FYI, virt-manager actually does have Haiku in the list of OSes, you just have to manually type it in. It comes up as "haikunightly." Hope this helps anyone else.
I remember a few years ago when I was porting my software (a c++ project with multiple dependencies including curl, libgit, etc) from linux to multiple os' and porting it to haiku was the easiest, it just worked without any changes and it was very easy to install the required software and dependencies. OpenBSD required 1 change and MacOS required a few more changes because MacOS doesn't properly support posix (and setting up the development environment was second to windows in annoyance).
BeOS was a contender to replace the old Mac OS 9 before Apple acquired NeXT. I guess in a parallel universe, BeOS went on and became Mac OS X while NeXT Step evolved into Haiku.
I tried BeOS back in the day and even then it was a pretty powerful system. Their promises were for a media centric os back then. Played with Haiku a few times since and it does look good.
I used BeOS R5 on my PC for a while in the early 2000s when it had still at least fairly recently been in development. Enjoyed it and the unique features it had. I've been following Haiku over the years. Recently installed beta 4 on an old chromebook and I've been working to use it for some of my personal document management needs because the BFS attribute support makes it awesome for that kind of thing.
I know i'm late to the party, but was this in the UK by any chance? I remember about 1999 there was a cover disk for one of the popular magazines (may have been .NET?), that gave BeOS away for free. Like you say it was not long out of development, and so the app support was pretty great - including modern web browsers. I used it in place of my daily drive linux machine for months. Coming from an Amiga oriented youth something just seemed 'right' about it, and the font and window rendering was so crisp compared to some of the sloppier linux DM's of the time. I wish I could use Haiku as my daily drive today. I'm planning on using it as a serial machine on my test bench to primarily monitor DiagROM serial output, and host legacy floppy drives. All it needs is a fully featured modern web browser and i'd be back on it in a heartbeat. It's a real shame its not *quite* there.
I remember BeOS machines being sold in my university bookstore. They looked soooo fast in rendering video and the desktop was so snappy. The only problem was there was no real software being developed for the platform, at least, not for long.
sad, sounds like windows phone, every single experience with windows phone i had was MESMERIZING, even windows phone 7 is snappier than many mid range modern android devices
@@godnyx117 Just software in general, is what I meant. A few apps, but not much else. Most software still came on discs, etc, back then, so when you see a cool PC, but not a lot to run on it, it did not make a good impression.
@@FrDismasSayreOP Aha! It seems I was fast to judge me friend! Thanks for the explanation, hope you can have more fun with modern OSes ;) I wish you to have an amazing day or night!
BeOS was my daily driver for some years back in early 2000. Loved it! It was so blazing fast and did everything that I wanted. Also, their boot manager allowed me to make a BeOS/Windows/Linux triple boot machine!
Hakku OS is a great project. I've always enjoyed it but I found it to lacking to be a daily driver for my uses. I hope development moves forward on this operating system. Also I'd like to point out that if you use the 32 bit OS you can use the old BeOS applications without modification. That's a nice feature that they put into BeOS. However the 64 bit OS can't execute the old BeOS Binaries, you would have to recompile them to work with a 64bit kernel.
I stumbled across Haiku recently and did the same as you, spun it up in a VM and was impressed, a much better experience than I expected, it is indeed quite usable, it even has gcc pre-installed as was ssh/sftp so I was easily able to get stuff to try out from my other machines. To be honest I didn't know about BeOs in the '90s or I probably would have favoured it over the competition that was around at the time, it's a pity it fell by the wayside.
Maybe worth mentioning. I just checked and the latest version still supports 32 BIt. I still have an old Laptop sitting around and so far I really liked non of the very few 32 Bit Linux distros still around. So maybe I will give this a spin. Thanks for sharing. I never heared of this OS.
I really like how it was very graphical without a text mode that you ever saw. Was quite futuristic for a PC back in those days. Linux tried to hide it with backgrounds, but only Mac and BeOS were truly GUI first.
I don't understand why anyone would celebrate an OS that doesn't have a text/CLI mode. GUIs are just too slow compared to power user usage at the CLI with keyboard shortcuts, command piping and scripts. Even Windows has never fully got rid of the command line - and there have been several occasions where my wife, as a fully Apple user, has had to resort to the command line on the instructions of an Apple support person on the phone to get a working Mac again. Why would you applaud this? I do hope that as "gentuxable" you're not a fellow Gentoo user...
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Haiku very clearly does have a CLI, which you'd know if you watched the video. It's just not necessary for new users or everyday usage, which is a good thing.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I used to be, now I'm on Arch but I see things differently. First off I think Haiku as a single user system is just unusable in this form for any normal computing anyway. You couldn't run normal programs without harming yourself everyday, there would be no sandbox nothing. Having said that I feel like there are situations where a text mode simply won't work. What about computers that don't have a keyboard and only a touchscreen you need an onscreen keyboard anyway and don't tell me you want that half a screen filled with a virtual text mode keyboard to use with gpm. Well yeah I just like it as a concept. I think could be nice but as a said beign single user by design rather breaks it for most uses, security nightmare! EDIT: But I mean maybe a touch screen terminal with interactive display could just run fine because all security happens on the other end, netbooted and everything why not.
@@pawanyr360 Who said I didn't watch the video? I was questioning the original poster about his attitude to command lines in OSes. In other words, you need to read comments properly and understand context before you "stick your oar in". Now run along, mind how you go and stay away from sharp scissors. I wasn't addressing you in the first place. Discussion closed.
@@terrydaktyllus1320as a former Gentoo user myself (nowadays I’ve switched to fedora because it’s a really nice and comfy distro with minimal maintenance required, which as I get older and busier I do appreciate), ill just point out that not every os is built for powerusers, and that’s okay! For less advanced users, accessibility comes first when it comes to personal computing! Yes, things like Gentoo are great for more advanced users wanting the more granular control over their system, but for most users, they don’t want to think about their system, which is a valid perspective (though I personally do not share it)
I remember being able to buy a copy of BeOS from Fry’s Electronics in the 90s and thought it was so cool to play with. If I remember correctly, it was very fast for multimedia, and was ahead of Windows when it came to multithreading applications. Would love to see a Be Box in person, still.
that windows management - something so useful and yet so completely overlooked in so many OS's. This is why I like messin around with different distros and OS's. You never know what you might find that you knew you needed and maybe you didnt even know you needed so bad
I've tested BeOS in 2000 and it was light years ahead that was in any kind of OS of that era, the only thing that killed it is perhaps limited software support from commercial developers, games and others, limited hardware support and for enterprise case, the lack of multiple user accounts and ACL The BeOS operating system family is a quality OS that still deserves some love to become a truly serious contender to Windows NT, MacOS, Linux and other Unix like OS in enterprise and home uses alike and bring the needed improvements to the core system for modern computer needs
I love Haiku to death, but on my machine it is the opposite of fast. I just tested the new beta on bare metal and was shocked to find every click take multiple seconds to register. I'll need to install it on another device to see if it's faster there. In any case, thank you for covering Haiku, I was hoping you would :D Happy New Year!
I installed haiku on my gaming pc as a third os, learned how to triple boot using grub thanks to it. By the way they have a at least up to date version of libre office in the package manager so I mainly use it to write.
IDK if you noticed but when you double clicked the Desktop icon in the home folder, it was de-focusing the folder - the window manager was literally selecting the desktop as the current focus :)
I always wanted a BeBox back when they were available. For one very important feature: the blinkenlights. Each BeBox physical system had like activity meter lights in the case that looked super cool. I like the UI of Haiku and the little window management features are pretty cool. I'm curious if the community is open to experimentation with new features or if they're just dedicated to reproducing the original BeOS design? Like would they be accepting of changing it so the system software management was based on immutable objects with an OS-level object storage layer added on? Or making it so when you hit the Super key at the desktop it popped up a search bar that let you quickly launch applications from a few letters typed in an autocomplete prompt?
I imagine that their current focus is on recreating the original BeOS design, then once R1 reaches full release, the developers could split to update it while another team works on an R2 with new features.
I used BeOS in the 90s on and off. Mostly off. I did like it but it never really went anywhere. Haiku never ran on systems I tried it on in the past but haven't tried it again for a long long time. I wonder what its security and privacy is like in comparison to other OS's.
Hey DT! If I can suggest a couple of video topics... - Package managers. A tier list. - LXQT. What it wants to do and what it already does. Which could also be an excuse to talks about the advantages of having a non-kde qt desktop and applications and reflecting on the state of the gtk / qt war. And also maybe the dificulties in theming a non kde qt environment.
My local Mom & Pop computer store was really big on BeOS, and it looked great, at the time I was using Win98 and the owner of the store suggested a second hard disk for my 386sx computer with 640k and some kinda video card, in order to properly run the OS unfortunately I was never able to afford it. This look like something nice to spin up in VB. Thanks for the video :_)
@@pauldufresne3650 Of course it's currently not an OS for non-technical users, but DT _is_ technical, and the point of a SerenityOS video would be to show the project, not to advertise it as a daily driver distro.
Haiku is a brand new operation system essentially. Not sure why people consider it old. There are nightly images with the very latest bleeding edge code. It is inspired by BeOS which is the old operating system, not haiku itself.
I read that BeOS was very popular choice for video editing tasks back in 90's. Are there any legacy applications that are widely used today that would require something like Haiku OS?
It is installed on my X220 along with emacs, netsurf, libreoffice and inkscape! Can it be a document "production" machine? Don't know but since this is my 3rd laptop, HaikuOS will happily live there!
I remember using BeOS. I actually knew a couple of the developers back in the day. They bragged that BeOS was the only OS with a faster/better TCP/IP stack than BSD Unix. Really wanted a BeBox when they were available, but never could afford one.
I have an old Acer Aspire ONE ZG5 32bit Intel Atom Netbook, and I've ran 32bit Haiku on the original 1.5in 80GB HDD with only 1.5GB of RAM(systems limit), and man does it fly on that little machine, but for me the web browser is not the most usable. The only other OS I've seen come close that's not Win XP 32bit is Q4OS Trinity 32bit, which is the only currently supported 32bit Linux distro with Chromium browser that will play 480p YT videos without choking on that hardware. So props to the Haiku team for making such a lightweight OS.
They've added an X11 compatibility layer in this release and GTK applications mostly run. This means they also get Epiphany (Gnome Web) as a browser, which is much more capable than WebPositive. If the browser was a blocker for you previously, as it was for most people, it's worth checking out again. With that said, they don't have GPU drivers so all rendering is still unaccelerated, so don't expect parity in terms of performance on heavy rendering tasks.
There's at least one PuppyLinux (TahrPuppy I recall) I saw demonstrated in a video where it was installed on the first generation of Asus EeePC netbook - you know those really low speck ones with uncomfortably tiny keyboard (I love them though, I have one), and it came with some really tiny browser that could play modern YT videos on that netbook. Not in high-resolution, but the resolution of that screen is NOT high anyway.
I remember the video Druaga made about installing Haiku (probably on an SSD, that was kind of his thing). This was a little more informative. Great work, DT!
Since 2005 I regularly (compulsively?..) check on Haiku status (and also Reactos). Haiku made huge progress, I still don't understand what its' niche is (apart from being used on outdated hardware, but Linux can do that too)
If it has the same audio and video accuracy as BeOS5 did it would be better than the best MacOs was on the fastest hardware it could use. Be had one major downfall, lack of developer support very few apps and very little driver support but what it did support it worked amazingly with, the editing accuracy was insanity, levels no other OS at the time could even come close to matching.
I've been loving BeOS so much since 1995. Till now don't want any thing better from it save one thing. It'll be a greatest news of all time if someone will please make a project to *port most of the great Linux applications* to Haiku.
They’ve had port a lot of things over from BSD and Linux in order not to reinvent the wheel. That saves their developers a lot of time that can be better invested in making Haiku more up to date, stable and usable.
Haiku native programs are completely different - assembled from functional programs (ex there is 1 system spell check unit that all programs use) time should be spent on these native programs instead of porting. Native programs are more Unix style than linux
The window sticking/gluing and the tabbed window grouping are possibly BeOS'/Haiku's most interesting remaining unique features -- its once legendary multi-processing ability has been met by other modern OSes in the 21st century.
I would say it's the desktop programs performance in general. Software rendering from it is very fast and most things run very fast, especially graphics and sound. It could be far, far faster in the future, when it finishes the beta stage, most importantly in things like compression and encryption.
One of the best features of BeOS was the file search system built-in to the filesystem itself. Apple hired the BeOS developer who helped build Spotlight search on macOS. Notice how fast and efficient Haiku / BeOS is while still looking rather good. BeOS was created by a former Apple employee. Apple went shopping for a next generation OS after failing multiple times to create their own. Apple chose NeXT but BeOS was a close second option.
Spotlight does not have that much to do with the BeOS solution which was at the filesystem level but it is true Apple hired one or more of the people involved designing BFS. Also true that the CEO was an Apple exec before Be but can't really say modern Apple OSes and BeOS have that much in common. If they did Haiku might not be a thing.
It was a nifty idea, but it's pretty clear at this point that this functionality does not belong in the filesystem layer. It makes much more sense to build metadata and search inuserspace on top of an agnostic filesystem. File type recognition is also now nowhere near the central problem it used to be in the 90s.
@@paulie-g Well, BeOS goes in directions rather different from the limited scope Spotlight has and I think some parts do belong in the filesystem (the significant use of extended attributes at least) and some parts of it are still interesting. Some other parts like the indexing for the attributes may not belong in the filesystem layer but these ideas are far from fully explored right now.
@@sluxi I understand what they were trying to do - Be was targeted for A/V use cases and user-supplied tags make sense for that. However, excessive complexity in the fs is *always* bad. There is exactly 0 reason to do this in kernelspace. You can easily have tags and indices in regular files and expose them via a systemwide api, which Be already did for other things. I've never used Searchlight. A great many indexing options exist on Linux, and afaik the only one that abuses xattrs is KDE Baloo. I'm not convinced they need to be explored. I don't run any indexers personally and don't want to pay for them in fs complexity, therefore reliability. I'm not a luddite or a conservative greybeard. It's just that people who haven't worked with filesystems don't understand how nearly indistinguishable from magic it is when they work reliably. It's the same sort of thing as VLSI engineers explaining how modern CPUs work at the finfet level. This is why nearly all attempts at "modern fs from scratch" have failed so miserably - the combinatorial complexity of corner cases and failure modes is just insane. I know this is not intuitive - you look at the vfs api and say to yourself (id you don't know any better) "how hard could this be?" - but it is what it is.
@@paulie-g I mean I don't think attributes in the FS is exactly a controversial thing since pretty much all modern filesystems support it to some degree. It's more the actual utilization of them that is limited (OS X does some maybe thanks to there being people who knew BeOS involved, there's SELinux and acls...) and that BeOS did extensively, there is some but mostly they are hidden from the users. Why would you consider something like baloo using them "abuse"? You could argue that tons of other things that are done at the FS level could be just as well be in userspace so I don't think that really flies as an argument without giving some additional rationale.
To me, these OSes are seem to be suitable for notebooks, being lightweight, fast and polished. Something for daily use without being frequently updated (or otherwise stable). This said, drop-down menus are, in my opinion, are not the best choice
About 10 years ago I had a laptop with Windows Vista on it, got so tired of its slowness that I actually installed Haiku on the hardware and could enjoy how fast and friendly and no-nonsense it was. Wifi didn't work for me there, so I had to connect Ethernet cable to use the Internet. Otherwise it worked great, I even made a GUI app for photo processing for myself. Programming BeOS / Haiku is a joy. Each window is a separate thread with its own message queue, it's all about message passing but done in a nice convenient way. The API being made in C++ forced them to be stuck with GCC 2.95 or smth like that, hopefully now they've evolved.
@@davidr2421 that's advanced tiling windows management stuff inside a floating windows manager, I don't think we actually have that, i3 does floating but you'd opt out from all tiling functionalities and just isolate the selected window
@@heroe1486 Fluxbox can do tabs, but I don't remember it being able to stick windows together like that... A tiling&tabbing former window manager, ion3, used to be able to open a floating frame that you could split into frames just like you would do with the whole desktop... well, at least if you had a specific patch to it. Unfortunately ion's author was sort of a prick I guess, he did release the source code for it, but it wasn't really FOSS, and the project died when he got bored of it or whatever. Too bad, because I really liked the way ion worked. As for current WM's... I don't know any that does these both - I know some tiling window managers do tabbing (it's a must for me, ion2 was my first tiling WM, and I got used to that... I don't want a different workspace for different browser windows for example, when I could have windows with titlebar (which I also want even in tiling WM's without tabs), which can be divided into tabs..., but I don't know whether they support tabbing for floating windows and I've never seen another one that could combine floating windows with tiling features other than Ion myself - still looking. Maybe I should take one and try forking my own... perhaps one made with lisp, because they're naturally & natively extensible & rewritable. Or one that already has the closest match of features. Oh well... Of floating wm's that I've used, one that I would have thought to have best chances of ever getting this kind of features would've been Enlightenment (I used E16 back in the naught's a lot, it was very... featureful... also tried E17, which was more of a full DE, but I don't know if it ever got to 1st non-beta/testing/etc. stage - and I have no idea if that WM/DE project is still alive... I sometimes here of Enlightenment, and wonder if it's the same project still alive). But in the end I don't know any that is alive and can do this - and one that could do it, although not in directly same way (you don't combine two floating windows side-by-side, you split frames and create windows in them... And you don't combine windows into one, you create windows inside same frame... though, you can move a window from another frame (including the non-floating one) to the one you want, so... I guess, technically you can. Ion also had kinda two window managers - his earlier wm, 'pwm' iirc, was a floating one and you could open new workspaces either as tiling (ion) or floating (pwm) modes - and the pwm workspaces could do tabbing as well, but I'm fairly sure you couldn't use the tiling features inside those floating frames in pwm workspaces; BUT I NEVER TRIED. Anyway, that was one that could in fact do these things.
Many years ago, I DID use BeOS. I barely remember what was installed on that computer ... but something like this: Windows Millenium, Windows Server(no idea what version), a couple of Linux distros (I would say, SUSE, and ... Slackware?. I can't remember. There was NO Ubuntu, that I know off. Debian was too hardcore. And I don't think there were that many distros at the time. Red Hat, and I think I'm forgetting another one). And finally I had BeOS. What I remember from it, was very little. I think it was "offered" as a video editing linux system (or Unix. Again, so long ago, I can't remember). Also, you could boot directly to a GUI from installation. If I remember well, most linux distros at the time, would boot to the shell, and then you'd have to edit some files (.bashrc?) so the x-window would start, and whatnot. Also, I think I had some issues with drivers (maybe the sound blaster 16? or something that I had at the time, that wasn't directly supported). I think I felt like the GUI was sooo smooth, for a system like that, at the time! 😅 My first contact with computers/videogames was ... Pong (literally, the original one), Apple II, then Spectrum 48K with rubber keys(the 128K +2 would come later on). First PC, a 386-40Mhz, 1MB of RAM, 20MB of HDD. But, even better!!! My mom worked for IBM at the "Punched Card Data processing" department. Just that... punching and verifying cards in the 70s😲 LOL
BeOS, the operating system that could have been the next MacOS, right up until Steve Jobs came back to Apple whereupon, the next MacOS was always goping to be based on NextStep. Another OS that could have been was AmigaOS. AROS is the continuation of that, though whether that's entirely independent or based on some form of Linux, I'm not sure. Another 1990s operating system that had a distinctive look was RISCOS for the Acorn Archimedes, last I checked there was a version for the older Raspberry Pis (I think the Pi3 was the last supported version) I don't think that OS was ported from ARM.
Was going to bring this up as well - I wasn't completely certain, but fairly sure that it was Fluxbox where I got used to that feature :) Now I'm certain ;^)
Tbf to Haiku modern Linux is not particularly UNIX-like either ;) Otoh Haiku's POSIX compatibility is very deeply integrated into the system, and support for multiple users exists in the kernel and BFS, its simply not exposed in the desktop environment (yet). You can however create password protected accounts for services like SSH running locally. That said, I wouldn't write Haiku off as this is as good as things are gonna get just yet, there are still plenty of improvements to come between now and R1. Already we have somebody working on AMD RADV drivers, albeit in a very alpha state. Plus if its not a project that you've been following closely over the years it would be easy to miss how much of a leap B4 is over B3 already. I can go days now without the system hanging, browsing the web, editing pictures, listening to music, writing code. The addition of wayland and X compat to app_server has also allowed us to port a contemporary browser for the first time in too many years. I'm already using it as a daily driver on a spare Thinkpad, but I suspect Haiku will be in an even better place in another year or two. Exciting times!
I'm so happy that Apple went the Unix route for MacOs. A BeOS base would have been yet another opaque GUI with a massive collection of syscals like MacOS 7.
I VERY MUCH approve of the "one user" thing. One of the things that has always annoyed me about our "computer path" is that we force fit these enterprise-grade systems into our personal workflows. It's supposed to be a PERSONAL computer, and I should never have to fight with it to get it to do what I want it to, and I shouldn't have to carry the overhead of all of those "security systems." The high cost of making kernel calls in Linux, while it enforces all the security aspects - that's cycles wated as far as I'm concerned. It's my machine - gimme it. Gimme ALL OF IT. I want ALL the cycles. And if I do something idiotic and ruin my system, well, that's on me.
Wow, it's been well over a decade since I spun up Haiku. I should do that again sometime and take a look at it again. I remember it being fun to toy around in back then and now I'm curious to see where it's gone since then.
Haiku was actually in the 'Alpha' stage until relatively recently. I believe they only released 'Beta 1' around 2019. Or maybe that was 'Beta 2'... that's when I started playing around with it. Only saying that cause "Haiku has been in beta for 20 years" makes it sound like development has been incredibly slow and incremental... like ReactOS. It's been pre-release for 20 years... but a lot has been improved even since Beta 3, just a year ago.
I remember using beos in the late 90s had a computer first computer celeron 333mhz with 64mb ram, beos was marketed as a multimedia os such as video, back then many songs that came out on disc had the music video on it, I used it for the video and geesh so much better to than windows, go into the folder, find the video and launch it and it played perfectly compared to windows 98 and launched instantly and playback was smooth, not stuttering, ran without peoblems, I think file size back then was 50mb for 3 min video and it played great, it's a shame it left, the video capacity was awesome and if it evolved and kept going it would of been best way to watch 4k today, good memories
I think Haiku does have a place in basic hardware (that what most people want) and user friendliness. I would certainly love to see Haiku on Chinese RISC-V notebooks.
@@BiscuitBobby Because they are the ones, alongside the Russians, that are throwing lots of money on an open platform to get independent technologically from USA and Europe. You can already find RIsc-V boards from Aliexpress.
I encountered BeOS as a platform for radio station programming, of all things. Otherwise I'm not aware of any other use for it, but I'm eager to check this out again lol
4:10 - Hey, DT, I think you forgot to create a partition. You just ended up formatting the whole hard disk WITHOUT creating any partitions. I remember when I tried installing Haiku OS, I had to right click the initialized hard disk, and click Create partition. And then it booted fine without any errors.
Yeah, he initialized and created a partition at first, then for some stupid reason, decided to just format the raw disk instead of the partition he created! In most reviews of Haiku that I've seen on TH-cam, this is where they screw up, almost every time!
Crazy, i wanted to try BeOS but cannt get the last version, but finaly read that Haiku remade all from and the only one to be active and i get it just few minutes ago ^^
FYI, virt-manager actually does have Haiku in the list of OSes, you just have to manually type it in. It comes up as "haikunightly." Hope this helps anyone else.
Oh wow thanks!
I used to love BEOS back in the day I'm glad there are still some remnants of it in play
Very helpful
I remember a few years ago when I was porting my software (a c++ project with multiple dependencies including curl, libgit, etc) from linux to multiple os' and porting it to haiku was the easiest, it just worked without any changes and it was very easy to install the required software and dependencies. OpenBSD required 1 change and MacOS required a few more changes because MacOS doesn't properly support posix (and setting up the development environment was second to windows in annoyance).
I was not expecting to read that
BeOS was a contender to replace the old Mac OS 9 before Apple acquired NeXT. I guess in a parallel universe, BeOS went on and became Mac OS X while NeXT Step evolved into Haiku.
NextStep probably would have gone on to become a BSD. A sort of alternative on the tier of OpenIndiana.
@@GeoNeilUK It couldn've become BSD, as BSD was there long before Next, or Mac, or Linux.
@@yrkke_produkcija Next however came with a killer dev kit and it’s overall design style was more in line with the “Apple Way”.
@@fmlazar That's true though.
I guess NeXT ended up as WindowManager, as Mac OS X went its way
I tried BeOS back in the day and even then it was a pretty powerful system. Their promises were for a media centric os back then. Played with Haiku a few times since and it does look good.
These type of projects are needed for soul satisfaction
I used BeOS R5 on my PC for a while in the early 2000s when it had still at least fairly recently been in development. Enjoyed it and the unique features it had. I've been following Haiku over the years. Recently installed beta 4 on an old chromebook and I've been working to use it for some of my personal document management needs because the BFS attribute support makes it awesome for that kind of thing.
@ChrisFromGreece Yeah same, I might never have even tried using BeOS or heard of it if I hadn't been a Linux user already at that point.
I tried BeOS before I tried Linux, by just a short bit. I think I might be using Be if that had caught any sort of traction.
I know i'm late to the party, but was this in the UK by any chance? I remember about 1999 there was a cover disk for one of the popular magazines (may have been .NET?), that gave BeOS away for free. Like you say it was not long out of development, and so the app support was pretty great - including modern web browsers. I used it in place of my daily drive linux machine for months. Coming from an Amiga oriented youth something just seemed 'right' about it, and the font and window rendering was so crisp compared to some of the sloppier linux DM's of the time.
I wish I could use Haiku as my daily drive today. I'm planning on using it as a serial machine on my test bench to primarily monitor DiagROM serial output, and host legacy floppy drives. All it needs is a fully featured modern web browser and i'd be back on it in a heartbeat. It's a real shame its not *quite* there.
I remember BeOS machines being sold in my university bookstore. They looked soooo fast in rendering video and the desktop was so snappy. The only problem was there was no real software being developed for the platform, at least, not for long.
sad, sounds like windows phone, every single experience with windows phone i had was MESMERIZING, even windows phone 7 is snappier than many mid range modern android devices
"nor real software"
Cringe when people think and speak like that. What is a "real" software? "Cool" Adobe proprietary garbage?
@@sockettgirl And I thought I was the only one who liked them...
@@godnyx117 Just software in general, is what I meant. A few apps, but not much else. Most software still came on discs, etc, back then, so when you see a cool PC, but not a lot to run on it, it did not make a good impression.
@@FrDismasSayreOP Aha! It seems I was fast to judge me friend! Thanks for the explanation, hope you can have more fun with modern OSes ;) I wish you to have an amazing day or night!
That combined, tabbed window thing is actually really cool.
I wish some modern OSes (Windows, Mac) would take up BeOS'/Haiku's tabbed window features.
BeOS was my daily driver for some years back in early 2000. Loved it! It was so blazing fast and did everything that I wanted. Also, their boot manager allowed me to make a BeOS/Windows/Linux triple boot machine!
Hakku OS is a great project. I've always enjoyed it but I found it to lacking to be a daily driver for my uses. I hope development moves forward on this operating system.
Also I'd like to point out that if you use the 32 bit OS you can use the old BeOS applications without modification. That's a nice feature that they put into BeOS. However the 64 bit OS can't execute the old BeOS Binaries, you would have to recompile them to work with a 64bit kernel.
YES! Thank you for even covering this really interesting OS! I "check in" and see how it's going (kinda like Perl6) at Haiku every few yrs.
I bought BeOS 4 when it came out and ran it at home for a long time. Loved it. Used to hang out on the BeGroovy forums and had a BeMail account.
I stumbled across Haiku recently and did the same as you, spun it up in a VM and was impressed, a much better experience than I expected, it is indeed quite usable, it even has gcc pre-installed as was ssh/sftp so I was easily able to get stuff to try out from my other machines. To be honest I didn't know about BeOs in the '90s or I probably would have favoured it over the competition that was around at the time, it's a pity it fell by the wayside.
What a pleasant surprise Derek!! I remember this is fondly. It's a great os with some really cool features. Happy new year and thanks for 2022!!!😀
BeOs always makes me super relaxed, I think it's cause of the 90s demo video, which is probably the most relaxing video I've ever seen.
I love that wild 'Windows 95 on a fast system' instantaneous feel of Haiku. I think maybe it's the lack of animations?
Been playing with this for a long time now and it get's better with every release and is great.
I member Bryan Lunduke declared that Haiku was now ready to be a daily driver recently since some new web browser got a released on it.
Maybe worth mentioning. I just checked and the latest version still supports 32 BIt. I still have an old Laptop sitting around and so far I really liked non of the very few 32 Bit Linux distros still around. So maybe I will give this a spin. Thanks for sharing. I never heared of this OS.
I really like how it was very graphical without a text mode that you ever saw. Was quite futuristic for a PC back in those days. Linux tried to hide it with backgrounds, but only Mac and BeOS were truly GUI first.
I don't understand why anyone would celebrate an OS that doesn't have a text/CLI mode. GUIs are just too slow compared to power user usage at the CLI with keyboard shortcuts, command piping and scripts. Even Windows has never fully got rid of the command line - and there have been several occasions where my wife, as a fully Apple user, has had to resort to the command line on the instructions of an Apple support person on the phone to get a working Mac again.
Why would you applaud this? I do hope that as "gentuxable" you're not a fellow Gentoo user...
@@terrydaktyllus1320 Haiku very clearly does have a CLI, which you'd know if you watched the video. It's just not necessary for new users or everyday usage, which is a good thing.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I used to be, now I'm on Arch but I see things differently. First off I think Haiku as a single user system is just unusable in this form for any normal computing anyway. You couldn't run normal programs without harming yourself everyday, there would be no sandbox nothing. Having said that I feel like there are situations where a text mode simply won't work. What about computers that don't have a keyboard and only a touchscreen you need an onscreen keyboard anyway and don't tell me you want that half a screen filled with a virtual text mode keyboard to use with gpm. Well yeah I just like it as a concept. I think could be nice but as a said beign single user by design rather breaks it for most uses, security nightmare! EDIT: But I mean maybe a touch screen terminal with interactive display could just run fine because all security happens on the other end, netbooted and everything why not.
@@pawanyr360 Who said I didn't watch the video? I was questioning the original poster about his attitude to command lines in OSes.
In other words, you need to read comments properly and understand context before you "stick your oar in".
Now run along, mind how you go and stay away from sharp scissors.
I wasn't addressing you in the first place.
Discussion closed.
@@terrydaktyllus1320as a former Gentoo user myself (nowadays I’ve switched to fedora because it’s a really nice and comfy distro with minimal maintenance required, which as I get older and busier I do appreciate), ill just point out that not every os is built for powerusers, and that’s okay! For less advanced users, accessibility comes first when it comes to personal computing! Yes, things like Gentoo are great for more advanced users wanting the more granular control over their system, but for most users, they don’t want to think about their system, which is a valid perspective (though I personally do not share it)
Just as I was thinking about it and looked the OS up, there I saw you having a video uploaded 10 mins ago. Live a century!
I remember being able to buy a copy of BeOS from Fry’s Electronics in the 90s and thought it was so cool to play with. If I remember correctly, it was very fast for multimedia, and was ahead of Windows when it came to multithreading applications. Would love to see a Be Box in person, still.
Had audio accuracy of around 1/1000th of a second, good enough accuracy to do anything with audio honestly.
that windows management - something so useful and yet so completely overlooked in so many OS's. This is why I like messin around with different distros and OS's. You never know what you might find that you knew you needed and maybe you didnt even know you needed so bad
Hey DT, I recommend you try a new Linux distro that was recently released. It’s very unique and it’s name is VanillaOS
It's on my "to do" list.
@@DistroTube Nice. Also thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment
@@DistroTube Cant wait for that video
What about crystal linux with amethyst package manager?
Or Redox OS, written by rust
Haiku is amazing and can pretty much be daily drived now
I've tested BeOS in 2000 and it was light years ahead that was in any kind of OS of that era, the only thing that killed it is perhaps limited software support from commercial developers, games and others, limited hardware support and for enterprise case, the lack of multiple user accounts and ACL
The BeOS operating system family is a quality OS that still deserves some love to become a truly serious contender to Windows NT, MacOS, Linux and other Unix like OS in enterprise and home uses alike and bring the needed improvements to the core system for modern computer needs
I love Haiku to death, but on my machine it is the opposite of fast. I just tested the new beta on bare metal and was shocked to find every click take multiple seconds to register. I'll need to install it on another device to see if it's faster there. In any case, thank you for covering Haiku, I was hoping you would :D Happy New Year!
That sounds like a driver or kernel bug with your specific hardware, Haiku is very fast even on potato PCs.
I installed haiku on my gaming pc as a third os, learned how to triple boot using grub thanks to it. By the way they have a at least up to date version of libre office in the package manager so I mainly use it to write.
I used BeOS as a daily driver for about a year right around 1999/2000, on a dual P200 desktop. Loved it.
IDK if you noticed but when you double clicked the Desktop icon in the home folder, it was de-focusing the folder - the window manager was literally selecting the desktop as the current focus :)
I always wanted a BeBox back when they were available. For one very important feature: the blinkenlights. Each BeBox physical system had like activity meter lights in the case that looked super cool. I like the UI of Haiku and the little window management features are pretty cool. I'm curious if the community is open to experimentation with new features or if they're just dedicated to reproducing the original BeOS design? Like would they be accepting of changing it so the system software management was based on immutable objects with an OS-level object storage layer added on? Or making it so when you hit the Super key at the desktop it popped up a search bar that let you quickly launch applications from a few letters typed in an autocomplete prompt?
I imagine that their current focus is on recreating the original BeOS design, then once R1 reaches full release, the developers could split to update it while another team works on an R2 with new features.
Haiku already has features that BeOS didn’t.
I used BeOS in the 90s on and off. Mostly off. I did like it but it never really went anywhere. Haiku never ran on systems I tried it on in the past but haven't tried it again for a long long time.
I wonder what its security and privacy is like in comparison to other OS's.
Hey DT! If I can suggest a couple of video topics...
- Package managers. A tier list.
- LXQT. What it wants to do and what it already does. Which could also be an excuse to talks about the advantages of having a non-kde qt desktop and applications and reflecting on the state of the gtk / qt war. And also maybe the dificulties in theming a non kde qt environment.
Always fun to wake up to a new DistroTube video. Been a viewer of yours for about... a year and a half
Thanks!
Ive been a viewer for about 8 months, moved to linux 6 months ago and its been really fun
My local Mom & Pop computer store was really big on BeOS, and it looked great, at the time I was using Win98 and the owner of the store suggested a second hard disk for my 386sx computer with 640k and some kinda video card, in order to properly run the OS unfortunately I was never able to afford it. This look like something nice to spin up in VB.
Thanks for the video :_)
You should take a look at SerenityOS, a new experimental OS built completely from scratch.
"There are no ISO images. This project does not cater to non-technical users." Does not have a package manager.
@@pauldufresne3650 Of course it's currently not an OS for non-technical users, but DT _is_ technical, and the point of a SerenityOS video would be to show the project, not to advertise it as a daily driver distro.
It could one day be a daily driver but from what I saw, it looks old and also its not ready for the average user.
@@NormanF62 it looks old on purpose
It's kinda cringe that they won't make "distros" for it just to weed out less technical people
Thats amazing for such an old operating system
Haiku is a brand new operation system essentially. Not sure why people consider it old. There are nightly images with the very latest bleeding edge code. It is inspired by BeOS which is the old operating system, not haiku itself.
@@JeffreyParke the look and function
I learned more than I expected from this and your whole approach ---- therefore subscribed as of now!
The last sentence about Fish being available got me hooked!
I haven't thought about BeOS for a while. I always loved the vector icons!
I read that BeOS was very popular choice for video editing tasks back in 90's. Are there any legacy applications that are widely used today that would require something like Haiku OS?
My take on it is you would want to run on a modern video editing app which is available in Haiku Depot.
It is installed on my X220 along with emacs, netsurf, libreoffice and inkscape! Can it be a document "production" machine? Don't know but since this is my 3rd laptop, HaikuOS will happily live there!
I remember using BeOS. I actually knew a couple of the developers back in the day. They bragged that BeOS was the only OS with a faster/better TCP/IP stack than BSD Unix. Really wanted a BeBox when they were available, but never could afford one.
Haiku have a mix of Unix and Windows.
So nostalgic, keep it on!
I have an old Acer Aspire ONE ZG5 32bit Intel Atom Netbook, and I've ran 32bit Haiku on the original 1.5in 80GB HDD with only 1.5GB of RAM(systems limit), and man does it fly on that little machine, but for me the web browser is not the most usable. The only other OS I've seen come close that's not Win XP 32bit is Q4OS Trinity 32bit, which is the only currently supported 32bit Linux distro with Chromium browser that will play 480p YT videos without choking on that hardware. So props to the Haiku team for making such a lightweight OS.
They've added an X11 compatibility layer in this release and GTK applications mostly run. This means they also get Epiphany (Gnome Web) as a browser, which is much more capable than WebPositive. If the browser was a blocker for you previously, as it was for most people, it's worth checking out again. With that said, they don't have GPU drivers so all rendering is still unaccelerated, so don't expect parity in terms of performance on heavy rendering tasks.
@@paulie-g Thanks for the info, I'll give it a shot when I have some spare time on a newer machine than my old ACER Netbook lol!
The web browser is crippled by not being in compliance with modern web standards and that limits it for me as a daily driver.
@@NormanF62 Like I sad above, they now have Gnome Web/Epiphany running and that's based on WebKit.
There's at least one PuppyLinux (TahrPuppy I recall) I saw demonstrated in a video where it was installed on the first generation of Asus EeePC netbook - you know those really low speck ones with uncomfortably tiny keyboard (I love them though, I have one), and it came with some really tiny browser that could play modern YT videos on that netbook. Not in high-resolution, but the resolution of that screen is NOT high anyway.
Such a classic OS. Have several memories from the 90s/2000s using what was a really a simple OS.
I remember the video Druaga made about installing Haiku (probably on an SSD, that was kind of his thing). This was a little more informative. Great work, DT!
I was surprised to see GZDoom in that list of packages. That's pretty cool.
Hey DT, on the ‘Placement’ dropdown, choose ‘Stretch To Fit’ or something to that effect.
Since 2005 I regularly (compulsively?..) check on Haiku status (and also Reactos). Haiku made huge progress, I still don't understand what its' niche is (apart from being used on outdated hardware, but Linux can do that too)
If it has the same audio and video accuracy as BeOS5 did it would be better than the best MacOs was on the fastest hardware it could use. Be had one major downfall, lack of developer support very few apps and very little driver support but what it did support it worked amazingly with, the editing accuracy was insanity, levels no other OS at the time could even come close to matching.
I've been loving BeOS so much since 1995. Till now don't want any thing better from it save one thing.
It'll be a greatest news of all time if someone will please make a project to *port most of the great Linux applications* to Haiku.
BeOS was actually the OS for the short lived BeBox which was a dual proc PowerPC system in the 90s.
They’ve had port a lot of things over from BSD and Linux in order not to reinvent the wheel. That saves their developers a lot of time that can be better invested in making Haiku more up to date, stable and usable.
Haiku native programs are completely different - assembled from functional programs (ex there is 1 system spell check unit that all programs use) time should be spent on these native programs instead of porting. Native programs are more Unix style than linux
The window sticking/gluing and the tabbed window grouping are possibly BeOS'/Haiku's most interesting remaining unique features -- its once legendary multi-processing ability has been met by other modern OSes in the 21st century.
I would say it's the desktop programs performance in general. Software rendering from it is very fast and most things run very fast, especially graphics and sound. It could be far, far faster in the future, when it finishes the beta stage, most importantly in things like compression and encryption.
Original BeOS allowed window tabbing yes, but tabbed windows were not draggable...not together.
So you could only tab them.
They do appear to be looking at supporting Flatpak. The results will eventually be very interesting.
One of the best features of BeOS was the file search system built-in to the filesystem itself. Apple hired the BeOS developer who helped build Spotlight search on macOS. Notice how fast and efficient Haiku / BeOS is while still looking rather good. BeOS was created by a former Apple employee. Apple went shopping for a next generation OS after failing multiple times to create their own. Apple chose NeXT but BeOS was a close second option.
Spotlight does not have that much to do with the BeOS solution which was at the filesystem level but it is true Apple hired one or more of the people involved designing BFS. Also true that the CEO was an Apple exec before Be but can't really say modern Apple OSes and BeOS have that much in common. If they did Haiku might not be a thing.
It was a nifty idea, but it's pretty clear at this point that this functionality does not belong in the filesystem layer. It makes much more sense to build metadata and search inuserspace on top of an agnostic filesystem. File type recognition is also now nowhere near the central problem it used to be in the 90s.
@@paulie-g Well, BeOS goes in directions rather different from the limited scope Spotlight has and I think some parts do belong in the filesystem (the significant use of extended attributes at least) and some parts of it are still interesting.
Some other parts like the indexing for the attributes may not belong in the filesystem layer but these ideas are far from fully explored right now.
@@sluxi I understand what they were trying to do - Be was targeted for A/V use cases and user-supplied tags make sense for that. However, excessive complexity in the fs is *always* bad. There is exactly 0 reason to do this in kernelspace. You can easily have tags and indices in regular files and expose them via a systemwide api, which Be already did for other things. I've never used Searchlight. A great many indexing options exist on Linux, and afaik the only one that abuses xattrs is KDE Baloo.
I'm not convinced they need to be explored. I don't run any indexers personally and don't want to pay for them in fs complexity, therefore reliability.
I'm not a luddite or a conservative greybeard. It's just that people who haven't worked with filesystems don't understand how nearly indistinguishable from magic it is when they work reliably. It's the same sort of thing as VLSI engineers explaining how modern CPUs work at the finfet level. This is why nearly all attempts at "modern fs from scratch" have failed so miserably - the combinatorial complexity of corner cases and failure modes is just insane. I know this is not intuitive - you look at the vfs api and say to yourself (id you don't know any better) "how hard could this be?" - but it is what it is.
@@paulie-g I mean I don't think attributes in the FS is exactly a controversial thing since pretty much all modern filesystems support it to some degree.
It's more the actual utilization of them that is limited (OS X does some maybe thanks to there being people who knew BeOS involved, there's SELinux and acls...) and that BeOS did extensively, there is some but mostly they are hidden from the users. Why would you consider something like baloo using them "abuse"?
You could argue that tons of other things that are done at the FS level could be just as well be in userspace so I don't think that really flies as an argument without giving some additional rationale.
I want this OS to succeed. Thanks for covering, I will donate the creators somewhat.
Great work Thank you and Happy New YEar DT 🥳🥳🥳
To me, these OSes are seem to be suitable for notebooks, being lightweight, fast and polished. Something for daily use without being frequently updated (or otherwise stable).
This said, drop-down menus are, in my opinion, are not the best choice
I rembember working on this in my first Google code-in without without even knowing what it was at the time. Feels so good to know it's still around.
About 10 years ago I had a laptop with Windows Vista on it, got so tired of its slowness that I actually installed Haiku on the hardware and could enjoy how fast and friendly and no-nonsense it was. Wifi didn't work for me there, so I had to connect Ethernet cable to use the Internet. Otherwise it worked great, I even made a GUI app for photo processing for myself. Programming BeOS / Haiku is a joy. Each window is a separate thread with its own message queue, it's all about message passing but done in a nice convenient way. The API being made in C++ forced them to be stuck with GCC 2.95 or smth like that, hopefully now they've evolved.
Haven't heard from BeOS in awhile! Cool!
Great video and great coverage of Haiku!
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This is impressive. Linux needs this feature.
Linux can do this perfectly fine, it just depends on the window manager/desktop env. For example you can do this kind of stuff in i3
@@davidr2421 that's advanced tiling windows management stuff inside a floating windows manager, I don't think we actually have that, i3 does floating but you'd opt out from all tiling functionalities and just isolate the selected window
@@heroe1486 Fluxbox can do tabs, but I don't remember it being able to stick windows together like that...
A tiling&tabbing former window manager, ion3, used to be able to open a floating frame that you could split into frames just like you would do with the whole desktop... well, at least if you had a specific patch to it. Unfortunately ion's author was sort of a prick I guess, he did release the source code for it, but it wasn't really FOSS, and the project died when he got bored of it or whatever.
Too bad, because I really liked the way ion worked.
As for current WM's... I don't know any that does these both - I know some tiling window managers do tabbing (it's a must for me, ion2 was my first tiling WM, and I got used to that... I don't want a different workspace for different browser windows for example, when I could have windows with titlebar (which I also want even in tiling WM's without tabs), which can be divided into tabs..., but I don't know whether they support tabbing for floating windows and I've never seen another one that could combine floating windows with tiling features other than Ion myself - still looking. Maybe I should take one and try forking my own... perhaps one made with lisp, because they're naturally & natively extensible & rewritable. Or one that already has the closest match of features. Oh well...
Of floating wm's that I've used, one that I would have thought to have best chances of ever getting this kind of features would've been Enlightenment (I used E16 back in the naught's a lot, it was very... featureful... also tried E17, which was more of a full DE, but I don't know if it ever got to 1st non-beta/testing/etc. stage - and I have no idea if that WM/DE project is still alive... I sometimes here of Enlightenment, and wonder if it's the same project still alive).
But in the end I don't know any that is alive and can do this - and one that could do it, although not in directly same way (you don't combine two floating windows side-by-side, you split frames and create windows in them... And you don't combine windows into one, you create windows inside same frame... though, you can move a window from another frame (including the non-floating one) to the one you want, so... I guess, technically you can.
Ion also had kinda two window managers - his earlier wm, 'pwm' iirc, was a floating one and you could open new workspaces either as tiling (ion) or floating (pwm) modes - and the pwm workspaces could do tabbing as well, but I'm fairly sure you couldn't use the tiling features inside those floating frames in pwm workspaces; BUT I NEVER TRIED. Anyway, that was one that could in fact do these things.
I loved BeOS! Used to use it in High School along with my other Favourite, AmigaOS!
Oh god, he's going full Lunduke. Next thing you know he'll stat growing hair and using glasses.
I remember people being excited about BeOS in the 90s, but I never met anyone who actually used it.
Many years ago, I DID use BeOS.
I barely remember what was installed on that computer ... but something like this:
Windows Millenium, Windows Server(no idea what version), a couple of Linux distros (I would say, SUSE, and ... Slackware?. I can't remember. There was NO Ubuntu, that I know off. Debian was too hardcore. And I don't think there were that many distros at the time. Red Hat, and I think I'm forgetting another one). And finally I had BeOS.
What I remember from it, was very little. I think it was "offered" as a video editing linux system (or Unix. Again, so long ago, I can't remember). Also, you could boot directly to a GUI from installation. If I remember well, most linux distros at the time, would boot to the shell, and then you'd have to edit some files (.bashrc?) so the x-window would start, and whatnot.
Also, I think I had some issues with drivers (maybe the sound blaster 16? or something that I had at the time, that wasn't directly supported).
I think I felt like the GUI was sooo smooth, for a system like that, at the time! 😅
My first contact with computers/videogames was ... Pong (literally, the original one), Apple II, then Spectrum 48K with rubber keys(the 128K +2 would come later on). First PC, a 386-40Mhz, 1MB of RAM, 20MB of HDD.
But, even better!!! My mom worked for IBM at the "Punched Card Data processing" department. Just that... punching and verifying cards in the 70s😲 LOL
Re-wright of BeOS Operating system of choice used by the likes of UTV and possibly the BBC, UltraDV was the Video Editing package that goes with BeOS.
Holy crap. I'm just glad that when I talk about BeOS people don't look at me weird anymore.
It must be just my face.
HAIKU looks like someone's personal project
They have some cool ideas with the window management !
Really interesting !
BeOS, the operating system that could have been the next MacOS, right up until Steve Jobs came back to Apple whereupon, the next MacOS was always goping to be based on NextStep.
Another OS that could have been was AmigaOS. AROS is the continuation of that, though whether that's entirely independent or based on some form of Linux, I'm not sure.
Another 1990s operating system that had a distinctive look was RISCOS for the Acorn Archimedes, last I checked there was a version for the older Raspberry Pis (I think the Pi3 was the last supported version) I don't think that OS was ported from ARM.
The tab functionality is also a feature of the fluxbox window manager.
Tabbed file browsing wasn’t a feature in Windows until 22h2.
Was going to bring this up as well - I wasn't completely certain, but fairly sure that it was Fluxbox where I got used to that feature :) Now I'm certain ;^)
Tbf to Haiku modern Linux is not particularly UNIX-like either ;) Otoh Haiku's POSIX compatibility is very deeply integrated into the system, and support for multiple users exists in the kernel and BFS, its simply not exposed in the desktop environment (yet). You can however create password protected accounts for services like SSH running locally.
That said, I wouldn't write Haiku off as this is as good as things are gonna get just yet, there are still plenty of improvements to come between now and R1. Already we have somebody working on AMD RADV drivers, albeit in a very alpha state. Plus if its not a project that you've been following closely over the years it would be easy to miss how much of a leap B4 is over B3 already.
I can go days now without the system hanging, browsing the web, editing pictures, listening to music, writing code. The addition of wayland and X compat to app_server has also allowed us to port a contemporary browser for the first time in too many years.
I'm already using it as a daily driver on a spare Thinkpad, but I suspect Haiku will be in an even better place in another year or two. Exciting times!
This comment makes me want to try it. Thanks for sharing!
The side by side would be most useful when using multiple instances of the same app, such as terminals or file managers.
I'm so happy that Apple went the Unix route for MacOs. A BeOS base would have been yet another opaque GUI with a massive collection of syscals like MacOS 7.
Best thing since Amiga!
Single user OS. With containers, we don't need extra users.
I VERY MUCH approve of the "one user" thing. One of the things that has always annoyed me about our "computer path" is that we force fit these enterprise-grade systems into our personal workflows. It's supposed to be a PERSONAL computer, and I should never have to fight with it to get it to do what I want it to, and I shouldn't have to carry the overhead of all of those "security systems." The high cost of making kernel calls in Linux, while it enforces all the security aspects - that's cycles wated as far as I'm concerned. It's my machine - gimme it. Gimme ALL OF IT. I want ALL the cycles. And if I do something idiotic and ruin my system, well, that's on me.
Haiku will eat the desktop as the real open source operating system for home.
Wow, it's been well over a decade since I spun up Haiku. I should do that again sometime and take a look at it again. I remember it being fun to toy around in back then and now I'm curious to see where it's gone since then.
Haiku was actually in the 'Alpha' stage until relatively recently.
I believe they only released 'Beta 1' around 2019.
Or maybe that was 'Beta 2'... that's when I started playing around with it.
Only saying that cause "Haiku has been in beta for 20 years" makes it sound
like development has been incredibly slow and incremental... like ReactOS.
It's been pre-release for 20 years... but a lot has been improved even since Beta 3, just a year ago.
I remember using beos in the late 90s had a computer first computer celeron 333mhz with 64mb ram, beos was marketed as a multimedia os such as video, back then many songs that came out on disc had the music video on it, I used it for the video and geesh so much better to than windows, go into the folder, find the video and launch it and it played perfectly compared to windows 98 and launched instantly and playback was smooth, not stuttering, ran without peoblems, I think file size back then was 50mb for 3 min video and it played great, it's a shame it left, the video capacity was awesome and if it evolved and kept going it would of been best way to watch 4k today, good memories
Happy New Year DT! It's 2023 now in my country
This ese knows his operating systems! 👏
I tried booting Haiku on my hardware (ASUS TUF GAMING F17 FX706HEB) and Haiku kernel panic'd XD
Linux however, runs smooth as butter. Fedora FTW!
After using any exotic OS (Haiku, Reactos, Atheos/Syllable) Linux feels very polished and user-friendly.
@@n1vz3r Yes. YES! YES!
Happy New Year DT. Isn’t BeOS and Haiku in return an extension to AmigaDos?
I think Haiku does have a place in basic hardware (that what most people want) and user friendliness. I would certainly love to see Haiku on Chinese RISC-V notebooks.
Why specifically chinese?
@@BiscuitBobby Because they are the ones, alongside the Russians, that are throwing lots of money on an open platform to get independent technologically from USA and Europe. You can already find RIsc-V boards from Aliexpress.
Cheaper prices due to better economics of scale.
BeOS has a permanent spot in my heart 🎉
Very interesting. I especially like the window system
Hey DT, have you considered checking out Guix 1.4? It released a week or so ago.
I encountered BeOS as a platform for radio station programming, of all things. Otherwise I'm not aware of any other use for it, but I'm eager to check this out again lol
I am old linux now is everything i wanted as a kid.
Haiku is perfect on a spinning HD. and fun to play with.
Is it possible to start two programs tabbed together, programmatically? (Like, from clicking an icon or menu item)
Very good presentation - Interesting information . Thank you .
It looks so good. I've tried rel 2 and 3 but the mail program got stuck somewhere. I definitely going to try R4. Thanks for making us aware
4:10 - Hey, DT, I think you forgot to create a partition. You just ended up formatting the whole hard disk WITHOUT creating any partitions. I remember when I tried installing Haiku OS, I had to right click the initialized hard disk, and click Create partition. And then it booted fine without any errors.
Yeah, he initialized and created a partition at first, then for some stupid reason, decided to just format the raw disk instead of the partition he created! In most reviews of Haiku that I've seen on TH-cam, this is where they screw up, almost every time!
Yeah!
In my days of trying out Haiku OS, I created a partition, and then formatted it. That's how I installed Haiku OS.
And that's how you're supposed to install it.
Crazy, i wanted to try BeOS but cannt get the last version, but finaly read that Haiku remade all from and the only one to be active and i get it just few minutes ago ^^
that *has* to be the most advanced window manager ever
Huh. Glad to know some random OS I bumped into years ago is still up and running, and even improving.