Any other TH-camr with 500k subscribers would have a i9 & a 4090, so it’s get to see the humble gamer who is content with their setup, not everyone needs 4k ultra settings to game. Great video, Iooks like I’m keeping my 16gb of RAM 👌
Another great video. I upgraded and maxed out my motherboard to 32GBs a few months back on a really really good Amazon deal. Definitely makes everything snappier and more responsive even with video/photography workloads and gaming and really anything I need my machine to do. Have it paired with an i5-8400 and a GTX 1080ti FE from MSI.
I really like rhis channel for presentation and focus on what the average person will actually notice. Too many channels focused on the 2% difference between the latest $700 CPUs . Same with upgrades. I can really relate to the disappointment someone who had chose between a new game and swapping their 16gig setup for 32 and getting no benefit.
Why would one upgrade their RAM on a whim if they weren't encountering errors? If they can google the nearest store to find another 16GB pack, they could google whether or not the title(s) they're playing would benefit from said RAM upgrade.
Ryzen 5000 specifically gains a decent chunk of performance with dual rank memory. Not sure if that's worth it for budget builds though, since you might as well use the extra money to upgrade your processor directly, (I.e. 5500 -> 5600 or 5600 -> 5700) or getting a stronger gpu. You can always expand memory later, so I'd just go with 16 gigs and don't worry about it.
depends on what you play. if your playing a simulation game like anno 1800 total war warhammer 3 stellaris etc... you will see tremendous performance gains in 32gbs of ram as 16 gb is just not enough for long playthroughs in those games unless you have nothing going on in the background. also if you use mods on your games the higher the ram the better.
would love to see the same test but with an APU as it uses RAM as VRAM. with the way games use VRAM nowadays pretty sure that is gonna be a very interesting test.
It helps. I have tested that with my 5600g when I've bought for my little brother a 32GB kit. And it really helps in some games, games that uses a lot of RAM and VRAM.
It helps but from my understanding there is a limit on how much vram you can set from the bios , so depending on the game that extra ram amount may not help much
@@lynackhilou4865 that's memory dedictaed for the iGPU, not memory the iGPU can access it. all of your dram is a unified buffer the iGPU _can_ access, all you do when you set portions of it aside is tell the machine that that particular chunk is for _only_ the iGPU. not vice versa
i was going to go for 16GB for my new build, but a friend offered me 32GB 3600 for £18, and i simply couldn't pass on that. needless to say, i did not regret it, especially with the copious amounts of multitasking im able to do with that much memory. my APU also largely benefits as im running dual sticks
Worth noting that your error bars should increase as you go to 1% and 0.1% lows because you'll have fewer data points to draw from. So whereas you might, for example, say that +/-2 FPS is within margin of error for average FPS, the margin of error might be 5 and 10 FPS respectively for the 1% and 0.1% lows depending on how long the test was or how many samples you took. Note these numbers were just for illustrative purposes and aren't hard and fast.
This. 0.1% lows mean you only have a sample size of 1 in thousand. Let's say you take an hours worth of game footage, then 0.1% are the worst 3.6 seconds of fps. Imagine that even the slightest difference in what's happening can make a giant difference in those frames. Since the RAM isn't close to the limit of 16gb in most of those cases and still has the same bandwidth etc, I doubt it makes a noticeable difference.
The thing I like about your content is that it gives me a reality check on what is actually usable. There's a lot of channels out there that (for obvious reasons) focus on the latest most powerful CPU and the stonkiest GPU, usually the RTX4090. All I want to do is use my machine for productivity and gaming, do I really need to spend $5,000 to do it? Obviously not. I would really appreciate you continuing this theme of realistic builds for 'normal' people. Here's a question. Just how much does RAM speed actually affect overall gaming performance. for example DDR4 3200 Vs DDR4 4200 or DDR4 vs DDR5. Not in synthetic benchmarks but actual gaming or productivity. Even in today's market is it worth the upsell?
the test may be unfair because the 32gb kit could be dual rank models that may be why spiderman and cyberpunk took a hit with 16gb despite the game using only 8gb ,so the best to way to test the difference is virtual machine with the same kit
I was really thinking about upgrading from 16 to 32gb on my R5 5600/3060Ti setup. This video came in at the perfect time. I still think that i'm gonna upgrade even if there isn't any measurable performance gain because i often play games with discord and 1/2 tabs of Chrome in the background besides all the windows things running. It should also help a little down the line when inevitably the 8gb of VRAM on the 3060Ti will truly become an annoyance.
I'm in the same boat, tho only a 2070 and an i5 not a Ryzen. It's not that I'm expecting double FPS(Or even really any notable improvement) in games but, I often multibox clients of WoW while having Steam, Discord, Chrome with a shitload of tabs etc etc. And I have noticed my system hitching a bit sometimes when it begins hovering around 90% RAM usage.
More RAM isn't about getting more FPS. Your computer will be more responsive when you got a lot of programs running in the background because more data can be kept in RAM instead of being swapped to a relatively slow SSD or HDD. DDR4 is so cheap at the moment, 32gb for everyone.
Only by 4k you gone need more systeem memory. A lot of other games under 4k you really only need between 8/12Gb. Only if you do more like video and browser and more. Than you need more. For the rest well all my systeem are fine with just 16Gb. Wel my laptop have 32Gb its not use it.
@@dyslectische not true, it depends on what you have running in the background. Was just a headache closing all the background apps I had running and this will be more an issue with newer games like hogwarts legacy.
its more a matter of being able to go into any game that you want, without having to close any tabs, background tabs, or anything at all in the background ever, as well as smoother and snappier os experience in general. in game with nothing left in the background there will be little difference.
You should be able to tighten up the timings, and clock it to 3600. You'll see a good performance boost. Also good that you are only using 1 DIMM per channel, as it's easier on the memory controller. If you want to drop the model number of the new RAM, I can set you up with a good stable starting profile for the timings. Have a great day, Sir! o7
some of the LPX sticks don't play nice with tight and fast OC unless you put the juice to em. with the added voltage they get hot as hell. not sure if its a defect in some sticks or if its just a binning issue.
There is one (And only *one*) game where it will use as much RAM as you have available while otherwise being pretty modest in terms of other requirements and that is heavily modded Cities: Skylines. Mind you, the base game barely has any usage, but if you add all of the expansions and several popular mods it's easy to eat up 32 or even 64gb of ram as the game is pretty inefficient in loading the custom assets to memory. So that might be the *one* case where a budget gaming PC might actually benefit from more than 16gb of ram but it's a weird enough case that it isn't worth re-testing tbh.
Exactly the content I needed to see and hear. Other reviewers test their 16 vs 32 gigs on very high end builds which don't reflect what most people have. I'm building a budget PC using Ryzen 5500 and RX6600 so I needed to know if 16 vs 32gb of RAM is even relevant to me, considering that the main bottleneck should be my GPU instead. Here in Malaysia the price difference between 16 and 32 is rather huge (almost twice the price of 16 for the 32gb RAM) so your video does allay my fears on going with 16GB of RAM.
In hogwarts legacy you should've set the preset to high or ultra , since pumping up those settings increase ram usage significantly, at medium there won't be much of a difference
@@16xthedetail76 yeah not at 4k but at it can run it at 1080p high or maybe ultra with dlss quality and that consumes way more vram even without increasing resolution
Not sure if your 32GB kit was dual rank but there's a significant difference between single and dual rank. 4x8GB will always be dual rank but you can find 2x16GB dual rank kits as well.
You're right, my guess is that it wouldn't really make much of a difference in this case but indeed there's a performance uplift if the 2x16 are dual rank
@@yyeezyy630 I guess in laymans terms with single rank setups the CPU has to wait that previous task has been completed in a certain memory bank before it can be accessed again which creates latency. In dual rank setups the CPU doesn't have to wait as it can do it's thing using another memory bank.
OMG I can't believe this video, I just upgraded from 16 to 32 with the very same Corsair modules not a week ago, only by having 4x8 instead of 2x8GB. Though I have a 3060Ti. And the changes really weren't apparent, but I benchmarked FH5, CP2077 and WarThunder and the biggest win was in 1% figures as I also expected. Sadly it cannot run in Quad channel mode, since the B-450F doesn't support it.
3:21 somewhere around that moment I got a nostalgia for the times when specs for games had "1024MB RAM, 256MB or more VRAM" in the recommended specs...
Put in all four sticks so you'll have 48GB. I did that with 2 kits of Patriot Blackout 3200 MT/s CL16. An 8GB kit (2x4GB) and a 16GB kit (2x8GB) for a total of 24GB. XMP enabled without a hitch and everything operated completely normal.
I think extra RAM can come handy if you are VRAM limited. So maybe test with a card with 4GB VRAM and 32GB RAM. In those cases maybe extra RAM can be utilized by the game due to lack of VRAM.
It doesn't work like that. Only for APUs (where VRAM and system RAM is the same thing). If the VRAM isn't enough, it will spill into the RAM, and if the RAM isn't enough, it will spill into the page file (on disk, which is something you REALLY don't want). VRAM is always faster. It's also closer to the GPU chip, physically, while the system RAM is so, so much further away, and the data needs to travel through a lot of gates to reach the GPU. System RAM is an order of magnitude slower than VRAM. Especially when it comes to reading/writing parts of memory.
Maybe I'm a little bit out of place here, but I recently maxed out my 10 year old PC with cheap modules (went from 16 to 32 DDR3). My CPU (i5 4690) being as old as it is and with only 4 threads, is constantly being blasted at 100% with any relatively modern game, which often causes stutter. Despite the CPU limitation and to my surprise, my gaming experience improved and a lot of the stutter went away after the upgrade.
I personally think for the gamer who uses discord, streams to twitch or wherever and has all sorts of game related apps running on PC, the days of 16gb being enough, is almost over. For the casual gamer, who like to knock out a few hours of COD on the weekend, it wouldn't make much of a difference to them. If you're going to just game it here and there, with no other apps open or working, 16gb is fine. Also as far as editing videos and basic work on your PC, more ram, at least in my case, made things smoother and things were snappier. I made the move from 16gb to 32gb late last year, and in general I could tell a difference. I make, edit and render multiple videos a day, and it has helped out a lot. But overall, if hardcore gamer, with tons of apps running in the back ground, streaming and all the other things, I think 32 will become the new standard shortly. Love you videos, keep em coming!
@@ndgoliberty Sure, fast Ram and dualchannel. I ment it more like if you have 16GB RAM and have 4GB set for the APU to use an VRAM and that the OS uses about 3-4GB, there are basically ~8GB of the total memory left for the game/application. In that case I bet, there will be a good difference between a 16 and 32GB system.
As someone who plays Star Citizen I can tell you that 32gb is a HUGE difference over 16gb. Almost night and day difference. I have 4x 8gb sticks @ 2666Mhz... reason I have 2666Mhz is because it's the fastest stock DDR4 speed without XMP since overclocking is something I'm not comfortable with.
Currently running Windows 11 with 16GB DDR4@3200, Windows 11 likes to eat RAM specially if you are a power user and got some programs in the background. Sometimes doing everyday tasks like watching youtube, browsing and listening to music I see my RAM usage around 5GB leaving a tight room for running modern games without having to close everything. Upgrading to 32GB DDR4@3600 next week.
The perfomance difference just might come from 2R vs 1R dram and not even the increase in raw capacity. Why would 16GB ram performe better when the system is not even asking for more memory.
I recently upgraded a HP Envy x360 laptop (Ryzen7 5825U, with integrated Vega graphics) from 8GB to 32GB and it made a huge difference in gaming. While this isn't a gaming beast, it made some games which were previously unplayable to actually playable. The biggest one was X4:Foundations. With the initial 8GB it couldn't be played. Every 4-5 seconds or so the game textures would disappear, and then reload over 1-2 seconds, only for the process to repeat a few seconds later. With 32GB that doesn't happen anymore and it's playable on low settings. That is most likely due to the iGPU on that chip having a low amount of dedicated memory (512MB only) and its using system memory for textures (via GART). 8GB was clearly not enough to share between the CPU and the GPU, whereas 32GB is enough. So in this case, it was a win. And in the present day, 32GB of DDR4-3200 SODIMMs were only $50 so a worthy upgrade in my book.
upgrading from 16 to 32 for Hogwartz did make a difference. The PC uses almost 20gb of RAM when that game runs, so definitely going to be worth it for AAA games in the future like GTA 6.
It's well worth having those slots filled, especially when the Corsair ram I have actually sell fake sticks of light up not ram for almost the same price as the real thing.
Just went from 16 to 32gb on a 5600 non X / RX 6500 XT combo. And now i'm able to play Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty @ 30fps solid ! Meaning flat frame time, 1% low and 0.1% low lock to 30fps using RTSS, not a single drop from 30fps resulting in a great smooth experience which was not possible with only 16Gb because when the game occasionally needed more i was getting hiccups/stutter. 60fps being not achievable with a 6500XT in native 1080p it was my 1st test and it shown.
I went from 8gb ram to 32gb and saw a decent rise in performance. Typically 15-20% better frames and it became much more stable. The drops smoothed right out. Then i replaced my power supply from a 460w to a 650w gold. Thjngs got even more stable and my temperatures dropped because of the more consistant and reliable power draw. Then i replaced the factory thermal paste even though it was only 2 years old because i know every manufacturer cheaps out on thermal paste. Then i saw my fan speeds drop considerably. My gpu and cpu were running the same temp because they were already decently low. But now my rig is half as loud, if even that. I did these upgradez while waiting for GPU prices to come down. And last month i finally scooped up my new rx6750xt. My system is everything ive wanted and more, for a downright reasonable price in my opinion.
Last year I upgraded my 8 year old PC to extend it's life. Primary reason was I wanted to run Flight Simulator and the PC was not quite up to minimum spec. First I upgraded the power supply just for safety. Then I upgraded my 8G DDR3 RAM to 32G. BEST MOVE EVER. Then I upgraded my RTX740 to a 3050. This is a PCI-E V4 card but was backwards compatible with the PCIE-3 motherboard. Finally, as a general upgrade, I moved to a SSD boot drive. Very happy with the results and I can run MSFS on ULTRA setting without a problem. When it comes time for the major upgrade the video card, SSD and power supply will all go into the new system. Without a doubt the RAM up[grade was the biggest overall performance boost to the system.
Honestly I don't think upgrading to 32gb of ram is a waste, seeing the increase in ram requirements in upcoming games,upgrading now when prices are stable is a good decision
Hmm ... I got 16GB of DDR4 for my new system build in 2017, but one of the two 8GB modules was faulty. But I saw another kit real cheap on eBay, so I bought that, and then got too lazy to send my first one back for warranty replacement. More recently, I was thinking I should get that (lifetime) warranty replacement done, then I can have a 32GB system ... but now I'm feeling lazy again ...
I have 32gb on my Ryzen 5 2600 build, the motherboard is the Asrock A320M-HDV Rev 4.0 so could only fit 2x16s but between the capable Ryzen, a ton of fastish RAM, main drive is a fast m.2 SSD 1tb and a RX570 8gb and I can tackle most titles easily and with good settings too. Not just games either, Davinci Resolve is lightning fast rendering quite sizeable video, I do love my lickle Ryz5 rig... 8-10 secs from power on to desktop in Win 11...
I've used 32GB years ago. It allowed me to alt-tab when playing big games w/o "low memory" warnings. Note : I disabled virtual pagefile to lessen my SSD writing.
Great video as always I don’t see many doing videos about performance per watt in the uk that would make a cool video I think making the best power efficient set up
just want to point out that even when these sticks look the same they may be completely different, may have different die, dram manufacturer, ranks , 16gb sticks for example are generally dual rank(with a few exceptions) where's 8gb sticks are generally single rank(with a few exceptions) , dual rank is faster but have less overclocking potential, it's also more compatible with problematic ryzen cpus from my experience, different die letter & dram manufacturer will result in slightly different performance too even on the same timings
If you could please include at least one sim game benchmark. For example Sim City Skylines, Factorio or Oxygen Not Included. These are the type of games that many (adult) gamers with entry level setups play.
As long as you don't max out the RAM, more RAM will generally not improve anything. However, more RAM will ensure you won't eat up valuable memory if you want to run programs in the background like discord, browsers, music and so on. A typical gaming rig today would probably benefit from double the RAM of what your games will require, to allow for background programs like I just mentioned.
@@oxfordsparky That is because he exceeds 16GB of RAM when using 32GB. Accounting for Windows and other stuff on top of that, it is evident 16GB in this case is not enough.
@@PhobetorXVII Actually it doesn't. Virtual Memory is using disk space as RAM and a drive/SSD is typically no where near fast enough to compensate for RAM. A typical SSD M.2 drive is around 10% the speed of DDR5 RAM. And in this case the RAM is much faster than the SSD.
I think more RAM is the ocean that lifts all boats, esp if you've got a budget or entry level gaming rig. Because I like to save power I would go for the highest RAM speed with the lowest voltage at the maximum size for both desktop & laptop.
Ive not even watched this yet, but the title alone has grabed me. You keep bashing these vids out, so relevant to me personally, and im sure with the state of afairs in most countries, its the type of money saving or super useful tests consumers appreciate. Now ill watch the video 😄
I'd love to see a follow up video that pits 8GB of RAM against 16GB of RAM. I have my personal take on the current "memory issues" in PC gaming. For the main system memory, 8GB of DDR4/DDR5 RAM is on the way out and entry level builds should be planned with 16GBs of system memory from the outset. For discrete graphics card memory, 8GB of VRAM is also at the end of the line for anything above 1080p, 45fps, medium settings graphics and builds targeting 60fps/1080p without immediately having to fall back to DLSS/FSR will need to have at least 12GB VRAM. Personally, I have 32GB in my build I put together after this past Black Friday, but I mainly bought 32GB for future proofing so that I don't have to go RAM hunting in about four years from now when 16GB starts to become obsolete.
*So i'd say this is a RAM SPEED situation more then just 16gigs is not enough i would really like this test redone on a DDR3 pc at 1866mhz vs 3200mhz vs DDR5 4800mhz at 16 and 32gigs config to see the differences*
Can you redo these tests but while broadcasting to twitch or sharing screen over discord? While having some music on chrome, just to have a real case scenario, i dont think many people is closing everything but the game to play
Some games like black desert online have a "performance mode" where it allots more ram into some kind of fancy limbo waiting room and it DOES in fact GREATLY increase fps.
So I've learnt from that 16gb is the perfect amount of ram for the 12400 and 3050 combo because given 2x the ram it will only use 16.5gb at the most and when you are on 16gb it Max's out at 14.3gb so the extra ram is doing nothing for gaming although it might be helpful for making videos or productivity apps but for the average gamers it's just waisted ram.
Even if your system does not run quad channel that is not an issue. Mostly server and data center MB's and CPU's are the only ones that run true quad channel. In regular high end MB's and CPUs they are mostly dual channel but that does not mean if you put four sticks of ram in only two will get used while the other two just look pretty. That is a bit of a misnomer. It will stull fully utilize all four sticks. Say you have 2x8 for 16GB and upgrade to 4x8 for 32GB. Each channel will now have 16GB of memory bandwidth not just 8GB. With quad each one is used independently from one another where as dual it works in pairs only. The only difference is the amount of usable bandwidth, quad is much higher than dual.
As long as they're the same timings and clockspeeds, I don't know why you wouldn't use all four sticks and have 48gb lol I've used a heap of Corsair LPX DDR4 and I've never had different sized kits not play nicely with each other, to mitigate that concern
i went from a laptop that had 8 GB of RAM and an integrated GPU to a PC with 16 GB of RAM with a dedicated GPU, then to another PC with 32 GB of RAM and only upgraded it recently to have 64 GB of RAM fun.
Concerning Spider-Man Remastered, that was the one game that spurred me on to upgrade from 8GB of RAM, and I did actually see a massive improvement in-game after the upgrade. Though I might leave it a little longer for upgrading the rest of my rig, it's still doing pretty well for most of the games I play.
Was thinking of upgrading myself from 16 to 32 gigs, but after seeing this I don’t really think now is the time yet. I’d love to see however how 16 vs 32 gigs can handle much more RAM(and CPU) dependent games such as Cities: Skylines and Hearts of Iron IV, as in my experience those games are the ones that benefit from an upgrade to 32 gigs. Nonetheless, still a great video.
He has video testing 5400 rpm hdd vs ssd i think in gaming sometimg like that . There will be some difference between hdd and ssd in load times it will be a lot faster in gameplay maybe better0.1% lows . There isnt much difference between sata and nvme ssd
It can, especially if you have low vram GPU. Because it will help loading assets faster. My brother have 1060 3gb, and he got some stutters in Returnal and Dying Light 2 when they was on HDD. But after moving them to cheap Sata SSD frametime largely improved
It will help if you're low on RAM, paging/swapping to a HDD is waaaay more painful. Ideally you should have enough RAM to not run into that issue, though.
If you want to know whether you need a RAM-Upgrade just check out the Windows "Task Manager" for the amount of Memory used, while things get laggy/slow. In the "Performance" Tab you will see which of the Computer Parts are running at their Limits. (CPU = Central Processor. GPU = Graphics Card). But, before you upgrade your Memory, check out the Processes, in case that there is a Process you didn´t expect to utilize so much RAM - with a right-click you may close it.
i use to have 16 gb ram and i could only play warzone for maybe an hour before i couldnt gplay because i would only get 1 fps. i switched to 32 g ram in early 2022 and now i can play what ever i want with no problems
i dont know if u 16 gb per dimm kit is single or dual rank Added 2 sticks of 8gb for a total of 4 sticks 32 gb (so each channel got 2 ranks available) and stuttering issues got alleviated. i play e sport titles that never use more than a few gb of ram performance improvement come from the extra ranks in my case.
Was a time RAM was expensive and you got what was available. Now RAM is fairly cheap and there are choices. When I build I tend to pack in the RAM... more than is needed because it won't hurt anything. I suspect in the future RAM and storage memory will become the same thing.
Thanks for the content! Any chance you can test the performance of the AM5 igpus? I'm trying to see how it performs on older titles like Minecraft and also on esports titles.
For me upgrading to 32GB from 16GB of RAM allowed The Last Us to actually load in without crashing due to RAM limitations. The game itself not counting stuff in the background ate more than 12GB of RAM at times. Especially when loading a new or save game.
I did this very upgrade just a week ago. Bought the same exact 2x8Gb kit, that I already had. Only back in 2020, when I built this PC, it cost 75€, but now it was 37€
0.1% lows is all it matters. It’s a huge deal to have less stutters. That’s why I bought 32gb. Life saver in new games that poorly optimised for 8gb vram cards like Hogwarts Legacy. For sure buying new gpu is ideal, but extra 16gb of ram will delay gpu upgrade for couple of years. Also huge quality of life improvement, I no longer worry to close any programs to play the game.
You need to undestand, at most titles, the ram usage is always higher on 3gb That is NOT necessarily becaus the game is using more ram, that is because when you ahve 32gb ram, the windows uses lot more ram to allocate to other tasks that runs windows basically Basially if u see idle ram usage of windows with all apps loaded, 32gb will have 2-4 gb higher
The difference in price (pre-BF 2023) CAS 16 3200Mhz DDR4 RAM was exactly $20 to go from 16 to 32. Snagged it and overclocked to 3600Mhz CAS 16. $20? No brainer. This is on 12600K... which isn't technically entry level but considering it's now 2024 I'd say mid range at best.
Great video! I have an idea for one. Ryzen 5 5500 vs Ryzen 5 3500x on a RX 6500XT. As the 5500 has HT and pcie 3.0 vs the 3500x that has pcie 4.0 plus doble the L3 cache but no HT it will be an interesting comparison when both are paired with an RX 6500XT infamous pcie bandwidth
Hello rghd, can you test a used processor for a few years vs. a new one in the box, it would be interesting to see if they deteriorate and lose performance
I had the Ryzen 7 2700x with 2x 8GB RAM. Now i got the Ryzen 7 5800x3D 4x 8GB RAM. Lets just say all 4 RAM Slots filled, the PC looks more beefy from the insides through the glas panel. 😁
You should do a video on Atlas, LTT did their own but it would be cool to see the difference with Sandy Bridge or older generations of CPUs that are over a decade old, and not just something from barely 6 years ago that’s still very competent and not actual e-waste by today’s standards outside of W11 support. I tried it on my HTPC that uses an i5-3470, and it felt noticeably snappier.
as charitable refurbishers we are watching the Atlas thing very closely, if it makes a viable and usable free alternative to ubuntu and OS Flex (which we currently use as a Windows alternative) it's going to be a hit with our end users
In these kinda tests I'd always love to see some realistic usage situations on top of gaming say discord open, a could google chrome tabs as rarely is someone just gaming these days without something else open in a clean system like test.
Starting the obvious, but It doesn't seem like you stressed the system to see the benefits of more ram. You just kept the same setuo as with the lower ram... so what's the point of the test? If you're running the test where it plays comfortably on your lower end ram then why would more ram make any significant difference? You should add more applications into the mix then test. That's the benefit of more ram,. Otherwise, gaming is largely handled by the processor/gpu setup.
Instead of looking at 32 GB of RAM, stick with the 16 GB and just buy faster RAM instead. I changed from DDR4 3600 to DDR4 4400 on my Ryzen 5800x and it was noticeable. I am still running 32 GB of RAM (and was with the 3600 as well) but if you are looking at just gaming 16 GB is enough for most anything you throw at it. That said, there are some games...I played 7 Days to Die with the Undead Legacy overhaul mod and I got up to 28 GB or RAM usage. So some unoptimized mods for some games can actually make use of the extra RAM, but it's rare.
Capacity is less of a concern - it's the latency, speed and number of ranks that can make the biggest difference. Especially on Ryzen 3000/5000 series it gets really noticeable.
The performance difference is likely due to 4 ranks vs 2 ranks. And of course, that difference will be higher with better cpu and gpu, especially at higher fps and with ryzen cpus due to the way cache works in those cpus, x3d cpus as well, but more important with non-x3d.
i have a i7 10700k and upgraded from 32gb 3200mhz too 32GB 3600Mhz and i noticed yah in benchmarks i am getting a above average cpu performance !! Cinebench R15 , 3dMarch plus CPU Z benchmark and i notice i get better FPS and improved 1% lows with my RTX 2070 Super FE !!! i was pleasantly surprised at the improvement !!! so yes more ram and higher MHZ does increase performance
@elcactuar3354 MT/s is basically effective MHz so he's not wrong , if you want to be super specific then MT/s is also wrong and more correct one would be Mbps refer to "MT/s is a horrible unit. Mbps is the SUPERIOR unit for refering to effective memory speeds" < Buildzoid
I have a i5 12600k with a 4070ti. It works fine but I'd love to upgrade to a 13900ks when the prices drop. I'm a bit wary of doing this on my Gigabyte Z690 gaming mb. It would be great if you could possibly make a video upgrading your setup in the future which would help me out a lot.
Did you already establish a RAM upgrade in the form of *MORE* ram makes hardly any difference in modern gaming PC's regardless of "entry level"? Unless you're going from 4GB to 16GB, there is no difference in gaming performance. Now, VRAM will make a difference. Not DRAM, not in gaming applications, and not running 1 game looking for a performance boost. Running 3 multiplayer games and streaming, and watching TH-cam at the same time...yes. So what have we learned? It's purely situational. When did we learn that more RAM is situational? In the early 90's.
I have no doubt 32GB is the new minimum with several new games out using near or well over 16GB RAM. This is just the beginning and the best time to pick up two more sticks, especially with newer Ryzen CPUs. They get more fps with 4 DIMMs occupied, as counter intuitive as that may sound to my RAM OC homies. I have a discontinued 16GB Samsung B-die kit and waited near a year until a match popped up on eBay to get me to 32GB. Thank god the seller had no idea how rare the kit is, I got it for $35. I would have paid at least $60.
Ive just upgraded to 32 GB from 16 GB just to be able to play Hogwarts Legacy. That game almost always goes over 18GB of ram usage and causes the worst stutters and frame drops. 16 GB used to be the sweet spot but with games becoming more demanding, I think 32 Gb is now the sweet spot.
its all kinda in the hands of the devs and if they just build for console in the end...i know you spend alot of time on these tests but if you could include star citizen that would be awesome ..otherwise great video
I have the suspicion that your 16gb ram setup is running in single rank. Thats the thing with 2, 8gb sticks. manufactures don't put these specs on the box but most 8gb sticks are usually single rank meaning 1 sided chips and not double sided on their PCB like most 16gb/32gb sticks are, while the 4x8gb sticks or 2x16gb sticks are dual rank and it does make a difference as I've seen it myself going from 16gb to 32gb ram. I think CPU Z will tell you what your setup is running so check it out on there because I think that's the only difference we are seeing here when the games use under 16gb even on the 32gb.
Basically as expected for just gaming. Def more interesting for people who try to run OBS studio while gaming to stream on twitch or generally productivity uses that do make use of more RAM. Big question mark will be how these changes behave once more UE5 titles hit the market - might be worth to rerun this test half and/or 1 year from now once we enter the very dragged out crossgen era we are still in.
I was considering/planing to upgrade my ram to 32gb from 16gb but after watching this video, i think i should postpone my plan. Last of us on PC eats up all my ram (16gb) plz make a video on last of us 16gb vs 32gb of ram
Any other TH-camr with 500k subscribers would have a i9 & a 4090, so it’s get to see the humble gamer who is content with their setup, not everyone needs 4k ultra settings to game. Great video, Iooks like I’m keeping my 16gb of RAM 👌
Another great video. I upgraded and maxed out my motherboard to 32GBs a few months back on a really really good Amazon deal. Definitely makes everything snappier and more responsive even with video/photography workloads and gaming and really anything I need my machine to do. Have it paired with an i5-8400 and a GTX 1080ti FE from MSI.
I found the same and it made me wonder if 64Gbs would add further improvements even if latency would have to be higher.
I really like rhis channel for presentation and focus on what the average person will actually notice. Too many channels focused on the 2% difference between the latest $700 CPUs . Same with upgrades. I can really relate to the disappointment someone who had chose between a new game and swapping their 16gig setup for 32 and getting no benefit.
Why would one upgrade their RAM on a whim if they weren't encountering errors? If they can google the nearest store to find another 16GB pack, they could google whether or not the title(s) they're playing would benefit from said RAM upgrade.
Ryzen 5000 specifically gains a decent chunk of performance with dual rank memory. Not sure if that's worth it for budget builds though, since you might as well use the extra money to upgrade your processor directly, (I.e. 5500 -> 5600 or 5600 -> 5700) or getting a stronger gpu.
You can always expand memory later, so I'd just go with 16 gigs and don't worry about it.
3600MHz 16GBx2 dual rank kits aren't super expensive now at least
depends on what you play. if your playing a simulation game like anno 1800 total war warhammer 3 stellaris etc... you will see tremendous performance gains in 32gbs of ram as 16 gb is just not enough for long playthroughs in those games unless you have nothing going on in the background. also if you use mods on your games the higher the ram the better.
4 sticks of 8 will ensure dual rank
would love to see the same test but with an APU as it uses RAM as VRAM. with the way games use VRAM nowadays pretty sure that is gonna be a very interesting test.
It helps. I have tested that with my 5600g when I've bought for my little brother a 32GB kit. And it really helps in some games, games that uses a lot of RAM and VRAM.
It helps but from my understanding there is a limit on how much vram you can set from the bios , so depending on the game that extra ram amount may not help much
@@lynackhilou4865 I am not sure if my B550 let's me to set 8GB of RAM for iGPU, but 4GB it can do 100%.
@@lynackhilou4865 that's memory dedictaed for the iGPU, not memory the iGPU can access it. all of your dram is a unified buffer the iGPU _can_ access, all you do when you set portions of it aside is tell the machine that that particular chunk is for _only_ the iGPU. not vice versa
i was going to go for 16GB for my new build, but a friend offered me 32GB 3600 for £18, and i simply couldn't pass on that. needless to say, i did not regret it, especially with the copious amounts of multitasking im able to do with that much memory. my APU also largely benefits as im running dual sticks
What a bargain
Worth noting that your error bars should increase as you go to 1% and 0.1% lows because you'll have fewer data points to draw from. So whereas you might, for example, say that +/-2 FPS is within margin of error for average FPS, the margin of error might be 5 and 10 FPS respectively for the 1% and 0.1% lows depending on how long the test was or how many samples you took. Note these numbers were just for illustrative purposes and aren't hard and fast.
This. 0.1% lows mean you only have a sample size of 1 in thousand. Let's say you take an hours worth of game footage, then 0.1% are the worst 3.6 seconds of fps. Imagine that even the slightest difference in what's happening can make a giant difference in those frames.
Since the RAM isn't close to the limit of 16gb in most of those cases and still has the same bandwidth etc, I doubt it makes a noticeable difference.
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Can you explain what are 1% lows and 0.1% lows in this easiest way to understand?
You should consider adding amazon affiliate links to your description, I literally just bought a 32gb kit because of this video
The thing I like about your content is that it gives me a reality check on what is actually usable. There's a lot of channels out there that (for obvious reasons) focus on the latest most powerful CPU and the stonkiest GPU, usually the RTX4090. All I want to do is use my machine for productivity and gaming, do I really need to spend $5,000 to do it? Obviously not. I would really appreciate you continuing this theme of realistic builds for 'normal' people. Here's a question. Just how much does RAM speed actually affect overall gaming performance. for example DDR4 3200 Vs DDR4 4200 or DDR4 vs DDR5. Not in synthetic benchmarks but actual gaming or productivity. Even in today's market is it worth the upsell?
It’s like this with everything online. If you’re not min maxing you’re trash!
the test may be unfair because the 32gb kit could be dual rank models that may be why spiderman and cyberpunk took a hit with 16gb despite the game using only 8gb ,so the best to way to test the difference is virtual machine with the same kit
I was really thinking about upgrading from 16 to 32gb on my R5 5600/3060Ti setup. This video came in at the perfect time. I still think that i'm gonna upgrade even if there isn't any measurable performance gain because i often play games with discord and 1/2 tabs of Chrome in the background besides all the windows things running. It should also help a little down the line when inevitably the 8gb of VRAM on the 3060Ti will truly become an annoyance.
I'm in the same boat, tho only a 2070 and an i5 not a Ryzen.
It's not that I'm expecting double FPS(Or even really any notable improvement) in games but, I often multibox clients of WoW while having Steam, Discord, Chrome with a shitload of tabs etc etc. And I have noticed my system hitching a bit sometimes when it begins hovering around 90% RAM usage.
More RAM isn't about getting more FPS. Your computer will be more responsive when you got a lot of programs running in the background because more data can be kept in RAM instead of being swapped to a relatively slow SSD or HDD. DDR4 is so cheap at the moment, 32gb for everyone.
Only by 4k you gone need more systeem memory.
A lot of other games under 4k you really only need between 8/12Gb.
Only if you do more like video and browser and more.
Than you need more.
For the rest well all my systeem are fine with just 16Gb.
Wel my laptop have 32Gb its not use it.
@@dyslectische not true, it depends on what you have running in the background. Was just a headache closing all the background apps I had running and this will be more an issue with newer games like hogwarts legacy.
its more a matter of being able to go into any game that you want, without having to close any tabs, background tabs, or anything at all in the background ever, as well as smoother and snappier os experience in general. in game with nothing left in the background there will be little difference.
You should be able to tighten up the timings, and clock it to 3600. You'll see a good performance boost. Also good that you are only using 1 DIMM per channel, as it's easier on the memory controller. If you want to drop the model number of the new RAM, I can set you up with a good stable starting profile for the timings.
Have a great day, Sir! o7
some of the LPX sticks don't play nice with tight and fast OC unless you put the juice to em. with the added voltage they get hot as hell. not sure if its a defect in some sticks or if its just a binning issue.
It's not an AMD platform, the memory sub system on AMD is so bad it needs all the help it can get, Intel systems don't have that problem
It’s an Intel system so speed and DIMMs per channel don’t really matter. Would be a lot of work for not much gain.
Ignore the other comments, will do better with faster, free performance.
Also intel doesn't have nothing on the 3d chips, it's really yesterday tech..
I tried to fiddle with LPX memory on 4 systems and it never worked.
There is one (And only *one*) game where it will use as much RAM as you have available while otherwise being pretty modest in terms of other requirements and that is heavily modded Cities: Skylines.
Mind you, the base game barely has any usage, but if you add all of the expansions and several popular mods it's easy to eat up 32 or even 64gb of ram as the game is pretty inefficient in loading the custom assets to memory. So that might be the *one* case where a budget gaming PC might actually benefit from more than 16gb of ram but it's a weird enough case that it isn't worth re-testing tbh.
For games that require lots of ram, (Escape From Tarkov) an increase from 16 to 32gb wasn’t only beneficial but necessary for me.
Same here!That plus 5800xd!
Same here
Exactly the content I needed to see and hear. Other reviewers test their 16 vs 32 gigs on very high end builds which don't reflect what most people have. I'm building a budget PC using Ryzen 5500 and RX6600 so I needed to know if 16 vs 32gb of RAM is even relevant to me, considering that the main bottleneck should be my GPU instead. Here in Malaysia the price difference between 16 and 32 is rather huge (almost twice the price of 16 for the 32gb RAM) so your video does allay my fears on going with 16GB of RAM.
In hogwarts legacy you should've set the preset to high or ultra , since pumping up those settings increase ram usage significantly, at medium there won't be much of a difference
An entry level PC wont be playing hogwarts legacy in 4k which is what this video is based on.
@@16xthedetail76 yeah not at 4k but at it can run it at 1080p high or maybe ultra with dlss quality and that consumes way more vram even without increasing resolution
Exactly. When vram isn’t enough, extra RAM is lifesaver from stuttering
Not sure if your 32GB kit was dual rank but there's a significant difference between single and dual rank. 4x8GB will always be dual rank but you can find 2x16GB dual rank kits as well.
You're right, my guess is that it wouldn't really make much of a difference in this case but indeed there's a performance uplift if the 2x16 are dual rank
What’s that mean? Iv been watched benchmarks and 2 sticks of ram equal in size always outperforms 4 sticks of equal size
@@yyeezyy630 I guess in laymans terms with single rank setups the CPU has to wait that previous task has been completed in a certain memory bank before it can be accessed again which creates latency. In dual rank setups the CPU doesn't have to wait as it can do it's thing using another memory bank.
@@Remu- you just described dual channel memory. Is that what you mean by ‘dual rank’?
@@wrth No, dual channel doubles the memory bandwidth and is a different thing.
OMG I can't believe this video, I just upgraded from 16 to 32 with the very same Corsair modules not a week ago, only by having 4x8 instead of 2x8GB. Though I have a 3060Ti. And the changes really weren't apparent, but I benchmarked FH5, CP2077 and WarThunder and the biggest win was in 1% figures as I also expected. Sadly it cannot run in Quad channel mode, since the B-450F doesn't support it.
i don't think any consumer boards support quadchannel? only x99 and similar
3:21 somewhere around that moment I got a nostalgia for the times when specs for games had "1024MB RAM, 256MB or more VRAM" in the recommended specs...
Nice, your cyberpunk RT on the 1660ti got a mention on digital foundry 👌
Congrats on the shoutout in digital foundry direct weekly!
Put in all four sticks so you'll have 48GB. I did that with 2 kits of Patriot Blackout 3200 MT/s CL16. An 8GB kit (2x4GB) and a 16GB kit (2x8GB) for a total of 24GB. XMP enabled without a hitch and everything operated completely normal.
Did think the same. and left a comment for him to see 😀
I think extra RAM can come handy if you are VRAM limited. So maybe test with a card with 4GB VRAM and 32GB RAM. In those cases maybe extra RAM can be utilized by the game due to lack of VRAM.
It doesn't work like that. Only for APUs (where VRAM and system RAM is the same thing).
If the VRAM isn't enough, it will spill into the RAM, and if the RAM isn't enough, it will spill into the page file (on disk, which is something you REALLY don't want).
VRAM is always faster. It's also closer to the GPU chip, physically, while the system RAM is so, so much further away, and the data needs to travel through a lot of gates to reach the GPU. System RAM is an order of magnitude slower than VRAM. Especially when it comes to reading/writing parts of memory.
@@zdspider6778 it is like that. if you are VRAM limited on a dedicated GPU(not APU), the RAM usage does spike up.
Maybe I'm a little bit out of place here, but I recently maxed out my 10 year old PC with cheap modules (went from 16 to 32 DDR3). My CPU (i5 4690) being as old as it is and with only 4 threads, is constantly being blasted at 100% with any relatively modern game, which often causes stutter. Despite the CPU limitation and to my surprise, my gaming experience improved and a lot of the stutter went away after the upgrade.
I personally think for the gamer who uses discord, streams to twitch or wherever and has all sorts of game related apps running on PC, the days of 16gb being enough, is almost over. For the casual gamer, who like to knock out a few hours of COD on the weekend, it wouldn't make much of a difference to them. If you're going to just game it here and there, with no other apps open or working, 16gb is fine. Also as far as editing videos and basic work on your PC, more ram, at least in my case, made things smoother and things were snappier.
I made the move from 16gb to 32gb late last year, and in general I could tell a difference. I make, edit and render multiple videos a day, and it has helped out a lot. But overall, if hardcore gamer, with tons of apps running in the back ground, streaming and all the other things, I think 32 will become the new standard shortly. Love you videos, keep em coming!
Thanks :) yeah I agree if you’re doing a bit of everything the more ram the better
This test would be very interesting with an APU and like 4GB or more configured as dedicated VRAM.
Fast ram makes a huge difference on APUs.
@@ndgoliberty Sure, fast Ram and dualchannel.
I ment it more like if you have 16GB RAM and have 4GB set for the APU to use an VRAM and that the OS uses about 3-4GB, there are basically ~8GB of the total memory left for the game/application.
In that case I bet, there will be a good difference between a 16 and 32GB system.
Digital Foundry gave you a shout-out and big companies are sending you big things.
You're going places, dude.
As someone who plays Star Citizen I can tell you that 32gb is a HUGE difference over 16gb. Almost night and day difference.
I have 4x 8gb sticks @ 2666Mhz... reason I have 2666Mhz is because it's the fastest stock DDR4 speed without XMP since overclocking is something I'm not comfortable with.
Currently running Windows 11 with 16GB DDR4@3200, Windows 11 likes to eat RAM specially if you are a power user and got some programs in the background. Sometimes doing everyday tasks like watching youtube, browsing and listening to music I see my RAM usage around 5GB leaving a tight room for running modern games without having to close everything. Upgrading to 32GB DDR4@3600 next week.
The perfomance difference just might come from 2R vs 1R dram and not even the increase in raw capacity. Why would 16GB ram performe better when the system is not even asking for more memory.
7:03 it's not an issue of optimization. The game CLEARLY states that 8GB cards are ok at high settings, but not ultra
I recently upgraded a HP Envy x360 laptop (Ryzen7 5825U, with integrated Vega graphics) from 8GB to 32GB and it made a huge difference in gaming. While this isn't a gaming beast, it made some games which were previously unplayable to actually playable. The biggest one was X4:Foundations. With the initial 8GB it couldn't be played. Every 4-5 seconds or so the game textures would disappear, and then reload over 1-2 seconds, only for the process to repeat a few seconds later. With 32GB that doesn't happen anymore and it's playable on low settings. That is most likely due to the iGPU on that chip having a low amount of dedicated memory (512MB only) and its using system memory for textures (via GART). 8GB was clearly not enough to share between the CPU and the GPU, whereas 32GB is enough. So in this case, it was a win. And in the present day, 32GB of DDR4-3200 SODIMMs were only $50 so a worthy upgrade in my book.
upgrading from 16 to 32 for Hogwartz did make a difference. The PC uses almost 20gb of RAM when that game runs, so definitely going to be worth it for AAA games in the future like GTA 6.
32gb ddr4 3200mhz is like less than 80 €
It's well worth having those slots filled, especially when the Corsair ram I have actually sell fake sticks of light up not ram for almost the same price as the real thing.
@El Cactuar Thank you for correcting me.... I always thought that it was mhz due to seeing that symbol in the task manager...
Just went from 16 to 32gb on a 5600 non X / RX 6500 XT combo. And now i'm able to play Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty @ 30fps solid ! Meaning flat frame time, 1% low and 0.1% low lock to 30fps using RTSS, not a single drop from 30fps resulting in a great smooth experience which was not possible with only 16Gb because when the game occasionally needed more i was getting hiccups/stutter. 60fps being not achievable with a 6500XT in native 1080p it was my 1st test and it shown.
I went from 8gb ram to 32gb and saw a decent rise in performance. Typically 15-20% better frames and it became much more stable. The drops smoothed right out.
Then i replaced my power supply from a 460w to a 650w gold. Thjngs got even more stable and my temperatures dropped because of the more consistant and reliable power draw.
Then i replaced the factory thermal paste even though it was only 2 years old because i know every manufacturer cheaps out on thermal paste. Then i saw my fan speeds drop considerably. My gpu and cpu were running the same temp because they were already decently low. But now my rig is half as loud, if even that.
I did these upgradez while waiting for GPU prices to come down. And last month i finally scooped up my new rx6750xt.
My system is everything ive wanted and more, for a downright reasonable price in my opinion.
Last year I upgraded my 8 year old PC to extend it's life. Primary reason was I wanted to run Flight Simulator and the PC was not quite up to minimum spec. First I upgraded the power supply just for safety. Then I upgraded my 8G DDR3 RAM to 32G. BEST MOVE EVER. Then I upgraded my RTX740 to a 3050. This is a PCI-E V4 card but was backwards compatible with the PCIE-3 motherboard. Finally, as a general upgrade, I moved to a SSD boot drive. Very happy with the results and I can run MSFS on ULTRA setting without a problem. When it comes time for the major upgrade the video card, SSD and power supply will all go into the new system. Without a doubt the RAM up[grade was the biggest overall performance boost to the system.
Honestly I don't think upgrading to 32gb of ram is a waste, seeing the increase in ram requirements in upcoming games,upgrading now when prices are stable is a good decision
Hmm ... I got 16GB of DDR4 for my new system build in 2017, but one of the two 8GB modules was faulty. But I saw another kit real cheap on eBay, so I bought that, and then got too lazy to send my first one back for warranty replacement. More recently, I was thinking I should get that (lifetime) warranty replacement done, then I can have a 32GB system ... but now I'm feeling lazy again ...
I have 32gb on my Ryzen 5 2600 build, the motherboard is the Asrock A320M-HDV Rev 4.0 so could only fit 2x16s but between the capable Ryzen, a ton of fastish RAM, main drive is a fast m.2 SSD 1tb and a RX570 8gb and I can tackle most titles easily and with good settings too. Not just games either, Davinci Resolve is lightning fast rendering quite sizeable video, I do love my lickle Ryz5 rig... 8-10 secs from power on to desktop in Win 11...
I've used 32GB years ago. It allowed me to alt-tab when playing big games w/o "low memory" warnings. Note : I disabled virtual pagefile to lessen my SSD writing.
Great video as always I don’t see many doing videos about performance per watt in the uk that would make a cool video I think making the best power efficient set up
just want to point out that even when these sticks look the same they may be completely different, may have different die, dram manufacturer, ranks , 16gb sticks for example are generally dual rank(with a few exceptions) where's 8gb sticks are generally single rank(with a few exceptions) , dual rank is faster but have less overclocking potential, it's also more compatible with problematic ryzen cpus from my experience, different die letter & dram manufacturer will result in slightly different performance too even on the same timings
If you could please include at least one sim game benchmark. For example Sim City Skylines, Factorio or Oxygen Not Included. These are the type of games that many (adult) gamers with entry level setups play.
As long as you don't max out the RAM, more RAM will generally not improve anything. However, more RAM will ensure you won't eat up valuable memory if you want to run programs in the background like discord, browsers, music and so on. A typical gaming rig today would probably benefit from double the RAM of what your games will require, to allow for background programs like I just mentioned.
Yet in the video the 0.1% lows were improved in basically every game by running 32GB, sometimes almost double compared to 16GB.
@@oxfordsparky That is because he exceeds 16GB of RAM when using 32GB. Accounting for Windows and other stuff on top of that, it is evident 16GB in this case is not enough.
virtual memory helps in this case
@@PhobetorXVII Actually it doesn't. Virtual Memory is using disk space as RAM and a drive/SSD is typically no where near fast enough to compensate for RAM. A typical SSD M.2 drive is around 10% the speed of DDR5 RAM. And in this case the RAM is much faster than the SSD.
I think more RAM is the ocean that lifts all boats, esp if you've got a budget or entry level gaming rig. Because I like to save power I would go for the highest RAM speed with the lowest voltage at the maximum size for both desktop & laptop.
Ive not even watched this yet, but the title alone has grabed me. You keep bashing these vids out, so relevant to me personally, and im sure with the state of afairs in most countries, its the type of money saving or super useful tests consumers appreciate.
Now ill watch the video 😄
Thank you. I always try and make relatable videos for all budgets :)
I'd love to see a follow up video that pits 8GB of RAM against 16GB of RAM.
I have my personal take on the current "memory issues" in PC gaming. For the main system memory, 8GB of DDR4/DDR5 RAM is on the way out and entry level builds should be planned with 16GBs of system memory from the outset. For discrete graphics card memory, 8GB of VRAM is also at the end of the line for anything above 1080p, 45fps, medium settings graphics and builds targeting 60fps/1080p without immediately having to fall back to DLSS/FSR will need to have at least 12GB VRAM.
Personally, I have 32GB in my build I put together after this past Black Friday, but I mainly bought 32GB for future proofing so that I don't have to go RAM hunting in about four years from now when 16GB starts to become obsolete.
am running 32 as a low for 4k gaming but will upgrade to 64 soon and a newer cpu , gpu is a beast dont need to change that thankfully
*So i'd say this is a RAM SPEED situation more then just 16gigs is not enough i would really like this test redone on a DDR3 pc at 1866mhz vs 3200mhz vs DDR5 4800mhz at 16 and 32gigs config to see the differences*
Excellent benchmarks, like!
So you just have a 4070 laying around but you choose to use a 3050 instead?
Can you redo these tests but while broadcasting to twitch or sharing screen over discord? While having some music on chrome, just to have a real case scenario, i dont think many people is closing everything but the game to play
Some games like black desert online have a "performance mode" where it allots more ram into some kind of fancy limbo waiting room and it DOES in fact GREATLY increase fps.
So I've learnt from that 16gb is the perfect amount of ram for the 12400 and 3050 combo because given 2x the ram it will only use 16.5gb at the most and when you are on 16gb it Max's out at 14.3gb so the extra ram is doing nothing for gaming although it might be helpful for making videos or productivity apps but for the average gamers it's just waisted ram.
Even if your system does not run quad channel that is not an issue. Mostly server and data center MB's and CPU's are the only ones that run true quad channel. In regular high end MB's and CPUs they are mostly dual channel but that does not mean if you put four sticks of ram in only two will get used while the other two just look pretty. That is a bit of a misnomer. It will stull fully utilize all four sticks. Say you have 2x8 for 16GB and upgrade to 4x8 for 32GB. Each channel will now have 16GB of memory bandwidth not just 8GB. With quad each one is used independently from one another where as dual it works in pairs only. The only difference is the amount of usable bandwidth, quad is much higher than dual.
As long as they're the same timings and clockspeeds, I don't know why you wouldn't use all four sticks and have 48gb lol
I've used a heap of Corsair LPX DDR4 and I've never had different sized kits not play nicely with each other, to mitigate that concern
A nice coincidence. I happen to use the exact same 32gig RAM kit on my PC. Corsair Vengeance LPX is a great choice for gamers on a budget.
Yeah it’s great low cost stuff :)
i went from a laptop that had 8 GB of RAM and an integrated GPU to a PC with 16 GB of RAM with a dedicated GPU, then to another PC with 32 GB of RAM and only upgraded it recently to have 64 GB of RAM
fun.
Concerning Spider-Man Remastered, that was the one game that spurred me on to upgrade from 8GB of RAM, and I did actually see a massive improvement in-game after the upgrade. Though I might leave it a little longer for upgrading the rest of my rig, it's still doing pretty well for most of the games I play.
Was thinking of upgrading myself from 16 to 32 gigs, but after seeing this I don’t really think now is the time yet. I’d love to see however how 16 vs 32 gigs can handle much more RAM(and CPU) dependent games such as Cities: Skylines and Hearts of Iron IV, as in my experience those games are the ones that benefit from an upgrade to 32 gigs. Nonetheless, still a great video.
Will a storage device upgrade have any effect on .1% lows? going from an HDD to an SSD and even further to an M.2 NVME drive?
He has video testing 5400 rpm hdd vs ssd i think in gaming sometimg like that . There will be some difference between hdd and ssd in load times it will be a lot faster in gameplay maybe better0.1% lows . There isnt much difference between sata and nvme ssd
It can, especially if you have low vram GPU. Because it will help loading assets faster. My brother have 1060 3gb, and he got some stutters in Returnal and Dying Light 2 when they was on HDD. But after moving them to cheap Sata SSD frametime largely improved
It will help if you're low on RAM, paging/swapping to a HDD is waaaay more painful. Ideally you should have enough RAM to not run into that issue, though.
Yes it can. Especially on un optimizes games. Even on consoles. I added a ssd to my ps3 and demon souls had less frame drops.
If you want to know whether you need a RAM-Upgrade just check out the Windows "Task Manager" for the amount of Memory used, while things get laggy/slow. In the "Performance" Tab you will see which of the Computer Parts are running at their Limits. (CPU = Central Processor. GPU = Graphics Card). But, before you upgrade your Memory, check out the Processes, in case that there is a Process you didn´t expect to utilize so much RAM - with a right-click you may close it.
Nice, did you just get 2 extra 8GB ram sticks or got 2x16gb ?
i use to have 16 gb ram and i could only play warzone for maybe an hour before i couldnt gplay because i would only get 1 fps. i switched to 32 g ram in early 2022 and now i can play what ever i want with no problems
i dont know if u 16 gb per dimm kit is single or dual rank
Added 2 sticks of 8gb for a total of 4 sticks 32 gb (so each channel got 2 ranks available)
and stuttering issues got alleviated. i play e sport titles that never use more than a few gb of ram
performance improvement come from the extra ranks in my case.
Was a time RAM was expensive and you got what was available. Now RAM is fairly cheap and there are choices. When I build I tend to pack in the RAM... more than is needed because it won't hurt anything. I suspect in the future RAM and storage memory will become the same thing.
Thanks for the content! Any chance you can test the performance of the AM5 igpus? I'm trying to see how it performs on older titles like Minecraft and also on esports titles.
good to know. But how about dual vs quad channel vs double dual channel?
The only game I've seen big gains between 16Gb and 32Gb is Star Citizen.
21GB usage with no background apps open.
For me upgrading to 32GB from 16GB of RAM allowed The Last Us to actually load in without crashing due to RAM limitations.
The game itself not counting stuff in the background ate more than 12GB of RAM at times.
Especially when loading a new or save game.
tip: you can add RAM & VRAM usage metric for the game process in the OSD on afterburner
Good to know about the content creation side though.
I upgraded to 32Gb of that same ram last year. I didn't notice any difference in anything other than audio production (Ableton 11)
I did this very upgrade just a week ago. Bought the same exact 2x8Gb kit, that I already had. Only back in 2020, when I built this PC, it cost 75€, but now it was 37€
0.1% lows is all it matters. It’s a huge deal to have less stutters. That’s why I bought 32gb. Life saver in new games that poorly optimised for 8gb vram cards like Hogwarts Legacy. For sure buying new gpu is ideal, but extra 16gb of ram will delay gpu upgrade for couple of years. Also huge quality of life improvement, I no longer worry to close any programs to play the game.
You need to undestand, at most titles, the ram usage is always higher on 3gb
That is NOT necessarily becaus the game is using more ram, that is because when you ahve 32gb ram, the windows uses lot more ram to allocate to other tasks that runs windows basically
Basially if u see idle ram usage of windows with all apps loaded, 32gb will have 2-4 gb higher
The difference in price (pre-BF 2023)
CAS 16 3200Mhz DDR4 RAM was exactly $20 to go from 16 to 32. Snagged it and overclocked to 3600Mhz CAS 16. $20? No brainer. This is on 12600K... which isn't technically entry level but considering it's now 2024 I'd say mid range at best.
Great video! I have an idea for one. Ryzen 5 5500 vs Ryzen 5 3500x on a RX 6500XT. As the 5500 has HT and pcie 3.0 vs the 3500x that has pcie 4.0 plus doble the L3 cache but no HT it will be an interesting comparison when both are paired with an RX 6500XT infamous pcie bandwidth
Hello rghd, can you test a used processor for a few years vs. a new one in the box, it would be interesting to see if they deteriorate and lose performance
I had the Ryzen 7 2700x with 2x 8GB RAM.
Now i got the Ryzen 7 5800x3D 4x 8GB RAM.
Lets just say all 4 RAM Slots filled, the PC looks more beefy from the insides through the glas panel. 😁
your vids are great. subbed
You should do a video on Atlas, LTT did their own but it would be cool to see the difference with Sandy Bridge or older generations of CPUs that are over a decade old, and not just something from barely 6 years ago that’s still very competent and not actual e-waste by today’s standards outside of W11 support.
I tried it on my HTPC that uses an i5-3470, and it felt noticeably snappier.
as charitable refurbishers we are watching the Atlas thing very closely, if it makes a viable and usable free alternative to ubuntu and OS Flex (which we currently use as a Windows alternative) it's going to be a hit with our end users
In these kinda tests I'd always love to see some realistic usage situations on top of gaming say discord open, a could google chrome tabs as rarely is someone just gaming these days without something else open in a clean system like test.
I'd like to see a comparison between 32gb of 3200mhz and 16gb of faster ram that costs the same as the 32gb to see which is the best choice
Starting the obvious, but It doesn't seem like you stressed the system to see the benefits of more ram. You just kept the same setuo as with the lower ram... so what's the point of the test? If you're running the test where it plays comfortably on your lower end ram then why would more ram make any significant difference? You should add more applications into the mix then test. That's the benefit of more ram,. Otherwise, gaming is largely handled by the processor/gpu setup.
Instead of looking at 32 GB of RAM, stick with the 16 GB and just buy faster RAM instead. I changed from DDR4 3600 to DDR4 4400 on my Ryzen 5800x and it was noticeable. I am still running 32 GB of RAM (and was with the 3600 as well) but if you are looking at just gaming 16 GB is enough for most anything you throw at it.
That said, there are some games...I played 7 Days to Die with the Undead Legacy overhaul mod and I got up to 28 GB or RAM usage. So some unoptimized mods for some games can actually make use of the extra RAM, but it's rare.
Capacity is less of a concern - it's the latency, speed and number of ranks that can make the biggest difference. Especially on Ryzen 3000/5000 series it gets really noticeable.
The performance difference is likely due to 4 ranks vs 2 ranks. And of course, that difference will be higher with better cpu and gpu, especially at higher fps and with ryzen cpus due to the way cache works in those cpus, x3d cpus as well, but more important with non-x3d.
i have a i7 10700k and upgraded from 32gb 3200mhz too 32GB 3600Mhz and i noticed yah in benchmarks i am getting a above average cpu performance !! Cinebench R15 , 3dMarch plus CPU Z benchmark and i notice i get better FPS and improved 1% lows with my RTX 2070 Super FE !!! i was pleasantly surprised at the improvement !!! so yes more ram and higher MHZ does increase performance
@elcactuar3354 MT/s is basically effective MHz so he's not wrong , if you want to be super specific then MT/s is also wrong and more correct one would be Mbps
refer to "MT/s is a horrible unit. Mbps is the SUPERIOR unit for refering to effective memory speeds" < Buildzoid
I have a i5 12600k with a 4070ti. It works fine but I'd love to upgrade to a 13900ks when the prices drop. I'm a bit wary of doing this on my Gigabyte Z690 gaming mb. It would be great if you could possibly make a video upgrading your setup in the future which would help me out a lot.
To see the difference, you need to use 4x8, not 2x16 :)
Did you already establish a RAM upgrade in the form of *MORE* ram makes hardly any difference in modern gaming PC's regardless of "entry level"? Unless you're going from 4GB to 16GB, there is no difference in gaming performance. Now, VRAM will make a difference. Not DRAM, not in gaming applications, and not running 1 game looking for a performance boost. Running 3 multiplayer games and streaming, and watching TH-cam at the same time...yes.
So what have we learned? It's purely situational. When did we learn that more RAM is situational? In the early 90's.
I have no doubt 32GB is the new minimum with several new games out using near or well over 16GB RAM. This is just the beginning and the best time to pick up two more sticks, especially with newer Ryzen CPUs. They get more fps with 4 DIMMs occupied, as counter intuitive as that may sound to my RAM OC homies. I have a discontinued 16GB Samsung B-die kit and waited near a year until a match popped up on eBay to get me to 32GB. Thank god the seller had no idea how rare the kit is, I got it for $35. I would have paid at least $60.
Ive just upgraded to 32 GB from 16 GB just to be able to play Hogwarts Legacy. That game almost always goes over 18GB of ram usage and causes the worst stutters and frame drops. 16 GB used to be the sweet spot but with games becoming more demanding, I think 32 Gb is now the sweet spot.
its all kinda in the hands of the devs and if they just build for console in the end...i know you spend alot of time on these tests but if you could include star citizen that would be awesome ..otherwise great video
I have the suspicion that your 16gb ram setup is running in single rank. Thats the thing with 2, 8gb sticks. manufactures don't put these specs on the box but most 8gb sticks are usually single rank meaning 1 sided chips and not double sided on their PCB like most 16gb/32gb sticks are, while the 4x8gb sticks or 2x16gb sticks are dual rank and it does make a difference as I've seen it myself going from 16gb to 32gb ram. I think CPU Z will tell you what your setup is running so check it out on there because I think that's the only difference we are seeing here when the games use under 16gb even on the 32gb.
Basically as expected for just gaming. Def more interesting for people who try to run OBS studio while gaming to stream on twitch or generally productivity uses that do make use of more RAM.
Big question mark will be how these changes behave once more UE5 titles hit the market - might be worth to rerun this test half and/or 1 year from now once we enter the very dragged out crossgen era we are still in.
Why are the % lows so different when the RAM usage is
I was considering/planing to upgrade my ram to 32gb from 16gb but after watching this video, i think i should postpone my plan. Last of us on PC eats up all my ram (16gb) plz make a video on last of us 16gb vs 32gb of ram