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- Bored of Windows, Mac OS or Linux? There is more to try than just the standard 'big three' OSes. I take a look at 12 amazingly alternative Operating Systems you can use.
My retro gaming podcast: theretrohour.com
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Operating Systems mentioned:
Haiku OS: www.haiku-os.org/
ReactOS: reactos.org/
Friend: friendos.com/ - For a FREE demo account email info@friendos.com or visit their discord at: / discord
ARAnyM: aranym.github.io/
Risc OS Open: www.riscosopen.org/content/
MorphOS: www.morphos-team.net/
ArcaOS: www.arcanoae.com/arcaos/
AROS: aros.sourceforge.net/
Oracle Solaris 11: www.oracle.com/uk/solaris/sol...
Minix: www.minix3.org/
AmigaOS 4.1: www.amigaos.net/
TempleOS: templeos.org/
Sources used in this video:
The Computer Chronicles - New PCs (1996): • The Computer Chronicle...
The Computer Chronicles - OS/2 Warp (1994): • The Computer Chronicle...
ArcaOS (the new OS/2) Review" - Lunduke Hour (used with permission): • "ArcaOS (the new OS/2)...
Terry A. Davis' TempleOS TH-cam Channel Archive: archive.org/details/TerryADav...
TempleOS | Down the Rabbit Hole: • TempleOS | Down the Ra...
BeOS Demo Video: • BeOS DEMO VIDEO
Acorn Archimedes - A Technical Introduction: • Acorn Archimedes - A T...
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When using Haiku
Expect frequent encounters
With faults and poems
Haiku, the OS
Some think Apple should have bought
Instead of NeXTStep...
Hear it, you may not.
But smell it you will!
Silence is deadly.
Errors have happened
we do not know how or why
lazy programmers
Lmao you got me 😂😂😂
Fancy bumping in
To you here, Custardo. Fan
See bumping indeed.
did not expect temple OS on here. Props
Listen to a nice piece about TempleOS on BBC Radio 4 last year, nice to see what it looked like :)
PotateJello It should go open source. We should all be programming kexts in Holy C.
@@askhowiknow5527 its public domain
I clicked on this just to see if Temple OS was on the list.
It's nice to see it again, well deserving of a full feature vid.
Still kinda stings hey.
What that dude made is beyond known maths.
Others worth mentioning:
- FreeBSD (quite surprised it wasn't mentioned, as it's very well known in the industry)
- MenuetOS (programmed in assembly language, super efficient, although not enough software)
- Redox (young OS, programmed in Rust, remarkable for the progress in its latest release, already capable of playing Doom and Duke 3D, along with DOSBox for plenty of DOS games)
Fresh bonus item on the list: Serenity OS. The founder started a youtube channel, streaming the operating system's development, even working live on bugs, adding features, and even porting some games to the OS. Now they're also working on their own browser, which is something seen like an impossible task with so many standards nowadays.
Serenity OS is truly a geek-only item for now, because you have to compile the whole thing yourself, and run it in a virtual machine. But this is definitely worth a top spot on your bookmark list, because they're moving fast and even have employees. And what's great about their youtube activity is that they have monthly progress videos, where stuff is summarized nicely. Binging the monthly reports was awesome - it takes some time, but you can pretty much see how the OS shaped up into something better and better...
Odd FreeBSD was not in this list considering its actually used in enterprise
KolibriOS is a fork of Menuet that includes more software including a web browser and basic office software.
Rust doesn't sell it
I remember running OS/2 Warp back in the day. It really was a "Better Windows than Windows, Better DOS than DOS". It was absolutely hard to kill, and much more stable then either of them.
AND, it was a true 32-bit OS...
I used to use it too. Working on using the newer versions of it.
Yeah, but too bad, it was not useful for anything..
I remember rushing to buy OS/2 Warp when it was released - unfortunately, it ran like a sloth that took benzodiazepines on my machine (around half the speed of the current Windows at the time). It lasted 2 days before I uninstalled it.
It was easy to make OS/2 faster:
1. more RAM.
2. loose the Workplace Shell. It was an OO-based shell, the likes I have never seen again, but it was HEAVY. MiniShell gave far better performance, while being able to run all Windows 3 and OS/2 applications. With TShell, ypu could run it with 2 MB RAM, as a server in text-mode.
I demoed Minishell on a 386sx and 10 MB RAM and performance was zippy!
I wish ReactOS was moving more quickly in development. It'd be nice to have a meaningful, fully working alternative to Microsoft's Windows.
For an OS, it moves really slow. It's an open source Windows 2000/XP.
@@AstroKitty16 I've played with it. And it just randomly crashes for no reason ...
@@kienhwengtai8113 Like the real Windows...
working alt to Win ~ linux ...
@@davidm.4670 Linux isn't an alternative to Windows, however badly we may wish it was.
This video is a goldmine for geeks loving to explore some very obscure OS's! Thanks for the suggestions, will definitely try some of them! I've only tried ReactOS and Minix so far, the rest is almost completely unknown to me...
10:43 Many don't realise, that they have MINIX embedded inside of their Intel processor, up and running even when the computer is "powered off".
BSD family systems, like FreeBSD are missing, despite having much larger user groups than many mentioned here.
MINIX in Intel - running when powered off ??? How run when powered off? or "pwr off" vs Pwr Off (really)?
That's right. When the computer is connected to a power socket, some components are already powered up, even when the computer is not fully "started-up". This allows to "wake up on LAN" or, in this case, perform some computer maintenance tasks remotely even when the user turned the computer down.
www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-operating-system/
@@krzychaczu Ah - yes, - tend to not think about that but makes much sense -- However I run my systems off switchable power strip & after 'shutdown' finishes I usually flip the switch on the power bar = really off ;-)
@@davidm.4670 Your motherboard probably has a battery on it
@@rebane2001 Quite sure it does, maintains clock/(calendar) volitle bios config etc. but I don't think that is 'running'.
Difference between commanded off (shutdown) and switched off as in no access to line power...
TempleOS is the best option
Great video!
That wallpaper on the Amiga OS 4 was a nice touch. SAAB 900 is a classic!
So was the shot of the Pi atop an Amiga
Legend has it Haiku's REAL source code is only 3 lines of code.
@Nicolás Agustín and the third line number command is 'goto line 1' ... 😁
Great video, and nice to see a mention of OpenSolaris. The kernel and core userland of Solaris was forked as illumos, but the OpenSolaris distribution was forked as OpenIndiana. There are quite a few distros based on the illumos core, including some quite advanced ones such as SmartOS, designed for cloud computing.
SmartOS is a great one. Very niche, though.
Man oh man I remember BeOS back in the day! As I recall, it allowed the user to load the OS entirely into RAM from a CD or DVD so you didn't need to fully install it to try it out - so that's what I I did. It was fun for about 30 minutes, exploring how it does this or displays that - and then I had the sobering thought "what now? I can't load any software onto this whatsoever". And so, I rebooted into Windows and moved on. Kind of sad nothing became of it.
Glad to see RISC OS getting some love. A tiny OS with big potential.
It rose again in popularity because of the Raspberry Pi.
@@markarca6360 I agree. I think it becoming Open Source also helped a too. But yeah, Raspberry Pi opened the door.
Debian is better than arch. And debian is only if you can compile your own programs from scratch
@@lordzeuscannon6400 both are equally good, despite being day and night.
RISC os on x86???
I was worried this would just be a bunch of linux distros, but there were so many cool and niche os listed here! Awesome video!
I really enjoyed this video Dan. Like several flashbacks in one short sitting. Excellent. I look forward to viewing your other stuff. Kudos!
wow I don't think I have discovered this much OS info I had no idea existed thanks for the awesome video
I was a hardcore BeOS user. I loved the speed and the security. When Be died, a piece of me did, too
Be could have been the next MacOS, but politics.
@@billysherman2702 no politics, Apple just decided they wanted something UNIX-like instead of BeOS.
You forgot to mention that minix runs on pretty much every Intel PC these days inside the Management Engine that is built into every Intel CPU. This probably makes it the most widely-used OS you showed here.
wait seriously?! I need to know more about its history!
May Allah (S.W.T.) guide you and bestow upon you His Blessings; Ameen.
@@NazmusLabs Jup. Just google "minix intel me" and you'll find loads of articles about it. The wikipedia article about the Intel ME also mentions this fact. I can't post direct links, they'll get my comment hidden.
Great collection video. Thanks for making & sharing. I had no idea Minix is still alive!
So... This explains why the "big three" are the "big three" operating systems
How so?
Because they are shit compared to the big 3
@@zymagoras ...but Haiku has potential . It needs a leap of " iteration" . I'm afraid the developers will die off before Haiku reaches 1.0.
I installed a couple of these distros and although they worked on... there was a limited amount on software available (for my needs anyway) and there were no audio drivers written for my sound card which gave me a real problem given J was going to try and use it for music production.
Linux - Debian - Ubuntu - ZorinOS!
@Dan Wood
I was really interested in the FriendOS concent and just installed from source (very unstable) and then deployed the Docker container (very stable). I've been trying to reach devs for a few questions / features that aren't working but haven't had much luck. Since you said you're directly involved I thought I might shake the trees here.
FreeBSD, an Unix compatible system, is missing here.
Worth mentioning also: Remix OS
Otherwise cool list. There was some interesting systems I wasn't aware of. And a big plus for including TempleOS. ;-)
Stumbled on this channel. Thank you. Top quality video. Subscribed.
Thank you so much for the video. Definitely going to try a few of these. 👍👍
I'm just stoked you went the whole time without mentioning Plan 9 :D
I used to use BeOS it was great and way ahead of its time, if you put an audio cd in the OS would transparently show the tracks as Mp3 to play or copy/encode on the fly!
i did eagerly follow haiku but lost interested when someone on the team said it wouldn't ever be more than a hobby os.
M Tea - most things on here will only be hobby OSes. Even the ones that try to provide say legacy support to OS/2 apps, will limit your future employability if you spend too much time wth them.
Audio CD songs aren't encoded as MP3s...
Very awesome explanation of OSes and how they have continued ...
Amigaaaaaaaa!
Still love to play around with it on my Amiga 600 with Vampire card, my aim is to keep it up to date as possible, so much fun using a machine from decades ago and be able to use my dropbox,google drive and even watched youtube video's on it, listen to internet radio,play video's etc.
And with with the vampire card you can do all of this on decent resolutions and everything runs very smooth.
What i like about AmigaOS is how easy you can automate and customize almost everything,
OS/2 was an amazing truly multitasking system. It was used in several platforms that required rock solid performance and steady multi-tasking. For instance the voice mail system we had for a 75 employee company ran on OS/2 with dialogic cards connected through a back end to our NEC mark 14 multi-trunk phone system which supported t-1 connectivity to our remote office with 15 more sales staff with heavy phone usage. We also ran an award winning system called Fax-O-Max which allowed people to dial in and enter a 4 digit code which ran in their print directory ads. The system would the fax, to a number they entered, a menu or whatever they had stored. An industry first and something I designed on a whim in the mid 90s to take advantage of the power of the system.
There are two updated version of OS/2 Warp. One is eComStaion, which seems stalled in development. The other is ArcaOS by Arca Nose. It is still being developed
On a dare I made OS/2 Warp 3&4 VM's. I still start them up every so often just to play.
Lotus Notes for email? Every conversion to MSmail from LN was a complete coin toss. One would take 5 minutes and work perfect and the next would take days and have to be picked through to find that one attachment or email causing everything to fail.
I noticed the couple of Amiga-style operating systems have dropped a feature that I thought helped set it apart from the others. Back in the day, you could have arbitrarily sized desktop icons, and they didn't even have to be square or rectangular. Since the desktop understood image transparency, you could get really inventive with the look of your desktop. For example, a cloud icon would look like a cloud - not like a cloud-on-a-postage-stamp.
or when you loaded a CD the icon usually covered 75% of available desktop space
Even Amiga didn't really do that. Yeah it was possible and a lot of software did it but the OS was pretty standardised, and most people followed the standards (several times over!).
who cares
@@bobsagget823 People who enjoy fun, unexpected features in operating systems. For me, this was a feature of AmigaOS that helped set it apart from all others as a more enjoyable environment to work in,
Archimedes now that brings back happy memories. My dad ordered the PC's from England. We had been using them as far back as the BBC's. Needless to say we were not happy when they stopped making PC's. Going to Windows after using that, was like someone taking your sports car away and giving you a skateboard to work with :-( Especially when most people here if they had a computer were either using DOS or 3.1 or maybe 95. Back in 87 we already had 'windows' on a Archimedes while everyone else was using DOS. So never really took to Microsoft. Some of the Features we had on the Archimedes were only eventually covered by Windows in Windows 8!. But I must admit for what it could do, XP was the one that was usable didn't really take to 7 and oh man don't get me started on the mess that is 10. I'm now using Linux Mint and am very happy.
I switched to Linux Mint after frustrations with Windows 10. After some hesitation I fully ditched Win 10 and now love Mint. With Wine I can run some Windows software I didn't want to leave behind. All my software is now free, and with Libre Office its goodbye to MS office as well.
I won't be going back.
I know very little about computers but was recently compelled to move from XP to Win 10. An unmitigated disaster with all those changes to accommodate the smartphone users. The end of computing as we knew it. I hate Windows 10.
I'm on Win-7, but because of the end of maintenance, with its attendant risk of virus infection, I'm facing a move to W-10 with some distaste, and I've been pondering a move to Linux instead. It's a problem, though, as a lot of Linux-compatible software is quite clunky by comparison.
I was put on my guard by the insistence of Microsoft that I should load W-10, even sending it to me, unsolicited. Since then, I've read that running W-10 is like handing Microsoft a snooper's charter.
I boot up linux mint every couple months to see how far development has come. Still not a usable OS for gaming. And that's not likely going to change in the future
Haiku is one of the best OSs I've tried in order to give new life to an old notebook. Its problem was that it didn't have my wifi card drivers and, you know, it is still on beta stage so it may be a little bit unstable. The good thing is that the project is aiming forward and that there is plenty of software available for most office needs (libre office, audio and video editors, blender for 3D design, etc) so it may have a good future.
There are Linux distros that will run fine on the oldest of slow computers.
@@johnarnold893 and?
An OS without apps is like a city without people...
Exactly! That is why I opt for beautiful Linux. I will try Harmony when it is available.
You should see the suite they have on the friend one! There are office apps, games software dev apps, alot more like!
@@PyroSyndicate how well developed is the thematic about disability and accessibility? Also, the multiple hardware ecosystem there exists does have any issue when is tried to plug it to the machine that runs those OSes with beautiful GUIs?
With Windows 10, the Insider Preview 19541, right now, is I can run my screen sensitive laptop connected to 2 75inches Samsung TVs with touch enabled accessory bars and one LG projector at 120inch size with a Wacom wireless tactile graphic tablet; because I need to amplify the screen the bigger the best. I don't know if with all these OSes I can have such flexibility.
@@taimurSM what can? Can you do a dictation in any available language? also can you sent complex commands? The Linux distro can tell you what are you pointing at or read the screen items for you? The system can zoom your screen at 1200% or up? I would like to test any OS that could that without sacrifice a lot of resources like Windows 10 is doing with my computer. Also, the OS must have wide availability of software for production. I've doing my own research and Linux apps are not very suitable for implement a robust help in such fields of working environments like I need daily. That is the why I've not do the switch. At this time, Linux is near the stage that Windows Mobile OS were left: a system with great possibilities not so explored due the lack of serious investments /desire for create good and strong apps.
I use Amiga OS 3.9, i'm still working on the same AMOS project since 1998.
Finally, all what I needed. Thank you very much!
Ooowweee ! Flashback time!
Gee thx a million !!!!
I've been thinking of trying a Solaris VM for a while just to try it out. I tried OpenStep and it was a pretty cool experience. Just takes a bit to get color on the screen.
I stay with my alltime favourite: ms dos 6.22 ! The essential files fit on one 1.44 mb diskette and it runs all my most loved games. ,👍😀
My pardner and I developed a multitasking DOS/TSR(Terminate and Stay Resident) OS. Its functionality provide prioritized run queues, event wait and single threading resource queues. DOS and bios calls were single thead protected by a resource queue. It was part of our Here & There PC-DOS remote control software product. It was also used in the TRUEDATA 80186 based factory floor data collection terminals and their PC polling and management software.
"amazingly alternative" rather than "amazing alternative".
Bro... you're not going to BELIEVE how alternative this is. Amazingly so!
I mean yeah, amazingly alternative is the right way to put most of these.
@@kwanele_dev Nonsense.
This phrasing stuck out with me as well. It worked
Amazing alternatively operating systems.
BeOS was the most expensive operating system I ever had ... when I found that my stake in this company was just penny stocks when it crashed ...
Of course, back in the day the things were different. Although Be Inc was too expensive even for Apple standards.
This video is interesting. I have downloaded one of the operating systems to try that you have on your list. Thank you for providing the links to the sites it made life easier. Have you done anything with Linux PC router os? I have tried IPcop and smoothwall to block ads and other things from downloading to my network. They worked for awhile but slowly over time they became useless. When they did work it made the internet faster and more reliable.
Nice to see you back Dan, great video
Fascinating, thanks for sharing sir. TempleOS was especially interesting, gonna have to take a closer look at that one out of curiosity more that anything.
Illumos is still the better choice over Solaris, as it has people who were originally from Sun working on it, amongst other things (there’s an excellent lecture by Cantrill called Fork Yeah! that’s still on TH-cam, that discusses this more in depth). Tribblix is from my understanding the most Desktop friendly distribution of it.
Enlightening video ! Gave insights of many OS systems that could not come gain popularity.
Amiga Workbench 1.3 works fine for me on my A1500HD. I've also have a couple of Macbooks running Chromium. I might replace them. Thanks for the tip.
The OS I'm most excited about is NixOS, which is a fully declarative, functional (as in functional programming) OS. All the DevOps tools people have developed for managing Linux in the cloud is just kind of a native feature of the OS. There is no server drift, rollbacks are essentially instant, there is no such thing as dependency hell, etc. Unlike the others in this list, it has the potential to be a real staple. I would have also mentioned Fuscia from Google, which isn't finished yet, but if you're paying attention to OSs, that one would be on your radar.
Functional as in Rust functional? or "functional" as in Python.
React OS (especially the latest 0.4.12 alpha) is really good. We are running this as a main OS for our Living Room with custom Linux as Dualboot.
This way originally a Win95 PC and its running very good... even the Win95 up to Win 8?1 compatability is working so good on 2Gb of RAM and 1Tb Storage...
Why would you have 2gigs of ram with 1 terabyte of storage?!?!
Great video, I don't think most people even know there are any other Operating Systems besides the main 3. Thanks for all the hard work with this video.
And there is good reason behind that, they are absolutely pointless for most users.
Great video, I had no idea about Illumos, very cool!
I loved BeOS back in the day. But now, all the other OSes have caught up to everything it did that was amazing in the 90s.
One thing modern OSes still haven't caught up to is the buttry smoothness of BeOS even under heavy load or on low end hardware. You could turn off a CPU and the 11 videos you have playing wouldn't skip frames, your music wouldn't stutter.
We threw hardware at the bloat and design faults of Windows and MacOS (which is really BSD with a colorful Mac wig on top) when BeOS' efficiency blew them all away almost 20 years ago. Computing would be very different today if BeOS had found its niche.
"OSes have caught up"? Who cares? The enhancements are usually quite meaningless or can be provided by other programs. The only exception being stability and speed. As I see it, the main point is to break free from the firm grip of M$ (or Apple, Google, etc.) and owning your system, instead of leasing it.
@@herrbonk3635 You can have the greatest OS in the world but if it doesn't run your apps, it is useless.
@@Banzai51 Sure, but it was you that brough up things being "amazing" or greatness. I'm basically just interested in peace, stability and freedom (from globalistic monopolistic companies).
@@Banzai51 exactly why Linux distros are not an option for gaming. There's many people that say it is, but after the past year of me using distros, hardly any of my games will actually run in WINE. Windows is the only option currently, until those programs become compatible with the OS natively, without needing crappy wine
A list of obscure OSes should include Plan 9.
Isn't this a Distributed Operating System that doesn't receive any more support?
@@simonestarace5249 "As Bell Labs has moved on to later projects in recent years, development of the official Plan 9 system has stopped. Unofficial development for the system continues on the 9front fork, where active contributors provide monthly builds and new functionality. So far, the 9front fork has provided the system Wi-Fi drivers, Audio drivers, USB support and built-in game emulator, along with other features.[16] Other recent Plan 9-inspired operating systems include Harvey OS[17] and Jehanne OS.[18]"
@@darkstorminc Never heard of those 2 OS. Thanks for the info.
Inferno is the name of its successor :)
9front is better.
What a wealth of knowledge, thanks!
My ears perked up when you said "Minicks" (Minix) :P Great video, Dan!
Why no mention of the BSD's?
I ran FreeBSD for a while. A lot more practical than some of the mentioned systems.
I don't think BSD qualified as alternative enough.
Everyone forgets that the BSDs exist.
Unix system V, BSD, POSIX .....meh. With POSIX it kind of makes Unix flavor pointless and Solaris basically integrated all 3.
isn't OSX basically BSD anyway?
Clever stuff, Dan! Maybe I will try out one of those "Amiga" things one day... 😉
Won't your Sinclair fanbase get upset?
Very nice, reminds me of earlier days of electronic data processing.
The wallpaper on amigaos 4.1 looks great, I'm not seeing it in the distro. Is that something else you used or an I just missing something?
Haiku and ReactOS are the ones I choose to support. ReactOS for replacing Windows and run legacy software and Haiku because BeOS was and still is my favorite OS of all time.
agreed. I know this is two years old but I'm still holding out for ReactOS, but Haiku is decent and 100% usable for general purpose stuff.
Yes, I have still somewhere a CD of BeOS. Somewhere… In my own first years I used OS2 for daily usage and programming Telemecanique PLC for the industry. It was indeed at that time beter sheduled as W95… But industrial programming uses W10 now, which is also good… by time. I getting old...
ReactOS is terrible, Frank. 25+ years of development and it's still in alpha.
If you're going to include Amiga OS 4.1 then you should probably include Amiga OS 3.1.4 which was released far more recently by Hyperion Entertainment than OS 4.1 which, at this point, seems to be essentially an abandoned product as far as first party support and hardware to run it on is concerned.
But it still runs! You can't kill it. OS3.1 was truly abandoned for many years and we kept it alive anyway.
Not interested in the Hyperion piratical manouvers with 3.1 until they stop messing about!
@@GraphicalRanger I don't know how you can possibly call them piratical as they own the rights to Amiga OS up to 3.1. (as well as the rights to develop and market future Amiga OS releases). As for messing about it seems difficult to top the previous Amiga Inc who, as far as I can tell, no longer exists in a practical sense. Right now Hyperion are literally the only company supporting the original 68k machines and future Amiga OS releases. Otherwise the only other company with any rights to the Amiga trademark seems to be Cloanto who seem content to just release updated emulator packages each year.
Thank you for your list,i will try 2 &3
QUESTION: Can I download this "React" OS to run on a very weak Lenovo laptop with a CPU that is only an AMD E4? That laptop actually runs Windows 10 okay and boots up pretty fast with an SSD, but Google Chrome kills it with slowness. I am hoping to find a way to run Chrome faster, but I don't like the Chromebooks.
Loved OS/2 (2.? and Warp). This was before the internet was a thing. Instead we had BBS (Bulletin Board System), where you'd use your phone line to dial into a server to chat and download files. Couldn't believe how much more powerful my computer was when running OS/2 instead of Windows (3.0 or 3.1, I forget which). With OS/2 I could play a game while at the same time downloading something. In contrast, attempting to use Notepad under Windows resulted in the connection dropping out. It's a shame it did not become the mainstream OS.
Yes, I remember too. The BBS (RA = remote access) and FIDO NET (mailer frontdoor) ... in a DOS-Box. With 2 telephone lines my 386 was running 2 DOS boxes under OS/2 warp 3 (configured without the WPS. Running programs with GUI was still possible, starting them from a CMD shell.)
Btw the WPS in warp3 has often crashed - so that mouse click and keystroke was not possible anymore. Somebody has programmed a third party tool named shutup. This worked, because it has recognized the keys of a joystick and killed (restarted?) the hanging WPS process. :-)
Can not remember anymore if the bug was still in warp 4. I have lost my warp 4 CD. :-(
Well, Windows *NT* 3.1 came on the scene shortly after OS/2 and just creamed it in the marketplace. We were using OS/2 on 486 servers for performance and somebody had the gall to come in a boot up an NT CD-ROM. That's all it took, and we weren't even actively looking for an alternative to OS/2. And lest you think I'm dumping on IBM, I can proudly say I was raised on their MVS and VM "big iron" OSes. Gerstener was their downfall. "Cookie Monster".
I heard of Terry Davis and Temple OS back in the day. Did not think it was still around or heard of what happened to Terry RIP hope you got the reward you were seeking
they got rid of him from the /g/ sticky :(
Hey, you mentioned that you're associated with FriendOS and I was wondering if you could answer a question I had. I noticed on the website that it mentioned running Windows applications, and I was wondering what programs and applications it could handle (and games too, if any). Thanks!
Great video! I've never heard of the majority of those O/S
Rest in peace Terry. You will be missed.
Saw the doc on the guy and man did that dovetail down in the end. Healthcare is completely fucked up. In an alternative reality dude would be well and working as a programmer somewhere. What a waste... and loss.
what doc?have a link?
@@Greenberet. th-cam.com/video/UCgoxQCf5Jg/w-d-xo.html
thanks!
1993 called
It wants their OSes back.
Алекса Младић, I’m sorry Windows but 1993 wants their os back
@No Name no eye candy = minimalist.
@@tripolitan ya was wondering that too lol
1993...the year I was born. This video was awkward to watch for me o.o
I am a software developer, never written an OS.
...maybe i should. o.o'
Why was there no mention of FreeBSD ?? It is an awesome OS, and the Posix / Unix user-space applications on Mac OS X is based on FreeBSD's code. It has some OSes that derivate from it with specialized on Desktop use, NAS use, etc. Or generally the other BSD's that are out there like
NetBSD and OpenBSD. Those deserve to be mentionend on such a high quality OS video. Cheers :-)
also the switch's os is based on freebsd
hi Dan, i have a few questions about MorphOS
what is the morpos used for ?
who is it for ?
I was like "That's BeOS! why is it called Haiku!?..... That's so cool!" :D
BeOS would display a haiku poem when it issued an error message .
I believe this inspired the name .
I'd never have guessed this guy was a radio presenter after listening to his voice...Born for local radio! Poptastic!
he should go on the Fun Radio station in paris ! hahahahahahahaha
Radio Norwich
I actually bought a physical copy of BeOS 4.5 back in the day, and a digital download of 5.0... I did play with the widely leaked 5.1 "Dano" beta that appeared a while after Be Inc stopped trading... Nice OS I thought and really nice SDK documentation... Heavy focus on being a "real time" media rich OS the way the Amiga OS was designed and highly modular in nature... This video makes me want to play with Haiku OS... again...
Nice piece of information. Would love if you get similar video on the alternative softwares for MSOFFICE etc
I looooovvvveeeddd my Amiga 500! First computer I ever bought. Sold it for 4 times what I paid for it.
My first computer was a CPC 464.
I still own an Amiga 1200.
😲wooaa
I would've liked to hear about Plan 9. The architecture has always appealed to me.
hi dan, what is the best Amiga OS to run on a raspberry pi playing amiga games and retro games (any system up to the N64) and also basically watch youtube and surf the net?
How many of these use or derived from the Linux kernel?
Well there goes the rest of my afternoon downloading and trying out some of these😉
Well he missed the "big" ones-BDS, chromiumOS, and technically Android x86, all of which are more popular then anything on this video, not that any of these are really common os's
Virtualization makes it easy to try a lot of these without a lot of pain.
@@jaykoerner chromium and Android x86 are both linux based so he only really missed bsd based operating systems
@@dantetehderp4896 no, they just use the Linux kernel(the Linux kernel mis developed separately from the rest), the rest of the is entirely different, and if your gonna say that's a problem then you forget some of the ones he showed also use the Linux kernel, so your point?
@@jaykoerner chromiumOS is a Linux dist as well as Android.
I can't believe he didn't talk about BSD based operating systems!
Me either, as many pieces of the BSDs have made their way into Linux to improve it, most notably OpenSSH. But I also expected to see FreeDOS on the list, if not also Inferno, VisOpSys, and the desktop version of Genode (named Sculpt).
I was also surprised by the omission of the various BSD flavours. Admittedly, they tend to make better servers than desktops, but they are a more practical choice for actually getting anything done than many of the systems mentioned in the video that are often just toys.
@@timothybolshaw Possibly because he sees *BSDs as just Linux distros with a different kernel and much less support, which is partly true, because *BSDs lack an identity and personality of their own on the desktop.
The other operating systems, although they may seem like toys, at least they offer something different, and that is the sad truth.
BSDs are a distant fourth, but still way more mainstream than anything on this video.
I'm lost and confused, are y'all talking about Blue Screen of Death or something not explained to someone who doesn't speak ACRONYM!?
Wow man. Excellent report. Cheers from Spain
Interesting stuff. I was never into the Commodore computers. I got into the Radio Shack Color Computer and the OS called OS-9. The system was extremely powerful for its time and the machine it ran on. It had the capability to multi-task and you could even log in a second user simultaneously. (Sure couldn't do that with DOS). The CoCo had 32k ram and they fooled into running on the CoCo 3 which had 64K. It ran on a nice little microprocessor, the 6809E. I think the E was for an external clock but it has been such a long time. I had a lot of fun with it.It had a text program sort of like Vi. I used to use to made the sunday bulletin for my church using this humongous line printer I dug out of a dumpster. Kinda wish I had a CoCo now to mess around with. I could probably actually do something with it. Haha. I wonder what ever happened to OS-9? I know there was an OS-9000 but I bet they are both long extinct. (Guess I could Google it right?) Imagine just having 32K of ram.Boggles the mind doesn't?
Nice story. Enjoyed it. TempleOS has a fascinating story. It's a shame what happened to its creator. Very sad.
The Coco 1/2 was a combination of 16 KB, 32 KB, and 64KB ram. The Coco 3 was 128 KB and upgradeable to 512 KB officially. Unofficially, I heard something about a meg of ram being installed by someone. As for OS-9 there is a community version for the Coco both Level's 1 and 2 called NitroOS. It got started shortly after the secrets of Hitachi's 6809 clone, the 6309, became known.
This week I have been mostly using Amiga Workbench 2.05.
Menuet/Kollibri, BSD, Hurd, QNX... Oberon/Bluebottle? Probably nobody's heard of it outside the German-speaking world, but it's a fascinatingly odd graphical hypertext-based OS written in the Oberon programming language (something like Pascal/Modula, developed by the same man at the ETH Zürich) that did the rounds on freebie CDs in German PC magazines from the 90s/early 2000s. It looked so promising :(
Any tips?? I have a great 32 bit netbook, that was running Windows 7 lite... (Atom CPU and 2 gig ram). Is(was) excellent but now struggles with the full version of Windows 10 (win 7 no longer supported). Any tips for a lightweight OS that can run ms office? Cheers!
Very interesting. I was one of Martin Richards' students when he was developing Tripos in Cambridge in the 70s.
Very cool. As founder of Friend OS, I always wanted to put Amiga OS, AROS, MorphOS and Friend OS in a "family" with Tripos - to create a domain for this way of thinking about operating systems. Hope we get that one day.
OK, you've got the OS. Now, where do you get something that runs on it? :)
This is the question!) see Windows Mobile)
I tried BeOS when it was still alive. It seemed like a pretty good foundation, but there were hardly any programs so I couldn't do much on it. I'm sure Haiku has improved that aspect, but by how much?
@@chitlitlah I imagine at least Audacity, LibreOffice, GIMP, Blender, OBS, Firefox etc. are ported to Haiku. Prolly on other OSes on this list as well.
Be Os was awesome Pre Windows XP!
You should mention which programming languages and compilers are available on each of these operating systems. An O/S depends on applications to survive.
Thanks for this video I just downloaded haiku, react and openIndiana!
MenuetOS : fast (thanks to the asm language), usuable and responsive !
I was surprised how sluggish it is, actually. Apparently it doesn't offer much in the way of hardware acceleration, so written in assembler or not, you won't get much responsiveness out of it.
writing in asm for modern ISAs is not very smart to say the least
asm is ok. very low level to program something nowadays, but it is ok... in many usecases.
@@thbenda i'm sorry but only in a very few usecases. basically those are when you have an HW the compiler does not know about. otherwise just fix your algorithm(s).
and - considering the claim of the TS - writing the whole OS in asm is just insane from the maintenance standpoint alone.
@Anton Some people have a different perspective and do things as they need or as they can do it or as theirs customers need. So consider the context before any judgment. For my own point of view, I prefer using C++ to code any related drivers, sockets or systems related tasks.
And you can always get asm from C++ compiled code in order to run on a system targeted.
RIP King Terry. The greatest programmer that has ever lived.
I thought he was just channeling for GOD, so he could have called it the C-BIBLE or something similar.
Davis remained lucid when discussing computer-related subjects, his communication skills were significantly affected by his schizophrenia. He was controversial for his regular use of racial epithets, which he explained was his way of combating actors of psychological warfare. During his final months, he struggled with periods of homelessness and incarceration. In 2018, he was struck by a train and died at the age of 48. Investigators could not determine whether his death was suicide or accidental.
I used to use Solaris on SPARC hardware to VNC into telephone switches, long time ago . And RISC on a BBC micro. I still have, in it's box with all the disks and instructions, an Atari STE1040.
I remember running BeOS on a Thinkpad I had way back when. I was really just starting to learn modern computers at the time. I had a blast with Be.
Microsoft didn't drop out of OS/2 because of Windows. Windows was just supposed to be a UI for DOS (that's why it couldn't boot on its own and had to started from within DOS), whereas OS/2 was supposed to be a new OS that replaces DOS. They dropped out because there was a huge controversy between IBM and Microsoft programmers, as IBM programmers were used to write well written, well documented, well structured, well planed code - and Microsoft programmers were none of that. Realizing that this isn't going to work out, Microsoft decided to develop Windows into a full blown operation system on its own to prevent that IBM pushes them out of the market with their advanced OS/2. If OS/2 wouldn't have been to horribly overpriced, maybe everyone would be using OS/2 instead of Windows today as from a technical perspective it was way better than Windows and it could run Windows and MS-DOS software, so you got a better system and could keep all your existing apps. Yet being way more expensive than Windows and not being bundled with any of the shelf PCs, Microsoft won this battle.
Solaris was a great operating system until Oracle brought Sun.
No it wasn't.
@@ejwerme Yes, it was and still used today by Ericsson for many applications for mobile companies.
@@abelardomarquez2506 That doesn't make it great. I preferred the BSD-based SunOS 4(?) instead of the AT&T SysV Solaris (SunOS 5?)
I was a developer on DEC's Tru64 Unix, that was a good system. I focused on NFS and attended many Connectathons, so know many NFS developers for many OSes.
And of course, VMS has been a very stable platform for decades, though I have very little experience with it.
ANYTHING was great before Oracle bought it.
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 I was going to say the same....
very informative, thank you
I'm in IT business since '85 & I just learned something new