I like the idea of HaikuOS and the original BeOS. Its biggest selling point is actually pretty damn true, it wasnt something just for marketing. Windows, even Linux have roots on kernels and operating systems developed decades ago, and not originally designed for modern computing. In the case of Window, they completely abandoned DOS and moved to NT, which now has the same issues as they so stubbornly hold onto legacy software that you still have GUI elements and software from the early days of Windows NT even in Windows 11. BeOS main idea was to develop it entirely for the modern computing scene, while it was happening, completely from the ground up. Not basing it off of any existing operating systems etc, its aim was to do away with things that had become standard simply because people were used to them. Even now Windows and many Linux distros have desktop environments heavily inspired by Windows 95. The problem with BeOS is that we have gone beyond the point of no return. People were so used with Windows and its software, and the years Windows had to build up software support that only a few OS’s like Linux were able to build up similar levels of software. Microsoft also did a bunch of anti competitive stuff like taking I think Hitachi to court for allowing their computers to dual boot BeOS. Microsoft was able to get away with having a contract that didnt even allow companies that use their software to have another preinstalled OS on it, even if they were still paying to use those Windows licenses. The only opportunity we really have for alternative operating systems to start having a chance again is if Windows ever moves on from NT. it will likely happen at some point, but that could even be decades from now or something. Otherwise I really do think Linux might be the only option without improvements to things like compatibility layers and emulation.
I have played with the original BeOS. Bought it back in the 90's when they made it available for Intel, and still have the install media. It was so fast it was downright creepy. Haiku OS is not the same kernel, which is unfortunate and sad, because iirc what they (Haiku) had to do is move to existing open source or start from scratch. The original BeOS kernel and software was so fast you could almost classify it as real time with latency comparable to QNX at the time. Also, it had this concept of BMessages, which allowed programs to talk to each other at a very low level. I don't know if Haiku does that or not. My experience with Haiku has shown it to be significantly less performant than the original BeOS but far more responsive than anything you see today.
Still have all ever published books about BeOS in my self (well figuratively, they are in fact in a box in the basement for space reasons). Loved it but it writing to it was unportable because threading and GUI abstraction was far ahead.
Haiku OS is not the same kernel but the one it uses was written by one of the same developers that made the actual BeOS kernel so it was seen as a close enough stand in.
@@knorze1777 yes, but how is Haiku's x86-64 support these days? How about using proprietary chipsets? It's harder than it looks, this is also why there is no such thing as a massive alt SmartPhone OS segment on the scale of Linux on mainstream x86-64.
@@KentsTechWorld I am talking from experience from the other day. The video was great, the OS itself, was underwhelming. As for Linux, i never had such issue, since i use Linux from 2007 onward. At least not in my distros of choice.
@@BiserAngelov1 you not wached the vidoe as I stated many times that if you want to see how it was to use linux in the early days' 1992 to abourn 2004 this is it. And I also speak of experience, I am a 26+ years Linux ventran, started to use linux as my main desktop in 2000. And back then most sound card's did not work at all!! So again you did not watch the video or you did not listen and just made assumptions
@@KentsTechWorld It was your video that made me try Haiku in a first place. What's with the attitude? If you were so concerned, you should have ask me what is my sound hardware, or encourage me to send a ticket myself. But you decided to take it personally. Very immature!
@@BiserAngelov1 i did not say anything about your person other than I also have experience and more of it, and the way you talk about the video means you have not watched it or listen to it. That's concultions and not personal! And your first comment was more or less that the whole idea of the video is wrong as you did not have those issues, and I explained that I was talking about linux before you used it, and you would see that if you watched to listen to the video ;) I don't need to ask you about your sound card as it as no meaning in this subject at all. the subject is that if yo uwant to see how difficult and how much lack of support linux had in the early days, haiku os would be a great way of getting that experience. So your sound card not working is exactly what I was going for, those where the pains we had back then with linux also!! So you proved my whole point with the video
Same could be said for OS/2... "IF Only"!!! It was a great multitasker back then and it could have done so much more. Yes I know that there are 2 projects based off of it today. If only IBM had not dropped the ball... Lol LLAP 🖖 Yes! You that was coming didn't you? 🤣
The ideas that came out in the late 90s were pretty advanced, but somehow never made it to mainstream. I feel that macOS 9 was pretty much more advanced in certain features over the current macOS. Have a look at Bryan Lunduke's video called "mac sucks" and you know why. BeOS was supposed to replace macOS 9 and I think it would have been amazing if it did. I am a fan of UNIX, but I feel this has so much more.
Execute Linux command "echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/online" to disable CPU core. Execute Linux Command "echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/online" to enable CPU core Not too difficult to do. Does not require a reboot
@@KentsTechWorld If you have more than one CPU, that can also be disabled in linux. If you only have one cpu, I don't care what OS you are using you can not disable it.
@@Bruce.ItsYourPC Every desktop have one CPU and many cores, so i am asking is it the core or the CPU it self you are turning off, with (BeOS/Haiku you can turn cores off and CPU's).
I tried installing Haiku on a machine with an Intel Core i5 CPU, 64 GB DDR4 RAM, an ASUS B560M MB, and a RX5500XT GPU. The logo with the feather appeared, but the installer recognized none of the hardware. I have an old ASUS MB from way back when with a dual-core Intel CPU, 8 GB DDR2 RAM, and an older NVidea GPU -- Haiku liked that set-up just fine. But I only use it as a TrueNAS server.
idk why i entertained this video for this long, but i'm 11 minutes in and haven't heard anything about this being the most advanced OS other than turning off cores (which almost no one would ever do anyway) and having pseudo-containerised packages. This is nothing more than a hit on linux imo
@@KentsTechWorld I had the same feeling, there was a lot of history being discussed but not many actual advantages being discussed. Mainly linux like commands, cpu core management, a package system that was ahead of what was available 20 years ago but we have in linux now similar ones, a file system that was built for desktops. I didn't hear you mentioning anything else. This video is 20y too late 😊 I did enjoy it just not what I expected
@Costas Costas as I said in the video. There are so mush to go in to that it would take hours to talk about it all. And to understand the why you need the history. And what I showed was the party tricks, where some of them only the last few years linux and windows got caught up with. And again I asked you all what you would like to see more of, like a kernel dep drive or something like that. What I hear is linux people being defensive and seeing it for something it's not. so instead of seeing it as a video against linux, see it as a video about a interesting system, with interesting technologies, that linux and windows have playing catch up with. I picked 3ish advantage to keep the video short(was over 30 min long) and to peak the intrest. I find it funny that only linux people have a problem with it, make me feel like I hit a neve or something.
@@KentsTechWorld I am not sure you hit a nerve, it's just that linux people are more likely to watch videos like this. I am not too tech savvy so I cannot think of anything specific to ask about Haiku. From a user perspective all I care is that my devices work and I have a word processor, Firefox, and a few other programs :)
@@costascostas1760 there's always windows if that's all you want. Plus, its the industry standard, and there's tons of software for it. Cant go wrong with windows. ;)
7:18 You can turn off cores on linux, i do not get why that is so special, even so it honestly does not seem useful `echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/online`
well it was special as BeOS did it first :P and it's useful for testing, like how would a program run one different system, haiku/beos also have a feature where you can run with different resolutions on your workspace, again to test pictures, videos and so on that use different hardware.
Pffff ahahahahahahah ... Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH Not only by doing that you are likely to soft-brick your PC, but the point is: You can TURN OFF a core in Haiku. You can't do that in any other common OS, without drilling out the wafer where that core sits in
@@thelambdafunction you won't soft-brick your pc, some software are not multi-threaded and do not support multi-core cpu's which require you to select a single process.
maybe they should upgrade their shitty UI and then they may get some more users who would want to use it and support it. This is what i keep telling developers for ReactOS, Even if you don't 100% have it ready if your UI and face looks good, people will want to support it more and think that its actually going somewhere, but they say its not important.
That's soooooooooo not the case, by that logic window is the most beautiful os ever :D It's all about IF the OS give the user what they want and need and in a good and understandable package lol. Looks is like 10th or so on the list lol. You need to look in to UI/UX design and no it don't mean make it look good :P
@@KentsTechWorld seeing how most Linux distros copy windows, i beg to differ. Windows just does everything right to the point that is the generic UI design that everyone should copy. there are some human interface that work better on mac, but its not that important or could be added.
Absolutely no support for vulkan ,open gl , direct 3d so saying the more advanced OS is a joke right ? so 80% of pc users going to say no when it cant even run a simple game thats 25 years old .
what software and or 3rd party things a OS support, has no saying in how it works or how the internals :D If that's the case, windows is the most advanced OS ever as it supports the most software??? The kernel design, the user land design, the file system design is or was decades ahead of any other OS we use today. Snaps and flatpack's are a tech BeOS used and ad before Linux, windows and even macOS. BTRFS is a more mordant version of the be filesystem. And Be did all of those in the late 90's :D I think you need to look op what a OS is and do, and function.
I get out every day :P but sure, i can see how someone that have no clue about it would say that, maybe you need to get out more, or look in to the subject before making your self look a bit like a fool :)
I like the idea of HaikuOS and the original BeOS. Its biggest selling point is actually pretty damn true, it wasnt something just for marketing. Windows, even Linux have roots on kernels and operating systems developed decades ago, and not originally designed for modern computing. In the case of Window, they completely abandoned DOS and moved to NT, which now has the same issues as they so stubbornly hold onto legacy software that you still have GUI elements and software from the early days of Windows NT even in Windows 11.
BeOS main idea was to develop it entirely for the modern computing scene, while it was happening, completely from the ground up. Not basing it off of any existing operating systems etc, its aim was to do away with things that had become standard simply because people were used to them. Even now Windows and many Linux distros have desktop environments heavily inspired by Windows 95.
The problem with BeOS is that we have gone beyond the point of no return. People were so used with Windows and its software, and the years Windows had to build up software support that only a few OS’s like Linux were able to build up similar levels of software. Microsoft also did a bunch of anti competitive stuff like taking I think Hitachi to court for allowing their computers to dual boot BeOS. Microsoft was able to get away with having a contract that didnt even allow companies that use their software to have another preinstalled OS on it, even if they were still paying to use those Windows licenses.
The only opportunity we really have for alternative operating systems to start having a chance again is if Windows ever moves on from NT. it will likely happen at some point, but that could even be decades from now or something. Otherwise I really do think Linux might be the only option without improvements to things like compatibility layers and emulation.
why would opportunity arrive when "Windows ever moves on from NT"?
I have played with the original BeOS. Bought it back in the 90's when they made it available for Intel, and still have the install media. It was so fast it was downright creepy. Haiku OS is not the same kernel, which is unfortunate and sad, because iirc what they (Haiku) had to do is move to existing open source or start from scratch. The original BeOS kernel and software was so fast you could almost classify it as real time with latency comparable to QNX at the time. Also, it had this concept of BMessages, which allowed programs to talk to each other at a very low level. I don't know if Haiku does that or not. My experience with Haiku has shown it to be significantly less performant than the original BeOS but far more responsive than anything you see today.
Yes HAIKU is using BMessages
www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/classBMessage.html
Still have all ever published books about BeOS in my self (well figuratively, they are in fact in a box in the basement for space reasons). Loved it but it writing to it was unportable because threading and GUI abstraction was far ahead.
Haiku OS is not the same kernel but the one it uses was written by one of the same developers that made the actual BeOS kernel so it was seen as a close enough stand in.
I love HaikuOS and am hoping some day soon it will be ready for prime time. Thank you for covering this hidden treasure.
haiku would have been great if it had more backing
Please. Keep talking about BeOS. It was amazing and still is.
I have Haiku as a virtual machine but I MUST give it a long-term try. Looks so cool ❤
Yeah, if only single-board computers like the Raspberry Pi got proper support, Haiku would really be having a nice niche.
MiniPCs with Intel CPUs, especially used ones, are now price competitive with Raspberry Pi, if you calculate in a case, power supply, storage, etc.
@@knorze1777 yes, but how is Haiku's x86-64 support these days? How about using proprietary chipsets? It's harder than it looks, this is also why there is no such thing as a massive alt SmartPhone OS segment on the scale of Linux on mainstream x86-64.
I use Haiku on an old HP thin client. Small 4gb hard drive. Mainly just use it for tinkering and enjoy the nostalgia.
Loved the OS back in the day. The go to for creative work.
What kind of creative work would you do on this system?
You think? It couldn't recognize my sound card.
thats how linux used to be. but watch the video and you would know what i am talking about
@@KentsTechWorld I am talking from experience from the other day. The video was great, the OS itself, was underwhelming. As for Linux, i never had such issue, since i use Linux from 2007 onward. At least not in my distros of choice.
@@BiserAngelov1 you not wached the vidoe as I stated many times that if you want to see how it was to use linux in the early days' 1992 to abourn 2004 this is it.
And I also speak of experience, I am a 26+ years Linux ventran, started to use linux as my main desktop in 2000.
And back then most sound card's did not work at all!!
So again you did not watch the video or you did not listen and just made assumptions
@@KentsTechWorld It was your video that made me try Haiku in a first place. What's with the attitude? If you were so concerned, you should have ask me what is my sound hardware, or encourage me to send a ticket myself. But you decided to take it personally. Very immature!
@@BiserAngelov1 i did not say anything about your person other than I also have experience and more of it, and the way you talk about the video means you have not watched it or listen to it.
That's concultions and not personal!
And your first comment was more or less that the whole idea of the video is wrong as you did not have those issues, and I explained that I was talking about linux before you used it, and you would see that if you watched to listen to the video ;)
I don't need to ask you about your sound card as it as no meaning in this subject at all.
the subject is that if yo uwant to see how difficult and how much lack of support linux had in the early days, haiku os would be a great way of getting that experience. So your sound card not working is exactly what I was going for, those where the pains we had back then with linux also!!
So you proved my whole point with the video
I would be interested in seeing about this system
Personally I kinda like the UI, makes it unique. Since now everything is flattened to the ground in terms of design....
as soon as i saw the icons on the desktop... i knew...
Same could be said for OS/2... "IF Only"!!!
It was a great multitasker back then and it could have done so much more. Yes I know that there are 2 projects based off of it today. If only IBM had not dropped the ball... Lol
LLAP 🖖
Yes! You that was coming didn't you? 🤣
The ideas that came out in the late 90s were pretty advanced, but somehow never made it to mainstream. I feel that macOS 9 was pretty much more advanced in certain features over the current macOS. Have a look at Bryan Lunduke's video called "mac sucks" and you know why. BeOS was supposed to replace macOS 9 and I think it would have been amazing if it did. I am a fan of UNIX, but I feel this has so much more.
Execute Linux command "echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/online" to disable CPU core. Execute Linux Command "echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/online" to enable CPU core
Not too difficult to do. Does not require a reboot
still more easy to just push a button ;) also is that CPU's or also cores and so on
@@KentsTechWorld If you have more than one CPU, that can also be disabled in linux. If you only have one cpu, I don't care what OS you are using you can not disable it.
@@Bruce.ItsYourPC Every desktop have one CPU and many cores, so i am asking is it the core or the CPU it self you are turning off, with (BeOS/Haiku you can turn cores off and CPU's).
@@KentsTechWorld I have had xeon systems with dual cpu's. In a case like that you can turn off a whole cpu. Or turn off cores of the cpu
What happens, if you disable ALL CPU cores? )))
What is hAiku? That is what you say when you see you friend Ku!
"nerd boner" ? I love your mastery of the English language :-)
Must give this a look.
I tried installing Haiku on a machine with an Intel Core i5 CPU, 64 GB DDR4 RAM, an ASUS B560M MB, and a RX5500XT GPU.
The logo with the feather appeared, but the installer recognized none of the hardware. I have an old ASUS MB from way back when with a dual-core Intel CPU, 8 GB DDR2 RAM, and an older NVidea GPU -- Haiku liked that set-up just fine. But I only use it as a TrueNAS server.
idk why i entertained this video for this long, but i'm 11 minutes in and haven't heard anything about this being the most advanced OS other than turning off cores (which almost no one would ever do anyway) and having pseudo-containerised packages. This is nothing more than a hit on linux imo
maybe watch before you talk. And it is also a hit on Windows, but i get it, your Linux feels are hurt lol. get over yourself and watch the video ;)
@@KentsTechWorld I had the same feeling, there was a lot of history being discussed but not many actual advantages being discussed. Mainly linux like commands, cpu core management, a package system that was ahead of what was available 20 years ago but we have in linux now similar ones, a file system that was built for desktops. I didn't hear you mentioning anything else. This video is 20y too late 😊 I did enjoy it just not what I expected
@Costas Costas as I said in the video. There are so mush to go in to that it would take hours to talk about it all. And to understand the why you need the history. And what I showed was the party tricks, where some of them only the last few years linux and windows got caught up with. And again I asked you all what you would like to see more of, like a kernel dep drive or something like that. What I hear is linux people being defensive and seeing it for something it's not. so instead of seeing it as a video against linux, see it as a video about a interesting system, with interesting technologies, that linux and windows have playing catch up with.
I picked 3ish advantage to keep the video short(was over 30 min long) and to peak the intrest. I find it funny that only linux people have a problem with it, make me feel like I hit a neve or something.
@@KentsTechWorld I am not sure you hit a nerve, it's just that linux people are more likely to watch videos like this. I am not too tech savvy so I cannot think of anything specific to ask about Haiku. From a user perspective all I care is that my devices work and I have a word processor, Firefox, and a few other programs :)
@@costascostas1760 there's always windows if that's all you want. Plus, its the industry standard, and there's tons of software for it. Cant go wrong with windows. ;)
Can i run office libre on haiku OS?
7:18 You can turn off cores on linux, i do not get why that is so special, even so it honestly does not seem useful
`echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/online`
well it was special as BeOS did it first :P and it's useful for testing, like how would a program run one different system, haiku/beos also have a feature where you can run with different resolutions on your workspace, again to test pictures, videos and so on that use different hardware.
@@KentsTechWorld while as a nerd i find all of them interesting but all i need is another nieche os that is gonns cause me issues 😄
7:18 On Windows you can change CPU affinity per process in the Task Manager on the Details tab.
Pffff ahahahahahahah ...
Oh wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH
Not only by doing that you are likely to soft-brick your PC, but the point is:
You can TURN OFF a core in Haiku. You can't do that in any other common OS, without drilling out the wafer
where that core sits in
@@thelambdafunction you won't soft-brick your pc, some software are not multi-threaded and do not support multi-core cpu's which require you to select a single process.
@@HamguyBacon Yes, and that choice is not exactly up to the user.
Plus you are still ignoring the elephant in the room...
Linux = Unix Like OS
HaikuOS = BeOS Like OS
i like Haiku ,but the one thing that cheeses me off ,if you annot have an email software ,that i know of
no, tit's not. where is the nvidia drivers?
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maybe they should upgrade their shitty UI and then they may get some more users who would want to use it and support it.
This is what i keep telling developers for ReactOS, Even if you don't 100% have it ready if your UI and face looks good, people will want to support it more and think that its actually going somewhere, but they say its not important.
That's soooooooooo not the case, by that logic window is the most beautiful os ever :D
It's all about IF the OS give the user what they want and need and in a good and understandable package lol.
Looks is like 10th or so on the list lol.
You need to look in to UI/UX design and no it don't mean make it look good :P
@@KentsTechWorld seeing how most Linux distros copy windows, i beg to differ.
Windows just does everything right to the point that is the generic UI design that everyone should copy.
there are some human interface that work better on mac, but its not that important or could be added.
Absolutely no support for vulkan ,open gl , direct 3d so saying the more advanced OS is a joke right ? so 80% of pc users going to say no when it cant even run a simple game thats 25 years old .
what software and or 3rd party things a OS support, has no saying in how it works or how the internals :D If that's the case, windows is the most advanced OS ever as it supports the most software???
The kernel design, the user land design, the file system design is or was decades ahead of any other OS we use today.
Snaps and flatpack's are a tech BeOS used and ad before Linux, windows and even macOS.
BTRFS is a more mordant version of the be filesystem.
And Be did all of those in the late 90's :D
I think you need to look op what a OS is and do, and function.
@@KentsTechWorld I now see your point and stand corrected .
I like linux better
You need to get out more. There's nothing interesting about haiku. It's just a gimmick
I get out every day :P but sure, i can see how someone that have no clue about it would say that, maybe you need to get out more, or look in to the subject before making your self look a bit like a fool :)
Another deluded one who thinks - apparently - that an OS is just a GUI.
Another deluded person commenting without watching the video 🤣 I even say the ui is outdated 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@KentsTechWorldit may be a language barrier, but you maybe should consider not taking everything so personally.