I think the difference really is that it is a cost savings measure from OEMs, but the kinds of things most people do on those computers, don't need the extra bandwidth, games are constantly loading and unloading things from ram so the bandwidth becomes a bottle neck, but if you're just watching youtube or using excel, you're never going to notice that bandwidth restriction. It's also that a dual channel kit doesn't cost significantly more than just a single stick of the same quantity of ram, so if you plan to play games you should just spend the money on the dual channel kit because it's one of the best cost to performance upgrades you can make on a computer.
I am currently on single channel 16GB because my other stick reports errors on test 7 of memtest86+, i have to buy another set of RAM to use the lifetime warranty from G.Skill because they want entire set to send back. I have so much workload and general apathy to go through that malaise of RMA process, plus everything works just fine add to this another £200 to buy decent memory and selling whatever comes from RMA on ebay. For now I can live with 10% less performance.
I would NEVER recommend getting a dual channel prebuilt/laptop. They charge 20% higher price for it. Which is insane. Its always better to install it yourself. Its wayyyyyy cheaper that way.
I think prebuilt is fine if you are going for a more cheaper setup and you are a first timer. After that when you decide to upgrade, it should be with you installing it yourself.
@@pooliner "Prebuilt" and "cheaper setup" do not go together. If you are a first timer then sure, buy a prebuilt if you do not want to spend time learning how components fit together. But OP did say nearly what you recommended; when you decide to upgrade... install it yourself because it really is much cheaper.
Still don't understand Single / Kit On Crucial website, it shows that Single means 1 stick Kit means 2 Is Dual just another way / term of saying kit or 2 sticks??? If so, then why are singles cheaper to buy 2 separately than a kit? wth :D
@@bobdawkins7473 A simple guide to ram: amount of ram > speed of ram > ram timings. Try to buy at least 2 sticks of ram so you can use dual channel on your setup, if you are wanting 16 gigs of ram get 2 sticks of 8g. Single channel on a motherboard means you are using either 1 stick of ram or you have your ram assorted in a way that only allows single channel (don't overthink this, a motherboard manual found online will let you know where to place your ram modules for dual channel)
The benefit of single men module from oem is that you only need to buy one stick of equal specs to go to dual channel. And you get to keep the orig stick when doubling ram instead of replacing two half size sticks.
My friend had laptop with only singe-ram. i7-7700hq/GTX1050ti/8GB-2666hmz Dark Souls 3 ran between 35-55 fps regardless of the graphic settings. After I learned that her run with single channel I gave him strongly the advice to buy a second ram stick for dual channel. With dual channel Dark Souls 3 ran finally with 60 fps :3
Those specs seem oddly familiar to me. I had an Acer Nitro 5 from 2018. I threw another cheap 8 GB RAM module in there mere weeks after I bought it and it gave me several years of decent 1080 60 fps gaming.
I believe why you saw less of a difference was that your single channel ram was dual rank. I bought a prebuilt in June 2020 and got a 16gb at 3200hz, single rank stick. I feel it would be worth retesting this with 1x16gb and 2x8 sticks, but with single rank on both configs. I anticipate this would be a more appropriate way to recreate a "real-world" prebuilt configuration.
Another factor may be, from other clips I have seen intel seems to benefit more from ram these days I think it may be cache related although I cant test this.
Just discovered this vid and immediately came to the comments looking for this msg. This is not a perfect apples to apples comparison, and the dual rank stick still lost. A lone single rank stick would be even worse.
with DDR5 having 2 channels per DIMM and approaching twice the transfer speeds, we might see single (64b) channel become a practical method to cut power consumption (and size) in laptops like how GPUs are getting fewer PCIe lanes. The trend of larger L3s would also help with this. Similar to 6500xt, cost cutting here has awful synergy with cost cutting elsewhere though
I built Ryzen 1600 with RX580 some years back with one 8GB stick. Worked fine but some games lagged. The moment I put another 8GB stick, performance jumped phenomenally, despite RAM utilization remaining same.
8gb really does not cut it these days. 16gb is the sweet spot for most basic users who will not easily max out 16gb. RAM so cheap now, especially if you enter 2nd hand market. Adding an additional 16gb to home system for just $33.
Impacts of dual channel RAM are negligible or even inconsistent if you have decent dedicated GPU. But, if you have an APU with integrated graphics like 5700G, dual-channel RAM can give you up to 80 percent performance boost.
@@abdulazizabdulaziz6304yes it will be 15% or so higher fps . I been using 32Gb with r5 4500 and 1050ti and can say dual channel did made some games playable which weren't
The affect of using single channel memory really depends on the CPU. Ryzen, especially Zen and Zen+ are particularly sensitive to the RAM speed, timings and configuration. I think that's why the conversation became a hot button issue. Lol
Single-channel and dual-channel should make a more significant impact when using iGPUs since their performance is usually bandwidth limited by system RAM. But I think in general, gaming on single-channel with a dGPU shouldn't have a big impact as you found out. Dual-channel memory should impact memory-intensive processes which games tend not to be unlike simulations, video production, etc,
That's on a case by case, Battlefield games for exemple have their 1% destroyed by single-channel and it's up to you to decide if it's worth it or not based on the games and aplications you use but to be fair the diffenrence in price is so low that it's almost a sin for DIY gamers not to use it. For big OEMs it makes sense because even if it's just a little bit cheaper when you multiply that for the thousands of systems they ship every day those pennies become millions.
@@prizrak-br3332 It's a question what game-engine is used and if you are bottlenecked by a different component. Icebergs results for CP 2077 is a good example. Basically the game is more limited by the GPU than RAM. I would not call having 0.1% lows of 34 instead´of 39 FPS a big deal while playing. I doubt many would be able to tell the difference when not also shown on screen.
once you understand a couple of things everything becomes clearer. understanding the idea behind dual channel... break it into more of a real world visualization. object is to get from point A back to A with information thats behind a door or set of doors. simplistically one larger room is well.. more simple.. but its not. behind a single door the room filled with filing cabinets and a maze to go through, you have the address in your hand so you start walking to where you need to go but this could be easily in the back of the room, back corner even. you would have to travel the whole way to get there, then go back to point A. with two doors, you pick the first part of the address so you go through one of the doors, the rooms are half the size, less information and less area to travel through. you will be standing back outside in much less time than the one door counterpart. this also is why memory defragmentation helps too. not a lot or for long, but it does. if the single or double rooms are better organized and more towards the front of the room, less area to cover whether you are dropping off something or picking it up. the reason the companies give you a single is MONEY. it doesn't cost them double to make a single stick. you have a BIT less material cost, then you have the manufacturing time per product. its twice as fast (almost) to make a single memory stick than it does for 2. it's also one less item they have to cover in warranty to fail. they only need to MARKET and ADVERTISE the amount of memory. most computer users wouldn't know 1 vs 2 sticks and why one option is better. computer companies relied on consumer ignorance for decades. selling them half cache sized CPUs, single mem sticks, and lower cache sized HDDs and lower RPM HDDs. then they advertise on raw sizes and speeds of some things, but not the whole picture. people that build and understand the parts are not just doing it cause same stats are cheaper for the DIYer, but they also get these small things that really add up in the end. computer companies cut these corners, and often pay closer to manufacturing costs than what we see in the shops and online. the ONLY advantage of single stick is in the future adding more. you just buy a second stick, and when you buy 2 more sticks (doors and much smaller rooms) you don't have to upgrade the 4x8gb sticks.
Back in the day when I was poor and was working with early i3 based gaming rigs. I came to the conclusion that RAM doesn't make much difference. I have used mixed sized RAM, mixed speeds RAM, single channel RAM, Dual channel RAM, etc. Never noticed anything different between any of the RAM platforms without having a FPS monitor running like Afterburner to show it. Morale of my story, use whatever RAM you can fit in your slots and you should be fine.
I realize I'm a late commenter on this video, but I have a single 32GB stick of DDR4-3200 paired with a Ryzen 5 5600 and RTX 2070 Super (because my motherboard is crap lmao), and at least for single-player games at 1080p, I do not notice any problems that I can reliably blame on the RAM being single-channel. Even in CPU-demanding games like the Callisto Protocol, I was still able to get a near-locked 60 fps without noticeable stutters. Yeah, I might be able to get a performance uplift from 2 sticks, but it doesn't feel strictly necessary in order to keep games running OK.
For people with integrated Graphics The Dual Channel bandwidth makes a huge difference. A Ryzen 7 5700G with Vega 7 can play most AAA games at 1080p but not in single channel mode.
I think if we assume the same capacity is used, it really is just an annoying downgrade of performance, even if slender. It's a bigger hit than having secondary apps open in the background, for example. (See Hardware Unboxed's video on that subject for reference)
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said 'measurable difference'. A couple of years ago my PC would only work with a single stick of RAM, 8GB down from 16GB, due to a motherboard issue. When it came to gaming I honestly didn't feel the difference while playing. I mean logically I know there was a difference but I didn't feel it while playing.
Some games the impact is bigger than other that's just it, the reason they use single-channel in pre builts is that in most games the difference isn't game breaking so for them it isn't worth it but there are a few games that have their performance killed by single-channel like BFV and BF1 but to be honest in David's case it was that bad mostly because of bloatware and a overheating CPU, the single-channel was just contributing for the worsening of the problem.
If I'm gonna miss out on say 15% performance, the whole build should be at least 15 to 20% cheaper IMHO. If not, then it doesn't matter either way? Hence, this is why they do it because price makes it appeal more to the average consumer since they generally still have decent capacity RAM. So, basically you're right, tubers are overreacting on this. Also, the argument that you have to buy an entire new RAM kit to have dual channel is also quite silly. Nowadays most RAM are compatible to pair with different brands, the only thing that would happen is if you use 1 3200mhz and 1 3600mhz, they will downclock to the lowest capacity stick, being 3200mhz in my example. You're channel is underrated and deserves more recognition. Cheers!
The point is more that OEMs often include rather low clocked single channel RAM sticks. As long as the bandwidth is enough I don't think there is that much of an issue, where it absolutely isn't makes for the problems as far as I know.
Prebuilts use one stick of RAM because some people do not know that anything other than the capacity of RAM matters. I have seen a lot of people assume that more gigs of RAM always results in a faster computer. I've also seen "gaming" computers that have a GT 710 with a CPU that had a better iGPU for gaming.
Can I ask why you decided to use a different stick of ram when you could have put both your 2x8gb into single channel by putting them in the wrong slot? That’s where the free missing performance is TH-camrs rant about. Do a test to see if installing ram in the wrong slot-therefore tasting if dual is better than single. Your test doesn’t have enough data points to compare if you are using different sticks. Thanks for the video. Hope to see more content. 👍
Likley David's computer would be using single ranks so you got a advantage using dual. Also your GPU has 8gb vram when most of population is probs on 1060-2060 do 4-6gb vram . Your SSD is probs more premium as well for instance my pre build came with a green SSD which is super slow in comparison . So hitting page file would be way more obvious
would love to see you try this with systems using integrated graphics like a miniPC or just a PC with one of the Ryzen G processors or any intel chip. With both the CPU and GPU using a single ram channel I would expect a much larger performance drop compared to dual channel setups.
That 5600x seems to be doing pretty good with single channel. I think older ryzens are more sensitive to this. When i upgraded to ryzen in 2017, ram kit i bought had 1 stick not working. When i got replacement, the difference was huge, like it could go from stuttery 100 fps to smooth 140 fps.
I think you should study asyncronous dual channel and flex mode, you could test configurations such as 8+16GB per channel, 8+8 & 16 + 16GB both being 48GB and see what runs best? The fist one might be best since then you could have 3 memory ranks per channel, the latter would probably be bette the moment you go past 32GB? I really wanna see the science! :3
The only problem with this test is that the big pre built manufacturers like dell and hp is that not only do they ship single channel ram. They also ship ram with horrid timings. If you wanted to be very accurate you would have to use ram like 3000 cl22
I think it's benafits fits people more to have single from a sellers point. See but doing sat 16gb stick insted of dual 8gb when the customer gets it if they want to upgrade they can buy 1 stick of 16 but if it was 2 sticks of 8 they now have to spend double to upgrade to get that 32gb they wanted. Also most users who are gamers that know about stuff are going to build or custom thier pc and if buy a prebuilt prefer single stick so that can save money addi g 1 stick insted of replacing g 2
i think it might be abit bias but from my own shopping experiences, when I buy desktop pc in Taiwan, they always have promotions for like throwing extra slab of ram with the pc etc, so zi thought it is always better that oem only come with 1 slab of ram to keep the slots free. But In New Zealand (my 2nd home), they often strip and downgrade the parts and never offer you any extra parts for free, but expect you to upgrade at very high costs
So my dad bought a prebuilt pc in our house and the RAM is 8GB single channelled. The gaming experience has been terrible to me. Its does "run" games but the 1% fps drops in the games just makes it completely unplayable. So a NO for me for Single channel. Also if you say single channel is cheaper, I think if you're ready to spend money in a whole pc why not chuck in one more RAM its not THAT expensive since you're going to get a whole PC at the end.
Just bought a pc off of eBay and went and got it and everything worked out perfect. I didn’t read that it only had single channel 8gb and the max speed was 2133 mhz 😢. The specs are a i5 6600 and a 1660 super which is pretty solid for Fortnite but at the moment the ram is such a bottleneck I have just bought 2 8gb sticks 😊
I have a 12700 and I have a great speed of 3600 MHz with 1 stick, and I get less fps drops with that in A2 compared to when I use 2 sticks of 3200. I get fewer stutters, so it's not just using 2 separate sticks where it always gives less stutters and drops; it depends on game optimisation. Also, in games where I don't see hardly any difference at all in stutters or drops using either sticks,I also noticed if capping to 100-60 a person can use 1 stick and hardly any stutters or drops will happen; their reduced a lot, so yeah, 1 stick is enough; it just depends on game optimisation or how the CPU handles it.
Interesting. From my experience, Intel always has more throughput with multichannel RAM than AMD does for some reason. I find that 4 sticks of RAM over 2 sticks (when possible) is also faster.
With the advent of DDR5, and it's effective dual channel on a single stick, the difference between one versus two sticks doesn't matter quite as much as it used to. It still matters, but, it's not the end of the world anymore.
I would like to see this on a more humble system, if a device needs to squish performance those are the cheeper ones. I would like to see if the gains are scalled through the system
Indeed it seems like most prebuilts are just trying to save a few bucks. I understand that their margins aren't great, but some prebuilts do have dual. My HP from 2020 had 2x8Gb from the factory, but it wasn't entry level. So they can do it, they just rather not most of the time haha
The only argument I can think of is you buy one stick today because you want to upgrade to more memory in the future but can only afford one stick at the time. (or hope prices drop.) And your system only has 2 dimm slots available. (such as a laptop.)
Corporations don’t necessarily prioritize cost savings over benefits to the customer. The thing with prebuilt PCs with single ram sticks is that there’s information asymmetry present. Their typical customer just doesn’t know that there is a benefit, so why provide it?
Personally, after one of my RAMs broke (i had 16x2 3600) i noticed a significant lag while video editing (Vegas Pro and After effects) gaming is pretty much the same
Sadly I only can go single channel, I bought a open box motherboard and had to pins missing on the cpu (am5 motherboard) so I searched for a blueprint or schematics and found out both pins that are missing are from channel B and when I try to insert ram there it wouldn't even boot 😢 so I'm with a 32gb 5600hz single channel ram. It still works Great tho
Great video, I know that Intel isn’t too fussy about dual channel ram but certainly Ryzen and I know the lower end systems can suffer majorly but maybe I was wrong, maybe we where all wrong, maybe this is a conspiracy, maybe I’ll stay X79 with quad just to be safe 😅🙏🏼
The flaw in the arguement and all the other 'gamer focused' tech TH-camrs, is that gamers form a very small percentage of prebuilt PC buyers. They are not the companies core customer base, so for any comparison to be valid the testing also needs to focus on what most people use their computers for, which isn't gaming. That's a comparison that actully has merit for the majority. Most hardcore gamers build their own or if they have to buy an off the shelf pre-built from Dell or suchlike, the first thing they do is double up the ram. It's a pointless comparison unless there is also real world testing for general tasks. That's my view anyway, but your videos are great, so don't take this as a negative, just trying to bring some balance to a very one-sided and oft repeated demonstration.
I built my pc with one ram stick and sometimes my fps drops a lot, especially in arena, the only time my game feels smooth is when I’m in creative by myself or maybe just 4 others. Not to mention I have a i3 processor but I definitely wanna try to see if I upgraded my ram to dual or more, would it improve gameplay
Nice video. Your results matched my preconceived opinion on RAM. However, I am surprised that the "single channel" (aka single rank?) sticks performed almost as well as the "dual channel" (dual rank?). As far as your comment about not understanding why the OEM's sell the cheaper RAM ... well, big business is only in business to sell "stuff" ... & their market is ppl that don't know any better (cause if they did, they'd build their own). So being that the masses, in general, lack the skills & knowledge to build a proper computer, the OEM's capitalize on this & sell the cheapest hardware to minimize their COGS & maximize their profits ... NOT what is best for the consumer, but what is best for the mfgr. Their end product needs to be as stable as possible & not push the envelope of speed & tech in an effort to provide a reliable product while minimizing customer support interactions & costing the OEM more $$$ in tech support employees & RMA fulfillment (and likewise, bad press). You disagree w/ me? Then I submit the Intel Celeron processor as Exhibit 'A'. A processor that barely worked well for anything ... IMO ... other than text applications like MS Word or email ... & possibly some limited web browsing.
Most of the pre-build systems from Dawid's videos that exhibit bad 1%, 0.1% and inconsistent frametimes in-game behaviors uses a single 3200mhz or 2666mhz with c18 cas(or oven c20) and some of those didn't even have XMP enabled, which is why they are so much worse than your results.
I current have a 64Gb dual channel kit and I may just drop down to single stick and use the other one in another systems until I can find another 32GB kit for the other system.
you said it yourself in the intro, the purpose of the dual channel stuff is to provide a bigger bandwidth. you are using 4000mhz ram. the gap would be larger with lower ram, of with Apu's
im kinda weirded out by whats going on with my PC. I have an M.2 1tb SSD, Rtx3070 a ryzen 5 2600 with 16gigs of ram(singlechannel) and i just cant run even Battlefield 5 at ultra 1080p with stable 60fps
I had a bad memory stick so I removed it and went from 32GB's of RAM to 16GB, not just the games but Windows itself runs extremely slow.. Idk what to do.
I'm so mad a bought a laptop that had 32gb ram and I received it yesterday and I opened it and guess what ? It's a single stick and one open ram slot. Unfortunately I had to buy dual channel ram because single channel is bad on laptops. Unfortunately I simply could not add ram to it because 32gb is the max if supports I guess I'll sell the 32gb stick
I wonder if dual channel vs single channel is more of a factor on lower speed DDR3? This is definitely good news for extreme budget builds lol but everyone really should aim for dual channel.
So is it a bad idea to get 1 32gb ram stick and install it and leave one empty till I buy another 32gb stick ? Or is it best to just save up and get both ? It’s gotta be better than my current 16gb no ?
Page files my man, the page files are going to the nvme which is fast af, put it a hdd and make windows that can only create page files on the hdd, then you will see the true diferences betwen single and duall channel
hey my mobo doesnt support all the ram I have it works with 1 stick or I can use 2 sticks but only in slot A1 and A2 so I loose the dual channel getting 16gb of ram, is 1 slot of 8gb better than 2 slots of 8gb for 16 but in channel A1 and A2, it worked for a second in A1 B1 but I checked and the mother board MSI Tomahawk mag B550 does not support the ram I accidently got, I thought it was 3200 mhz but its 2400 mhz ddr4 and wont run all 4 stick or even 2 sticks unless in channels A1 and A2 the correct positions wont work.
Would this possibly make 2x8 better than 2x16, since 16 is usually enough to hold everything the game uses meaning the second channel of won't be used?
I am still left with the question: should i first buy a single stick of ddr5 32gb and then get another one or get a 2 sticks of 16gb and afterwards buy them again because i am not sure if i should leave room to be able to upgrade to 128gb when i need to
To me big company giving single channel big size memory is kinda blessings then harm as i can buy another single channel to upgrade and get more performance. And don't have to throw way old ram it's a win win for me but thts not the univesel solution. But yeah I'm just talking for myself not for others.
Im running CSGO on a Ryzen 3500x, x1 16gb Ram 2666mhz, Gtx 1650 4gb oc gddr 6, 600 gamdias psu. I have 400+ fps when i set everything on low. I am getting micro stuttering and can bearly peak corners. Now i believe this might have to do with me LTE network here is S.A but never had this issue before. I lowered my resolution as well and still stuttering. Changed setting within nvdia control panel and remains the same. When i type in net_graph 1 it seems that there is no issues at all. sv is low, no packet loss, var is good and fps is just through the roof. Now my screen is a 75hz monitor which i know can cause screen tearing but not stuttering. Ive limited my fps from 400 all the way down to 75hz and the stuttering still remains. Im so sick of this that i decided not to play until i have a solution. Upgrading with another 16gb ram still (in total 32Gb) of ram should hopefully solve the issue but i doubt it. Any advice on what might cause it? Also my temps seems to be fine.
Ram topology, better to use, recommend 2 slots on Daisy Chain (ram topology), and better to use all 4 slots on T Topology motherboards, assuming all the sticks u have used in both instances are with the same speed and timing. Your motherboard most probably has Daisy Chain topology since most are, certainly all ddr5 motherboards on market right now
It's a fact that both, dual channel is better and you do lose some performance with single channel... but also a fact that most youtubers blow the thing out of the real portion.
what you think about flex mode ? i have already ( 8x2 = 16 GB ) dual channel Rams and i want to add another 8 to make it 24GB and run it on flex mode . 2 or 4 frame drop is not a big deal to me i can sacrifice that for the sake of extra memory since i need it in montage apps . but still not sure , what you think should i go with it ?
I've got it setup for full negative pressure right now, with the two 140mm radiator fans and a third 140mm case fan all acting as exhausts. My GPU is too big to allow for a front radiator, otherwide I'd go for a more balanced airflow setup. It's a bit warm, but not to the point of concern.
@@IcebergTech cool, thanks a lot! i’ve always had issues with cpu temps for some reason, even though i’ve got three 120mm’s up front and two 140mm’s up top acting as intakes. i’ve got one 120mm at the back as exhaust. i’m using the phantom spirit to cool an oc’d ryzen 5 3600, i’ve tried remounting and using different pastes but it doesn’t really help
My laptop only have 2 slots and currently at 8 gb (dual). I plan to upgrade but it's hard to decide whether to buy 2 x 8gb or buy 1 x 16gb then buy another 16gb later. I guess im just trying to decide if im going to settle for 16gb total ram or is 32gb (in the future) too much
32gb is what you should consider today if you are doing anything more demanding than gaming and basic office work tomorrow. I have a L1 ram cache set up with Primocache that uses half of my RAM to accelerate a 16TB gaming storage drive to beyond NVME speeds. I think you should do a bit or reading on RAM caching first, and consider whether you will be doing anything like video editing, modelling, or CPU intensive background tasks. There is nothing bad about 16GB if you only intend to game, but sometimes in life we get scientific, engineering and statistical work offered to us - and it can be nice to know you can do most of it at home. As a student I benefitted from being able to do energy modelling simulations with the right RAM, and at work, I found AutoCAD and large area mapping of geospatial, 2D and 3D design worked really well. If I wanted to create videos for marketing, then I would also benefit from a little bit more. So my history has been that it is worth it in the long run. 16GB single channel now can scale up to 64GB if you ever need it. Whereas 8GB DIMM limits you a bit more. Luckily it is easy to find used online if you do need more.
Is there a performance difference when using 2 sticks of ram. placed either both in bank A vs 1 each in banks A&B (on a CPU with 2 channel ram support)?
Still don't understand Single / Kit On Crucial website, it shows that Single means 1 stick Kit means 2 Is Dual just another way / term of saying kit or 2 sticks??? If so, then why are singles cheaper to buy 2 separately than a kit? wth :D
Technically that’s to be expected, AMD only supports quad channel on Threadripper right now, though I heard something about dual rank modules performing slightly better with four sticks installed.
@@IcebergTech True, they can be a bit misleading. However you only need to look under the heatsink, from an angle and if there are chips on both side of the pcb then its dual rank. If there is only one row of chips on one side, its high density 16Gb chips or single rank. Btw I love your videos! I support you!
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I think the difference really is that it is a cost savings measure from OEMs, but the kinds of things most people do on those computers, don't need the extra bandwidth, games are constantly loading and unloading things from ram so the bandwidth becomes a bottle neck, but if you're just watching youtube or using excel, you're never going to notice that bandwidth restriction. It's also that a dual channel kit doesn't cost significantly more than just a single stick of the same quantity of ram, so if you plan to play games you should just spend the money on the dual channel kit because it's one of the best cost to performance upgrades you can make on a computer.
I am currently on single channel 16GB because my other stick reports errors on test 7 of memtest86+, i have to buy another set of RAM to use the lifetime warranty from G.Skill because they want entire set to send back. I have so much workload and general apathy to go through that malaise of RMA process, plus everything works just fine add to this another £200 to buy decent memory and selling whatever comes from RMA on ebay. For now I can live with 10% less performance.
I would NEVER recommend getting a dual channel prebuilt/laptop. They charge 20% higher price for it. Which is insane. Its always better to install it yourself. Its wayyyyyy cheaper that way.
I think prebuilt is fine if you are going for a more cheaper setup and you are a first timer. After that when you decide to upgrade, it should be with you installing it yourself.
@@pooliner thats basically what they said. buy a prebuilt and upgrade it yourself
@@pooliner "Prebuilt" and "cheaper setup" do not go together. If you are a first timer then sure, buy a prebuilt if you do not want to spend time learning how components fit together. But OP did say nearly what you recommended; when you decide to upgrade... install it yourself because it really is much cheaper.
Still don't understand Single / Kit
On Crucial website, it shows that
Single means 1 stick
Kit means 2
Is Dual just another way / term of saying kit or 2 sticks???
If so, then why are singles cheaper to buy 2 separately than a kit? wth :D
@@bobdawkins7473 A simple guide to ram: amount of ram > speed of ram > ram timings. Try to buy at least 2 sticks of ram so you can use dual channel on your setup, if you are wanting 16 gigs of ram get 2 sticks of 8g. Single channel on a motherboard means you are using either 1 stick of ram or you have your ram assorted in a way that only allows single channel (don't overthink this, a motherboard manual found online will let you know where to place your ram modules for dual channel)
The benefit of single men module from oem is that you only need to buy one stick of equal specs to go to dual channel. And you get to keep the orig stick when doubling ram instead of replacing two half size sticks.
Exactly. This is the reason I would prefer OEMs to sell with single stick rather than dual. It keeps the option to upgrade open.
My friend had laptop with only singe-ram.
i7-7700hq/GTX1050ti/8GB-2666hmz
Dark Souls 3 ran between 35-55 fps regardless of the graphic settings.
After I learned that her run with single channel I gave him strongly the advice to buy a second ram stick for dual channel.
With dual channel Dark Souls 3 ran finally with 60 fps :3
That boost is because of the extra ram not duel channel
@@harsharip no neccessarily. not enough ram most commonly affects the 1% and 0.1% lows, while average fps isn't effected so much if at all
Those specs seem oddly familiar to me. I had an Acer Nitro 5 from 2018. I threw another cheap 8 GB RAM module in there mere weeks after I bought it and it gave me several years of decent 1080 60 fps gaming.
@@potatoes5829if you get constant frame drops due to low RAM, it will affect your average quite a lot.
I believe why you saw less of a difference was that your single channel ram was dual rank. I bought a prebuilt in June 2020 and got a 16gb at 3200hz, single rank stick. I feel it would be worth retesting this with 1x16gb and 2x8 sticks, but with single rank on both configs. I anticipate this would be a more appropriate way to recreate a "real-world" prebuilt configuration.
Another factor may be, from other clips I have seen intel seems to benefit more from ram these days I think it may be cache related although I cant test this.
Did your pc run well on the 16gb single stick? Or were there any major downsides u noticed
Just discovered this vid and immediately came to the comments looking for this msg. This is not a perfect apples to apples comparison, and the dual rank stick still lost. A lone single rank stick would be even worse.
wandered over here from Dawid's comments. good video! nice mix of information and humor. subscribed.
with DDR5 having 2 channels per DIMM and approaching twice the transfer speeds, we might see single (64b) channel become a practical method to cut power consumption (and size) in laptops like how GPUs are getting fewer PCIe lanes. The trend of larger L3s would also help with this.
Similar to 6500xt, cost cutting here has awful synergy with cost cutting elsewhere though
I built Ryzen 1600 with RX580 some years back with one 8GB stick.
Worked fine but some games lagged.
The moment I put another 8GB stick, performance jumped phenomenally, despite RAM utilization remaining same.
I still have my r5 1600 and paired it with an rx 6600xt I got for cheap. Waiting on my 2nd stick of ram right now
8gb really does not cut it these days. 16gb is the sweet spot for most basic users who will not easily max out 16gb. RAM so cheap now, especially if you enter 2nd hand market. Adding an additional 16gb to home system for just $33.
Impacts of dual channel RAM are negligible or even inconsistent if you have decent dedicated GPU. But, if you have an APU with integrated graphics like 5700G, dual-channel RAM can give you up to 80 percent performance boost.
If i have a weaker gpu like a 1050 ti will dual channels effects be stronger ? My cpu is 10600k do you think i should upgade to dual channel?
@@abdulazizabdulaziz6304yes it will be 15% or so higher fps . I been using 32Gb with r5 4500 and 1050ti and can say dual channel did made some games playable which weren't
Is it ok to have all 4 slots of ram filled? Will there be no problem just in case?
@@abdulazizabdulaziz6304 do you think 1050ti weak ? I have nvidia 940mx it's fucking shit I would be happy if I have ryzen igpu like 680m or 780m
Another factor with pre-builts are they cut costs in other areas. Such as the motherboard.
The affect of using single channel memory really depends on the CPU. Ryzen, especially Zen and Zen+ are particularly sensitive to the RAM speed, timings and configuration. I think that's why the conversation became a hot button issue. Lol
Ironically the dude was playing on ryzen
Single-channel and dual-channel should make a more significant impact when using iGPUs since their performance is usually bandwidth limited by system RAM.
But I think in general, gaming on single-channel with a dGPU shouldn't have a big impact as you found out. Dual-channel memory should impact memory-intensive processes which games tend not to be unlike simulations, video production, etc,
That's on a case by case, Battlefield games for exemple have their 1% destroyed by single-channel and it's up to you to decide if it's worth it or not based on the games and aplications you use but to be fair the diffenrence in price is so low that it's almost a sin for DIY gamers not to use it. For big OEMs it makes sense because even if it's just a little bit cheaper when you multiply that for the thousands of systems they ship every day those pennies become millions.
@@prizrak-br3332 It's a question what game-engine is used and if you are bottlenecked by a different component. Icebergs results for CP 2077 is a good example. Basically the game is more limited by the GPU than RAM. I would not call having 0.1% lows of 34 instead´of 39 FPS a big deal while playing. I doubt many would be able to tell the difference when not also shown on screen.
once you understand a couple of things everything becomes clearer.
understanding the idea behind dual channel... break it into more of a real world visualization. object is to get from point A back to A with information thats behind a door or set of doors. simplistically one larger room is well.. more simple.. but its not.
behind a single door the room filled with filing cabinets and a maze to go through, you have the address in your hand so you start walking to where you need to go but this could be easily in the back of the room, back corner even. you would have to travel the whole way to get there, then go back to point A.
with two doors, you pick the first part of the address so you go through one of the doors, the rooms are half the size, less information and less area to travel through. you will be standing back outside in much less time than the one door counterpart.
this also is why memory defragmentation helps too. not a lot or for long, but it does. if the single or double rooms are better organized and more towards the front of the room, less area to cover whether you are dropping off something or picking it up.
the reason the companies give you a single is MONEY. it doesn't cost them double to make a single stick. you have a BIT less material cost, then you have the manufacturing time per product. its twice as fast (almost) to make a single memory stick than it does for 2. it's also one less item they have to cover in warranty to fail. they only need to MARKET and ADVERTISE the amount of memory. most computer users wouldn't know 1 vs 2 sticks and why one option is better.
computer companies relied on consumer ignorance for decades. selling them half cache sized CPUs, single mem sticks, and lower cache sized HDDs and lower RPM HDDs. then they advertise on raw sizes and speeds of some things, but not the whole picture. people that build and understand the parts are not just doing it cause same stats are cheaper for the DIYer, but they also get these small things that really add up in the end. computer companies cut these corners, and often pay closer to manufacturing costs than what we see in the shops and online.
the ONLY advantage of single stick is in the future adding more. you just buy a second stick, and when you buy 2 more sticks (doors and much smaller rooms) you don't have to upgrade the 4x8gb sticks.
Back in the day when I was poor and was working with early i3 based gaming rigs. I came to the conclusion that RAM doesn't make much difference. I have used mixed sized RAM, mixed speeds RAM, single channel RAM, Dual channel RAM, etc. Never noticed anything different between any of the RAM platforms without having a FPS monitor running like Afterburner to show it. Morale of my story, use whatever RAM you can fit in your slots and you should be fine.
I realize I'm a late commenter on this video, but I have a single 32GB stick of DDR4-3200 paired with a Ryzen 5 5600 and RTX 2070 Super (because my motherboard is crap lmao), and at least for single-player games at 1080p, I do not notice any problems that I can reliably blame on the RAM being single-channel. Even in CPU-demanding games like the Callisto Protocol, I was still able to get a near-locked 60 fps without noticeable stutters. Yeah, I might be able to get a performance uplift from 2 sticks, but it doesn't feel strictly necessary in order to keep games running OK.
I think folks still saying how 2 rams are stuck in time this video and others shows it’s not needed no more
For people with integrated Graphics The Dual Channel bandwidth makes a huge difference.
A Ryzen 7 5700G with Vega 7 can play most AAA games at 1080p but not in single channel mode.
I think if we assume the same capacity is used, it really is just an annoying downgrade of performance, even if slender. It's a bigger hit than having secondary apps open in the background, for example. (See Hardware Unboxed's video on that subject for reference)
Am not a serious gamer, so i doubt i could tell the differences in game play. Really thought the gap would be a lot bigger.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said 'measurable difference'. A couple of years ago my PC would only work with a single stick of RAM, 8GB down from 16GB, due to a motherboard issue. When it came to gaming I honestly didn't feel the difference while playing. I mean logically I know there was a difference but I didn't feel it while playing.
Some games the impact is bigger than other that's just it, the reason they use single-channel in pre builts is that in most games the difference isn't game breaking so for them it isn't worth it but there are a few games that have their performance killed by single-channel like BFV and BF1 but to be honest in David's case it was that bad mostly because of bloatware and a overheating CPU, the single-channel was just contributing for the worsening of the problem.
Great job! And you helped me win the intervention, thanks
2400 MHz DDR4 can already transfer 19 GB/s on a single stick of RAM. That's plenty IMO.
If I'm gonna miss out on say 15% performance, the whole build should be at least 15 to 20% cheaper IMHO. If not, then it doesn't matter either way? Hence, this is why they do it because price makes it appeal more to the average consumer since they generally still have decent capacity RAM. So, basically you're right, tubers are overreacting on this.
Also, the argument that you have to buy an entire new RAM kit to have dual channel is also quite silly. Nowadays most RAM are compatible to pair with different brands, the only thing that would happen is if you use 1 3200mhz and 1 3600mhz, they will downclock to the lowest capacity stick, being 3200mhz in my example.
You're channel is underrated and deserves more recognition. Cheers!
The point is more that OEMs often include rather low clocked single channel RAM sticks. As long as the bandwidth is enough I don't think there is that much of an issue, where it absolutely isn't makes for the problems as far as I know.
I'm here after Dawid's video about how much ram you need, it's cool to see he's finally found out that it doesn't matter that much
Excelent video, now i have a clear idea about it. Thank you!
Prebuilts use one stick of RAM because some people do not know that anything other than the capacity of RAM matters. I have seen a lot of people assume that more gigs of RAM always results in a faster computer. I've also seen "gaming" computers that have a GT 710 with a CPU that had a better iGPU for gaming.
Just found out there is another channel of yours... great =) more well made content to watch!
Lol, erm... it's a bit old and unloved. Not my best work.
Can I ask why you decided to use a different stick of ram when you could have put both your 2x8gb into single channel by putting them in the wrong slot?
That’s where the free missing performance is TH-camrs rant about. Do a test to see if installing ram in the wrong slot-therefore tasting if dual is better than single.
Your test doesn’t have enough data points to compare if you are using different sticks.
Thanks for the video. Hope to see more content. 👍
Likley David's computer would be using single ranks so you got a advantage using dual. Also your GPU has 8gb vram when most of population is probs on 1060-2060 do 4-6gb vram .
Your SSD is probs more premium as well for instance my pre build came with a green SSD which is super slow in comparison . So hitting page file would be way more obvious
would love to see you try this with systems using integrated graphics like a miniPC or just a PC with one of the Ryzen G processors or any intel chip. With both the CPU and GPU using a single ram channel I would expect a much larger performance drop compared to dual channel setups.
That 5600x seems to be doing pretty good with single channel. I think older ryzens are more sensitive to this.
When i upgraded to ryzen in 2017, ram kit i bought had 1 stick not working. When i got replacement, the difference was huge, like it could go from stuttery 100 fps to smooth 140 fps.
I think you should study asyncronous dual channel and flex mode, you could test configurations such as 8+16GB per channel, 8+8 & 16 + 16GB both being 48GB and see what runs best? The fist one might be best since then you could have 3 memory ranks per channel, the latter would probably be bette the moment you go past 32GB? I really wanna see the science! :3
The only problem with this test is that the big pre built manufacturers like dell and hp is that not only do they ship single channel ram. They also ship ram with horrid timings. If you wanted to be very accurate you would have to use ram like 3000 cl22
I think it's benafits fits people more to have single from a sellers point. See but doing sat 16gb stick insted of dual 8gb when the customer gets it if they want to upgrade they can buy 1 stick of 16 but if it was 2 sticks of 8 they now have to spend double to upgrade to get that 32gb they wanted. Also most users who are gamers that know about stuff are going to build or custom thier pc and if buy a prebuilt prefer single stick so that can save money addi g 1 stick insted of replacing g 2
i think it might be abit bias but from my own shopping experiences, when I buy desktop pc in Taiwan, they always have promotions for like throwing extra slab of ram with the pc etc, so zi thought it is always better that oem only come with 1 slab of ram to keep the slots free. But In New Zealand (my 2nd home), they often strip and downgrade the parts and never offer you any extra parts for free, but expect you to upgrade at very high costs
So my dad bought a prebuilt pc in our house and the RAM is 8GB single channelled. The gaming experience has been terrible to me. Its does "run" games but the 1% fps drops in the games just makes it completely unplayable. So a NO for me for Single channel. Also if you say single channel is cheaper, I think if you're ready to spend money in a whole pc why not chuck in one more RAM its not THAT expensive since you're going to get a whole PC at the end.
Just bought a pc off of eBay and went and got it and everything worked out perfect. I didn’t read that it only had single channel 8gb and the max speed was 2133 mhz 😢. The specs are a i5 6600 and a 1660 super which is pretty solid for Fortnite but at the moment the ram is such a bottleneck I have just bought 2 8gb sticks 😊
I have a 12700 and I have a great speed of 3600 MHz with 1 stick, and I get less fps drops with that in A2 compared to when I use 2 sticks of 3200. I get fewer stutters, so it's not just using 2 separate sticks where it always gives less stutters and drops; it depends on game optimisation. Also, in games where I don't see hardly any difference at all in stutters or drops using either sticks,I also noticed if capping to 100-60 a person can use 1 stick and hardly any stutters or drops will happen; their reduced a lot, so yeah, 1 stick is enough; it just depends on game optimisation or how the CPU handles it.
Interesting. From my experience, Intel always has more throughput with multichannel RAM than AMD does for some reason. I find that 4 sticks of RAM over 2 sticks (when possible) is also faster.
I just upgraded to dual channel, and I'm getting a 7% improvement in Borderlands 3, on mostly badass settings with gtx 1650 gddr6
You should have loaded something like factorio or Satisfactory with a large prebuild factory it will chew through your ram
With the advent of DDR5, and it's effective dual channel on a single stick, the difference between one versus two sticks doesn't matter quite as much as it used to. It still matters, but, it's not the end of the world anymore.
I would like to see this on a more humble system, if a device needs to squish performance those are the cheeper ones. I would like to see if the gains are scalled through the system
Indeed it seems like most prebuilts are just trying to save a few bucks. I understand that their margins aren't great, but some prebuilts do have dual. My HP from 2020 had 2x8Gb from the factory, but it wasn't entry level. So they can do it, they just rather not most of the time haha
My mom's new HP laptop (NOT AT ALL A GAMING LAPTOP) came with two sticks of RAM for some reason
The only argument I can think of is you buy one stick today because you want to upgrade to more memory in the future but can only afford one stick at the time. (or hope prices drop.) And your system only has 2 dimm slots available. (such as a laptop.)
Corporations don’t necessarily prioritize cost savings over benefits to the customer. The thing with prebuilt PCs with single ram sticks is that there’s information asymmetry present. Their typical customer just doesn’t know that there is a benefit, so why provide it?
Personally, after one of my RAMs broke (i had 16x2 3600) i noticed a significant lag while video editing (Vegas Pro and After effects)
gaming is pretty much the same
from a 16 single channel you can go to 32 dual channel and to 64 maybe, but from 16 dual channel you can go to 32 before filling up the slots
I would like to see single, dual and quad rank benchmarks please.
Sadly I only can go single channel, I bought a open box motherboard and had to pins missing on the cpu (am5 motherboard) so I searched for a blueprint or schematics and found out both pins that are missing are from channel B and when I try to insert ram there it wouldn't even boot 😢 so I'm with a 32gb 5600hz single channel ram. It still works Great tho
So more ram will make my game stop getting little freezes?
Great video, I know that Intel isn’t too fussy about dual channel ram but certainly Ryzen and I know the lower end systems can suffer majorly but maybe I was wrong, maybe we where all wrong, maybe this is a conspiracy, maybe I’ll stay X79 with quad just to be safe 😅🙏🏼
Prebuilts are deals for exclusive regions. No way in heck I will ever have a single RAM stick.
The flaw in the arguement and all the other 'gamer focused' tech TH-camrs, is that gamers form a very small percentage of prebuilt PC buyers. They are not the companies core customer base, so for any comparison to be valid the testing also needs to focus on what most people use their computers for, which isn't gaming. That's a comparison that actully has merit for the majority.
Most hardcore gamers build their own or if they have to buy an off the shelf pre-built from Dell or suchlike, the first thing they do is double up the ram. It's a pointless comparison unless there is also real world testing for general tasks. That's my view anyway, but your videos are great, so don't take this as a negative, just trying to bring some balance to a very one-sided and oft repeated demonstration.
I built my pc with one ram stick and sometimes my fps drops a lot, especially in arena, the only time my game feels smooth is when I’m in creative by myself or maybe just 4 others. Not to mention I have a i3 processor but I definitely wanna try to see if I upgraded my ram to dual or more, would it improve gameplay
Nice video. Your results matched my preconceived opinion on RAM. However, I am surprised that the "single channel" (aka single rank?) sticks performed almost as well as the "dual channel" (dual rank?).
As far as your comment about not understanding why the OEM's sell the cheaper RAM ... well, big business is only in business to sell "stuff" ... & their market is ppl that don't know any better (cause if they did, they'd build their own). So being that the masses, in general, lack the skills & knowledge to build a proper computer, the OEM's capitalize on this & sell the cheapest hardware to minimize their COGS & maximize their profits ... NOT what is best for the consumer, but what is best for the mfgr. Their end product needs to be as stable as possible & not push the envelope of speed & tech in an effort to provide a reliable product while minimizing customer support interactions & costing the OEM more $$$ in tech support employees & RMA fulfillment (and likewise, bad press).
You disagree w/ me? Then I submit the Intel Celeron processor as Exhibit 'A'. A processor that barely worked well for anything ... IMO ... other than text applications like MS Word or email ... & possibly some limited web browsing.
You really should have tested this with the RAM at stock since bandwidth is the issue.
so thats what im missing when 1 of 2 dimms just get shorted out and stop working :(
its on a laptop too so I'm kinda sad rn
Most of the pre-build systems from Dawid's videos that exhibit bad 1%, 0.1% and inconsistent frametimes in-game behaviors uses a single 3200mhz or 2666mhz with c18 cas(or oven c20) and some of those didn't even have XMP enabled, which is why they are so much worse than your results.
00:37 who are the other tech TH-camrs there? Excluding Dawid and Linus
I current have a 64Gb dual channel kit and I may just drop down to single stick and use the other one in another systems until I can find another 32GB kit for the other system.
you said it yourself in the intro, the purpose of the dual channel stuff is to provide a bigger bandwidth. you are using 4000mhz ram. the gap would be larger with lower ram, of with Apu's
im kinda weirded out by whats going on with my PC. I have an M.2 1tb SSD, Rtx3070 a ryzen 5 2600 with 16gigs of ram(singlechannel) and i just cant run even Battlefield 5 at ultra 1080p with stable 60fps
I had a bad memory stick so I removed it and went from 32GB's of RAM to 16GB, not just the games but Windows itself runs extremely slow.. Idk what to do.
enable XMP
Save a little on ramsticks
and make a little when customer wants to install another one.
I'm so mad a bought a laptop that had 32gb ram and I received it yesterday and I opened it and guess what ? It's a single stick and one open ram slot. Unfortunately I had to buy dual channel ram because single channel is bad on laptops. Unfortunately I simply could not add ram to it because 32gb is the max if supports I guess I'll sell the 32gb stick
The reason OEM's do that so people can buy another stick of ram and have a slot ready to go if they want more ram.
I wonder if dual channel vs single channel is more of a factor on lower speed DDR3? This is definitely good news for extreme budget builds lol but everyone really should aim for dual channel.
I’ll have a chance to look into that soon, I have plans to test some interesting older CPUs
So is it a bad idea to get 1 32gb ram stick and install it and leave one empty till I buy another 32gb stick ? Or is it best to just save up and get both ? It’s gotta be better than my current 16gb no ?
I accidentally bought a custom PC with 1x16 instead of 2x8
It has a 1660 ti
And 5 5600x
Well, DDR4 4000, does really not bottleneck cpu or gpu. Try DDR4 2133 or DDR3 1600Mhz and you will noticte diference in every game. Newer or older.
Page files my man, the page files are going to the nvme which is fast af, put it a hdd and make windows that can only create page files on the hdd, then you will see the true diferences betwen single and duall channel
hey my mobo doesnt support all the ram I have it works with 1 stick or I can use 2 sticks but only in slot A1 and A2 so I loose the dual channel getting 16gb of ram, is 1 slot of 8gb better than 2 slots of 8gb for 16 but in channel A1 and A2, it worked for a second in A1 B1 but I checked and the mother board MSI Tomahawk mag B550 does not support the ram I accidently got, I thought it was 3200 mhz but its 2400 mhz ddr4 and wont run all 4 stick or even 2 sticks unless in channels A1 and A2 the correct positions wont work.
Would this possibly make 2x8 better than 2x16, since 16 is usually enough to hold everything the game uses meaning the second channel of won't be used?
I am still left with the question: should i first buy a single stick of ddr5 32gb and then get another one or get a 2 sticks of 16gb and afterwards buy them again because i am not sure if i should leave room to be able to upgrade to 128gb when i need to
have you find the answer?
@@tomaszkorytkowski1399 bought a single 32 gig srick
I use single chanel because the 32gb stick was dirt cheap. its fine but i will probably get an 8gig stick from a friend or something
Your ram sticks should be identical, identical in brand, speed, and capacity, so you should get either another 32 gb stick
How much the difference if you use Integrated Graphics Instead? Could you test it with AMD Ryzen 5 5600g with single and dual channel benchmark?
Single channel will be better if it was cheaper
To me big company giving single channel big size memory is kinda blessings then harm as i can buy another single channel to upgrade and get more performance. And don't have to throw way old ram it's a win win for me but thts not the univesel solution. But yeah I'm just talking for myself not for others.
Maybe try test single channel RAM but single rank and dual rank
Im running CSGO on a Ryzen 3500x, x1 16gb Ram 2666mhz, Gtx 1650 4gb oc gddr 6, 600 gamdias psu. I have 400+ fps when i set everything on low. I am getting micro stuttering and can bearly peak corners. Now i believe this might have to do with me LTE network here is S.A but never had this issue before. I lowered my resolution as well and still stuttering. Changed setting within nvdia control panel and remains the same. When i type in net_graph 1 it seems that there is no issues at all. sv is low, no packet loss, var is good and fps is just through the roof. Now my screen is a 75hz monitor which i know can cause screen tearing but not stuttering. Ive limited my fps from 400 all the way down to 75hz and the stuttering still remains. Im so sick of this that i decided not to play until i have a solution. Upgrading with another 16gb ram still (in total 32Gb) of ram should hopefully solve the issue but i doubt it. Any advice on what might cause it? Also my temps seems to be fine.
When you said cheap memory at the end you demonstrated an image of samsung logo, are you suggesting samsung is cheap memory?
I was using 32gb 4x8 ram sticks in my pc and was slower than 2x8 16gb. Why is that 32gb seems slower in 4 slots?
Ram topology, better to use, recommend 2 slots on Daisy Chain (ram topology), and better to use all 4 slots on T Topology motherboards, assuming all the sticks u have used in both instances are with the same speed and timing. Your motherboard most probably has Daisy Chain topology since most are, certainly all ddr5 motherboards on market right now
It's a fact that both, dual channel is better and you do lose some performance with single channel... but also a fact that most youtubers blow the thing out of the real portion.
what you think about flex mode ?
i have already ( 8x2 = 16 GB ) dual channel Rams
and i want to add another 8 to make it 24GB and run it on flex mode .
2 or 4 frame drop is not a big deal to me i can sacrifice that for the sake of extra memory since i need it in montage apps .
but still not sure , what you think should i go with it ?
hey, just wondering, i’m also using the same case as you are, what is your fan configuration? have you had any issues with airflow?
I've got it setup for full negative pressure right now, with the two 140mm radiator fans and a third 140mm case fan all acting as exhausts. My GPU is too big to allow for a front radiator, otherwide I'd go for a more balanced airflow setup.
It's a bit warm, but not to the point of concern.
@@IcebergTech cool, thanks a lot! i’ve always had issues with cpu temps for some reason, even though i’ve got three 120mm’s up front and two 140mm’s up top acting as intakes. i’ve got one 120mm at the back as exhaust. i’m using the phantom spirit to cool an oc’d ryzen 5 3600, i’ve tried remounting and using different pastes but it doesn’t really help
My laptop only have 2 slots and currently at 8 gb (dual). I plan to upgrade but it's hard to decide whether to buy 2 x 8gb or buy 1 x 16gb then buy another 16gb later. I guess im just trying to decide if im going to settle for 16gb total ram or is 32gb (in the future) too much
32gb is what you should consider today if you are doing anything more demanding than gaming and basic office work tomorrow. I have a L1 ram cache set up with Primocache that uses half of my RAM to accelerate a 16TB gaming storage drive to beyond NVME speeds. I think you should do a bit or reading on RAM caching first, and consider whether you will be doing anything like video editing, modelling, or CPU intensive background tasks. There is nothing bad about 16GB if you only intend to game, but sometimes in life we get scientific, engineering and statistical work offered to us - and it can be nice to know you can do most of it at home. As a student I benefitted from being able to do energy modelling simulations with the right RAM, and at work, I found AutoCAD and large area mapping of geospatial, 2D and 3D design worked really well. If I wanted to create videos for marketing, then I would also benefit from a little bit more. So my history has been that it is worth it in the long run. 16GB single channel now can scale up to 64GB if you ever need it. Whereas 8GB DIMM limits you a bit more. Luckily it is easy to find used online if you do need more.
what about single-rank vs. dual-rank?
Is there a performance difference when using 2 sticks of ram. placed either both in bank A vs 1 each in banks A&B (on a CPU with 2 channel ram support)?
your channel is so underratet
Still don't understand Single / Kit
On Crucial website, it shows that
Single means 1 stick
Kit means 2
Is Dual just another way / term of saying kit or 2 sticks???
If so, then why are singles cheaper to buy 2 separately than a kit? wth :D
6700xt 5600x... But single channel 16gb 2400mhz, should I buy 2x8 3200mhz? Would it make a noticable difference?
7:05m Which game was that again? I used to play this, but I just can't remember the name.
splitgate
I went from dual sticks RAM to Quad sticks. Can't tell the difference.
Technically that’s to be expected, AMD only supports quad channel on Threadripper right now, though I heard something about dual rank modules performing slightly better with four sticks installed.
what's faster and better, 4 sticks of 32gigs of ram or 2 sticks of 32 gigs?
Quick question: is your 16GB stick dual rank or single rank? Thanks!
Dual rank, at least according to HWInfo. I understand these programs aren't 100% reliable, however.
@@IcebergTech True, they can be a bit misleading. However you only need to look under the heatsink, from an angle and if there are chips on both side of the pcb then its dual rank. If there is only one row of chips on one side, its high density 16Gb chips or single rank. Btw I love your videos! I support you!
do i3 9100f and h310m support 2×16gb ram dual channel??
playing on 8 gb 3333 in dual channel and feells good