Deal With the Behavior Problem, Not Just the Math Problem! | May 1, 2024
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Dave Ramsey & Dr. John Delony answer your questions and discuss:
- Why you can't let math calculations become your focus when the real problem is your behavior,
- "How do we stay motivated during our debt payoff journey?"
- Why you should never take financial advice from broke people,
- "How do I start saving for retirement?"
- Getting out of an upside-down car (loan),
- "I'm being sued by a credit card company"
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Today, I made my last-ever debt payment. 1 year 3 months, 160k. Poof. no more. House, cars everything paid off at 44yo. I watched this show for a full week while laid up recovering from an injury. Forever changed how I view debt, and how I turned it all around. Me and wifey busted our buts, they've never been firmer. Dave, team. TY!
Awesome!
Congrats!!
Friday will be my final payment and, it was brutal but I can say then that I will be 100% debt free, too! I will never let myself be stupid again. Lesson learned.❤
WOW!! Congratulations 🎉 👏🏼
Total rockstar
Congrats! Welcome to the world of financial freedom!!!! 🎉
Next month i will have paid off all my student loans and be completely debt free. There is a light at the end of the tunnel🙌🥳
Here's the great part - my 30-ish sons some years back went to local college working 40+ hr weeks in retail, lived at home with mom, nearly died lol to have no college debt. Today they're both CPA's, great work, each with pd for cars and each with a house. **The point is they realize they're rich and free compared to their coworkers paying school loans. They help their widowed mom (me 😊), take trips, work like demons but enjoy life. You'll now be able to do more of the same. Congratulations!!!
Amen! Congratulations 🎉
Brought rice and beans to work (hamburger helper leftovers), this show keeps us motivated.
You have started down the right path Focus on economical nutritious food.
Hamburger Helper goes hard. Good stuff
This show keeps me motivated as well!
I love hamburger helper!
Ramsey Show has changed my life! Step 3 is the hardest part and not talked about enough. Need more tips and testimonials on how to create the emergency fund and retain it.
I opened a high yield savings account through Betterment. It is linked to your bank but you don’t have automatic access to withdraw, which is what Ramsey Corp recommends.
It pays about 4.75 back which is great.
I recommend six months worth of expenses to my clients.
It is hard but you feel a peace that feels like a warm blanket.
I agree! I think it’s psychologically harder. I found it more motivating to pay down debt and see my debt shrinking but for some reason I don’t get that same dopamine hit from saving for my emergency fund. I doesn’t help that I’m trying to save for 6 month emergency fund. Seems to be taking longer than I thought. I am impatient to start paying down my mortgage lol.
You are so right. Do a chart/poster. You can get some online (called debt payoff tracker, but use it to track how much you've put away for FFEF). That helped us a ton!!
I love that Dave cuts thru the BS and says things straight on and clear 😂
For sure… feeding children rice and beans, not enrolling them in extracurricular activities is great advice 🙄
@@mandypdxdon’t get yourself in crippling debt and then bring kids into the world. Stay broke
@@mandypdxlmao the kids are going to be fine 😁
Buys $49k car... "Why can't i save fir retirement?" 😅
I love what Dr. John said, this is so important. Do not wait for people to ask you what you need, speak up and let folks know. Don’t get in your head, just say, if you’re able this is what we’ll need help during this time.
Love the saying...finances are not the problem. Its a symptom. Same goes with alcohol. Alcohol was not the problem, it was a symptom of the chaos inside of me.
Dave is fired up on may 1!! Let’s go!!
These 2 are trying to traumatize the 7 kids
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I learned from the first few callers that not only should I get out of debt to buy a home and start a family one day, but to be prepared for anything! I don’t know whether I’ll have triplets or a child with health issues, or anything else. Debt on top of those challenges sounds so stressful. I know people are resilient, but paying off my debt is something I can control!
Loved this episode ❤
Yes that is such a good perspective! We never know what will happen and getting things knocked out during the good times when we think we have no reason to knock out debt is so important. You got this Joanne!
@@averynmitchell Yes! Thank you Avery!
Marry a like minded person with the same values and religious beliefs too. Or you will wish you had. - from someone who didn't ❤
@@caliopeknows844ndb
Politicians and media are the worst form of "influencers".
I remember Larry Brickett! Yes, money matters. My dad made me read his comic style book on economics as a teenager. My husband also read the book as a teen. We plan to include his book into all 10 of our children's homeschool reading. We are a one income family, have made money mistakes in the past but are working it out. We will be out of debt soon, house and all! 10 kids, age 13 years and under
"And you're bald"
*half second later*
"I probably shouldnt have said that"💀🤣
I always want to save more after listening to Dave talk to folks like this……and I am already a great saver!
John is on good behavior with Papa Dave in The Driver's Seat
What classifies as “good behavior?” He acts like he always does! Making jokes 1:44:48 for example, being serious, loving people well, and showing deep compassion and empathy to the callers. That’s Dr. John in a nutshell. He’s a goofball but we love him! ❤😂
Allan debt free is great. Those types of journeys gives me motivation. He didn’t have a big shovel to get out. Thanks Allan 🙏🏻
I started to get really serious on paying off my debt in March 2024 (student loans and car payment) 30k student loans and 10k car payment
Car is payed off
Student loan is down to 16k ... man I can see the light
aw man that first guy is just stressed from having 3 infants poor guy
Naw he is stressed because he screwed up by not taking paying off the loan during that 5 years
Who pays off student loans in 5 years? That's very low percentage
@@PanopticonMind people who have to
@@PanopticonMind you clearly are a newbie …welcome to class 😂❤️💚💛
It’s a low percentage because students don’t make it a priority. They want the nicer car, to have a lot of fun, eating out, traveling, etc when they get out of college.
Don’t be “influenced” by anybody! Make your own minds up people!
Most rich people stay rich by spending like the poor and investing without stopping then most poor people stay poor by spending like the rich yet not investing like the rich but impressing them
People prefer to spend money on liabilities, Rather than investing in assets and be very profitable
You are so correct! Save, invest and spend for necessities and a few small luxuries relatives to one's total assets ratio.
Thank you Angela Christine Derle for $60,000👍🏻. There are so many opportunities to make money here on TH-cam but most people don’t know. Thank you for continuing updates I'm favoured, $60,000 every two weeks ! I can now give back to the locals in my community and also support God's work and the church. God bless America.
Hello how do you make such monthly ?? I'm a born Christian and sometimes I feel so down 🤦 of myself because of low finance but I still believe in God.
After I raised up to 325k trading with her l bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸 🇺🇸
also paid for my son's surgery (Andy). Glory to God.shalom.
You sell so much stuff one of your 7 kids thinks there next 😂😂😂
Erections have consequences
Phenomenal job today by Dave and the great and wonderful Dr. John. Wishing the best to all of the callers! ❤
I looked into the SAVE plan that Dept of Ed offered me and I could have gotten payments as low as $130.00 a month which means I would have the loans until I die. I made the choice to pay my loans $500 a month immediately upon graduation in 2021 when loan payments were in forbearance and interest free. I went from 63K to 49K. Now that I have no other debt except the student debt and a mortgage I am going to go for over 1K payments a month. I am not waiting around for empty promises from the Government.
Man that 1k towards mortgage principal would go so far. SAVE eliminates interest. But props nonetheless
@@PanopticonMind Thanks. Paying on the mortgage before the debt is fighting the Baby Steps 😃 I'll get to the mortgage soon enough it's a 15 year fixed at 2.99% so good progress is being made each month to principal.
@@corinnejones7208same. We decided to go pour jet fuel on it and paid them off last month. Done. 😅
We've also tightened our belt significantly and I'm shocked at how much we're saving by not going out to eat, slowed out general spending and been really careful with our groceries.
An article in my local paper said that there's a woman who's been paying on her student loans since 2006. She wants to apply for this new program. I was so stunned... she's obviously never heard of Dave Ramsey.
I feel you on this. The save plan is only paying the interest in my case. I signed up for forgiveness but nothing is guaranteed so I am paying the save amount plus the interest that is accruing. Some people don’t think I should do this but I am doing it anyway.
"Sale everything off until one of the kids think they are next!" LOL ❤ Ramsey
Sell
Congratulations, Allan! Your story is inspiring!
He changed his entire life by making the decision that he was responsible for his life. Amazing. He stopped drinking, smoking, lost 150 lbs (if you include his ex gf), paid off debt for 4 years, and is getting an engineering degree!! Wow!!
Thank you. You have inspired me. And you are speaking truth about Student loans. I'm going into defcon 1. I've had my student loan forever. Time to pay it off in two years. A credit card of my husband says 30% interest is first. Two years from now I want to be debt free. My student loan is 2.85.
What's the smallest debt? It IS ok to xfer a 30% CC to a lower interest rate card or loan BUT ONLY if you've closed the account and all others.
first caller. hit the student loan. buy good will clothes for kiddos. the younger they are they don’t mind what they wear. once school starts then pressure comes on what they are wearing. go for the time you can cut corners now! get things paid off. at that much money you should be able to do it in 1.5 years without strain
Disagree, I will send triplet infants to your house for a month and see how you can handle it.
Clearly you haven't priced diapers yet. I can't even imagine buying diapers for three infants - and the LAUNDRY!
😮imaginec
The dream of being a pilot and a vet are generally 2 terrible financial decisions. I know from personal experience 😅
I just love how Dave talks about his wife Sharon 🥰
Broke friends who gave me financial advise… max out your ROTH IRA, start today! Sometimes you have friends who want you to learn from their mistakes ❤
i'm so glad Dave answered Nicole the way that he did. That poor mama!
Great job today Dave and John
This episode should be called, "It's not about the interest rate".
1:44:40 "...And you're bald... ...probably hsouldn't have said that...." Hahahaha!!! 😆 😄 😁
Allan is awesome! Great Job,!
Sobriety rocks
Great job Allan!!! Congratulations! You made so many amazing changes in your life and what an amazing future you have to look forward to!! Absolutely inspiring!
1:47:19 great job Allan!
Something tells me Allan is going to be a great engineer someday 💪💯 well done sir.
For the girl with the judgment in Florida - if your income is under 70,000 and you have dependents, you can get an exemption from garnishment. They are required to notify you of this with the paperwork that you received requesting your income information. You may wanna go back and look at that paperwork for the exemption form!
Great reaching out on Theo Von, that pod cast was great. Its ben great seeing him growth along with us all reach all America. Thank you.
I would use it to buy all of your books as well as DR jon, rachel and George lol
Wait, what am I doing....getting anxious and feeling sorry about other people's nonsense....get my old ass in gear and start these steps Dave outlined!!! These phone calls are depressing 🤦🏿♂️
Idk if the producers read these comments but please tell the Ramsey team: medical doctors and nurses cannot defer admission, change admission dates or go part time. It just isn’t an option. Most of these programs are difficult to get into and start once a year..no exceptions. I am a CRNA and was fortunate to get into a program without being waitlisted. You have to start when the rest of the class starts and can’t go part time. In fact if something happens and you need to take time off, you have to wait until the next class starts the following year to resume the program. I’m referring to John’s suggestion that the RN start the anesthesia program in January instead of June. It’s just not a reality.
Love Larry have one of his books. Have several of yours Dave
Larry?
@@Trustbutverify2651Larry Burkett- Dave’s dear friend who passed away awhile ago but who was also a well known radio personality (NOT for Dave). Larry also taught biblical principals on managing finances and if I’m not mistaken some business practices as well.
@@flashthecorgi2053 principles (spelling) - and, yes, I've know about Larry Burkett for decades - just wasn't sure which "Larry" the comment was referring to. Larry formed his first company in 1973 and taught financial principles on college campuses. One of the major differences between Larry and Dave is that almost all the work Larry did was NON profit.
@@Trustbutverify2651 Wasn’t Larry also a radio personality though? Did he make money off the ads for that?
@@flashthecorgi2053 I didn't say Larry didn't make money. Obviously a non-profit has to make money to function. He just had a different philosophy, that's all. There's nothing wrong with making money. That's obviously what Dave is all about when he regularly tells people to get out there and make MONEY. But Dave is also extraordinarily generous. You need to STOP with the armchair psychology, always reading into remarks ideas that aren't there. (And maybe, just maybe, you could stalk other people and not wait to pounce on every remark I make.)
Tell that pilot guy there's a pilot school in Cedar City Utah that will help you go through school / with military and internships etc. SUU aviation
Sell thing so fast that one of the 7 kids think their going to be next 😂😂😂
I REALLLY hope Dave provided resources to the guy with all those kids. He was hurting for help in how to move forward.
We will, God willing, be on a future cruise with you awesome folks! 🚢 🏝️ hopefully y’all do it in 26’ then can do! Else 27’. Cannot wait!
Deana Carter ‘strawberry wine’ 🍓 🍷 was always a fav I’d sing 🎤 🎶 90s child 👧 😁 what a blast that’s gonna be, plus the beautiful places going!!! 🏖️ 🌊 🐠
I’m a big fan of final boss Dave
It's not his final form.
@@LittleMopeHead”you haven’t even seen my final form” _ Dave Ramsey
I will go on the cruise next time. Can I request an Alaskan cruise? Pleeease? Our son is graduating that week and we cannot go this round.
Great advice on the pilot training with air national guard…reserves…lots and lots of demand right now. Check out civilian air patrol in your area.
It's really hard to sympathize with the first caller after hearing the lady with her daughter's heart condition call in.
Dave was too harsh on the first caller. Them infants expensive men!!
What a blessing though !!! Triplets:) He can’t see it yet as he is stressed
No he wasn’t. The caller wanted to spend the money on the wrong debt. The guy was okay paying debt, just not the student loans.
John seems nice
First caller it was clear they were struggling to drink their own coolaid. Why would you pay off zero % interest when you could attack another debt. They had no valid reason but to pay the stupid thing off. Oh good point 😂
I do chicken and rice. And im still struggling. I also dont make what these folks are making. 6 fig is a great way to get out of debt.
I say this with peace and love because I'm a fan of Dave and the gang. But will somebody tell Dave to stop telling wanna be pilots to just join the Air Force. In order for them to train you in flying you have to be a officer. To be an officer you have to have a college degree. If the dump truck driver wants to be a pilot. Thats fine. Get a degree in engineering from a good school. Then apply to the Air Force. Make sure they guarantee you a officer program. The Air Force doesn't train enlisted men. Enlisted men are fuel guys, drivers, and mechanics, and etc. Along with a degree from a good university you have to pass a numbers of tests. A F-35C cost close to 120 million dollars. Very few people actually fly in the Air Force. Your IQ has to be through the roof to become an Air Force pilot.
This is correct. And there is a large washout rate even if you are accepted. No guarantees.
I agree with everything except the high iq part. I was an aircraft technician in the Air Force and met my fair share of Air Force pilots….safe to say they don’t have high IQ’s. 😂😂😂😂 Amazing focus, ability to think on their feet, but I’ve come across a couple that were….ehhhh. lol
@@TheGrantrepreneur High IQ does not always accompany "good common sense: and "emotional intelligence" and good social skills. But they do have the higher IQs required of AF pilots.
Idk how many times I tell people DONT BUY A HYUNDAI/KIA and definitely dont finance one...
1:22:00 Change your job tittle.... I think Operations Manager at the least.
44:20 how do u owe your husband🤣💀😆
Tammy, did you go buy $50,000 car no sir I only paid 49k for it 😂😂 I like Tammy 😂
Funny how all of the callers say they are doing great when they call in, then immediately proceed to explain their in a living nightmare 😂 I guess it’s just something you say, not what you mean
Samatha's Question of the day - sounds like tradwife (or in the case tradgirlfriend) to food stamps pipeline
Going to miss that intro once Papa Dave retires, just not the same without him.
Shout out to Alice Cooper for turning his life around and following Jesus. 🙌 ❤
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The guy who cash-flowed his basement while still in debt shows me that if he sells his property to get out of debt, he will probably return to debt within a year. His priorities show he has not really changed. He is still spending on wants instead of paying off his debt.
Samantha has to move quick. Talk to an attorney asap. Those kids are almost grown.
The wife should talk to her husband about paying back the 6,000. She will be better off if he is not requiring her to pay that back. He is her husband and makes a lot more money than she does.
He's not requiring her to pay it. It's her ideology
You must have missed the part where she explained SHE didn't want to combine finances.
@@Trustbutverify2651 who really knows for sure but the two of them 💅
I love the “International Guard” 🤣🤣
Air national gaurd.... not international gaurd
Haha oh is that what he said? That’s even worse! Keyboard national guard
What do you mean the air national gaurd is a real thing... do you not know that?
James needed a tough love approach. Dave skipped the love and went straight to tough. James is obviouly overwhelmed with where he is at. He needs to sit down with his wife and figure it out before they make even worse decisions.
He is exhausted, he is living with 3 brand new babies, wonder when the last time he slept thru the night.
no common law in calif since early 90’s
Why was the stream 5 hours late?
It clearly wasn't.
280,000 a year are you serious
That was excellent. And you're bald.😂
You are no Larry!
Dave was too hard on the first caller with the triplets and 4 older kids. People with triplets often have to hire a nanny or get massive family/church support. They will not come up for air for 2+ years. Plus 4 older kids, absolutely unimaginable.
That said, we all agree the 31K student loan should have been gone by now. But unfortunately none of us is perfect and they are in survival mode for a while.
Triplet infants is a different situation than a family with 7 kids.
And in Dave’s defense, after the break they did a better job revisiting to topic.
They only had 2 older kids. The total family size was 7. But like Dave said, this had been going on for 5 years and the triplets were only 6 months old.
They now have 7 kids minus the 3 (triplets) they already had 4 kids not 2.
Dave is a little out of touch with the flight training stuff. 31 is the age cutoff for the Air/Army National Guard. It takes years to get through flight training even in the reserves. You don't just go to "a couple boot camps a year". I do agree that the military is the most cost-effective way to do it. But Dave is all wrong with his advice here.
The Judge's monologue - all I heard was 'blah, blah, Back the Blue, blah'.
A refi add?!? Times must be tough at Ramsey solution’s too lol
Tammy...you owe your husband? You have the wrong mindset! Also you can't save for retirement because you just bought a new car that you can't afford!
I guess they don't consider themselves influencers.
When somebody calls their wife their partner I always have to wonder
Why?
@@erinwhitelaw6361 🤣 lol 🤡
Dave laid out how to get girls. Ima get me one.
First off, with the first comment of a family of seven who did you choose this life? Second off I disagree with the advice on living on beans and rice for your whole family. The solution is to raise your income and do things on the side to reserve money to fix your mistakes. Your whole family should not have to suffer for your mistakes.
Do you have a magic plan for working more with 7 kids, 3 of whom are infant triplets? Get real!
Sounds like the gal’s “mystery/don’t know why” had the heart attack at 37 two yrs ago, around the time of C and the shots, sounds like hmm maybe got one of those toxic things. MANY have had heart issues randomly after those. And many have died. Even top athletes! Wake up ppl. Wish they’d say the truth, golly. Sad she went through that 😢
Dave was harsh with first caller and should have given an Every Dollar app to first caller to help him out.He never been in his shoes and easy to say just “Pay off your student loan”when you have a bunch of kids that constant expense 🤦🏻♀️
Erections have consequences. If you cant afford kids, don't keep making babies. 😮
1:19:45 she has no rights. She isn’t his wife. There are only a few states that recognize common law marriages and California isn’t one. If her kids are adults, she won’t get child support. All in all she played herself.
I didn’t know Dave just hangs up on people (first guy). I just wanna see consistency out of him. Sometimes he’s very calm and gentle. Other times he just cuts people off and literally hangs up on them.
Yeah he does that occasionally when he’s given the caller the same advice 30 times and the caller keeps on asking if they should keep doing their own plan which has extraordinarily failed up til now. I wouldn’t waste my time on someone who would rather make excuses either. Too many people calling in who really want help.
He’s not actually hanging up on them, he’s muting them because his response is ending. They can still hear him talking, however.
I've seen him do it before.
8:02 "You're stepping over hundred dollar bills to pick up pennies". Current situation: I'm Dave-ish. I'm debt free and pay for things in cash and live below my means. However, I still have credit cards for the points (i.e. cashback on gas, something that I can't overspend on because I drive to work nonetheless). I just learned that when we pay with plastic we spend more because it doesn't activate the pain centers of our brain like cash does. Is this the equivalent of me stepping over dollar bills to pick up pennies?
They make a lot of blanket statements and generalizations on this show that are definitely not true for everyone. For example, I don't overspend just because I use CCs. I use my Sam's card for everything to do w/ my car - gas, tune-ups, repairs, etc. - and those are costs I would have regardless. Then I use the points from that card to get food for my church pantry. I put all the regular bills on my Visa which I pay off not at the end of the month, but as soon as a charge posts. I then turn those points into gift cards for family birthdays and Christmas. Again, those bills are not going to be any different if I used a debit card rather than a CC. But I'm very disciplined about money and would never pay more just because I'm using a CC.
@@Trustbutverify2651 That's awesome, thank you for sharing your experience!
57:07 at first glance, it sounded like Kyle in Des Moines got some bad advice from the Ramsey personalities two weeks ago to sell his car. But then he said he KBBd it AFTER calling in, so I doubt he or the personalities knew how far underwater he was with his car. If they had, I'd bet the personalities would have had the same advice as Dave (keep the car and pay it off). My advice to Kyle is birth control so he doesn't father any more children.
Oh, dear.😂 This took off in an unexpected direction.
@@BeeDee-qs9so well, you know me.😉😂😂
Dave is sh*t scared of Sharon 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Re-finance your house. Make a budget for yourself. There is a government program called "SAVE" to re-finance your student loans.
And it is a shitshow, like ALL government programs.
AVP 👽
Double ,-m sucided /. And it hurts 🤕 ,/ but sorry miss , that's not it ,
Wtf are you even talking about?
Dr Johnny boy just proved why he can’t Councel most people
And as usual among the dime a dozen of critics of the show, although I'm not trying to suck up to any of the hosts here to be honest, you did not mention any time stamps and or any details of a conversation among the color, Dave Ramsey and Dr deloney. So that's your comment just amounts to some dime a dozen idiot on the net just trying to shoot for attention
Stop having kids!
Midnightblue117 "poor folks shouldn't have kids. Only the economically advantaged!"
I dont understand people and kids and pets when you’re BROKE!!!
@@BuiltonGODSrock I don’t either!!!
Dave is the man. His teaching are life changing, but Dr. John is insufferable.
That’s all your dumb comments say, find something else more original. Dr. John has actually saved lives, and has more life changing content than you’ll ever have so beat that! Dr. John is amazing, you’re just some internet troll. 🙄
Oh and when I say save lives let me go ahead and clarify. Literally save them from dying by suicide, knows how to talk people off from jumping off a building, has done crisis response and trauma counseling with the police department and is trained on how to know when someone is on the edge. Matter of fact, just recently on his own show he saved a man’s life. You can watch that episode called No one knows I’m deeply depressed (April 2nd,2024) and watch Dr. John live in action. So when I say he saves lives I literally mean he saves lives!
Someone calls and mentions they live with their boyfriend? Yelled at by Dave, constantly interrupted, treated like they’re idiots…. Someone calls and says they bought a $50k car and makes tons of excuses? Spoken to softly and empathetically. 🙃
What is with all you people and the lack of will to post time stamps so that way anyone who wants to have any remote level of intelligent conversation with you can quickly reference the comparison conversations to which you're referring to and why you're stating the opinion you are stating? It's a 2-hour long show. It's not rocket science Post Time stamps. Yes I agree Ramsey Solutions should make timestamps on a per caller conversation basis but they haven't done it yet they probably aren't going to who knows
@@motoryzen perhaps we aren’t engaging in an argument, just sharing a thought? And no one owes you effort when sharing a thought? You’re having an irrationally big reaction to a TH-cam comment 😅
It’s almost every time someone says they live with a person they aren’t married to. A woman called who was asking how to split bills with her boyfriend when she owns the house but he lives in it. That was a day or 2 before this video. The woman saying she bought a car for $50k was this one. I’ll find the timestamp if I get a free moment, but it’s really not that serious 😂
@@emalienoel7891 okay so extra details do help I do recall the first part of your comment and that story. Now on a more neutral standpoint, you don't truly know someone until you live with him or her. And have seen his or her daily good and bad habits to be informed enough to make a solid enough life-changing decision like whether or not you want to marry him or her and whether or not it makes sense. This is what Boomer day refuses to get that is so important this day and age. Besides the fact that there are some idiot Simpsons around and there are plenty of whores around too. It is for this reason alone that it is very important to live with a person period for a reasonable amount of time before jumping rashly into the decision of marrying them
@@emalienoel7891 no one owes you effort when you're sharing a thought ". Okay then what's the point of posting the damn comment then? If not to invite any form of conversation? Or are you just talking just to hear or see yourself talk?
Jesus..yall need some critical thinking skills