What do you think of Pain? Is he the greatest villain in #anime ? Instagram: Gallenberger1 #nagato #painnaruto #narutopain #sixpathsofpain #rinnegan #characteranalysis
@@gallenberger1 I really love Obito's backstory and how he turned to accept Madara's beliefs (even if Rin's death was manipulated). I myself think Madara's end goal was reasonable in a sense but of course the reckless violence he put others through was sad (though he had no choice). oh also Haku, even though that part was short.
Can we agree that Pain(Deva path) is the best designed male character in anime? (Looks, voice, posture and initial intro to his abilities). If you agree, who's second? .
Think this is my favorite Pain video out there. Love the Pain counter and bringing in real world references. By watching this video all the way through...... I gotta say I truly know Pain
Literally the peak of Naruto. The build up was so emotional and captivating, all those mysteries around the six paths of Pain and the Rinnegan, Jiraya’s fight and death, Naruto training for Sage Mode, Pain destroying the Leaf killing Kakashi.. all leading up to the Naruto vs Pain fight which is the best fight of the series conceptually wise. Pain is the first villain who Naruto can’t talknojustu as he went through something that Naruto couldn’t comprehend, so this is the first time a villain leaves Naruto speechless. Until the end of the battle, when he is able to empathize with Pain and manage to spare his life breaking the cycle of hatred. Then he comes back to the village and people cheered him as the hero of the Leaf. This is when the series reaches two of the most important goals: breaking the cycle of hatred and Naruto’s acceptence from the village
Pain is the best Naruto villain. I would’ve classified him as an antagonist but he DOES massacre everyone in Konoha and formed the Akatsuki (also why the heck do they hire others based on how EVIL they are, despite fighting for peace and everyone’s happiness? Random thing I noticed lol). Pain directly contradicted everything about Naruto, prior to the end of his arc and he even almost changed Naruto’s view on the world.
lol that's a great catch, never even thought of that. But yeah, he's full villain when he massacres the whole village even though we know why he did it. How'd you view the end of the arc?
@@gallenberger1 like AoT, a good anti-war message where you should treat people with love and respect and not treat wars as a way to get money and greedily gain more land for the sake of it.
Thats because they changed it as it went on. If you go back to early Shippuden where the Akatsuki meet as silhouettes. Pain explains the goal to Hidan. It was originally World domination, They were going to corner the market on War and the tailed beasts were going to be used to wipe out the Nations. He explains it in 3 steps. Then its never brought up again and we go to Pains nuke everyone for Peace plan, It then shifts again to Infinite Tsukuyomi which was even worse and even that plan gets retconned into a Kaguya/Zetsu Army/Chakra gathering plan.
Really great video, perhaps the best I've seen on Pain! 15:53 I agree that this would've been a good conclusion to the series but Kishimoto wanted Naruto to experience the war and it's senseless violence that Nagato spoke of, that's the main reason why the war arc came after it.
@@gallenberger1 You should check out Craftsdwarf and Mathwiz, they have a really good understanding of Naruto's themes and also they are the OG's of Naruto analysis content!
People who don’t understand how great pain reviving everyone is didn’t get the story lmao, if Naruto didn’t learn pain killed everyone but because Naruto learned from his past and from minato he makes the right choice by choosing to spare pain and is rewarded with the lives of his people
No, We can understand something and not like it lol. Naruto moving past his hatred, sparing Pain and proving him wrong is great, Naruto being revealed as the actual child of prophecy and Nagato believing in him is great too. I thought the closure for his character was awesome. We dont have to like the revival of dead people though. It cheapens death and makes it meaningless, It takes away from everything Pain did. Its like Dragonball, The sacrifices are absolutely meaningless in that show.
Naruto did know he killed everyone because he sense it in sage mode. He even asks Tsunade if Kakashi was out of the village because he couldn't sense him, but her silence told him he couldn't sense him because he was dead
@@JohnMarston-s3x I get your point and I think their death would have raise the stakes for the next arcs, especially Kakashi’s, but the revival is an essential part of this arc otherwise you got no people and no reason to praise Naruto. Naruto being hugged and loved by the whole village while being proclaimed hero of the Leaf is the most important and cathartic moment of the series as he reaches his ultimate goal of being accepted, he don’t even need to become Hokage anymore. The revival wasn’t a problem, it’s just that after that arc they should have been more ruthless with the deaths of main characters. The only main character who dies after this is Neji if I remember correctly, and he didn’t do jackshit in Shippuden
@@JohnMarston-s3x I get your point and I think their death would have raise the stakes for the next arcs, especially Kakashi’s, but the revival is an essential part of this arc otherwise you got no people and no reason to praise Naruto. Naruto being hugged and loved by the whole village while being proclaimed hero of the Leaf is the most important and cathartic moment of the series as he reaches his ultimate goal of being accepted, he don’t even need to become Hokage anymore. The revival wasn’t a problem, it’s just that after that arc they should have been more ruthless with deaths of main characters. The only main character who dies after this is Neji if I remember correctly, and he didn’t do jackshit in Shippuden
Hanzo was all for the peace effort before Danzo stepped in and lied to him saying that the peace effort was just to get Hanzos guard down so they could take control, Hanzo was played by Danzo because word of the peace movement had reached the village hidden in the leaves and Danzo didn’t like that idea, thought it would endanger the leaf, so he done what he does best and ruined a good thing 😢
Everything leading up to pain is peak Naruto, idc what anyone says. The overall quality went off a cliff after nagatos death. Shippuden still had some great moments, but just wasn't as good after the arc imo
honestly one thing I loved about the ending to the pain arc is also Naruto's growth as a person a lot of people miss the point of Naruto and Nagato's conversation with some even calling Naruto a pussy for not killing Nagato and getting revenge for Jirayia. The reason Naruto didn't kill Nagato wasn't because he forgave him for what he did even after hearing it was the leaf that screwed Nagato over Naruto still hated Nagato for what he did but unlike most Naruto didn't react on those emotions because if he did he'd be disrespecting his masters wish and he loved Jiraiya too much to do that, that honestly takes a big man to do to walk away from something that is justified but deep down on a personal level you feel is wrong
Btw my character analysis that I told you is on Hinata, really underrated in terms of writing imo cause a lot of people neglect her for the troupe and looks nothing past it, a lot of people love her for the wrong reason and very little understand her. My analysis has a lot more to be close to complete but if you are interested in giving a quick read I'll post it in the comments.😁
Hinata was born to the world shouldering the responsibility of her family, to lead the Prestigious, traditional and old Hyuga clan with a strong unwavering fist. But her personality was that of a soft spoken girl who was kind, gentle and empathetic, her name literally translates to "Pure white lily facing the sun" to signify her purity as a character and a person. Although Hinata undergoes rigorous and painful training with her father, Hiashi doesn't see her as fit to rule over their clan because of her kind nature. Therefore, Hiashi, as the strict leader of the Hyuga clan pits her against her younger sister Hanabi in an attempt to motivate Hinata. In this match Hinata lost to her sister since she was unable to land the final blow out of kindness for her sister, Hiashi who saw this as hesitancy and weakness for the sake of their clan disowns her and essentially kicks her out of his family, which deals a critical blow to her self esteem. To Hinata her value was in her purpose that was bestowed upon her by her father, to be the heir of the Hyuga clan. His judgement and views of her alongside with the path he layed on her to follow overruled her childhood. In disowning her, Hiashi essentially stripped Hinata of her self worth, which lead Hinata in a dark path. Hinata being born with high expectations and being unable to fullfill them to her family left her with a psychological scar in her early years as she felt inadequate, weak and an unloved failure who cursed the way she was. She berrates herself for her past failures and constantly undermines herself. Which in turn made her unable to believe, trust nor love herself and it lead her on a downward spiral of self hate and guilt. She betrayed herself and lost all will to fight and change. She developed an inferiority complex and her repeated failures in missions and in training because of her inability to trust in herself, only made things worse for her. Although she trained very hard every day, it means nothing if she couldn't believe in herself. Because of her past failures she has also developed a fear in failing and so she thought that it is better to stay a failure than to try and fail, and so she gives up on everything, failing herself. These feelings would eventually lead to the Hinata we see in early part of Naruto, a depressed mess with social anxiety which is seen through her general mannerisms(her shyness & being easily flustured, avoiding social confrontations by avoiding talking and looking down while talking to another, nervousness, stutter and shaky voice etc..). She is passive, indecisive, hesitant and always prefers to be in the background of situations that she is put in, she is always overruled by her peers and her opinions aren't cared even by them as she lacks agency. Even her character design of wearing cozy long sleeved sweaters as if to hide from everyone, and not showing her skin in the slightest compared to other kunoichi because she doesn't see the value in such things and certainly wants no spotlight as she hates being judged by people, like how her father and her clan by extension did with her in the past. Around this time she sees Naruto, another loner in the world who struggles with similar feelings of worth, depression, acceptance and failure but a degree worse that what she has to deal with, and yet he faces the world with a smile and a firm belief in himself. He is judged by people around him and despised by them for his circumstances similar to how she was judged and hated for hers by her family, but he is dealing with even worse prejudice. She relates to his struggles of acceptance and mostly his confidence/his ability to believe in himself, the trait that she wishes for. As a similar failure, she knows how easy it is to give up and lose your worth after constant failure and how discouraging it is. Although her worth was stripped away by her father and her clan in disowning her, Naruto didn't have a sense of self worth to begin with, since no one beleived in him in the first place, but he never gave up on himself and stopped trying like she did, to be acknowledged by people and therefore gaining a sense of self worth. Seeing how he fails repetedly but never gives up, she recognizes Naruto's strength and is motivated herself to try harder and in turn beleive and accept herself, that she too could maybe change if she never gave up on herself. Naruto essentially is restoring her sense of self worth that was stripped away by her father when she abandoned her. And therefore Hinata finds purpose in Naruto in seeing that Naruto is still trying to change himself. Hinata thought that she only had a single path to follow that was given to her by her family, but watching Naruto teaches her that she herself has to find the purpose/path for herself and that it is possible to restore ones self worth by following another path. Watching Naruto and his quality to never give up basically fills her with hope, belief, self worth and purpose making her able to accept/love herself again. She sees Naruto as a person who although fails, have the ability to stand back up and keep on fighting for his goals, unlike herself from the past who just accepted their fate and stayed sulking with the hand they were dealt with. Seeing this redefines her ideology on strength and makes her wish for that strength for herself too. As she says herself when Naruto doubts himself when he was going to fight Neji, True strength is to never give up and keep on trying even at worst odds, that is also why she calls Naruto a proud failure. A failure who never gives up on trying to change themselves for the better, until they eventually succeed. Her belief in Naruto is based on this aspect of him, this is further emphasized by the symbolical irony of their Doujutsu, the Byakugan. The Byakugan makes them look blind eventhough it grants them the ability to see through everything, but in seeing everything they are blind to their own strengths and weaknesses, which is symbolized by the blind spot. Hinata, before anyone, saw Naruto's strengths despite everyone else calling him a failure, but she was blind to her own strengths until Naruto made Hinata realize hers. With Naruto's inspiration and of her own volition, to challenge herself and possibly change her cowardly and hesitant self, she enters the chunin exams. Although she passes the written test of the exams and displays courage, mental fortitude and strength in certain moments(such as in passing the written test, of which the aim was to measure courage and helping Naruto at her own risk) she is immediatley challenged by the living embodiment of all her flaws, Neji. A complete contrast of her, an intimidating prodigy with a superiority complex to her anxiety ridden inferiority complex. And Neji is antagonistic towards her to the bitter end, although she, tries to establish a close familial relationship with him adressing him as her own brother, he insists to call her Lady and distance her. Eventhough both of them have suffered because of the Hyuga, While Hinata is offering Neji her kindness and a chance to reconcile his anger, Neji rejects it as his hatred for the Main branch blinds him from seeing Hinata's suffering. Their relationship is in contrast the main family which enslaves the branch family. Neji have misdirected anger for Hinata which he tries to justify in different ways, because he believes that he can't do anything about his situation, the only thing he can do is deflect it with aggression towards someone who used to symbolize the main family, even though she too was betrayed by them. In this sense Hinata is the same as Naruto, someone who gets unjustified anger towards them for the circusmtances they were born with, but both of them tried to change their situations by chosing different paths from what fate had in store for them, compared to Neji. Neji feels like he is treated in an unjust way by the Hyuga and since he can't do anything about it, he calls his situation fate and hides in it, wallowing in self pity and hate, stagnating himself in it. Neji also represent the core aspect of her past self, which is giving up, so this can also be interpret as Hinata challenging her past self in order to cast it away. Neji beleives that if he couldn't change his standing in the clan with all his skill and effort, she couldn't change as well. And with this he have already given up on trying to change. He believes that everyone should follow the path they are supposed to and live within the confinements of their fate and that going against it has reprecussions as his father suffered. So it angers him to see people try to defy fate and when they are unable to as he too wasn't able to, he rationalizes being unable to change by putting it on fate. He beleives that Hinata can't change, judging by how the past Hinata acted he beleives that Hinata would forfiet the match, he wants her to forfiet because if she chose to fight, it means she have changed herself and that would mean he lost ideologically to her. So he would do whatever he could to make her forfiet. That's it for now. I've written this up to the proud failure speech, but I have trouble tying up the themes together.😊
@@gallenberger1 I wish but I'm nowhere near completing this analysis, I'm a perfectionist so once I complete maybe😂😁 But if you like to use any material from here on your future videos feel free.. Here's the rest of the analysis until the part I'm having trouble with, In this fight, fuelled by his preconceptions of the past Hinata, he doubts her resolve and questions her mental fortitude and he uses Hinata's body language as a weapon to poke at her past mistakes, Neji berates her character and dismantles her psyche in an attempt to expose her failures and prove himself right, that she cannot change herself. He pressures her psychologically to confront her past failures and doubts that she thought of herself. This only confirms to herself that she is a failure and it eats away at whatever resolve/courage she built coming to the exams. These harsh remarks of her past terrorises her psyche and in resurfacing her insecurities, she reverts her back to her past self and she begins to display signs of anxiety. Using the her involuntary gestures that she displays as a result of her coping mechanism to rising panic, she displays a meek demeanour. Neji compares Hinata's past self with her current and says that she haven't changed and will not, that she is unfit to become a Ninja with her non-confrontational and kind self that lacks in agency, in order to confirm his own ideology that people cannot change. Neji continues to judge Hinata, that since Hinata haven't changed from the past, she will not in this fight either and tries to convince her to forfiet by telling her that since she lost in the past she will fail here too, calling it her fate. He calls Hinata a failure and labels her as such just like how her father did, and says that she wouldn't be able to change as going against fate is impossible in his eyes. As her fathers views of her and her own doubts of her being reinforced by Neji, judging her just like her father did in the past, crumbles her own image of trying to change and it makes her panic thinking that she might really be a failure. Hinata's crisis resonates with Naruto, as he too is labelled a failure and is reduced to a monster by the village. He is trying to rid himself of those labels in order to get acknowledged by everyone. Therefore Naruto despises Nejis ideology of labelling people and sees himself in Hinata, so it agitates him to see Hinata not talking back to Neji. And so he screams at Hinata to stand up for herself and beat Neji as he would if he was in her place. In the past whenever Hinata felt down, she would find the strength to keep trying in Naruto and his Nindo. In believing Naruto, she was able to restore her belief in herself, as she sees Naruto as the living embodiment of proof of strength to continue. This situation has the same effect on her, Naruto reminds her of her belief in him and therefore herself, restoring the confidence she lost and she is grateful to him for it. For the first time in her life, Hinata decides to take the initiative, a stark contrast with her past cowardly self which used to avoid confrontation in the slightest. Neji, noticing Hinata's change in mental attitude and stance, now displaying confidence, is annoyed that his efforts thus far have been futile and fights her. Hinata's resolve this time around is evident in her being the first to strike Neji in contrast to her past fight with Hanabi. Although Hinata fights with her best, she couldn't win against the genius, so she loses repeatedly and even when her heart and body gives up she continues to push herself, repeating her Nindo/ideals that she and Naruto share, in order to change while proving Nejis preconceptions of her and her fate wrong many times over. Naruto finds this quality similar to himself, relates to her and acknowledges her for her strength and ideals, just like how she acknowledged him. And so he roots for her. Neji who is still unable to grasp the reason for Hinata's tenaciousness as he doesn't think people can go against their fate questions her motives in trying to keep the fight going, even when she knows that she already lost. He doesn't understand that Hinata already won against him by proving him wrong and changing herself as a person. He still believes that Hinata is just acting tough and tries his failed mental tactics at her again, judging her for her past and trying to convince her to be obedient to the path her fate have layed over her to follow as it would give her freedom from her own suffering. Neji doesn't realize the contradiction in this statement as he is the one who is suffering by stagnating in his past while Hinata who have managed to change, is free from her past weakness which had kept her stagnating. Hinata calls him out on it, which angers Neji as Hinata now pokes at his ideology, showing it's hypocrisies. The fight ends with Neji trying to lash out his anger on Hinata, losing composure, providing us with a stark conrast of their mindsets with the start of the fight. In the aftermath where Hinata is about to die, even then her thoughts are whether if she was able to change and so when Naruto came to her to see if she is okay after the fight, what she asks herself mentally is if she was able to change as a person, she also seeks validation from Naruto who inspired her to change and is also trying to change like herself. Naruto who feels the need to avenge Hinata and defend their shared ideals, makes a blood oath using Hinata's spilt blood to win against Neji and prove him wrong as he labelled both Hinata and himself failures. Naruto using Hinata's blood to make the oath is a representation of Naruto carrying out Hinata's ideals and resolve on behalf of her, as her blood symbolises the pain and suffering she had to endure in order to protect their ideals. Naruto recognises Neji as a strong opponent but believes that he can beat Neji. He is fearless and is very confident in himself and training with Jiraiya in summoning and controlling his Nine tails chakra only boosts his confidence even more. But this lasts only till he meets Gaara at the hospital, to whom he is initially faces fearlessly, even knowing his prowess when he fought Lee, but as he learns more about Gaara's character and his past, loses belief in himself. Naruto see his past self in Gaara, how they were feared for their power, labeled as monsters and were ostracised by the villagers and in being denied of their existences they sought to find their reasons to exist/purpose in life. Naruto found his purpose for living in being acknowledged as Iruka was there to accept Naruto's existence, and in being acknowledged he feels deep gratitude towards Iruka and those who made him feel that it is okay to live. But Gaara found his purpose in killing people who wished to kill him thus confirming to himself his existence as everyone else continued denying his existence, living in constant fear of death made him feel that way as his definition of love was love for himself and that other people exists to provide him reason to live, to give him a purpose and therefore in a twisted way, to provide him love. As long as people lived to kill him, he would have a reason to exist. The thought that Naruto could have ended up like Gaara terrifies Naruto. Naruto thinks that Gaara is the product of not having someone acknowledge him, an alternate self of Naruto which he thinks must be stronger than him since Naruto needed Iruka to be saved, while Gaara is surviving on his own all alone, trusting in only himself and living for only himself, loving only himself, without yearning acknowledgement from others in what Naruto believes to be in the worst pain of solitude. Naruto loses his belief in himself and his own strength after this confrontation as he concludes he wouldn't be able to win against someone like Gaara. Naruto, who feels weak after meeting Gaara feels pressured to fight Neji although he was confident in fighting Neji prior to this incident. Since Neji can tear down a person mentally by looking into their insecurities, Naruto knows that if he were to fight Neji as he is right now, he would lose. He feels inadequate, intimidated and he doubts himself as he have completely lost belief in himself. Even trying to cheer up himself as he have done in the past in face of fear doesn't work as he is reminded to how strong his opponents are compared to him. And therefore he visits the training grounds where he first felt accepted, to regain some of the lost confidence by reminiscing his past, seeking acknowledgement and to draw strength that he believes he lacks, from it. Here he meets Hinata who have dealt with the exact same dilemma Naruto is facing and offers her views on belief/strength. Sources for the first paragraphs of my analysis are the special episodes that were released alongside The LAST Naruto movie as an 1 hour special, the shippuden episodes 389 and 390 which elaborates on the Hyuga conflict a bit more than the manga. The rest is straight from the manga.
Always thought he and the entire Akatsuki had a stupid motivation and plan. "Lets stop war and desth by startinf a war and killing millions". I prefer Freeza as a villain, he kills indiscriminately and never revives people because the main character was nice to him
14:57 I dont think that held up well as given in both the Boruto anime and Boruto Manga, Naruto never visited or brought about any changes in the Hidden Rain and its still the same
Sadly Nagato was right. His village is the worst part to life in, even in that new peacefull era. Naruto broke his promise and mostly only the great nations realy have peace.
I'd say he's a very satisfying villain but he's also a shocking character in that he was quite literally a super powerful character that was being manipulated by someone else. Even us, the viewers got the glimpse of him taking orders from someone else and it surprised Naruto that his father's chakra mind remnant knew about this. His father's chakra mind remnant recognized the similarity between the one taunting Kakashi's team searching for Sasuke and the one he fought those years ago when Naruto was born. The problem with calling Pain the last villain is that it ignores the problems that the Uchiha, specifically Sasuke(but Obito is important too, as you mentioned him I'm throwing his name out there) are dealing with. And without the reveal of the nature of Black Zetsu, we have no clear answer as to why the Uchiha really met such a foul end and we would also have no knowledge of the true source of Sasuke's personal suffering without him arguing with Madara just as he retreats into the background yet again for his goal to take his place. And Sasuke is still on Naruto's mind because Naruto wants to redeem his friend. I think they did a great job with the villains, but I expected more out of the Kabuto Sage Mode. To me, he could have at least had some sort of mild comeback.
Pain's speech brings goosebumps every time. And ehat a fight it was!!! A shame the nine tails part was ruined in thr anime. But still, one of the best arcs in Naruto.
I’ve made many videos about this topic about pain’s character, but I’m curious about your response! I personally believe pain & Konan were planning to take down Obito! Konan said to Obito right before trying to blow him up. She said she wasn’t just by his side the whole time taking orders, but she was also taking caution of how his ability works for one day to get rid of them. People always wonder how did she have time to make billions of paper bombs? this is my theory, when Obito & Zestu were not around in the rain village. It’s a possibility they were both working together for those 15 years. Planning to one day take him down. Pain agreed to work with Obito originally because he believed in his ideology. BUT! Obito also stated Nagato can be heavily influenced, if you can talk the right words to him. You can say since Konan NEVER LIKED OBITO FROM THE START. She influenced him as time went on to start thinking for himself. Obito fans keep getting things messed up, Obito never created pain to do half of what he was doing. Nagato’s ideology isn’t even his. Words like (I’ll become a god and change this world) and sharing the same pain to understand each other. THAT ALL CAME FROM YAHIKO! Nagato said to Naruto that his best friend’s dream became his dream. There’s something that the fans get wrong when they say pain is being used by Obito.. Pain started to forge his own plan after knowing more about the tailed beast from Obito. Pain started to develop his own world plans that Yahiko wanted. Not the same direction, but the same motivation. Pain had already made a deal with Obito’s partnership. He can’t just walk out and leave because for one, Nagato’s body is crippled. He can’t do anything, Obito can literally end him at any moment if he chose to. Even if pain has his goals, he can’t do anything with Obito and Zestu around. Have you ever noticed when pain is alone, he talks very highly about himself talking about how he has the solution to fix this world! But when he’s around Obito & Zestu, Pain’s personality is very tamed and his talking pattern is very vulnerable. Pain knows Zestu Will report everything to Obito if he’s not careful. Pain is in a situation where he can’t do anything, there’s a difference between believing in someone else’s ideology vs following orders because you are trying to survive! Kishimoto gave us some hints between their relationship, but it was never fully executed and I find it interesting how Nagato NEVER talks about Obito, like at all! Like Pain pretends Obito doesn’t exist when he’s alone. People say that pain was told a lie about what the tailed beast were being used for. But there’s nothing stated in the manga that Obito told him a different story or told him what the plan originally was. So you can even argue that pain is creating his own plan because there was no plan at all mentioned! But I never agreed with that theory because it makes no sense to me, there’s no way they knew each other for 15 years working side-by-side, and nobody was under the impression of what was going on?! In the anime Obito told Konan before they fought. Obito said both you and Pain supposedly agreed with my moon plan which implies pain knew fully well of what was going on. But he simply did not care because he was going in a completely different direction. There’s another thing that makes absolutely no sense to me. Why does Obito need money for the moon plan?? Really Obito needs money, the same guy who doesn’t care about anything in the world. He needs money to operate the Moon plan?? If Obito lied to him about what was going on, that also makes things difficult because Obito screwed himself on what was going to happen with the tailed beast. Pain’s plan about auctioning off the Tailed beast does require money, while Obito’s plan doesn’t require cash!! Which is proof to me that these plans had nothing in common. How can Obito create the moon plan if pain is going to give away the tail beast to other countries and lands to start a war? The tailed beast have to be in the statue in one place for it to even happen to turn into the divine tree. Once again Pain and Konan were not seeing eye to eye with Obito. Plus, Obito was going to take Pain’s eyes. And we all know pain isn’t going to just handover his eyes so easily. They were both going to fight regardless at some point. I’m curious to know your thoughts! It took me four years to understand pain’s character. 👀
This is a great write up, and while I'm not in a place where I can confirm or dispute specifics (I rewatched all the Pain episodes for this but hardly anything else) I do think this theory seems plausible, and I'd enjoy it being true.
@@gallenberger1 Ik hes in the thumbnail. I'm being... well i dont know what I'm being. I'm sure theres a word for it that I learnt in English class back in highschool, but I cant remember. Anyway the point is, this is just my way of expressing my strong disagree with you proposition that "Pain" is "Anime's greatest villain". I mean he isnt even close in my eyes. The video shoulda maybe been about: - Yagami Light (yes he is a villain. He's not an antagonist but he is a villain) - Johan Liebert - from naruto, either Obito or Madara (imo Obito) Theres a few other good ones that I dont remember. I haven't been watching too much anime recently, since most of the newer ones are all just the same old story with different character art and abilities. And no real lessons or deeper Philosophies or even emotion to them.
@@zile8869 Yeah, I know what you meant, I was messing with you 🤣 Big fan of Light and Madara, both are great. For sure will be making a Madara vid at some point
I like to believe that Nagato became a true god after he went back to the after life during the 4th war He was completely right, 4th great war made the ninja world unite, but during naruto’s time as hokage they mention in books and stuff that peace could disappear at the drop of a hat and lead to war
DAMN IT Nagato aka Pain is one of my favs though i dont really think him as a villian i know he attack the leaf village but take one look at his background and you see why
Obviously undoing what he did makes sense from a character perspective. At the same time it is still a cop-out. Narratively you get all these character moments and emotional highs for the story with all these amazing death scenes and instead of committing to it you avoid responsibility for them.
I get your point and I think their death would have raise the stakes for the next arcs, especially Kakashi’s, but the revival is an essential part of this arc otherwise you got no people and no reason to praise Naruto. Naruto being hugged and loved by the whole village while being proclaimed hero of the Leaf is the most important and cathartic moment of the series as he reaches his ultimate goal of being accepted, he don’t even need to become Hokage anymore. The revival wasn’t a problem, it’s just that after that arc they should have been more ruthless with deaths of main characters. The only main character who dies after this is Neji if I remember correctly, and he didn’t do jackshit in Shippuden
@@comealsolito804 huh? I don’t think you get the point. Reviving them is not necessary. For example reviving Madara is essential for the story, reviving the konoha ninja is just a cop out. It’s a cheap gimmick to hit the emotional highs of a character’s death without having to deal with the consequences of those deaths. Crazy idea but hear me out, you don’t kill Kakashi and Hinata and you’re fine. Give em fake out deaths if you really have to. Those are annoying too but still a step below reviving the dead. Pain kills a lot of no names, the toad, and Shizune. Naruto beats him and is still a hero for that.
@@hackmxn Actually for this scene to function you don’t need Kakashi and Hinata, they could have been killed off, but you need the Konoha village to be alive, and you need Naruto to be the hero. Maybe it would have been perfect if they’d found a way to do that without any resurrection, maybe you kill half of the village with Naruto saving the rest but honestly that wouldn’t have been that difficult to do, I think Kishimoto has considered that but then decided that the reviving would have fitted better and would have made it even more emotional, again this is the most cathartic moment of the entire series and Kishimoto knew that. The biggest problem is the fact that the War Arc didn’t kill any main character other than Neji. If, let’s say, characters like Kakashi, Guy, Shikamaru, Choji etc. would have died in the war, the series would have kept the stakes and this scene would have remained a singular case
L Thumbnail should have been the Rinnegan or Nagato. It’s crazy how the strongest character at the time had such a frail body. Kishimoto creating peak as always.
Good video but one the dumbest ideas that's I've ever is that pain makes people unite. It's sooooo dumb and watching you defend it is sad. Look at the places where there is the most suffering. Do you think people are united there! Pain breeds hate more than love.
Pain was right by the way. His goal was "I will have all of the power and will stop all conflict" and that's what happened. Naruto and Sasuke were the strongest and no open conflict happened bc Naruto could beat any army. And sasuke took care of any threats in the shadows
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very nice video analysis! looking forward to more 😊
@@ADIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Thanks! Who are some other characters you enjoy?
@@gallenberger1
I really love Obito's backstory and how he turned to accept Madara's beliefs (even if Rin's death was manipulated). I myself think Madara's end goal was reasonable in a sense but of course the reckless violence he put others through was sad (though he had no choice).
oh also Haku, even though that part was short.
@@ADIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I touched on Haku a little bit in another Naruto video
@@gallenberger1 I'll watch it while I eat my dinner rn:))
I still get chills hearing Pain’s cycle of hatred speech…such a complex and powerful character that left an a huge impact on anime. Awesome analysis!
@Dougall12 Probably my favorite speech in all of anime. Such an iconic moment
his speech is reason why I got pain tattooed on me, don’t ever want to forget it.
@@kaydenhenry1807 Incredible
Can we agree that Pain(Deva path) is the best designed male character in anime? (Looks, voice, posture and initial intro to his abilities). If you agree, who's second? .
@@lilmario0 Does Vegeta count?
Doflamingo for me.
@@JohnMarston-s3x Haven't gotten there yet
@@gallenberger1 Where are you upto?
@@JohnMarston-s3x ...Skypiea
Nagato has such a powerful story. I'll watch vids of his character for days
@snugclub if onlywe got Nagato vs Sage Kabuto
Pain Counter had me locked in. I heard about him right when I started Naruto and allll I wanted to do was get to this arc
The second he popped up for the first time I was sold. From there it only got better
When you fully understand the villain, he becomes a misunderstood hero
That's a banger line
Think this is my favorite Pain video out there. Love the Pain counter and bringing in real world references. By watching this video all the way through...... I gotta say I truly know Pain
Who knew the counter would get where it did
I feel very bad for pain,in boruto his village is still in shambles naruto and kishimoto forgot their promise with pain.😭
@@cold-otaku Disappointing no doubt
Literally the peak of Naruto. The build up was so emotional and captivating, all those mysteries around the six paths of Pain and the Rinnegan, Jiraya’s fight and death, Naruto training for Sage Mode, Pain destroying the Leaf killing Kakashi.. all leading up to the Naruto vs Pain fight which is the best fight of the series conceptually wise. Pain is the first villain who Naruto can’t talknojustu as he went through something that Naruto couldn’t comprehend, so this is the first time a villain leaves Naruto speechless. Until the end of the battle, when he is able to empathize with Pain and manage to spare his life breaking the cycle of hatred. Then he comes back to the village and people cheered him as the hero of the Leaf. This is when the series reaches two of the most important goals: breaking the cycle of hatred and Naruto’s acceptence from the village
@@comealsolito804 Beautifully said 👏
"With that dagger" It's a kunai, you had one job. 😢
💔
One of the most elite character in anime history.
@@LeaoK2 Agreed! Who are some others?
13:34 Perhaps the scariest sentence anyone from the naruto verse could EVER hear
"Naruto is here, and he wants to talk."
@@seadee2834 🤣🤣🤣 Pain knew and started attacking asap
Pain is the best Naruto villain. I would’ve classified him as an antagonist but he DOES massacre everyone in Konoha and formed the Akatsuki (also why the heck do they hire others based on how EVIL they are, despite fighting for peace and everyone’s happiness? Random thing I noticed lol). Pain directly contradicted everything about Naruto, prior to the end of his arc and he even almost changed Naruto’s view on the world.
lol that's a great catch, never even thought of that. But yeah, he's full villain when he massacres the whole village even though we know why he did it. How'd you view the end of the arc?
@@gallenberger1 like AoT, a good anti-war message where you should treat people with love and respect and not treat wars as a way to get money and greedily gain more land for the sake of it.
@@sonicgamer178 Beautifully said
Thats because they changed it as it went on. If you go back to early Shippuden where the Akatsuki meet as silhouettes. Pain explains the goal to Hidan.
It was originally World domination, They were going to corner the market on War and the tailed beasts were going to be used to wipe out the Nations. He explains it in 3 steps.
Then its never brought up again and we go to Pains nuke everyone for Peace plan, It then shifts again to Infinite Tsukuyomi which was even worse and even that plan gets retconned into a Kaguya/Zetsu Army/Chakra gathering plan.
Pain was the main reason I got into anime. His story was so deep and the pain he went through so bad it was touching to me with life events.
@karmiah100 As good a reason as any! Always cool to see others he's impacted
Kishimoto was COOKING when he created Pain, that character design is so solid
@@kobeeater3636 💯 all time classic
Really great video, perhaps the best I've seen on Pain! 15:53 I agree that this would've been a good conclusion to the series but Kishimoto wanted Naruto to experience the war and it's senseless violence that Nagato spoke of, that's the main reason why the war arc came after it.
@lunarhinata8889 Yeah, that's totally understandable. Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it!
@@gallenberger1 You should check out Craftsdwarf and Mathwiz, they have a really good understanding of Naruto's themes and also they are the OG's of Naruto analysis content!
People who don’t understand how great pain reviving everyone is didn’t get the story lmao, if Naruto didn’t learn pain killed everyone but because Naruto learned from his past and from minato he makes the right choice by choosing to spare pain and is rewarded with the lives of his people
@@tristantorres3558 Exactly. That was me for a long time 😅
No, We can understand something and not like it lol.
Naruto moving past his hatred, sparing Pain and proving him wrong is great, Naruto being revealed as the actual child of prophecy and Nagato believing in him is great too. I thought the closure for his character was awesome.
We dont have to like the revival of dead people though. It cheapens death and makes it meaningless, It takes away from everything Pain did. Its like Dragonball, The sacrifices are absolutely meaningless in that show.
Naruto did know he killed everyone because he sense it in sage mode. He even asks Tsunade if Kakashi was out of the village because he couldn't sense him, but her silence told him he couldn't sense him because he was dead
@@JohnMarston-s3x I get your point and I think their death would have raise the stakes for the next arcs, especially Kakashi’s, but the revival is an essential part of this arc otherwise you got no people and no reason to praise Naruto. Naruto being hugged and loved by the whole village while being proclaimed hero of the Leaf is the most important and cathartic moment of the series as he reaches his ultimate goal of being accepted, he don’t even need to become Hokage anymore. The revival wasn’t a problem, it’s just that after that arc they should have been more ruthless with the deaths of main characters. The only main character who dies after this is Neji if I remember correctly, and he didn’t do jackshit in Shippuden
@@JohnMarston-s3x I get your point and I think their death would have raise the stakes for the next arcs, especially Kakashi’s, but the revival is an essential part of this arc otherwise you got no people and no reason to praise Naruto. Naruto being hugged and loved by the whole village while being proclaimed hero of the Leaf is the most important and cathartic moment of the series as he reaches his ultimate goal of being accepted, he don’t even need to become Hokage anymore. The revival wasn’t a problem, it’s just that after that arc they should have been more ruthless with deaths of main characters. The only main character who dies after this is Neji if I remember correctly, and he didn’t do jackshit in Shippuden
RIP 🐸 😭
We hardly knew yee, Pa
well made video, i never get tired of people diving into this character
Thank you! He's such an awesome character. Love seeing fellow fans of his
"Switch with me BOY"
"Aight 5 min"
11:25 First person that popped into mind is Eren Yéagar.
@@OmenGoldhelm Hell yeah 😎
Today, everyone shall know Pain.
@@MJVanD 🙌
Agreed Pain is by far the best villain ever created
You and me both 👊 who else is up there for you?
@@gallenberger1
Just to name a few who I think are up there Vader, Joker, Sidious, Obito, Boros and Vector from yugioh zexal are also great villains
@@CosmicDominator Quite the solid list
Hanzo was all for the peace effort before Danzo stepped in and lied to him saying that the peace effort was just to get Hanzos guard down so they could take control, Hanzo was played by Danzo because word of the peace movement had reached the village hidden in the leaves and Danzo didn’t like that idea, thought it would endanger the leaf, so he done what he does best and ruined a good thing 😢
@@unknowntraveler9576 That bastard Danzo 🤬
Everything leading up to pain is peak Naruto, idc what anyone says. The overall quality went off a cliff after nagatos death. Shippuden still had some great moments, but just wasn't as good after the arc imo
@@JustSomeDude848 The build and intro were crazy
honestly one thing I loved about the ending to the pain arc is also Naruto's growth as a person a lot of people miss the point of Naruto and Nagato's conversation with some even calling Naruto a pussy for not killing Nagato and getting revenge for Jirayia. The reason Naruto didn't kill Nagato wasn't because he forgave him for what he did even after hearing it was the leaf that screwed Nagato over Naruto still hated Nagato for what he did but unlike most Naruto didn't react on those emotions because if he did he'd be disrespecting his masters wish and he loved Jiraiya too much to do that, that honestly takes a big man to do to walk away from something that is justified but deep down on a personal level you feel is wrong
@@lightyoshiman Great comment!
Every time he says pain take a drink 🎉😊
@@beastybear4499 You'll be in for a rough time 🤣
Btw my character analysis that I told you is on Hinata, really underrated in terms of writing imo cause a lot of people neglect her for the troupe and looks nothing past it, a lot of people love her for the wrong reason and very little understand her. My analysis has a lot more to be close to complete but if you are interested in giving a quick read I'll post it in the comments.😁
Hinata was born to the world shouldering the responsibility of her family, to lead the Prestigious, traditional and old Hyuga clan with a strong unwavering fist. But her personality was that of a soft spoken girl who was kind, gentle and empathetic, her name literally translates to "Pure white lily facing the sun" to signify her purity as a character and a person.
Although Hinata undergoes rigorous and painful training with her father, Hiashi doesn't see her as fit to rule over their clan because of her kind nature. Therefore, Hiashi, as the
strict leader of the Hyuga clan pits her against her younger sister Hanabi in an attempt to motivate Hinata. In this match Hinata lost to her sister since she was unable to land the final blow out of kindness for her sister, Hiashi who saw this as hesitancy and weakness for the sake of their clan disowns her and essentially kicks her out of his family, which deals a critical blow to her self esteem. To Hinata her value was in her purpose that was bestowed upon her by her father, to be the heir of the Hyuga clan. His judgement and views of her alongside with the path he layed on her to follow overruled her childhood. In disowning her, Hiashi essentially stripped Hinata of her self worth, which lead Hinata in a dark path.
Hinata being born with high expectations and being unable to fullfill them to her family left her with a psychological scar in her early years as she felt inadequate, weak and an unloved failure who cursed the way she was. She berrates herself for her past failures and constantly undermines herself. Which in turn made her unable to believe, trust nor love herself and it lead her on a downward spiral of self hate and guilt. She betrayed herself and lost all will to fight and change. She developed an inferiority complex and her repeated failures in missions and in training because of her inability to trust in herself, only made things worse for her. Although she trained very hard every day, it means nothing if she couldn't believe in herself. Because of her past failures she has also developed a fear in failing and so she thought that it is better to stay a failure than to try and fail, and so she gives up on everything, failing herself.
These feelings would eventually lead to the Hinata we see in early part of Naruto, a depressed mess with social anxiety which is seen through her general mannerisms(her shyness & being easily flustured, avoiding social confrontations by avoiding talking and looking down while talking to another, nervousness, stutter and shaky voice etc..). She is passive, indecisive, hesitant and always prefers to be in the background of situations that she is put in, she is always overruled by her peers and her opinions aren't cared even by them as she lacks agency.
Even her character design of wearing cozy long sleeved sweaters as if to hide from everyone, and not showing her skin in the slightest compared to other kunoichi because she doesn't see the value in such things and certainly wants no spotlight as she hates being judged by people, like how her father and her clan by extension did with her in the past.
Around this time she sees Naruto, another loner in the world who struggles with similar feelings of worth, depression, acceptance and failure but a degree worse that what she has to deal with, and yet he faces the world with a smile and a firm belief in himself. He is judged by people around him and despised by them for his circumstances similar to how she was judged and hated for hers by her family, but he is dealing with even worse prejudice. She relates to his struggles of acceptance and mostly his confidence/his ability to believe in himself, the
trait that she wishes for. As a similar failure, she knows how easy it is to give up and lose your worth after constant failure and how discouraging it is. Although her worth was stripped away by her father and her clan in disowning her, Naruto didn't have a sense of self worth to begin with, since no one beleived in him in the first place, but he never gave up on himself and stopped trying like she did, to be acknowledged by people and therefore gaining a sense of self worth. Seeing how he fails repetedly but never gives up, she recognizes Naruto's strength and is motivated herself to try harder and in turn beleive and accept herself, that she too could maybe change if she never gave up on herself. Naruto essentially is restoring her sense of self worth that was stripped away by her father when she abandoned her. And therefore Hinata finds purpose in Naruto in seeing that Naruto is still trying to change himself. Hinata thought that she only had a single path to follow that was given to her by her family, but watching Naruto teaches her that she herself has to find the purpose/path for herself and that it is possible to restore ones self worth by following another path. Watching Naruto and his quality to never give up basically fills her with hope, belief, self worth and purpose making her able to accept/love herself again.
She sees Naruto as a person who although fails, have the ability to stand back up and keep on fighting for his goals, unlike herself from the past who just accepted their fate and stayed sulking with the hand they were dealt with. Seeing this redefines her ideology on strength and makes her wish for that strength for herself too. As she says herself when Naruto doubts himself when he was going to fight Neji, True strength is to never give up and keep on trying even at worst odds, that is also why she calls Naruto a proud failure. A failure who never gives up on trying to change themselves for the better, until they eventually succeed. Her belief in Naruto is based on this aspect of him, this is further emphasized by the symbolical irony of their Doujutsu, the Byakugan. The Byakugan makes them look blind eventhough it grants them the ability to see through everything, but in seeing everything they are blind to their own strengths and weaknesses, which is symbolized by the blind spot. Hinata, before anyone, saw Naruto's strengths despite everyone else calling him a failure, but she was blind to her own strengths until Naruto made Hinata realize hers.
With Naruto's inspiration and of her own volition, to challenge herself and possibly change her cowardly and hesitant self, she enters the chunin exams. Although she passes the written test of the exams and displays courage, mental fortitude and strength in certain moments(such as in passing the written test, of which the aim was to measure courage and helping Naruto at her own risk) she is immediatley challenged by the living embodiment of all her flaws, Neji. A complete contrast of her, an intimidating prodigy with a superiority complex to her anxiety ridden inferiority complex. And Neji is antagonistic towards her to the bitter end, although she, tries to establish a close familial relationship with him adressing him as her own brother, he insists to call her Lady and distance her. Eventhough both of them have suffered because of the Hyuga, While Hinata is offering Neji her kindness and a chance to reconcile his anger, Neji rejects it as his hatred for the Main branch blinds him from seeing Hinata's suffering. Their relationship is in contrast the main family which enslaves the branch family. Neji have misdirected anger for Hinata which he tries to justify in different ways, because he believes that he can't do anything about his situation, the only thing he can do is deflect it with aggression towards someone who used to symbolize the main family, even though she too was betrayed by them. In this sense Hinata is the same as Naruto, someone who gets unjustified anger towards them for the circusmtances they were born with, but both of them tried to change their situations by chosing different paths from what fate had in store for them, compared to Neji. Neji feels like he is treated in an unjust way by the Hyuga and since he can't do anything about it, he calls his situation fate and hides in it, wallowing in self pity and hate, stagnating himself in it. Neji also represent the core aspect of her past self, which is giving up, so this can also be interpret as Hinata challenging her past self in order to cast it away.
Neji beleives that if he couldn't change his standing in the clan with all his skill and effort, she couldn't change as well. And with this he have already given up on trying to change. He believes that everyone should follow the path they are supposed to and live within the confinements of their fate and that going against it has reprecussions as his father suffered. So it angers him to see people try to defy fate and when they are unable to as he too wasn't able to, he rationalizes being unable to change by putting it on fate. He beleives that Hinata can't change, judging by how the past Hinata acted he beleives that Hinata would forfiet the match, he wants her to forfiet because if she chose to fight, it means she have changed herself and that would mean he lost ideologically to her. So he would do whatever he could to make her forfiet.
That's it for now. I've written this up to the proud failure speech, but I have trouble tying up the themes together.😊
@@lunarhinata8889 Are you going to post this somewhere or make a video?
@@lunarhinata8889 I like it too. The visual representation of her character and the Neji relationship stuff was great
@@gallenberger1 I wish but I'm nowhere near completing this analysis, I'm a perfectionist so once I complete maybe😂😁 But if you like to use any material from here on your future videos feel free..
Here's the rest of the analysis until the part I'm having trouble with,
In this fight, fuelled by his preconceptions of the past Hinata, he doubts her resolve and questions her mental fortitude and he uses Hinata's body language as a weapon to poke at her past mistakes, Neji berates her character and dismantles her psyche in an attempt to expose her failures and prove himself right, that she cannot change herself. He pressures her psychologically to confront her past failures and doubts that she thought of herself. This only confirms to herself that she is a failure and it eats away at whatever resolve/courage she built coming to the exams. These harsh remarks of her past terrorises her psyche and in resurfacing her insecurities, she reverts her back to her past self and she begins to display signs of anxiety. Using the her involuntary gestures that she displays as a result of her coping mechanism to rising panic, she displays a meek demeanour. Neji compares Hinata's past self with her current and says that she haven't changed and will not, that she is unfit to become a Ninja with her non-confrontational and kind self that lacks in agency, in order to confirm his own ideology that people cannot change. Neji continues to judge Hinata, that since Hinata haven't changed from the past, she will not in this fight either and tries to convince her to forfiet by telling her that since she lost in the past she will fail here too, calling it her fate. He calls Hinata a failure and labels her as such just like how her father did, and says that she wouldn't be able to change as going against fate is impossible in his eyes. As her fathers views of her and her own doubts of her being reinforced by Neji, judging her just like her father did in the past, crumbles her own image of trying to change and it makes her panic thinking that she might really be a failure.
Hinata's crisis resonates with Naruto, as he too is labelled a failure and is reduced to a monster by the village. He is trying to rid himself of those labels in order to get acknowledged by everyone. Therefore Naruto despises Nejis ideology of labelling people and sees himself in Hinata, so it agitates him to see Hinata not talking back to Neji. And so he screams at Hinata to stand up for herself and beat Neji as he would if he was in her place.
In the past whenever Hinata felt down, she would find the strength to keep trying in Naruto and his Nindo. In believing Naruto, she was able to restore her belief in herself, as she sees Naruto as the living embodiment of proof of strength to continue. This situation has the same effect on her, Naruto reminds her of her belief in him and therefore herself, restoring the confidence she lost and she is grateful to him for it. For the first time in her life, Hinata decides to take the initiative, a stark contrast with her past cowardly self which used to avoid confrontation in the slightest. Neji, noticing Hinata's change in mental attitude and stance, now displaying confidence, is annoyed that his efforts thus far have been futile and fights her.
Hinata's resolve this time around is evident in her being the first to strike Neji in contrast to her past fight with Hanabi. Although Hinata fights with her best, she couldn't win against the genius, so she loses repeatedly and even when her heart and body gives up she continues to push herself, repeating her Nindo/ideals that she and Naruto share, in order to change while proving Nejis preconceptions of her and her fate wrong many times over. Naruto finds this quality similar to himself, relates to her and acknowledges her for her strength and ideals, just like how she acknowledged him. And so he roots for her.
Neji who is still unable to grasp the reason for Hinata's tenaciousness as he doesn't think people can go against their fate questions her motives in trying to keep the fight going, even when she knows that she already lost. He doesn't understand that Hinata already won against him by proving him wrong and changing herself as a person. He still believes that Hinata is just acting tough and tries his failed mental tactics at her again, judging her for her past and trying to convince her to be obedient to the path her fate have layed over her to follow as it would give her freedom from her own suffering. Neji doesn't realize the contradiction in this statement as he is the one who is suffering by stagnating in his past while Hinata who have managed to change, is free from her past weakness which had kept her stagnating. Hinata calls him out on it, which angers Neji as Hinata now pokes at his ideology, showing it's hypocrisies. The fight ends with Neji trying to lash out his anger on Hinata, losing composure, providing us with a stark conrast of their mindsets with the start of the fight. In the aftermath where Hinata is about to die, even then her thoughts are whether if she was able to change and so when Naruto came to her to see if she is okay after the fight, what she
asks herself mentally is if she was able to change as a person, she also seeks validation from Naruto who inspired her to change and is also trying to change like herself.
Naruto who feels the need to avenge Hinata and defend their shared ideals, makes a blood oath using Hinata's spilt blood to win against Neji and prove him wrong as he labelled both Hinata and himself failures. Naruto using Hinata's blood to make the oath is a representation of Naruto carrying out Hinata's ideals and resolve on behalf of her, as her blood symbolises the pain and suffering she had to endure in order to protect their ideals.
Naruto recognises Neji as a strong opponent but believes that he can beat Neji. He is fearless and is very confident in himself and training with Jiraiya in summoning and controlling his Nine tails chakra only boosts his confidence even more. But this lasts only till he meets Gaara at the hospital, to whom he is initially faces fearlessly, even knowing his prowess when he fought Lee, but as he learns more about Gaara's character and his past, loses belief in himself.
Naruto see his past self in Gaara, how they were feared for their power, labeled as monsters and were ostracised by the villagers and in being denied of their existences they sought to find their reasons to exist/purpose in life. Naruto found his purpose for living in being acknowledged as Iruka was there to accept Naruto's existence, and in being acknowledged he feels deep gratitude towards Iruka and those who made him feel that it is okay to live. But Gaara found his purpose in killing people who wished to kill him thus
confirming to himself his existence as everyone else continued denying his existence, living in constant fear of death made him feel that way as his definition of love was love for himself and that other people exists to provide him reason to live, to give him a purpose and therefore in a twisted way, to provide him love. As long as people lived to kill him, he would have a reason to exist.
The thought that Naruto could have ended up like Gaara terrifies Naruto. Naruto thinks that Gaara is the product of not having someone acknowledge him, an alternate self of Naruto which he thinks must be stronger than him since Naruto needed Iruka to be saved, while Gaara is surviving on his own all alone, trusting in only himself and living for only himself, loving only himself, without yearning acknowledgement from others in what Naruto believes to be in the worst pain of solitude. Naruto loses his belief in himself and his own strength after this confrontation as he concludes he wouldn't be able to win against someone like Gaara.
Naruto, who feels weak after meeting Gaara feels pressured to fight Neji although he was confident in fighting Neji prior to this incident. Since Neji can tear down a person mentally by looking into their insecurities, Naruto knows that if he were to fight Neji as he is right now, he would lose. He feels inadequate, intimidated and he doubts himself as he have completely lost belief in himself. Even trying to cheer up himself as he have done in the past in face of fear doesn't work as he is reminded to how strong his opponents are compared to him. And therefore he visits the training grounds where he first felt accepted, to regain some of the lost confidence by reminiscing his past, seeking acknowledgement and to draw strength that he believes he lacks, from it. Here he meets Hinata who have dealt with the exact same dilemma Naruto is facing and offers her views on belief/strength.
Sources for the first paragraphs of my analysis are the special episodes that were released alongside The LAST Naruto movie as an 1 hour special, the shippuden episodes 389 and 390 which elaborates on the Hyuga conflict a bit more than the manga. The rest is straight from the manga.
@lunarhinata8889 If I can do it you can! It's good, you should do something with it
GOAT
Pain is so underrated
@Mr__Altair Right? Dude is a legend without being the main villain
Always thought he and the entire Akatsuki had a stupid motivation and plan. "Lets stop war and desth by startinf a war and killing millions". I prefer Freeza as a villain, he kills indiscriminately and never revives people because the main character was nice to him
I think that's an oversimplification but I see what you're saying
14:57 I dont think that held up well as given in both the Boruto anime and Boruto Manga, Naruto never visited or brought about any changes in the Hidden Rain and its still the same
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 That's unfortunate, would've been a nice touch
Sadly Nagato was right. His village is the worst part to life in, even in that new peacefull era. Naruto broke his promise and mostly only the great nations realy have peace.
@@gilgeaschwithkerk2344 Another reason why he's the 🐐
The world shall know pain
Such an epic line
I'd say he's a very satisfying villain but he's also a shocking character in that he was quite literally a super powerful character that was being manipulated by someone else. Even us, the viewers got the glimpse of him taking orders from someone else and it surprised Naruto that his father's chakra mind remnant knew about this. His father's chakra mind remnant recognized the similarity between the one taunting Kakashi's team searching for Sasuke and the one he fought those years ago when Naruto was born. The problem with calling Pain the last villain is that it ignores the problems that the Uchiha, specifically Sasuke(but Obito is important too, as you mentioned him I'm throwing his name out there) are dealing with. And without the reveal of the nature of Black Zetsu, we have no clear answer as to why the Uchiha really met such a foul end and we would also have no knowledge of the true source of Sasuke's personal suffering without him arguing with Madara just as he retreats into the background yet again for his goal to take his place. And Sasuke is still on Naruto's mind because Naruto wants to redeem his friend. I think they did a great job with the villains, but I expected more out of the Kabuto Sage Mode. To me, he could have at least had some sort of mild comeback.
Great points
A villain that has a point
I think everyone who watches his speech immediately says that 🤣where's he rank among your top villains?
@@gallenberger1 top of the list for Naruto villains. Though I would love for videos on Kabuto, , Deidara, and Kisame
Pain's speech brings goosebumps every time. And ehat a fight it was!!! A shame the nine tails part was ruined in thr anime. But still, one of the best arcs in Naruto.
How? The 9 tails part was awesome
The animation is kind of shit in the 9 tails fight but everything else is so good. Love seeing others who enjoy it as much as me
I’ve made many videos about this topic about pain’s character, but I’m curious about your response!
I personally believe pain & Konan were planning to take down Obito! Konan said to Obito right before trying to blow him up. She said she wasn’t just by his side the whole time taking orders, but she was also taking caution of how his ability works for one day to get rid of them.
People always wonder how did she have time to make billions of paper bombs? this is my theory, when Obito & Zestu were not around in the rain village. It’s a possibility they were both working together for those 15 years. Planning to one day take him down. Pain agreed to work with Obito originally because he believed in his ideology.
BUT! Obito also stated Nagato can be heavily influenced, if you can talk the right words to him. You can say since Konan NEVER LIKED OBITO FROM THE START. She influenced him as time went on to start thinking for himself. Obito fans keep getting things messed up, Obito never created pain to do half of what he was doing.
Nagato’s ideology isn’t even his. Words like (I’ll become a god and change this world) and sharing the same pain to understand each other. THAT ALL CAME FROM YAHIKO! Nagato said to Naruto that his best friend’s dream became his dream. There’s something that the fans get wrong when they say pain is being used by Obito..
Pain started to forge his own plan after knowing more about the tailed beast from Obito. Pain started to develop his own world plans that Yahiko wanted. Not the same direction, but the same motivation. Pain had already made a deal with Obito’s partnership. He can’t just walk out and leave because for one, Nagato’s body is crippled. He can’t do anything, Obito can literally end him at any moment if he chose to.
Even if pain has his goals, he can’t do anything with Obito and Zestu around. Have you ever noticed when pain is alone, he talks very highly about himself talking about how he has the solution to fix this world! But when he’s around Obito & Zestu, Pain’s personality is very tamed and his talking pattern is very vulnerable. Pain knows Zestu Will report everything to Obito if he’s not careful.
Pain is in a situation where he can’t do anything, there’s a difference between believing in someone else’s ideology vs following orders because you are trying to survive! Kishimoto gave us some hints between their relationship, but it was never fully executed and I find it interesting how
Nagato NEVER talks about Obito, like at all! Like Pain pretends Obito doesn’t exist when he’s alone.
People say that pain was told a lie about what the tailed beast were being used for. But there’s nothing stated in the manga that Obito told him a different story or told him what the plan originally was. So you can even argue that pain is creating his own plan because there was no plan at all mentioned!
But I never agreed with that theory because it makes no sense to me, there’s no way they knew each other for 15 years working side-by-side, and nobody was under the impression of what was going on?!
In the anime Obito told Konan before they fought. Obito said both you and Pain supposedly agreed with my moon plan which implies pain knew fully well of what was going on.
But he simply did not care because he was going in a completely different direction. There’s another thing that makes absolutely no sense to me. Why does Obito need money for the moon plan?? Really Obito needs money, the same guy who doesn’t care about anything in the world. He needs money to operate the Moon plan??
If Obito lied to him about what was going on, that also makes things difficult because Obito screwed himself on what was going to happen with the tailed beast. Pain’s plan about auctioning off the Tailed beast does require money, while Obito’s plan doesn’t require cash!! Which is proof to me that these plans had nothing in common.
How can Obito create the moon plan if pain is going to give away the tail beast to other countries and lands to start a war? The tailed beast have to be in the statue in one place for it to even happen to turn into the divine tree. Once again Pain and Konan were not seeing eye to eye with Obito.
Plus, Obito was going to take Pain’s eyes. And we all know pain isn’t going to just handover his eyes so easily. They were both going to fight regardless at some point. I’m curious to know your thoughts! It took me four years to understand pain’s character. 👀
This is a great write up, and while I'm not in a place where I can confirm or dispute specifics (I rewatched all the Pain episodes for this but hardly anything else) I do think this theory seems plausible, and I'd enjoy it being true.
@@gallenberger1Thank you for taking your time to read this. 🥹💙
@@delix787 Thanks for posting it!
Tf is it with this click bait? The title clearly said "Anime's greatest villain", so why on earth are you talking about pain whole damn video?
Well, he is the thumbnail...who should it have been about?
@@gallenberger1 Ik hes in the thumbnail. I'm being... well i dont know what I'm being. I'm sure theres a word for it that I learnt in English class back in highschool, but I cant remember.
Anyway the point is, this is just my way of expressing my strong disagree with you proposition that "Pain" is "Anime's greatest villain". I mean he isnt even close in my eyes.
The video shoulda maybe been about:
- Yagami Light (yes he is a villain. He's not an antagonist but he is a villain)
- Johan Liebert
- from naruto, either Obito or Madara (imo Obito)
Theres a few other good ones that I dont remember. I haven't been watching too much anime recently, since most of the newer ones are all just the same old story with different character art and abilities. And no real lessons or deeper Philosophies or even emotion to them.
@@zile8869 Yeah, I know what you meant, I was messing with you 🤣 Big fan of Light and Madara, both are great. For sure will be making a Madara vid at some point
Griffith from Berserk is the greatest villain.
@fritztheworld057 Haven't gotten far into that but I've heard great things!
I like to believe that Nagato became a true god after he went back to the after life during the 4th war
He was completely right, 4th great war made the ninja world unite, but during naruto’s time as hokage they mention in books and stuff that peace could disappear at the drop of a hat and lead to war
Would be epic. He felt the closest to one for sure
DAMN IT Nagato aka Pain is one of my favs though i dont really think him as a villian i know he attack the leaf village but take one look at his background and you see why
Fooled ya 😏but yeah he's incredible, and a lot of people don't consider him a villain because of it
@@gallenberger1 you could say the same about itachi though i wouldnt slaughter my whole clan just to save 1
@@AngelicSoulEntertainment Another fascinating character. I'll get to him at some point too
@@gallenberger1 interesting yes but hes quite stupid
@@gallenberger1 yeah though itachi wasnt the brightest i mean danzo was right there for the picking!
Literally best antagonist of anime
@@LEVEL_UP_SHOW Couldn't agree more
Obviously undoing what he did makes sense from a character perspective. At the same time it is still a cop-out. Narratively you get all these character moments and emotional highs for the story with all these amazing death scenes and instead of committing to it you avoid responsibility for them.
True however I like Kakashi
I get your point and I think their death would have raise the stakes for the next arcs, especially Kakashi’s, but the revival is an essential part of this arc otherwise you got no people and no reason to praise Naruto. Naruto being hugged and loved by the whole village while being proclaimed hero of the Leaf is the most important and cathartic moment of the series as he reaches his ultimate goal of being accepted, he don’t even need to become Hokage anymore. The revival wasn’t a problem, it’s just that after that arc they should have been more ruthless with deaths of main characters. The only main character who dies after this is Neji if I remember correctly, and he didn’t do jackshit in Shippuden
@@comealsolito804 huh? I don’t think you get the point. Reviving them is not necessary. For example reviving Madara is essential for the story, reviving the konoha ninja is just a cop out. It’s a cheap gimmick to hit the emotional highs of a character’s death without having to deal with the consequences of those deaths. Crazy idea but hear me out, you don’t kill Kakashi and Hinata and you’re fine. Give em fake out deaths if you really have to. Those are annoying too but still a step below reviving the dead. Pain kills a lot of no names, the toad, and Shizune. Naruto beats him and is still a hero for that.
@@hackmxn Actually for this scene to function you don’t need Kakashi and Hinata, they could have been killed off, but you need the Konoha village to be alive, and you need Naruto to be the hero. Maybe it would have been perfect if they’d found a way to do that without any resurrection, maybe you kill half of the village with Naruto saving the rest but honestly that wouldn’t have been that difficult to do, I think Kishimoto has considered that but then decided that the reviving would have fitted better and would have made it even more emotional, again this is the most cathartic moment of the entire series and Kishimoto knew that. The biggest problem is the fact that the War Arc didn’t kill any main character other than Neji. If, let’s say, characters like Kakashi, Guy, Shikamaru, Choji etc. would have died in the war, the series would have kept the stakes and this scene would have remained a singular case
Great vid
Thanks dawg
Meruem from HXH 👀
Don't even get me started 😅
Anime’s greatest current villian is actually tomura shigaraki
@@whoshou74 He'll be getting a video too
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Thumbnail should have been the Rinnegan or Nagato.
It’s crazy how the strongest character at the time had such a frail body.
Kishimoto creating peak as always.
@@josetomascamposrobledano4618 The thumbnail is the rinnegan 🤯
@@gallenberger1 Sasuke’s Rine-sharingan covered by Yahiko, nah bruh
@@josetomascamposrobledano4618 Fair
*But what about my village?*
@@emmanuelmondesir8677 Only matters if you're the MC...
Pain's the man
@@blogsanjay1031 Glad you agree! Who are some of your favorite villains?
Real Sum🧠
@younggenah4940 Idk what that means but thanks for watching!
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He aint the goat anime villain
@@rais6036 Who is your GOAT?
@@gallenberger1 off the top of my head I'm thinking Askeladd
@@rais6036 Great choice! Plan on making a video on him too someday
@@gallenberger1 Plz do you did a good job on this video
@@rais6036 Appreciate it! Definitely will, even if it might be a while
Good video but one the dumbest ideas that's I've ever is that pain makes people unite. It's sooooo dumb and watching you defend it is sad. Look at the places where there is the most suffering. Do you think people are united there! Pain breeds hate more than love.
I don't think I said he was right except in regards to Naruto growing up, but I could be wrong. Appreciate the comment and watch regardless!
Pain was right by the way. His goal was "I will have all of the power and will stop all conflict" and that's what happened. Naruto and Sasuke were the strongest and no open conflict happened bc Naruto could beat any army. And sasuke took care of any threats in the shadows
He was ahead of his time 😎