When you use the wrong words to describe your work....you lose all credibility. Max deviation is flat f'ing wrong. If you shoot like you talk, your reviews are crap. Blow you nose and do not pop you lips when you talk. Horrible video.
You keep saying that you wouldn't want to shoot a subsonic beyond 50 yds. Actually, you will find that subsonic is MUCH more accurate at long range in a .22LR. When you shoot a lightweight bullet at 1200fps, it very quickly drops below the speed of sound. It goes trans sonic somewhere from 40-70 yds, usually. As it dips below the speed of sound, the pattern of the shockwaves change, and the bullet is destabilized. Once it is destabilized at 40-70 yards, it has the rest of it's flight time to wander all over the place. This is why you might see great groups at 50 from a supersonic, but crappy groups at 100. If you use a subsonic, it never goes trans sonic. OK, there is more drop, but you get yourself a 20-30MOA scope base, and you are fine out beyond 300. Yes, the bullet lands on the target like a mortar, but it's consistent and predictable.
No you're absolutely right. Since this i've taken all the best to 200 and beyond and eley force will shoot up to 1/2 moa at 200. That was something i didn't really know about how supersonic 22 rounds are easily destabilized through the transonic barrier. Like you said, its basically coming straight down but its coming straight down consistently. I can shoot force out to 350 and not run out of dope on the scope. the rprf has a 30 moa base plus the reticle has 36 more MOA of elevation. Interesting stuff.
Joel Curtin spot on the issue with hv at range is they all drop below super sonic around 76ish yards.. when the fall back below super sonic they get pushed off target. All long range 22 shooters is std velocity heavy for caliber rounds and elevate their scope to make up for drop.
Fish R Relaxing I was shooting Eley Tenex, but I’m running out, and they are going for crazy money. For now, I’m switching to SK Long Range. The standard deviation is better on the Tenex (5.4 vs 7.5), but the SK is half the price.
Joel Curtin yes but your rail better have a lot of MOA at least 30 at the elevation adjustment or your rings are shimed up quite a bit but you are right high velocity and supersonic stuff is real accurate over a hundred yards I've seen some people shooting at 500 yards
I just did a LOT of shooting with my cousin this past weekend to test out the Ruger Precision Rimfire in 22lr and wanted to share a lot of data with everyone. These are 5 shot groups at 50 yards measured in inches center to center. The wind was light. The temp was about 64. A group size with a * means a flyer was observed and counted in the measurement Your results may vary. Enjoy! Eley Club 0.36 Eley Edge 0.387 CCI Standard 0.421 CCI Mini mag 0.457 CCI SGB 0.503* RWS Rifle Match 0.581 SK Pistol Match 0.591 CCI Velocitor 0.598 RWS Target Rifle 0.639 Eley Practice 0.64 Gemtech Silencer 0.677 Federal Gold Medal Match 0.691 CCI Stinger 0.703 * Agulia Pistol Match 0.715 Agulia Super Extra 0.726 Agulia Super Extra 0.735 Fiocchi Performance 0.747 Agulia Target Competition 0.75 Winchester Super Suppressed 0.773 wolf match 0.803 Remington Thunderbolt 0.806 Eley High Velocity 0.833 Federal Hunter Match 0.864 Federal Champion 0.881 * Federal Gold Medal Target 0.882 Federal HV Match 0.928 Eley Target 0.975 * CCI Green Tag 1.056* Agulia Sniper Subsonic 1.182 Magtech Standard 1.191 Federal Auto Match 1.193 Winchester Subsonic 1.202 SK Standard Plus 1.221 Armscor Gold color hollow 1.29 Winchester M22 1.303 CCI Select 1.331 SK Rifle Match 1.347 Geco Rifle 1.454 CCI Mini mag 1.467 Federal Black Pack 1.48 Federal Field & Range 1.487 Remington Viper 1.498 Eley Subsonic 1.507 * CCI copper 1.654 Armscor Copper color hollow 1.727 CCI Segmented 1.842 Winchester Varmint HE 1.864 RWS Subsonic 1.905 Remington Yellow jacket 2.237
You put in a lot of work! A bit of advice from a scientist, limit your results to 2 digits after the decimal . I sincerely doubt that you can measure to the thousanths of an inch of the separation between 2 holes with indistinct centers.
One of THE BEST 22lr ammo comparison videos I've ever seen. Subbed. Cant understand how you only have 1.4k subs ??? Your dedication to detail & thoroughness is to be applauded. 👏👏
Love your presentation showing the groups after the fact without putting the viewer through every shot! Your summaries are perfect info. To make a decision for the viewer.
Today first shot with my RPR . 25m CCI Tatget st.velo. 40gr 1070fps --> 0.95cm group good! & Norma Target sucked spread and highright : cleaned out barrel in between 50rounds CCI then 30rounds NORMA ..... thx for the review guided me to my the first ammo for this rifle. NoRMA was mot on my list - a giveaway from the store.... but good to see similar results !
A suggestion for these types of accuracy videos. When you are shooting 10 round groups, I would allow for operator or environmental (wind) error at least once. (I'm a mathemetician, throw out the best and worst, average the rest. I'm willing to live with leaving the best in since it would often be hard to pick out.) Throw out the worst flyer and post the results for a 9 round group. The CCI Standard for example would have been MUCH better. Good Video! I like this kind of information.
Never throw out hits! Wind, flyier... doesn’t matter in a comp they count every round. You as a responsible shooter are responsible for every round you send down range.. this is why ammo testing and load testing is done for every specifics setup. Don’t discount a bad shot it’s part of the group.
to be fair then. he would have to clean the rifle the exact same way every time and then allow the same number of flowing shots, along with 10 targets and pull out of the same box of 500 at random. then go to a indoor range as to cut out some X factors i guess strap the gun down as to reduce more X . but to say (X-brand) shoots the best is somewhat not fair as 22 rifles can be a bit picky. if one had suck time they could make a killer video.
@@coady-wp3xf such time and they key word there is "MONEY" LOL! if you're bored i narrowed it down to a few that did well and compared it against my 10/22. a little bit better info in there. i allowed for fouling rounds, so on. Thanks for the input.
When you get right at the point of breaking the sound barrier then you start having group problems. Thats why the PMC at 910 FPS shot a good group, you gun barrel twist rate and the slower FPS works very well together. Once you get to around 1130 fps and above its a different story most of the time.
@@coreyd1474Can you post a video where it’s been debunked? I’m not trying to argue with you on this I just recently got into shooting 22LR and I’ve heard of this transonic stage
i would love to but i don't think you can post links. look up mark and sam after work. hes an assie that shoots extreme long range and he has a great video address things that fudds usually talk about like scope over bore height and transonic 22 destabilization. all comes down to who you going to listen to. some fudd on the internet who says his thunderbolts don't shoot well at 300 yards because transonic magic or a guy who consistently shoots 22's at 1000 yards with super sonic ammo. @@Blackhawk556.
Man, I love your documentation, time and $ you spent on this. Thank you. Seems .22 rifles are notorious for being ammo sensitive. I prefer subsonic and suppressed so no earplugs. My son just went two/ten at a 20 gauge empty shotgun shell at 115 yds. Shooting from prone, Savage MKII, BSA Glass, and CCI standard subsonic. Winds were from 0 to 10 and changing directions. Went 5/5 on 6” gong at 200. Ran out of adjustment and was just using holdover (no dots or lines), so I am proud of it.
Thanks for watching and the input! i've been doing it for quite some time now ant it really is amazing how much of a difference it makes. Temperature too. Gotta love long range shooting with 22 for sure. i had a few of mine out to 450 the other day using cci std vel and still have a little left in the reticle.
Love the video and extremely thorough comparison. I’m surprised you didn’t try anything from Eley or the Federal Ultra Match but I understand trying to keep the cost down as low as possible. I tested 7 different ammos in my RPRR and found that it liked the Eley Tenex, Federal Ultra Match and Eley Edge best in that order. The CCI 40 gr standard velocity was a close match as well until I went out to 100 yds. That’s when the Tenex really separates itself from the others. Great video!
You'll have to check out the second part, I did several Eley types. I actually went ahead and bought 1000 force because it shot well. shot very well out to 350 i was getting .5 MOA groups with it at 200. Eley target shot super well too i'll get some more of that when it gets warm.Thanks for watching!
Nice summary. Norma TAC22 shoots very well in my RPR rifles. 8/10" 5 shot group at 100 yds. You have to clean the barrel and shoot a bunch of the Norma to acclimate the barrel to the waxy lube. It's that way with any of the bullets that have the soft lube.
I second Roland. My RPRR loves the TAC22's. I got a .76 group at 50 with them and they performed well last weekend out to 200 yards at a rimfire PRS comp. May be that gun to gun they like different rounds, but I'd definitely try this ammo in your RPRR.
It's interesting that you can tell immediately when the video was shot by the price of the ammo. As soon as I heard $2.99 for a box of .22LR I knew it was pre-covid.
@@coreyd1474 Yep, I still remember paying $9.50 for 100 rounds of CCI mini-mag and thinking I was being stupid. I remember getting 500 rounds of Armscore 40 grain, standard velocity (plinking ammo) for $20. In fact, I'm still plinking for 4 cents per shot, while others are paying 20 cents for the same thrill. It's never going to be anywhere what it was before 2020. You can horde what you bought, or just enjoy the fact that you can afford to shoot.
I just bought a bunch of ammo to mix into my collection- yours is a good idea. From here going forward I will know what I have. Some of my stuff is at least ten years old. I know, I need to shoot more!
@@kirkjohnson9353 I'm right there with you. I know I have stuff that is over 12 years old, I have had it since before my son was born, i have a pretty decent stockpile. Gonna start shooting everything without a date on it. Then buy the same amount I shot to replace it and put a date on it.
@@coreyd1474 most modern powders are double base. If stored properly, cool dry place, they will be good for decades. However powders do degrade slowly over time. So while old ammo may function just fine it may lose velocity, consistency, and thus accuracy with age. So i put dates on my ammo and shoot the oldest ammo first to keep the freshest ammo available. You could try to look up and decode lot numbers on boxes, but its a royal pain. Writing the purchase date on the box is simple and easy.
Late to the party but great review. Interesting that you found the Norma stuff to be inconsistent. I usually use CCI subsonic is my RPR which runs a Wildcat Predator 12 suppressor and is almost silent, the thing is sub 1/2" groups but today i was using Norma subsonic and the groups were like buckshot out of an unchoked 12g. Super inconsistent and each shot sounded different too as if the powder loads were varying.
i have never had any flafor of norma shoot well out of any thing i've tested it in. in all my shooting and testing if found stick to cci std vel, any type of sk, or cx and you'll be ok.
Part 1 (good video) Question; did you clean your barrel between your changing of ammo's - or did you acclimate your barrel with the next round of testing each ammo? Overall, you certainly put a lot of work into this, and thank you!!! Oh,,, .22lr Subsonic ammo is far more accurate at long range over the high velocity stuff - do to the no transition wobble from super sonic to subsonic...
so this was when i was just starting to get in to 22 so i wasn't as familiar with fowling and all that so in this video i just moved from one to the next. no fowling or cleaning. As far as sub/super i have noticed no tumbling with any supersonic round out to 450
@@coreyd1474 Try the Norma again and just shoot the whole box. 10 rounds usually for seasoning the barrel but I can shoot a lot and I care about accuracy after lots of shooting.
Awesome job sir... This vid will save a lot of money from people buying .22!! Project Appleseed, I'm involved it this organization. This is perfect for us instructors to see...
@@jross13450 i've since replaced the barrel with an er shaw barrel. still shoots federal white box and eley target well. eley target is right at 1 moa at 100
Didn't catch what distance you shot these at. Have you tried the CCI Copper? Lead free is required in CA for all hunting now. It's ok at 50 yards but terrible at 100.
Thank you CCI for the think customer attitude and filling the lead free nitch but this laments the fact that Kalifornia can and will screw up anything and everything. "The two infinites.... the universe and human stupidity" Albert Einstein.
@@oldschool9932 I read somewhere that you have to replace the a2 device on ar style rifles with a compensator in kalifornia LOL that's how stupid they are. But get ready for kalifornia politics to come to the white House unfortunately 😔
WOW, you really went all out, you sir are excellent ! I subscribed just because of stumbling across this video. You showed facts not fiction and constantley stated "for your rifle on the day" well done and I can't wait to see more. Personally I shoot 300 win mag long range and 308win beyond what most would. You made me pull my .22 out of the safe and be excited !!
Nice review, my rprf doesn’t shoot very well, I have a marlin 795 that shoots tight groups with almost every ammo except the 60gr aguila and hyper fast ammo, pretty disappointed in my rprf, and I’ve tried 15-20 different types of ammo with it.
A barrel swap would be a more cost effective route if you like the Ruger as there are a host of high-end barrel manufacturers that make all types of different barrels for the kit....if you like that chassis type configuration.
@@oldschool9932 To be honest with you it shoots a few types of ammo so well i'm not going to bother with it. maybe after a while if i notice significant accuracy degradation. what's the price on most of those barrels? just curious.
@@Mrjohnboy1965 honestly the only reason I put it on there is because it was laying around. I think it's a surefire pro comp but I took it off and put an actual 22 device on it from madmacs tactical. Doesn't seem to affect accuracy but it reduces recoil even tho 22 doesn't have much to begin with lol
This guys got some friggin sniper rifle uzi deluxe howitzer with a friggin grenade launcher on it and I’m over here with my friggin Winchester 190 I got for 120$ at bass pro shops
The SK and the Wolf are exactly the same ammo. They just change the outer box. The yellow SK is the Wolf Target and the Red box is the Wolf Match. You will get an occasional flyer out of both. Seems to be about 2 or 3 a box. The Lapua pistol king has a faster burning powder to get higher velocity out of pistol length barrels. The pistol loads tend to get really good standard deviations because all the powder gets burnt in a rifle barrel. They are kind of an "insider's secret" to getting match grade ammo a little less expensive. Works best in bolt guns because it burns hot and quick.
Thanks for the input! i have been out with the wolf a few times since then and it shoots very well. So does pistol king. but so far eley force has been the best out to 350 yards. Thanks for watching!
I've got the same RPR w/bipod & monopod, & most (~90%) of those same ammo types for trials .. it'll be interesting to see how we compare. I've watched twice but never heard you say what distance you ran your tests at. 50 or 100 yds?
@@acerlazereye1232 its at 50. i ended up ordering a bunch of eley force and it is awesome out to 350. i was able to get 1/2 moa groups at 200. surprised the shit out of me. thanks for watching thought!
Agree with your info...the other wolf match extra around 70 bucks per brick last i read is made in England by Eley. My gun likes the cheaper Wolf better.
@@j.l.8000 i think the MT is made in germany by lapua but i could be wrong. doesn't really matter. it doesn't shoot that well for me. especially past 50 yards.
Federal Target Grade 40g works the best in my RPR too! Thanks for the confirmation and info. I also have the same issues with the junk ammo as noted. What was the distance for the test?
mine doesn't shoot it the best but as far as price/accuracy/availability its a winner hands down. mine after much more testing and more than 10 shot groups shoots eley target the best at 50 and eley force 50 to beyond 300. All these groups were at 50 yards BTW. Thanks for watching.
Unless you have a small bore match competition rifle ie. Anschutz, Walther, Feinwerbau etc, it is nor worth to try the highest end ammo like Eley Tenex or Lapua Midas. The ammo is optimized for 50 meters and is good for 100 meters but they produce the best results in match bolt action rifles that have a special tight chamber that engages the bullet into the rifling. The 22lr headspaces on the rim and one way to secure the most consistent ammo is to segregate it measuring the thickness of the rim (Champion Shooters Supply sells a gauge for about $5) thus insuring all cartridges have the same head space. Not important in a regular 22 but it is in a $4000.00 competition rifle if one is shooting for points in competition against small bore specialists with the same rifles and ammo. I have an Olympic match Anschutz that can shoot 1/4" from the bench with Eley, Lapua or SK at 50 meters and less than an inch at 100 meters but it has a 100 gram (3 oz) trigger with the lowest lock time possible and a 27 inch bull barrel and weighs 14 pounds. Accurate Shooter website has an article of 75 brands tested with a match rifle at 50, 75 and 100 yards with the results from best to worse. Interesting stuff. If you can match your rifle to the ammo it really likes, your golden and it seems you rifle can shoot several brands very well.
Oh no! Federal bulk shot that bad out of your Ruger. I am shocked. Out of my 32 year old Bruno I have attained groups around the one inch, a little over a couple under at 100 meter from the bench. The scope on it is a Simmons 4-14 x 40. I had to remove the rear sight to fit that scope. Blazer also shoots well as do Federal solids. I guess i need to see what some of the more expensive rounds shoot like.
Yes I know it's a little expensive but buy 50 of whatever you can get your hands on. That's the best way so you don't have a ton of left over ammo your rifle doesn't like and a lot of it is expensive. Having said that my last two have liked most types of eley just fyi
since i've replaced the barrel i'm definitely going to get another batch of standard velocity. also have a custom 10/22 i've almost got done. going to do a comparison video of the two. thanks for watching.
That's crazy that the Remington thunderbolt was so bad in your rifle. I've never had any bad results from that ammo. But with that being said I just picked up a Ruger precision and have not ran any through yet. It'll be interesting to see the results.
thunderbolt shoots like trash through any rifle i own but it doesn't really bother me. its cheap, works well out of auto loads and you can find it anywhere.
Exact same situation here. I pretty much exclusively use Thunderbolt in my M&P 15-22 as it has the least issues with magazine feeds, where I'm often running rounds through pretty quickly at ~25 yards. For a change of pace, I just picked up a Ruger Precision and was planning on trying out some other ammo types at longer ranges. This video is fantastic!
Just found your channel subbed after watching . Are you doing any kind of barrel maintenance between brands ? My Ruger likes the Norma match out of a clean bore but they're all different have never seen that Federal target in NE Ohio but I'm gonna look harder. Have had decent results with Eley/ Remington target also......Thanks for the info.
No not in between ammo. I'll run a snake through it after a day of shooting but i'm usually pressed for time or the weather has been shit and i don't feel like spending more time outside than i have to. I did end up buying 1000 more eley force and its been awesome. super consistent even all the way out to 350 yards. I've got 1/2 moa groups with it at 200 yards. Anyway, thanks for watching glad i could help.
@@coreyd1474 The reason I inquired about barrel maintenance Norma ,Eley , And many other competion grade brands use a wax base bullet lubricant especially during cold weather shooting you may experience a build up of this lube on your barel lans that may cause rotation/ stabilization issues. Also a buildup of this lube can cause pressure deviations resulting in vertical strings..........just sayin
@@pinslayer4579 yea I know..I just figured the average user isn't going to take the time to "cleanse" the barrel of previous fowling they'll just throw it in and expect it to perform.
With my ruger percision its completely different than yours. Mine hates aguila and loves the cci standard at all yardage. I have been testing using match grade and have yet found one better than cci standard.
I'd like to confirm my Precision Rimfire also loves the federal white box. Which is great because my 10/22 Target does too! Both right around 1moa on a calm day
Hello Corey D. I have the same 22. I once read some thing from a Utube man called STKO. He was pointing out a problem with 10 22's where the bolt harms the first round ( I think thats' what he meant). I notice that my bolt really scars the round if it is closed with the mag in before the first shot. I now see that you always have the bolt back when putting in the mag. Is this a rule with skilled shooters? I am very new to shooting. Please. Jimmy D.
its not necessarily just the bolt that causes scaring on the round a lot of it has to do with the way its fed from the magazine. thats why you see the super accurate rifles (vudoo, rimx, cz, tikka, bergara) have a feeding system where the round never touches the chamber. it definitely has an impact on accuracy if its a large mark on the round.
I like the Federal target grade $18.99 per 325, they are a clean and reliable round for a great price (around these parts) but my favorite (not even in your video) are the (Walmart exclusive) Federal red box (fed reds) @ $19.94 per 550, you just cant beat this price per the amount of rounds, these actually look polished! 36gr. copper plated h/p 1260 fps and any copper plated bullet helps prevent fouling in the barrel after the round is fired! I like these not so much for my Ruger 10/22 rifle but my Ruger SR-22 handgun, it eats anything I put in it but I like these two rounds for the reasons mentioned. I can remember when the Thunderbolts ruled (pricewise) the market even as dirty and unreliable as they are but now you pay an extra $10 to spend an extra 10 minutes washing your hands when you get back from the range! Awesome video, thanks for showing the differences in these loads!
I totally agree. White box federal price/availability/accuracy they're hands down the best. my only gripe about bullets going as fast as you said the red feds are going is 22 doesn't handle the transonic face well so thats why you don't get the accuracy out to distance as you would something in the sweet spot around 1090 or so. Anyway, thanks for the input and thanks for watching!
@@coreyd1474 when it comes to hunting (squirrel) where distance plays into it, I haven't really had any instances that comes to mind where I have taken a shot out far enough to see that discrepancy that I wasn't totally willing to put on me (usually the 2nd shot does the trick) not the ammo, and as for my pistol I'm only shooting 15' out to maybe 45' where that wouldn't even come into play, or at least I haven't noticed, shooting AR 500 and they go clank every time...lol . that's probably why I haven't noticed what you pointed out...thanks for the info....one thing I can say is that with my Crosman TR-77 air rifle .177 using PBA pellets I'm going sonic because I can hear the crack and it sounds like a 22! and I get good...(ok decent) accuracy with them out to 25 yds.
@@Frank-uf2vn yea for game the faster the better totally. i know people get alll worked up about shooting stingers out of the rprf but i've shot almost 100 with no issue. thats a screaming load. bad thing about those is you have to wear hearing pro.
Just got my ruger, haven't shot it yet. I had to buy a bunch of ammo before the online ammo ban in California before I even got the rifle. There's only one local gun store & they know it & have crazy double & 3x priced ammo. I got cases of Aguila and some type of semi auto tactical ammo.
Yes I just started watching the video and i was waiting about 15 minutes for yardage to come into play and I just decided to start scrolling through the comments lol
Thanks man. I was wondering if these were 100 yards or 50 yards. Holy crap it was frustrating watching this without knowing the distance these shots were taken at!! Thanks for saying that!
I'm surprised your norma tac 22 and match 22 didn't work for your rifle. it also explains why the rws target didn't work either since they are the same ammo. i think rws makes the ammo for norma. the headstamp on the norma is the same as rws and i think the match 22 is the same as rws yellow box. i do biathlon with those ammo's and seem to be ok. indoors from 50m i've got pretty good groupings using the iron sights.
Hey dude. Thanks for the info. I just recently got a RPRR and I love it. I've been trying to find good ammo for it and this video helps me alot.. greatly appreciated. Hope all is well ✌🏻
Funny how different .22 rifles like different ammunitions. My CZ 455 loves the Norma TAC and Norma Match (1/2" groups at 50 and 1" groups at 100yds) and when suppressed the Aguila SV. Another good, cheap ammo is the CCI standard velocity target ammo. Good video dude, lot of work. Thanks for sharing. BTW, don't refrain from pushing that ammo on out to 200 yards, even the sub sonic stuff.
Funny... your experience with the Rem Thunderbolt through your RPR was the EXACT same as mine. I've always been a fan of the Federal, CCI, or Winchester stuff for plinkimg, because it WORKS. Rem ammo has always been trash for me. Dunno where/why I even got that last box. My son was shooting my 10-22 that day, so I just handed him the box of Rem why I tested other stuff in my RPR. But it absolutely hated the Rem stuff. I got sauib loads and stuck cases as well. I think that Rem rimfire is trash and the most inconsistent ammo available. They really should stop making that garbage. Their centerfire stuff has always been fine for me.
do they even still make it? i don't even recall seeing it on shelves or online but i guess that could be due to the ammo shortage. either way i don't care. i'd take it for free but thats about it.
My current preferred 22lr at 50 and 100 yards is SK Long Range AFTER I have used a Neal Waltz resizing die on the ammo. The die does two things that I identify as improving the precision (no, I have no targets to demonstrate). One, resizing ensures that for 360 degrees the 22lr driving rings are a consistent 0,225 in., and two, that the rings are 0.225 in. to ensure positive contact with the rifling grooves. Someone noted in the comments "remove the wax" from the SK 22lr ammo. SK does not use a wax lube; a light oil is used as with all German manufactured 22lr's that I have experience with. CCI and Eley 22lr use a wax
Would like to see if you can get a hold of a Savage Mark II TR ( the one with a 22" heavy barrel ) and see what the difference is. It is a great bench rifle. Here we can not get the ammo you can but using what I can get it seems to shoot tighter groups. at 50yd. and amazing at 30 and 40. where I mostly shoot. Using CCI standard can completely cover a five shot group with a dime, (5/16" center to center) on a good day. And have shot five groups of five all under 1" in one sitting. Would like to see some one who is a better shot, shoot the Mark II and think they can improve on this. At 75 not the eyes I use to be. As soon as the weather warms up, going to try to get out and shoot a lot more, hoping to improve and get all groups close to or under 3/8". Did pick up a better scope but have not even got a chance to sight it in yet. Weather not good lately.
Late comer to comments...Great comparison. My personal experience with the Federal Automatch(Walmart purchase) has been less than ideal. Out of several different firearms, have had approximately 8-10% 'duds'. Good pin strikes on the rims but failure to fire. Not sure if a Walmart issue and their storage conditions or a Federal issue and just a bad lot. Your testing may get me to buy some more(but not at Walmart). The CCI standard target velocity has been a fantastic all around ammo for our youth shooting sports groups(Smallbore pistol and rifle, Western Heritage) Thanks-
better late than never! i'm sure with the automatch just like anything post 2020 the quality has gone down and the price has gone up. to be honest im not ever sure i've shot it recently just get a few bricks or so everytime i see it on the shelf to avoid not having any in the next shortage.
JUST an wood chuck and squirrel shooter here mostly, but if you are to go through all this analysis, WHY WOULD YOU GO SHOOT in Unstable, undesirable wind conditions as you did at 100 yards.. ANY statistician would advise against it as it really skews the data. Also, I would suggest you ALWAYS take out the greatest outlier whether man error or ammo error or conditions error. Statistically, it makes more sense in judgment/comparison, but to also note WHICH ammo had the least significant outliers.
Great video gave me some good info on what to feed my Ruger Precision .22R ,only thing that puzzles me is the Norma TAC22 ammo in my custom rifle I built its a Brownells BRN-22 receiver with a TAC SOL barrel bedded in a Boyds stock , Nikon P Tactical 2-7 with Norma TAC it shoots .71 at 50yds -
I'm in my 60s and at one time back in the 1980s PMC ammo was a common Eco-brand. I have found that PMC Target is very accurate from Ruger Mark IIs as well. I'm talking .25" diameter , not ctc, 10 shot groups at 44 feet (length of my basement range) from a sandbag rest. If you can find it, buy it.
Thanks for going to so much trouble and expense to test all these different kinds of ammunition and provide an overview of so many results. Kudos. I realize this video is four years old now and from your description it sounds like you have made a number of upgrades since that time. I don’t mean to be critical, although this is a critical comment, referring to the equipment in this video I’m afraid your rifle is just not very accurate. Hopefully with the upgrades you described you found better accuracy with a number of different kinds of ammunition.
hard to hate on the rprf for what it costs IMO. it's an entry level rifle for people looking to get in to the prs/nrl sport and i think it is a pretty darn good one.
The effort here was great. I just can’t take these results as final for determining what type of ammo I should buy because I got different results with Norma tac 22 and CCI standard velocity. I managed to get a 5 shot group of 0.17” at fifty yards with CCI sv out of my Ruger precision rim fire Norma shot better than what you got as well I get it. Every rifle is different so buy each and see which one your rifle likes.
this isn't an end all be all. just a guide more or less for shooters just getting in to the sport that i can maybe help them narrow down their choices.
@corey..... man.. I have a question for u...... how you shoot in your ruger standard velocity ammo.. an then high velocity? with cci standard at 100 yard I have a 7/8 group... when I go with cci high velocity 36gn ... group spread at 1 inch but at least 8 inch high... * I don't have any more adjustment in my scope to sight in better.. any advise? I mount a Tasco 6 x18 50mm but I guess my 30moa base is too much?
22s traditionally shoot subsonic more consistant than HV and thats out of almost every gun. i have had a few types that performed ok like federal white box and eley force. my advice is if you're just shooting for fun stick with subsonic. no 30moa isn't too much.
As it is typical for manufacturers to shorten their less expensive ammo by a couple thousandths in order for it to operate better in most all semi-autos, it appears the only ammo your Ruger likes is the higher end 'full-length' ammo, meaning, I'd have a real gunsmith check your headspacing and perhaps tighten it up a 1/1000 or so. Doing so should show a marked improvement in all groups, maybe you'll begin seeing one-hole groups with RWS & equiv.
Corey D my congratulations for the quality of your work! I have one Ruger precision.22lr, please let me understand what's the best subsonic lead ammo for targeting between 50 and 100 meters??? Tks from Italy
Wow I'm so glad you made this video. I've been looking at other 22lr ammo videos trying to figure out what ammo is best for my rifle. I have the same rifle I use for hunting. You also went through a very sufficient variety of ammunition others fail to go through. I now will be buying Aguila super extra 40 grain, fiocchi and cci standard velocity. Thank you.
Liked your test very much, great speaking voice, great rifle much better than most of the ammo you put through it, some fishing weights in that lot, do you have access to ELEY ammo? This would bring your groups in really tight at 50 yards and very respectable at 100 Yards! Thanks again for a very good test! Some prices were robbery!
When changing ammo types, were u Is reacklamating the barrel to each new type of bullet before shooting for groups? 22s really need a good 15-20 rds of each type of ammo through the barrel to reacklamate the barrel to that ammo. U will usually see a big increase in accuracy once u do so. U will also most likely see a difference in results if u were to redo the test in warmer temps with no snow and less wind. Im glad u actually chrono'd each of them, most other people just give u what the box advertises for velocity.
i did this when i very first started getting in to 22s and you're right about the fouling rounds. howver.... if you're going from like ammo such as sk to cx only a few MAYBE 5 rounds max is all you need for fouling. but if you're going from something coated to something non coated you're right more rounds would be needed. thanks for the input!
Man I have a 300 dollar air venturi avenger air rifle that at 50 yards will group with the absolute best 22 ammo out of that ruger "precision" I guess its probably due to the nature of 22 lr ammo just being sucky overall. Kind of disappointing. Want a ruger prf but I might as well stick to the pcp rifle.
well thats not exactly apples to apples. the reason air rifles are so accurate is because you can regulate almost the exact same amount of air pressure per shot. i've seen guys have 1 sd per 20 rounds but its the nature of 22 for sure. i've always wanted to get an air rifle but don't want to really spend money on the tanks to fill it.
I'm having trouble seeing the difference between the Aguila Super Extra 40gr at 1:20 (second type tested on day 1) and the Aguila Super Extra 40gr at 9:11 (first type tested on day 2).
Federal Auto Match @ 22.99 .."it's probably cheaper than that now" Plot twist.. July 2020 and now it's $24.99-29.99 around me, and that's if I can even find it
If you or anyone you know has .22lr ammo they don't want lmk and I'll take it. Reason still testing out my Marlin 795 to see what it's like best. Ty best info on the video. Where's the best place to get a percesion rifle like what you're using without breaking the bank?
really just depends on how much you're wanting to spend. euro optics has sales on high end stuff pretty regularly. i was going to get my tikka t3x tac a1 from them but found it in stock some where else.
I would be disappointed in that rifle more then the ammo! I got two Marlins that will out shoot that Ruger any day of the week! I paid $80 for my first rifle and $150 for a green laminated stock with a SS barrel. Marlin 60. Get one!
Dude real talk I bought almost 1000 rounds of the federal value thinking it would be decent ammo. Hahahaha hell no. 1 in 10 rounds will not fire. About 4 in 10 are to weak to cycle my gun. And the rest are half and half all over the place. You can hear the difference almost every other round will sound louder or less loud. I will never buy federal 22lr again.
damn they must have gone the way of everything else in america post 2019 and gone to shit! i bought a few boxes the other day i'll have to try it out to see if they're shit for me too
I'm reading that all of Ruger's Precision rifles have standard 10/22 chambers. If true, why would Ruger hobble a 'precision' rifle from the 'get go' by doing this?
What makes ammo get good groups is the fit to the barrel, imparting the twist by proper fit from the lands and grooves stabilizing the bullet in flight . This is why some ammo seems to work better than others in certain barrels for no reason, it has to do with the fit of a particular ammo . If the bullet is a little loose it doesn't get the right amount of twist to stabilize in flight , this is why a Guy will say " I only run a certain brand and type of ammo in my rifle. Check Each bullet width with a gauge to see what variation are present and which are more accurate in your rifle.
u should take the norma tac ammo and shoot it at 100 yards, weird cuz all the ammo u liked at 50 yards sucked for me at 100 yards lol except the sk and wolf.... i don’t shoot my rifle at 50 unless i’m sighting in.... i’ll shoot whatever’s on sale lol all those shots are a dead varmint at 50 or one hundred yards anyhow, when my club has a shoot i’ll go to the higher end stuff, but a lot of the cheaper stuff shoots better at one hundred yards than the expensive lupua.....
i do these at 50 mostly because thats where i zero AND its the place i have available to shoot the most. i'm going to do another video at 100 when i can find a calm day.
Subsonic work better past about 75 yards because they don’t destabilize and never get the wobble from the transition from super sonic to sub sonic, I also find the savage mark 2 TR a more accurate gun and a little less expensive.
What height is your rings and what size is your scope ? I got a 17HMR in RPR coming in and i got a 2.5-12x40 1 inch tube and i dont know what height of rings i need
to be 100% honest i can't remember its been so long. it looks like its a 44mm objective so probably medium height rings. i know its a diamonback tactical with vortext tactical rings. so probably under 1 inch height.
Did you mention the distance for each group? 25 yards? 50 yards? 75 yards? 100 yards? I quit watching because without that info the result are not very useful for me.
i am REALLY surprised that your cci standard and cci minimags got the same velocity. the standards are supposed to be subsonic but for some reason your box was not.
Perhaps you could shoot a couple DE-fouling shots before each test with the ammo to be tested. Some of those wild first flyers may be eliminated. (Someone else probably said this but I did not read all 438 comments.)
Yea at this time i was new to being serious about 22. my new videos (if you care to watch them) i allow for 25 fowling rounds for each ammo tested. Thanks for watching!
Hi. I know you said you'd go with Federal Target Grade all day long. But that's round nose. What about hunting ammo please? Which one is the best for hunting?
Hey u ur paper says the winchester was 38 grain and the box u show was 40 grain I'm curious to know if that was just a mistake or u was shooting cheaper ammo bc ten dollars for a 100 isnt cheap at all for 22lr
the Lapua, RWS R50, RWS R100 is all supposed to be used in those single loading match/olympic bolt actions, where a 1mm group improvment is a big deal. This ammo was never supposed to be used in bolt actions or semi autos anyways.
@@coreyd1474 once you have a bit of wind the advantage of the olympic grade ammo is gone. Also match grade ammo is loaded with less power, so for 100m shooting for me the 36gr CopperHPs are the better choice since they have a flatter trajectory
I have a semi auto 22 cal MP40 - I went to a local gun store and all they had to sell was ammo that didn't cycle for my weapon - Can you recommend 22 LR ammo that has a reputation for good cycling?
Accuracy can depend on the rifle you are using. An expensive rifle doesnt mean more accuracy. Try all this ammo with a different rifle, different bore to match the bullets, can bring different results.
Wow dude, you put a lot of work into that for us. Good research, thank you sir!
i wouldn't consider it work when you get to shoot LOL thanks for watching!
When you use the wrong words to describe your work....you lose all credibility. Max deviation is flat f'ing wrong.
If you shoot like you talk, your reviews are crap. Blow you nose and do not pop you lips when you talk. Horrible video.
You keep saying that you wouldn't want to shoot a subsonic beyond 50 yds. Actually, you will find that subsonic is MUCH more accurate at long range in a .22LR. When you shoot a lightweight bullet at 1200fps, it very quickly drops below the speed of sound. It goes trans sonic somewhere from 40-70 yds, usually. As it dips below the speed of sound, the pattern of the shockwaves change, and the bullet is destabilized. Once it is destabilized at 40-70 yards, it has the rest of it's flight time to wander all over the place. This is why you might see great groups at 50 from a supersonic, but crappy groups at 100. If you use a subsonic, it never goes trans sonic. OK, there is more drop, but you get yourself a 20-30MOA scope base, and you are fine out beyond 300. Yes, the bullet lands on the target like a mortar, but it's consistent and predictable.
No you're absolutely right. Since this i've taken all the best to 200 and beyond and eley force will shoot up to 1/2 moa at 200. That was something i didn't really know about how supersonic 22 rounds are easily destabilized through the transonic barrier. Like you said, its basically coming straight down but its coming straight down consistently. I can shoot force out to 350 and not run out of dope on the scope. the rprf has a 30 moa base plus the reticle has 36 more MOA of elevation. Interesting stuff.
Joel Curtin spot on the issue with hv at range is they all drop below super sonic around 76ish yards.. when the fall back below super sonic they get pushed off target. All long range 22 shooters is std velocity heavy for caliber rounds and elevate their scope to make up for drop.
Fish R Relaxing I was shooting Eley Tenex, but I’m running out, and they are going for crazy money. For now, I’m switching to SK Long Range. The standard deviation is better on the Tenex (5.4 vs 7.5), but the SK is half the price.
Joel Curtin yes but your rail better have a lot of MOA at least 30 at the elevation adjustment or your rings are shimed up quite a bit but you are right high velocity and supersonic stuff is real accurate over a hundred yards I've seen some people shooting at 500 yards
ON TARGET THOM uncle sam just 20MOA gets you out beyond 300. I’ve gone as far as 500, but yes, I was holding way above the target.
I just did a LOT of shooting with my cousin this past weekend to test out the Ruger Precision Rimfire in 22lr and wanted to share a lot of data with everyone. These are 5 shot groups at 50 yards measured in inches center to center. The wind was light. The temp was about 64.
A group size with a * means a flyer was observed and counted in the measurement
Your results may vary. Enjoy!
Eley Club 0.36
Eley Edge 0.387
CCI Standard 0.421
CCI Mini mag 0.457
CCI SGB 0.503*
RWS Rifle Match 0.581
SK Pistol Match 0.591
CCI Velocitor 0.598
RWS Target Rifle 0.639
Eley Practice 0.64
Gemtech Silencer 0.677
Federal Gold Medal Match 0.691
CCI Stinger 0.703
*
Agulia Pistol Match 0.715
Agulia Super Extra 0.726
Agulia Super Extra 0.735
Fiocchi Performance 0.747
Agulia Target Competition 0.75
Winchester Super Suppressed 0.773
wolf match 0.803
Remington Thunderbolt 0.806
Eley High Velocity 0.833
Federal Hunter Match 0.864
Federal Champion 0.881
*
Federal Gold Medal Target 0.882
Federal HV Match 0.928
Eley Target 0.975
*
CCI Green Tag 1.056*
Agulia Sniper Subsonic 1.182
Magtech Standard 1.191
Federal Auto Match 1.193
Winchester Subsonic 1.202
SK Standard Plus 1.221
Armscor Gold color hollow 1.29
Winchester M22 1.303
CCI Select 1.331
SK Rifle Match 1.347
Geco Rifle 1.454
CCI Mini mag 1.467
Federal Black Pack 1.48
Federal Field & Range 1.487
Remington Viper 1.498
Eley Subsonic 1.507
*
CCI copper 1.654
Armscor Copper color hollow 1.727
CCI Segmented 1.842
Winchester Varmint HE 1.864
RWS Subsonic 1.905
Remington Yellow jacket 2.237
You put in a lot of work!
A bit of advice from a scientist, limit your results to 2 digits after the decimal . I sincerely doubt that you can measure to the thousanths of an inch of the separation between 2 holes with indistinct centers.
There are some real surprises in there, good & bad.
mine loves pistol king,
We're did you get all the different ammo from, can't hardly find anything
thanks!
One of THE BEST 22lr ammo comparison videos I've ever seen. Subbed. Cant understand how you only have 1.4k subs ??? Your dedication to detail & thoroughness is to be applauded. 👏👏
Thank you for the imput! i try to keep it consistent with the videos but improve the methods on each one. And its just fun to get out and shoot!
Love your presentation showing the groups after the fact without putting the viewer through every shot! Your summaries are perfect info. To make a decision for the viewer.
Thanks for watching. Yea the last thing YT needs is another dude shooting holes in paper and videoing it IMO.
Wow, one of the best .22lr ammo videos I have ever seen, thanks! Subbed
Thanks for watching man hope it helped
Today first shot with my RPR . 25m CCI Tatget st.velo. 40gr 1070fps --> 0.95cm group good! & Norma Target sucked spread and highright : cleaned out barrel in between 50rounds CCI then 30rounds NORMA ..... thx for the review guided me to my the first ammo for this rifle. NoRMA was mot on my list - a giveaway from the store.... but good to see similar results !
THANK YOU!!!!!!!! I can't say it enough, THANK YOU!
My pleasure thanks for watching
A suggestion for these types of accuracy videos. When you are shooting 10 round groups, I would allow for
operator or environmental (wind) error at least once. (I'm a mathemetician, throw out the best and worst, average the rest. I'm willing to live with leaving the best in since it would often be hard to pick out.) Throw out the worst flyer and post the results for a 9 round group. The CCI Standard for example would have been MUCH better.
Good Video! I like this kind of information.
Yeah I agree for sure! CCI STD vel works pretty well I was out shooting it yesterday. Thanks for the input!
Never throw out hits! Wind, flyier... doesn’t matter in a comp they count every round. You as a responsible shooter are responsible for every round you send down range.. this is why ammo testing and load testing is done for every specifics setup. Don’t discount a bad shot it’s part of the group.
@@fishrrelaxing9361 agreed
to be fair then. he would have to clean the rifle the exact same way every time and then allow the same number of flowing shots, along with 10 targets and pull out of the same box of 500 at random. then go to a indoor range as to cut out some X factors i guess strap the gun down as to reduce more X . but to say (X-brand) shoots the best is somewhat not fair as 22 rifles can be a bit picky. if one had suck time they could make a killer video.
@@coady-wp3xf such time and they key word there is "MONEY" LOL! if you're bored i narrowed it down to a few that did well and compared it against my 10/22. a little bit better info in there. i allowed for fouling rounds, so on. Thanks for the input.
A GREAT effort was a hard day of range, thanks for sharing, I think you missed AGUILA Sniper 60 grains
thank YOU
When you get right at the point of breaking the sound barrier then you start having group problems. Thats why the PMC at 910 FPS shot a good group, you gun barrel twist rate and the slower FPS works very well together. Once you get to around 1130 fps and above its a different story most of the time.
thats a myth thats been debunked several times. people rarely see destabilization passing through the transonic phase.
@@coreyd1474Can you post a video where it’s been debunked? I’m not trying to argue with you on this I just recently got into shooting 22LR and I’ve heard of this transonic stage
i would love to but i don't think you can post links. look up mark and sam after work. hes an assie that shoots extreme long range and he has a great video address things that fudds usually talk about like scope over bore height and transonic 22 destabilization. all comes down to who you going to listen to. some fudd on the internet who says his thunderbolts don't shoot well at 300 yards because transonic magic or a guy who consistently shoots 22's at 1000 yards with super sonic ammo.
@@Blackhawk556.
Man, I love your documentation, time and $ you spent on this. Thank you. Seems .22 rifles are notorious for being ammo sensitive. I prefer subsonic and suppressed so no earplugs. My son just went two/ten at a 20 gauge empty shotgun shell at 115 yds. Shooting from prone, Savage MKII, BSA Glass, and CCI standard subsonic. Winds were from 0 to 10 and changing directions. Went 5/5 on 6” gong at 200. Ran out of adjustment and was just using holdover (no dots or lines), so I am proud of it.
Thanks for watching and the input! i've been doing it for quite some time now ant it really is amazing how much of a difference it makes. Temperature too. Gotta love long range shooting with 22 for sure. i had a few of mine out to 450 the other day using cci std vel and still have a little left in the reticle.
I appreciate the time and effort you put into this video.....fantastic job.
thanks for watching!
Love the video and extremely thorough comparison. I’m surprised you didn’t try anything from Eley or the Federal Ultra Match but I understand trying to keep the cost down as low as possible. I tested 7 different ammos in my RPRR and found that it liked the Eley Tenex, Federal Ultra Match and Eley Edge best in that order. The CCI 40 gr standard velocity was a close match as well until I went out to 100 yds. That’s when the Tenex really separates itself from the others. Great video!
You'll have to check out the second part, I did several Eley types. I actually went ahead and bought 1000 force because it shot well. shot very well out to 350 i was getting .5 MOA groups with it at 200. Eley target shot super well too i'll get some more of that when it gets warm.Thanks for watching!
Seeing this thumbnail in early 2021 is the type of thing that infuriates me.
LOL same.
Me too
Nice summary. Norma TAC22 shoots very well in my RPR rifles. 8/10" 5 shot group at 100 yds. You have to clean the barrel and shoot a bunch of the Norma to acclimate the barrel to the waxy lube. It's that way with any of the bullets that have the soft lube.
I second Roland. My RPRR loves the TAC22's. I got a .76 group at 50 with them and they performed well last weekend out to 200 yards at a rimfire PRS comp. May be that gun to gun they like different rounds, but I'd definitely try this ammo in your RPRR.
thanks!
It's interesting that you can tell immediately when the video was shot by the price of the ammo. As soon as I heard $2.99 for a box of .22LR I knew it was pre-covid.
back inthe good ol days
@@coreyd1474 I saw it coming , my friend. I am fully stocked in 22LR. I will never pay 20 cents a round to plink.
@@timhallas4275 i have a ton of it as well but the majority of it is skrm and the other majority is center x so not exactly pinking ammo
@@coreyd1474 Yep, I still remember paying $9.50 for 100 rounds of CCI mini-mag and thinking I was being stupid. I remember getting 500 rounds of Armscore 40 grain, standard velocity (plinking ammo) for $20. In fact, I'm still plinking for 4 cents per shot, while others are paying 20 cents for the same thrill. It's never going to be anywhere what it was before 2020. You can horde what you bought, or just enjoy the fact that you can afford to shoot.
Man thanks for such an in-depth look into the world of 22LR ammo accuracy!
22 is a strange animal thats for sure.
Get a sharpie, write the purchase date on the box, it helps a LOT. I gave up trying to decode lot number dates a long time ago.
I just bought a bunch of ammo to mix into my collection- yours is a good idea. From here going forward I will know what I have. Some of my stuff is at least ten years old. I know, I need to shoot more!
@@kirkjohnson9353 I'm right there with you. I know I have stuff that is over 12 years old, I have had it since before my son was born, i have a pretty decent stockpile. Gonna start shooting everything without a date on it. Then buy the same amount I shot to replace it and put a date on it.
so 22s expire now is what youre saying?
@@coreyd1474 most modern powders are double base. If stored properly, cool dry place, they will be good for decades. However powders do degrade slowly over time. So while old ammo may function just fine it may lose velocity, consistency, and thus accuracy with age. So i put dates on my ammo and shoot the oldest ammo first to keep the freshest ammo available. You could try to look up and decode lot numbers on boxes, but its a royal pain. Writing the purchase date on the box is simple and easy.
Iv'e been using fed auto match from when it came out years ago!. Best groups for the money and get for $14 a box!.
definitely best. between that and cci standard velocity its hard to beat accuracy/price
I did a test like yours, but with only ten different brands and styles. My early 80's model 60 loved Federal match grade. Great video thanks.
Late to the party but great review.
Interesting that you found the Norma stuff to be inconsistent.
I usually use CCI subsonic is my RPR which runs a Wildcat Predator 12 suppressor and is almost silent, the thing is sub 1/2" groups but today i was using Norma subsonic and the groups were like buckshot out of an unchoked 12g.
Super inconsistent and each shot sounded different too as if the powder loads were varying.
i have never had any flafor of norma shoot well out of any thing i've tested it in. in all my shooting and testing if found stick to cci std vel, any type of sk, or cx and you'll be ok.
Part 1 (good video) Question; did you clean your barrel between your changing of ammo's - or did you acclimate your barrel with the next round of testing each ammo? Overall, you certainly put a lot of work into this, and thank you!!! Oh,,, .22lr Subsonic ammo is far more accurate at long range over the high velocity stuff - do to the no transition wobble from super sonic to subsonic...
so this was when i was just starting to get in to 22 so i wasn't as familiar with fowling and all that so in this video i just moved from one to the next. no fowling or cleaning. As far as sub/super i have noticed no tumbling with any supersonic round out to 450
@@coreyd1474 Try the Norma again and just shoot the whole box. 10 rounds usually for seasoning the barrel but I can shoot a lot and I care about accuracy after lots of shooting.
@@gordonv2456 yea doing this again knowing what i know now i would have allowed for some fowling rounds. this gun has been long long gone lol
Would have been nice to see you try Eley 10X, I used to get one quarter of an inch at 50m with a Sako .22
i'm not sure i've seen that type before.
Awesome job sir... This vid will save a lot of money from people buying .22!! Project Appleseed, I'm involved it this organization. This is perfect for us instructors to see...
Thanks for watching!
I've been testing a ton of ammo to see what works best for my rifles for Appleseed. This video was very helpful
@@jross13450 i've since replaced the barrel with an er shaw barrel. still shoots federal white box and eley target well. eley target is right at 1 moa at 100
Every gun has it's favorite shell . Find it and use it !
exactly
Didn't catch what distance you shot these at. Have you tried the CCI Copper? Lead free is required in CA for all hunting now. It's ok at 50 yards but terrible at 100.
these were at 50. no i didn't i think i only tried mini mag standard vel and green tag. green tag is awesome.
Lead free? Oh California.... :( I feel for you guys.
Surprised you dont have to put a fin grip on your rprf lol
Thank you CCI for the think customer attitude and filling the lead free nitch but this laments the fact that Kalifornia can and will screw up anything and everything.
"The two infinites.... the universe and human stupidity" Albert Einstein.
@@oldschool9932 I read somewhere that you have to replace the a2 device on ar style rifles with a compensator in kalifornia LOL that's how stupid they are. But get ready for kalifornia politics to come to the white House unfortunately 😔
WOW, you really went all out, you sir are excellent ! I subscribed just because of stumbling across this video. You showed facts not fiction and constantley stated "for your rifle on the day" well done and I can't wait to see more. Personally I shoot 300 win mag long range and 308win beyond what most would. You made me pull my .22 out of the safe and be excited !!
glad you enjoyed, thanks for watch.g
Nice review, my rprf doesn’t shoot very well, I have a marlin 795 that shoots tight groups with almost every ammo except the 60gr aguila and hyper fast ammo, pretty disappointed in my rprf, and I’ve tried 15-20 different types of ammo with it.
Thanks for watching! Yea that's a bummer. Sell it and buy one of the new CZs when they come out lol
A barrel swap would be a more cost effective route if you like the Ruger as there are a host of high-end barrel manufacturers that make all types of different barrels for the kit....if you like that chassis type configuration.
@@oldschool9932 To be honest with you it shoots a few types of ammo so well i'm not going to bother with it. maybe after a while if i notice significant accuracy degradation. what's the price on most of those barrels? just curious.
@@Mrjohnboy1965 honestly the only reason I put it on there is because it was laying around. I think it's a surefire pro comp but I took it off and put an actual 22 device on it from madmacs tactical. Doesn't seem to affect accuracy but it reduces recoil even tho 22 doesn't have much to begin with lol
@@Mrjohnboy1965 right! Hahahahaha and absolutely no recoil is neat too only problem is 22 is so dirty they get gunked up fast
This guys got some friggin sniper rifle uzi deluxe howitzer with a friggin grenade launcher on it and I’m over here with my friggin Winchester 190 I got for
120$ at bass pro shops
thanks for watching!
The SK and the Wolf are exactly the same ammo. They just change the outer box. The yellow SK is the Wolf Target and the Red box is the Wolf Match. You will get an occasional flyer out of both. Seems to be about 2 or 3 a box. The Lapua pistol king has a faster burning powder to get higher velocity out of pistol length barrels. The pistol loads tend to get really good standard deviations because all the powder gets burnt in a rifle barrel. They are kind of an "insider's secret" to getting match grade ammo a little less expensive. Works best in bolt guns because it burns hot and quick.
Thanks for the input! i have been out with the wolf a few times since then and it shoots very well. So does pistol king. but so far eley force has been the best out to 350 yards. Thanks for watching!
I've got the same RPR w/bipod & monopod, & most (~90%) of those same ammo types for trials .. it'll be interesting to see how we compare. I've watched twice but never heard you say what distance you ran your tests at. 50 or 100 yds?
@@acerlazereye1232 its at 50. i ended up ordering a bunch of eley force and it is awesome out to 350. i was able to get 1/2 moa groups at 200. surprised the shit out of me. thanks for watching thought!
Agree with your info...the other wolf match extra around 70 bucks per brick last i read is made in England by Eley. My gun likes the cheaper Wolf better.
@@j.l.8000 i think the MT is made in germany by lapua but i could be wrong. doesn't really matter. it doesn't shoot that well for me. especially past 50 yards.
I should make a video with my Norinco 522 it shoots just as good as this precision rifle! Great video thanks for sharing! ✌🏼😎👍🏼
not familiar with those but it sounds expensive lol
Federal Target Grade 40g works the best in my RPR too! Thanks for the confirmation and info. I also have the same issues with the junk ammo as noted. What was the distance for the test?
mine doesn't shoot it the best but as far as price/accuracy/availability its a winner hands down. mine after much more testing and more than 10 shot groups shoots eley target the best at 50 and eley force 50 to beyond 300. All these groups were at 50 yards BTW. Thanks for watching.
Unless you have a small bore match competition rifle ie. Anschutz, Walther, Feinwerbau etc, it is nor worth to try the highest end ammo like Eley Tenex or Lapua Midas. The ammo is optimized for 50 meters and is good for 100 meters but they produce the best results in match bolt action rifles that have a special tight chamber that engages the bullet into the rifling. The 22lr headspaces on the rim and one way to secure the most consistent ammo is to segregate it measuring the thickness of the rim (Champion Shooters Supply sells a gauge for about $5) thus insuring all cartridges have the same head space. Not important in a regular 22 but it is in a $4000.00 competition rifle if one is shooting for points in competition against small bore specialists with the same rifles and ammo. I have an Olympic match Anschutz that can shoot 1/4" from the bench with Eley, Lapua or SK at 50 meters and less than an inch at 100 meters but it has a 100 gram (3 oz) trigger with the lowest lock time possible and a 27 inch bull barrel and weighs 14 pounds. Accurate Shooter website has an article of 75 brands tested with a match rifle at 50, 75 and 100 yards with the results from best to worse. Interesting stuff. If you can match your rifle to the ammo it really likes, your golden and it seems you rifle can shoot several brands very well.
great info in this comment
Dude, this reminds me of the first gun video I put on TH-cam, great info and good shooting! Thanks for sharing
Hey gotta start somewhere LOL. thanks for watching!
Oh no! Federal bulk shot that bad out of your Ruger. I am shocked. Out of my 32 year old Bruno I have attained groups around the one inch, a little over a couple under at 100 meter from the bench. The scope on it is a Simmons 4-14 x 40. I had to remove the rear sight to fit that scope. Blazer also shoots well as do Federal solids. I guess i need to see what some of the more expensive rounds shoot like.
everyone loves blazer
I love these videos, the best thing to take away is buy a "buffet" of .22 and see which your rifle loves to eat. Thanks for such a complete reveiw
Yes I know it's a little expensive but buy 50 of whatever you can get your hands on. That's the best way so you don't have a ton of left over ammo your rifle doesn't like and a lot of it is expensive. Having said that my last two have liked most types of eley just fyi
thanks I think the CCI standard would be the winner , that being said every rifle shoots different thanks again
since i've replaced the barrel i'm definitely going to get another batch of standard velocity. also have a custom 10/22 i've almost got done. going to do a comparison video of the two. thanks for watching.
That's crazy that the Remington thunderbolt was so bad in your rifle. I've never had any bad results from that ammo. But with that being said I just picked up a Ruger precision and have not ran any through yet. It'll be interesting to see the results.
thunderbolt shoots like trash through any rifle i own but it doesn't really bother me. its cheap, works well out of auto loads and you can find it anywhere.
Exact same situation here. I pretty much exclusively use Thunderbolt in my M&P 15-22 as it has the least issues with magazine feeds, where I'm often running rounds through pretty quickly at ~25 yards. For a change of pace, I just picked up a Ruger Precision and was planning on trying out some other ammo types at longer ranges. This video is fantastic!
awesome awesome ammo comparison! very nice info :) liked!
Thanks brother! Can never have too much info!
This is at 100 yards right ?
Or 50 yards ?
Found the answer
All 50 yards till
The last group at 100
Yards
Yep 50.
yeh, I wish he would have said the range.
Just found your channel subbed after watching . Are you doing any kind of barrel maintenance between brands ? My Ruger likes the Norma match out of a clean bore but they're all different have never seen that Federal target in NE Ohio but I'm gonna look harder. Have had decent results with
Eley/ Remington target also......Thanks for the info.
No not in between ammo. I'll run a snake through it after a day of shooting but i'm usually pressed for time or the weather has been shit and i don't feel like spending more time outside than i have to. I did end up buying 1000 more eley force and its been awesome. super consistent even all the way out to 350 yards. I've got 1/2 moa groups with it at 200 yards. Anyway, thanks for watching glad i could help.
@@coreyd1474 The reason I inquired about barrel maintenance Norma ,Eley , And many other competion grade brands use a wax base bullet lubricant especially during cold weather shooting you may experience a build up of this lube on your barel lans that may cause rotation/ stabilization issues.
Also a buildup of this lube can cause pressure deviations resulting in vertical strings..........just sayin
@@pinslayer4579 yea I know..I just figured the average user isn't going to take the time to "cleanse" the barrel of previous fowling they'll just throw it in and expect it to perform.
16:12 you say 20” barrel? Do you not have a factory barrel? Mine is only 18”
No it's 18. Sorry
Thats awesome Corey.Lets get together and shoot sometime, and set some cameras up.
Yea for sure! i'm ready! kannon said you may have a place to stretch out to 1000 yards.
With my ruger percision its completely different than yours. Mine hates aguila and loves the cci standard at all yardage. I have been testing using match grade and have yet found one better than cci standard.
after this i had cci std vel out a few times and it shot it pretty well actually! its great stuff for the price.
I'd like to confirm my Precision Rimfire also loves the federal white box. Which is great because my 10/22 Target does too! Both right around 1moa on a calm day
Nice! Gotta love it when it shoots the cheap stuff well
Hello Corey D.
I have the same 22. I once read some thing from a Utube man called STKO. He was pointing out a problem with 10 22's where the bolt harms the first round ( I think thats' what he meant).
I notice that my bolt really scars the round if it is closed with the mag in before the first shot.
I now see that you always have the bolt back when putting in the mag.
Is this a rule with skilled shooters? I am very new to shooting.
Please. Jimmy D.
its not necessarily just the bolt that causes scaring on the round a lot of it has to do with the way its fed from the magazine. thats why you see the super accurate rifles (vudoo, rimx, cz, tikka, bergara) have a feeding system where the round never touches the chamber. it definitely has an impact on accuracy if its a large mark on the round.
I like the Federal target grade $18.99 per 325, they are a clean and reliable round for a great price (around these parts) but my favorite (not even in your video) are the (Walmart exclusive) Federal red box (fed reds) @ $19.94 per 550, you just cant beat this price per the amount of rounds, these actually look polished! 36gr. copper plated h/p 1260 fps and any copper plated bullet helps prevent fouling in the barrel after the round is fired! I like these not so much for my Ruger 10/22 rifle but my Ruger SR-22 handgun, it eats anything I put in it but I like these two rounds for the reasons mentioned. I can remember when the Thunderbolts ruled (pricewise) the market even as dirty and unreliable as they are but now you pay an extra $10 to spend an extra 10 minutes washing your hands when you get back from the range! Awesome video, thanks for showing the differences in these loads!
I totally agree. White box federal price/availability/accuracy they're hands down the best. my only gripe about bullets going as fast as you said the red feds are going is 22 doesn't handle the transonic face well so thats why you don't get the accuracy out to distance as you would something in the sweet spot around 1090 or so. Anyway, thanks for the input and thanks for watching!
@@coreyd1474 when it comes to hunting (squirrel) where distance plays into it, I haven't really had any instances that comes to mind where I have taken a shot out far enough to see that discrepancy that I wasn't totally willing to put on me (usually the 2nd shot does the trick) not the ammo, and as for my pistol I'm only shooting 15' out to maybe 45' where that wouldn't even come into play, or at least I haven't noticed, shooting AR 500 and they go clank every time...lol . that's probably why I haven't noticed what you pointed out...thanks for the info....one thing I can say is that with my Crosman TR-77 air rifle .177 using PBA pellets I'm going sonic because I can hear the crack and it sounds like a 22! and I get good...(ok decent) accuracy with them out to 25 yds.
@@Frank-uf2vn yea for game the faster the better totally. i know people get alll worked up about shooting stingers out of the rprf but i've shot almost 100 with no issue. thats a screaming load. bad thing about those is you have to wear hearing pro.
Federal target grade from Academy sports bulk pack is the pooooopppppppp
definitely awful.
Just got my ruger, haven't shot it yet. I had to buy a bunch of ammo before the online ammo ban in California before I even got the rifle. There's only one local gun store & they know it & have crazy double & 3x priced ammo. I got cases of Aguila and some type of semi auto tactical ammo.
Nice! Fuckin kakifornia. Maybe get some eley target and some CCI standard velocity. Mine shoots both of those pretty well. Check sgammo . Com
Found this 2 years late. It is the best .22lr ammo video I've watched. Love it!
hope it helped! thanks for watching
18 minutes into the video you finally mention you were shooting at 50 yards!!
Hey, all these were at 50 yards 🤣🤣🤣 thanks for watching?
Yes I just started watching the video and i was waiting about 15 minutes for yardage to come into play and I just decided to start scrolling through the comments lol
Thanks man. I was wondering if these were 100 yards or 50 yards. Holy crap it was frustrating watching this without knowing the distance these shots were taken at!! Thanks for saying that!
I'm surprised your norma tac 22 and match 22 didn't work for your rifle. it also explains why the rws target didn't work either since they are the same ammo. i think rws makes the ammo for norma. the headstamp on the norma is the same as rws and i think the match 22 is the same as rws yellow box. i do biathlon with those ammo's and seem to be ok. indoors from 50m i've got pretty good groupings using the iron sights.
honestly i've tried the same norma stuff out of my last 3 rifles and none of them shot it well. maybe its just me lol
Those bullets are all slightly different diameter, lighter than 40 gr I avoid.It is the bullet diameter your gun likes or dislikes.
each rifle is totally different.
Are you noticing the trend, all the FPS rounds are at or just under 1130 FPS... Your Gun likes the 900 to 1100 FPS range. ( :
yea 1080 seems to be the sweet spot.
Hey dude. Thanks for the info. I just recently got a RPRR and I love it. I've been trying to find good ammo for it and this video helps me alot.. greatly appreciated. Hope all is well ✌🏻
thanks so much for watching. just hope it at least helps steer you in the right direction! good luck.
Funny how different .22 rifles like different ammunitions. My CZ 455 loves the Norma TAC and Norma Match (1/2" groups at 50 and 1" groups at 100yds) and when suppressed the Aguila SV. Another good, cheap ammo is the CCI standard velocity target ammo. Good video dude, lot of work. Thanks for sharing. BTW, don't refrain from pushing that ammo on out to 200 yards, even the sub sonic stuff.
22 really is a strange animal. i think that why people love it so much?
Funny... your experience with the Rem Thunderbolt through your RPR was the EXACT same as mine. I've always been a fan of the Federal, CCI, or Winchester stuff for plinkimg, because it WORKS. Rem ammo has always been trash for me. Dunno where/why I even got that last box. My son was shooting my 10-22 that day, so I just handed him the box of Rem why I tested other stuff in my RPR. But it absolutely hated the Rem stuff. I got sauib loads and stuck cases as well. I think that Rem rimfire is trash and the most inconsistent ammo available. They really should stop making that garbage. Their centerfire stuff has always been fine for me.
do they even still make it? i don't even recall seeing it on shelves or online but i guess that could be due to the ammo shortage. either way i don't care. i'd take it for free but thats about it.
My current preferred 22lr at 50 and 100 yards is SK Long Range AFTER I have used a Neal Waltz resizing die on the ammo. The die does two things that I identify as improving the precision (no, I have no targets to demonstrate). One, resizing ensures that for 360 degrees the 22lr driving rings are a consistent 0,225 in., and two, that the rings are 0.225 in. to ensure positive contact with the rifling grooves. Someone noted in the comments "remove the wax" from the SK 22lr ammo. SK does not use a wax lube; a light oil is used as with all German manufactured 22lr's that I have experience with. CCI and Eley 22lr use a wax
i'll have to look in to that resizing die.
Would like to see if you can get a hold of a Savage Mark II TR ( the one with a 22" heavy barrel ) and see what the difference is. It is a great bench rifle. Here we can not get the ammo you can but using what I can get it seems to shoot tighter groups. at 50yd. and amazing at 30 and 40. where I mostly shoot. Using CCI standard can completely cover a five shot group with a dime, (5/16" center to center) on a good day. And have shot five groups of five all under 1" in one sitting. Would like to see some one who is a better shot, shoot the Mark II and think they can improve on this. At 75 not the eyes I use to be. As soon as the weather warms up, going to try to get out and shoot a lot more, hoping to improve and get all groups close to or under 3/8". Did pick up a better scope but have not even got a chance to sight it in yet. Weather not good lately.
if i can get ahold of one i will certainly test it out!
Late comer to comments...Great comparison. My personal experience with the Federal Automatch(Walmart purchase) has been less than ideal. Out of several different firearms, have had approximately 8-10% 'duds'. Good pin strikes on the rims but failure to fire. Not sure if a Walmart issue and their storage conditions or a Federal issue and just a bad lot. Your testing may get me to buy some more(but not at Walmart). The CCI standard target velocity has been a fantastic all around ammo for our youth shooting sports groups(Smallbore pistol and rifle, Western Heritage) Thanks-
better late than never! i'm sure with the automatch just like anything post 2020 the quality has gone down and the price has gone up. to be honest im not ever sure i've shot it recently just get a few bricks or so everytime i see it on the shelf to avoid not having any in the next shortage.
JUST an wood chuck and squirrel shooter here mostly, but if you are to go through all this analysis, WHY WOULD YOU GO SHOOT in Unstable, undesirable wind conditions as you did at 100 yards.. ANY statistician would advise against it as it really skews the data. Also, I would suggest you ALWAYS take out the greatest outlier whether man error or ammo error or conditions error. Statistically, it makes more sense in judgment/comparison, but to also note WHICH ammo had the least significant outliers.
thanks for watching
Great video gave me some good info on what to feed my Ruger Precision .22R ,only thing that puzzles me is the Norma TAC22 ammo in my custom rifle I built its a Brownells BRN-22 receiver with a TAC SOL barrel bedded in a Boyds stock , Nikon P Tactical 2-7 with Norma TAC it shoots .71 at 50yds -
any flavor of norma hasn't shot well for me for some reason.
I'm in my 60s and at one time back in the 1980s PMC ammo was a common Eco-brand. I have found that PMC Target is very accurate from Ruger Mark IIs as well. I'm talking .25" diameter , not ctc, 10 shot groups at 44 feet (length of my basement range) from a sandbag rest. If you can find it, buy it.
IF you can find it. i have been seeing cci standard velocity in stock pretty regularly but for the covid prices.
Thanks for going to so much trouble and expense to test all these different kinds of ammunition and provide an overview of so many results. Kudos. I realize this video is four years old now and from your description it sounds like you have made a number of upgrades since that time. I don’t mean to be critical, although this is a critical comment, referring to the equipment in this video I’m afraid your rifle is just not very accurate. Hopefully with the upgrades you described you found better accuracy with a number of different kinds of ammunition.
hard to hate on the rprf for what it costs IMO. it's an entry level rifle for people looking to get in to the prs/nrl sport and i think it is a pretty darn good one.
The effort here was great. I just can’t take these results as final for determining what type of ammo I should buy because I got different results with Norma tac 22 and CCI standard velocity. I managed to get a 5 shot group of 0.17” at fifty yards with CCI sv out of my Ruger precision rim fire
Norma shot better than what you got as well
I get it. Every rifle is different so buy each and see which one your rifle likes.
this isn't an end all be all. just a guide more or less for shooters just getting in to the sport that i can maybe help them narrow down their choices.
@corey..... man.. I have a question for u......
how you shoot in your ruger standard velocity ammo.. an then high velocity?
with cci standard at 100 yard I have a 7/8 group... when I go with cci high velocity 36gn ... group spread at 1 inch but at least 8 inch high... * I don't have any more adjustment in my scope to sight in better..
any advise? I mount a Tasco 6 x18 50mm but I guess my 30moa base is too much?
22s traditionally shoot subsonic more consistant than HV and thats out of almost every gun. i have had a few types that performed ok like federal white box and eley force. my advice is if you're just shooting for fun stick with subsonic. no 30moa isn't too much.
As it is typical for manufacturers to shorten their less expensive ammo by a couple thousandths in order for it to operate better in most all semi-autos, it appears the only ammo your Ruger likes is the higher end 'full-length' ammo, meaning, I'd have a real gunsmith check your headspacing and perhaps tighten it up a 1/1000 or so. Doing so should show a marked improvement in all groups, maybe you'll begin seeing one-hole groups with RWS & equiv.
thanks for watching
Corey D my congratulations for the quality of your work! I have one Ruger precision.22lr, please let me understand what's the best subsonic lead ammo for targeting between 50 and 100 meters??? Tks from Italy
normally people have the most consistent luck with lapua center x or any flavor of sk. can't go wrong with those.
Wow I'm so glad you made this video. I've been looking at other 22lr ammo videos trying to figure out what ammo is best for my rifle. I have the same rifle I use for hunting. You also went through a very sufficient variety of ammunition others fail to go through. I now will be buying Aguila super extra 40 grain, fiocchi and cci standard velocity. Thank you.
Glad i could help you out! Happy shooting!
Liked your test very much, great speaking voice, great rifle much better than most of the ammo you put through it, some fishing weights in that lot, do you have access to ELEY ammo? This would bring your groups in really tight at 50 yards and very respectable at 100 Yards!
Thanks again for a very good test! Some prices were robbery!
thanks for watching! i have tried a few types of eley and most of them work well.
When changing ammo types, were u Is reacklamating the barrel to each new type of bullet before shooting for groups? 22s really need a good 15-20 rds of each type of ammo through the barrel to reacklamate the barrel to that ammo. U will usually see a big increase in accuracy once u do so. U will also most likely see a difference in results if u were to redo the test in warmer temps with no snow and less wind. Im glad u actually chrono'd each of them, most other people just give u what the box advertises for velocity.
i did this when i very first started getting in to 22s and you're right about the fouling rounds. howver.... if you're going from like ammo such as sk to cx only a few MAYBE 5 rounds max is all you need for fouling. but if you're going from something coated to something non coated you're right more rounds would be needed. thanks for the input!
Man I have a 300 dollar air venturi avenger air rifle that at 50 yards will group with the absolute best 22 ammo out of that ruger "precision" I guess its probably due to the nature of 22 lr ammo just being sucky overall. Kind of disappointing. Want a ruger prf but I might as well stick to the pcp rifle.
well thats not exactly apples to apples. the reason air rifles are so accurate is because you can regulate almost the exact same amount of air pressure per shot. i've seen guys have 1 sd per 20 rounds but its the nature of 22 for sure. i've always wanted to get an air rifle but don't want to really spend money on the tanks to fill it.
Just when I thought you were done they kept on coming. 😁 Great video. Great information. Thanks! Subscribed.
thanks for watching!
I'm having trouble seeing the difference between the Aguila Super Extra 40gr at 1:20 (second type tested on day 1) and the Aguila Super Extra 40gr at 9:11 (first type tested on day 2).
a lot of it looks and shoots the same minus some being super and sub.
Federal Auto Match @ 22.99 .."it's probably cheaper than that now" Plot twist.. July 2020 and now it's $24.99-29.99 around me, and that's if I can even find it
i haven't bought it for a while but thats disappointing
If you or anyone you know has .22lr ammo they don't want lmk and I'll take it. Reason still testing out my Marlin 795 to see what it's like best. Ty best info on the video.
Where's the best place to get a percesion rifle like what you're using without breaking the bank?
really just depends on how much you're wanting to spend. euro optics has sales on high end stuff pretty regularly. i was going to get my tikka t3x tac a1 from them but found it in stock some where else.
I would be disappointed in that rifle more then the ammo! I got two Marlins that will out shoot that Ruger any day of the week! I paid $80 for my first rifle and $150 for a green laminated stock with a SS barrel. Marlin 60. Get one!
What state you live in?
Dude real talk I bought almost 1000 rounds of the federal value thinking it would be decent ammo. Hahahaha hell no. 1 in 10 rounds will not fire. About 4 in 10 are to weak to cycle my gun. And the rest are half and half all over the place. You can hear the difference almost every other round will sound louder or less loud. I will never buy federal 22lr again.
damn they must have gone the way of everything else in america post 2019 and gone to shit! i bought a few boxes the other day i'll have to try it out to see if they're shit for me too
I'm reading that all of Ruger's Precision rifles have standard 10/22 chambers. If true, why would Ruger hobble a 'precision' rifle from the 'get go' by doing this?
thanks for watching
You don't need that 17.99. Someone being greedy... was looking for Remington 22LR Supersonic Hollow Point...
good luck finding anything now from someone who isn't price gouging. i've seen up to 3x normal price
What makes ammo get good groups is the fit to the barrel, imparting the twist by proper fit from the lands and grooves stabilizing the bullet in flight . This is why some ammo seems to work better than others in certain barrels for no reason, it has to do with the fit of a particular ammo . If the bullet is a little loose it doesn't get the right amount of twist to stabilize in flight , this is why a Guy will say " I only run a certain brand and type of ammo in my rifle. Check Each bullet width with a gauge to see what variation are present and which are more accurate in your rifle.
ok
u should take the norma tac ammo and shoot it at
100 yards, weird cuz all the ammo u liked at 50 yards sucked for me at 100 yards lol except the sk and wolf.... i don’t shoot my rifle at 50 unless i’m sighting in.... i’ll shoot whatever’s on sale lol all those shots are a dead varmint at 50 or one hundred yards anyhow, when my club has a shoot i’ll go to the higher end stuff, but a lot of the cheaper stuff shoots better at one hundred yards than the expensive lupua.....
i do these at 50 mostly because thats where i zero AND its the place i have available to shoot the most. i'm going to do another video at 100 when i can find a calm day.
Subsonic work better past about 75 yards because they don’t destabilize and never get the wobble from the transition from super sonic to sub sonic, I also find the savage mark 2 TR a more accurate gun and a little less expensive.
Yea no doubt. I normally use CCI standard velocity when I shoot 450+ works great.
What height is your rings and what size is your scope ? I got a 17HMR in RPR coming in and i got a 2.5-12x40 1 inch tube and i dont know what height of rings i need
to be 100% honest i can't remember its been so long. it looks like its a 44mm objective so probably medium height rings. i know its a diamonback tactical with vortext tactical rings. so probably under 1 inch height.
Did you mention the distance for each group? 25 yards? 50 yards? 75 yards? 100 yards? I quit watching because without that info the result are not very useful for me.
if you scroll down literally one mouse roll you'd see the answer to your question so your comment is not very useful to me
i am REALLY surprised that your cci standard and cci minimags got the same velocity. the standards are supposed to be subsonic but for some reason your box was not.
quality control who knows. charging more for a worse product
Perhaps you could shoot a couple DE-fouling shots before each test with the ammo to be tested. Some of those wild first flyers may be eliminated. (Someone else probably said this but I did not read all 438 comments.)
Yea at this time i was new to being serious about 22. my new videos (if you care to watch them) i allow for 25 fowling rounds for each ammo tested. Thanks for watching!
Didn't notice... but were Armscor 22LR ammo available for testing? Standard, subsonic, or HV?
i don't think i had any
Hi. I know you said you'd go with Federal Target Grade all day long. But that's round nose. What about hunting ammo please? Which one is the best for hunting?
i would go with stingers for hunting.
Hey u ur paper says the winchester was 38 grain and the box u show was 40 grain I'm curious to know if that was just a mistake or u was shooting cheaper ammo bc ten dollars for a 100 isnt cheap at all for 22lr
Without going back though and watching it I think it was a plastic 100 pack of Winchester 38gn if I remember I shot two types of Winchester.
You would of impressed me it you were doing this at a 100 yards ...Your right your accessory can very from one manufacturer to another ..
sorry i couldn't impress you. i'll do better next time :0
the Lapua, RWS R50, RWS R100 is all supposed to be used in those single loading match/olympic bolt actions, where a 1mm group improvment is a big deal. This ammo was never supposed to be used in bolt actions or semi autos anyways.
all the stuff thats too expensive for us normal folk to buy anyway lol
@@coreyd1474 once you have a bit of wind the advantage of the olympic grade ammo is gone. Also match grade ammo is loaded with less power, so for 100m shooting for me the 36gr CopperHPs are the better choice since they have a flatter trajectory
Tks for information. I love ammo test
thanks for watching.
I have a semi auto 22 cal MP40 - I went to a local gun store and all they had to sell was ammo that didn't cycle for my weapon - Can you recommend 22 LR ammo that has a reputation for good cycling?
normally anything high velocity will be more reliable. i'd give some flavor of high velocity a try.
Accuracy can depend on the rifle you are using. An expensive rifle doesnt mean more accuracy. Try all this ammo with a different rifle, different bore to match the bullets, can bring different results.
right. my 6k rimx shot like shit. no better than this
Over 4 days? It's hardly a comparison. Just a guy shooting a bit differnt ammo. Period. It has no scientific value.
your comment has no scientific value
guns can be fickle, if one brand doesn’t work well in semi autos another will. They all work good in bolt, lever, break, pump action and revolver.
*22* guns mostly.
Awesome vid bro!
Can’t say that enough.
Thanks. I try to make videos with info I'm looking for because I figure others are looking for the same thing
Nice video, great work. I was looking for the Remington Yellow Jacket, but I think it's pretty rare up there in the US?
to be honest i've had it for years and years. no clue where i got it lol
Awesome I personally love both the lapua and the wolf ammo can consistently hit a golf ball a 150 yards no issue works great
yea i like wolf too although i haven't looked for it since this video. probably aren't allowed to buy it anymore since it has a scary name.
The thunderbolts are horrible but surprisingly they do pretty good in a shorter barrel Marlin m99 carbine . I've squirrel hunted with them .
accuracy would be one thing but the "almost" squib loads that happen regularly worries me.