NRL/PRS Rimfire Rifles (Beginner to Full Custom) CZ455, CZ457, B-14R, Vudoo 360
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- Looking at precision rimfire rifles from entry level to full blown custom! CZ455, CZ457, B-14R, Vudoo 360. Lets see how they stack up at 50 yards for a base line against each other and just go over the thought process of how and why I made the changes I did.
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All those guns are capable, 22 rimfire competition is no joke, best thing is that you can enter a match with any of those guns stock and compete! Firm believer in practice, speed drills, breathing, positional shooting, and knowledge of the environment that effects a match. Best thing is everyone at every match I have ever attended helped me out. Thanks for your video! It is a great sport and with guys like you promoting your experience it helps the sport.
Thanks man I appreciate the kind words. Practice, is so key and to your point you can be a top competitive shooter with anything on this list. The beautiful thing about Rimfire is that everyone has to shoot factory 22lr ammo.
Makes sense, I think i will go CZ 457 Varmint. Thank you Kirk.
@@Thomas-vt7cz I am selling stuff to buy the same gun
My cz457 American sport contour barrel (20”) shoots the SK long range ammo so well. At 50 yards it’s 10 shot groups inside a dime and right at 1MOA at 100yards. I only hunt with it so that’s more then good for me but I definitely appreciate these prs builds and what they are capable of!
One year ago I bought a Bergarra b14 r carbon fiber. I modified for Benchrest which I shoot due to handicapped.
I used it for 6 months. I immediately searched for a used custom Benchrest rifle. I bought a used full custom 40 x rimfire Benchrest rifle. Used it for several months. Now I'm having Speedy Gonzales build a rifle using my 40 x action. Bought a Shilen Ratchet barrel,a McMillan Edge stock . He is doing the stock work, chambering the barrel and adding a new Jewel trigger.
My advice. Wait till you have the money and buy a custom from the start. It will cost less in the last ng run. Ps. My second scope is a Sightron SIII SS 45 by 45. Sfp. Perfect for Benchrest. Good video. Thanks
Great video, really enjoy your channel, started with b14r, then cz457 mdt chassis lilja barrel, now vudoo v22, the rabbit hole is deep
Indeed, I followed the same rabbit, then you stumble into the scope glass rabbit hole, I just went with a Leica prs 5-30x56 from a midas tac
It is deep and I still haven’t found the bottom!
What made you switch from the B14r? Mine is putting them through one hole at 50, with SK match. TriggerTech diamond trigger is amazing.
Hey Chris I have cz455 and I use to shoot archer competition and I used the limb saver on my bows and I got one of those for my 455 it shoh really good but when I put that thing on my little 455 you would not believe how much it tighten up really did the trick. You
Ammunition is everything. Really helpful past one hundred yards. My b14 is crazy accurate. Sk center x.but your voodoo is next level. Thanks for the video.
I have a 455 CZ trainer with a twenty inch heavy barrel. Manners rifle stock. Installed a lighter spring and EGW 20 MOA rail. Today I have a Riton Conquer 7 3-18x50 rife scope being delivered today for my CZ. I just sold my last Arken SH4 scope yesterday. The glass wasn’t that great. I actually use to own four of them. I really like the turrets. I have two Arken EP5 models. That aren’t going anywhere. The glass is so much nicer. I don’t compete. So I’m not worried about having to stay with in the rules. That Vudoo is sweet.
Thanks for taking us on your journey. I appreciate learning from others experience.
New sup here, just really getting into 22LR. iv been shooting big bore guns but there’s just something about a good shooting 22LR. I got a Ruger precision with a vortex venom 5x25x56 and having a blast getting my kids into it!
On a comparison video like this I always see the comments about how the groups shot by the higher dollar custom rifle is not that much better than the stock cheap rifle.
What people are failing to understand is most all decent .22lr rifles can shoot fairly well and acceptable at 50 yds and some even do decent at up to 100 yds.
You are paying for the consistency and more repeatable performance at up to the 100 yd mark with the much tighter tolerances of the custom rifle build and beyond a 100yds is where the custom owns most factory rifles and really starts to shine and show its superiority.
For my use something like a Bergara B14R with possibly a decent trigger upgrade and maybe glass that could be caught on sale for around a $800-$1000 is about the max I could even try to justify but I still enjoy the precision that is put into some of the custom builds shown in different you tube videos even though they are way above what I can afford.
great video you told my story about the same guns. did have a Tika between the 455 & 457.
Ive got my first prs match tomorrow. Using a upgraded ruger 10/22 with ksa bull barrel and a arken 6-24 scope.
The last 22 I bought is an old Schultz and Larson single shot target rifle. Boy can that rifle shoot.
Started with a Rem 513T then progressed to a Bergara B-14R carbon barrel. I pulled that barrel and put on a Bartlein MTU and a barrel I made here in the shop (spoiler alert) mine shoots better. Now i'm going the other way. I don't shoot PRS and nothing is beating the Anschutz 54s and Win 52s at 100 yards. So, i just bought an Anschutz 54 Match and i'm setting it up with a scope and a Walther UIT Special Match set up with dipopter sights. Sometimes the old ways and rifles are the best way.
I’m surprised that Tikka Didn’t get a nod . I’ve competed against others with vudoo and begarra. And have been more than capable of holding my own to include winning . Also like many others my custom 10/22 with summit precision barrel has been an excellent performer with a stock receiver . Another rifle worth mentioning which has to be the best bang for the buck os a SAVAGE MKii Fvs. Is surprisingly accurate and super affordable
You 100% correct the only reason I didn’t touch base on those is simply that I don’t own any of them. I have been looking for a tikka and 10/22 to add to the stable
Not a fan of the carbon wrapped barrels. You will not get better accuracy out of it compared to a bull barrel. The only thing your getting is weight savings and in most comp shooting you want the weight. carbon barrels may be good for squirrel hunting or if your packing the rifle for a hiking trip or something.
Based on the group from them high dollar rifle I think I’ll just stick with my Ruger RPR rimfire with the E.R. SHAW 18” match barrel. Shot a .186 5shot group @ 50yrds and has never grouped .7 or over at the same distance. All In at around $1350
Love your channel big guy!
I’m thinking about a new barrel for my rpr, my factory one is a picky sob.
Same here but I put a Lilja on mine
@@terrypurcell7039 Did you see Lila barrel money improvement?
@@midwest_long_range I put the ER Shaw barrel on mine and I could not be happier! I shot a .186 five round group at 50 yards and consistently shoot .3 to 7 With all standard velocity ammo With the occasional inch to an inch And 1/2 groups.
James w moody it depends on how you value your group sizes $250 will get you 1 inch groups $1000 plus will get 1/4 inch groups and smaller. I shoot mine suppressed with the Lilja at first I was not impressed but now that I have a little more than 400 down the tube I’m happy with it I live on the prairie of North Dakota where the wind is never under 10 mph so getting 1/4 and under is a fantastic day on the range in our book up here
Great stuff Chris! One of your best one yet in my opinion. =)
Thank you I appreciate that.
Well, my RPR is sitting on my table getting a few final tweaks and cleaning. Yup. My Vortex Viper atop the factory rail. I’m seriously wanting that 457 but can’t decide which iteration. Looks like the AT One or Pro Varmint.
I messed that comment up so if you want to try that limb saver for your 455 it really worked by the way I believe you show what you shoot and I don't think everyone does that but keep on keeping on
And it still has to do a lot with the conditions and who is behind the trigger meaning some days you can do great and then others not so much. Yes custom can help but we are human. You have some nice rifles and good luck in your pursuit.
You are 100% correct some days nothing goes right no matter how nice the rig is.
I went to the range yesterday, first time in a few years seeing my 82 year old dad. He did some spotting for me and helped with wind calls, which was pretty rough as the winds were swirling down a canyon and roughly 20 mph, I only shot 100 rounds but had a great time with my pop, the conditions were horrible but he was impressed with my wind reads, nothing beats hearing you dad say "impact"
I am greatly enjoying your videos! I am looking to start precision rimfire this year. I grabbed an RPR and an Arken SH4 Gen 2 with Magpul BiPod. The RPR was where I landed due to needing an ridiculous length of pull. I see so many crazy accessories and such for this sport that it seems like it turns into more of an $$ driven arms race as it progresses. All in all I am looking forward to competing. I do look at the CZ's at my local shop all the time ;) Subbed!
Thanks for checking out the channel! You are definitely correct I think in the last year there has been so many new products offered for the sport that folks “myself included” have gotten carried away but I know I have been try to focus on more fundamentals lately and I hope the sport move back that direction as a whole
That last flier sounds like a hot one. I played it back again, same thing, hot.
Agreed.
This was a well made tutorial!
Thanks
Thanks for the video and education
Thanks you for checking it out! I got a video coming for you in a couple of weeks! Bringing out the granddaddy CZ!
@@midwest_long_range Now that is going to be awesome I am sure waiting with bated breath
Great Vid,Rimfire is one DEEP rabbit hole, spend the dollars on the rifle then the ammo is so inconsistent you spend just as much in the swear box..😂👍
Absolutely!
You got that right brother I got 22 ammo that I will never shoot but I think I have found the best one after trying fifteen different ammos that would be center x it does the best in all my rifles.
Beagleman
The Arken is 30% off right now. This is an great video
Thanks man. The Arken with 30% off is a great value.
Hey thanks for making this video. I have decided as of today that I'm going to try this 22lr competition. Kinda new to firearms but I had a 22 as a child an miss it.
No problem, glad to here your gonna join the sport
Love how your shirt matches your American rifle. 🤭💙
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Great Informative Vid.....thanks for sharing mate. Tony Melbourne Australia
Thanks!
Great comparison video. Did you use a different types of ammunition on different guns.
I know I had to test around 20 different types of ammunition before I found out what my Ruger RPR liked the best.
I’ll stick with my out of the box CZ MTR with a F1 race Timney trigger. lol
B14 looks like the winner!!!
It all depends on how consistently accurate you want to be.
It seem like that flyer on the Voodoo was a lot louder shot. Maybe it was a ammo issue.
THANK YOU CHRIS , GREAT VIDEO ...!!!!!
Thank you sir!
@@midwest_long_range LIKE ALWAYS, GREAT VIDEO..!!!! KEEP PULLING THE TRIGGER ON THESE GREAT VIDEOS ...!!!! DOUBLE G. HERE ...!!!!
My 10/22 does nickel groups at 100 yards with Eley Ammo…. It’s not stock, it’s 90% KIDD and Victor Company Stock with a Vortex Viper PST.
Congrats
great video , today i read about ( broken bolts ) in bergaras and now i listen from you , but i see a 3 great groups from bergara and makes the job harder for vudoo , and the 2 shots after issue opens a bit but touch each other , i see the tour factory in bergara factory and the shillen barrells makes a good work , but in spain in the past in air rifle world the gamos , noricas is low quality than german stuff ( weirauch , diana ( who made in germany) ) i have a cz 457 mtr for bench rest 50 with sightron s2 , bkl mounts , yo dave kit and i need to work much more , but i think in buy a trigger and a tunner and better read the wind .... i dream in built my rifle to , i not know if a vudoo v22 single shot competes with a turbo action , greats from portugal.
Thanks for watching! I think the vudoo is competitive with the turbo in single shot based on what I’ve seen
Begara looks good for the $$
Good job.
25:55, you said "Oooohhh", exactly when i did.
LMAO well sometimes it just works out
@@midwest_long_range Hey, Im contacting Desert Precision now to get one built.. Will see how it goes. Im bypassing upgrading. Im just starting at UP.
@@cliffcox7643 I don’t blame ya it saves a tone of money lol
I love to shoot percision rimfire I have three 457 an at-one and vp mtr manners stock and a factory wood stock mtr target I don't compete but I try to shoot 3to4 times a week at the target range and I am like you what I shoot is what it is believe that you do shoot well
Beagleman
Thanks sir.
I'm buying a 457 MTR tomorrow morning for $550, new. I won't sleep a wink.
Nice!
Looks to me the Bergara has it hands down
It holds its own.. we will test it more in upcoming videos
I gotta ask because I'm a total newbie to any kind of precision rimfire shooting. Why are semi-autos not used in precision shooting?
I'd like to see a class of "precision" shooting where you are limited to one brand/model rifle, same scope and everyone loads from one box of bulk ammo. Purely for low dollar fun and bragging rights. Does something like this exist?
Oh that sigh was one of them well shit I spent a ton of money anyway😂
Good way to test the accuracy out of those rifles. Put those pasties on a flag. That way you have an excuse for why they are shooting like crap.
By the way my barrels have been cut to 20” and 19”
im kindoff stuck with my stock ruger rpr, performs well with the right ammo at 50m, at a 100 it starts to open up.
Nice shooting bud
Thanks
Amigo, a coronha da quele rifle Anschutz 1712 Custm Silhouette, é feito de qual material?
begera at 50 yards what bullets
Здравствуйте. Что вы можете сказать о винтовке CZ-452 varmint? У нее не совсем правильная посадка в ложу. Сильно ли это влияет на ваш взгляд?
I really enjoyed this breakdown. Thanks. Also, what exact scope rings do you have on the Arken scope cz 457 rifle?
The Arken low ring but it won’t work with some rails
looking at all the groups, looks like the Vudoo 360 is quite dissapointiing given the price.
I am currently at stop number 2 with a CZ 457 LRP 🤣😅
That’s a good spot. I could have saved ALOT of money and stayed there lol
@@midwest_long_range now that I figured out it was a carbon ring at the ELR shoot we're in business.
Great vid
What ammo did you use?
Price for Vudoo 360?
What your thoughts on the Ruger Presision, for someone that desires a great, out of the box, OEM rifles, without heavily modifying ? Is the Ruger comparable to CZ, and Bergara ?
It’s not in the same stratosphere as the cz or the Bergara. I would go cz out of the box it’s simply the best option
So, whats the fix for the magazine issues with the 360? What ammo were you shooting in these rifles?
What’s your opinion on the Newer
CZ 457 Varmint Precision Trainer MTR # 02355?
I have been eyeing this rifle for quite some time. It is pretty expensive but probably well worth it.
I am not a competition shooter.
Looking for excellent consistent accuracy.
Thank you very much
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What ammo did you use?
Great stuff Again. Howa bout a little on your version of the old carbon ring removal without a full clean. Cheers 🇦🇺
I think that can be arranged. Thanks for watching!
cz455 what bullets
$3500 for a rimfire scope?😳
Hello my man, I have to ask which would you recommend for small game and precision 100 to 200 yards with scope? I have the Ruger Precision that does very well but I would like a second rifle in .22LR. Thank you bruh...Oh I don't have Vudoo money...
Cz457 with out a doubt!
Bergara B14R original barrel?
Yes sir
I have been looking at a lot of 22-caliber bolt action with a match chamber. Right now I have a RAR that is doing okay in accuracy: from 50 yards five rounds each with CCI/SV: .40, .60, .42 average.47”. A guy had a new Bergara B14R , I don’t know what he wants for it, FFL he has.
@@rudolphferdinand3634 There really isn't a wrong answer, if shooting puts a smile on your face shoot what you like, the top tier rifles really shine as distance increases. Reading wind is a must if shooting extreme long range and good ammo
Thanks for the video! Curious as to how the Vudoo hold up against Anschutz as all the medalist from the Olympic games shot nothing but Anschutz. Also like to see compared to Rem 40X in .22LR. Believe both the Anschutz and Rem are using 27” barrels.
I’d love to try but I don’t know anyone who shoots either of those to try it out.
I understand that modern position rifles only have about 12 inches rifled. The rest is called a bloop tube and it’s real purpose is to hold the front sight in place and maintain the sight radius. I have an, as I recall, 1971 vintage Anschutz that is rifled all the way. Anschutz’s big advantage is trigger group design that is mechanical, but faster than electronic designs. More important for position shooting than bench rest. Getting the bullet out of the barrel with iron sights aligned is what this discipline is all about.
What ammo?
What competitions you shoot with your 22LR rifles? By zeroing at 50 you can not go down on turrets on closest targets like 20[30 yards right? You have to hold down because of zero stop I guess..
We are shooting PRS Rimfire and NRL22 and for targets sub 50 yards we either hold under or depending on what scope you are using we set our zero stops to be able to dial down between .5 and 1 mill.
@@midwest_long_range Not feel comfortable with both- I have zero stop on my scope and passing it down will reflect my time theoretecaly . Same with how down - for some reason my brain take extra time to accept , Need more practice to get it right. Thanks
What brand of ammo were you using and did you use the same ammo in all the rifles or did you shoot what that particular rifle liked the best.
It’s been a while sine I filmed this I think I used what shot best in each rifle. I think the 455 and b14 were sk rifle match, and 457 and vudoo was sk long range but I’m just guessing it’s been long enough ago I don’t remember for sure.
@@midwest_long_range Thank you for the reply...
Is the Arken scope calibrated for .22 rifles ?
No
voodo with a nightforce agenst a begera with a sg4 lol
Kenny guns are only as good as the ammo you put through them. Same with all match barrels
Once you go to full custom lot testing is definitely a must to get the full benefits
Imagine the groups if yah wasn’t shooting in a hurricane 🤷♂️🤣🤣
Any scope recommendations?
Depends on the budget you want to stay in
@@midwest_long_range would say under 600
And then you shoot 22LR. 😮
I shoot a lot of stuff…
I score better with Iron sight 452 ultra lux than your 455 at 50 yards
You need a better chambering tool I never clean a bore on a .22 I shoot a Win 52 it shoots 1” 5 shot groups at 100 yds with Fed UM1 my best is a Ruger VBZ it’s consistent .5” groups at 100 yards with EPS ammo and I have thousands of rounds and you never clean a 22 barrel trust me
arken sh4 lol
Sounds like, to some degree, a pay to win sport
Yeah all these rifles are over 1k lol I wouldn’t spent that kinda money on 22lr only on larger caliber 22lr is a small game caliber nothing more maybe practice a platform but who has money to waste in todays society
I spent 1700 on my 22lr pistol. It's called saving and not spending money on useless stuff like alcohol that your going to be pissing away.