Thanks for the head to head comparison. I bought the PB-3000 a few weeks ago and have been dialing it in with REW (along with help from SVS engineer Ed Mullen). As pointed out in other comments below, room placement is key and in my case I incorporated my 2 prior smaller and less powerful Definitive Technology subs to address the mid-bass nulls my room was experiencing. Very pleased with the results! Thanks again, and keep the great content coming!
How big of an upgrade were the 3000 from what you had before? I remember buying my first svs sub. I was transported to the movies is what it sounded like
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude SOOOO much better! Like you said, it's totally changed movies for me in the home theater. Wife not too crazy about the rumbling upstairs but....
Really glad you were able to do this video. Gives me a little buyers remorse about the amount I spent on a PC4000, knowing the PB3000 probably performs just as well. But I also appreciate SVS is willing to put out the best product they can, despite that.
You would have seen the difference if you actually measured with rew. At the limits, the 4000 simply has more, with less compression. For large rooms needing higher pressure levels, it can make all the difference. Below the threshold, sure save the cash by buying only what you need.
The more I nerd out with the REW stuff the less people are interested. I found that showing and talking about it helps most people I get what you are saying though
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude I agree. I have Dual PB-3000s and Dual PB-4000s and both sound good. The PB-3000s hit harder from about 20hz to 80 hz but when it comes to digging deep, the PB-4000s are quite a bit deeper and rumbles a lot harder. Plus, on Fury, during the scenes when the tanks battle, the PB-4000s leaves the PB-3000s behind. However, the PB-3000s are an excellent buy, especially for the performance and the weight difference. I know this response it late but I'm rocking my PB-3000s and PB-4000s in 2021 and loving it.
@@reggieburris Hi, what size is your room? Im looking at dual PB3000, dual PC4000 or dual PB16u..first time SVS buyer. 1800 cubic feet. @That Home Theater Dude
I have a pair of PB3000's and like the sound I get from them with the Plugs in. Sound great that way for both Music and Movies. The PB's plugged sound punchy like the SB's but have almost twice the output
WELL DONE! I too COMPLETELY agree with you on the S.W.V.C. (split wind voice coil). I own dual pb 3000"s and they hit very, very well!! Good work boss keep it up!!
James Wiens thanks for the reply . Do you think one pb16 ultra sound better than dual pb3000. I’m placing them in living room so I can’t have two pb16 ultras just one lol or you think the pb4000 will do fine
I think I saw in another video you said you preferred a single PB-4000 over dual PB-1000s. Would that apply for the PB-3000? I'm thinking of saving for the 3000 but if I do it will be quite awhile before I could do duals
Nice video, helped me decide. Theatre room 14x29 Running duel Pb 3000 in front and duel Pb 1000 in rear. OMG IM HEARING SOUNDS I HAVE NEVER HEARD. Svs ultras for surround and front stage, Svs ultra book shelf for fronts heights and sonance for atmos. Marantz 7013 outlaw 7 and 5 channel amps powering speakers. Thanks theatre dude..
Looking at getting either the pb-3000 or pb-4000 but i have my tower speakers and center channel in my gaming room about 650 sq ft normal bedroom size. I think i'll be okay with the pb-3000 plus I can always add a second one in the future if needed as my receiver has the option of two subwoofer outputs. I think i'm sold on the pb-3000. Thx for this review.
I have duel PB3000, gain is only half way plus 2 on bass settings in my AVR and I literally shake wall and vibrate the beds in the opposite side of the house. Not to mention when I check the mail about 80ft from the front door no problems hearing them. I'd say PB3000 get the win and a cheaper price point is an advantage as well.
@@duhgreat8449 these sun's are incredible. My house is about 80 ft long. I can literally vibrate the walls and pictures and the bed in the other end of the house and these subs aren't even straining. Clear and deep bass for music and movies.
@@duhgreat8449 I got hurt a short while back at work. They tried to make things real difficult for me so I had to get a lawyer. So at the end of that nasty mess a was fortunate enough to be able to upgrade my system and payoff some bills. I have a complete SVS system now. I have now 2 Ultra towers, 2 bookshelf, 2 surround, center and 2 PB3000. Man the sound from these guys are awesome! I have the volume barely just over half way and I wonder how long I'll keep my windows intact lol. They are a little exspisve but so worth it. My room is 19.5x19.5 and no issues filling it with bass. Very clear and hit you in the chest bass. So, man I hope you enjoy them like do.
Pay it Forward ok thanks for the help man definitely going with this subs . I like ported subs but the ultra are just too massive for me to have in livingroom . I don’t wanna go sealed so I wanna go ported 3000 . I heard nothing but good things about them
It seems that you are very knowledgeable in the sound field and the review was very good. Nevertheless I was waiting to hear about that difference that you were able to notice versus the lady that could not find any difference between the two. Personally if the PB-4000, because of its shear power would go lower, I would definitely not mind paying the extra $400.00 and go for the PB 4000. The ultimate and most decisive quality in a subwoofer ( of course that is completely personal ) would its ability to produce a "deeply" satisfying deep notes. That is without breaking a bank or having to use a 5000 watt amp !!
I have a big big room with 10 foot ceilings, I have a pb16 ultra but I'm not happy with it, debating on keeping it and adding another pb16, or returning and getting 2 pb3000. Please help with recommendations!!
Move subwoofers for comparison by sliding them around on cardboard (assuming you won't scratch the floor). The amount of change due to floor coupleing is minimal and the same for both.
Pb3000 is great , but I will still pick the pb4000 over the pb3000,, little difference might mean a lot on some occasion. So for me, my own personal reasons,I will say it’s a win for the PB4000
With modern subs the ported for movies and sealed for music is becoming less and less relevant. Especially with SVS subs which are well designed I would go for the ported even for music to get that deeper overall bass.
Go with the PB because with the PB you can run it in sealed mode, so you get best of both worlds but if you go SB then you'll be stuck always with a sealed sub because no way you're gonna dremel holes in it to make it ported. lol
You didn’t want to move the subs...come on man. Hopefully you know just a few inches of placement can make a huge difference. Hopefully your viewers do too. Without placing them in the exact same spots, the test and video is meaningless.
Do you own one of these? When the isolation feet are installed its easy to rip them. Moving them as litttle as possible is best. I already ripped one. Thats how I found out. Thanks for the kind words....
Yes I do and have had multiple models. And I use the feet. And that doesn’t change the facts. If you can’t do it alone, get help. It must be done for good results.
@@cigarobsession i dont know how many people you think I have in the house. Its just me and the pregnant wife, I know it can be done for best comparision, but it didnt happen. If you want it done then please do it yourself and share your opinions.
I enjoy all your content... I stumbled upon your video because I am in the market for upgrading my subwoofer... Currently, I have a PC 2000 and in my new space the flooring is different at home and Front Forward Firing would be a much better experience. I am slightly confused on I should get the PB 3000 or PB 4000... Do you have an idea which one may work better?
The response curves on the website of SVS do NOT denote max spl. Those are response curves not how loud each sub goes. It is actually stated also that way on their website, so I don't know why you keep on mentioning it.
From 800w to 1200w is like what ? 1.5db difference if the sensitivity is the same ? Watts are relative. A 120w speaker can sound louder than a 800w one.
Your test was quick... but I believe that the filter is set to 20 Hz mode in the pb-4000 ( as you have all the port open ) which would definitely roll off earlier than the filter which is preset in the PB 3000 with two ports open ...the filters make a big difference which would make the PB 3000 sound deeper as it's standard filter does not roll off as early.. I think a better test would have been to set the pb-4000 to extended mode with two ports open also... that would have been a more even test along with the same placement of course.. I've measured myself using REW with my personal PC 4000s and the filters do make a difference definitely as far as HOW the subs roll off.... also the power output makes a difference too.. the PB 3000 May have been pushing the Driver Harder more quickly as it approaches it's compressed limits... which might explain why your couch was shaking.. maybe the standard filter setting in the PB 3000 sounds thicker than the standard setting filter in the pb-4000 which rolls off earlier... but with that said... I believe if you run at 20 Hz test tone with all ports open on both Subs separately... the pb-4000 should easily come out on top... Just my thoughts... ☺
@@CoomerGremlinDGGfan Hi Brother, before you make any changes to the filters, see how it sounds in its current position using REW with its default filters... If you're not happy with the sound... I will tell you privately what I did via Email...😃...🙏🙏🙏
Hi! I have just one sub in my home theatre room and its a Velodyne DD 15+. Thinking about adding another so what do you think I should go for another identical Velodyne or can i go for an SVS PB-4000?
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude my Dude, Monoprice has a 30 day money back for the Monolith 15. I'm sure that's plenty of time to review it and get your money back 😉 That's pretty much what I did with 3 svs subs (pc2000, pc12+, and the PB16) as well as the PSA V1500. Kept all 4 for the allowed time then gave them back with a full refund. Gotta think outside the box bruh 😉 when there's a will there's a way 👍
I am looking to upgrade my B&W DB4S. I have a Marantz 6012 (which I will likely replace with Emotiva separates) and the B&W 702s. I am not getting the punch that I want, so I am looking to replace the BD4S with either the SB-3000 or SB-4000, or maybe even dual. Would two SB-4000s be overkill?
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Yes thanks and I love them . I'm going to have to invest in the pb-3000 on my own. I will use you link when I order next year. I'm still trying to save for the seating. I did get my step lights done though.
Since you didn’t want to move the subs and you have the typical TH-cam home theater setup of just smash everything together in a straight line, I’ll also assume that none of your subs are even in the best spot.
@@Voltis-5 it does. I got 110sw behind me, with a 115sw front right against the wall. Big difference from what I had, was 115sw on the left open with no wall and 110sw on right.
@@RomeoMihalcea Technically he's not, you can see it on the videos. Sure, having them that way is good on the eye but if you did it right it would be way better on the ears.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude hey man if the 4000 is just same with 3000 so the pb2000 pro you believe is just the same with the 3000? And whats the difference s? Please Little help
Hi bro. Please could you tell me which svs subwoofer would be ideal for a room measuring 10 feet by 13 feet for a mini home theatre. NB: This is a flat with 3 adjacent neighbours, one flat underneath and one flat each to two sides. Thank you so much in advance.
We all know they both win... The participation award as the House is the true winner surviving all these loud bass scenes. (The dog gets an honorable mention as he walked by all happy while metal plays)
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Sounds like my dogs tail, he'll swing that thing so hard and make a very loud *smack* to nearby objects, and it sounds like it really hurts be he keeps swinging the weapon like it's nothing.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude He's a Golden Retriever, however he's about almost 15 years old and as deaf as a brick, and almost blind... However he navigates around just fine, and somehow rolls around like a puppy. Can hear him across the house smacking the cabinets or walls with his feet.
Yeah you're good, well at least from upgrading to the 4000's because the upgrade is small and the biggest part of it is in looks. If you were to upgrade you'd need to go with either the 16-ultra or the new 17-ultra coming out, that is if you stay with SVS. Me, I have the same as you, I have the PB-3000 in duals don't know if you do or just have a single, but if I were to upgrade again, I say again because I upgraded to these from dual PB-2000's. So if I were to upgrade again I'd definitely wouldn't just do a small upgrade like my last, I'd be going endgame, so I'd be upgrading too dual JTR's, probably the captivator 4000's.
How important is a sub to a moderate home theatre. I am running a 3.0 with two Klipsch towers the 820f's and the matching klipsch center. I don't have a ton of room as it is a living room setup but was thinking about adding rear channels or a Sub. I like watching action movies but how much more will I get from a 12" sub vs the woofers built into floor standing speakers? Thanks
I got your exact setup but with 115sw. It makes a difference if you like a super deep bass. The way I have mine amp is full towers with the center 110hz and the 115sw at 80 and below. I like the subwoofer to blend the kick/punch with the towers. I'm seating at 14 feet away. But if I wanted to I could increase by a lot the output of the bass on the sub and it would be drastic that there is no need for the towers to throw any bass at all. But the wife does not like excessive bass, so for me it does not make a difference.
Hello Sir I have a hi-fi installation and I would like to add a subwoofer SVS which should I take the speaker sound flow W800 Nautilus amplification Jeff rowland should I take a SB 4000 an sb ultra 16 thank you for your answer in advance ? ( France )
Another great test. I am trying to get a Parasound HCA-1200 amp to drive my sub. It seems to be around 600w from the specs I can find. I can get a HCA-800 for
@@38special4ever I can't find anything under $200. Any suggestions ? I am looking at older amps just because the price is affordable for me. If anyone knows about a good amp that is 250w or up for under $200 used, please give me make and model.
You could get a used pro amp possibly. Or try a Behringer NX1000, I believe it does about 120 Watts each channel at 8 ohms, 200 Watts at 4ohms, and 300 at 2 ohms. Or bridge both changes and it can do 600 at 4 Ohms and probably 400 at 8Ohms. (There's a Dyno of the old model, but the new NX is just a reskin) I know it's above your $200 mark, but I can't search for used amps as that's area specific.
Class D is best for subs. for speakers class D is a poop shoot. I dont need anything in particular to the Arcam, I just wanted a once over to see if its still in peak form
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude That's not correct, class D is used for speakers all the time and there is nothing wrong with modern Class D amps (that do it right) Yamaha HS5 is bi-amped class D for example. -I'll admit though, I assumed it was for subwoofer duty so that's why I recommended it.- There is a video on the Crown XLS pro amps that praises the sound quality of them. They are Class D (Different amps than the NX1000, but more expensive too) google "crown xls sound quality" and it's by Andrew Robinson . EDIT Sorry, editing because I though I was replying to the original poster saying it wasn't for a subwoofer, now I'm all sorts of confused. Didn't read who replied before making my own reply lol.
I enjoy watching your videos. I'm hoping you can help answer a question. I have a pair of Klipsch R120SW coming of 2 sub preouts off my Denon AVRX6700H. I want to add this Pb2000. The plan is to do a Y split to the R120's and the second preout to this Pb2000. Would be interesting to see what you think about that setup.
So this is now a year old. Good vid, I'm building a house and planning to replace my current SVS sub (it's 13 years old) with one or two subs. Obviously SVS is under consideration, with the dual wound voice coil on the 3000 series, do they have something new/upcoming on the 4000 as well? 3000 seems like a compelling option but would appreciate the tighter response of the 4000, don't want to buy and have it immediately obsolete.
they havnt told me about any more upcoming subs in those models. You should be fine to grab either. Call up Dreamedia Home Theater if you want a set. ask for chris :)
click.linksynergy.com/deeplink?id=KJT7zUvdLiA&mid=43826&murl=https%3A%2F%2Femotiva.com%2Fcollections%2Famps%2Fproducts%2Fa-800 Here ya go buddy. Thanks for asking :)
Thank you so much for this video you made my mind up, going to save cash. I can clearly see the 3000 woofer moving a lot more meaning it is pushing more air to get the feeling. The 4000 however looked like it would be a tighter bass with a little quicker response? I'm going with What you say going the 3000 route since not much difference especially since I'm going dual, 1000 in savings
olá boa tarde a respeito do sofá tremer mais com o PB3000 , ouvi dizer que o 3000 consegue ser mais rapido que a serie 4000, talvez seja por esse motivo que se sinte o sofa a tremer mais!! mas, não disses-te a tua opinião tecnica de diferenças sonoras entre 3000 e 4000 !? eu tenho um PB4000 , acho-o muito bom, fantastico, mudei o cabo de corrente para um puro cobre OCC e o grave ficou mais defenido e mais rapido, senti que tinha feito um pequeno upgrade para algo de mais qualidade como o PB-16ultra. outra coisa que descobri, é que sem nenhum DSP activo , e em modo stantard portico , ele é ainda mais rapido! entretanto, ando curioso e indeciso em mudar do meu actual PB-4000 para o novo Rel Predator 2 1510 , ou adicionar um segundo sub SVS sb4000 ou rel 1208 . qual achas que seria melhor opção!?
Svs 16 ultra is the dad the 4000 is the mother 3000 2000 and 1000 are the kids. All depends on your room size and type of bass you want. Tight bass is nice but loose ported bass is good too would be a very hard choice man. Just wish i was there with you too hear what you hear man.
the new 3000 series have better sound quality so i would not recommend any other svs subwoofer than sb-3000 for now, as always if you want more bass get two, same price as one sb 16 ultra.
Oooooh ok cool well if you’re ever interested I have a psa xv15 it’s an older model no longer available but In really good condition if you would like to try it out
I prefer the PB 4000. The speaker looks much better , the logo looks so much cooler . The display on the front is so nice, I like the cabinet . I was thinking about buying the PB 3000 but when I saw the PB 4000 I was sold .. It's such a great sub ... I will buy a second one. I need it . It's an addiction. Thanks for the video's. Keep on the great work
So you're saying that 4000 placed randomly was able to (slightly) outperform 3000 that was placed in a corner? And you call it a close call? What the hell kind of a reviewer are you?
the one closest to the mic or the one further? mic placement will be the real test... pointless doing a comparison for people listening to the result through what ever mic setup you use. Better to have it and tell people what you hear and what you think at the time
Did you not say the PB 3000 was on a higher gain level then the PB 4000?? So the 3000 has to run higher to get the same results? There’s so many variations in this comparison, gain / placement / isolation feet, it’s never going to be equally measured. I have the PB 4000 & that thing shakes the crap out of my house, let alone the couch.
They were both normalized to the same volume. the 3000 just has to be run a little hot to reach the 4000 performance. The 4000 has more headroom though. I know Its not 100% perfect and that is why I mentioned all of that in the video. If you want, do the comparison yourself and see what you think
So this is not the first place that I heard the PB-3000 keeps up for the most part to the PB-4000. Just from you hearing these subwoofers first hand could you give me a recommendation which sub would sound better in my room. The listening area room dimensions are 14 x 22 with 7 ft ceilings. The ceiling is a drop panel ceiling and the flooring is carpeted concrete. The actual room size is pretty wide open. 14 x 39 feet. There are no stores in my area that have SVS demos☹ so there's no way audibly I would be able to hear the difference for myself unless I buy each one and send one back. I would be pairing them with klipsch rp8000 towers and rp504 center. Yamaha RX-A1000 receiver. I'm an absolute lover of bass to keep that in mind. Plan on buying 2 of whichever I decide on.
Thats no problem. SVS offers 45 day in home trial period. if you dont like one of them just send it back. they pay for shipping on the return. Im thinking with that big room size the 4000 may be the best bet
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude thanks man, that's what in the back of my mind I was thinking too. I do appreciate your input a lot. You have a pretty amazing system there (little jealous on the rf7's lol), and the videos you produce are amazing. Thanks again, in the saving process for the subs right now. I live in Canada and they go for $2500 a pop up here for the 4000's
@@CoomerGremlinDGGfan Well in my apartment I can't fit 2 16 Svs, So I have One PB 3000 and one SVS 16 ultra and It sounds amazing, But i cannot even turn the Subs up halfways, 2 of my neighbors already complained about the building shaking from the Subs being to loud lol
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Thanks for the head to head comparison. I bought the PB-3000 a few weeks ago and have been dialing it in with REW (along with help from SVS engineer Ed Mullen). As pointed out in other comments below, room placement is key and in my case I incorporated my 2 prior smaller and less powerful Definitive Technology subs to address the mid-bass nulls my room was experiencing. Very pleased with the results! Thanks again, and keep the great content coming!
How big of an upgrade were the 3000 from what you had before? I remember buying my first svs sub. I was transported to the movies is what it sounded like
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude SOOOO much better! Like you said, it's totally changed movies for me in the home theater. Wife not too crazy about the rumbling upstairs but....
hahhaha
Picking up my dual pb3000s tomorrow, I'm so excited
great choice :)
Really glad you were able to do this video. Gives me a little buyers remorse about the amount I spent on a PC4000, knowing the PB3000 probably performs just as well. But I also appreciate SVS is willing to put out the best product they can, despite that.
Rob G don’t be, the pc4000 is the best earthquake generator
PB3000 takes the win, especially from a price point with performance being so close to PB4000.
You would have seen the difference if you actually measured with rew. At the limits, the 4000 simply has more, with less compression. For large rooms needing higher pressure levels, it can make all the difference. Below the threshold, sure save the cash by buying only what you need.
The more I nerd out with the REW stuff the less people are interested. I found that showing and talking about it helps most people I get what you are saying though
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude I would be at least five times more interested if you had used Rew.
Yeah! What he said
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude I agree. I have Dual PB-3000s and Dual PB-4000s and both sound good. The PB-3000s hit harder from about 20hz to 80 hz but when it comes to digging deep, the PB-4000s are quite a bit deeper and rumbles a lot harder. Plus, on Fury, during the scenes when the tanks battle, the PB-4000s leaves the PB-3000s behind. However, the PB-3000s are an excellent buy, especially for the performance and the weight difference. I know this response it late but I'm rocking my PB-3000s and PB-4000s in 2021 and loving it.
@@reggieburris Hi, what size is your room? Im looking at dual PB3000, dual PC4000 or dual PB16u..first time SVS buyer. 1800 cubic feet. @That Home Theater Dude
I have a pair of PB3000's and like the sound I get from them with the Plugs in. Sound great that way for both Music and Movies. The PB's plugged sound punchy like the SB's but have almost twice the output
WELL DONE! I too COMPLETELY agree with you on the S.W.V.C. (split wind voice coil). I own dual pb 3000"s and they hit very, very well!! Good work boss keep it up!!
hows your pb 3000 are they good subs
Do you still have the pb3000 or should I get the pb4000
I moved up to dual pb16 Ultras. The 3000s were awesome. I just wanted more! Lol
James Wiens thanks for the reply . Do you think one pb16 ultra sound better than dual pb3000. I’m placing them in living room so I can’t have two pb16 ultras just one lol or you think the pb4000 will do fine
@@duhgreat8449 always duals! Hands down without a doubt in my mind dual pb3000's would be better than one 16 ultra.
Room position for a test like this is extremely important.
I have a PB 3000 and will be buying another one later in year,can’t wait !!!
Hows your pb 3000
I’m selling my pb3000 for a pb4000
Hey man. Did you end up getting your pb4000? How does it compare to the pb3000?
@@CoomerGremlinDGGfan sold it in January and bought a PSA TV1813M subwoofer instead,huge difference,this one blows SVS PB3000 away
@@paulbodovinac8257 okay you sold the 4000. Does the new one blow the 4000 away as well?
I think I saw in another video you said you preferred a single PB-4000 over dual PB-1000s. Would that apply for the PB-3000? I'm thinking of saving for the 3000 but if I do it will be quite awhile before I could do duals
SVS for being beastly!
Great Video Chris! Have the 3000 myself and love it but always love watching your comparisons!
Oh yeah! Thanks for watching
PB or SB?
SVS PB-3000 Is a monster.
Nice video, helped me decide.
Theatre room 14x29
Running duel Pb 3000 in front and duel Pb 1000 in rear. OMG IM HEARING SOUNDS I HAVE NEVER HEARD.
Svs ultras for surround and front stage, Svs ultra book shelf for fronts heights and sonance for atmos. Marantz 7013 outlaw 7 and 5 channel amps powering speakers.
Thanks theatre dude..
My pick would be the PB4000. Great video
Right on Steve. You have the 4000?
Sounded a bit deeper and smoother for sure. Are these subs to much for an apartment?
@@485danne yeah
did you ever look at the small print on the graphs? it says "* Frequency response graph does not denote maximum output capability"
I found that out later after i filmed. Oh well
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude hey no problem, i like when they just list all the information plain for everyone to see. like Hsu Research does.
Why didn't you put them in the same position?
Looking at getting either the pb-3000 or pb-4000 but i have my tower speakers and center channel in my gaming room about 650 sq ft normal bedroom size. I think i'll be okay with the pb-3000 plus I can always add a second one in the future if needed as my receiver has the option of two subwoofer outputs. I think i'm sold on the pb-3000. Thx for this review.
I have a room of 15 square meters, is a svs pb 3000 too much, will I have reverberations or bass distortions?
I have duel PB3000, gain is only half way plus 2 on bass settings in my AVR and I literally shake wall and vibrate the beds in the opposite side of the house. Not to mention when I check the mail about 80ft from the front door no problems hearing them. I'd say PB3000 get the win and a cheaper price point is an advantage as well.
How are the subs not sure if to get the pb3000 or pb4000
@@duhgreat8449 these sun's are incredible. My house is about 80 ft long. I can literally vibrate the walls and pictures and the bed in the other end of the house and these subs aren't even straining. Clear and deep bass for music and movies.
Pay it Forward ok thanks man I’m about to pull the trigger and buy this
@@duhgreat8449 I got hurt a short while back at work. They tried to make things real difficult for me so I had to get a lawyer. So at the end of that nasty mess a was fortunate enough to be able to upgrade my system and payoff some bills. I have a complete SVS system now. I have now 2 Ultra towers, 2 bookshelf, 2 surround, center and 2 PB3000. Man the sound from these guys are awesome! I have the volume barely just over half way and I wonder how long I'll keep my windows intact lol. They are a little exspisve but so worth it. My room is 19.5x19.5 and no issues filling it with bass. Very clear and hit you in the chest bass. So, man I hope you enjoy them like do.
Pay it Forward ok thanks for the help man definitely going with this subs . I like ported subs but the ultra are just too massive for me to have in livingroom . I don’t wanna go sealed so I wanna go ported 3000 . I heard nothing but good things about them
It seems that you are very knowledgeable in the sound field and the review was very good. Nevertheless I was waiting to hear about that difference that you were able to notice versus the lady that could not find any difference between the two. Personally if the PB-4000, because of its shear power would go lower, I would definitely not mind paying the extra $400.00 and go for the PB 4000. The ultimate and most decisive quality in a subwoofer ( of course that is completely personal ) would its ability to produce a "deeply" satisfying deep notes. That is without breaking a bank or having to use a 5000 watt amp !!
yeah the ported is the way to go
Great video bud, love those svs subs, another very enjoyable video.
sb13 ultra and pb3000 comparison?
Pb 3000 sound amazing , i heard then at bestbuy store blending very nice
sweet
If the PB3000 looked a little better i would have bought it but the PB4000 looked amazing to my eyes so thats what i have.
How is the pb4000 is it a good sub
Also he didn’t test different port tunings with the pb 4000 I’ve heard the 20hz is much stronger on the 4000
I have a big big room with 10 foot ceilings, I have a pb16 ultra but I'm not happy with it, debating on keeping it and adding another pb16, or returning and getting 2 pb3000. Please help with recommendations!!
Get 2 PB 3000s, I had the SVS 16 Ultra, The Ultra is amazing but does not fill the room like 2 solid Subs like the 3000s
@@monroethegreat7539 thank you. I ended up getting 2 pb16s and they are unbelievable.
@@williamwelke8306 Nice great choice👍
it wouldn't make sense to downgrade
@@CoomerGremlinDGGfan I agree. Got 2 pb16s and the bass is unbelievable 👌
Move subwoofers for comparison by sliding them around on cardboard (assuming you won't scratch the floor). The amount of change due to floor coupleing is minimal and the same for both.
Pb3000 is great , but I will still pick the pb4000 over the pb3000,, little difference might mean a lot on some occasion. So for me, my own personal reasons,I will say it’s a win for the PB4000
Good video, any reason to consider a pair of SB3000s over a pair of PB3000s? Will be used for music and movies.
With modern subs the ported for movies and sealed for music is becoming less and less relevant. Especially with SVS subs which are well designed I would go for the ported even for music to get that deeper overall bass.
Go with the PB because with the PB you can run it in sealed mode, so you get best of both worlds but if you go SB then you'll be stuck always with a sealed sub because no way you're gonna dremel holes in it to make it ported. lol
You didn’t want to move the subs...come on man. Hopefully you know just a few inches of placement can make a huge difference. Hopefully your viewers do too. Without placing them in the exact same spots, the test and video is meaningless.
And that’s what she said
Do you own one of these? When the isolation feet are installed its easy to rip them. Moving them as litttle as possible is best. I already ripped one. Thats how I found out. Thanks for the kind words....
Yes I do and have had multiple models. And I use the feet. And that doesn’t change the facts. If you can’t do it alone, get help. It must be done for good results.
@@cigarobsession i dont know how many people you think I have in the house. Its just me and the pregnant wife, I know it can be done for best comparision, but it didnt happen. If you want it done then please do it yourself and share your opinions.
I already did and showed everyone how to do it with rew and how all the tiny changes make big differences.
I enjoy all your content... I stumbled upon your video because I am in the market for upgrading my subwoofer... Currently, I have a PC 2000 and in my new space the flooring is different at home and Front Forward Firing would be a much better experience. I am slightly confused on I should get the PB 3000 or PB 4000... Do you have an idea which one may work better?
get the biggest you are comfortable with. You can never have too much
The response curves on the website of SVS do NOT denote max spl. Those are response curves not how loud each sub goes.
It is actually stated also that way on their website, so I don't know why you keep on mentioning it.
Ten inches from a corner makes a huge difference
From 800w to 1200w is like what ? 1.5db difference if the sensitivity is the same ?
Watts are relative. A 120w speaker can sound louder than a 800w one.
Indeed.
the 3000 is more efficient, so actually the extra 1/2 inch driver, but mostly the giant cabinet size contribute to the 4000 being more powerful.
Your test was quick... but I believe that the filter is set to 20 Hz mode in the pb-4000 ( as you have all the port open ) which would definitely roll off earlier than the filter which is preset in the PB 3000 with two ports open ...the filters make a big difference which would make the PB 3000 sound deeper as it's standard filter does not roll off as early.. I think a better test would have been to set the pb-4000 to extended mode with two ports open also... that would have been a more even test along with the same placement of course.. I've measured myself using REW with my personal PC 4000s and the filters do make a difference definitely as far as HOW the subs roll off.... also the power output makes a difference too.. the PB 3000 May have been pushing the Driver Harder more quickly as it approaches it's compressed limits... which might explain why your couch was shaking.. maybe the standard filter setting in the PB 3000 sounds thicker than the standard setting filter in the pb-4000 which rolls off earlier... but with that said... I believe if you run at 20 Hz test tone with all ports open on both Subs separately... the pb-4000 should easily come out on top...
Just my thoughts... ☺
Interesting
Thanks for this info. I'm suprised no one else has brought this up.
@@CoomerGremlinDGGfan Cheers Brother...🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@@superdan43 I just bought myself a pb4000. I'm curious, what do you have your filters set to?
@@CoomerGremlinDGGfan Hi Brother, before you make any changes to the filters, see how it sounds in its current position using REW with its default filters... If you're not happy with the sound... I will tell you privately what I did via Email...😃...🙏🙏🙏
How would the SB16 ultra compare to the PB 3000 ? I like the size of the SB16 but want the low end output of the PB3000
sb has more output w lower extension. that would be my choice
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude ugh.... you sure about that?
Hi! I have just one sub in my home theatre room and its a Velodyne DD 15+. Thinking about adding another so what do you think I should go for another identical Velodyne or can i go for an SVS PB-4000?
stick with the same
Great video!! New subscriber. I was up in the air between the 2 subs. I'm going with the 3000 thanks!
You get your 3000
Hi what can you recommend 2 x 1000PB PRO or 1 x 3000PB and another one in the future?
The cones do not have the same appearance, is that a major plus for the PB 4000 ?
I would like to see the pb 3000 versus HSU-3 MK -5 go Head to Head
Or The Monolith 15. And both those 15" subs are cheaper than the pb3000. Would be a great comparison price for price.
You know that BOTH of those companies refused to send out subs to review,
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude my Dude, Monoprice has a 30 day money back for the Monolith 15. I'm sure that's plenty of time to review it and get your money back 😉 That's pretty much what I did with 3 svs subs (pc2000, pc12+, and the PB16) as well as the PSA V1500. Kept all 4 for the allowed time then gave them back with a full refund. Gotta think outside the box bruh 😉 when there's a will there's a way 👍
Your vid was a super big help I’m totally going for the 3000
Don’t be fooled 4k eats it
What makes you say that? I went with the pb4000 for the xlr options but I'm curious what you think makes it the better sub?
I am looking to upgrade my B&W DB4S. I have a Marantz 6012 (which I will likely replace with Emotiva separates) and the B&W 702s. I am not getting the punch that I want, so I am looking to replace the BD4S with either the SB-3000 or SB-4000, or maybe even dual. Would two SB-4000s be overkill?
No. i would recommed the sb-4000 for sure. its a solid unit. id do that or the micro 3000. both of those slam
I need two of those pb-3000
Use my links. You already got free height speakers.... :)
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Yes thanks and I love them . I'm going to have to invest in the pb-3000 on my own. I will use you link when I order next year. I'm still trying to save for the seating. I did get my step lights done though.
I know this is a stupid question but I have a Polk Audio HTS 12 was planning to buy another one. Would one PB-3000 be a better way to go? Thanks
I would say go with the 3000 I’ve only heard great things about it
@That Home Theater Dude, what did you use to plug the ports on the PB 3000 sub?
they give you foam when you buy them
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude oh great. Thanks for the reply!
Whats your volume at on the reciver when making this test?
-10?
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude just wondering, thnx
Since you didn’t want to move the subs and you have the typical TH-cam home theater setup of just smash everything together in a straight line, I’ll also assume that none of your subs are even in the best spot.
Placement definitely plays A BIG factor in subs.
Glad you loved the video. Thanks for watching
@@Voltis-5 it does. I got 110sw behind me, with a 115sw front right against the wall. Big difference from what I had, was 115sw on the left open with no wall and 110sw on right.
I love when people assume things.
@@RomeoMihalcea Technically he's not, you can see it on the videos. Sure, having them that way is good on the eye but if you did it right it would be way better on the ears.
In which opinion which one is better svs pb 3000 or 4000
if you don't care about price the 4000 is definitely better
Guess I'm gonna get the SVS 3000 then. It is cheaper too. Thank you very much. subbed.
cool!
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude hey man if the 4000 is just same with 3000 so the pb2000 pro you believe is just the same with the 3000? And whats the difference s? Please Little help
So much beauty in one video! :)
Hi bro. Please could you tell me which svs subwoofer would be ideal for a room measuring 10 feet by 13 feet for a mini home theatre. NB: This is a flat with 3 adjacent neighbours, one flat underneath and one flat each to two sides. Thank you so much in advance.
In that case, you can't have any subwoofer. The neighbors would definitely complain, especially with either of these subs.
We all know they both win...
The participation award as the House is the true winner surviving all these loud bass scenes. (The dog gets an honorable mention as he walked by all happy while metal plays)
That pooch loves to hang around when Im filming. SHe also likes to knock over the recording equipment with her tail.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude Sounds like my dogs tail, he'll swing that thing so hard and make a very loud *smack* to nearby objects, and it sounds like it really hurts be he keeps swinging the weapon like it's nothing.
sweet, what kind of pooch you got?
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude He's a Golden Retriever, however he's about almost 15 years old and as deaf as a brick, and almost blind...
However he navigates around just fine, and somehow rolls around like a puppy.
Can hear him across the house smacking the cabinets or walls with his feet.
Sounds like a good boy
When it comes to musicality, is a closed/stuffed PB3000 just as good as a SB3000 with the tightness and speed of the bass?
id say 95% of the way there. I love ported, you get the flexibility to do that
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude 95% sounds really really good. I saw a review on the PB 16 Ultra and the reviewer said the sub had great musicality.
@@rickderico356 what did you use to plug the ports on the PB 3000 sub?
Great video! Does the isolation feet make a difference? And does it sound better? Thanks! Keep up the great videos!
i noticed less noise from rattling in the house
Great review, thank you!
I have the pb3000 and thinking of trading up to 4000 duals but theyre telling me im good with the 3000
Yeah you're good, well at least from upgrading to the 4000's because the upgrade is small and the biggest part of it is in looks. If you were to upgrade you'd need to go with either the 16-ultra or the new 17-ultra coming out, that is if you stay with SVS. Me, I have the same as you, I have the PB-3000 in duals don't know if you do or just have a single, but if I were to upgrade again, I say again because I upgraded to these from dual PB-2000's. So if I were to upgrade again I'd definitely wouldn't just do a small upgrade like my last, I'd be going endgame, so I'd be upgrading too dual JTR's, probably the captivator 4000's.
How important is a sub to a moderate home theatre. I am running a 3.0 with two Klipsch towers the 820f's and the matching klipsch center. I don't have a ton of room as it is a living room setup but was thinking about adding rear channels or a Sub. I like watching action movies but how much more will I get from a 12" sub vs the woofers built into floor standing speakers?
Thanks
I got your exact setup but with 115sw. It makes a difference if you like a super deep bass. The way I have mine amp is full towers with the center 110hz and the 115sw at 80 and below. I like the subwoofer to blend the kick/punch with the towers. I'm seating at 14 feet away. But if I wanted to I could increase by a lot the output of the bass on the sub and it would be drastic that there is no need for the towers to throw any bass at all. But the wife does not like excessive bass, so for me it does not make a difference.
What HZ do you have your subs set at in your av reciever mate
max :)
Tell me PB3000, SB3000, PB4000 or SB4000 they can reach the THX levels? without clipping
I wouldnt doubt it but I will test it out when I get back home.
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude really? test then and do a video talking about the reference vs thx levels and if they get this point.
This thing would make my house fall down
Hello Sir I have a hi-fi installation and I would like to add a subwoofer SVS which should I take the speaker sound flow W800 Nautilus amplification Jeff rowland should I take a SB 4000 an sb ultra 16 thank you for your answer in advance ? ( France )
If it fits the budget the 16 is the way to go. It gets theater loud and has headroom for days.
i have a Earthquake MiniMe p-12 v2. It would be AWESOME to see a comparison between Earthquakes MiniMe/Supernova series, VS. SVS!! :D
I wish I could afford something like that
MAKE IT YOUR GOAL AND IT WILL HAPPEN
That's was amazing sub. Thanks for sharing.
Whichever ones cheaper wins
Would you consider the PB 3000 an upgrade to the PB13 ultra?
Interesting. I never heard the 13 ultra in person but with how close the 4000 and 3000 are I would say it would be a really close battle
Excellent test🔊🔊🔊😎👍
If trump gives me another stimulus check ima order this bad boys
Still waiting in mine lol
Nice comparison
What tv stand is that? Thanks for the vid
no idea
Another great test. I am trying to get a Parasound HCA-1200 amp to drive my sub. It seems to be around 600w from the specs I can find. I can get a HCA-800 for
For subwoofers, go with class D amplification.
@@38special4ever I can't find anything under $200. Any suggestions ? I am looking at older amps just because the price is affordable for me. If anyone knows about a good amp that is 250w or up for under $200 used, please give me make and model.
You could get a used pro amp possibly.
Or try a Behringer NX1000, I believe it does about 120 Watts each channel at 8 ohms, 200 Watts at 4ohms, and 300 at 2 ohms.
Or bridge both changes and it can do 600 at 4 Ohms and probably 400 at 8Ohms. (There's a Dyno of the old model, but the new NX is just a reskin)
I know it's above your $200 mark, but I can't search for used amps as that's area specific.
Class D is best for subs. for speakers class D is a poop shoot. I dont need anything in particular to the Arcam, I just wanted a once over to see if its still in peak form
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude That's not correct, class D is used for speakers all the time and there is nothing wrong with modern Class D amps (that do it right)
Yamaha HS5 is bi-amped class D for example.
-I'll admit though, I assumed it was for subwoofer duty so that's why I recommended it.-
There is a video on the Crown XLS pro amps that praises the sound quality of them. They are Class D (Different amps than the NX1000, but more expensive too)
google "crown xls sound quality" and it's by
Andrew Robinson
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EDIT
Sorry, editing because I though I was replying to the original poster saying it wasn't for a subwoofer, now I'm all sorts of confused. Didn't read who replied before making my own reply lol.
I enjoy watching your videos. I'm hoping you can help answer a question. I have a pair of Klipsch R120SW coming of 2 sub preouts off my Denon AVRX6700H. I want to add this Pb2000. The plan is to do a Y split to the R120's and the second preout to this Pb2000. Would be interesting to see what you think about that setup.
So this is now a year old. Good vid, I'm building a house and planning to replace my current SVS sub (it's 13 years old) with one or two subs. Obviously SVS is under consideration, with the dual wound voice coil on the 3000 series, do they have something new/upcoming on the 4000 as well? 3000 seems like a compelling option but would appreciate the tighter response of the 4000, don't want to buy and have it immediately obsolete.
they havnt told me about any more upcoming subs in those models. You should be fine to grab either. Call up Dreamedia Home Theater if you want a set. ask for chris :)
Link to emotiva A-800?
click.linksynergy.com/deeplink?id=KJT7zUvdLiA&mid=43826&murl=https%3A%2F%2Femotiva.com%2Fcollections%2Famps%2Fproducts%2Fa-800
Here ya go buddy. Thanks for asking :)
Thank you so much for this video you made my mind up, going to save cash. I can clearly see the 3000 woofer moving a lot more meaning it is pushing more air to get the feeling. The 4000 however looked like it would be a tighter bass with a little quicker response? I'm going with What you say going the 3000 route since not much difference especially since I'm going dual, 1000 in savings
Bet they are amazing in person! Are you going to get the Klipsch rc-64iii to use with those towers?
Nope. Likely selling the klipsch very soon. I had the rc-64 II and it was terrific!
Beautiful setup 👍
How will the PB4000 win against the PB16 ultra?
Weight
I'm curious about this myself
Hi whats gain level at for both?thank you
-10 on 4000 -4 on 3000. both standardized to the same volume. -11 on the AVR & no trim
Thank you! Great videos keep up the good work!
Does these subwoofers need an amplifier?
no
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude no bro I asked the same question to svs they are saying it is needed to connect to speakers
The amp inside the sub will only power the sub
olá boa tarde
a respeito do sofá tremer mais com o PB3000 , ouvi dizer que o 3000 consegue ser mais rapido que a serie 4000, talvez seja por esse motivo que se sinte o sofa a tremer mais!!
mas, não disses-te a tua opinião tecnica de diferenças sonoras entre 3000 e 4000 !?
eu tenho um PB4000 , acho-o muito bom, fantastico, mudei o cabo de corrente para um puro cobre OCC e o grave ficou mais defenido e mais rapido, senti que tinha feito um pequeno upgrade para algo de mais qualidade como o PB-16ultra.
outra coisa que descobri, é que sem nenhum DSP activo , e em modo stantard portico , ele é ainda mais rapido!
entretanto, ando curioso e indeciso em mudar do meu actual PB-4000 para o novo Rel Predator 2 1510 , ou adicionar um segundo sub SVS sb4000 ou rel 1208 .
qual achas que seria melhor opção!?
Svs 16 ultra is the dad the 4000 is the mother 3000 2000 and 1000 are the kids. All depends on your room size and type of bass you want. Tight bass is nice but loose ported bass is good too would be a very hard choice man. Just wish i was there with you too hear what you hear man.
the new 3000 series have better sound quality so i would not recommend any other svs subwoofer than sb-3000 for now, as always if you want more bass get two, same price as one sb 16 ultra.
@@sudd3660 how are the deeps on the sb-3000?
Would be great to see a comparison of the svs pb4000 vs a psa v1510. Great video tho
PSA, Monoprice, and Rhythmik do not want to send me subs to review. I tried finding some local but the price was still pretty high
Around what are do you stay at?
dallas/ ft worth texas
Oooooh ok cool well if you’re ever interested I have a psa xv15 it’s an older model no longer available but In really good condition if you would like to try it out
where?
hey man what is youre crossover for the mains ?
None. Full send on large setting. I use LFE+mains on the sub setup too. If i were using the klipsch I would probably set it to small x over at 40
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude alright thanks i play my prime towers full band as well
I prefer the PB 4000.
The speaker looks much better , the logo looks so much cooler .
The display on the front is so nice, I like the cabinet .
I was thinking about buying the PB 3000 but when I saw the PB 4000 I was sold ..
It's such a great sub ...
I will buy a second one. I need it .
It's an addiction.
Thanks for the video's.
Keep on the great work
yeah the 4000 gives you that pro look and pro sound. The 3000 gives you alot of the performance without all the bells and whistles
I bought the pb4000 for xlr inputs and outputs
So who won the sub after
no one. giveaway is still active
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude ok
please stop the intro
So you're saying that 4000 placed randomly was able to (slightly) outperform 3000 that was placed in a corner? And you call it a close call? What the hell kind of a reviewer are you?
Real answer is PB 16 Ultra
the one closest to the mic or the one further? mic placement will be the real test... pointless doing a comparison for people listening to the result through what ever mic setup you use.
Better to have it and tell people what you hear and what you think at the time
They were both same distance from the microphone. I used the rode videomic pro + on a tripod at the main listening position
Is there a giveaway still going on?
yes
What trailer is that?
trailer?
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude the video or a sound that you are currently playing during the subwoofer tests
Cris Garcia 6 watch at 1:59
Sorry corner loading is better for most sub 4000 eats the 3000 load crap there close
Did you not say the PB 3000 was on a higher gain level then the PB 4000?? So the 3000 has to run higher to get the same results? There’s so many variations in this comparison, gain / placement / isolation feet, it’s never going to be equally measured. I have the PB 4000 & that thing shakes the crap out of my house, let alone the couch.
They were both normalized to the same volume. the 3000 just has to be run a little hot to reach the 4000 performance. The 4000 has more headroom though. I know Its not 100% perfect and that is why I mentioned all of that in the video. If you want, do the comparison yourself and see what you think
So this is not the first place that I heard the PB-3000 keeps up for the most part to the PB-4000. Just from you hearing these subwoofers first hand could you give me a recommendation which sub would sound better in my room. The listening area room dimensions are 14 x 22 with 7 ft ceilings. The ceiling is a drop panel ceiling and the flooring is carpeted concrete. The actual room size is pretty wide open. 14 x 39 feet. There are no stores in my area that have SVS demos☹ so there's no way audibly I would be able to hear the difference for myself unless I buy each one and send one back. I would be pairing them with klipsch rp8000 towers and rp504 center. Yamaha RX-A1000 receiver. I'm an absolute lover of bass to keep that in mind. Plan on buying 2 of whichever I decide on.
Thats no problem. SVS offers 45 day in home trial period. if you dont like one of them just send it back. they pay for shipping on the return. Im thinking with that big room size the 4000 may be the best bet
@@ThatHomeTheaterDude thanks man, that's what in the back of my mind I was thinking too. I do appreciate your input a lot. You have a pretty amazing system there (little jealous on the rf7's lol), and the videos you produce are amazing. Thanks again, in the saving process for the subs right now. I live in Canada and they go for $2500 a pop up here for the 4000's
Yeah. i'd go the 4000 route. your space is huge and better be safe than sorry
Love you HTD but my one pb4000 outperformed 2 pb3000's
Lol That's not true, I had a SVS 16 Ultra it sounds amazing but I returned the Ultra and got 2 PB 3000 because they filled the room better.
@@monroethegreat7539 stop you're lying
@@JohnDoe-dw8xs not in the low end. Definitely above 30 hz or so, though.
@@monroethegreat7539 Why did you downgrade? You could've just boughten a 2nd pb16 to help fill the room. that would've made more sense.
@@CoomerGremlinDGGfan Well in my apartment I can't fit 2 16 Svs, So I have One PB 3000 and one SVS 16 ultra and It sounds amazing, But i cannot even turn the Subs up halfways, 2 of my neighbors already complained about the building shaking from the Subs being to loud lol
Honestly, it looks like the 4000's getting its ass kicked...pound for pound
Looks are deceiving
The 4000 is turned down to match the volume of the 3000
@@jackrieger2272 also it has 400 more watts and a bigger box
SVS is the Bomb diggity! see me your used stuff! gear adrift is a gift!!
Man this bass is amazing but prices for the subs are pretty too much at least here in Toronto
Here in the Nederlands is the PB3000
$ 2600. And the PB 4000 $3800