Nissan Frontier and Xterra Titan Swap Explained
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- This is a basic breakdown of the common Titan swap and front suspension and drivetrain for Nissan Xterra and Frontier trucks. Be advised that there are gearing issues you will run into if you swap in a M205 diff into a stock Xterra. For more information contact Nissteclifts.com and they will be more than happy to help!
Nisstec R180 Titan Swap Kit.
Frontier: nissteclifts.co...
Xterra: nissteclifts.co...
some additions to the Video. For a titan Swap there is a bit more that goes into it as far as making sure you have the right gear ratios, extended brake lines etc. That being said Nisstec has done all the hard work for you and has a full kit that is 100% bolt on.
DaGrootX 1 yr later but great Vid... Q : Would this Titan kit swap be applicable to a 07 Frontier 2WD to make it a 4X4 ? Any electrical work need to be down aswell or should I just trade mine in for a 4X4 ? Thanks
DaGrootX will a 05 titan upper control arms work on a 2012 frontier pro4x?
@@rdelacruz1987
I say trade in the 2WD for a 4WD Frontier. It'll be a lot easier to buy a 4x4 than converting a newer truck like yours into full 4WD. Lots of electrical work there, bud. Not too mention transfer case, etc.
Levi Elizondo yes it will
What can I do for a 03 frontier everything I see is 05 and up
Is it possible to have an engine swap only (VQ40 to VK56) without swapping the differentials and control arms? Sorry dumb question, I’m not into ride height just want to add some powah babeh 😅
Yes. You can absolutely just do a VK SWAP without changing suspension.
Do I get a good deal on a titan swap for my 07 xterra if I send you a nice microphone for future videos ? ;)
stevey500 I’m sure I could make something happen. Lol
What about the engine upgrade? I understand you can also swap out the Xterra engine for the Titan V8. Does that just bolt in as well?
Yes, the only difference is you'll have to send the wiring harness to get adapted to your Frontier
Hi Guys, just want to know if possible only the Upper Arm Control of Titan to be swap to my Extra 2006 so i can longer travel on my spring? Without changing the lower arm control. Thanks
No. If you were to swap just the upper arm the tire would be extremely crooked. The titan swap moves the wheel out 3” on each side. So if you just installed the upper arm the top of the tire would be set out 3” and the bottom would stay stock.
Hello I have a 2009 Nissan Xterra and I want to make sure u saying I can put the Nissan Titan front and back suspension without any mods just bolts right in I would like to do that as long I can bolt them straight on cuz it wud help my truck lift alittle higher cuz I wanna put 33 on my truck without damaging my transmission let me know asap on ur input thank you 🙏
The front will bolt in. However, since the titan rear axle is wider you will have to cut off rear leaf spring mounts and weld on new mounts. Also, there will be different rear brakes in the rear. You are better off installing a rear axle from a pro4x model. They bolt in and have the 3.63 gearing that you would be looking for.
You said 05 and up so they won’t fit Xterra 00 to 04?? Just trying to make sure
Sam Alhakim correct. 05 is the newer body style. That’s when they changed the entire vehicle. aka second gen.
I have a 2011 nissan frontier pro 4x and wanting a 3 in a half to 4 inch lift. Will the titan swap work for me or do I need to just do a normal type lift
Charles Nickell was the Titan swap would be perfect for that amount on lift. It’s right around 4” or lift and you get way more performance compared to a typical 3” lift.
@@Dagrootx thank you
Can you TS in stages? Stage 1: Front and Rear shocks with SPC UCAs, AAL and adjustable rear shackles. Stage 2: LCAs, M205, Titan CVs, Titan tie rods and wheel spacers for the rear. Great video! Thanks!
Can I do a swap using titan parts on an 06 Pathfinder? Or do I HAVE to go with Armada parts?
Can you swap out the v6 to the Titan v8
Did reverse the Ball joint on regular xterra spc uca Will achive the lenght for titan swap
No.
I have a 04 xterra, if it’s going to be a pavement princess, and I swap to a 5.6. Do I need to swap the frt/rear diff?
No. But the swap won’t work on a 04 either way.
first off, I am responsible for any upgrades not you. with that, people are putting 18" coilovers for standard titan swap offroad lift. I want a 6" lift, I found n3 22" coilover recomended for 6" lift These measures are full extension. shock travel looks pretty good. what do you think of this build.
Ok what about swapping the rear Xterra differential for a titan? Is it as easy as you make a front swap. 😅
So you’re saying I can pull the hole suspension off a titan and it will bolt on my frontier
Caveman Mario technically yes. You must consider your gear ratios though when installing a differential. Secondly, brakes and spindles won’t work without a bunch of other mods so keep your stock ones. They work fine. Lastly, stock Titan shocks will not fit. They have a different top hat on the coilovers. Companies like nissteclifts.com Prg and rugged rocks sell Titan length coilovers with the frontier/Xterra top hats.
Makes me want to buy a Xterra and do a Titan swap.
Where did you get the front bumper?
That Nisstec banner is a collector's item now. 😔
I'm guessing since I have a 6-speed PRO4X Xterra I can't swap in a M205? I haven't seen them in 3.69 gears.
John Brandon Dunker basically the answer is no. Though I feel like regearing to 4-10s is the way to go if your running 33" or taller tires.
Xterra Performance thank you. At this point I'm more worried about the longevity of my R180 so I'll probably go with an air locker or Lokka.
I'm in the same boat. And you are correct. No M205s came with 3.69s and there are no gear kits for that ratio. The easy solution is to upgrade to 4.10's in both axles or if you're going to go bigger, 4.56s. With the 3.69s going to 35s and 4.10s puts you a bit better than stock. It's effectively 3.78 when compared to stock. Which is more than ample for driving and wheeling performance.
I'm also in the same boat with the 6MT. The level of effort and expense to re-gear is just not worth it to me although I really like my Xterra. Plus, I hate any kind of mods. Kinda wish I would have bought the FJ Cruiser, instead.
Hey I just got a 2014 Nissan Frontier but i want to get it lifted but dont know which kit, I like the titan swap idea where would i go to get that done
You said wheel base when you meant track width....and those "ribs" on the diff are not for cooling they are for structural integrity. Usually to prevent cracking or fractures.
I just bought a 2006 Frontier 4wd that already has a rough country drop bracket 6in lift installed. Can I still do a titan away using titan control arms?
Leo Van yes you can. There are som nuances that you will have to work through for the drop bracket swap though. Check out thenewx.org. There are a few drop bracket builds on there that will help you understand all the things you will need. That setup is a really killer way to go!
If I ask Nissan dealership guys to do it, would they do it for me?
Totally depends on the dealership. I would suggest a reputable aftermarket shop.
when yu guys talkin abaut titan swap it all the power train?
What about the rear end?
Hi would you know if 04 titan suspension swaps into my 2010 xterra x ?
Is the M205 based on a Dana Axle like the rear is? Just curious, I am very familiar with the rear as I have pulled it apart when I installed my Grizzly locker... haven't had reason to dig into the front yet. Also, is the M226 actually a 8.9 inch gear unlike the 8.5 of a conventional D44? Should of measured it when I had it out but didn't think to. Just curious, not important. I may swap out the front and rear gears at some point for 3.73, but it's fine for now.
they are both built on the nissan f-alpha platform
Hey I have a 2004 xterra would putting a titan 5.6l engine be pretty similar to the mounts already in the 3.3l?
thanks for the video man. I am looking on upgrading my 2016 frontier sv 4x4 with a 6 inch suspension lift and 35s. I have seen it done several times by others but I want to make sure I don't overload my transmission because of gearing. Would a titan swap be a better option?
Daniel Arledge in my opinion waaaay better option. The 6 inch is more of a suspension drop. No extra performance. The Titan swap gives you more travel and much better performance and shock options! If you really want to run 35s run a 2” body lift with the Titan swap and run 4:10 gears.
With this lift kit do you still think I will
Be able to tow my 3800 trailer around?
Would this automatically lift my 05 4x4 Frontier? Can you like my comment if you respond so I can see your response if you respond? I know this video is 4 years old
As long as you use proper lift parts like SPC upper arms and a titan swap coil over yes it will lift the truck.
Im running Bilstein 5100 levelling shocks in the front of my frontier, I notice a lot of people are either running coil overs or adding spacers or both after the instal, is this a must? can i get the desired effect without having to add coil overs?
How about an armada swap for the rear on a 06 pathfinder?
Great info in your video! Owned a Titan for almost a decade and know they are notorious for having wheel hub issues when they are lifted. I've been wanting to do a Titan swapped Frontier and was wondering if you have issues with the wheel hubs going out?
Luckily that seeemed to only be a Titan issue. No probs with xterra and frontier hubs.
Do you have any warning lights come on the dash after installing a Titan swap?
Can this swap be done on a 2002 Xterra?
Unfortunately no.
If you swap the r180 for the m205, does it just bolt up directly?
It does. You will need to make sure that you have the same rear axle gears as the m205 though. If you have a pro4x they have the same 3.36 gears. If you don’t the. Your gear ratio will need to be changed in your rear end or you can gear both diffs to 4.10s etc etc.
@@Dagrootx I've got a 2012 pro4x Xterra, so my gears will already match that of the Titan?
@@locknload4x468 then you better swap that SOB and unlock boss mode. You won’t be sorry! 🤘😜
Can u swap the rear end as well.. Or would the gear ratio be the same on both the feont ends you just showed
vincent barnett so they way it works basically is that if you have the Pro4x version it comes with the same gear ratio as a Titan 3.36. So you can swap in the m205. If you have a manual then you have a different gearing. 3.69 I believe. If you Don’t have a PRO4x then you would either run the longer axles for the r180 or regear your front and rear diffs. You can swap in a pro4x rear axle as well. That’s a common thing that happens due to it having the rear locker as well.
hey, i have a 2001 1st gen nissan xterra, would it be possible to do a swap on a 1st gen?? also would there be a specific titan model i would need to swap from?? thx
Hi, informative video, but as you may know the Frontier D40 is called the Navara D40 in the Caribbean. And they only came with the rear axle assembly with the drum brakes. I know that the US version came with disc brakes at the rear, could you say if they're interchangeable (swappable).
I have a '17 frontier do I need components from a '17 titan? If not what years wills work for a titan swap?
its possible to do a Swap on a 2003 Frontier?
Have an 05 xterra and Iam trying to do something like this. Do you have a full list of all the parts you used? Looking to raise it a few inches as well
I want to do a swap on a xterra to a vk56 but can i still keep it the same height because i want a sporty look not a offroad look and can any shop do this or do i have to do custom work
I live in South Texas and I can’t find anyone who will do this for me. I have a 15’ Desert Runner and am wanting to do the Titan swap.
I live in el paso tx i will do this my self
Do you have to extend the steering column?
I would like to go 5-6" of suspension lift
anthony cook, the steering column only needs to be extended when doing a body lift. you can get away with doing a 2" body lift and there is enough play in the steering shaft for you to loosen the bolt on the shaft and slide it up and lock it back in. For suspension lifts the steering shaft does not come into play.
If you are only doing a suspension lift you don’t have to extend the steering column.
Nice. Do you have a kit to bolt in a Cummins 2.8R?🤞
I Live in the Woods I can do anything for the right amount of money. Lol🤣😜😜😳
Do they have a titan swap for an 02 Xterra or what would you recommend
No. They are completely different. The most you can do with the stock setup is sway a way torsion bars. bilstein shocks and maybe some upper control arms.
Hi, do you know if the new Fox 2.0 coil overs I just put on my X will still fit if I do the swap? Thanks, and thanks for the video
For it do you need the extended brakes lines or it should be fine just with the tie rod extension
You will need extended brake lines!
Do you know where to obtain that and the extensión tie rod
@@Elite.University247 NISSTEC has the brake lines. For the tie rods I recommend just replacing inner and outer with Titan ones
for the titan swap with my 2018 frontier, can I use either the Nisstec MK84 or the Bilstein 6112 coilovers?
And what rear shocks would I use with them?
You could but you would need to add a 3” spacer on it. it’s not worth spending the money. If your gonna swap then get a coilover that will make the swap worth it. Swapping and then using a coilover that is designed for a non swap would be defeating the purpose of the entire swap.
@@Dagrootx I already have the 3" spacer and rear 2" lift block, and these coilovers are $400 to $700 as opposed to radflo $1200 kinda high for me. thanks for the advice, maybe i;m not ready.
can you do the titan swap on a 2wd frontier. just use 2wd titan arms.
steven carter , yes. It's actually way easier on a 2wd. Just. Are sure and get Titan inner and outer tie rods or tie rod extensions.
Steven Carter
But why would you go through all that trouble for a truck that's only 2WD?
@@Dagrootx
How high of a lift can you go on a Frontier, safely, before going to a 'Titan swap' kit? And on a Frontier with a Titan set up? What's the benefit of doing this "swap", lift wise?
Okie Rider Full race trophy trucks are 2wd. -less axels to break
I’ve got a 2012 pro-4x Xterra and am considering this swap. I’m wonder what to do about gettin this same track width front and back. I don’t want it to look silly being significantly wider in the front the top he back
Dylan Hayter so the common method is running a 1.5” or two inch bolt on spidertrax spacer in the rear. Having a slightly more narrow rear track width also helps with turning in the dirt as well and is pretty common in the desert racing world.
DaGrootX thanks greatly appreciated
I forgot to ask about the front sway bar, what do you recommend doing about end links and bushings
Dylan Hayter I highly suggest getting rid of the front sway bar. Stiffer spring up front will keep sway down a little. The traditional sway bar will only limit travel and cause some binding.
DaGrootX this won’t be hardcore wheeled just needs something that won’t be going through ball joints every 6-8 months due to Newfoundland’s poor road conditions
I know ARB makes an air locker for the Frontier, but if you do a Titan swap, there’s no arb locker for the front differential. Or am I wrong? Would a front locker be more beneficial on a frontier or would the titan swap be better but still have an open differential?
ARB also makes a locker for the m205 front differential. Front locker would of course be best in a m205 due to the heftier front diff but is still a great option in the R180
Could u also use the titan spindles abs brakes all that on the frontier lets say on a 2wd
isnt the titan diff steel also compared to the aluminum r180?
What strut could I use titan or frontier?
You have to use a Titan swap specific type. NISSTEC offers them.
Hey man I’m a new subscriber and just bought 08 frontier for overland build but I’m struggling to find accessories and part
Any suggestions please
Thank you great video too
Hey, the best place to start is nissteclifts.com. Also, ruggedrocks.com. Both are great companies who support Nissan trucks. Also, for some of the general Overland stuff. Frontrunner.com has some great stuff! Good luck and feel free to reach out if you have more questions.
Good video, thanks for the info!
Were do i get those fender
I love my 2011 Nissan Titan :D
Can i use a spindle lift with my titan swap?
Is there a video being worked on about how can(or even if) a rear susspension and/or axle from a Nissan Titan be swapped with a Frontier/Xterra?
Thanks again for this video. It convinced me to get a different daily driver car and save my Xterra for a Titan swap. I'll check your shop first. Cheers
We can definitely look into it for you!
Its possible because I did it. ABS sensor wires are the same and new perches need to be welded for spring under set up and Deaver springs are something I recommend as well.
Hey what did you do for brakes? did you swap the titan brake booster and stuff?
we have a frontier in UAE with rear titan swapped and its amazing, but the owner recommends rear pathfinder swap with xterra for hassle free fitting.
the gear ratio are the same or thiferent???
Gear ratio on frontier and Xterra pro4x is the same with the Titan m205 4x4 models. 3.36. If you don’t have a pro4x frontier then you can run the stock front differential but you will need extended axles from nissteclifts.com
Do both the first and second gen Titan's suspension fit the Frontier bolt-for-bolt?
Dakota Campbell nope. Only 06 on frontier and Xterra
I just bought an xterra2007 4x4 offroad and want to do titan swap, now, what are the parts i need to buy i kinda have an idea cause of your video and others ive seen but id like to ask what is that i need? So i dont miss any parts, id appreciate your help .
Excelente video btw
Erick Acevedo I highly suggest calling nissteclifts.com. Great guys and they have everything you will need. They can walk you through it all and get you setup.
Does it add any hight to it ?
You can add about 2 inches to anywhere up to 5 inches of height increase on a titan swap. Most are recommending that you stay around at 3.5" though.
Hey quick question can the titan swap work with the stock shocks from a pro4x?
Alex Rodríguez technically speaking you could put a 3” spacer on them and they would “work. But I highly suggest not doing that.
@@Dagrootx ok thanks. so i cant run a titan suspention withought lifting it ? And sinse you have the nistec shocks how do it compare to your pro4x shock?
Alex Rodríguez basically. The Radflo shocks are hands down a far superior shock in every way. Valving is much better and provides much smoother ride as well as internal protections for heavy hits when off road.
Ok thanks for replying
Hi so if I do the titan suspension swap that's basically stronger and better? And also if do the whole kit would Fox 2.0 reservoirs be better than radflo reservoirs? Thank you
Yes, it’s much stronger and you get a lot more travel. And the travel is where it makes it so much better. I suggest the RADFLOS due to them being the best application. They were specifically designed for the Titan swap application. Also, NISSTEC is the best place to get them.
@@Dagrootx awesome thank you I will do that
Any y62/Arrmada stuff yet? Been watching a lot of Aussie stuff.
Anyone know if this works on an 03 frontier/navara d22
Only second gen xterra and frontier
Good vids... Would it work for a pathfinder 2007
Ive got a 11' crew cab pro4x, I really want a titan swap now. I wonder if the Titan XD Cummins diesel would fit too
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Fit.. Yes id say. But the 5.0 is an international engine. By that i mean it was designed in the US. Sourced parts from who knows where and built in brazil or china... The VK56 is made in Alabama..
should I get an auto or manual for swapping titan parts? I haven't bought my truck yet....eying a manual
As far as suspension is concerned auto and manual is all the same.
Computer issues if doing the VK56 as well..
Can I run a m205 diff with 3.36 gears
Andres Reza yes. Most M205 front riffs come with the 3.36 gear ratio
DaGrootX any where I can find one ? Looking to add this to my 6inch lift already ordered just want to change to a m205 with 3.36 gears
Great content amigo!
What about gen 1 frontiers?
Gen one comes with torsion bars where the second gen utilizes coil overs.
Do you know if you can do the titan swap with a 2wd xterra
Erick Perez you absolutely can. It’s even easier. Just arms, tie rods and shocks!!
Look at you all knowledgeable and all. 😉
It’s almost like I know what I’m doing. Hahaha
Did you serve in the military?
I do!
Which division? I knew a guy with a similar name in ft drum, may have been ft ord though, been a long time
@@brdhef1971 I’m Air Force so wouldn’t have been me.
@@Dagrootx you made a better decision than I did lol. Thanks for your service. Airforce, better women and better food
Yes
Can you do the Titan swap on the R51 Pathfinder
Yes, you can!
I get no sound on the video?
I have a 2019 Nissan Frontier pro 4x looking to get rough country lift kit with upgraded fox or bilistien shocks with coil overs. Would you recommend I do that or just titan swap?
Andres Reza highly suggest a Titan swap over the RC. You will get a lot more performance and reliability out of the Titan swap
DaGrootX nice thanks man was trying to figure out if I have a d44 differential or d 40 looking up specs but doesn’t say
Andres Reza what truck do you have.
DaGrootX 2019 Nissan Frontier pro4x v6 automatic
DaGrootX yeah people say I have a d44 but I think it’s a d40
Can we add kings 2.5s in this setup?
Bryant V.W you can run a king 2.5n
When would be the best time to do this? After the dif fails?
Greg Williams I suggest swapping to a Titan swap ASAP. The ride quality and performance is so much better on and off road in my opinion!
DaGrootX yah I’ll eventually do it, just don’t have 2k in spending money to drop on a full swap, and labor. Also I just bought rock sliders that are specific for the oem ride height. Wouldn’t I have to remove them once or modify them once I do a titan swap?
Greg Williams. The Titan swap would not change anything with the sliders. Your probably thinking of a body lift. That’s something different entirely.
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Good call, Thanks!
I also have a 2wd 06 frontier this helped a lot . What's you email just in case I have anymore questions?
Matthew Ortiz xterraperformance@gmail.com
Does the Titan sway bar work with the swap or do we need a custom sway bar?
No. sway bars will go away due to where they have to bolt up to the subframe. You can't even run a Fronty with the sway bar and simple 2" spacers in the front for lift without some sort of modification. That said, if you're raising your truck or going the route of a Titan swap, a sway bar is one of the last things you want on your truck. It'll absolutely kill your ride and completely crush your wheel articulation which is already limited due to it being an IFS.
Don't forget us r51 Pathfinder peeps.
Tech tips!
awesome
Thanks for the info, too bad we don't have Nissan Patrols here in the USA, otherwise I'd do a Patrol swap in a heartbeat. Or better yet, I'll get a diesel Patrol ! thanks Dems for all the bs emmissions farse. By the way CO2 helps plants..✌️
First of all, Cummins makes a 2.8L diesel that will drop right into a Frontier. Watch TFLnow video where they test drive a Frontier with a Nissan rep. Second, you sound like a triggered little CONservative crying those big snowflake tears over what whole government is doing to clean up our vehicle emissions, not just Democrats. Finally, not all plants like CO2. Are you a scientist?
And r51 Pathfinder.
pra3t0rian the pathfinder was a crazy hybrid style. It has a m205 but short axles so it’s Xterra/Frontier width.
DaGrootX that being said the “titan swap” is actually doable on a pathfinder ?
DaGrootX only the V8 pathfinder came with a 205 and hybrid cv’s. The V6 pathfinders front end is exactly the same as the xterra and frontier. So yes a titan swap is doable.
This is like a Hack!
Hey so i have a 08 frontier 2wd and was wandering if i could put extended travel nissan titan shocks/strutts? I currently running a level spacer 2inch and billsteins 5100 on all 4s..
Thanks
The problem you will run into is the top hat and valving. I suggest running a Titan length shock that is built for a Titan swap. They have the correct valving and the correct top hat.
Does this Titan swap work on the first gen? I have an 03 I’d love to do this to.
Unfortunately the first gens are a completely different chassis and it doesn’t work.
Damn, thanks for the info
Can I use mK84 shocks with a titan swap?
Only with a 3”spacer. I wouldn’t suggest it unless it’s only temporary.