Cheap 22LR Ammo VS. $4000 Custom Rifle
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- Well here we go! testing big box store cheap/bulk 22lr ammo out of a $4000 (not counting the optic) custom competition rimfire rifle! what could possibly go wrong? well lets find out!
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Just watched the video and really like how you did the testing. I just recently got a B14R and have 5 bricks of Norma Tac 22 on order and should be here on 1-10-23, can't hardly stand the wait. I put a 6-24-50 Arken on top and I hope my 77 year old eyes are up to the challenge.
Thank you for for watching sir, I appreciate it.
It sounds like you have been doing this for quite a while-Best of luck to you.
I’m 43. With the Bergara bxr. Hoping to beat the guys with the older eyes. In comp with the same scope. I’m messing with SK. But that SVCCI seems to be getting great reviews.
@petera1117 my bxr doesn't play well with the standard velocity. Norma tac has been the best for it that I have found. I haven't got my hands on any sk or eley yet
Amazing rifle. Thank you very much for doing this test of 'cheap' ammunition out of your top-notch rifle. Still in awe of your rifle 😯
Thanks man
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I've never seen a 22 like he has there.
Great content. It would be interesting to run more rounds of the better cheap ammo through to acclimate the barrel(or whatever the term is) to see if it actually gets better, then raise the same question "is it worth paying double for practice ammo."
Killing it brother. Really enjoying your content
Thanks man! I appreciate it. The ole vudoo is still getting it done, thanks for the quality work on the barrel!
Thank you -Great video. Wow, a person shure can spend all they want. I guess that goes for just about anything in life. I have used some of the 22lr ammo you shot. My best luck out of a pistol is the CCI Stinger. They are super fast and give a hell of a flash-out of a pistol.
the fiocchi 22fhpsub always shot great for me
I get the same results with my CZ457. They group good, but about 1 in 5 fly out an inch. After shooting cheap, it takes about 15 rounds of SK to recenter. Great video.
I got a Savage B22 bare bone. I get 3/4 inch at 50 yards with SV CCI. With better ammo, this rifle is a hole in one at 50 yards.
I ran a similar test 3 days ago comparing cheaper ammo for my CZ 455 that happens to like Norma match the best. I too found cci sv to have better groups than the others at 25 50 100 and 200 yards. Thanks for making this video. Great stuff.
Thanks man! I appreciate you watching.
Same thing with my cz457 it likes the standard velocity as well
Norma has 25% off site wide.. buying it by the case (free shipping) the price is pretty good.. delivered in two days to Florida.
That is decent shooting with cheap ammo...we are plinkers, and live on inexpensive bulk...our groups not quiet as good as you're getting, but using 6-7 cent rounds in a $300 rifle does limit accuracy, so we do the best we can...really, the big problem with bulk ammo is the consistency, as hot/cold rounds just go everywhere...but, we put up with it, as affordability does mean lots of trigger time, also known as fun time...
A 22LR rimfire gauge used on a box of cheaper ammo can make a real difference for a low price and your time sorting the cartridges out.
Great video, you just saved me a few bucks testing. I have seen similar results with my 22 WMR as well.
When I used to practice a lot, all the high velocity rounds were less accurate.
I always liked CCI standard. You can see why here.
Oh shoot, I'm in Missouri as well, will have to check that out👍
my CZ likes eley contact and SK rifle match, does quite well! however, if i sort CCI SV i get pretty good results with it. little more consistent after sorting… great vid and really nice rifle. thanks for the vid! cheers…
Thanks man
A good chamber shoots most ammo well, a bad chamber only shoots a few well. You need the expensive stuff for that just so chamber. Nice video
Some of the match stuff holds up well at distance as well (200 - 400 yards)
One thing I have found with the CCI Standard is when you find a batch thats on the money, Buy cases of it.... We have had cases of it where it wouldnt group 4 inches @ 100 in a 1913 Supermatch or the bullet wouldnt even exit the barrel..... And then We have had cases of that that shoots absolute screamers..
Where did you get that custom made leather sunshade?? That is awesome!!
I've done a lot of similar testing with my rifle (not in the same game as your rig) and I've gotten similar results with the CCI SV and the Fiocchi, both really solid. I would also recommend Aguila RN SV, surprisingly good. Remington 22LR rimfire, in my experience, regardless of the claimed quality/cost, is some of the worst for accuracy that I've found. I was told (in a 22LR forum) that it's because Remington's rimfire manufacturing equipment is very old and outdated, while companies like Aguila are using modern state-of-the-art manufacturing equipment (courtesy of Eley).
Great idea for a video! Nicely done as always man
Thanks man!
Almost didn’t watch this when you said you weren’t going to include Norma Tac22. I buy it when they have sales, you can get it for as little as $39 a brick. That is less than any of the ones you tested. I shoot the new CZ 457 VPC MTR, and I get significantly better results with Norma than I do with Eley: Tenex, club, team, force. SK standard plus performs pretty equivalent but is hard to find and cost more than double. If your coming up through the STL area soon I’ll donate a box or two. It is not only the cheapest ammo you can get (when you catch the good sales buying directly on their site with free shipping) but is absolutely some of the best shooting too!
Speed an inconsistency is problem with cheap ammo
Yep pretty much sums it up
I ran into a guy on Facebook proclaiming that he shoots one quarter inch groups at one hundred yards with a Smith and Wesson 15/22. I tried to explain to him that some with 3-$5,000 Vudoo rigs don't do that. He said you guys just wasted your money. I know I know. I have offered him my monthly social security check to come show me. I shoot a modified Ruger 10/22. (Can't afford a Vudoo) Using the new Lapua Super long range 22 ammo I shot a one hole 5 shot group at 25 yards yesterday. I am looking forward to stretching this out to 300 yards.
I appreciate you watching the channel. I run into folks that that have stories like that all the time, most would benefit from a range finder haha. I need to find myself a good 10/22
As for Nomra TAC 22LR... I recently posted comments on another video by Miidwest. I don't wish to repeat myself, but the gist of my comment was that I found (dumb luck) what must be the ideal Norma TAC (TARGET RATED) lot number that my CZ 457 loves, and it makes ALL my SK 22LR ammo (Long Range, High Velocity, etc.) look surprisingly sub-standard.
I own a Vudoo 360 and shoot cheap ammo 99.9% of the time, Aguila blue/yellow box super extra 40 gr. Lrn. I have close to 10k of that brand down the pipe, it shoots pretty well. I do sort for rim thickness to .0005 for consistency as it is cheap ammo. I have maybe 100 rounds of SK and 50 rounds of Lapua centerX thru it, I like seeing what it can do with the cheap stuff, its pretty impressive. edit - Vudoo 360 with an Ace 20" mtu contour barrel, 30 moa rail, Leica PRS 5-30PRB scope, arc m-10 1.1 height medium 34mm rings, Greyboe Ridgeback stock with Area419 arca rail with an br4 accu-tac bipod, and a TT diamond flat shoe 2stage trigger set close to a lb.
Sounds like a slick setup! I’ve got some sorting videos in the works.
@@midwest_long_range I don't know if the sorting helps, maybe its just a mental thing knowing I have taken one factor of error out of the equation. "But", I hardly ever see "gross" or super bad fliers, I can recall only 1 round that was super funky recently, who knows, maybe there wasn't powder in the shell it was so far off
I wonder if sorting might have prevented those fliers that kinda broke the group?
A lot of people misunderstand Remingtons target designation for that ammunition you were shooting. Target means that it is so inaccurate that it is considered unethical to hunt with and should only be used on targets. Not for competition or good groups mind you, just on targets like cans, paper, etc... This way the designation will sucker people into giving it a try and some junior rifle clubs will order a chit load of the stuff for cheap.
I went to 4 Walmart locations in January 2022 to find any 22LR ammo I could buy other than Winchester. I bought two boxes of 50 rounds of Federal Champion and recently found that thy provide sub MOA groups most of the time with my Tikka T1X at 50 and 100 yards. I wish the stores had more in stock back then and I had bought them. I doubt any Champion I may buy today will perform as well. The Champion performed better than Federal Auto Match, CCI SV, and Norma Tac-22. Every one of my CCI SV groups had one or two bullets hit far out like the 5th bullet in your 2nd group.
For me there is Lapua/SK & Eley. Near the end of the last century Fiocchi made some very good match grade called Silver Star Dust, they switched over to V320 (it sucked) I never heard of anyone messing with Fiocchi again, awesome vid! ❤
Only two things i have to say about the test besides "nice job" is
#1) ran 10 to 15 shells of each through the barrel before actually test it. Ive seen some ammo really change after a few of the same are run through before hand. Cci SV will shoot 1-1.5moa for the first 10 or so after switching to it from SK Rifle match. After a couple groups it will get down to .6-.8 avg. That's outta my rifle tho. Others may be different.
#2) it would of been nice if you ran them through a Chronograph while testing to see how the #'s match up with the group's
I would definitely like to find some of that Fiocci standard. All of mine performed the same with all of those you tried & Remington golden bullets & some different types of Aguilla. I get regular.40-.45” groups @ 50 yards with my 1966 Remington 572 Pump, 1947 Remington 550-1, 1982 Marlin Model 60, 1968 Wards Westerfield 87a, CZ 457 Jaguar, Modded Ruger 10/22, & silenced Anschutz 1710 with match bolt group & stainless match barrel. I’ve contemplated a Voodoo and others like it however it’s not worth the $4000+ price I’ve learned. I’m not a competition shooter yet however I have been learning & watching. Many old ones shoot just as good and or if not very close to a hi priced Voodoo I’ve learned. I haven’t even head spaced any ammo to my CZ or Anschutz yet and they both group .35-.38 regularly with CCI Standard & Quite Semi Auto. S&K Rifle match my two best like alot and shoot even better groups with, same for R-50 & ELEY Match however S&K is my favorite and also Lapua Midis X. Nice testing however I personally don’t set the ammo on my rifle as I shoot. It will fall possibly loosening the primers. I handle my .22 ammo gently so It will always shoot well. Less chance of duds. But that’s just me, 😉. Good testing.
Great video. Love the comparison between ammo
Thanks man
I have a CZ 457 American which prefers SK varieties, but also shoots very well with the Federal Auto-Match. It does not like the Fiocchi. And I also found the Remington Target to be inconsistent. About like what we see in this video. And just as you demonstrated, the difference between good ammo and great ammo, is the occasional flyer.
Ive been running a cheap .22 (bca ar 22 w. 16 inch barrel) with the cheapest .22 ammo that is available locally which is armscor high velocity hollow points. Shoots about a quarter sized group at 50 yards. Plan on working up the food chain to see if does any better with better quality ammo. Sort of the opposite of what you are doing here, should be interesting though.
One worth testing is Aquila Super Extra high velocity in the red stripe box, My Rugers love it.
Just subbed you, never seen your videos before this one. I have some neat results with cheap ammo in my custom 10/22, when I have more time, I would like to share them, but right know, I gotta go to bed, 0500 comes at you fast!
That's what I have been getting with cheap ammo as well, in my Brno and CZ American.
I was the close but no cigar comment. Thank you for doing this test. It was fun to watch!
Thank you sir! I appreciate you watching and keep the ideas coming!
@@midwest_long_range my main rig is a 457 Varmint MTR. Only mod is a yo-dave down to 4oz. Using s sightron 36x42. The thing is a shooter. I do ammo testing for fun and typically shoot 25 Five shot groups and dump the best and worst group. It will shoot aggregate over those 25 groups sub MOA with many many brands. I have settled on RWS Target Rifle as my preferred cost effective round. Will it shoot better groups with more expensive stuff....yeah...but not THAT much better. And it is just for fun anyway so paying 15 or 20 a box for 0.05 or 0.1 inch better vs 8.50 a box means a lot more shooting.
Keep up the good work.
Another idea for you: shoot 5 groups at 30 second intervals between shots. let barrel cool. Then shoot 25 shots as fast as you can and then immediately shoot another 5 groups with 3 second intervals between shots.
Measure results.
Another idea: shoot 5 groups where you REALLY take your time and focus on everything....and then shoot 5 groups where you just intuitively aim and shoot with no real focus....
Test the idea that the more you "think/try to improve" possibly the worse you do.
And lastly: shoot 5 groups where you break contact with the rifle between each shot. Vs NEVER breaking contact other than offhad to change mags...you might be surprised.
I all all tapped out of crazy ideas...enjoy
I don't shoot competition and I personally try to purchase the cheapest/bulk ammo I can get. The CCI sales for a similar unit price as the ammo I currently purchase. May have to spend the extra few pennies just so I have less misses.
GREAT VIDEO CHRIS ... !!!!! FIOCCHI WAS A SURPRISE .... !!!!!!! THANKS CHRIS .... !!!!! DOUBLE G. HERE ... !!!!!!
Thanks buddy
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THIS IS GG.
I have a Remington 340 that shoots really great, and it's over 100years old.
When you call Fiocchi, see if they will give you some Exacta Super Match to test. I would love to see how it flies.
Funny how a high priced gun can shoot as Good as hi priced ammo, yes even your high priced ammo has flyers
It does but my sk doesn’t have it as often. I’ll test them out at longer range to test further
Good video! That Fiocchi looks promising, I'll call you tomorrow
Thanks, sounds good
Just watched this video, took notice you took more time with the cci
All of the shooting footage has time cut out between shots in the editing process if it appears more time was taken then less was cut out for some reason. Just saying that is illusion of video editing because I took way more time in reality with all the ammo than what the video shows
Good video MLR. But i expected your $4000 rifle to do better than it did with the SK you ran first though. I gotta tell ya though, had i been sitting next to you with my CZ457 running NormaTac22, Vortex SE 5-25x56 scope, you wouldn`t have liked me much afterwards. I`m probably one of the luckier ones to own a CZ457 Varmint (all OEM) that can run the table with the big dawgs. Hope to see you do a test with the NormaTac22 ammo. I`m very curious to see how your $4000 rifle does with it. My $500 CZ loves the NormaTac. Oh and, forget remington ammo, that junk is pure garbage. I`ve been shootin 60yrs, and i ain`t never seen ANY remington ammo worth a damn, ever.
Let’s be honest you had to run the cheep ammo due to the ginger ninja using up all the SK you had… great vid as usual mate enjoyed it.
Your darn right! He stole all my sk and put it in Eley boxes! Lmao just kidding, or am I?
@@midwest_long_range sneaky little ninja nothing surprises me lol
Maybe you were supposed to use the Remington target ammo for the target. The very worse 22 ammo I have used is Winchester bulk. Haven't tried Winchester super x.
I just got a Rossi rs22 one of the cheapest 22 rilfes and I’ve shot cci stangers and federal champion Aguila just bought some cci standard velocity I haven’t shot so far the Aguila seemed to group the best so far out of that gun at 50 yards I’m sure the cci standard will group good too. I like the Aguilarhe best so far looking forward to trying the standard soon
that cci sv puts them fancy ammo's to shame out of my cz457. maybe i got lucky. idk. that stuff is lights out for me
Lucky man! You’ll save a fortune on ammo.
Same here Trevor, my CZ457 Varmint (all OEM) knocks it out of the park with CCI-SV for warm up, then i switch to NormaTac22 when i really wanna get serious, and it will damn near do single hole 5 shot groups. Spending $4000 on a rifle that doesn`t shoot any better than what i have by watching this video tells me my money was spent more wisely, for me. And i`m only using a cheap Vortex Strike Eagle 5-25x56, 419 rail. I`m not knocking the OP, i just can`t justify spending that kind of money against what i have, when my CZ457 will run the table.
freedom munitions has cci SV for 39.80 per 500
Nice I’m gonna have to order some
Can't go wrong with a Kenny Ey gun. Mine seemed to shoot equally well with Tenex, Eley Match, Sk Match, Sk STD+. I can't wait to spend some more time with the gun. CCI SV will be fun to try. It was my "go to" when I shot Rimfire IHMSA silhouettes. I bet it shoots pretty well in the DPG 457. But I really want to start lot testing and find that magic ammo. How do you like the Manners stock compared to a full on chassis?
I enjoyed your video and envy your range setup.
Thanks buddy, man I really like the manners a lot. But I still like an ACC as well. On this particular setup the manners seems to be the ticket on this one. Stocks are just so personal.
Your rifle appears to prefer ammo between 900 and 1050 FPS. Once you get into anything 1100FPS an above it tend to go high and irregular.
Look at Bullet Central for Norma... they typically have most of the variants
The federal and fiocchi were a pleasant surprise. The cci was about what I expected. Be interesting to take it out to 200 and see what it does.
You took the words right out of my mouth lol
So…?
I would like to see you test other ammo. CCI mini mag, Federal Punch Aquila.
Where do you buy your ammo fella ?? The prices are just super too.
I wonder about accuracy if the worst shooting stuff was weight sorted?
Nice video i just tested norma tac22 on my CZ457 and i shot 9 5 shot groups and it avg 0.8MOA. I am super impressed with Norma tac22 Ive also not ever shot SK, I meed to order some online. I cant find it anywhere around me.
Fun and interesting video
Where in missouri is that Fiochi made? I believe theres an ammo plant in sedalia.
funny because rem target works very well in my cz 457. Best cheap ammo
CCI rocks!
Cool video man
Thanks buddy! Just putting lead in the wind lol
How about a $500-1000 rifle including a decent scope CZ 457 just to name one and spend the rest of the money on top notch ammo .Eley, Norma etc.I bet you will be surprised at the groups. You don't need a $6000 rig to shoot good groups. All for show.
I have several videos showing cz457, tikka t1x, Bergara b14r, Anschutz etc. shooting premium match ammo "not sure I'd put Norma in that category at the moment, but I have heard they are working on good stuff" and I don't have a $6000 rig just for shooting good groups, it's a system to help with many parts of the shooting sport I participate in "it's not a benchrest rig."
@@midwest_long_range Whatever makes people happy. I think there is a market for everyone. Likes and preferences applications etc. For the regular Joe get a decent 22 bolt, but spend your money in good ammo. I have seen Eley Tenex just to name one ammo shot from a custom built rifle and groups were nothing to brag about. Switch the ammo and rifle become a tack driver. Go figure. Try different good ammo see what your rifle likes and stick with it.
the federal blue box is decent, just too spicy
Awesome video!!
Thanks man! When you gonna come shoot with me?
@Midwest Long Range soon man!
Need to try Anguilla
I've always had great results with CCI standard. I'm thinking 22s are twisted for standard velocity.
Love my cci std target stuff , well at least until 200 yards. Things start to fall apart from there on from my old savage .
Distance defeats most budget ammo for sure
So is a $4000 dollar gun more accurate than a $2000 gun? We all know that there is no limit to what you can spend on a gun. Increasing $$$$$ over a certain amount only gives bragging rights on spending, not group size.
This depends on the shooting discipline your interested in. If you focus the money on custom barrels and a quality smith accuracy is going to similar but then you will be limited on the types of stock the budget will allow and for positional shooting there are tons of stock options some very budget friendly others not so much but lots of options. But if you spend your money on the stock and add on’s rather than a barrel, the gun will most likely be less accurate and less consistent than the custom barrel version. I was unwilling to sacrifice what I wanted in my barreled action or my stock and trigger so with that about $4000 is what is commonly spent on rifles by those competitors but similar accuracy can be achieved for less absolutely
Thanks for sharing. Blessings
Cci standard 40/1070 is one hole ammo for me
When cycling through brands like this, is there a best practice for number of fouling shots before you start looking at groups?
Yes especially if switching between ammos like lapua and eley due the extreme difference in lubricant. Most of these were very similar and when I tested foulers off camera it showed no noticeable difference in this particular selection
Love this video style.
Damn my uncle just gave me a whole bucket full of Remington I haven’t shot yet… I hope mines not as bad as yours
the odds are not in your favor lol
Where it falls off is past 50 yards
Absolutely, I’m gonna do a video testing long range accuracy as well.
Pretty cool video.
Thanks man
Good video but need to turn the music way down.
Why did it seem like you took more time concentrating squeezing off rounds of the CCI compared to the first two types of the Federal ammo ?
It’s in the editing, I actually shot the cci fast enough I didn’t need to cut out time between shots to keep the length of video down.
Hi, lovng the channel, did you ever get the Ruger 'precision' rimfire to shoot? could you please do some more work on it maybe test some barrels.
I have a new barrel on order just waiting on it to come in. New RPR content coming soon.
@@midwest_long_range Right on, I sent my rfle back to Ruger complaining that it wouldn't shoot and they sent it back with a test target that was 1-1/4" @ 50 yds.cci standard velocity so they obviously didn't have very high expectations for intrinsic accuracy
Great Video!!! Thanks
You said Box...
Do you use CCI or some of the others for practice now?
I use cci for practice.
CCI Standard and the Fiocchi are the only ones that shoot respectable in my CZ457mtr or my Bergara b14. Have a lot of the others for the kids.
I feel that. My kid can burn up some ammo!
It’s my understanding that CCI makes that for them.
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Friend, ammo might be CHEAP in America like most things.............BUT, here in RIP OFF BRITAIN,............. ITS DAMN EXPENSIVE.
I understand. Things are getting crazy expensive everywhere.
I need me a voodoo...
Midwest gun and pawn has a couple
One day maybe you can try REM. Golden bullets
Lmao 🤣 I’ll have it out for sure.
@@midwest_long_range Just don`t, lol. If you think that REM target ammo you shot in this video was bad, you ain`t gonna like the REM GOLDEN BULLSH!T ammo. I have NEVER shot a more inconsistent ammo than remington ammo. Stuff is just HORRIBLE!
How did the CCI Standard chamber in your Vudoo?
Heard it was hard to chamber in some Vudoo rifles.
Mine is a custom barrel and chamber done by desert precision gun Works not Vudoo
It had no problems feeding anything in this video
@@midwest_long_range I knew that, Duh, but wasn't thinking, lol. Would love to have Kenny build me a custom rifle or might send him my Vudoo to get one of his barrels. 👍🏼
My $100 marlin ..with $ 50 scope… shoots better than that $4000 rifle!..lol
Nice video. CCI and Remington these cartridges are only suitable for shooting at bottles.
I can afford a flyer or 2 for .08 a round
THANK YOU for your interesting video. I'm a bit of an ACCURACY FREAK but don't like spending $10-$15/box of 50. I don't have any SUPER ACCURATE 22lr rifles or pistols but do have a couple of GOOD CONTENDERS on a BUDGET PRICE. I've got 2 BRNOs, 2 somewhat modified 10/22s, 2 single shot Mauser trainers pre-WWII and a Norinco 522 early target rifle that I can't wait to do some SERIOUS TARGET SHOOTING soon. Unfortunately I had a FIRE at my house in my BEDROOM at 3 am and I'm OVERWHELMED with the BS I'm in countered with my insurance company. I was somewhat fortunate that I had a friend who was able to store my BIG BOY TOYS COLLECTION while I'm dealing with the RESTORATION of my house. IT'S been so OUT LANDISH dealing with the insurance company I'm probably going to SELL MY HOUSE, I'm turning 71 in a few days and I'm not PHYSICALLY, MENTALLY and PSYCHOLOGICALLY prepared to DEAL with this BS so I'm going to sell. Trying to secure a place to go after where I'm staying now where the insurance company put me while the house is being fixed. 🤔😱😳😵💫😖😡😮💨
Where can I get the leather scope wrap and cheek wrap at?
Contact Bud Weber at “recon by fire Range” on Facebook or Instagram or I think you can google him also
You said Tool....
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You tried a lot harder on the CCISD then you did on the other animals that is unfair testing
Norma tac is good stuff, right with cci green tag. My opinion out of my guns.
If you can find it try norma usa tactical 22lr its $6 a box in canada
I see that leather cover on the sunshade is touching the barrel? Do you remove that before shooting that rifle? That would affect the harmonics of the barrel if left on when shooting i would think?
It’s close but it does not touch.
@@midwest_long_range cool.