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I love that he wanted to test out the ram by having 5 tabs open in safari, calling it "typical usage". Meanwhile i am watching this while having 70 tabs open in chrome.
Just for clarity here. Working in 1 application at a time is not memory intensive. You can definitely use 16GB and it would be fine. Modern OSs are very good at swapping memory as needed and modern SSDs are super fast. Even switching applications is not a huge pressure on memory. it is more intensive but not huge. As an application goes out of focus the system will compress the memory it was holding. If it stays out of focus long enough, it will dump memory to the SSD clearing the space for in focus apps. You won't lose anything, the place where the memory is stored just changed, that is all. If you run multiple applications side by side (in focus) or with external monitors, that is where memory pressure will come in. So you can wrap things up like this: 1) If you will be working on 1 application at a time (in focus) on your Macbook then 16GB is good. 2) If you plan on real multitasking (multiple apps open and in focus) either on the Macbook screen or with external monitors, 32GBs is the way to go. It is very important to understand CPU and Memory with the M1 SOC arch. You can't just swap in more memory you have to trade up for a whole new system. Know your work patterns and invest in the right size for now and the future. This was a good video but it was just showing 1 work pattern that is NOT memory intensive. You could triple the number of background things and the results would have been the same. The system will compress and dump any application not in focus. You want to really test it. Get two external monitors with each running 1-2 applications in focus. Play some music, have a video rolling and play a small game on another while doing some work related activities. That work pattern will definitely need a 32GB model.
I have a tendency to do research by opening dozens of Chrome tabs at the start and work through gathering what I need. I have noticed that my Macbook Pro (yes an older one) will slow to a crawl and even closing tabs will not help so I end up doing a restart and then it is back to speed even with all those tabs reopening at least for a little while before slowing down to a crawl again. When I open 30-40 tabs is that what you are referring to as in Focus applications( as most of those tabs have some active content in them)? If so would getting 32GBs address the Chrome beat down?
Hey, I’ve seen Reddit forums that 16 gb with virtual machines choke? I’m thinking of upgrading to 32gb but man, it’s $400 considering I’m buying from the education store. I’m caught in a loop and I need this mbp soon prolly end of May. I’ll use the vm’s for my Windows related work and when I’m not, I’ll use it with Adobe Premier apps: LR, AP, Ae and Photoshop. Any suggestion? Thanks I’d really appreciate it, I don’t want to make bad decisions. 🥹
@@AnneALias Not quite sure what you mean by that. My implication was that I'm using a pro device as a developer, so I have dozens of tabs just for our bug tracking, then a load of tabs for our webapps as I'm a web developer. Then even more tabs for documentation. Plus IDEs, and other stuff. So 10 tabs seems to be to be a bit of a low ball for a 'pro' test. Remember, the benchmark isn't for how someone's grandma uses it.
Awesome video. I was wondering between 16 vs 32 gigs, and this video just got me through the decision - will go with 16gb RAM and 1 TB SSD. Thanks a lot! Really appreciate the great content
@@hq4961 thnx for reply would you still suggest brand new m1 pro Mac 16 inch 16/512 under 1820 usd in 2024? I got that deal I don't know I should get it or not.
@@moonknight8693 I am not sure. Though I didn't pay Apple retail price for it - I bought my M1 Pro Mac 16 inch 16gb/1 TB for 2500 usd in a Costco deal nearly two and a half years ago. So I guess 1820 usd for the 512Gb version of a nearly 3 year old model is a bit much in my opinion. EDIT: Just checked Amazon and the 1TB version is 1700 usd - just saying :)
I got the 16gb 16” from the apple store on launch day, I have had zero issues, it’s about 3x faster than the i7 iMac Pro I upgraded from for adobe apps that I use at work. I am astonished at the power of this thing and I fall in love with it more and more every day!
This is exactly what I needed to know! I’ll go for the 16GB 16” version. Perfect! No one else has done this essential comparison yet! You’ve saved me £400😀 thanks!!
This was the proof I needed that the 16GB model is good enough for me! I’ve been waffling so long that everything is sold out, but I’m so used to the Windows mindset. Thanks, again, for the thorough and creative vids. And thanks for getting help in creating benchmarks that aren’t your forte. It’s much appreciated!
I would love to see more thrown at it from a programmer perspective. These laptops are clearly for pro multimedia editors but programmers is another “pro” sector that is largely ignored by TH-cam reviewers (understandable since you’re all editors). Please look into this - and stick out from your competition :p
If you are a programmer, you already know how much ram you would use daily…. And i assume you will see no difference whether you use it as editor’s perspective or programmer’s perspective
@@Assembledonetwo its not he same thing on these. They r 10 cores with 10 threads, not 8 with 16 like intel cpus. The unified memory is less used/core too. From what i have seen on programmers/developers testing these each thread consumes less and the ssd speed/usage make 32 unified memory the same as 64 on intel x86. 16 should be fine for developing. Btw video editing is the most annoying benchmark u could see. Its hardly what buyers of 3k laptops r aimed at - that is doing 10 minutes of talking youtube videos thats aimed for mobile phones in 1080p. Most sane people use these for dåevelopment, programming, research, architecture/3d, photography. Not youtube.
Another really useful test, thanks Max! It confirms what I suspected, that the 16 would obviously hit the swap more than the 32 BUT that the SSD is now so fast, it's barely noticeable if at all in real-life situations. You've pretty much covered all the apps I used, so saved me from investing in the 32GB model. I agree, I think the more important thing is to get a decent-sized SSD from day-one, so 1TB / 16GB for me. PS - I think there might be some more significant differences between 16 and 32 for the 3D / VFX / modelling / AE folks out there, but that doesn't affect me!
Elated to find you in max’s channel 😄 Reminds me of a Swahili saying that goes “Kinyozi hajinyoi” (a barber doesn’t shave themselves) You’re my go to guy when it comes to camera reviews Gordon, no one does it better than you! But even you, came to Max for the geeky tech. We all know before you buy any piece of tech you have to come to MAX tech!!! It’s a MAD LINK UP!
When you've reached the point of grasping for tasks to overburden the machines and the performance differences are so incremental, it's time to get excited for the smaller RAM but larger SSD option. Very entertaining and saves me $ !
he's working on one application at a time in full screen. it's an unrealistic workflow to justify 32gb ram. if he were to hook the laptop up to multiple external monitors and multitask several apps we might get a better picture.
@@muaar That's true but for many people, this is pretty much enough. I personally don't use multiple displays and I'm a music producer I'll mostly be working in my DAW for a long time before even opening another app, so bigger SSD upgrade will be fine for a person like me.
Well, SSDs degrade over time. If the SSD died in your macbook, you'd be screwed since they're not replaceable. Writing a lot of swap to disk definitely does contribute to a quicker degradation of the SSD. The development workflow is also very unrealistic in many ways. Many devs use Docker for containers, which uses a lot of ram. Say you have your dev DB, a backend and frontend container for your project, you'd already be using a lot of memory.
The only difficulty there is that the regular M1 has fewer CPU cores, so that would skew the benchmarks pretty strongly in favor of the M1 pro without even having to factor in the memory bandwidth. However, I will say that it's on the GPU benchmarks that the memory bandwidth would make a much bigger impact. 66GB/sec for the regular M1 is actually quite good for CPU memory bandwidth (most Intel consumer class CPUs have about half of this), so it's not going to really be much of a bottleneck on most CPU bound tasks (Andandtech has written a number of articles with some tests on this for more in depth stats, definitely an interesting read). But the general consensus seems to be that the GPU is where the extra bandwidth makes a much bigger difference, as they can much more easily saturate 66GB/sec than the CPU can.
Very impressive! I still wish to see a more developer-oriented test, though - Docker in the background with 2 or 3 containers (nothing crazy), plus two IDEs open at a time and an iPhone simulator or Android emulator. This is a very plausible setup for a full-stack developer doing cross-platform work.
You should check out alexander ziskind’s youtube page. He has these and is a developer. He does a ton of tests that apply to software engineers rather than content creators
@@nagimohsen98 Thanks for the recommendation! From a quick look, it seems like he hasn't specifically compared different specs (RAM or number of CPU/GPU cores) yet, right? I'll have a look at what he already has to say, though.
@@danielnum9564 yeah not much between cpu/gpu core models but more so he shows preformance of dev tools on newer devices compared to older ones, etc. but maybe he has more videos in the works. I just came accross his channel recently.
Some thoughts… OK, memory and storage are expensive - but securing good function over time is also valuable… More memory - less load on SSD (longer functional lifetime), more disk - one singular storage unit to make backups on and the performance is high over time… The cost of the computer is sunk costs - just as well to safeguard long, functional lifespan and use...
It would be interesting to see a comparison between a 32GB M1 Pro and a 32GB M1 Max, to see how much of a difference the memory bandwidth and extra GPU cores make.
You’ve convinced me to stick with my base model 16. I was thinking about returning and getting a maxed out stock model (max with 32 cores, 32gb, 1TB) but now I think I will stick with what I got
Thanks for this detailed review. These machines are impressive. I have an mac mini m1 with 16Gb RAM and 256GB SSD and I'm still impressed by its performance even after about 1 year. For my day to day work I'm using: at least 5 or 6 docker containers running, 6 - 7 chrome sessions opened with 10 - 20 tabs opened for each of them , a Windows 10 opened in Parallels which is running youtube or a movie in 2.5k. Everything is running without any glitch.
When I decided to upgrade from a MacBook Air 2017 to a MacBook Pro, I was a lot confused. The first confusion was whether to get the 14" or the 16". Finally settled for the 14" because I needed it to be portable and handy and the 16" is seriously heavy. For productivity improvement, a monitor is always a better choice. I knew that I won't need the M1 MAX Chip at all. Now the main question was if I needed to max out the M1 Pro. Thank you guys at Max Tech for answering a lot of my questions and that too with proof. As per my workload, I just need the M1 Pro with 16 GB RAM. I think this is a very powerful combination for most people.
Really impressed how fast the SSD cache swaps are. I’m still glad I ordered the 32GB. As a software engineer even small increases in compile time add up when you do it dozens of times a day every day.
This was really informative to watch. It's hard to get out of the mindset of "more RAM more better", but it's clear here that it's much more diminishing returns. I'd also be curious to see how much off an effect the number of CPU cores between the base model (8) vs the others (10) have.
Wonderful stuff. Most people don't need these laptops. Most of those buying are not buying for the RAM, but for the overall improvements of the macbook. Want these laptops but want to futureproof? Don't get the 32 gig if you don't need it, buy what you can and save up. The macbooks in 3/4 years time should be so much better. Ask yourself if having 32 gig as a futureproof going to prevent you from upgrading to a macbook with face id, faster ports, better battery, lighter and 120hz oled without downsides?
Note that swap is by definition your least used memory. It's unsurprising that the swap doesn't affect performance much. In order for it to hurt performance a lot, it needs to be used for memory which actively used.
Thanks for such a killer review of these Macs. As an audio pro I’d really love to see a logic session with lots of software instruments, 3rd party plugins and sample libraries. Audio pros are not getting the same kind of real world review tests as video and other multi-media types.
@@urmomsdealer I not the author of comment but I have been using the basic model 14 M1 Pro 16/512 for about a year, it meets all my needs as a programmer, when I use a docker running in a vm that took 8 GB of RAM, and chrome with 30+ tabs with jetbrains IDE, I have no problems, I see no reason to buy the 32 GB version for people who will not make money on this machine
These help a ton when making a purchasing decision. I feel like a lot of people will go for higher configuration only to never put all those resources to any use.
Would love to see more software developer focused tests as well (maybe team up with another TH-camr?). Things like code compile, docker builds (arm + x86 images)
If buying MacBook pro: go for 32GB Ram Minimum Else buy an upgraded 16gb 1TB MacBook Air TLDR Apple has the balls to sell an inferior laptop(air compared to pro) at a premium price. Apple's $400 margin is youtubers paradise (generate more views)! Air USP: design and lightweight Air cons: same as USP, less ports, inferior everything (configuration) Air attracts with sleek design and low price, but when you configure it to your liking, the price flirts with MacBook 14” pro. Once you buy it, you automatically sit and want to justify your decision and sell your opinion to everyone. Human nature! There is a lot of debate over 16gb vs 32gb and pundits sitting here explaining how 32 is an overkill youtubers generating insane view on just this simple dispute Why 32gb not future proofing How beautiful and fast the swap is and yada yada how cool is unified memory 16gb unified memory is like 500gb non unified memory Imagine this- Ram cannot be upgraded ever Hdd cannot be upgraded ever File sizes are increasing by the day Need for RAM increasing by the day for most users the pro itself is an overkill So if you are going for the overkill, then better overkill with style! If you spending $2699 for a laptop, which you plan to keep for next 5-7 years you cant decide if you want to spend $400 more for more ram? Thats just ~14pc more (400 plus taxes) Typically You spend >50 bucks on a date night ~Spend >50 if ordering food from outside ~400 for a short vacay Double it all if you have a partner ~100 on monthly car insurance ~300 on monthly car payments But no, we want a debate on $400 after spending $2700.. Get 32GB Minimum… period!
Any boost in performance is just icing on the cake. These are both excellent machines, apple is crushing the laptop market right now. Thanks for this review!
I love these types of vids comparing memory differences. Almost no on else does this and it answers that question I’ve had for a long time, without making a huge money mistake.
Watched this one and some others because as Windows user I didn’t feel comfortable with 16GB. Was going back and forth, but finally decided to go with 32. Just took a couple of days to find out that 16GB is to less when using external monitor (something nobody on YT making these comparisons is testing). Because MacOS windows manager is eating up RAM even more when using a 4K display - you’ll end up with 18 or 20 GB easily. And when I noticed that I didn’t had any ‚creative software‘ opened. Bottom line: eat that frog and spend the money.
I would say a big yes. I just got the Max with 32gb. Got a great deal off FB marketplace. I monitor my ram and I use almost 50% just when Lightroom and photoshop and a few chrome are open. I’m even swapping ram when exporting in Lightroom. Any person looking for decent power and long term reliabiality 100% go with 32gb
This is mindblowing! Amazing how Apple silicone and architecture is changing the entire game! Thank you Intel, without your laziness of innovation, none of these will happen!
Fantastic review! I was wondering whether a 16 or 32GB is suffice for my multitasking workload with this new Macbook Pro 16''. Now, after watching this Max Tech test review I'm convinced I'll only need the 16GB and up the SSD to 1TB for a longer lifespan with spread out of read/write per memory usage. Many thanks for a fascinating and well done review! Keep up the good job for many more great reviews to come!
This is going to be the problem with this video. It shows 1 work pattern that is not memory intensive. Sure there were in focus applications that are memory intensive, but they wont put pressure on 16GBs. If you plan on multitasking many in focus applications at once 16 won't be enough. There are going to be a lot of people that won't get enough memory because of this video and they wont be able to simply toss in more.
@@tonymickle6700 the question is, will having less memory will stop your work flow? turns out that is not the case at all!.. tossing more into the system means more swapping from the ssd which shows no much difference in terms of speed. so, calm down and stop freaking out about memory and let ppl save their money.
@@s.bamahfoodh Not sure what your point is with the response as it did not make sense. I will try to respond to your very pointed statements. Adding more memory will equate to less SSD swapping not more. Less calls to the SSD will be more efficient. If you mean doing more only relates to more SSD memory swapping which isn't a big system impact that is also false, especially with the SOC design. The calls out from the SOC arch is multitudes slower than keeping everything within the SOC arch. Now in terms of real work usage, you are correct, to a point. SSD in Intel based systems with modern MB arch has similar performance to Memory. Will SSD calls or compressed memory calls stop your workflow, no...but I guarantee once your system starts feeling sluggish you aren't going to be happy with your purchase. The issue is that you need to understand your workflow. Highlighting one workflow and coming to a grand conclusion without mentioning the limitations of the video will cause people to spend incorrectly on hardware that cannot be upgraded like a modular system. My comments are meant to provide additional information the TH-camr here is not giving. Just informational, take it or leave it. And finally, not freaking out. Just trying to help people with more information so they do make the correct decision. If you have 1 workflow and it is similar to the video, then you are set. If not, you need to know more to make an informed decision and not waste money. GLHF, nice to meet your acquaintance.
Great video, but I’d love to see a developer specific test for memory. I’m glad to see an Xcode stress test make the video, but I’d like to see another comparison assessing a developer’s every day experience. 200+ chrome (or Firefox) tabs across 10 windows, Spotify, Xcode or even better, a memory intensive IDE like IntelliJ, plus excel, outlook, and slack. I’d be willing to bet you’d have 100X the number of people with that workflow compared to (imaginary) people editing audio, video, and images simultaneously! Food for thought!
As someone who's spent every minute since launch announcement worrying which config to get right to own for a few years, you've made that choice so easy for me - thanks Max!
I would be more concerned with future proofing. The 8GB RAM in my Intel Mac Mini was sufficient when I first got it, but now isn't enough. The lack of SSD swap is also an advantage, as it reduces SSD usage. I would consider it worth it to invest in the extra RAM.
Wow, usually 2 times more RAM in any laptop makes a significant difference (especially between 16 and 32 gigs and in RAM intensive tasks) but these SSDs in MacBooks are insanely good.
Extremely confusing results 😅 Basically swapping is so incredibly efficient on these systems, so more RAM is generally not needed, unless in extreme multi threaded cases, like maxed out music production? Perhaps you could test post production compositing software stress test? Apple Motion. Blackmagic Fusion. After Effects? Other popular platforms? And create semi complex comps with very high resolution layers, zooms and masks, 3D cameras, tracking etc?
I have the impression that music production is much easier on RAM and CPU. There is one video with M1 Mac mini and ridiculous amount of tracks with no problem. CPU almost on idle. Even with 32 tracks with WAV playing the "ssd" is suitable for the job.
Do SSD still slow down as they age and go through 100s of R/W cycles? Might see a bigger difference if the controller have to erase old data first before freeing up the memory cells as swap space.
Great test. Thanks! I always have shot for the 16GB in previous machines but I often worry that I’ll have to bump that up. Nice to see that 16 is still going strong.
These videos have saved me from making some poor choices in buying macs. So grateful for the dedicated and detailed reviews. I agree with the programmer comments to show more from that perspective. I do solo game development so the processing and graphics is helpful, but would love to see a Unity or Unreal build speed comparison.
Best M1 pro and Max on TH-cam. Love the review of all the variants in all possible configurations.. really help me decide on the right one to get finally!
There’s really nothing to do with generosity It’s business. Give away 100% tax deductible. It’s marketing to make peso por subscribe and comment to grow channel revenues Nothing wrong with that tho
@@francobarbagallo8915 I 100% get what you’re saying, and you’re right, but I say generous in the way that it will help someone who needs it but can’t afford it. Plus they’re paying for shipping and import taxes, that they don’t have to pay for, very courteous of them😁
We need some tests for the software devs who run multiple VMs on the laptop at the same time. I often need to run three VMs simultaneously and do compile and run on at least two of them. Since VMs require a lot of dedicated RAM it would be interesting to see how swap affects them. Any way for you to do this dev-specific test?
What sort of VMs would you run? You can't virtualise Windows x86 / x64 on M1. You can only virtualise ARM operating systems like Windows ARM and Linux ARM. Docker for M1 might be a good test / bench though. Definitely agree that more "developer" focused reviews and benchmarks are needed. I'm waiting on Snazzy Labs for that.
I have the scenario working with three Linux VMs with 4-6GB of RAM on a 16“ Intel MBP/32GB. I am testing Ansible and Puppet code via Vagrant against these VMs. I know it is hard to test. I would be worried with just 16GB of RAM, but Max‘s test is really impressive!
This is truly unreal, can't believe the extra 16GB doesn't make a dent in the tests. Now I can order the 16GB without FOMO 😄. Greetings from another Alex, also from Germany 🇩🇪
@@Chreative427 There's no such thing as future proofing. Once the M2 is released the M1's will already be outdated and lose half their value. Don't think you can buy something today and expect it to be cutting edge in 5 years.
@@LuxeFilmography I am pretty sure getting the 32 gigs will save your SSD twice as much. Also, no one will do as much multitasking as shown in this video, so no swap will be used on the 32gig version. In the long term, 32gb will help in making the laptop last longer.
It seems like more RAM is really only needed for “future proofing” reasons. Workloads now don’t really take advantage of the extra RAM but for those of us who keep our MacBooks for 5+ years the extra RAM and potential less stress on the SSD might be worth the extra $ up front. Even then, more SSD would probably be more useful to me in the long run than more RAM.
Bear in mimd that statement only truly applies to processing that is able to be done in a streaming manner, which all of the examples in this video demonstrate. In this case, Apple has largely matched the SSD speeds to the amount of processing that can have data streamed in and out of main memory and through the SoC in general, so that’s why this works so well, with Xcode being the biggest practical difference, in that it’s not as perfect of a streaming situation as all the others. If you do processing on a large enough data set to use 32 GB RAM that has random access characteristics and a large part of the data won’t fit in the 16 GB RAM machine, with sustained processing with random access patterns, you WILL see meaningful performance differences: as fast as the SSDs in these beasts are, main memory is still hugely faster than swapping stuff in and out from/to an SSD. So, if you’re doing video or audio processing as Max shows, he’s demonstrated Apple has created stream-processing monsters that are incredibly well-balanced for the tasks (other than Xcode being the outlier, and not audio/video/photography at all) where the SSD is able to keep up despite swapping being required. Note: I’ve been a developer for decades, and do developer support for an OS ;)
Yeah. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the newer software that comes out in the next few years can take advantage of the greater RAM. And, there's virtual machines if you run them...
I can live with a notch when these kinds of numbers are being put out! And with only 16gbs of RAM! Thanks for all the great info and can't wait to see who wins the new MacBook!
Wow - cool! This is exactly the comparison I needed to see. This helped me out a lot! $400 is a LOT for just 16GB of extra RAM in one of these (and I can't believe I was about to pay it too). Thanks for the "Max" recommendation!
I got the 16 gb and 32 gb for music production. I use tons of plugins and midi notes on all tracks. Lots of work with orchestra sample vsts. And sadly I had to keep the 32 gb because it was definitely more powerful. More tracks and without problems. I just couldn’t see myself sticking with what can do less.
I did want to save the money and buy a monitor instead but that didn’t work out. The power is there for a reason. Sadly music is the thing that does require more power
Very interesting results. And I like how you focused on usability and daily functionality and not just benchmarking utils. Nice video. Keep up the great content! 😊
More accurately, the SSD is a fraction of the speed of main RAM, but enough processing in a streaming manner takes long enough that the swapping time is hidden almost entirely, as the SoC is doing active processing while the SSD controller is reading and writing the data at a rate that can keep the SoC pegged for various types of processing. Change the type of processing to sustained random memory access patterns where you need 32 GB RAM to keep the data in main memory and you’ll see major performance drops on the 16 GB RAM machine in comparison. For what Max demonstrated, it shows Apple optimized the systems for those tasks for throughout very well.
@@strictnonconformist7369 Great point! It may be worth while to get the 32 after all. Apple's careful memory optimization may not be universal or eternal. After some time memory management is neglected "because we all have more ram anyway". I've already been through this cycle 5 or 6 times. AND perhaps also TWO Tera to slow down wear? I used my previous Mac for 10 years BY both "future proofing" and upgrading. It was cost effective and saved a lot of hassle. Since we can't upgrade now... we might as well get the 2 Tera.
Just picked up a M1 Pro 16gb 2tb on eBay for sub $1500. I’m coming from a 2012 MacBook Pro 1tb 16gb and the difference is amazing. My old Mac was still doing its thing but damn I was living in the Stone Age.
This amazing result makes me wonder even more what the point of a Pro with 32Gb is when, once you go there, it's only $200 more for Max. Who would stop at Pro/32 in that case? With this pricing scheme, it seems like Apple didn't expect too many people to stay with Pro at 32Gb. Maybe asking to much to do a Pro vs Max - both at 32gb comparison? Thanks, Max!
@@AV84USA Yes, the battery life would be a factor for some. I believe the 24-core GPU is $200 whereas it's the all-out 32-core GPU that's $400 - both after adding the 32Gb RAM. Thank you for pointing out the difference.
@@AV84USA the battery life is still a question, especially if you’re referring to the godawful verge comparison where two different people doing potentially vastly different tasks. This is why I really want either these guys or LTT to do a direct battery comparison between max and pro of otherwise same setups
Thanks for the rundown. All in the 32GB just reduces the likeliness of a SSD cache swap so all in it might extend the life of the SSD storage. Outside of that just run wild. Love it.
Such an epic test and you've saved me $400 with it! Thanks for the amazing tests, I can't stop watching them and appreciate all you're doing to help us out with our buying decision!
Nice to see an indepth RAM comparison between the two builds. It would be great if you could compare the performance of the new M1 max and M1 pro chips wrt NVIDIA GPUs for Machine learning tasks in your future videos.
Excellent video. It really helped me to decide between 16GB vs 32GB on M1 pro. Love the way you opened all those different video and photos editors to find out the difference. Thanks a ton for making this excellent video.
It looks like the 32GB model puts the new MBP under a lot less memory stress, whereas the 16GB model is going to wear-out the SSD a lot more quickly with the constant memory swap usage, since flash memory has a limited number of write cycles. If you can afford it, and plan to keep the MBP long-term, then go with the 32GB model.
That all sounds correct, I'm hopeful though that SSD usage is already optimized so that it always writes to the most infrequently used area of the SSD which would help alleviate this issue unless the SSD is close to full. Or perhaps that's what the 5th SSD chip is there for 🤔 see previous Max Tech video "106℃ CPU Torture Test" at 4:03
I am pretty sure ssd won’t wear out that fast. That’s a story of a decade ago. Now the technology has been so much better. The swap won’t afftect the life of ssd much.
@@jimmystewartuk Me too! And it gets slow and laggy. I am a multi talker for work with multiple collaboration apps, lots of browser tabs and word/excel (that are crazy RAM hogs, Word can take up over 2.5 GB alone - total rubbish) and the fan is going nuts as I type. Sure, I could close things down but I don't want to as I switch around a lot. I don't work with video/media that this test (and most other Ram tests) was on that the Macs clearly deal well with. Once bitten...I just want minimal memory pressure and willing to pay for that peace of mind. I am going 512GB SSD to offset the cost as I still have 200 Gb free in my 512 intel MBP (mainly documents and music mp3 files - no video or photo and than won't change) and I auto back off to iCloud if I ever get fullish.
having had an M1 Air for a while now.. the memory management on the Apple Silicon systems is MUCH better than it was in the Intel Macs. 16GB is our base config for Macs and PCs these days.. even for Administrative systems because we're buying devices to run for 3-5 years but I prefer 24-32GB for so-called 'power users' and obviously more for boxes doing data analysis of other compute-heavy work (I work at a Research University). 16GB works very well for me in our M1 Air though.. and it's often painfully insufficient in the x86 MBP laptop I'm also using. More RAM is always better.. but it's less critical with the new architecture than its been in the past. This all may seem counter-intuitive because the RAM in the M1 systems is shared between the CPU and GPU. Sure, there's huge performance benefits to having a unified memory space but you do need to split that unified memory between the CPU and GPU (for trivial stuff like frame buffering) but the end result is, a 16 GB M1-based system runs much better than a MBP with 16GB of system RAM and dedicated GPU w/ it's own VRAM. The diff is big enough that we've been wondering if Apple reworked it's memory management for the new hardware but never back-ported the new code to the x86 systems.
Bought a base M1 Pro 14" MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and upgraded storage to 1TB. Some brief results from trying to load up the laptop. I found that when I had three chrome windows open with about 10 to 20 tabs each, plus Adobe InDesign, Illustrator, Microsoft Word, Outlook and Teams and Zotero the RAM usage jumps up to about 14GB+ and I start seeing memory swaps happening as I hop around or have two going side-by-side. I would rarely use the laptop like this as I'm basically using this as an on the go option for writing and light adobe work. Usually it sits between 8 to 12GB of RAM for Microsoft Word, Outlook, OneNote, Google Chrome (10 to 20 tabs), DropBox/Google Drive/OneDrive in the background, Spotify, and Zotero. It starts to run out of headroom if I really push it, but for my use case, that's ok. I have a more powerful desktop at home where I can do my heavy lifting for longer work sessions where I need to operate two or more programmes simultaneously. If this was going to be my only machine, definitely, I'd upgrade the RAM to at least 32GB, knowing you have more headroom to run more programmes gives me some peace of mind. And if I didn't need something compact, maybe the 16" is a step I would want to take as well. If you have more specific hardware/software needs, then this comment might be redundant for you 🙃
Honestly unified memory is insane. I remember two years ago when I got the intel MacBook Air with 8gb of ram, even just a few tabs of TH-cam would begin to slow things down. Now with my M1 MacBook Air's 8Gb, I could open everything single app on my computer at once and it would only pause for maybe a minute or so and then everything would run as if nothing's happened.
This helped so much. Thank you. Just ordered the MBP 16" 16gb w/ 1tb. This will be my first Mac ever. I hope it works out. Not sure if I should have went with the 14" but the extra screen is always a plus.
I feel vindicated on my decision to go 16GB, however one test that may have been worth doing is to use large files greater than 200GB and manipulate that. This would saturate the storage bandwidth and we should see the 32gb model pull ahead allot more.
Great video. I would be interested to see the difference in performances when running virtual machines. But all in all, I think I just downgraded to 16gb ;) The 16" M1Pro 32gb are also much more difficult to come by compared to their "stock" version of 16gb. And realistically in 3-5 years they'll have come up with some new tech and I might want a new machine. So 16gb, 1Tb SSD all the way. Thanks for the analysis!
You nailed. Programmers will love to have 2 virtual machines, or some VNCs and Xcode, Qt, VScode and other fun stuff open. Then 16 GB are not going to enough...
@@active285 I ended up going with 32gb because a sale was putting it roughly at the same price as the 16gb which strangely wasn't discounted. Great machine. For people still hesitating, I think it's also worth considering if this is gonna be your primary machine or just your on-the-go/on-the-couch one.
Best comparison test yet! The amount of hard work you’re putting into these videos doesn’t go unnoticed, keep it up! 👍 I can't wait to see gaming performance on these.
That’s because the SSDs are super fast. When the RAM gets full, the OS switches to swapping data from SSD. The difference between 16 and 32 GB would be that SSD on the 32 GB ram model will last longer, because it’s TBW will fill up less quickly.
@@stariqa2 If this is true then I am not as upset going with the 32. I plan on using this beast for many more years than my usual 3 year upgrade cycle, Ty!
The load that these 2 handle is insane! The results really surprised me. They always recommend to get more ram but you literally just showed that with these new SSD speeds you actually will be good
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Thanks to your video I just cancelled my order of the 14" Macbook with 32 gb of RAM and placed a new one for a 14" Macbook with 16 gb of RAM. Not always bigger means better ;-)
I want an M1 Mac with the sort of longevity that Macs used to be known for. So glad to have confirmation that 32GB RAM will reduce SSD activity. The 16GB limitation is definitely steering me toward the Pro. It’s nice that speed is unchanged vs 16GB, but that’s not the whole story.
Desperate attempt to balance price/features. 2021 MacBookPro18,1. Poor eyesight dictated 16". Not compiling video, so base M1 Pro (10-core CPU/16 GPU), 16GB RAM. 4TB SSD, so I could keep everything onboard with at least 40% free space long-term. Still over $4K USD with business discount, big charger, apple care, etc. Took a while for Monterey to mature, but it's been consistently fast and stable ever since. I guess we'll see about longevity...@@sophierybalov5905
Excellent video. Really helped me clarify what has been a stumbling block in deciding which machine to go for. I'm currently running early 2015 13" Macbook Pro with 8GB RAM and 500 GB SSD and it's creaking with regular online stuff like video calls and Final Cut Pro tasks. I'm going to upgrade to the 16" MBP as I want the bigger screen but was undecided between 16 & 32 GB RAM, as I didn't want to run into the same issue if I end up keeping that machine for 6-7 as I've kept this one. I didn't realise the SSD would support the RAM so well. WOW, that's a game changer! So, now I know I'm going for the 16" 16GB RAM 1TB SSD - it sounds like my idea machine. Thanks again for putting in such a lot of work to produce this great video.
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Great comparison!
I have been waiting on this comparison!!!
I love that he wanted to test out the ram by having 5 tabs open in safari, calling it "typical usage". Meanwhile i am watching this while having 70 tabs open in chrome.
Now that is a ram test!
Your case it's not a typical usage, that's typical only for few ones.
10 to 20 chrome tabs is pretty normal for me, lol!
Only 70?
My iPads and iPhone keep warning me about the 500 tab Safari limit! 🤣🤣🤣
@@strictnonconformist7369 ._. loool
Just for clarity here. Working in 1 application at a time is not memory intensive. You can definitely use 16GB and it would be fine. Modern OSs are very good at swapping memory as needed and modern SSDs are super fast. Even switching applications is not a huge pressure on memory. it is more intensive but not huge. As an application goes out of focus the system will compress the memory it was holding. If it stays out of focus long enough, it will dump memory to the SSD clearing the space for in focus apps. You won't lose anything, the place where the memory is stored just changed, that is all.
If you run multiple applications side by side (in focus) or with external monitors, that is where memory pressure will come in. So you can wrap things up like this:
1) If you will be working on 1 application at a time (in focus) on your Macbook then 16GB is good.
2) If you plan on real multitasking (multiple apps open and in focus) either on the Macbook screen or with external monitors, 32GBs is the way to go.
It is very important to understand CPU and Memory with the M1 SOC arch. You can't just swap in more memory you have to trade up for a whole new system. Know your work patterns and invest in the right size for now and the future. This was a good video but it was just showing 1 work pattern that is NOT memory intensive. You could triple the number of background things and the results would have been the same. The system will compress and dump any application not in focus.
You want to really test it. Get two external monitors with each running 1-2 applications in focus. Play some music, have a video rolling and play a small game on another while doing some work related activities. That work pattern will definitely need a 32GB model.
I have a tendency to do research by opening dozens of Chrome tabs at the start and work through gathering what I need. I have noticed that my Macbook Pro (yes an older one) will slow to a crawl and even closing tabs will not help so I end up doing a restart and then it is back to speed even with all those tabs reopening at least for a little while before slowing down to a crawl again. When I open 30-40 tabs is that what you are referring to as in Focus applications( as most of those tabs have some active content in them)? If so would getting 32GBs address the Chrome beat down?
@@MarkBadia Same. I got a 16GB ram Macbook pro 2019 and the mac will just slow down and sometimes freeze when I have more then 40 tabs open
tottaly true and right thank you i write same then delete when see yours
Hey, I’ve seen Reddit forums that 16 gb with virtual machines choke? I’m thinking of upgrading to 32gb but man, it’s $400 considering I’m buying from the education store. I’m caught in a loop and I need this mbp soon prolly end of May. I’ll use the vm’s for my Windows related work and when I’m not, I’ll use it with Adobe Premier apps: LR, AP, Ae and Photoshop. Any suggestion? Thanks I’d really appreciate it, I don’t want to make bad decisions. 🥹
Perfect comment for my questions that this video could not show off... Thanks so much Tony!!!!!
"I'm going to open 10 tabs"
Me: "Wait, people have less than 30 tabs open at any one time? I've got 16 right now just for JIRA!"
LOL Jira... i hate that i understood this
@@AnneALias Not quite sure what you mean by that. My implication was that I'm using a pro device as a developer, so I have dozens of tabs just for our bug tracking, then a load of tabs for our webapps as I'm a web developer. Then even more tabs for documentation.
Plus IDEs, and other stuff. So 10 tabs seems to be to be a bit of a low ball for a 'pro' test.
Remember, the benchmark isn't for how someone's grandma uses it.
currently have 38 open.... that's about my average
@@rohansully584 Tabs or Jira bugs? :D
30 minimum lol
Awesome video. I was wondering between 16 vs 32 gigs, and this video just got me through the decision - will go with 16gb RAM and 1 TB SSD. Thanks a lot! Really appreciate the great content
Working fine after 2 year?
@@moonknight8693 Yes, still great. Battery is down to 90% but otherwise, just like the day I bought it.
@@hq4961 thnx for reply I got a deal under 2000 usd for brand new m1 pro 16 inch 16/512 I don't know I should buy it or not what do you think?
@@hq4961 thnx for reply would you still suggest brand new m1 pro Mac 16 inch 16/512 under 1820 usd in 2024? I got that deal I don't know I should get it or not.
@@moonknight8693 I am not sure. Though I didn't pay Apple retail price for it - I bought my M1 Pro Mac 16 inch 16gb/1 TB for 2500 usd in a Costco deal nearly two and a half years ago. So I guess 1820 usd for the 512Gb version of a nearly 3 year old model is a bit much in my opinion.
EDIT: Just checked Amazon and the 1TB version is 1700 usd - just saying :)
I have ordered the 16GB RAM version. Now I’m more confident on my decision. Thank you for this interesting test👍 Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪 Alex
Me too buddy, I was scary about what I bought. Now I’m more confident too. Thank you 🇮🇹
Genau das dachte ich mir auch, letzt endlich bin ich froh die rund 400€ in die 2TB SSD anstatt in die 32gb RAM investiert zu haben. 👨🏼💻👏🏼🥲
I got the 16gb 16” from the apple store on launch day, I have had zero issues, it’s about 3x faster than the i7 iMac Pro I upgraded from for adobe apps that I use at work. I am astonished at the power of this thing and I fall in love with it more and more every day!
This is exactly what I needed to know! I’ll go for the 16GB 16” version. Perfect! No one else has done this essential comparison yet! You’ve saved me £400😀 thanks!!
This was the proof I needed that the 16GB model is good enough for me! I’ve been waffling so long that everything is sold out, but I’m so used to the Windows mindset. Thanks, again, for the thorough and creative vids. And thanks for getting help in creating benchmarks that aren’t your forte. It’s much appreciated!
ram so much better on mac it’s crazy
Max, thank you.
I just cancelled my 32 gb and got the 16 gb with 1tb ssd. You saved me $250 (CAD) and doubled my drive!
Nice work! 😀✌🏻
Still happy with your decision?
I would love to see more thrown at it from a programmer perspective. These laptops are clearly for pro multimedia editors but programmers is another “pro” sector that is largely ignored by TH-cam reviewers (understandable since you’re all editors). Please look into this - and stick out from your competition :p
If you are a programmer, you already know how much ram you would use daily…. And i assume you will see no difference whether you use it as editor’s perspective or programmer’s perspective
This is the place for programmers. He does a great job testing machines for several flavors of coding. th-cam.com/users/AlexanderZiskind
Just mentioned this some minutes ago, too. ^^
@@Assembledonetwo its not he same thing on these. They r 10 cores with 10 threads, not 8 with 16 like intel cpus. The unified memory is less used/core too. From what i have seen on programmers/developers testing these each thread consumes less and the ssd speed/usage make 32 unified memory the same as 64 on intel x86. 16 should be fine for developing. Btw video editing is the most annoying benchmark u could see. Its hardly what buyers of 3k laptops r aimed at - that is doing 10 minutes of talking youtube videos thats aimed for mobile phones in 1080p. Most sane people use these for dåevelopment, programming, research, architecture/3d, photography. Not youtube.
try starting a bunch of docker containers and the 32 gb will flex its muscles
Thank you for doing these comparison tests, they are invaluable to anyone trying to decide between 16GB vs 32GB of RAM.
Another really useful test, thanks Max! It confirms what I suspected, that the 16 would obviously hit the swap more than the 32 BUT that the SSD is now so fast, it's barely noticeable if at all in real-life situations. You've pretty much covered all the apps I used, so saved me from investing in the 32GB model. I agree, I think the more important thing is to get a decent-sized SSD from day-one, so 1TB / 16GB for me. PS - I think there might be some more significant differences between 16 and 32 for the 3D / VFX / modelling / AE folks out there, but that doesn't affect me!
i will save that 400$ for 16 inch M1 max instead of upgrade 32gb ram
@@dmt99vn that would be wise except that m1 max requires minimum ram of 32gb. That’s how apple makes money.
Getting more storage than the ram is definitely the better choice...
@@wli4796 yes i mean 400$ for 16 inch instead of 14 inch
Elated to find you in max’s channel 😄
Reminds me of a Swahili saying that goes “Kinyozi hajinyoi” (a barber doesn’t shave themselves)
You’re my go to guy when it comes to camera reviews Gordon, no one does it better than you!
But even you, came to Max for the geeky tech.
We all know before you buy any piece of tech you have to come to MAX tech!!!
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This is really amazing. Thank you for this comparison.
This is the comparison I was looking for, you’ve just saved me the upgrade; I really don’t need it at all. Great work.
Perfect, now I’m more confused 😬
Just sell your car and get the 32 gb version. It's that easy!
@@MrShroombot on it!
Haha. In the same boat.
@@sashakolsky sell your boat, then... duh? /s
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When you've reached the point of grasping for tasks to overburden the machines and the performance differences are so incremental, it's time to get excited for the smaller RAM but larger SSD option. Very entertaining and saves me $ !
he's working on one application at a time in full screen. it's an unrealistic workflow to justify 32gb ram. if he were to hook the laptop up to multiple external monitors and multitask several apps we might get a better picture.
@@muaar That's true but for many people, this is pretty much enough. I personally don't use multiple displays and I'm a music producer I'll mostly be working in my DAW for a long time before even opening another app, so bigger SSD upgrade will be fine for a person like me.
Well, SSDs degrade over time. If the SSD died in your macbook, you'd be screwed since they're not replaceable. Writing a lot of swap to disk definitely does contribute to a quicker degradation of the SSD. The development workflow is also very unrealistic in many ways. Many devs use Docker for containers, which uses a lot of ram. Say you have your dev DB, a backend and frontend container for your project, you'd already be using a lot of memory.
I'd love to see a ram stress test between the M1 and the M1 Pro, both 16 GBs to see if the bandwidth makes a clear difference in performance.
The only difficulty there is that the regular M1 has fewer CPU cores, so that would skew the benchmarks pretty strongly in favor of the M1 pro without even having to factor in the memory bandwidth.
However, I will say that it's on the GPU benchmarks that the memory bandwidth would make a much bigger impact. 66GB/sec for the regular M1 is actually quite good for CPU memory bandwidth (most Intel consumer class CPUs have about half of this), so it's not going to really be much of a bottleneck on most CPU bound tasks (Andandtech has written a number of articles with some tests on this for more in depth stats, definitely an interesting read). But the general consensus seems to be that the GPU is where the extra bandwidth makes a much bigger difference, as they can much more easily saturate 66GB/sec than the CPU can.
Very impressive! I still wish to see a more developer-oriented test, though - Docker in the background with 2 or 3 containers (nothing crazy), plus two IDEs open at a time and an iPhone simulator or Android emulator. This is a very plausible setup for a full-stack developer doing cross-platform work.
Unless you’re spending 8 hours a day compiling, cutting out that extra snack and coffee break will be a lot cheaper and more time saving. 😉
You should check out alexander ziskind’s youtube page. He has these and is a developer. He does a ton of tests that apply to software engineers rather than content creators
@@nagimohsen98 Thanks for the recommendation! From a quick look, it seems like he hasn't specifically compared different specs (RAM or number of CPU/GPU cores) yet, right? I'll have a look at what he already has to say, though.
@@danielnum9564 yeah not much between cpu/gpu core models but more so he shows preformance of dev tools on newer devices compared to older ones, etc. but maybe he has more videos in the works. I just came accross his channel recently.
yeah emulators are going to crush 16gb ram.
Some thoughts… OK, memory and storage are expensive - but securing good function over time is also valuable… More memory - less load on SSD (longer functional lifetime), more disk - one singular storage unit to make backups on and the performance is high over time… The cost of the computer is sunk costs - just as well to safeguard long, functional lifespan and use...
It would be interesting to see a comparison between a 32GB M1 Pro and a 32GB M1 Max, to see how much of a difference the memory bandwidth and extra GPU cores make.
Totally agree. Especially with Parallels running.
This!
I think this was done by a few others already
@@PerzDVP can you show me a link please?
agree
I have the 14” one. Full 10 core CPU and 16 core GPU. It’s not slow at all for me.
You’ve convinced me to stick with my base model 16. I was thinking about returning and getting a maxed out stock model (max with 32 cores, 32gb, 1TB) but now I think I will stick with what I got
Thanks for this detailed review. These machines are impressive. I have an mac mini m1 with 16Gb RAM and 256GB SSD and I'm still impressed by its performance even after about 1 year. For my day to day work I'm using: at least 5 or 6 docker containers running, 6 - 7 chrome sessions opened with 10 - 20 tabs opened for each of them , a Windows 10 opened in Parallels which is running youtube or a movie in 2.5k. Everything is running without any glitch.
Daaaaaamn! Now you have me considering getting the M1 Mini and just keeping my 2017 MacBook Pro for use when I’m vacation.
Take the 16" entry level one and push the SSD to 2Tb. That 's the sweet spot!
Yes, because the fastest advertized SSD speeds are only available with 2TB SSDs & larger.
@@derekbaker3279 "Your MacBook Pro comes standard with 1TB of blazing-fast SSD storage,³ with up to 7.4GB/s sequential read speed.⁹"
When I decided to upgrade from a MacBook Air 2017 to a MacBook Pro, I was a lot confused. The first confusion was whether to get the 14" or the 16". Finally settled for the 14" because I needed it to be portable and handy and the 16" is seriously heavy. For productivity improvement, a monitor is always a better choice. I knew that I won't need the M1 MAX Chip at all. Now the main question was if I needed to max out the M1 Pro. Thank you guys at Max Tech for answering a lot of my questions and that too with proof. As per my workload, I just need the M1 Pro with 16 GB RAM. I think this is a very powerful combination for most people.
Really impressed how fast the SSD cache swaps are. I’m still glad I ordered the 32GB. As a software engineer even small increases in compile time add up when you do it dozens of times a day every day.
I've always been thinking that RAM upgrade would bring a lot of differences. Thanks for the review. Now I can save my $400 ~
Apple crushed that idea with their integrated architecture. They've forced us to reframe how we think of the spec sheet.
You may want buy bigger SSD then😜
@@suliveevil Indeed. I learned that lesson with the M1 laptops where having the extra space but smaller RAM configuration makes up the difference.
@@trogdor what configuration should I buy then?
@@tdm17mn What's the most intensive thing that you do with your machines?
This was really informative to watch. It's hard to get out of the mindset of "more RAM more better", but it's clear here that it's much more diminishing returns. I'd also be curious to see how much off an effect the number of CPU cores between the base model (8) vs the others (10) have.
They have already compared them in previous video
@@honglucai838 Yes, I saw that later.
I wonder over the long term how much the extra paging affects SSD life and potentially the occurrence of problems down the line.
Wonderful stuff. Most people don't need these laptops. Most of those buying are not buying for the RAM, but for the overall improvements of the macbook. Want these laptops but want to futureproof? Don't get the 32 gig if you don't need it, buy what you can and save up. The macbooks in 3/4 years time should be so much better. Ask yourself if having 32 gig as a futureproof going to prevent you from upgrading to a macbook with face id, faster ports, better battery, lighter and 120hz oled without downsides?
Note that swap is by definition your least used memory. It's unsurprising that the swap doesn't affect performance much. In order for it to hurt performance a lot, it needs to be used for memory which actively used.
Thanks for such a killer review of these Macs. As an audio pro I’d really love to see a logic session with lots of software instruments, 3rd party plugins and sample libraries. Audio pros are not getting the same kind of real world review tests as video and other multi-media types.
Would be nice to see a test with VMs in the equation. This is where more RAM really comes in handy, in my experience.
Hey how did you get verified tick with 345 subs??
Yes install one vm and set ram limit to that vm of 32GB :)))
@@StartSoftie No it's real!
He said it him-self though... "Even though with 192Gb of RAM", he wad still experiencing memory swap.
@@manu-singh looking at her about page, looks like she used to work for the press.
Was a bit worried about my 16gb order, but after watching this I’m fully satisfied with it. This was a fantastic video
Hey so now after a year of use was 16 the way to go?
@@urmomsdealer I not the author of comment but I have been using the basic model 14 M1 Pro 16/512 for about a year, it meets all my needs as a programmer, when I use a docker running in a vm that took 8 GB of RAM, and chrome with 30+ tabs with jetbrains IDE, I have no problems, I see no reason to buy the 32 GB version for people who will not make money on this machine
@@DenysHona thats true, people which need more that 16gb of ram are knowing that they need it. If you dont know it, you dont need it
I’ve got 16gb on my M1 air and have literally never hit a bottleneck. Unified memory is incredible.
These help a ton when making a purchasing decision. I feel like a lot of people will go for higher configuration only to never put all those resources to any use.
Would love to see more software developer focused tests as well (maybe team up with another TH-camr?). Things like code compile, docker builds (arm + x86 images)
I hope that they post one soon, meanwhile this guy does good tests from devs perspective: th-cam.com/users/d3vtec
If buying MacBook pro: go for 32GB Ram Minimum
Else buy an upgraded 16gb 1TB MacBook Air
TLDR
Apple has the balls to sell an inferior laptop(air compared to pro) at a premium price.
Apple's $400 margin is youtubers paradise (generate more views)!
Air USP: design and lightweight
Air cons: same as USP, less ports, inferior everything (configuration)
Air attracts with sleek design and low price, but when you configure it to your liking, the price flirts with MacBook 14” pro.
Once you buy it, you automatically sit and want to justify your decision and sell your opinion to everyone.
Human nature!
There is a lot of debate over 16gb vs 32gb and pundits sitting here explaining how 32 is an overkill
youtubers generating insane view on just this simple dispute
Why 32gb not future proofing
How beautiful and fast the swap is and yada yada
how cool is unified memory
16gb unified memory is like 500gb non unified memory
Imagine this-
Ram cannot be upgraded ever
Hdd cannot be upgraded ever
File sizes are increasing by the day
Need for RAM increasing by the day
for most users the pro itself is an overkill
So if you are going for the overkill, then better overkill with style!
If you spending $2699 for a laptop, which you plan to keep for next 5-7 years
you cant decide if you want to spend $400 more for more ram?
Thats just ~14pc more (400 plus taxes)
Typically
You spend >50 bucks on a date night
~Spend >50 if ordering food from outside
~400 for a short vacay
Double it all if you have a partner
~100 on monthly car insurance
~300 on monthly car payments
But no, we want a debate on $400 after spending $2700..
Get 32GB Minimum… period!
Any boost in performance is just icing on the cake. These are both excellent machines, apple is crushing the laptop market right now. Thanks for this review!
This dude is sponsored
I really appreciate your detailed videos
great job guys🔥
I love these types of vids comparing memory differences. Almost no on else does this and it answers that question I’ve had for a long time, without making a huge money mistake.
Watched this one and some others because as Windows user I didn’t feel comfortable with 16GB. Was going back and forth, but finally decided to go with 32. Just took a couple of days to find out that 16GB is to less when using external monitor (something nobody on YT making these comparisons is testing). Because MacOS windows manager is eating up RAM even more when using a 4K display - you’ll end up with 18 or 20 GB easily. And when I noticed that I didn’t had any ‚creative software‘ opened. Bottom line: eat that frog and spend the money.
Yes, using external drive and second monitor is a great factor not considered in this video. Bravo, think I will stick with getting 32
@@jkahn923 I plan on using an external monitor, is 32GB really a game changer ?
I would say a big yes. I just got the Max with 32gb. Got a great deal off FB marketplace. I monitor my ram and I use almost 50% just when Lightroom and photoshop and a few chrome are open. I’m even swapping ram when exporting in Lightroom. Any person looking for decent power and long term reliabiality 100% go with 32gb
@@jkahn923 great thanks 🙏. I think I will go with M1 Max 14" 1TB and 32GB used. Weirdly finding M2 Max used is quite hard here.
I literally cannot believe how much the 16gb kept up with the 32gb 😂
This is mindblowing! Amazing how Apple silicone and architecture is changing the entire game! Thank you Intel, without your laziness of innovation, none of these will happen!
Yes, thanks Intel 😂😂😂
Fantastic review! I was wondering whether a 16 or 32GB is suffice for my multitasking workload with this new Macbook Pro 16''. Now, after watching this Max Tech test review I'm convinced I'll only need the 16GB and up the SSD to 1TB for a longer lifespan with spread out of read/write per memory usage. Many thanks for a fascinating and well done review! Keep up the good job for many more great reviews to come!
32 gb 14 MacBook pro or 16 gb 16 MacBook pro. ??🙏🙏
This is going to be the problem with this video. It shows 1 work pattern that is not memory intensive. Sure there were in focus applications that are memory intensive, but they wont put pressure on 16GBs. If you plan on multitasking many in focus applications at once 16 won't be enough.
There are going to be a lot of people that won't get enough memory because of this video and they wont be able to simply toss in more.
@@tonymickle6700 I agree
@@tonymickle6700 the question is, will having less memory will stop your work flow? turns out that is not the case at all!.. tossing more into the system means more swapping from the ssd which shows no much difference in terms of speed. so, calm down and stop freaking out about memory and let ppl save their money.
@@s.bamahfoodh Not sure what your point is with the response as it did not make sense. I will try to respond to your very pointed statements. Adding more memory will equate to less SSD swapping not more. Less calls to the SSD will be more efficient.
If you mean doing more only relates to more SSD memory swapping which isn't a big system impact that is also false, especially with the SOC design. The calls out from the SOC arch is multitudes slower than keeping everything within the SOC arch. Now in terms of real work usage, you are correct, to a point. SSD in Intel based systems with modern MB arch has similar performance to Memory. Will SSD calls or compressed memory calls stop your workflow, no...but I guarantee once your system starts feeling sluggish you aren't going to be happy with your purchase.
The issue is that you need to understand your workflow. Highlighting one workflow and coming to a grand conclusion without mentioning the limitations of the video will cause people to spend incorrectly on hardware that cannot be upgraded like a modular system. My comments are meant to provide additional information the TH-camr here is not giving. Just informational, take it or leave it.
And finally, not freaking out. Just trying to help people with more information so they do make the correct decision. If you have 1 workflow and it is similar to the video, then you are set. If not, you need to know more to make an informed decision and not waste money.
GLHF, nice to meet your acquaintance.
Great video, but I’d love to see a developer specific test for memory. I’m glad to see an Xcode stress test make the video, but I’d like to see another comparison assessing a developer’s every day experience.
200+ chrome (or Firefox) tabs across 10 windows, Spotify, Xcode or even better, a memory intensive IDE like IntelliJ, plus excel, outlook, and slack.
I’d be willing to bet you’d have 100X the number of people with that workflow compared to (imaginary) people editing audio, video, and images simultaneously!
Food for thought!
As someone who's spent every minute since launch announcement worrying which config to get right to own for a few years, you've made that choice so easy for me - thanks Max!
Did you end up getting the 16g?
@@renziii1080 Yeah - but it's like 3 weeks shipping time :(
I would be more concerned with future proofing. The 8GB RAM in my Intel Mac Mini was sufficient when I first got it, but now isn't enough. The lack of SSD swap is also an advantage, as it reduces SSD usage. I would consider it worth it to invest in the extra RAM.
This is so relevant test. I was trying to figure out how to configure the laptop and you gave so much relevant information. Great job!
Very encouraging for one who just ordered the 16" M1 Pro (base) and was a little worried about the 16GB RAM. Thanks!
Me: "These new machines would really make my uni work a breeze"
Bank account: *_cries in poor_*
Wow, usually 2 times more RAM in any laptop makes a significant difference (especially between 16 and 32 gigs and in RAM intensive tasks) but these SSDs in MacBooks are insanely good.
Extremely confusing results 😅 Basically swapping is so incredibly efficient on these systems, so more RAM is generally not needed, unless in extreme multi threaded cases, like maxed out music production? Perhaps you could test post production compositing software stress test? Apple Motion. Blackmagic Fusion. After Effects? Other popular platforms? And create semi complex comps with very high resolution layers, zooms and masks, 3D cameras, tracking etc?
Of course Cuckoo shows up 😜
Was wondering if you were going to ditch the 15” intel w/ touchbar
Swapping isnt good for ssd lifetime;)
@@ch3vr0n123 If you got a 1TB or larger SSD, their lifespan TBW should be high enough so that you don't need to worry about it.
I have the impression that music production is much easier on RAM and CPU. There is one video with M1 Mac mini and ridiculous amount of tracks with no problem. CPU almost on idle.
Even with 32 tracks with WAV playing the "ssd" is suitable for the job.
Do SSD still slow down as they age and go through 100s of R/W cycles? Might see a bigger difference if the controller have to erase old data first before freeing up the memory cells as swap space.
Great test. Thanks! I always have shot for the 16GB in previous machines but I often worry that I’ll have to bump that up. Nice to see that 16 is still going strong.
Logic Pro with lots of external plugins is the most RAM intensive task I have found! I would love a stress test with that
Mmm so you Think 32 in this case would be better?
@@user-ls2jg7vl2h If you are running lots of large sample libraries running in Logic you would burn through 16 in a hot minute, maybe even 32.
These videos have saved me from making some poor choices in buying macs. So grateful for the dedicated and detailed reviews. I agree with the programmer comments to show more from that perspective. I do solo game development so the processing and graphics is helpful, but would love to see a Unity or Unreal build speed comparison.
Best M1 pro and Max on TH-cam. Love the review of all the variants in all possible configurations.. really help me decide on the right one to get finally!
Giveaways like this do not happen often, so this is absolutely such a generous thing that y’all are doing👏🏼😌love it
There’s really nothing to do with generosity
It’s business. Give away 100% tax deductible. It’s marketing to make peso por subscribe and comment to grow channel revenues
Nothing wrong with that tho
@@francobarbagallo8915 I 100% get what you’re saying, and you’re right, but I say generous in the way that it will help someone who needs it but can’t afford it. Plus they’re paying for shipping and import taxes, that they don’t have to pay for, very courteous of them😁
We need some tests for the software devs who run multiple VMs on the laptop at the same time. I often need to run three VMs simultaneously and do compile and run on at least two of them. Since VMs require a lot of dedicated RAM it would be interesting to see how swap affects them. Any way for you to do this dev-specific test?
What sort of VMs would you run? You can't virtualise Windows x86 / x64 on M1. You can only virtualise ARM operating systems like Windows ARM and Linux ARM. Docker for M1 might be a good test / bench though. Definitely agree that more "developer" focused reviews and benchmarks are needed. I'm waiting on Snazzy Labs for that.
@@KrisHyman Two Ubuntu VMs and one Windows 10 via Parallels.
I have the scenario working with three Linux VMs with 4-6GB of RAM on a 16“ Intel MBP/32GB. I am testing Ansible and Puppet code via Vagrant against these VMs. I know it is hard to test. I would be worried with just 16GB of RAM, but Max‘s test is really impressive!
@@grenzlaeufer vagrant is no way for m1, at least unless virtualbox will start to support arm
Do you mean docker?
Or virtual box VMs?
I know apple Throw the word “magical” around for their products but the fact that they are getting this performance is simply magic.
Exactly! It's like Magic. Apple is simply amazing!
It's absolutely amazing that there's so little difference between 16 & 32 GB from a performance standpoint.
This is truly unreal, can't believe the extra 16GB doesn't make a dent in the tests. Now I can order the 16GB without FOMO 😄. Greetings from another Alex, also from Germany 🇩🇪
Get it and future proof your purchase
Operating system will use as much ram that is available. It's not a matter of reaching a point where it doesn't get dent.
me too, greetings from koblenz 🙂
@@Chreative427 There's no such thing as future proofing. Once the M2 is released the M1's will already be outdated and lose half their value. Don't think you can buy something today and expect it to be cutting edge in 5 years.
@@LuxeFilmography I am pretty sure getting the 32 gigs will save your SSD twice as much. Also, no one will do as much multitasking as shown in this video, so no swap will be used on the 32gig version. In the long term, 32gb will help in making the laptop last longer.
It seems like more RAM is really only needed for “future proofing” reasons. Workloads now don’t really take advantage of the extra RAM but for those of us who keep our MacBooks for 5+ years the extra RAM and potential less stress on the SSD might be worth the extra $ up front. Even then, more SSD would probably be more useful to me in the long run than more RAM.
thanks for that man, I was just thinking the same, of going up to 2TB instead of upgrading to 32gb
@Ron Terry exactly the either apps aren't taking advantage of it or the CPU is still the bottle necking the allocation of resources
You mean, to prevent the memory swap issue ?
Bear in mimd that statement only truly applies to processing that is able to be done in a streaming manner, which all of the examples in this video demonstrate.
In this case, Apple has largely matched the SSD speeds to the amount of processing that can have data streamed in and out of main memory and through the SoC in general, so that’s why this works so well, with Xcode being the biggest practical difference, in that it’s not as perfect of a streaming situation as all the others.
If you do processing on a large enough data set to use 32 GB RAM that has random access characteristics and a large part of the data won’t fit in the 16 GB RAM machine, with sustained processing with random access patterns, you WILL see meaningful performance differences: as fast as the SSDs in these beasts are, main memory is still hugely faster than swapping stuff in and out from/to an SSD.
So, if you’re doing video or audio processing as Max shows, he’s demonstrated Apple has created stream-processing monsters that are incredibly well-balanced for the tasks (other than Xcode being the outlier, and not audio/video/photography at all) where the SSD is able to keep up despite swapping being required. Note: I’ve been a developer for decades, and do developer support for an OS ;)
Yeah. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the newer software that comes out in the next few years can take advantage of the greater RAM. And, there's virtual machines if you run them...
I'd like to see the usage from a perspective of a software engineer with heavy workloads.
SO basically spend the extra $400 on an extra 1TB space on the 16inch. BET! :-)
I can live with a notch when these kinds of numbers are being put out! And with only 16gbs of RAM! Thanks for all the great info and can't wait to see who wins the new MacBook!
There's not much of difference between the two and that wasn't expected at all. Definitely 16GB is more value for money product than the 32GB
It’s because the swap memory using disk is pretty fast
@@BRBallin1 Right and that's why 16GB variant makes more sense.
You guys are the most thorough without all the fluff! Great video!
Wow - cool! This is exactly the comparison I needed to see. This helped me out a lot!
$400 is a LOT for just 16GB of extra RAM in one of these (and I can't believe I was about to pay it too). Thanks for the "Max" recommendation!
I got the 16 gb and 32 gb for music production. I use tons of plugins and midi notes on all tracks. Lots of work with orchestra sample vsts. And sadly I had to keep the 32 gb because it was definitely more powerful. More tracks and without problems. I just couldn’t see myself sticking with what can do less.
I did want to save the money and buy a monitor instead but that didn’t work out. The power is there for a reason. Sadly music is the thing that does require more power
Very interesting results. And I like how you focused on usability and daily functionality and not just benchmarking utils. Nice video. Keep up the great content! 😊
"Lets export photos at the same time, just incase you are absolutely insane" HAHAHAH
The swap being practically as fast as the RAM is amazing. I wonder if that will lead to a noticeable shortening of life of the SSD though.
Yeah. That’ll be the real difference. Longevity.
More accurately, the SSD is a fraction of the speed of main RAM, but enough processing in a streaming manner takes long enough that the swapping time is hidden almost entirely, as the SoC is doing active processing while the SSD controller is reading and writing the data at a rate that can keep the SoC pegged for various types of processing.
Change the type of processing to sustained random memory access patterns where you need 32 GB RAM to keep the data in main memory and you’ll see major performance drops on the 16 GB RAM machine in comparison.
For what Max demonstrated, it shows Apple optimized the systems for those tasks for throughout very well.
@@strictnonconformist7369 Great point! It may be worth while to get the 32 after all.
Apple's careful memory optimization may not be universal or eternal. After some time memory management is neglected "because we all have more ram anyway". I've already been through this cycle 5 or 6 times.
AND perhaps also TWO Tera to slow down wear?
I used my previous Mac for 10 years BY both "future proofing" and upgrading.
It was cost effective and saved a lot of hassle.
Since we can't upgrade now...
we might as well get the 2 Tera.
Just picked up a M1 Pro 16gb 2tb on eBay for sub $1500. I’m coming from a 2012 MacBook Pro 1tb 16gb and the difference is amazing. My old Mac was still doing its thing but damn I was living in the Stone Age.
This amazing result makes me wonder even more what the point of a Pro with 32Gb is when, once you go there, it's only $200 more for Max. Who would stop at Pro/32 in that case? With this pricing scheme, it seems like Apple didn't expect too many people to stay with Pro at 32Gb. Maybe asking to much to do a Pro vs Max - both at 32gb comparison? Thanks, Max!
@@bujin5455 Yes, surely agree. Which is why it seems odd anyone would not spend $200 to go for Max if they're already going for the 32Gb.
@@AV84USA Yes, the battery life would be a factor for some. I believe the 24-core GPU is $200 whereas it's the all-out 32-core GPU that's $400 - both after adding the 32Gb RAM. Thank you for pointing out the difference.
@@AV84USA the battery life is still a question, especially if you’re referring to the godawful verge comparison where two different people doing potentially vastly different tasks. This is why I really want either these guys or LTT to do a direct battery comparison between max and pro of otherwise same setups
it's astonishing the level of performance this SOC achieves with "only" 16 gigs of RAM... there are phones out there with that amount of RAM 🤣
Thanks for the rundown. All in the 32GB just reduces the likeliness of a SSD cache swap so all in it might extend the life of the SSD storage. Outside of that just run wild. Love it.
$400 more for 16gb extra ram, wow Apple really has figured something out, your average Apple Consumer is truly brain-dead
As usual you guys deliver exactly what this senior citizen needs to know, as I try and keep up with the ever changing tech world. Thanks!
Such an epic test and you've saved me $400 with it! Thanks for the amazing tests, I can't stop watching them and appreciate all you're doing to help us out with our buying decision!
Nice to see an indepth RAM comparison between the two builds. It would be great if you could compare the performance of the new M1 max and M1 pro chips wrt NVIDIA GPUs for Machine learning tasks in your future videos.
Excellent video. It really helped me to decide between 16GB vs 32GB on M1 pro. Love the way you opened all those different video and photos editors to find out the difference. Thanks a ton for making this excellent video.
It looks like the 32GB model puts the new MBP under a lot less memory stress, whereas the 16GB model is going to wear-out the SSD a lot more quickly with the constant memory swap usage, since flash memory has a limited number of write cycles. If you can afford it, and plan to keep the MBP long-term, then go with the 32GB model.
Thank you for just finding me a good reason not to regret my 32gb ram MBP 14 order
That all sounds correct, I'm hopeful though that SSD usage is already optimized so that it always writes to the most infrequently used area of the SSD which would help alleviate this issue unless the SSD is close to full. Or perhaps that's what the 5th SSD chip is there for 🤔 see previous Max Tech video "106℃ CPU Torture Test" at 4:03
I am pretty sure ssd won’t wear out that fast. That’s a story of a decade ago. Now the technology has been so much better. The swap won’t afftect the life of ssd much.
I like your point. Hopefully backed by proof and science? 🎃 On an intel MacBook Pro, I’ve noticed my fans turning on whenever the RAMs are maxing out.
@@jimmystewartuk Me too! And it gets slow and laggy. I am a multi talker for work with multiple collaboration apps, lots of browser tabs and word/excel (that are crazy RAM hogs, Word can take up over 2.5 GB alone - total rubbish) and the fan is going nuts as I type. Sure, I could close things down but I don't want to as I switch around a lot. I don't work with video/media that this test (and most other Ram tests) was on that the Macs clearly deal well with. Once bitten...I just want minimal memory pressure and willing to pay for that peace of mind. I am going 512GB SSD to offset the cost as I still have 200 Gb free in my 512 intel MBP (mainly documents and music mp3 files - no video or photo and than won't change) and I auto back off to iCloud if I ever get fullish.
The base model just seems as powerful as most people would actually need, amazing test⚡️
having had an M1 Air for a while now.. the memory management on the Apple Silicon systems is MUCH better than it was in the Intel Macs. 16GB is our base config for Macs and PCs these days.. even for Administrative systems because we're buying devices to run for 3-5 years but I prefer 24-32GB for so-called 'power users' and obviously more for boxes doing data analysis of other compute-heavy work (I work at a Research University). 16GB works very well for me in our M1 Air though.. and it's often painfully insufficient in the x86 MBP laptop I'm also using. More RAM is always better.. but it's less critical with the new architecture than its been in the past.
This all may seem counter-intuitive because the RAM in the M1 systems is shared between the CPU and GPU. Sure, there's huge performance benefits to having a unified memory space but you do need to split that unified memory between the CPU and GPU (for trivial stuff like frame buffering) but the end result is, a 16 GB M1-based system runs much better than a MBP with 16GB of system RAM and dedicated GPU w/ it's own VRAM.
The diff is big enough that we've been wondering if Apple reworked it's memory management for the new hardware but never back-ported the new code to the x86 systems.
Bought a base M1 Pro 14" MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and upgraded storage to 1TB. Some brief results from trying to load up the laptop. I found that when I had three chrome windows open with about 10 to 20 tabs each, plus Adobe InDesign, Illustrator, Microsoft Word, Outlook and Teams and Zotero the RAM usage jumps up to about 14GB+ and I start seeing memory swaps happening as I hop around or have two going side-by-side. I would rarely use the laptop like this as I'm basically using this as an on the go option for writing and light adobe work.
Usually it sits between 8 to 12GB of RAM for Microsoft Word, Outlook, OneNote, Google Chrome (10 to 20 tabs), DropBox/Google Drive/OneDrive in the background, Spotify, and Zotero.
It starts to run out of headroom if I really push it, but for my use case, that's ok. I have a more powerful desktop at home where I can do my heavy lifting for longer work sessions where I need to operate two or more programmes simultaneously.
If this was going to be my only machine, definitely, I'd upgrade the RAM to at least 32GB, knowing you have more headroom to run more programmes gives me some peace of mind. And if I didn't need something compact, maybe the 16" is a step I would want to take as well.
If you have more specific hardware/software needs, then this comment might be redundant for you 🙃
Some good testing, your conclusion about the amount of RAM vs getting a bigger SSD is compelling.
Fast ssd storage helps a lot. Or maybe swap is put on a fast SLC nand?
Honestly unified memory is insane. I remember two years ago when I got the intel MacBook Air with 8gb of ram, even just a few tabs of TH-cam would begin to slow things down. Now with my M1 MacBook Air's 8Gb, I could open everything single app on my computer at once and it would only pause for maybe a minute or so and then everything would run as if nothing's happened.
This unified memory is so impressive ! Combined with new ssd Apple really nailed it ! Thanks max for this awesome video !
This helped so much. Thank you. Just ordered the MBP 16" 16gb w/ 1tb. This will be my first Mac ever. I hope it works out. Not sure if I should have went with the 14" but the extra screen is always a plus.
I feel vindicated on my decision to go 16GB, however one test that may have been worth doing is to use large files greater than 200GB and manipulate that. This would saturate the storage bandwidth and we should see the 32gb model pull ahead allot more.
Max, that was some EXTREME test
You’ve proved one thing and hopefully save a lot of people some monies
Well done! 😎
I must say, I’m not shocked at all, especially with those speeds. Glad to see that 16gbs will be enough for the majority. Keep these tests coming!
Great video. I would be interested to see the difference in performances when running virtual machines. But all in all, I think I just downgraded to 16gb ;)
The 16" M1Pro 32gb are also much more difficult to come by compared to their "stock" version of 16gb. And realistically in 3-5 years they'll have come up with some new tech and I might want a new machine. So 16gb, 1Tb SSD all the way. Thanks for the analysis!
You nailed. Programmers will love to have 2 virtual machines, or some VNCs and Xcode, Qt, VScode and other fun stuff open. Then 16 GB are not going to enough...
@@active285 I ended up going with 32gb because a sale was putting it roughly at the same price as the 16gb which strangely wasn't discounted. Great machine.
For people still hesitating, I think it's also worth considering if this is gonna be your primary machine or just your on-the-go/on-the-couch one.
@@dimi476 Would love to know where you found the sale
@@dimi476 yeah, where did you find the sale?
Best comparison test yet! The amount of hard work you’re putting into these videos doesn’t go unnoticed, keep it up! 👍
I can't wait to see gaming performance on these.
Wow, I can’t believe that the 2 MacBooks have the results are very close. It count by seconds
Best comparison test yet!
That’s because the SSDs are super fast. When the RAM gets full, the OS switches to swapping data from SSD.
The difference between 16 and 32 GB would be that SSD on the 32 GB ram model will last longer, because it’s TBW will fill up less quickly.
Cool guys! I like yr channel!
@@stariqa2 If this is true then I am not as upset going with the 32. I plan on using this beast for many more years than my usual 3 year upgrade cycle, Ty!
@@FlorianCortese based on the video, it looks like that. No swap data on the 32 gb model on the first two tests.
The load that these 2 handle is insane! The results really surprised me. They always recommend to get more ram but you literally just showed that with these new SSD speeds you actually will be good
Thanks to your video I just cancelled my order of the 14" Macbook with 32 gb of RAM and placed a new one for a 14" Macbook with 16 gb of RAM. Not always bigger means better ;-)
Thanks for doing real world tests. Way more helpful than benchmarks. 16gb is a no brainier!
I want an M1 Mac with the sort of longevity that Macs used to be known for. So glad to have confirmation that 32GB RAM will reduce SSD activity. The 16GB limitation is definitely steering me toward the Pro. It’s nice that speed is unchanged vs 16GB, but that’s not the whole story.
What did you end up getting?
Desperate attempt to balance price/features. 2021 MacBookPro18,1. Poor eyesight dictated 16". Not compiling video, so base M1 Pro (10-core CPU/16 GPU), 16GB RAM. 4TB SSD, so I could keep everything onboard with at least 40% free space long-term. Still over $4K USD with business discount, big charger, apple care, etc. Took a while for Monterey to mature, but it's been consistently fast and stable ever since. I guess we'll see about longevity...@@sophierybalov5905
Excellent video. Really helped me clarify what has been a stumbling block in deciding which machine to go for. I'm currently running early 2015 13" Macbook Pro with 8GB RAM and 500 GB SSD and it's creaking with regular online stuff like video calls and Final Cut Pro tasks. I'm going to upgrade to the 16" MBP as I want the bigger screen but was undecided between 16 & 32 GB RAM, as I didn't want to run into the same issue if I end up keeping that machine for 6-7 as I've kept this one. I didn't realise the SSD would support the RAM so well. WOW, that's a game changer! So, now I know I'm going for the 16" 16GB RAM 1TB SSD - it sounds like my idea machine. Thanks again for putting in such a lot of work to produce this great video.
I'd love to see a bit more stress testing in logic of 16 vs 32 gigs of ram.