Gaming with 16GB RAM vs 32GB in 2022
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 มิ.ย. 2024
- Testing and comparing benchmarks in 5 games using 16Gb of RAM and 32GB, as well as performance with and without a page file (Virtual Memory)
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If 16GB is the sweet spot for gaming builds, 32GB is overkill. If you can afford the extra RAM, however, and couldn't better spend that money elsewhere, what does the extra memory get you? And does using a page file for some extra memory help or hinder performance?
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00:00 16GB vs 32GB in 2022
00:42 Why would you need more than 16GB of RAM for gaming?
01:00 Methodology
01:34 Test Setup: Ryzen 5 5600X, RTX 3070
01:53 Memory Setups: 2x8GB, 2x16GB
02:17 Gaming Benchmarks
02:20 Benchmarks: Fortnite (Competitive) - 16GB vs. 32GB
02:46 Benchmarks: Fortnite (High) - 16GB vs. 32GB
03:13 Benchmarks: Apex Legends - 16GB vs. 32GB
03:45 Benchmarks: SplitGate - 16GB vs. 32GB
04:16 Benchmarks: Call of Duty Warzone - 16GB vs. 32GB
04:41 Benchmarks: Cyberpunk 2077 - 16GB vs. 32GB
05:08 Does 32GB make a noticeable difference?
06:14 Page files (a tangent)
07:05 Why would page files hinder performance?
08:11 Benchmarks: Fortnite (Competitive) - Page file vs. no page file
08:32 Benchmarks: Fortnite (High) - Page file vs. no page file
08:39 Benchmarks: Apex Legends - Page file vs. no page file
09:00 Benchmarks: SplitGate - Page file vs. no page file
09:25 Benchmarks: Call of Duty Warzone - Page file vs. no page file
09:50 Benchmarks: Cyberpunk 2077 - Page file vs. no page file
10:25 Buying advice & conclusions
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#16gb #ram #32gb - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
i recently upgraded from 16 to 32 GB of ram because of work and honestly its rare that gaming on its own uses more than maybe 14 gb of ram on average, i only noticed higher usage on Warzone and God of War. Other than that probably only city builders and strategy games use a ton of memory. On the other hand i work with giant photoshop files and half the time even 32 gb of ram isnt enough for that lol
play rust
in 2040 it will be "is 32gb ram enough? 32gb vs 64gb ram - video titles"
@@d9xd425 in 2077 it will be "is 64gb ram enough? 64gb ram vs 128gb ram -video titles"
*a few moments later*
Is 1EB of ram enough for gaming?
Few more mins later:-
Is one sun power enough to power your gaming setup? 1sun vs 2 sun - " Video titles"
going to 32gb was game changing for me, no more lagging when multitasking and editing. really depends on what you use the system for but it solved all my issues with a slower system
I upgraded the ram on my laptop and installed an ssd and I couldn't believe how fast it made my computer. The startup time is like 10 seconds now where it used to be 30 seconds
Same i can now have my map editor open, Blender, GIMP, and just tab between them like nothing. Totally worth.
Dam I'll be using mine for coding scripting and testing they don't use much ram by themselves since it's just a black screen with letters in it but I wanna be able to game as well
@@Megatholis I'm willing to bet that the improvement to the startup time was due to the change in storage unit, that's a game changer if you're used to old ssd's and hard drives
@@sosukelele you're right, I've been recommending SSDs to everyone because I can't believe how fast apps load and startup times. It's only in gaming and multitasking that you notice the ram. My computer used to stutter every once and a while when playing intensive games and it was getting annoying so I installed just a little more ram than I needed and now I notice in more intensive scenarios the ram usage doesn't go above 80% and as a result I also got a small average fps boost of about 3-6fps depending on the game.
I got so tired of having to close my browser and other background processes when gaming on 8gb RAM that i went straight to 32gb. It actually made a huge difference for performance in some games like quake champions. 16gb would have probably been enough but using a PC with 8gb RAM was so annoying that I wanted to make sure i never have too little RAM again in the near future.
😂ong this is true tho
Im more a buy just the enough amount cause they get cheaper and better over time that can be added as much as needed any day later...
And if you buy early at the current DDR technology when you upgrade later you might not even want your old kit which might be too low in performance cause at some point later ram is already like twice the bandwidth and in case you have a crappy kit that doesn't OC crap it all sucks much later on a much better PC.
Ps: but if I would buy a whole new PC at this moment Id probably go for 32GB too like in a 16GBx2 with the cheapest DDR5 6000mhz kit I could find, specially with Next Gen titles I think 16GB will soon be the minimum requirement...
holy shit, another quake champions player? no way lol
Wtf are you people DOING on your computers? I do a lot of compiling and development on a little more then 1GiB of ram.
@@qwertykeyboard5901 1GB LOL...
Even Chrome will eat 1GB before getting into action 😁
My Brother-in-Law has 16GB and he uses them all and wish he had more for 3D rendering.
Also you should know games easily use way above 8GB for quite some time though not all for sure and some games already use more memory the more you have, if you see comparisons between 16gb vs 32 gb, you will see that some games will actually use a bit more on the 32GB since windows manages all resources well it probably simply allow more and despite 16GB being enough it seems some games actually put even more of the game processed data into memory despite not having a performance penalty on 16GB for now...
And I saw one guy getting out of memory in 1 game with 32GB though it was not a normal situation since it's a youtuber that breaks all games on purpose, but he destroyed almost the entire world in the game and that shit eaten all the 32GB and then crashed saying out of memory LOL🤣
ps: If you go for a high performance PC at this moment in time you will probably go for 32GB since it's probably not much long for all demanding games to start having 16GB as the minimum recommended.
Endurance of SSDs is for almost 10 years high enough, that there is no reason to try to ''save it''. No need to turn off page file, or any other bs. Just plug n play. Good video except that myth, it was true with first SSDs, not anymore.
Wow!
Do you mean those expensive puny 32GB SSD's back in the day?
Unless you have a really small 256 or 512, or if you keep your ssd 80+% full.
Any of these, plus having not enough ram, can kill an SSD in no time.
Microsofts basic surface has like 4gb or 8gb of ram, with a 128 or 256gb ssd. Many users are finding that the page file will kill the SSD in 2-3 years.
@@tihruytssgjjvsavcxtbvhj3429 no
@@tihruytssgjjvsavcxtbvhj3429 80%+ full SSD will not kill SSD by any means.
@@tihruytssgjjvsavcxtbvhj3429 That has everything to do with the quality of the drive. SSDs will outlive HDDs now.
Dual rank is what made the difference not going from 16gb to 32gb.
stopped watching the video after he mentioned his test methodology
Even if you went 4x8gb single rank sticks, that would still be dual rank.
Indeed, stupid video. This is not 16 vs 32, this is single rank vs dual rank.
@@KingTheRat same
Now that i read this comment can i ask questions to you guys?
you need to account for other types of games, especially ones that are cpu dominant. 32 GB makes a huge difference in milsim games like squad, HLL etc and 4x strategy games like Civ6.
How does it affect Squad gameplay, I mainly play Squad with 16gb what difference of a 32gb make?
@@CedricEA it makes it run much smoother because it’s so cpu/temp file dependent. it allows the pc to load textures, models and the game in general way faster. the fps will dip less when there are intense fire fights too.
i noticed when running the game and streaming on discord, my ram usage was like 15GB/16GB so i bought more and it helped stability issues a ton.
cities skylines
DCS, Xplane 11 & 12 and Star Citizen too
@@qwertyuiopasdfgh9328 Its better to just buy a faster CPU.
in most applications personally, i actually do feel like if you have an intense game with some applications in the background 16 is enough- that being said i have 32 and if i have a browser/game/discord/etc open i do tend to max 16 or get close, and if its my minecraft server with around 400 mods it maxes extremely fast. my friend with 16 has crashed a few times due to running out of memory on that, but thats just how it is with intense modding
If you have 16gb, try intelligent standby list cleaner.
Any modern game will see RAM usage go up to 14-16GB if you have chrome and some programs running in the background. 16 is only enough if you close everything else otherwise you'll be hitting that pagefile on a regular basis. When I had 16 gigs I would close the game and go back to chrome where all the tabs need some time to load back in from my SSD because they've been swapped.
It would be interesting to see this comparison in 2023 with all the games coming out requiring a minimum of 16 GB ram, with some of them using up even more than that.
And they can use close to 32 Gb in 4K Maximum settings I have a ryzen 7 7700 32Gb Dual channel DDR5 6000 MHZ Ram a RX 7900XT speedster 2930 MHZ Gpu clock speed with 20Gb DDR6 Video Ram and a MSI B650M-A Motherboard getting my 2K QHD 165 Hz monitor Christmas time.
Which Games are requiring 16gb?
@@jasonwestwood7092DDR5 with 2 sticks isnt dual channel, its 4 channel
@@esotericjahanism5251alan wake 2
Some programs use page files regardless of whether there’s adequate RAM space available. The reasons for doing so probably varies a lot, but this is likely why several games wouldn’t run without a page file. Certain functions are likely configured to use a page file specifically instead of RAM.
Arguably no programs have control over that. Only windows can touch that. So IMO, it's Windows which decides to use the paging file even if you have a lot of RAM. Perhaps so it can use your spare RAM for caching and that sort of thing.
I used to have 2-3 minutes of loadings on Fallout 4... on HDD...
After I moved it to an SSD and had the pagefile on another SSD, the game loaded in a few seconds... that's quality of life upgrade!
@@davidfeddanigga54 No, load times heavily depend on SSD and HDDs... Literally every single test to find that out has proven that SSDs drastically improve loading times.
@@davidfeddanigga54 Bruh, on what basis would you say that
Man, I came across your content today. Crazy good stuff, love it! Thank you
I love that you included the 1% lows and put everything in an easy to read bar chart. Most people just put numbers up which is hard to interpret
Nice testing. I thought you wouldn't think about the pagefiling. When I had 3 drives, id use one for booting (ssd), one for pictures and pagefile, and one for games.
Had to remove the pictures one, pagefile went to the games drive and now games take longer to load. I have 16gb btw, will be upgrading soon.
The part of page files degrading drive performance is only a thing for HDDs and even that too over multiple years of use. For SSDs it might decrease performance by 1% over like 5 years, which isn't noticeable at all.
Thanks for this very informative video. Keep up the great work!
Subbed for the quality of content and image crispiness. Like it even more when my 8GB GPU is sprinting frickin hard on 1440p Very High setting!
As someone who has 128gb and has seen that 8gb is the lowest you can go with DDR5. 32gb of ram is most likely gonna become the 16gb for programs soon.
What's the closest you've ever gotten to using all 128gb?
@@joedartonthefenderbass Minecraft
@@joedartonthefenderbass and editing of course.
@@EliezYTHow did you do it with minecraft
@@Yasumui Allocating ram to it.
Yes! I was hitting 15gb just playing squad with some apps in the background. My 32gb ram upgrade gave a night and day difference
Excellent video, thank you for the insights!
Nice editing man I was surprised you didn't have like 200k subscribers. Subbed
I feel like we are slowly gravitating towards 32 being the standard. In my case i jumped from a 8gb laptop to a 32gb desktop and i can tell you its a life saver for multitasking while having two monitors.
Depending on the budget. RAM is cheap, 50 bucks for double the RAM doesn't play a role when your CPU is above 300€ and your GPU at at least 400€ but when you're on budget you could build really powerful system with very little money. A 5600 is at 135€ were I live right now, 5500 at 100€ same price for the 12100f. Even 5600x with 175€ and 12400f for 155€ are performance beasts regarding their price. So paying half your CPU budget for memory which doesn't speed up your system as long as you're just gaming isn't really worth it.
So if you're planning on a new build and you're already above 1k€, sure, why not? Even I would argue there's no need to save a buck, maybe you just invest 50€ more in a case you like or goiung from a PSU with gold certificate to a platinum one, so investing a little bit more in more memory won't neither hurt nor would it be a dumb idea but I still wouldn't call it a standard. A standard is met when the industry relies on you having such hardware and there's basically no game that runs signidficantly worse with 16GB RAM instead of 32GB, not even those games that recommend 32GB like the MSFS.
@@KolnFriedChicken I agree that 32Gb is not important if you are on a tight budget. But 16GB is really important as a minimum. If you are building a system for gaming or for work, i'd rather have a modern i3 with 16GB than an i5 with 8GB. Only reason i'd choose an i5 with 8GB ram is if i'm very sure that i will have money saved up in the next few months to buy another 8GB ram stick to add to my system.
in my opinion, having a gold rated psu is not that important if you live outside of Europe. I know electricity is expensive in Europe so having an efficient psu is important. But in other continents, any psu is fine as long as it at least some kind of 80+ rating to ensure it won't explode from bad quality parts.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior Yeah, but you're pretty early at a point of diminishing returns. I mean a 16GB 3,2GHz CL16 Kit costs less than 40€, so there isn't really a need to go lower than that (also 4GB DIMMs aren't produced that often, so it's a little bit more expansive, starts at 32€).
If your budget is that tight, that you cannot afford an extra 8€, I would argue you cannot afford to build a gaming PC in the first place.
So 2*4GB wouldn't even cross my mind...
Yeah there's not much difference. And the small differences there were I think come down to single rank vs dual rank. Hardware unboxed showed this in their testing as well. 16GB it is, thanks for the video!
Games these days are made for Consoles first and foremost. I wouldn't expect to see many games not being able to run on 8 or even 16gb until at least the next generation of consoles are made outside of a few PC only titles. Most Gamers seem to not understand how RAM works. RAM is an extra cache for the CPU to use without having to pull it from storage, when people see games with massive ram utilization they are only doing so simply because it is there to use, not necessarily because it absolutely requires that much. There's a very popular saying over in the server side of compute and that is Unused RAM is wasted RAM. As long as you stick to dual channel most games will even run on 4gb with only a really small hit to 1% lows.
@@esotericjahanism52512:38 seems to say otherwise
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my overall experience whether gaming or productivity improved significantly when i upgraded from 16gb of ram to 32gb.
I went from 16 to 32 bc prices were so good and in some early access titles I got over 20gb of usage at 1440p, i5 11400 and rtx 3050, and in far cry 5 I got around 17gb, so extra ram is definitely nice to have and since ddr4 is so cheap rn if you have a ddr4 system I see no reason not to go up to 32gb
Doubtful, windows will try to reserve half of your ram just cuz it can.
@@greybirdz there is a reason to. they cant afford to
@@greybirdzbro i agree and im.pissed for that i got 32gb and windows is constantly using 17gb of my ram for some reason and idk why
@@savekillqqpsounds8473telemetry spyware, ads, features nobody uses, and keeping programs open in the background to save you 0.1sec when opening something at the cost of performance
@@savekillqqpsounds8473 Because unused RAM is wasted ram. I would suggest you educate yourself a bit more about how ram actually functions with in a PC. Your system is using it simply for no other reason than because it IS there to use. If your system were not utilizing it then there would be no point in you having it. If you want a bunch of ram that your system doesn't use I suggest buying it and keeping it in a box on the shelf instead or maybe on display on your desk, or maybe use it as an antisag bracket for your gpu. Why would you want components you paid for and installed to not be used? RAM is a cache for Data to sit in so that the CPU doesn't have to pull it from storage(which is slower) if your system, games, and apps see it there to use then they're going to put things there so they can access it quicker.
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The real impact from adding RAM is really around latency.
The review was pretty good at talking about the issues around memory management and paging, but one thing that's rarely mentioned is that OS behavior around page files has changed over the last 30 years.
Back so many years, page file usage was so costly that it would largely not be used until memory was almost consumed, and this is where the common gaming dogma of "if it fits in memory, you don't need more of it" comes from.
About 20 or so years ago, paging algorithms began to change. With faster HDDs and more RAM hungry (less efficiently written) programs operating systems started to run into a problem where by the time your RAM was consumed, you were backed into a corner where any further memory requests would begin seriously eroding system performance, which made it pretty hard to get out of a heavy paging condition because there was little real memory left for the system to support the actions of the user. As a result, pre-paged frames became common in OS kernels, and usually configurable such as through the Linux /proc filesystem. In order to preserve performance, once the system hit a RAM consumption threshold, the kernel would begin paging out the frames of memory that it deemed less recently accessed and not actively used. The idea being that doing this during low system consumption periods would allow for more memory use before the page file became the sole source of new memory frame creation.
In many common Linux distros, the default was about 60%, but the actual threshold would often vary around the 50% mark or so in different flavors of various operating systems like Windows.
Around the same time, OS creators began providing cache services in RAM for file access and other duties. That extra RAM the program's not using? The system is using that as a file cache for faster return read/writes. This is likely where some of the better lows performance is coming from for the testing. By reducing the amount of times the game needs to reach back to slower storage for file data, the impact to latency from the file call is reduced.
File caches are commonly assumed to be empty memory, but in actual testing this is not entirely true, especially in the new era of OS memory management where dynamic memory allocation is the trend. What happens is that most of it can be purged from real memory, but open files still need to remain in memory, and that's variable.
And now instead of paging at hard levels, OS memory management layers mark pages as possible to page to disk, which blurs the line between what is likely to be paged and not before all RAM is consumed.
The end result is that the low end performance impact from memory and paging is difficult to ascertain for certain, since concepts like having a bigger file cache and having less paging due to a lower percentage of the memory being used come into effect when running into parts of games that maybe need to rotate data in memory or need to load new assets. At the same time, having everything in memory can potentially crowd out new information, incurring a cost in ejecting and reorganizing pages through purges rather than simply rewiring the page memory map, which in some games may be what's causing more latency hits with the page file off.
So what does this all come down to?
Well, if you just want to buy enough to be able to load the game, then the baseline requirements are adequate and you may not even notice much of a difference with faster storage if you're not sensitive to latency (or the game/workload in question doesn't incur a hit to loading new assets or does so through loading screens)... but if you're sensitive to lower end latency and stutter, more RAM is better even if you're not seeing the total numbers for your game load into RAM, if only to further reduce file loading latency and reduce page misses. Unfortunately, latency and user experience is hard to measure and doesn't show through in average FPS testing, so I think we have a lot of inappropriate testing out there relating to measuring the actual impact of more RAM on gaming experience, but it's not a big deal because many people simply don't care that much about these lower-end, less frequent latency hits. (I personally do, and I also do programming and system architecture/testing work... so I spring for the faster, larger RAM segments.)
As far as having a page file is concerned, it's safe to not have one if you have a significant excess of memory, but having a small page file may be the ideal compromise in many circumstances.
That was a nice read, thanks. Along with the video showing 0.1% improvements in some games, this actually explains a bit my anecdote why 32 GB on one of my machines feels better than the 16 GB one even though they had similar fps, and even similar 1%s. This actually got me thinking about possibly having 64 GB for my next build in a year from now. However I don't really know if my non-gaming workloads need it so it might not actually be unnecessary... but that's besides questionable gaming benefits.
@@QuantumConundrum I think part of the complexity is that so much of it depends on the system, the type of RAM, the design and configuration we're going for, etc. One known outcome of adding RAM is that the memory map grows, and that means it takes more processing to manage, and that means hotter RAM controllers, hotter overclocks, etc... so one thing to be aware of there is that 64GB may help many, but may hurt other cases.
But as long as the system can handle it, and has the capacity, more could be better and likely will be better in the future. I'm glad someone found value in what I wrote. :)
I ain't reading all that💀🙏
Nice comment. Thanks!
It also matters how you distribute the RAM. i.e. if you have 2x8GB and then add further 2x8, even if the app will not use above 16GB there will be an increase in perfromance as AMD has been tested extensively and 4 modules provide better perrformance (dual ranks). So an absolutely true test of 32GB vs 16GB would be to use 2x8GB and 2x16GB I think. The difference can be as much as 5-15% simply by going from 2 modules to 4 modules. Or maybe you did exactly that and used 2x16GB and sorry if I did not pay proper attention then. Also: how about adding a RAMDRIVE, assign a drive letter and set a page file on it? Not saying to go to 64GB but if money is not an issue...
Hey! Thanks so much for this video!
On a somewhat related note, I bought a new kit of 32gb 3600 MHZ and was disappointed when it wasnt doing much more than 16... six months later poking around in the BIOS i noticed I never enabled XMP. Got an additional 20-30 fps in games and over 100 fps in menus and such
hi whats xmp im building a budget build now
@@leeyo5494 it's in the bios under ram/ddr/memory, one of those, profile "XMP"
If you disable the Page File that may cause some performance and stability issues, however you can improve the PF performance by giving it a fixed size of 16384 MB (16GB), also make sure the PF is using the fastest SSD you have.
Putting a page file on a SSD is a quickfire way to burn through your I/O cycles.
@@Trigger-ZX No worries, SSD have improved a lot, just make sure you're not using a very old SSD. Also fixed size page file will prevent Windows from resizing the page file all the time, thus preventing wear and tear of the SSD, also good for HDD.
@@Trigger-ZX I have 24GB RAM and since 2019 I've had a 120GB Kingston A400 for the page file (though for a while in between I used it as a OS drive). It's now down to 47% health with 26674GB total host reads, 27624 total host writes and 54412GB total NAND writes. Power on count is 195 and power on hours 28761
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This is a really well made video and thanks for that. The thing I would like to know though, please is I have an extra single stick of 16gb 3200 memory. It's the same speed as the 2 8gb's I have in there at the moment. If I add the 16gb single stick to the PC will it help at all or will in hinder it because of only being a single stick. Thank you. Also, never even heard of a page file. So thank s for that too.
Not sure what SSD you are using but it would be cool to see the effects of a fast nvme gen 4 drive to a sata ssd has with the PF and performance. Since windows games seem to rely on the PF a good bit it would be cool to see the impact of a faster drive with the PF and of it may have on overall performance bump potentially with the 1% lows like we saw when the PF were turned off.
There are pcie gen3 drives that will be better than pcie gen4 drives in this scenario. The IOPS and IO latency especially during mixed read and writes are the most important for page/swap file performance. Generally the best drives in this department at the moment are the SKhynix p31 and p41 (pcie 3 and 4 respectively). Technically the best would be an Intel Optane drive like a 905P or a P5800X. The only issue is that you will have to be willing to want to spend a lot of money for the capacity.
I used to turn off page file back in the day when 8GB was the optimal and I had 16GB to save a little bit of storage, I still have 16GB today but now all I can do is reduce the size of the file to half of the default but even so occasionally I still get a crash because of low memory though very rarely.
Unless you are running an HDD as a boot/pagefile drive, there is no reason to disable the pagefile. SSD life impact is so small you are talking 10-15 years for anything resembling normal use or heavy gaming. My 500GB Evo that ran for 4+ years is still at 96-97%.
@@SixDasher in most cases it hurts performance with pf turned off. SSD barely have any impact of life as mostly it is reading and that doesnt really do much for its lifespan. PF unloads ram and thus better performance, instead of utilizing real ram for afterburner, you use pf and you probably get what I mean. Putting load on ram will hurt performance, but using what is not will increase it. I mean really the disks are not really used all that much when gaming (depending on disk ofc)
Try intelligent standby list cleaner.
@@SixDasher There's over-provisioning especially on larger SSDs that'll help longevity.
You should use a large page file, 16384 MB should be fine
For sure upgrading from 16 to 32 is the best upgrade possible because its cheap when compared with the others, and actually make a lot of difference, at least i noticed
That was great. Thank you.
Extra Ram makes a huge difference. I was always watching flight sim videos when they would fly with super smooth graphics and now watching those videos I notices stutters every now and then but I hardly get any. I get 50-60 fps in high density areas and 30-45 in payware aircraft . Feels good man.
Just upgraded and noticed most of the games I play end up clocking about 16-17gbs used, which greatly reduced stutters
I'll have to check out Il-2 Sturmovik Great Battles next time I upgrade, or now that i have xmp on
I just went to 64GB in all my rigs since DDR5 and DDR4 is so cheap now in 2023.
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Bought additional 16 GB of Ram few days ago. New Tarkov Wipe hitting hard and the game take 14 of my 16 GB and windows takes the last 2 for the System so i just bought it. Damn Ram got really cheap, i paid 75€ back in the day for my 16 GB and now i spent 42€. I also enjoy editing my Gameclips and do Intros( Cinema 4d and After Effects) so 32 GB will help out a ton for larger Preview. Anyway, helpful Video :) Thank you and happy new year @all.
I believe CIV 6 or Galactic Civ 3 would benefit greatly from having 32 GB of memory if you choose the giant playing map options. You should have chosen some games that say they require 32GB for certain options to actually see if it made a difference / worked/ etc... In that sense this video failed, and I was hoping you would cover that and or wondering if an SSD page file was fast enough...
I'm glad you mentioned Escape From Tarkov because that game truly showed a large boost in performance with 32Gb of RAM. That game I feel should be included in more benchmarks because it is not only not optimized well, but it also can respond better to CPU or RAM changes in a much more marked way that some other games. It's a classic example of "brute forcing" performance when there is typically an abundance of power or engine limitations found in other games. Great video btw! Would love to see some benchmarks with two NVME SSD's in RAID 0 to see if the CPU overhead outweighs the raw speed of that config?
RAID0 lol bruh it isn't 2002 anymore. Games see almost no benefit from it, maybe a couple of your more data intensive games load a few fractions of a second faster. That's about it. Gordon from PCworld already did this. His point "I don't do it because it's practical, I do it to show off"
Very informative video.
I recently upgraded from 16 GB to 32 GB of RAM. Using Unreal Engine 5 and other software simultaneously not only slowed down my PC but also caused crashes. This upgrade has made a significant difference in Digital Combat Simulator (DCS) and has had a slight impact on various strategy games.
I just built an overkill pc lol 4090 13900k and 64gb vengeance ram
If you do another one in the future, please put Escape from Tarkov in the list, it really eats a lot of RAM and i wonder how much 32GB would benefit there
the video quality is through the roof that its a crime that he doesnt have 1mil subs
The audio mix you have is great, but I am missing the point, lol! I use mine for adobe apps and recording and editing. I just ordered a second kit of Vengeance RGB PRO 3200 yesterday. I will be retiring my AM4 build next year. Should be in today! I love the tangent you went on, however I have almost enough ram for most apps. Some apps really don't like to use a PF though. I want to sell my PC sometime soon and I think 32 will make it a more appealing option in the current market.
the only reason i went to 64 gig was so i could create a RAM Cache using a 15 sec write delay and prefetch of data on boot, is has saved about 65% of my average write defer. writing to ssd/ m.2 is the most limiting factor to there life spans and its nice having ssd read speeds of 25 gigabytes a second instead of the 7gig on my gen 4 drives :)
Can you please explain what you said? I know what this all means, just for the others...
interesting
Are you using a program such as Primo Cache to do this?
I have 128gb in my system for running virtual machines (was cheap to max out at ddr4-3600). When a VM isn't running though, I have a 64gb RAM drive setup for temporary storage. I have considered looking into a cache program to save wear and tear on my m.2 as well.
@@chriswheatley3146 yes exactly, i am using primo cache, just set on intelligent mode with a write defer of about 15 seconds, and set it to a mix of read and write cache
Any built in way to do this in Win 10 or does it require software?
Rust uses so much ram it’s insane. I have 16gigs and my ram usage is at 14-15 while playing rust (with closing background apps)
try star citizen, that shit is RAM hungry and unoptimized as hell
@@Zanbatoss lmao thats why i bought a 32 set
hey, which software do you use to show fps, gpu/cpu usage and such while playing?
Is this with no background apps? Cause realistically a lot of people game with discord, chrome, and a lot more
Very minor inconvenience but the only issue with my current ram configuration (16gb) is that while running games other applications can be a lot choppier, not unusable but choppier. I plan on running more monitors in the future so the extra ram would help a lot with that
Hey can I ask you what cpu do you use? Cause it might be a cpu bottleneck
And Having 32Gb increases FPS in Gaming.
Had switched to 32gb back in 2015, 64gb in 2020, and now using 128gb; still saw usability increase over 32gb and 64gb. Can leave browsers, game and software launchers, and virtual machines open without an issue. Having used various amounts of ram and storage i've adopted the mindset of "speed is great but capacity is best."
Windows 10/11 as a whole only give the impression it uses less ram thanks to memory compression; when one gives their build more ram there is more room for the operating system to "breathe." Unfortunately demonstrating the overall smoothness and responsiveness of an operating system as a whole doesn't translate well into video; it is something that should be experienced.
I would never turn off the page file, the amount of random glitches and bugs is not worth the headaches of troubleshooting. Having used ssds with over 70,000 hours of uptime and many TBs of writes; its well worth leaving on for peace of mind. Ensure you maintain backups of your important files whenever possible.
For those still on 16gb and less; consider looking for a deal on 32gb kits these days, being able to leave more things open without caring is a quality of life enhancement when using your computer. A reminder that, "Life is good but it could be better."
@ Iceberg Tech
There is a simple point, why fps go down without a pagefile. The integrated memory compression of windows will try to compress the stored data in the memory, which causes extra cpu-overhead. And i know this video is a year old, but i got it displayed today, i enjoy your content mostly 🙂
Quality footage, thanks for your effort. It's actually weird, that you didn't benefit more from the dual rank DIMMs because latency is pretty much Zen's steriod or its achilles heel depending on the view point and dual rank should lower latency significantly.
That you didn't really benefit from the extra 16GB when just gaming is kinda given. Yeah, the memory management can be less aggressive which may result in a little more headroom for the CPU but after all modern CPUs are such beasts that that's nothing to worry about, that's like 'cleaning your regisitry' in hopes of a faster system... Not going to happend for anything more than a Athlon X2 or Pentium 4.
If you're thinking of upgrading, I think it's fine if you're still on 16GB, new builds however, I'd go with 32GB.
Honestly, RAM is pretty cheap so you can upgrade that too. If you don't need the DDRM5. But if you're upgrading, chances are you don't have the option to go DDRM5 anyway.
I just upgraded to 32, because i saw how cheap ram has become over the last years.
Basically only paid 40€ for the upgrade as i was able to sell my old 16gb kit.
I have no doubt that very soon games will see actual improvements with 32gb.
Hogwarts Legacy for one can use up to 26gb. But as far as i have heard thats due to poor optimization.
Indeed, i payed 25€ for 2x8 GB, thats pretty much a bargain
When I run the game only on my 16gb PC it runs fine, but as I try to play game with chrome tabs open simultaneously, I immediately see lag and fps drop in games.. so I think its a calling that I need 32gb now
Upgraded to 32GB from 16GB of RAM completely removed the stuttering issue with Hogwart's Legacy. This game uses more than 18GB of RAM using high textures. Crazy.
I had an 8GB stick (single channel), Valorant would run in between 90-130fps at (960p low settings) with only discord running on the background.
I added one more 8GB stick and made it dual channel, now Valorant runs at around 200 fps at (1080p medium settings) with discord, spotify and MS Edge running on the background :)
just a quick note adding a bit of ram doesn't always add this much fps its only the difference from going from single to dual channel :)
Besides dual channel, is it:
Dual rank memories?
2RX8?
@@anonanon3134 I would hope so
@lolseagull yeah, dont use edge, just use m bing for the points.
@lolseagull me? lol
So you chose the first one ! Great video btw. I think 16GB is still enough, but taking 32GB in a new higher end pc will be more relevant in the next years.
Yep 😄I decided that the second one was too similar to last week's, plus someone made an excellent point that the first one shouts "gaming" and so wouldn't mistakenly attract people looking at productivity.
@@IcebergTech Yeah of course + it's your choice! And i can't rly give you an advice withmy videos having a 2% view rate lmao. Great video btw
I still seeing 16GB being plenty if Microsoft drops or reworks NTFS to be much better on flash memory. Apple's APFS and Samsung's F2FS are flash memory optimized file systems and are much more efficient. The way to think about memory now is more like L4 cache for your cpu.
It really depends on how you use your pc, for example gaming with multiple apps and chrome etc running in the background or not, whether the game gpu or cpu bound (if you are gpu bound it really doesn't matter at all) also if you have a fast nvme ssd the cpu can pull data almost at the same rate when you run out of ram
@@kerotomas1 Of course it depends but i was talking about gaming only. Also, even the greatest Nvme 4.0 drive can't even compete with DDR3. The goal of the ram is to keep data the cpu will be needing, and to let the cpu access to it really fast, we're talking about around 50 Nanoseconds.
That's why the cache in a cpu is important, it's really fast but also has a really low latency, i think (I might be wrong) around 1 nanosecond or even below.
So, of course a great SSD acting as ram is great, but not a "life saver" if you don't have enough ram.
Thanks... it's working... Good Job...!
Great video thank you
You didn't control for rank at all. I appreciate you acknowledged this point during your review, but then did nothing to control it during testing. Most motherboards have the options to run DR kits as SR. Or buy DR 2x8GB kits. Most of the performance differences here are likely due to SR vs DR. Especially on AMD systems.
16gb is not enough anymore. I was playing diablo 4 and for the first time, I couldn't open more than 1 tab in my browser because I was lacking ram space. If you already invested in a good gpu and cpu, you expect your PC to run through things without a problem and encountering what I just said wont feel good.
Exactly. 16gb is absolutely bare minimum, entry level amount of ram these days. 32gb at least is where you have plenty of breathing room. 64gb you pretty much never have to worry lol.
Thank you very much !
interesting that turning off pagefile seems to hurt performance even though pagefile ram is much slower. i guess windows is just really good at managing pagefile ram so without it a lot of stuff in the background 'breaks'. i am planning on moving to 32gb and was wondering if i should disable pagefile for better performance but seems to be resounding no.
You can not run without pagefile, you want to at least set a maximum allocation ( set aside for incase needed ) to pagefile as with auto Windows will set the max to double the amount of system ram and not only that will do the same to every set drive space. Minimum for the max that apps will even start with is like 4gb, having 32gb ram and auto set pagefile is 64gb pagefile + 64gb on the next drive and the next ( my case would be 256gb total pagefile ) where likely only 2gb might get used. But there are processes that run only in pagefile ' paged pool '. I am running 32gb system ram and the OS on an HDD, the pagefile set to: 16MB - 4000MB, under the Memory tab of Task Manager 1gb is used for Paged Pool even with 10gb/32gb used ram. This has been a thing for Windows for a couple decades now.
Pages being in the page file even if there's unutilized RAM does not allow you to conclude that "there are processes that run only in pagefile".
You've tested only on Potato popular games that does not rely on heavy hardware to play, thus not making a great difference.
I wonder if putting your page file in a nvme ssd vs a sata ssd makes a difference.. I'm using a 1tb Samsung 970 evo plus.
Whenever I play ow2 it stutters in game for a few minutes then it won't anymore. Thinking it might because of page file is in an old cheap kingston ssd
I know I'm about a year late for this video but, I just discovered your channel and subbed immediately on watching your video about using older hardware. My last rig was able to play most current titles until just recently and it is an AM2 Plus Phenom II X4 I built about 6 months after AM3 came out. It cost about half what an AM3 platform would have cost. I suspect the newish EVGA GTX 1650 XC Ultra GPU helped keep the old rig relevant longer.
I notice you have an AMD CPU and not a Radeon card. Some (12GB) of my 32 GB of ram on my b550 board with a Ryzen 7 5700X is shared with my RX 6750 XT 12 GB GPU. I suspect having 28 GB of available video ram instead of 12 GB does give me a higher FPS. Granted the 4 GB from my MB is slower DDR4 instead of the faster GDDR6, more ram is more ram. It may explain why some don't believe I get ~170 FPS average and ~70 FPS lows playing Cyberpunk 2077 (pre Phantom Liberty) at 1440p with high settings and no RT. I tried playing with the frame generation or up-scaling but, it seemed to give me a poorer experience with slightly lower FPS and lower quality looking graphics. Maybe I was doing it wrong?
dual rank is better than single rank most of the 2x16 ram kits are dual rank and most of the 2x8 kits are single rank so if you install another 2x8 ram kit it will be dual rank I have ryzen 5600x rtx 3080 pc when I ran 2x8 ram GPU usage was jumping around between 75 to 95 so my fps were very inconsistent so I installed another 2x8 ram kit now my GPU usage is between 95 to 98 through out the game
Not true anymore. 2x16gb 3200 C16 / 3600 C18 kits are often single rank now. Took me 3 tries to find a dual rank kit. Corsair LPX 3200mhz C16 was single and Gskill 3200 C16 were both 32gb kits that were single. Finally I found a 2x16gb 3200mhz C16 Corsair LPX kit that ended up being dual rank. Took 3 tries but finally with this CMK32GX4M2D3600C18R $115 kit it was dual rank. To make matters worse other people could search that same kit and buy it just to have it be single rank. They have different versions (marked on the sticks) of the kits with different modules/layouts. The model is the same but the version number is different like v4.45 vs v3.70. I found a reviewer on Newegg with that kit that mentioned it was dual rank so I figured lets roll the dice on this kit. I figured if I was upgrading from my single rank 2x8gb kits I didn't just want double the ram I wanted the small benefit of dual rank performance at stock XMP speeds.
I went from 16gb to 48gb because most of the time I have stuff running in the background. I would hit 15gb regularly and had problems with apps hanging in the background due to low memory. After upgrading I average about 18gb usage playing cyberpunk.
Damn bro what do you have open while you play games? I can have discord, chrome, Spotify, and a game running without crashing and I have 16gbs of ram
@@jacksonmanitoulinisland Honestly yeah I'm just as confused as you. I ran Cyberpunk at 1440p 144hz with almost max graphics while still running Steam, Discord and Chrome in the background, and never had a single issue with two sticks of 8. Hell I even cheaped out on slower RAM than what my CPU wanted.
My chrome tabs don’t have to reload ever anymore
What motherboard would you use with this test bench? (Planning on building this PC which will be my first ever)
Something i've noticed is that games feel alot smoother. The 0.1% and the 1% lows are much better. Modern warfare uses 16gb for me. and feels great!
32GB for MS Flight Simulator is a must.
Recently upgraded to i9-12900k and 64gb of ddr5 it is insane the performance boost. Ram is an amazing thing especially for multi monitor setups.
Just why? If you have an m.2 SSD 16gb and 32 perform identically, and 32 to 64 is zero performance boost.
I do a lot of virtualization and development. For gaming it’s an exceptional boost compared to my old setup using the same 2070super.
I got 32 gb and I'm glad I did. I just bought it cause why not? And after having had 32 gb for around 8 months, I've gone over 16 gb in use many, many times. I've seen it reach up to probably 25 gb in use at once, just having a game open and some browser tabs. 16 is probably good for gaming but if there's anything at all in the background, 16 might just not be enough. And I love to have a video or something playing on my second monitor while playing a game.
I noticed no performance uplift going from 16gb of 2666MT/s to 32gb of 3600MT/s CL16 but it's way better for multitude of chrome tabs, matlab etc. and even if I happen to start up a game I don't have to reload any of the background tasks or tabs or pages.
Really should have been both single rank kits to see apples to apples. Gains are so small anyway you can't trust a SR vs DR test when you are trying to find benefits of 16gb vs 32gb. Would have been best to do 2x16gb DR and 4x8gb SR of the exact same spec and timings. Or 2x8gb SR vs 2x16gb SR.
That would still be 4ranks... Causa 4*4gb would mean 4*1RX8 ou 4*1RX16(worst performance)
@@anonanon3134 that is correct , I’m aware of that. Must of had a brain fart. 2x8gb SR and 2x16gb SR kits would have better tested the theory.
I have in the last year upgraded 5 AM4 systems from 2x8 to 4x8 to fill all the slots for dual rank mode. Just waited for cheap second hand kits that closely matched the 3200 c16 spec. My main 2 PCs on x570 have 2x16gb Dual rank kits. Took me 3 tries to find 32gb dual rank kit.
When using 4*8GB you have the exact same behaviour adressing the columns like using 2*16GB DR memory. In fact if the IMC can handle double the DIMMs with the same frequency and timing (which often times isn't the case) then 4*8GB will be faster than 2*8GB SR just because of the way the CPU can adress the RAM.#+
So you either compare 4*4GB (rank doesn't matter in that config)/ 2*8GB DR vs. 2*16GB DR/ 4*8GB or 2*8GB SR vs 2*16GB SR
@@KolnFriedChicken yep I am aware of all this. I misspoke but I am very aware of this. 7 out of 9 of my systems are dual rank either through 4x8gb SR or 2x16gb DR. Took me 3 tries to find a budget priced 2x16gb kit in dual rank about a year ago.
For someone like me who plays VR, upgrading to 32gb is a good idea since many VR titles (like VRChat) are very memory intensive and also require VR launchers to be open which are also heavy on the memory. I would say if you already had 16gb than that's all you really need but if you're planning on buy a new computer then spending a little more on that extra ram isn't a bad idea.
Still working as of today, ty!
when it comes to gaming the game you are playing definitely matters... when playing a game with many background simulations its a huge difference in performance
i'd say if you will use your pc for gaming then 16gb is enough and 32gb is a waste but if you want to stream then 32gb is a very good choice
what about 64gb lol
I went from 16gb to 32gb because some of the VR games I played were too close to using all my RAM.
Safe to say its worth the upgrade
I have a 16gb kit for 7 years now and I'm thinking about upgrading for a 32kit now some games are using close to 7gb of ram sometimes. Its not always about building a new computer, sometimes old components needs replacement
So how does it work does the game use up GB ram only when it on or it just be used on everything at once?
A good example of needing extra ram is minecraft Java, which for some reason, uses up 24gb of ram on my pc. A friend of mine with a Acer nitro 5 with 8gb of ram actually has his pc crash often due to minecraft hogging up ram. You do need to allocate more ram to minecraft for it to use that much though, as its allocation is set to 2gb by default.
is this the age old question of allocation vs utilization though? maybe it just doesn't have dynamic allocation, so if you put the launch settings to -xx32G or whatever the flag is, it'll basically ask for all of your ram and the 24GB that Windows can spare gets handed to it
@@LunarLaker I put the launcher settings to 42gb ram, since I have a workstation with 64gb of ram, and minecraft Java used around 22gb at its peak in hypixel.
@@TacticalPhoenixYT java will use as much ram as you give it (up to a point), but over 8GB you get less performance because of java garbage collection
@@jamo8154 ah, I see.
I have an older gtx950 (4GB GDDR5) and had 8 gigs of ram. People were like your old gpu will never utilise 16 gigs. I used to play cod, pubg, forza. I mention these three games specifically as my fps almost doubled in each of these 3 when I installed another stick of 8gb ram. Dual channel does help but I also see the ram usage while gaming reach 70-80%. So I’d say yah if you have an rtx card, you’ll want to have at least 32 gigs dual channel.
I didn't even know there was a page file. Thanks for the lesson! Would switching to Linux help improve performance with the extra memory?
I'm not a Linux guy I'm afraid, I just never got round to learning it!
Linux also have the page file thing called swap file, and if your game support Linux you can give it a try.
IT WORKED, THANKS I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS FOREVER, BUT NO TUTORIAL COULD EXPLAIN IT AS YOU DID
I used to play warzone 1 with 16Gb but when i needed to open the browser or something it was a pain... I wanted to increase the RAM up to 32Gb but honestly i don't use that much. 24 is a reasonable amount of memory if you don't feel weird having a odd number of RAM sticks. But if you do, and rgb looks weird too, go for 4x8Gb or 2x16Gb
I have too much RAM, 64gb, it just makes the whole system smoother though.
I never have to decompress any cached data and I don't notice the difference between loading games from a slower or faster SSD
The main difference that I noticed is that (with my beefy CPU) I can watch a stream, do a discord call, have a game on hold in the background (like Elite Dangerous) and play a second game with my friends (like the division 2)
I have 32GB and actually forgot to close PUBG (uses 14GB RAM) and was playing other games, watching TH-cam & browsing Reddit for hours the other day without noticing haha.
@@josephhodges718 one of the dangers of having a good PC is that you can actually use it when you're running a programme, happened to me as well ;)
Can you test this now on the new harrypottergame?
Ive seen reviews that it can reach upto 18gb of ram
MSFS 2020 hitting 16GB of RAM regularly in town areas, as well as all WRAM
I switched to 32 GB because I disable pagefile. Running with 16GB caused DeusEX crash randomly, updated to 32GB - all running good.
but now I bought Ryzen 7700X and 32GB is a minimum DDR5 anyway...