32GB Isn’t Enough - 32 vs 64 vs 96GB DDR5 RAM
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32GB Isn’t Enough - 32 vs 64 vs 96GB DDR5 RAM
32GB of DDR5 memory may no longer be enough for gamers who want the absolute best performance as it looks like Windows 11 will cache an absolutely absurd amount of RAM when possible to improve the performance. The question is should you really buy more than 32GB of RAM, or is the performance increase so small that it’s not worth it.
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Tech truly have advanced.
@@JTL1776 and now 32gb DDR4 ram have same price with 32gb DDR5 ~ 🗿
I believe 32gigs of RAM is enough. Outside of a few games, most are not going to be using that much RAM. There are apps like Discord or twitch in the browser, that have no business using the amount of RAM they use 🧐.
32 gigs is enough for 95% of people.
Most people don't play a lot of different games in 4K, edit high quality videos for TH-cam, stream or do all three of those at the same time.
Most people don't have a 7800x3d with a top 2 graphics card either. Both of which are going to result in better efficiency, higher textures, and a larger cache.
And even if they did, you want your system to cache as much as possible anyway. You bring it up here as if that's a bad thing, which it's not.
So is having 96GB of RAM good? Of course. The days of having *too much* RAM are behind us. But is 96GB needed for most people? Not at all, unless they're doing all the things I mentioned above and they play a ton of games at the same time with max settings.
32GB is plenty for most gamers, and more than enough in most cases. If RAM usage gets abnormally high you can always clean up your system...
But I play 4K max settings all day with 32GB and a 6 core 7600X and I don't run into any issues with RAM utilization at all.
Terrible. The fact you used 6600mt versus two 6400mt kits is enough to flush the whole testing down the toilet but then on top of this you did not mention the timings of each kit. This testing sucks dude. Change your title and I will have some respect for you otherwise you're just a click baiting liar
Windows caching will always try to fill up your RAM, filling up the RAM with cached data is a good thing. Everything that is read off a storage device is read into RAM before it goes to the CPU or GPU (until DirectStorage becomes the norm), what the cache does is leave all that data in RAM after it's been used so that you don't need to read it from storage the next time you access it. Windows can also load things into cache things that it expects you to use at some point.
The thing to remember is that the cache is flexible, it takes up whatever slack there is in your RAM but it's also given the lowest priority so Windows will start dumping things out of the cache to make space for programs (e.g. games) that are running. If you look at the memory stats in Win10 (presumably 11 as well) Task Manager, you can see that the amount of data that's cached is counted as part of the 'available' stat and not the 'in use' stat.
As for 0.1% lows; the amount of RAM you have limits how much the game can precache (load things into cache well before they're needed) textures, models etc. If there isn't enough free RAM for it to precache things and it has to load them from storage at the time they're needed, you could see a stutter while that process happens. If you have a shitload of RAM the game engine can, for example, precache stuff that's further away from you in the game environment so you never reach a point where the game engine is like *hol' up 0.2s while I load something* cos that load already happened in the background or during a loading screen.
That's why RAM affects 0.1% lows greatly but barely affects average and 1% lows.
Great explanation! 👍
excellent explanation, appreciate it you took the time to write this up
bandwidth & latency also play a roll since differen’t applications also utilize those parts when talking about ram.
other then that, solid explication
RAM capacity matters 0.1% lows you mean.
@@dex4sure361 absolutely. the only time capacity is bad is when you are heavily overclocking
My first PC I bought when I was a kid had 4MB RAM. Not GB. Ran at 16 megahertz. Had an EGA graphics card that could display 16 colors all at the same time. I love how far tech has come over the years. I've basically never stopped upgrading since then. My next upgrade is to 64GB.
what TV is that on your pfp
@fuckingmetaldude My first computer had 64kB of RAM and 1mhz CPU
@@lurch789 Dude, making a game like Starfield requires absolutely massive amount of money and many years of continouous hard work by hundreds and hundreds of people.
It's completely unrealistic to expect it to be cheaper than the primitive games of the past.
@@user-eu5ol7mx8yNot to mention it takes millions of dollars to make games like that.
@@lurch789You can still get a good pc for 1,000 dollars. What are you talking about. Things get more expensive over time because they get better. You can’t expect something to have the same price point over 20 years ago. Especially considering that in those times, games weren’t nearly as impressive as they are now. We come to a point that we have graphics that look real. Compared to 20 or more years ago where you can tell that it’s a video game.
32GB is enough
And will be enough for the next 10 years at the very very least
@@CJ-bp7ecI can see it being enough for at least 4-5 years, but not 10 years, unless you just do the bare minimum like web browsing. I hosted a modded server for just me and my brother and I saw multiple times saw 50+ gigs utilization, and games like Howarts Legacy easily consumes like 20+ gigs alone, so expect that not so distant games to start to require 32gb if you want the full experience.
@@CJ-bp7ecnobody can predict the future imagine someone saying 8gb is enough 10 years ago
not for 4K gaming.. I see up to 46GB usage consistently on my 64GB system while 4K gaming + light multitasking. I'm currently debating on switching to a 96GB DR kit for more workflow, but not sure if I will be able to achieve the same low latency I have now with the 64GB DR kit. This was one of the points I was making with a 3070 8GB + 64GB DR tuned, not having any stutter issues in 4K gaming.
@@CJ-bp7ec32 GB isn't enough for my default open browser tabs let alone the other five programs I run at the same time. 🤣
I am playing games at 4k with a 7800x3d and RTX4090 on windows 11, and no issue 32GB...no stutter, nothing...smooth game play 100% of the time.
This 64-96 of ram i think only can be good if you have more ram by creating in unreal engine or in some other powerful tool
I purchased the 7800x3d for 384 on newegg. now its on sale for just 345 on amazon. i was hosed . how much did you pay for that monster? 2080 ti is on sale on amazon for 350 i wonder if its just as good as the one you have
@@charlesgiannone2413 i got the 4090 for 2k eur but sold my 3090 for 800eur. The 2080ti is an ok gpu but the 7800x3d is total over kill for it but good for future proofing your system. I would get 7700x and a better gpu if I were you, you will get more performance.
@@charlesgiannone2413#1 rule is to never go back and look at the price of things you bought in the world of PC parts, it’s always gonna be cheaper lmao.
Hey, What mobo and power supply are you using ?
Also which 4090 variant? And which RAM exactly?
I keep having stutters with my high end system and can't figure out why so I'll replace my parts with EXACTLY yours one by one to see who the culprit is.
(Also let me know if you started having stutters since you posted this comment)
Also which monitor, mouse, and keyboard do you use? (At this point, it could be anything because I've spent a year trying to figure it out)
😂 I remember being a kid at PC world when my family bought our first computer back in 98 and the PC had 32mb of Ram, guy was raving about how much memory 6GBs is and that we would never fill it up.
That guy was correct. For a PC bought in 1998 there wouldn't be a game that would even come close to using 6GB of ram in the lifetime of that PC. From what I remember, the very first game to actually use 1GB of ram as a recommended spec was Ever Quest 2 which came out in the early 2000's.
I had 128mb of ram n pentium 4
Just kids in this conversation, I bought my first commodore 64 and it had 64 KB of ram, you guys would of loved the early 90's, there were computer shows all around at hotels and what not that you could get the latest stuff, ram, chips motherboards, drives etc. I had to back off because of nerd ocd was putting me in debt. I still got my sound blaster speakers I'm using now that came with the sound blaster card for the old 486, they don't make stuff to last like they used too.
@@billnoname8093 People who bought their first PC 25 years ago are "kids."
@@nimrodery in perspective of my age they are. I'm old enough to be their parents, My step son was a kid in the 90's, and they will always be kids to us. You'll understand when you get older.
It would also be nice to see how the 48GB kits compare between the 32 and 64 kits. There are a lot of these for DDR5 now that are dual rank so it's more relevant.
Oh you wanted a relevant video and not this?
Windows uses almost ALL of your (leftover memory after allocations) as a cache. All you have to do is run programs and open data files. There is really no performance downside to it, the cache never gets swapped out to disk, the read cache can be discarded instantly to satisfy a memory allocation, and the write cache generally hides how slow your storage really is. It's really no surprise that with more memory you have somewhat better performance since its less likely to discard something that's about to be used. The problem is, memory isn't free and at some point you need to draw the line on how much money you want to spend vs what that memory gets you.
Not only is 32GB enough for literally everyone that doesn’t specifically know why they need more, but smaller capacity chips can generally clock tighter and faster - all other things being equal.
A-Die vs M-Die, single rank vs dual rank, prioritizing frequency OR choosing tighter timings latency. You know, things that would’ve made a good video.
My last build had 32. This time I went with 64 and regret nothing! I've literally seen 40+ being used while gaming with just a Twitch stream up (I wasn't streaming that time) in the background and Discord for our voice chat. I do video editing and stream as well so that was a big driver for me getting 64 in the first place.
I'd say 32 is still really solid especially if all you're really doing is gaming, but personally I think if you're building new from here forward just get a 64 GB kit and not worry about it from there forward. Games and programs are getting bigger and more complex so I'm sure we'll see more benefits from more RAM soon (outside of having ALL the Chrome tabs open at once).
I usually have 100+ chrome tabs, a bunch of game launchers, etc open and the most ive ever seen with 32GB ram is 28GB usage. System was not slowing down. I believe its one of those cases where just because its using that much does not mean it needs that much.
Trust me, this guy will need 128gb in 5 years time....
@@Jtwizzle
Yeah, doubt you'll even notice ever...
Would you have 20 4k videos with 2GB of stream loaded on them (~5 minutes each, assuming 50Mbps) to warrant 40GB+ use?
And most ssds are so fast that it shouldn't be hard to load things back in quickly
@@LuqmanHM The games that will eventually "like" having 128gb will almost certainly require a new machine (GPU and CPU) as well.
I agree wholeheartedly.
Just out of curiosity, did you go with DDR5 on your most recent build? I ask as beyond 64GB seems to provide trouble with XMP on the latest RAM.
If you're just gaming, a good 32gb or maybe 48gb kit is more than enough. If you're doing a load of stuff in the background or have huge workloads then maybe more could help. For an average user, 32gb is still more than enough.
Here's the thing about Windows, the more RAM it sees the more it uses.
For the past 10 years I've ran 32GB in all my systems, but going forward the minimum I will use is 64, but I am really interested in the 96GB kits.
get 128gb, its awesome
@@california_dreamier would agree. 128 isn't much more than 96
The prob is ddr5 would have to run slower than 5600 with 4 sticks. Or else it's very unstable, until they come out with 64gb 5600 ram sticks, 96 is the the highest amount you could go without sacrificing 800mhz of speed. Although I do much more than gaming the principle still applies, most boards don't support 5800+ if not all I think some am5 will hit a 6000 dual channel sweet spot on am5...at 48gb. Dual channel > quad channel ddr5 for the time being if your going higher than 64gb.
@@onomatopoeia16200332 more gb isn’t a lot more
@@JjJetplanIs 96GB the new limit? I was tracking anything greater than 64GB was an issue for DDR5 previously.
I actually just went from 32GB to 64GB just a week ago. Crazy that you posted this today!
How do you feel by upgrading 32gb to 64 gb ? I have ddr5 6000 mhz 32 gb and considering to buy 64 gb same specs, just playing game no render etc. İ just want my pc is snappy and smooth er gameplay if it helps
@@vega748 if you go for that upgrade make sure to have only 2 ram sticks in total so you can run them dual ranked which helps performance wise as using 16x4 dimm slots might be damaging yourperformance and fps
How many slots did you use with the 32, 64, 96 kits? In other words, how many sticks of RAM in each kit? Because there are performance upgrades there... single vs dual vs quad channel memory. 😅😅😅
I think unless you're streaming, 32gb is plenty. If you can afford more, have at it.
I love how insane you seem in your intros lmao
Did mans just twerk 😂😂😂
I've got 64GB 2x32 G.SKILL Z5 6000MHz with Ryzen 7950X3D and RX 7900 XTX
And i am tempted to get a 192GB RAM kit for the lulz 😂
I suspect lows differences are because of the memory structure. At the dawn of SSD those with larger volume would also have significantly faster speeds. Because of parallelization. Maybe this is something about memory controllers, which are now on sticks iirc or the way memory chips are connected or their particular type.
That was for sure the craziest and maybe the weirdest intro I have seen yet. 🤪
An additional question id have is would there be a benefit from have 4 sticks or just 2 sticks of ram if i went with ether 64 or 96gb set ups?
2 sticks if you want to run them on higher speeds. 4 sticks only if you need 128gb or 192gb but only will be able to run at 4800mhz or 5200mhz.
For now 32gb is enough for gaming only purpose with no multitask or background apps open.
Some people has some many unnecessary installed apps working in the background and have no clue that's why they have high ram usage.
I would love to see more games tested at 4K
Interesting video - thanks for posting. I would love to see you test Baldur’s Gate 3 (I don’t know if there’s an easy benchmark yet, though) or Forspoken (since that is supposed to be pretty memory hungry.)
It´s a memory hungry. I have to load a few time the last save and the memory used was like 20 GB of ram of my 32. When that happen I start to get really bad 0,1% low like 20 fps. But for rest I still get like and AVG of 100 fps at 1440p
@@carlospuig15 FPS is going to rely on the gpu more then memory.
@@TheSjuris then why after restar the game, the memory goes to normal and the 0,1% and 1% where normal. The issue was something related to memory RAM, they already patch that issue.
My rule of thumb since the early 90s, go double the standard of the day. 4mb get 8mb (1993)
8gb get 16gb etc. My last build the standard was 16gb so I got 32gb.
My next build will be 64gb if the standard is still 32gb.
I’ve always done that myself. Usually try and get a few extra cores if possible for editing as well.
Tech Deals guy. I have heard him say get doubled the system ram than your GPU has or something to that affect. Or the other channel is Byte size tech.
@@onomatopoeia162003 love their livestreams.
I have 64Gb Ddr 4, because I don't upgrade my computer often. I did notice a difference in alot of things. Alot of programs almost seemed like they didn't have to load at all. And they may have been sitting in ram. I have considered getting another 64gb considering ram is still pretty cheap for Ddr4
Huh, first of April again? How long have I slept?
That's interesting, I'd definitely be curious to see more games tested and also Intel
ByteSizeTech: See? I told you! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ 64GB is the current recommended amount.
lol. True. Just like him and his wife say. When you upgrade. You upgrade.
32 is enough. Hell, right now 16 is enough for games. But usage only goes up. I wouldn’t upgrade, but if building a new rig I would toss in 64
Not for rust!
As someone who runs soundboards, noise suppression software, voice modulators, headset EQ software, AND streaming the highest possible quality image to my VR headset along with running 3 extra programs for that alone... 32 is nowhere near enough... Call me insane, but I went with 128gbs DDR5 6000mhz (of course lower speed clock due to stability issues even after 3 years of DDR5) and I'm using A TON of ram.
But for those who arent doing what I'm doing, 32gbs is great, 64gbs is more than enough and anything high is overkill. But, in the end, it comes down to what the user intends on doing with their system.
Ha ha... the intros never fail to make me chuckle! 😆 Anyway, my basic work laptop has so much network, company policy, and security software, running constantly, it sucks up all the basic 16gb ram, and draws several gb of SSD virtual memory. It needs to run 32gb just to cover company-installed software and still be able to use multiple large Excel spreadsheets without regular crashes...
Most games I do consumes around 2 to 3 GB memory.32 is enough if you're not going to do anything else at the same time. More things you open, the more RAM you'll need. 64 makes everything smooth and less laggy.
Great video man, I guess it comes down to how deep your pocket goes and the care factor of your 1% lows.
Would you rather that your memory be completely unused or used to cache stuff? I see this a lot with people running Linux - they complain that the kernel uses a bunch of memory so there's not much free - what they fail to understand is that unused/free memory is basically wasted, but cached stuff speeds up your system and if applications need that memory it can be made available at a split seconds notice. I am pretty sure it's the same for Windows.
LMFAO man tried twerking at 0:08
wtf is with the into????
It also depends on what you are running in the background. As a web designer, blogger, and gamer, and a technical contractor for a P.I., I usually game while having all sorts of software running. I also do not run my machine with virtual memory. You would not believe what data you can extract from that, plus, although I have not tested it, I am sure the computer will run a bit better without a virtual disk. If you do need to run a virtual disk, I suggest you encrypt it and have it delete itself on shutdown. I find 64 gigs serves my purpose, plus, memory is inexpensive today, why would anyone be against having a ton of memory. I remember when 128k cost me $400.
🤣 OMG, your a nutter, but a funny one.
Your video entries always make me laugh, and I really needed a laugh today. 😂 Cheers.
if we're talking specifically about gaming, 32gb is a decent target to take advantage of caching and light multitasking (like watching a video while playing a game, maybe a web browser and a couple tabs.), 64gb is a good futureproofing ammount for gaming specific workloads, this satisfies any streaming sofware like obs, a browser with a bunch of tabs open, caching more data from larger games, having lots of open background applications (teams, discord, icue, etc.). I'm personally a pretty heavy multitasker, I usually have about 1000 firefox tabs open (most of them asleep), obs, icue, teams, steam, and my game and I've used 128gb of ram for the past 5 or so years over 2 different platforms 3700x/x470 and 5950x/x570 and given how incredibly cheap ddr4 is these days, if you already have a top tier cpu and a top tier gpu (spend your money there first), going to 128gb of memory makes sense imo. ddr5, being very much more expensive right now, I'd probably be a bit more frugal, for gaming specific workloads 64gb is still a premium setup, but given I also do video production and heavy web multitasking and streaming, etc. I'd probably still go with 128gb of ddr5 if financially feasible.
Believe it or not most experts agree that 16GB is still the sweetspot even for 4k gaming. I have a 32GB just because I use my PC as a workstation every now and then. Buying 64GB is probably a bad idea, by the time its actually recommended for gaming the generation of RAM and all the other copoenets will (likely) be obsolete and you won't be able to use the RAM in the next generation of motherboard.
@@alexoelkers2292 I'm an it consultant. I'm very familiar with a large number of workloads and memory requirements. Yes you can get away with 16gb if you run absolutely nothing in the background but if you have utility programs such as Dropbox, OneDrive, backblaze, RGB software like icue or armory crate, a web browser with a bunch of tabs, chat apps like discord, mumble, or maybe you want to stream your games and have obs studio running, maybe you have Outlook Open in the background, maybe you're watching a TH-cam video or a local blu ray rip on a second or third monitor. It all adds up. 16gb hasn't been enough for a little while now unless you painstakingly strip your background services and do nothing but run the one game. 32gb is the frugal sweet spot and if you do any kind of workstation stuff like CAD or video editing or cg art or those kind of things 64gb is highly recommended. I have 128gb in my machine which comes in handy for multitasking and virtual machines as well as disk caching. When I'm playing games, I can pre-cache close to the entire game in memory most of the time just by running a stream integrity check (because it reads all the files unto ram and then loading times become ridiculously fast.
When running 2 monitors you can be gaming on one and watching vids on the other - along with Discord and other applications. Is it the Windows operating system or software not working well with different applications?
It would be awesome to see ddr4 testing also 32 vs 64
The gaming benefit you are seeing is not from the capacity increase. Its because All 16GB sticks of DDR5 are single rank. Moving up to 32GB sticks, you get dual rank sticks. Which performs better. Just like with DDR4 RAM. You would also get the same benefit, with four 8GB sticks. As that physically introduces more than 2 ranks. Or four 16GB sticks, for that matter.
Windows is probably working with the ram manufacturers to try to get consumers to buy bigger, faster and of course, more expensive ram.
😂😂😂
I'm waiting until 64gb DDR5 sticks are available and then I'll get a G Skill Trident Z5 2x64 7200mhz kit.
Need to run a test when streaming and playing games to put a good load on the system.
normally 32 is enough even with streaming and gaming
those hip thrusts and dorky moves bro...
Got my knees weak god dangggg
Eww bruh. Foh
I set my system up the old school way and I always make a custom virtual memory swap space in my system and use a M.2 SSD for it and I make it always double the size of my system ram, so I have 64gigs in the system so I made it 128gigs cap and 8gigs minimum. While gaming if I monitor the virtual memory with HWinfo64 it uses about 15-50% of it depending on the game. It's basically your cache, the system uses the virtual memory for the GPU and system ram to offload data faster, it will preload it there before it goes to memory, I also think it's related to the new storage tech for games ..like Direct Storage.
Dude, what was that intro, lol😂😂😂
I'm using 64GB RAM on my Windows PC but I do feel 32GB RAM should be more than enough for regular use case and gaming on a Windows PC. The only reason to go above is if you can actually utilize that higher amount of RAM.
On my Linux mini-PC which is my daily driver, 32GB RAM is almost overkill.
I maintain both my Windows & Linux systems well and getting a higher amount of RAM just for gaming and the almost insignificant boost it may provide is simply not worth it. Save that money and get a better GPU instead. 😗
W video - 96GB/2x48GB DDR5-6800 CL34 runs like butter on my Z790 Extreme/i9-13900KS/4090 OC rig and it's a great sweet spot between pure gaming performance and someone with legitimate workstation needs who doesn't want to dish out $15k CAD for an ADA RTX 6000 GPU alone or have the space for two rigs.
Excellent. I have the same setup as well fo workstation purpose.
CASE: ASUS ROG HYPERION GR701
CPU: INTEL I9-13900KS
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS Z790 PROART CREATOR WIFI
RAM: G.SKILL TRIDENT Z 96GB DDR5 6800MHZ CL34
GRAPHICS CARD: ASUS ROG STRIX RRX 4090 OC 24GB
PSU: ASUS ROG THOR 1200 P2 PLATINUM
COOLER: ASUS ROG RYUJIN III 360 ( PUSH-PULL CONFIGURATION )
CASE FANS: BEQUIET SILENTS WINGS PRO 4 140mm × 4 and 120mm × 9.
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PROJECT DRIVE 2: SEAGATE FIRECUDA 530 4TB NVME SSD
PROJECT DRIVE 3: TEAMGROUP T-FORCE CARDEA Z440 2TB NVME SSD
CACHE DRIVE 4: SEAGATE FIRECUDA 530 500GB NVME SSD.
They went to the effort of sending you 3 kits of RAM and all you did was test 2 games?
Is this some kind of joke?
I don't think you understand exactly what he was testing lol
@@jakehutchens please enlighten me
I'm on 6GB of DDR2, thinking about upgrading. When I achieve about 30+ tabs open it starts to slow down.
The 96GB set is almost as expensive as my motherboard 😂😂
Well, for running a single application / game 32GB could be enough, but if I have dozens of application running and constantly switching between the application back and forth, like Solidworks, PS, vscode, blender, VMs I definitely need 64GB, 96GB, 128GB or even more. This is actually not the edge case but how I'm using my PC at the moment.
Are the .1% low even worst on 16gb?
It seems like the transition from 32gb to 64gb is going faster than from 16gb to 32gb was
investigate by yourself fisrt before lisent to a guy sponsored by ddr memories that is telling you to buy more ddr
@@IvanScore4life it's funny cuz not long ago he was saying that 16gb was fine for gamers lol
16GB was the sweet spot in Win7
you belive what u want man, im using less than 16 gb with games an apps open, as he said at the beginning of the video in a timid way, if you clean windows periodically with simple steps in youtube videos you can easily fix the use of ddr memory @@jakehutchens
@@IvanScore4life Good point
Just enough memory is never enough.
Meh, with this inflation and RAM prices, I went with 64, just in case prices go up. Anyway, the governament is robbing me of money left and right through inflation, might as well be spent in something I use.
I'd love to see memory utilization when you load up a game, Discord, web browser, and other apps/utilities, all at the same time. I think this is where memory will start to matter more.
I run autocad and inventor at the same time and TH-cam and some work software. I have 32 gb of ram in it utilizes 25% just idling and playing a video. And about 50-60% if I kick on a game as well. Not sure what it allocates.
@@gabrielmccray3457 I have 32G in my gaming/personal laptop. I am running Discord, Teams, Steam and have Chrome open. My memory utilization is 40%. That's just under 13G, so I wonder what happens in a 16G machine when actually running a game? I know there is "allocation" which is different than actual use. I'm not sold on the idea that 32 isn't enough, at least for now.
@@tclark5481the gain it would give doesn't warrant spending the extra cash.
showcasing games like planet coaster, zoo or citiskylines would be very helpful as they are a completely different beast in games. thank you,
32GB is more than enough for general gamers. That said, I have 48 myself and kinda wanna upgrade to 64. ;)
Is 64gb of RAM worth it if I'm going to have multiple applications/stupid game launchers open at the same time?
That intro. ☠️
0.1% is 10x less often than 1%. I wouldn't worry about 0.1%
i think using a "dirty" windows is proper as most every day people dont do a fresh install until they get a new version of windows.... or like every 2-3 years.
I went to go with 64gbs of DDR5 Ram and took a while to keep retraining the memory everytime it loads so 32 is enough right now until after DDR5 has been around a bit.
honestly chrome and web browsing is the main thing that I notice eats up a lot of ram. theirs a lot of web pages where I notice that 32 is just no longer enough, especially if you have two monitors and multitask a lot, I plan on upgrading my ram from 32 to 64 soon, not to mention windows also runs a lot smoother. I also use other programs while doing other stuff like gaming, such as discord while web browsing so yes, more ram does make web browsing smoother and load faster.
It depends in a lot of cases, I've got a pretty fresh install of Windows 11 and I'm using a 5900X and 4090, I had a lot of issues with my motherboard and my XMP when using 4x16gb so I ended up taking 2 out after a bad BIOS update so I'm using 32gb right now and I've not even noticed that it was halved despite playing some demanding games like Last of Us Part 1, Hogwarts Legacy, Cyberpunk and MW3
this video is really good and hella important.. also its 9months old
If I can suggest something content wise I would appreciate this video re done with maybe also a 2x 24GB DDR5 sticks (if corsair has these also) and see if this results are still there with that 48GB ddr5 kit
so you also can do more games as you mentioned and would fill a content video also! :)
would love to hear from you on this, thanks for this amazing video.. playing fortnite on an apex encore on 32GB DDR5 and thinking of switching to 64GB because of your results (I also was able to see similiar results from other youtube channels which had also same findings as you, which surprised me a lot that 32GB is still not enough!)
idk chasing 0.1 % low is like chasing a ghost, only appear in graph, but you gonna barely notice
My grandma has 128gb of ram for her sewing machine
It rocks
For everyone confused, refer to the bar graph
32gb has the best average fps, however its also the most inconsistent, itll have more noticeable fps drops when they do happen (but you will never notice fps drops until they get below 60fps )
Higher ram has a few frames lower average, but muuuuch more consistent.
Now, lets say your other specs are crap
Unlike this guys pc, with nice parts,
A ram upgrade on a crappy computer could be more beneficial to a user who experiences a lot of fps spikes,
It could pick up some of the work that your other components need to handle
I would like to see this test done on a very low end pc
I saw a behavior I my games when you don't have VRAM to spare the game will try to drop some of the resources or process to the RAM making it to use of than "it should " but I don't know if we lose performance run out RAM in that situation
honestly, i want to see how well stellaris, hearts of iron 4, and rimworld run with 32gb, 64gb and 96gb of ram
I run 64gb with no caching. I was running 32gb with no caching but I would sometimes get out of memory errors on some games such as Arma 3 with mods. I have had no memory errors running 64g.
holy shit how many mods are you running? I try and stay below 30 havent really noticed any memory errors
I think it depends on how many cores you are running.. People running 4 cores won't need as much ram, however the ram is nice to have. I have a 12 and 16 core processor in my machines and run 64GB in both of them.
32GB is still enough for gaming + multitasking. Im sure we will hit the point where 64GB is the recommended in 5 years
No OnE wIlL eVeR nEeD mOrE RAM!!! 😂😅😂 Same as I was told when I had a few mb.
Ikr 🤣
My 4+ year old 1080p 32GB DDR4 system is still running great today, but I'm building a new 1440p system currently just for the heck of it. I'm installing 64GB DDR5 in the new system, even if it may be a bit of overkill currently.
Thanks for sharing bro
64GB is definitely more future proof than 32GB RAM. Especially since Windows 11 uses more RAM than Windows 10!! And since games made 2021 onwards require better hardware to run smoothly in 4k high/ultra settings, its particularly useful when you play games which exceed your VRAM amount on your GPU, the game will use but consume the DDR5 RAM on your system. Leaving you confident and happy you invested in more RAM. Demands keep on increasing. I'd rather see Task Manager utilizing on average 25% of your RAM rather than 50%-100% of your RAM. Especially when it comes to heavy 4k video editing, and playing games in 4k ultra settings. And remember videos by some TH-camrs are in 8k, and GPU's like the RTX 4080 support 8k60fps HDR. Your DDR5 RAM (if you have enough) can help if you run out of vRAM (e.g playing Microsoft Flight Simulator on 4k ultra settings).
Hi. I´m building a "white PC". I chose the Ryzen7 7800X3D processor and the Asus ROG Strix B650E-A Gaming WiFi Motherboard.
I Found the DDR5 Corsair Dominator Titanium in white, but unfortunatly only XMP. I could by the expo model but they only exist in grey.
What would happen if i run the White XMP version on my AM5 setup? Will it still be compatible or will i run into some issues?
Depends on the board manufacturer. I know that Asus supports Trident Neo XMP sticks on their Crosshair hero x670e.
Yep I started from 16gb 3200cl16, that was bad, upgraded to 32gb, that was good enough for a time but 2 years ago I swapped to 64gb of 3600cl16 and very happy with it, seen only a few times more than 32gb actually being used but same here windows cashes most of the 64gb.
Try it with an 8gb GPU as well.
came for info, stayed for dance moves
I really appreciate these results as someone that prioritizes a smooth gaming experience.
I wish there were stats for Blender or Unreal or Unity. I'm trying to decide on RAM for multitasking between Photoshop and 3D programs, web page tabs, and chat.
32Gbs in 2023 is fine for gaming. Yes if you run lets of applications get more memory. As well if you have an 8GB GPU windows will use more Ram to compensate in certain games. So if you have on an SSD, 32gb ddr4 or ddr5 ,and a RTX or AMD with 16Gb you are in a much better position then if you have an 8gb graphics card. Even 12Gb cards are already suffering as games are spilling over 12Gb. Id rather have a system with 24Gb or 32 Gb memory and 16GB GPU then 64Gb or 96Gb of ram and an 8Gb GPU. For Gaming. If your doing other things you may want to reverse that.
32 gigs is perfectly adequate, i even use half of it for my OBS lol.
I have 2x16 now and just plan to add a cheap 2x8 in the future. That'll put me at 48gb ram should be plenty for a while.
Ryzen gets an advantage with all 4 slots filled, fill those slots
this isn't news to me. I've known for years now that people really need more ram than they think they do. they just don't know how to properly read the info in the task manager so they think they have enough.
My games seem to run fine, But I noticed while playing the New World MMO that I had like 27gig of my 32 in use. I am basically really close to using up all my Ram. To play it Safe, I ordered another 32gigs to Knock me up to 64 gig.
The real issue isn't gaming, it's modelling and rendering. You will be surprised how demanding 3ds Max can be. Even 64 isn't nearly enough.
My first computer had 48 KB ram. That's Kilobytes... not Gigabytes, not Megabytes. Atari 400 with 8 bit 6502 cpu and ram upgrade from the default 16 KB to 48 KB plus the horrid membrane keyboard replaced with real keys! I'm sometimes nostalgic for those days.
Wow I just have to ask how old are you ? lol I definitely remember 512mb and even 256mb ram modules but 48kb lol That must be before my time and I'm 41
Those were the days :) did you use casette tapes too?
I had a ZX Spectrum 48k back in the early 80s
@@california_dreamier I'm not much older but technology moved really fast back then. CPUs went from 8 to 16 to 32 bit in little more than a decade. I might've gotten involved with computers a bit younger, also.
@@turtle2720 I had the luxury of a five and quarter inch floppy drive!
You could buy single sided disks, cut a notch in them, then use them as double sided disks! Great money saving tip!
I have been thinking that my next system should have 64GB just because things are getting more memory intensive.
Devs getting lazier and lazier
I’d be interested to see you do this on a intel based system, Ik from hardware unboxeds video that ryzen loves dual rank ram but intel seems to prefer single rank
@@lurch789 So you like AMD, huh? Yawn.
Bruh, that intro 😂
32gb is still plenty for gaming. How are you caching so much memory? I’m running a 5800x3d, 32gb of ram, and a 4080. I’m not seeing any performance hits. Also tested with 64gb, also seen 0 difference in the 0.1% lows. Maybe do some testing from a clean build?