader than dead.*
@@STATEofDREAMlNG My point stands. John at least has a chance to rest in peace, even if those chances are slim. And even then, he probably accepted god and Jesus, and I believe that accepting God, Jesus, or both is the only requirement to get into Heaven.
From what I can gather, this ending is all about the UNSPEAKABLE twisting the dagger one last time before taking John to Hell. The world is being taken over by demons, Amy is lost forever, and everyone he loves is going to suffer eternally, but that wasn't enough. The UNSPEAKABLE wanted to remind John of his greatest failure, show him that Jason and Nate were never even born, and truly, indisputably break his spirit before it would be satisfied, most likely all as punishment for interfering with its plans. This ending REALLY rubs salt in the wound, and, for that, I absolutely love it.
actually... how did we (or the community overall) figure out that jason and nate aren't real? even after watching the whole game i never realised that they arent real, and how did the unspeakable show him in this ending that jason and nate arent real?
Totally agreed. The insane drop of the simple haunting melody when the house is completely gone is not only extremely sad but also manages to go hard asf
it seems like you have to be purposefully negligent to get it though, which is too bad. I prefer when you can get all the endings while being "in character".
@@Bleenderhead That’s fair, although it could be seen as in character for John if you look at his development through the story. One of the biggest plot points in FAITH is that John is a man with a lot of repressed guilt that he’s constantly reminded of and tormented with, yet he is tested with possibly the greatest and most important task of his life. Even worse is that, most of the time when he’s doing it, he does so alone. Sure he speaks to Father Garcia and Lisa every now and then, but most of the time he’s confronting cultists and facing off against whole demons all on his own with rarely anyone there to support him. Even his wife, one of the only other people he could possibly fall back on, ended up leaving him. Pretty much all he has at this point is his faith, which is already severely waning because of everything he goes through on his mission to prevent the apocalypse. So taking all of that into account, the reason why this is John’s “greatest test of faith yet” is because he is one of, if not the only, people who can prevent the summoning of the UNSPEAKABLE and disrupt the Profane Sabbath, and he has to do so mostly by himself despite his internal suffering. That would likely take a lot of mental fortitude to overcome, perhaps more than John is able to muster. And in this ending, that’s exactly what we see. John is just too scared to go on, and his faith is shattered beyond repair. Without the will to continue, he succumbs to his suffering and neglects his duty, failing not only to prevent the end of the world, but to find his own personal redemption for all the other failures in his life, the biggest one being his inability to save Amy. (I know this is a month old but I felt the need to touch on this)
As someone who had an immense feeling of guilt through a couple of months, this is the insane recap. I understand people saying that John could do just a bit of work to prevent Black Sabath and save Amy. It is a long read from me, so for the majority, I'll say - it's the best recap of life's "bad ending" I've ever seen in any videogame. It portayes people who feel tormented over something so bad they can't get up in the morning. I assume Airdorf knows it well. As in many games, this is the one about facing your fear. A hero faces his own past mistakes, overcomes the challenges and saves the world. But I want to tell you why this ending also deserves to be here. I may be mistaken, but John, I assume, is scared shitless of Amy. It's not a usual fear. He couldn't save her and blames himself. He doesn't want to go to Amy's room, even if she's not there, but there are papers about her reminding him about her. I know that feeling. You can't even see the face of someone who you let down. You feel agony, your throat burns and your heart skips a beat. His faith weakens and, I quote, she's "tormenting" him. A very accurate word. Even a single thought of meeting or talking to them is torture. You just want to leave, you are restless all the time and your mind can't handle it. And with each day it just doesn't get better. It's because John wishes for forgiveness. But he is afraid to face it. There are moments when you're so tired of that feeling you finally decide to meet your fears. John walks to Amy's house in the first chapter to finish the exorcism. Another great capture - John couldn't get the work done fully. In those moments when you just can't take it and go to the person you may miss something. Have no strength to tell everything and you think that "it's enough". Or you just can't express everything or have that forgiveness. Only after some time, you'll realise that you didn't succeed fully. And you can't bring yourself to anything. That's something that isn't portrayed well in the game in my opinion - but I think you can't even understand how people like this feel unless you've gone through this. And I will never wish anyone the same fate. In this ending, John begs for forgiveness. It is given to him - he's... forgotten by the universe. He doesn't exists anymore. There's no one who will judge him and he doesn't feel guilt. It's a damnation of memory. One thing is for sure - Garcia acts as a "parent" figure to John such as in my life, who tells him what right thing to do. "Don't be afraid, John". He tells him to overcome his fears. I shall say, that works in real life too. Sometimes you just need another person to tell you the harsh truth. Stop hiding and face your fears! If anybody who reads it has his torment, I hear thee. I may not advise much, but if there's a person that awakens those feelings, write a long message. Prepare your speech. Express what you feel, but try to make it as clear as possible. It may need a few attempts. After you send this message, just send it or say or send it - a burden will fall from your shoulders. It wasn't John's fault that Amy had been chosen as a new vessel. But in his mind, he needs to get the job done. After that, the release will come. I swear it. I have come through it and now I am well. On conlusion, the music of the Memerix, the Aidorf's work is agnificent. Thank you for creating a game where bad ending is relevant and kicks damn hard. P.S. And thank you for uploading full sequence of the ending!
And if you really listen to the music playing during the sequence with John walking through the ruins of the Martin house, it has an almost requiem like vibe. Really hammering home the point that this isn't necessarily a bad end for the world, but a bad ending for John.
the version of this in the official soundtrack includes john saying "a gun with one bullet" before the final part of the song and a "mortis" at the end. take that how you will.
@@clara_g00as someone who isnt religious thst just seems like utter bullshit because there are moments where self termination is completely understandable and reasonable
Small detail that I noticed: the cross above John’s bed was turned upside down on the day the Profane Sabbath happened, such a clever and unsettling touch to the plot
People out here slandering John acting like he did nothing, as if the first two games didn’t happen lol. He most certainly has been through it more than anyone should. Even the exorcism wasn’t his fault. They’re were outmatched. It would make sense if he’s through with it all. He even lost his wife for this. He isn’t even an official priest anymore. Dude got excommunicated. And this whole time being haunted by like the 3rd or 4th most powerful demon in the game. Give the guy a break. 😭
He failed to save Amy in the first chapter, and the second chapter was just a dream. The third chapter is where John can actually redeem himself, if you let him.
@@saltissalty3498 Yeah, everyone, remember the white figure that talked to John when he was all alone in Martin's house all the way back when he came there with Allred? That's not God or an angel. That's freaking Lucifer himself making a deal with John.
Thing is, the slander comes from squandering the one chance he had at redemption. It just so happens that this squandered second chance came with the byproduct of dooming the world and all of humanity.
"You should have had a normal childhood. I should have saved you." that line hurts the most for me, tbh. perfectly summarizes why he's so guilt ridden for letting Amy die.
@kanewilson8624 He wasn't ready then. And when he *was* ready, he didn't even bother. This ending isn't because John failed. It was because he didn't even try.
@@sea-fr I like to think John’s faith in God is as strong as his faith in himself. He didn’t have the courage to face the demon the first time, and he couldn’t put his full faith in God to help him. It made him back out of exorcising Amy the first time (in my opinion), and so the bad ending for chapter 3 is really a reflection of his guilt, fears, and loss of faith that ends up dooming him. That’s the way I see it anyway.
It'd make sense since the punishment was essentially erasure from this world. The memories of you and such would be erased. So it makes sense in my mind. Missed opportunity but doesn't make the ending any less painful to see
I just realized that Amy was probably behind that door with the crosses the whole time, and that John probably found a way to bring her with him back to his house in order to continue treating her
I think it’s implied that room contains paperwork and documents pertaining to John when he was in the psyche ward. It’s suggested he was emotionally abused during that time and so harbors the idea that anything from his time in psychiatric care was inherently satanic.
According to Dante’s Inferno, the sin God hates most of all is treachery. Treachery is the lowest circle of Hell, the furthest from Heaven’s light and the seat of Satan. Treachery is the sin of Lucifer, betrayer of God, who was cast out of Heaven. Treachery is the sin of Judas Iscariot, betrayer of Christ, forever condemned to be gnawed on in one of the Devil’s three mouths. Father Garcia had faith that John would stop the cult. Lisa Pearson had faith that John would save her. Amy Martin had faith that John would free her soul. Father Allred had faith that John would take up his cross and carry on his legacy. In this ending, John Ward, through his inaction and cowardice, betrayed Father Garcia, Lisa, Amy, Father Allred, and literally the entire world. In the eyes of God, John Ward is worse than Lucifer, truly unforgivable. The only punishment befitting of treachery on a worldwide scale is for John to be wiped from existence.
This only applies because all these people somehow knew John has potential to be something better, someone who can do all these favours and bring up the best for all.... That's the only conjecture.....
This is the most sad ending ever because in his thoughts in his actions you can tell the regret and the guilt of a man who lost something and knowing he could avoid this it tells even that he completely gave up by the fact that he does that pose lets him get damned for the rest of his existence
A perfect showcase of less being more. No dialogue, no scrolling text at the end explaining what happened to our hero, just a single well-timed cutscene, a haunting track, and the words "DAMNATIO MEMORIAE". This as well as the name of the ending, "A New Vessel," tells you all you need to know about the consequences of failing your mission.
That combined with the empty plot of land in the forest. No house, nothing. It's like not just John, but everything related to that place was damned from existence.
Yeah, so in the game “Faith: The unholy trinity” there is the pretty scary ending called “Damnatio memoriae” basically some of the sinners not only was executed, but any information about them and any person who may create about information about them will be killed. Information would be erased and nobody will never even would know if there was that human. Basically pretty horrible kind of execution, the kind, which is nobody would remember, because nobody would know it. And yes there is information about execution itself, but not about executed.
Fun fact! The damnatio memoriae, Latin for "condemnation of memory" was an actual punishment back in the days of ancient Rome. Reserved for the absolute worst of the worst. So for God himself to punish you with a damnatio memoriae...
He's conndemned by both God and the Devil and is deemed unforgivable, and he gets erased from existence. He goes through damnatio memoriae (which means "condemnation of memory"), which is an old Roman type of punishment that involved destroying all records of a posthumous person's memories, properties, depictions, works, etc., as if that person had never existed, since the person is essentially erased from history.
I really commend Airdorf for not only giving you a bad ending, but one that feels soul crushing to watch. What makes this worse than other bad endings in games is that in FAITH, you know that leaving immediately will lead to bad outcomes, so you don’t get the excuse of not knowing better. Man, FAITH is such a good game…
"damnatio memoriae" is latin for "curse of the memory" (approximative). it refers to a fate worse than death : being forgotten by everyone, even your family and friends. it's safe to assume this is what happened to John when the Unspeakable dragged him to Hell : he was forgotten by everyone.
Why is it that the final game in a trilogy always has the saddest bad endings? I understand it's because they tend to have the most powerful villains, and perhaps the traumas of previous games take their toll on the heroes, but they came so far, they fought so hard only to suffer more than they would if they just died early on. It's strange... and heartbreaking...
@@icecremmester WELL ACTUALLY, you only need to not go to the daycare on day 3 to get this. You can defeat the 2 previous secret bosses even, but if you don't go to the daycare, you get the ending. Which makes it even more sad if you do - he DID get actually so close to destroying a mighty demon, but at the end, cowardice took over and the world ended due to it
I think my favorite part of this ending is the fact that John's failure to save the world is overshadowed by his personal fall into proverbial ruin. Then there's the gut punch that's the final sequence that's basically just a long walk of shame accompanied by what's basically an 8-bit requiem.
One of the creepiest things is when the main character has the same last name as you, looks almost exactly like your father, has almost the same name as your father (different first names but same middle and last names) and strange things have started happening to you after you started playing this game.
The beginning of this ending is the most horrifying part of the game. More horror games should try making the player feel scared in their own home because of how powerful that fear can be. I've never seen a bad ending in a horror game and had to turn the lights on when I wasn't playing the game.
Amy or the demon possessing Amy is a savage. She just said "FAILURE." to Gary and sent him to hell and said "UNFORGIVABLE." and "HOW ABOUT MERIDITH? DID SHE GET BETTER?" [[Meridith is John's mom who died because of an illness]]. That is some straight up emotional damage. EDIT: Another example of emotional damage is this comment section. Most of the comments here are slandering John- YET ANOTHER EDIT: Amy's other savage moment is her mimicking Father Allred's voice and saying "It's going to be alright, Father Ward." AND THEN JUST SMILING AT JOHN WHEN HE REALIZED WHAT SHE HAD DONE TO FATHER ALLRED!!!
So basically, in this ending John becomes a coward for neglecting his serious duties, thus allowing Gary and his cult to wreck havoc all around the world. As a result, John gets punished by Damnatio Memoriae, where it’s as if John never existed and all his personal works/records are erased from existence. That’s sad
Wait,doesn't damnatio memories means "Eternal death"Or something?It's like not just dead physically,but noone remembers you or something?Like noone knows you even existed?
It’s erasure. Complete physical elimination of any physical or memorial trace of you. The Romans, as did the Greeks before them, wiped names and histories of condemned men off of every historical record and barred their citizens from speaking their names on the pain of death. It’s much, much worse for John. Now with the world gone due to his weakness and Heaven shuttered, only punishment of Hell awaits him. Only Damnatio Memoriae.
Well in history fact , damnatio memoriae is condemed and erased from the history , which no one will remember you , ancient roma used it as execution ?
It means "condemnation of memory" which is a reference to a old roman punishment where every trace of your existence was killed or burned, making you vanish from history.
@@AnStupidForgetful_Person I forgor her name the green girl I accidentally killed her so will I 100% get this ending 💀💀 I wanna get the secret boss to hear them BANGER MUSIC
The saddest part of this is that some of this is real and some is not. I'm pretty sure the cannon ending for chapter 1 micheal get run over so part of what we see i think is johns guilt
I think in this ending is God just unceremoniously stops the evil and rewinds everything, but this time erasing John and anything associated with him from existence as John failed his test.
I have so many questions. Can you explain why Amy and Michael were holding John's hands? And why did John kneel down on the two mannequins? Was it because he was guilty? Why afterwards he got erased from existence including the whole house?
iirc the mannequins are supposed to represent the twin martins Nate and Jason, two boys who unfortunately got miscarriage'd. yeah John was guilty for succumbing to his fears and failing to prevent the Profane Sabbath from happening. Damnatio Memoriae pretty much erases anything to do with John like the places he went to and the people who know him.
John feels responsible for the fates(they died or are presumed dead while possesed) of all 4 figures in that scene. Lisa cant be here since she only dies when John is possessed.
This ending says a lot simply that ignores everything and doesn’t want to deal with the responsibility. He’s running away from the problem instead of resolving it. Honestly this type of ending I would call: The Coward’s Ending 😂 John Basically got sent to hell. After Amy pulled him in through the portal (obviously if you didn’t see the part that John was asking “wHy aRe yOu tOuRmEnTiNg mE” she did in fact pulled him in. Because Amy didn’t “magically” teleport him to that forsaken place, that is the place that John Truly regrets being there during part of the video he said that “he wish he could have turned away and leave an never looked back” which makes him in this ending a coward. Which is why it’s obviously unforgivable.
He isn't given the mercy that is Hell. He is erased from existence, because God and the Devil both deem him unforgivable. Everyone who knew him, forgot. The house is gone and everything, related to John, is either something else, gone or forgotten about.
When the Devil tricked him into abandoning Amy at the Martin's, he was counting on John lacking faith and courage. If John abandons his mission, he proves the Devil right.
I think this is how the game should of ended. No happy endings, no drama, and moving on… Just darkness and sadness with John giving up and facing his guilt. While it’s very sad I find it kinda beautiful in someways and it’s definitely a much more realistic ending for John. Many who face the mental challenges John did do not recover from it and instead continue their journey into the abyss.
No, for me the canon ending is the one where John defeats the true final boss and goes to fight more demons with Garcia, That gives more hope and it shows that through Faith great things can be done, I dont like a doomer ending, its better to keep the world positive and hopeful.
Just because you are a doomer doesn't mean everyone has to be. This game is about personal growth and bravery to turn things around. What kind of message would it be if Damnatio Memoriae was the only ending?
Basically, since he didn't do anything to stop the Profane Sabbath from happening, the demons took over the Earth and mankind was doomed. He gets condemned by both God and the Unspeakable, and deemed unforgivable. He gets overcome by the guilt of dooming the world, and gets erased from existence. He goes through damnatio memoriae (latin for "condemnation of memory"), which is basically a Roman punishment that involves the erasure of all records of a person's existence (memories, properties, works, depictions, etc.), as they're basically erased from history (thus, it's as if that person never existed)
@@pulsar2049 Im guessing its because of a deal john made with the entity which is presumably god,the deal basically lets john escape the first encounter with amy at the martins' residence,but at the cost od john having to bear amy's fate
Yep. Up to that point John has been fighting to both save Amy's soul and her siblings (who were just a trap laid out for him by the cult of Second Death to lead him on a wild goose chase while they prepared the Sabbath). By stopping his fight he is both breaking his oath to God to accept responsibility for abandoning Amy and giving in to despairing over his guilt instead of trying to right his wrongs. It says something that in this ending he voices his regret at trying to exorcise Amy in the first place instead of wishing he could have saved her. It's worse than giving up, he's completely renouncing what good he managed to do for the girl he tried to save.
Late answer but uhh since John didnt do anything in the parks and departments He did a sin called "treachery" Or known as the lowest circle of hell being far away from heaven and where the lucifer is and since John betrayed all of the people he knew he regrets it and decided that he deserves all of the suffering which is why he regrets it
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If this game was actually released on home computers in the 80s, it would easily be the scariest game of all time. And can you imagine this game being released during the height of the Satanic Panic? Parents would be foaming at the mouth.
i wonder if they would be able to make the rotoscoping work
The remakes in unreal engine we could have.. conservatives would shit bricks.
@@Mr._Newb_McMuffin Source?
@@Inkerd00dle thanks.
Man, imagine how it would have affected culture, like The Exorcist 2.0
This isn’t your regular mortis this is……advanced mortis.
The ultimate mortis, more like a "game end" rather than a "game over"
Died so hard you're literally erased from history
Damnatio memorialen means that’s it’s a sin to even think about the memory of a person. Why it said it to John was because he could’ve redeemed himself but he didn’t and was a coward
One of the most emotionally devastating ways for a game to more or less say 'you suck'.
Probably the most heartbreaking ending of them all - it's saying something that the apocalypse going on is secondary before John's personal collapse.
"For whosoever will save his life, shall lose it: and whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel, shall save it.
For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul?
Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?"
Mark 8:35-37
wait, did airdorf watch EoE?
"And so here you stand, the good man who did nothing; the only victory afforded was that you stuck to your guns...you were a _coward_ to your final whimper." -TFS 16
He is designated as ANDROID 16.
The thing is, John never stuck to his guns in the bad ending. You only get it if you leave all three exorcism sites right after arriving. Gohan was a pacifist that only struck out against foes when cornered, John doesn’t even attempt to try here at all (which would get the bad neutral ending if he did try)
@@kanewilson8624 Correction, you only get it if you leave the final level. If you still put up SOME effort to stop Gary but keep letting John be overcome by his cowardice (failing to kill either of the other two demons or abandoning Father Allred in the flashback) John becomes someone who still let horrible things happen, thus Garcia being harsher to him.
Abandoning the daycare means John won't step up to action even if the literal world is at stake.
A fate worse than death
Being condemned and erased from existence
That's not a fate worse than death.
@@STATEofDREAMlNG
If you die, you at least have a chance to rest in peace.
If you stop existing…you’re gone. Forever. No longer one with this realm of reality. *Deader than dead.*
@@Terr1ble_C0medy_K1ng not really. If John died at that moment, he'd probably go to heII.
@@Terr1ble_C0medy_K1ng plus, not existing isn't bad at all, because you don't exist, therefore you can't feel anything. Neither bad or good.
@@STATEofDREAMlNG My point stands. John at least has a chance to rest in peace, even if those chances are slim. And even then, he probably accepted god and Jesus, and I believe that accepting God, Jesus, or both is the only requirement to get into Heaven.
"It's just a bunch of pixels how can you get sad"
The pixels:
From what I can gather, this ending is all about the UNSPEAKABLE twisting the dagger one last time before taking John to Hell. The world is being taken over by demons, Amy is lost forever, and everyone he loves is going to suffer eternally, but that wasn't enough. The UNSPEAKABLE wanted to remind John of his greatest failure, show him that Jason and Nate were never even born, and truly, indisputably break his spirit before it would be satisfied, most likely all as punishment for interfering with its plans.
This ending REALLY rubs salt in the wound, and, for that, I absolutely love it.
actually... how did we (or the community overall) figure out that jason and nate aren't real? even after watching the whole game i never realised that they arent real, and how did the unspeakable show him in this ending that jason and nate arent real?
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Gary can also mention it when you speak with him before your first fight with him.
@@xGimpyx alrighty
This may be the saddest ending for Ward, but the music and imagery is honestly some of my favorite.
Totally agreed. The insane drop of the simple haunting melody when the house is completely gone is not only extremely sad but also manages to go hard asf
You know a game is spectacular when even the bad ending is done well
it seems like you have to be purposefully negligent to get it though, which is too bad. I prefer when you can get all the endings while being "in character".
@@Bleenderhead That’s fair, although it could be seen as in character for John if you look at his development through the story. One of the biggest plot points in FAITH is that John is a man with a lot of repressed guilt that he’s constantly reminded of and tormented with, yet he is tested with possibly the greatest and most important task of his life. Even worse is that, most of the time when he’s doing it, he does so alone. Sure he speaks to Father Garcia and Lisa every now and then, but most of the time he’s confronting cultists and facing off against whole demons all on his own with rarely anyone there to support him. Even his wife, one of the only other people he could possibly fall back on, ended up leaving him. Pretty much all he has at this point is his faith, which is already severely waning because of everything he goes through on his mission to prevent the apocalypse.
So taking all of that into account, the reason why this is John’s “greatest test of faith yet” is because he is one of, if not the only, people who can prevent the summoning of the UNSPEAKABLE and disrupt the Profane Sabbath, and he has to do so mostly by himself despite his internal suffering. That would likely take a lot of mental fortitude to overcome, perhaps more than John is able to muster. And in this ending, that’s exactly what we see. John is just too scared to go on, and his faith is shattered beyond repair. Without the will to continue, he succumbs to his suffering and neglects his duty, failing not only to prevent the end of the world, but to find his own personal redemption for all the other failures in his life, the biggest one being his inability to save Amy.
(I know this is a month old but I felt the need to touch on this)
@@Liveandlearn789this is very well said, my dumbass somehow got the bad ending on my first blind play through so I’m a pretty shitty priest 💀
As someone who had an immense feeling of guilt through a couple of months, this is the insane recap.
I understand people saying that John could do just a bit of work to prevent Black Sabath and save Amy. It is a long read from me, so for the majority, I'll say - it's the best recap of life's "bad ending" I've ever seen in any videogame. It portayes people who feel tormented over something so bad they can't get up in the morning. I assume Airdorf knows it well.
As in many games, this is the one about facing your fear. A hero faces his own past mistakes, overcomes the challenges and saves the world. But I want to tell you why this ending also deserves to be here.
I may be mistaken, but John, I assume, is scared shitless of Amy. It's not a usual fear. He couldn't save her and blames himself. He doesn't want to go to Amy's room, even if she's not there, but there are papers about her reminding him about her. I know that feeling. You can't even see the face of someone who you let down. You feel agony, your throat burns and your heart skips a beat. His faith weakens and, I quote, she's "tormenting" him. A very accurate word. Even a single thought of meeting or talking to them is torture. You just want to leave, you are restless all the time and your mind can't handle it. And with each day it just doesn't get better.
It's because John wishes for forgiveness. But he is afraid to face it.
There are moments when you're so tired of that feeling you finally decide to meet your fears. John walks to Amy's house in the first chapter to finish the exorcism. Another great capture - John couldn't get the work done fully. In those moments when you just can't take it and go to the person you may miss something. Have no strength to tell everything and you think that "it's enough". Or you just can't express everything or have that forgiveness. Only after some time, you'll realise that you didn't succeed fully.
And you can't bring yourself to anything.
That's something that isn't portrayed well in the game in my opinion - but I think you can't even understand how people like this feel unless you've gone through this. And I will never wish anyone the same fate. In this ending, John begs for forgiveness. It is given to him - he's... forgotten by the universe. He doesn't exists anymore. There's no one who will judge him and he doesn't feel guilt.
It's a damnation of memory.
One thing is for sure - Garcia acts as a "parent" figure to John such as in my life, who tells him what right thing to do.
"Don't be afraid, John".
He tells him to overcome his fears. I shall say, that works in real life too. Sometimes you just need another person to tell you the harsh truth. Stop hiding and face your fears!
If anybody who reads it has his torment, I hear thee. I may not advise much, but if there's a person that awakens those feelings, write a long message. Prepare your speech. Express what you feel, but try to make it as clear as possible. It may need a few attempts. After you send this message, just send it or say or send it - a burden will fall from your shoulders.
It wasn't John's fault that Amy had been chosen as a new vessel. But in his mind, he needs to get the job done. After that, the release will come. I swear it. I have come through it and now I am well.
On conlusion, the music of the Memerix, the Aidorf's work is agnificent. Thank you for creating a game where bad ending is relevant and kicks damn hard.
P.S. And thank you for uploading full sequence of the ending!
Nice writing! If you want to you can make an essay about this.
@@Stalinisbackfromdeath hey, thanks for the reply! You're right - some events in our life are great material for this. Maybe I will!
Forgiveness is actually a curse. People who crave it are also the ones who fear it most.
And if you really listen to the music playing during the sequence with John walking through the ruins of the Martin house, it has an almost requiem like vibe.
Really hammering home the point that this isn't necessarily a bad end for the world, but a bad ending for John.
the version of this in the official soundtrack includes john saying "a gun with one bullet" before the final part of the song and a "mortis" at the end. take that how you will.
He did a do, didn’t he? Also how am I 2 months late.
Condemnation via firearm
All people committing suicide go to Hell, so it makes sense that the UNSPEAKABLE dragged him there in the end.
@@clara_g00shut up.
@@clara_g00as someone who isnt religious
thst just seems like utter bullshit
because there are moments where self termination is completely understandable and reasonable
Small detail that I noticed: the cross above John’s bed was turned upside down on the day the Profane Sabbath happened, such a clever and unsettling touch to the plot
People out here slandering John acting like he did nothing, as if the first two games didn’t happen lol. He most certainly has been through it more than anyone should. Even the exorcism wasn’t his fault. They’re were outmatched. It would make sense if he’s through with it all. He even lost his wife for this. He isn’t even an official priest anymore. Dude got excommunicated. And this whole time being haunted by like the 3rd or 4th most powerful demon in the game. Give the guy a break. 😭
He failed to save Amy in the first chapter, and the second chapter was just a dream. The third chapter is where John can actually redeem himself, if you let him.
It's heavily implied that John "sold" Amy's soul to fcking SATAN himself. If he stays ignorant, he will be damned forever by this cardinal sin.
@@saltissalty3498 Yeah, everyone, remember the white figure that talked to John when he was all alone in Martin's house all the way back when he came there with Allred? That's not God or an angel. That's freaking Lucifer himself making a deal with John.
@@emiriye holy fuck
Thing is, the slander comes from squandering the one chance he had at redemption. It just so happens that this squandered second chance came with the byproduct of dooming the world and all of humanity.
"You should have had a normal childhood. I should have saved you."
that line hurts the most for me, tbh. perfectly summarizes why he's so guilt ridden for letting Amy die.
He let his fear get the best of him, had he pushed with the ritual the first time, the exorcism would have succeeded and Amy would be alive.
@kanewilson8624 He wasn't ready then. And when he *was* ready, he didn't even bother. This ending isn't because John failed. It was because he didn't even try.
@@sea-fr I like to think John’s faith in God is as strong as his faith in himself. He didn’t have the courage to face the demon the first time, and he couldn’t put his full faith in God to help him. It made him back out of exorcising Amy the first time (in my opinion), and so the bad ending for chapter 3 is really a reflection of his guilt, fears, and loss of faith that ends up dooming him. That’s the way I see it anyway.
This ending could have also taken the opportunity to break the 4th wall by deleting your save file.
*Now that would really be "damnatio memoriae."*
It is not undertale (actually, in develoent stage the game deleted itself after genocide)
@@esceip4847 that's not the point though?
It'd make sense since the punishment was essentially erasure from this world. The memories of you and such would be erased. So it makes sense in my mind.
Missed opportunity but doesn't make the ending any less painful to see
To be honest I really put faith in the same level as Undertale. Both games are created and executed very well, and plays on my emotions a bit
I like how "Damnatio Memoriae" is in the same font as "Mortis" since it's a fate worse than death
I just realized that Amy was probably behind that door with the crosses the whole time, and that John probably found a way to bring her with him back to his house in order to continue treating her
I think it’s implied that room contains paperwork and documents pertaining to John when he was in the psyche ward. It’s suggested he was emotionally abused during that time and so harbors the idea that anything from his time in psychiatric care was inherently satanic.
@@paris-1911 To add to this, the room represents his inner demons, so it makes sense that amy would be there.
According to Dante’s Inferno, the sin God hates most of all is treachery. Treachery is the lowest circle of Hell, the furthest from Heaven’s light and the seat of Satan. Treachery is the sin of Lucifer, betrayer of God, who was cast out of Heaven. Treachery is the sin of Judas Iscariot, betrayer of Christ, forever condemned to be gnawed on in one of the Devil’s three mouths. Father Garcia had faith that John would stop the cult. Lisa Pearson had faith that John would save her. Amy Martin had faith that John would free her soul. Father Allred had faith that John would take up his cross and carry on his legacy. In this ending, John Ward, through his inaction and cowardice, betrayed Father Garcia, Lisa, Amy, Father Allred, and literally the entire world. In the eyes of God, John Ward is worse than Lucifer, truly unforgivable. The only punishment befitting of treachery on a worldwide scale is for John to be wiped from existence.
This only applies because all these people somehow knew John has potential to be something better, someone who can do all these favours and bring up the best for all.... That's the only conjecture.....
@@OnnumMuttaiyum I wouldn’t say they knew. They just had faith, and in this instance their faith was misplaced.
Lucifer's sin was pride, not treachery
People believe in this
Love the deep meaning that this ending has, but my gorp light on ultrakill ass cant stop thinking of john prime now help
Loved this ending. So morose and cold, with the music complimenting it all. Amazing game.
John: **Ignores every single one of his duties as a priest**
Also John talking to Amy: wHy ArE yOu ToRmEnTiNg Me LiKe ThIs???
You act like the first 2 chapters never happened
The first 2 chapters were dreams.
@@gorchillatheman-gorilla438 chapter 1 was real
@@iamliber8583 and John has ended up in the hospital after this.
@@siemowitrazielus5557 what?
So this is how you get punished... for being a coward. Everything about you, both physically and mentally, ceases to exist.
This is the most sad ending ever because in his thoughts in his actions you can tell the regret and the guilt of a man who lost something and knowing he could avoid this it tells even that he completely gave up by the fact that he does that pose lets him get damned for the rest of his existence
There is a beauty to how this bad ending is portrayed, I love it.
A perfect showcase of less being more. No dialogue, no scrolling text at the end explaining what happened to our hero, just a single well-timed cutscene, a haunting track, and the words "DAMNATIO MEMORIAE". This as well as the name of the ending, "A New Vessel," tells you all you need to know about the consequences of failing your mission.
That combined with the empty plot of land in the forest. No house, nothing. It's like not just John, but everything related to that place was damned from existence.
After trying to recreate the "bad ending" music at 6:27, I appreciate that the tempo appears to be 112 and 2/3, or rather, 112.666.
Yeah, so in the game “Faith: The unholy trinity” there is the pretty scary ending called “Damnatio memoriae” basically some of the sinners not only was executed, but any information about them and any person who may create about information about them will be killed. Information would be erased and nobody will never even would know if there was that human. Basically pretty horrible kind of execution, the kind, which is nobody would remember, because nobody would know it. And yes there is information about execution itself, but not about executed.
Fun fact! The damnatio memoriae, Latin for "condemnation of memory" was an actual punishment back in the days of ancient Rome. Reserved for the absolute worst of the worst.
So for God himself to punish you with a damnatio memoriae...
@@KitsuneYojimboworst of the worst is pretty harsh, they did it to just about every preceding Emperor.
So in the bad ending he drowns in his sorrows and end up joining the demons
He gives up: he becomes what in the Book of Revelations is called a "lukewarm". And thus loses his soul.
he got erased, both the god and the demon deems him unforgivable
He's conndemned by both God and the Devil and is deemed unforgivable, and he gets erased from existence. He goes through damnatio memoriae (which means "condemnation of memory"), which is an old Roman type of punishment that involved destroying all records of a posthumous person's memories, properties, depictions, works, etc., as if that person had never existed, since the person is essentially erased from history.
@@JoaoLucasK Interesting
@@JoaoLucasK exactly
He lost his faith in EVERYTHING!
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John: ▪︎
These guys: 'v- 'v' ^w° Open the noor pls
💀
I really commend Airdorf for not only giving you a bad ending, but one that feels soul crushing to watch. What makes this worse than other bad endings in games is that in FAITH, you know that leaving immediately will lead to bad outcomes, so you don’t get the excuse of not knowing better. Man, FAITH is such a good game…
This makes me sad, I can’t stand seeing John like this.
The “you fucked up” song
1:36 I love how this theme builds tension in the house
"damnatio memoriae" is latin for "curse of the memory" (approximative). it refers to a fate worse than death : being forgotten by everyone, even your family and friends. it's safe to assume this is what happened to John when the Unspeakable dragged him to Hell : he was forgotten by everyone.
Very close, actually. The actual translation is "condemnation of memory".
@@KitsuneYojimbo oh, thanks for the correction! /gen
@@marshall7439No problem! You have a good one, my friend.
Why is it that the final game in a trilogy always has the saddest bad endings? I understand it's because they tend to have the most powerful villains, and perhaps the traumas of previous games take their toll on the heroes, but they came so far, they fought so hard only to suffer more than they would if they just died early on. It's strange... and heartbreaking...
“They fought so far”
bro in chapter three to get this ending you need to ignore literally every single one of your duties as a priest lol
@@icecremmesterChapter 1 Suddenly Not Existing or something????
@@marielosvindas1247 you can choose any ending in chapter 1 tho
@@icecremmester WELL ACTUALLY, you only need to not go to the daycare on day 3 to get this. You can defeat the 2 previous secret bosses even, but if you don't go to the daycare, you get the ending. Which makes it even more sad if you do - he DID get actually so close to destroying a mighty demon, but at the end, cowardice took over and the world ended due to it
@@icecremmester But the good endings of the previous games are canon in this chapter. That should count for something.
I think my favorite part of this ending is the fact that John's failure to save the world is overshadowed by his personal fall into proverbial ruin.
Then there's the gut punch that's the final sequence that's basically just a long walk of shame accompanied by what's basically an 8-bit requiem.
One of the creepiest things is when the main character has the same last name as you, looks almost exactly like your father, has almost the same name as your father (different first names but same middle and last names) and strange things have started happening to you after you started playing this game.
this is very specific. is everything alright?
@@kaled8839 yeah
It was just really fucking creepy for a while
@@that-chaotic-1 im glad its passed, i would lose my mind in your circumstances
i cant believe i got the bad ending aswell
The beginning of this ending is the most horrifying part of the game. More horror games should try making the player feel scared in their own home because of how powerful that fear can be. I've never seen a bad ending in a horror game and had to turn the lights on when I wasn't playing the game.
Amy or the demon possessing Amy is a savage. She just said "FAILURE." to Gary and sent him to hell and said "UNFORGIVABLE." and "HOW ABOUT MERIDITH? DID SHE GET BETTER?" [[Meridith is John's mom who died because of an illness]]. That is some straight up emotional damage.
EDIT: Another example of emotional damage is this comment section. Most of the comments here are slandering John-
YET ANOTHER EDIT: Amy's other savage moment is her mimicking Father Allred's voice and saying "It's going to be alright, Father Ward." AND THEN JUST SMILING AT JOHN WHEN HE REALIZED WHAT SHE HAD DONE TO FATHER ALLRED!!!
iirc the demon possessing Amy is literally the antichrist
“That’s why your momma dead.”
aren't all demons are like this?
goodbye forgotten priest
6:20 bro really Said ZA hando
Now I’m gonna be forced to take the mark
open na noor priest 1:40
>sees one (1) cop car pass by
“Eh the police can take this one.”
-John Faith
I'm sorry john...
:,( 6:33
This music made me cry
Scenes that made me cry:
John ward got caught by a red hand and crying red blood
And Father allred cutscene
so this is the cancel culture ending
Girls when their friend can’t show up: oh well I guess we’re going without her
Boys:
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So basically, in this ending John becomes a coward for neglecting his serious duties, thus allowing Gary and his cult to wreck havoc all around the world. As a result, John gets punished by Damnatio Memoriae, where it’s as if John never existed and all his personal works/records are erased from existence. That’s sad
Wait,doesn't damnatio memories means "Eternal death"Or something?It's like not just dead physically,but noone remembers you or something?Like noone knows you even existed?
It’s erasure. Complete physical elimination of any physical or memorial trace of you. The Romans, as did the Greeks before them, wiped names and histories of condemned men off of every historical record and barred their citizens from speaking their names on the pain of death.
It’s much, much worse for John. Now with the world gone due to his weakness and Heaven shuttered, only punishment of Hell awaits him.
Only Damnatio Memoriae.
Well in history fact , damnatio memoriae is condemed and erased from the history , which no one will remember you , ancient roma used it as execution ?
It means "condemnation of memory" which is a reference to a old roman punishment where every trace of your existence was killed or burned, making you vanish from history.
Even though this is the bad ending, at least it has a good sequel.
th-cam.com/video/UKDiWMgM5c8/w-d-xo.html
Lmao doom eternal, nice one.
This is father Garcia's avengence
The Most Heartbreaking Scene in faith EVER
I Feel Sad For John :(
Edit: i was Actually In Tears Listening To Ost
(the Bad Ending One)
There's also another version of the OST you might gonna like
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I accidentally killed ELLY will I get this ending no mater what?
@@sourlab what? Who's ELLY?
i don't see any faith character named ELLY
@@AnStupidForgetful_Person I forgor her name the green girl
I accidentally killed her so will I 100% get this ending 💀💀
I wanna get the secret boss to hear them BANGER MUSIC
@sourlab I don't think there's any character that's green in faith?
Actually none I believe
Did he get erased from existance
Yes
He is now wiped off the face of the earth, there is no evidence that john exists after the bad ending
The saddest part of this is that some of this is real and some is not. I'm pretty sure the cannon ending for chapter 1 micheal get run over so part of what we see i think is johns guilt
This will linger in my mind forever
#Chaosreigns
Goosebumps. That’s all I can say about this ending when I played through Chapter 3.
So in ending III the world is overrun and being taken over by demons, and John gets personally tormented and damned
I think in this ending is God just unceremoniously stops the evil and rewinds everything, but this time erasing John and anything associated with him from existence as John failed his test.
John essentially doesn’t even attempt to stop the Profane Sabbath, condemning him to even worse than hell: nothingness forever.
@@emiriye great theory I agree
@@dr.tursko2312 like he lost fate in this route
@@emiriyeLikely choosing another priest who he knows can actually do the job and not just give up.
6:20 [Za Hando]
UNFORGIVABLE
The protagonist of the antagonist
6 foot 2 inches tall and weighing 185 lbs
Damn john is jacked.
I have so many questions. Can you explain why Amy and Michael were holding John's hands?
And why did John kneel down on the two mannequins? Was it because he was guilty?
Why afterwards he got erased from existence including the whole house?
iirc the mannequins are supposed to represent the twin martins Nate and Jason, two boys who unfortunately got miscarriage'd. yeah John was guilty for succumbing to his fears and failing to prevent the Profane Sabbath from happening.
Damnatio Memoriae pretty much erases anything to do with John like the places he went to and the people who know him.
@@thenormalizer532 thanks for the explanation, things can be confusing sometimes in this game 😅
@@thenormalizer532 but nate and jason arent real im confused
@@gebbygebbers John never learns that in this ending, so that does nothing to assuage his guilt.
John feels responsible for the fates(they died or are presumed dead while possesed) of all 4 figures in that scene. Lisa cant be here since she only dies when John is possessed.
This ending says a lot simply that ignores everything and doesn’t want to deal with the responsibility. He’s running away from the problem instead of resolving it. Honestly this type of ending I would call: The Coward’s Ending 😂 John Basically got sent to hell. After Amy pulled him in through the portal (obviously if you didn’t see the part that John was asking “wHy aRe yOu tOuRmEnTiNg mE” she did in fact pulled him in. Because Amy didn’t “magically” teleport him to that forsaken place, that is the place that John Truly regrets being there during part of the video he said that “he wish he could have turned away and leave an never looked back” which makes him in this ending a coward. Which is why it’s obviously unforgivable.
Would you drink from the bitter cup
you would not do better in a situation like that
He isn't given the mercy that is Hell. He is erased from existence, because God and the Devil both deem him unforgivable. Everyone who knew him, forgot. The house is gone and everything, related to John, is either something else, gone or forgotten about.
so he basically gets taken to hell, killed in hell, and erased from history?
Yes, Sadly he didn’t do God work and let his fear get the best of him.
When the Devil tricked him into abandoning Amy at the Martin's, he was counting on John lacking faith and courage.
If John abandons his mission, he proves the Devil right.
Yeah this hurts so bad
Games need to have more Bad Endings. Not just Game Overs, but endings that really rub in how much you suck.
The thing happens at 6:09
Soon horor will come
Father garcia is right
This is the best ending in the game, what a masterpiece.
bro I ain’t even Christian but this game is quite possibly the best game ever made
3:14 is this the part where the tik tok edit "Spell answer" was from?
I think this is how the game should of ended. No happy endings, no drama, and moving on… Just darkness and sadness with John giving up and facing his guilt. While it’s very sad I find it kinda beautiful in someways and it’s definitely a much more realistic ending for John. Many who face the mental challenges John did do not recover from it and instead continue their journey into the abyss.
No, for me the canon ending is the one where John defeats the true final boss and goes to fight more demons with Garcia,
That gives more hope and it shows that through Faith great things can be done,
I dont like a doomer ending, its better to keep the world positive and hopeful.
don’t forget, Father Garcia even said if Satan is real, then that means the Lord is real, so John Ward should
NEVER LOSE FAITH MY FRIENDS!
NEVER!!
You like seeing life as hopeless, i see life as hopefull with faith, we are not the same
Fuck no
Just because you are a doomer doesn't mean everyone has to be. This game is about personal growth and bravery to turn things around. What kind of message would it be if Damnatio Memoriae was the only ending?
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6:03
What happens in this ending does he just give up or something?
Basically, since he didn't do anything to stop the Profane Sabbath from happening, the demons took over the Earth and mankind was doomed. He gets condemned by both God and the Unspeakable, and deemed unforgivable. He gets overcome by the guilt of dooming the world, and gets erased from existence.
He goes through damnatio memoriae (latin for "condemnation of memory"), which is basically a Roman punishment that involves the erasure of all records of a person's existence (memories, properties, works, depictions, etc.), as they're basically erased from history (thus, it's as if that person never existed)
@@JoaoLucasK When did he get condemned by God?
@@pulsar2049 I’m assuming because he succumbed to fear and did not prevent the profane sabbath
@@pulsar2049 Im guessing its because of a deal john made with the entity which is presumably god,the deal basically lets john escape the first encounter with amy at the martins' residence,but at the cost od john having to bear amy's fate
Yep. Up to that point John has been fighting to both save Amy's soul and her siblings (who were just a trap laid out for him by the cult of Second Death to lead him on a wild goose chase while they prepared the Sabbath).
By stopping his fight he is both breaking his oath to God to accept responsibility for abandoning Amy and giving in to despairing over his guilt instead of trying to right his wrongs. It says something that in this ending he voices his regret at trying to exorcise Amy in the first place instead of wishing he could have saved her. It's worse than giving up, he's completely renouncing what good he managed to do for the girl he tried to save.
Why did John regret everything?
Late answer but uhh since John didnt do anything in the parks and departments
He did a sin called "treachery" Or known as the lowest circle of hell being far away from heaven and where the lucifer is and since John betrayed all of the people he knew he regrets it and decided that he deserves all of the suffering which is why he regrets it