That's the stuff. I can't fit a cockpit or a wheel stand, but I reeeealllly wanna upgrade from my G29. If the 5 nm won't brake your table, i'll buy it :)
I just got a CSL DD Pro, and I have a DD1. I had to see the difference. MIND BLOWN. The CSL DD with boost kit is insane. It really does feel like 10-12nM. I compared this on my DD1, and in the end… I put my DD1 up for sale the same day I got my CSL DD pro. I definitely know you feel a little more detail in FFB over DD1, but more importantly its more intense at comparable levels. I can’t say its 10-12nM, but it feels like it… its strong as hell. DD1 is not necessary. CSL DD with boost kit is all you need. Enjoy your life.
I already recieved the McLaren GT3 wheel & CSL pedals. Preordered back in June in wave 1. Just waiting on the base & boost kit now. Order info shows delivery by the first week of September. So only a couple more weeks to go. I can't wait! As always love the content Jard! Keep up the hard work mate 👊
14:00 quick maths: 20 nm at 60% and 35% is 4,2. 8 nm at 80% and 70% is 4,48. so yeah, about the same. so why would anyone now get a 1200€ DD1, when they can get a CSL DD for a third of the cost
Pre-ordered this with boost kit (as its the only way I'll ever own a DD due to price). Can't wait until October for it to arrive (according to the order details anyway). Major step up for me as I have a TMX at the moment.
ive hurt my hands on my csw 2.5 during crashes and such, dont really understand why people insist on higher than 8 nm for home use. You really can hurt yourself and it shouldnt be considered a toy
Having a TMX at the moment too. Or well had one until I sold it a few days ago. I think I’ll preorder the CSL DD in a few days too. also with the Boost kit and a GT3 R wheel which is going to be a bit expensive but I think a major step up.
Great video, already know i'm getting a CSL DD as soon as it was revealed, glad to watch you actually using the thing and having it meet all of my own expectations, i just need to use it myself now :)
Very enthusiastic review Jardier 👍 Mine has finally shipped so should see this it in a week or so. Upgrading from G25 after 16 years! Very impressive Logitech! Can’t wait to get my hands on this.
@Jardier I’m an older guy and only recently got into sim racing on ACC. Already I can see that my g923 is holding me back a bit. With two daughters a lot of my cash seems to vanish into thin air, so if I want to upgrade I need to make sure I have a target $$$ amount which I need to put a little money away each paycheck to make sure I buy the right thing first time. Jardier, this review and the one about the Mclaren wheel, help me immensely, so thank you. Once I have saved up I’ll use your link to buy the CSL DD Mclaren v2 Elite Bundle 8nm. This one seems like the perfect fit for me. thanks again for your review.
I’ve got one. Tried the 5nm and it was similar to the csl elite. Plugged in the boost kit.. JEEEZZUSSS. Jards is not even exaggerating. It was the same for me!!! Wow!!!
Thank you for the review Jardier, This will be my next upgrade in the future and will got the 8Nm boost kit. With my chest that comes apart still like it does, There is No use getting a DD1. There is No way I could handle That kind of power so this will be perfect for me.
Great review sir! I went and impulsively bought the Thrustmaster load cells pedals yesterday instead of saving some more for a full Fanatec set. Your review definitely let me drooling in anguish haha
Seems like a great product for the money, the best entry level direct drive available I think . I have the dd1 too but direct drive for that cost don’t think any others can match 👍
I like your reviews, because even if you are affiliated with Fanatec the videos feel honest. It's great to have a review with all the techincal details, but it is even better to get one that feels honest and well from a normal user. Keep it up this way!!!
Just got an e-mail by Fanatec: "Dear Customer, We have some great news! Your CSL DD pre-order is shipping soon, earlier than originally planned. You should see your tracking number in the ‘Orders’ section of your account once it is processed." I am hyped...🤩
When I had a Thrustmaster T-150, I couldn't believe how fast you could take turns, because I'd skid off the track at those speeds. But once I got the CSL DD with 8nm boost, I could actually feel all the undulations in the road, and the FFB throwing the wheel back and forth somehow allows me to take turns faster! So in my case, upgrading the wheel made more difference in lap times than the CSL Elite V2 pedals I also got. Because the T-150 just has really weak and bad FFB.
Thank you Jardier , right now I'm at the bottom of the barrel with the T150 but I just ordered everything , the CSL DD with booster pack , CSL Elite pedals , CSL Elite McLaren steering wheel , table clamp and quick release adapter. I sim race in VR , I'll be doing a live unboxing and testing on my channel and I'll gladly let you know what I think although I don't think I'll be disappointed given what I'm currently working with 💪💪💪
But that absolutely makes sense if you say you're using 35% force feedback on your DD1, you are using a little bit more than a third of the power, which then is 7nm of torque. The CSL DD with Boost Kit on 80% FF however produces 6,4 Nm of torque, which is similar enough to make it feel "the same"
Thank you for your impressions :) I can't wait for my CLS DD, but you said in the 24h stream there was an update released and you can nearly make a new review. Is it because of the "emptiness"? Thx in advance and keep on pushing :D
I was just thinking about it and will check it tomorrow and do one more review together with pedals and table clamp, But also I forgot to mention that I come from using DD1 so my point of view might be a little blurry compare to others :)
@@Jardier just like driving a 600 ps car and go back to 200 :) For me it's a big upgrade and also ordered the V3 pedals, so might be a whole new level of feeling the car for me :D
I think the reason why the 5NM felt empty in the middle is because of your settings. The dynamic range for the 8NM is higher so that the middle are was stronger even though you dialed it back a bit. If you played with the setting I bet you could get the 5NM to feel pretty close to the 8NM. It’s like listening to music at 6 and then turning it up to 11. The quieter sound level loses a little bit of nuance that you can hear when it is cranked up to 11.
Thanks for the review, @jardier! I am in the process of getting into sim racing. I just bought the McLaren GT3 V2 rim, and I'm saving up now for the CSL DD (5NM for the beginning). This is very encouraging since I already committed $200. If you're talking about Fanatec bringing DD to the "entry level"-market, you're talking about people like me. Only once Fanatec announced the release of the CSL DD I considered ditching my Xbox controller. See you all on track..... eventually. 😅
Love your videos! As a new sim racer, I'm so excited to receive my CSL DD. I am happy that I have the option to get the 5nm or the 8nm. I opted to the get the 5nm just for the price point and as a feel the need to upgrade, I'll consider the boost kit or perhaps something stronger!
Literally my absokute favorite wheelbase on the market perfect 8nm feels more like 10nm tbh the detail is amazing imo I felt more form it then the ds1 outrunner motor. I've always rpeffered servo motors. It's also smoother then the dd1. I am going to get the cal dd as my main yes that's right over my dd1. I can't help it I fell in love with it when using it. Not to mention the form factor. It felt slightly more responsive I'm guessing due to the size and the fact it has the first ever carbon fiber shaft on a dd wheel. It also seems a bit quicker because of that and it's size crazy right? Some may not admit it. A fee have tho yes youtubers. I mean its a beast and for it ro be this good off rhe bat. Without drivers down the road is insane. Think about how long it took for them to get the dd1 and dd2 to the level its at now. The csl dd comes out the gate that good. That says alot imo. Yes the smoothness is noticeable there isn't a single notch or grain in it like the dd1 has. It actually feels as smooth as the semicube. Imo 8nm is plenty when you feel the 8nm on this base you may be surprised. It felt like more and I have no idea why. Literally 80 percent of the people who have reviewed it already using the boost kit actually turn it down a little bit. Let's hope fanatec doesn't downgrade it through the drivers as people will like this more then the dd1 and I'm worried they will rig it to where it isn't as good due to sales. I really hope that isn't the case lol. Did yoy hear him he's like this is my wheel now haha. Think about it nobody had this reaction with the dd1 ans dd2 right at release. Also think about what he said he didn't use it at full power yet said its the ssme power at the 80 percmet in game then 70 on the wheel as his settings on his dd1 yet wanted to bring up the power when he said himself he doesn't use more. Think about that. The only person to say it was lacking. Believe me guys thw dd1 doesn't feel better I own one. I have a buddy he's a content creator I won't name who. But it felt better then my dd1. Don't listen to people sponsored by fanatec. Of course rhwy want to damage control they don't want a 500 dollar base to be as good. I told yall this would happen I promise you it isn't worse it's as good as the dd1 for me I enjoyed it more. The servo kotor is smoother. It has just as much detail. It's slightly more responsive and it's a bit quicker. Those outrunner motors arent. Even fanatec admitted this. The outrunner was for pure power. Did you notice his reaction the first 7 days and just so amazed and just was even like oh this is my new wheel. Then he ahd to come back and then damage control what he said. And then say dd1 is better he didn't say that the 7 days he used the csl dd.
Jardier - to get the maximum amount of detail and responsiveness you should always keep the wheel at 100% force feedback, and only adjust the gain in game. Loved the video otherwise as always!
I always find it hard to choose which to reduce. The wheel takes info from the game. So aren't you better having 100% of everything from the game and then fine tuning the settings on the wheel? As that means you're getting all the info and can then adjust as you like. If you reduce the game, you're taking away info from the wheel, no?
@@Sweaty__Sheep if you read the fanatec settings for acc, it’s written 100% fbb setting in fanalab and then you can reduce in game. I have csw 2.5 waiting for csl dd
Hey, nice review. I just got CSL dd 8nm and I am thrilled to finally join sim racing community :) Question, why do you have in FFB settings set everything to 0% except gain?
I'll have to stick with my Logitech kit. I'm the slowest driver on the track so I have plenty of room for improvement before I consider upgrading hardware. I like your enthusiasm.
I really wonder is it really worth to upgrade to this with 8nm from csl Elite.. its still quite a lot of money and i dont know if i will feel that much difference
Yeah no screws come with wheel. They may have come with your cockpit and if not they are readily available from any hardware store. Just check the sizes which will be in the instructions with the wheel.
Hi Jaroslav. I’m playing on thrustmaster tmx and I want to update but I can’t because I don’t have money for it. Even csl dd for me is too much, which wheel I must buy in that case? I think that I’m pretty fast even when I’m on tmx. My mount panorama time is 2.00.7 but I want to improve. Can you give me some tips for updating?
Hello .. but what other differences compared to the "force" can bring the podium to the table ? im thinking about to buy csl or podium ...but im never a fan of strong ff . on the other side i would pay the extra euros to really get every detail , but if its just about the force i will be super happy with the booster kit and the csl ... any suggestions ?
Oh yeah. I was off for last couple months as my csl elite is worn beyond functionality. In theory i could fix it but i would need a completely new chassis and since it has some 5000 hours on clock i decided to make myself a break and i am doing car build That price is amazing
i can give you a tip for installing quicker @Jardier, if you put the screws through the wholes first with the T-nut and leave them loose then slide the CSL DD on it would of been much easier for you :)
I have been sim racing for 2 1/2 years and have a G29. I will upgrade to the CSL DD at some point in 2022. It seems like your only negative is the 8nm compared to the 20nm of your DD1 but you said your settings are so low with the DD1 since it is so strong. You are obviously not taking full advantage of the 20nm because it is so strong, correct? So my understanding would be why bother getting a DD1 for $1,200 if you have are not fully taking advantage of the full settings since they are just too strong. Sounds like I will be completely happy with the 8nm at less than half the price because I would never spend $1,200 on just a wheel base.
It sounds like you have to fight your 8nm wheel in the beginning of testing. I never have to do that with mine. I knew that something was up. Is there any way to chewck how strong my wheel actually is now? I have the feeling that its not full 8nm
Great demo jardier got this bad boy on order 8nm one never owned fanatec gear before but getting also the formula v2 rim red version for xbox the new csl pedals along with the paddle module to go on the back :D Moving up from 920 had it about 2 years now so due for an upgrade can i just ask does the formula v2 rim come with the original quick release system or will i have to purchase that separately or wait for the new one thats coming out ?
I ordered the formula v2.5x for xbox and the qr1 is included, you just have to watch the wheel you ordered on fanatec Website of you scroll down there is liste what is included
Thanks for the detailed review and comparison. Simple question, why is the CSL DD so close to the CSW and not closer to the DD1, while you said yourself, it's your DD1 with a lower torque ?
I think it’s about the Sample group during Pre Production. 5-8 Probably felt best in testing!! Not to mention they will probably introduce a Mid/CSW DD at some point with 10-15 with optional Boost. Just a thoughtful but does make some sense. This is the CSL Line.
really good review. i have t150 wheel and i think the price of the DD looks good for the upgrade. i think i will only have the 5nm as i dont have a rig but would be better than my T150.
I just de-mounted my 150 after moving up to a 300.. that was a night and day difference.. if you go from the 150 to a CSL DD, you're going to have to change your pants. I hope you can make the upgrade soon!!
Jardier! What setting did you use in settings? You say that you use 100% and 80%. But what others settings you like? Drift, damping… Thanks Jardier! Big Fan from Brazil! Thank you for what you do to virtual race!
I love the review thank you. I currently have a thrustmaster t150 and I want to upgrade to a direct drive wheel. Will getting a dd1/dd2 or other higher end wheels get you faster lap times? Assuming you have the skill.
No, the only thing getting a better FFB wheel with cleaner outputs will get you is consistency. Times will remain the same, but those random laps where you spin cause you didn’t feel or see anything different you just washed out. That’s where it will help, these will give you more FFB input to detect that more or sooner than with low end wheels that don’t communicate that to you before it’s too late. So faster lap times? No. More consistent and more fast laps. Yes.
If you sim race a lot, then upgrade to CSL DD if you can comfortably afford it. DD is way better than gear driven wheels. If you sim race occasionally, probably not worth it then. (This is the perspective of a G29 user)
If you have the money it would be a huge upgrade. Keep in mind that fanatec is just as plug and play as thrustmaster/logitech. In my opinion they offer way better stuff tho but of course at a premium. They had some reliability issues but as far as i am concerened they got over that. My clubsport pedals V1 had all sort of problems bought the V3s used and they are still going strong for like 3 years?? im not sure but never had any problems anymore. Currently on V3/t300rs combo but looking to buy the csl DD. So yes it would be a nice upgrade but if you dont have that much money maybe look into buying some good loadcell pedals first as that is much more important for feel, immersion and laptime. Keep in mind that you immediately want a better wheel afterwards 😂.
@Jardier So I plan on upgrading my wheel (currently a Thrustmaster TMX) soon. If you had the option of getting a CSL DD in two months or waiting a bit longer and getting a DD1 in six months which would you choose?
Ordered mine and I'm looking forward to receive it. I purchased it with the regular 5nm. Will I notice a lot of difference between the 5nm and my current TS-PC? I mean if they are similar in terms of force I may keep the 5nm, as I feel the TS-PC is ok for me (I'm a little old).
It will be a world of difference since the CSL DD is a servo motor. Fanatec effectively killed the market for every thrustermaster wheel base that is above the T300/TX range.
Great video Jardier! I think I am going to get this one. Have a question about ACC though. Your graphics look so clean, can I find your settings somewhere? As mine looks pretty blurry
Very nice video! Congrats! I wish I could buy one of these CSL DD, but here in Brazil you can buy a real car for the price of one of these 😪😪 anyway, very nice product Fanatec will crush TM and Logitech, let’s see for how long they will keep this “affordable” prices!
In next video I will check CSL DD and New CSL Pedals and try to find difference between 5nm and 8nm while using CSL DD on TABLE! :)
looks awesome. just wandering. whats your monitor?
That's the stuff. I can't fit a cockpit or a wheel stand, but I reeeealllly wanna upgrade from my G29. If the 5 nm won't brake your table, i'll buy it :)
@@Kropikovo if u have ikea table, it will break 5 or 8nm is the same 😀
@@brutto7943 Nah, i'm ok, my table is the cheaper knock off of Ikea, that is forced to save costs by using real wood. :)
@@f1_will304 Benq EX3415R:)
The noises made by jardier when leaving the pits with 8NM made watching this video worth it
Hahahah thank you :D I was shocked :D
I'm scared to go near the CSL now, will have to hit the gym for a couple of years first. I can't afford to lose my arms. :O
I just got a CSL DD Pro, and I have a DD1. I had to see the difference. MIND BLOWN. The CSL DD with boost kit is insane. It really does feel like 10-12nM. I compared this on my DD1, and in the end… I put my DD1 up for sale the same day I got my CSL DD pro. I definitely know you feel a little more detail in FFB over DD1, but more importantly its more intense at comparable levels. I can’t say its 10-12nM, but it feels like it… its strong as hell. DD1 is not necessary. CSL DD with boost kit is all you need. Enjoy your life.
Awesome how enthusiast grade tech is getting cheaper and more accessible to more bedroom racers :)
You are such a great dude! Really nice for the whole simracing community to have such a positive figure
Thank you Dan :)
I already recieved the McLaren GT3 wheel & CSL pedals. Preordered back in June in wave 1. Just waiting on the base & boost kit now. Order info shows delivery by the first week of September. So only a couple more weeks to go. I can't wait! As always love the content Jard! Keep up the hard work mate 👊
14:00
quick maths:
20 nm at 60% and 35% is 4,2.
8 nm at 80% and 70% is 4,48.
so yeah, about the same.
so why would anyone now get a 1200€ DD1, when they can get a CSL DD for a third of the cost
Pre-ordered this with boost kit (as its the only way I'll ever own a DD due to price). Can't wait until October for it to arrive (according to the order details anyway). Major step up for me as I have a TMX at the moment.
Don’t fell bad about it, this looks brilliant. He had to turn down the power settings on the 8nm Psu.
same, preordered, with boost kit, will be here in Oct.. upgrading from at t300
ive hurt my hands on my csw 2.5 during crashes and such, dont really understand why people insist on higher than 8 nm for home use. You really can hurt yourself and it shouldnt be considered a toy
Having a TMX at the moment too. Or well had one until I sold it a few days ago.
I think I’ll preorder the CSL DD in a few days too. also with the Boost kit and a GT3 R wheel which is going to be a bit expensive but I think a major step up.
I went from a TMX to csl elite and I will likely uppgrade to the CSL DD. Hope you like it
Great video, already know i'm getting a CSL DD as soon as it was revealed, glad to watch you actually using the thing and having it meet all of my own expectations, i just need to use it myself now :)
My current wheel, Logitech G27, is only 2.3 NM so this would be a massive upgrade for me. Great vid as always Jardier.
This WILL be a game changer... so many do not have the money to get a DD1 but want DD. I have preordered mine and I look so much forward to it.
yeah!
Thanks for the review Jardier! Can't wait to have it, after almost 10 years with my old G27 :))
I have too a G27, so excited for the Fanatec
Lets go mate!!!! G27 is still legend tho!
Very enthusiastic review Jardier 👍 Mine has finally shipped so should see this it in a week or so. Upgrading from G25 after 16 years! Very impressive Logitech! Can’t wait to get my hands on this.
Your energy is 🔥. Love it man
@Jardier I’m an older guy and only recently got into sim racing on ACC. Already I can see that my g923 is holding me back a bit. With two daughters a lot of my cash seems to vanish into thin air, so if I want to upgrade I need to make sure I have a target $$$ amount which I need to put a little money away each paycheck to make sure I buy the right thing first time. Jardier, this review and the one about the Mclaren wheel, help me immensely, so thank you. Once I have saved up I’ll use your link to buy the CSL DD Mclaren v2 Elite Bundle 8nm. This one seems like the perfect fit for me. thanks again for your review.
thanks a lot for the video. you made me very excited. now i can‘t wait anymore until my csl dd gets delivered 😏
I’ve got one. Tried the 5nm and it was similar to the csl elite. Plugged in the boost kit.. JEEEZZUSSS. Jards is not even exaggerating. It was the same for me!!! Wow!!!
Thank you for the review Jardier, This will be my next upgrade in the future and will got the 8Nm boost kit. With my chest that comes apart still like it does, There is No use getting a DD1. There is No way I could handle That kind of power so this will be perfect for me.
Exactly Stubby! Thank you :)
Awesome video! Come on September! Hurry up !
Thank you for being honest with your info and review.
You gained a sub I can trust you will say it how it is.
Thank you J :)
the quality of your review video bro is toooo good. great content brother
What a great review. I love your excitement. Hero 😎
One of the best reviews i've seen. If I hadn't already ordered one, I'd buy it! :)
Great review sir! I went and impulsively bought the Thrustmaster load cells pedals yesterday instead of saving some more for a full Fanatec set. Your review definitely let me drooling in anguish haha
hahaahah
The amazing thing about this that the boost kit you can buy aftermarket for like MAX 30$ and it works perfectly.
Always use 100% FF on the base and just change the ingame ff to prevent clipping: )
U sure? I use in ( f1 games) 100 or higher ff ingame. And lower ff on base
Base should always be at 100, in game you change to your preference
Seems like a great product for the money, the best entry level direct drive available I think . I have the dd1 too but direct drive for that cost don’t think any others can match 👍
I like your reviews, because even if you are affiliated with Fanatec the videos feel honest. It's great to have a review with all the techincal details, but it is even better to get one that feels honest and well from a normal user. Keep it up this way!!!
Thank you :)
I was already convinced on getting this, After seeing this im going to
Just got an e-mail by Fanatec:
"Dear Customer,
We have some great news! Your CSL DD pre-order is shipping soon, earlier than originally planned.
You should see your tracking number in the ‘Orders’ section of your account once it is processed."
I am hyped...🤩
Yesssss!!!!!!
When I had a Thrustmaster T-150, I couldn't believe how fast you could take turns, because I'd skid off the track at those speeds. But once I got the CSL DD with 8nm boost, I could actually feel all the undulations in the road, and the FFB throwing the wheel back and forth somehow allows me to take turns faster! So in my case, upgrading the wheel made more difference in lap times than the CSL Elite V2 pedals I also got. Because the T-150 just has really weak and bad FFB.
Flawless cut on that F bomb. My virgin ears weren't ready to hear that lol
Thank you Jardier , right now I'm at the bottom of the barrel with the T150 but I just ordered everything , the CSL DD with booster pack , CSL Elite pedals , CSL Elite McLaren steering wheel , table clamp and quick release adapter. I sim race in VR , I'll be doing a live unboxing and testing on my channel and I'll gladly let you know what I think although I don't think I'll be disappointed given what I'm currently working with 💪💪💪
Awesome Review, thanks!!!!
It’s all well and good having 20nm, but what’s the point if you have to turn down the power of the 8nm? Do you ever play your dd1 on hulk mode?
Best review ever buddy!! You made my day!! Mine comes in Sept. with the boost kit!! Going from logitech to this should be pretty cool!!
Dear Eric xxxxxxx,
thank you for your order at Fanatec
😍😍😍
@@Jardier
With your reflink, of course : )
Thanks for this review. Awesome video, mate....love your enthusiasm! Sucks that no PS5 version is out there, so I'm still waiting.
But that absolutely makes sense if you say you're using 35% force feedback on your DD1, you are using a little bit more than a third of the power, which then is 7nm of torque.
The CSL DD with Boost Kit on 80% FF however produces 6,4 Nm of torque, which is similar enough to make it feel "the same"
totally :)
Thank you for your impressions :)
I can't wait for my CLS DD, but you said in the 24h stream there was an update released and you can nearly make a new review. Is it because of the "emptiness"?
Thx in advance and keep on pushing :D
I was just thinking about it and will check it tomorrow and do one more review together with pedals and table clamp, But also I forgot to mention that I come from using DD1 so my point of view might be a little blurry compare to others :)
@@Jardier just like driving a 600 ps car and go back to 200 :)
For me it's a big upgrade and also ordered the V3 pedals, so might be a whole new level of feeling the car for me :D
This has DEFINITELY reassured me that this will most likely be the last wheel base I ever buy!!.
What are the advantages of a 28Nm DD wheel over an 8 Nm one if you are only using about 5nm when turning the car?
I think the reason why the 5NM felt empty in the middle is because of your settings. The dynamic range for the 8NM is higher so that the middle are was stronger even though you dialed it back a bit. If you played with the setting I bet you could get the 5NM to feel pretty close to the 8NM. It’s like listening to music at 6 and then turning it up to 11. The quieter sound level loses a little bit of nuance that you can hear when it is cranked up to 11.
lets go jardier! cant wait to get my hands on this hehe been saving for fantec for a year or so
By "empty," do you mean it has a center dead-zone, like the Logitech G-wheels have?
Well... Had a baby in January and I had zero time to simrace since then. As soon as I can grasp some minutes for myself... I'm getting one of these.
Thanks for the review, @jardier! I am in the process of getting into sim racing. I just bought the McLaren GT3 V2 rim, and I'm saving up now for the CSL DD (5NM for the beginning). This is very encouraging since I already committed $200. If you're talking about Fanatec bringing DD to the "entry level"-market, you're talking about people like me. Only once Fanatec announced the release of the CSL DD I considered ditching my Xbox controller. See you all on track..... eventually. 😅
Love your videos! As a new sim racer, I'm so excited to receive my CSL DD. I am happy that I have the option to get the 5nm or the 8nm. I opted to the get the 5nm just for the price point and as a feel the need to upgrade, I'll consider the boost kit or perhaps something stronger!
Thank you :)
Literally my absokute favorite wheelbase on the market perfect 8nm feels more like 10nm tbh the detail is amazing imo I felt more form it then the ds1 outrunner motor. I've always rpeffered servo motors. It's also smoother then the dd1. I am going to get the cal dd as my main yes that's right over my dd1. I can't help it I fell in love with it when using it. Not to mention the form factor. It felt slightly more responsive I'm guessing due to the size and the fact it has the first ever carbon fiber shaft on a dd wheel. It also seems a bit quicker because of that and it's size crazy right? Some may not admit it. A fee have tho yes youtubers. I mean its a beast and for it ro be this good off rhe bat. Without drivers down the road is insane. Think about how long it took for them to get the dd1 and dd2 to the level its at now. The csl dd comes out the gate that good. That says alot imo. Yes the smoothness is noticeable there isn't a single notch or grain in it like the dd1 has. It actually feels as smooth as the semicube. Imo 8nm is plenty when you feel the 8nm on this base you may be surprised. It felt like more and I have no idea why. Literally 80 percent of the people who have reviewed it already using the boost kit actually turn it down a little bit. Let's hope fanatec doesn't downgrade it through the drivers as people will like this more then the dd1 and I'm worried they will rig it to where it isn't as good due to sales. I really hope that isn't the case lol. Did yoy hear him he's like this is my wheel now haha. Think about it nobody had this reaction with the dd1 ans dd2 right at release. Also think about what he said he didn't use it at full power yet said its the ssme power at the 80 percmet in game then 70 on the wheel as his settings on his dd1 yet wanted to bring up the power when he said himself he doesn't use more. Think about that. The only person to say it was lacking. Believe me guys thw dd1 doesn't feel better I own one. I have a buddy he's a content creator I won't name who. But it felt better then my dd1. Don't listen to people sponsored by fanatec. Of course rhwy want to damage control they don't want a 500 dollar base to be as good. I told yall this would happen I promise you it isn't worse it's as good as the dd1 for me I enjoyed it more. The servo kotor is smoother. It has just as much detail. It's slightly more responsive and it's a bit quicker. Those outrunner motors arent. Even fanatec admitted this. The outrunner was for pure power. Did you notice his reaction the first 7 days and just so amazed and just was even like oh this is my new wheel. Then he ahd to come back and then damage control what he said. And then say dd1 is better he didn't say that the 7 days he used the csl dd.
Just to be fair, when he said "this is my wheel"...he meant it felt the same...not that he replaces it. I'm pumped though, mine is coming in november.
Ordered the CSL DD including the booster kit. Can’t wait until January 😍 upgrade from T300 so really curious how epic this is going to be.
Hey how do you like it so far? I've ordered mine in February, waiting for it to be delivered somewhere in April. I can't wait!
@@UniQue1992 it is amazing! Still love it!
Really wanne see you put the 8nm on the table with the clamp
Will do one more video with comparsion :)
Very interested in getting one, just have to get busy to build a DIY setup and lets go!
Dude! You’re looking great!! Looks like you’ve been putting in some work on the bod🍻🍻 keep it up buddy. Health is everything as you get older. 🌅🌅
thank you :)
well... If you use 20nm DD1 on 33% it's ~7nm.. so it makes sense that CSL DD 5-8nm feels the same
Its worthy the CSL DD 👌
Jardier - to get the maximum amount of detail and responsiveness you should always keep the wheel at 100% force feedback, and only adjust the gain in game. Loved the video otherwise as always!
I always find it hard to choose which to reduce. The wheel takes info from the game. So aren't you better having 100% of everything from the game and then fine tuning the settings on the wheel? As that means you're getting all the info and can then adjust as you like.
If you reduce the game, you're taking away info from the wheel, no?
@@Sweaty__Sheep if you read the fanatec settings for acc, it’s written 100% fbb setting in fanalab and then you can reduce in game. I have csw 2.5 waiting for csl dd
@@brutto7943 As other DD brands also.
Profile 100%
In game Variable
@@FreakCanal duly noted
That rock song made me preorder this.
But if you increase the minimum force from zero to 5 or 6% maybe that empty force at the inicial turn dessapear...?
yeah probably will go try!
Hey, nice review. I just got CSL dd 8nm and I am thrilled to finally join sim racing community :)
Question, why do you have in FFB settings set everything to 0% except gain?
I have the T150, and looking at 23:45 I feel blessed to have this upgrade flexibility
I'll have to stick with my Logitech kit. I'm the slowest driver on the track so I have plenty of room for improvement before I consider upgrading hardware. I like your enthusiasm.
Love the intro 😂😎🤜🤛🤙
I really wonder is it really worth to upgrade to this with 8nm from csl Elite.. its still quite a lot of money and i dont know if i will feel that much difference
If you doubt dont do it and save even more and get dd1 :)
1:59 😂🙌💯 if it fits, it sits.
xDDD
What screws are needed? I have a GT Omega ART cockpit and getting a CSL DD. Do they come with the Fanatec or with the cockpit?
I think cockpit has them, Im using same screws for past like 4 years :D
Yeah no screws come with wheel. They may have come with your cockpit and if not they are readily available from any hardware store. Just check the sizes which will be in the instructions with the wheel.
Hi Jaroslav. I’m playing on thrustmaster tmx and I want to update but I can’t because I don’t have money for it. Even csl dd for me is too much, which wheel I must buy in that case? I think that I’m pretty fast even when I’m on tmx. My mount panorama time is 2.00.7 but I want to improve. Can you give me some tips for updating?
It seems like Fanatec actually read my comment from your "CSL DD Reaction" video 😁
Hello .. but what other differences compared to the "force" can bring the podium to the table ? im thinking about to buy csl or podium ...but im never a fan of strong ff . on the other side i would pay the extra euros to really get every detail , but if its just about the force i will be super happy with the booster kit and the csl ... any suggestions ?
I prefer this kind of amateur sounding review, natural and honest.
Thank you :)
Oh yeah.
I was off for last couple months as my csl elite is worn beyond functionality.
In theory i could fix it but i would need a completely new chassis and since it has some 5000 hours on clock i decided to make myself a break and i am doing car build
That price is amazing
Im sad I bought the CSL elite 9 months ago... This looks so much better
Don't be, you allready have the wheel and pedals, less of a gap to upgrade, plus, CSL still sell nice on aftermarket.
i can give you a tip for installing quicker @Jardier, if you put the screws through the wholes first with the T-nut and leave them loose then slide the CSL DD on it would of been much easier for you :)
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey :D
what settings do you use in fanalabs?
Cant wait for the PS version, I need this...
Sadly, it’ll cost more due to Sony silly license. Wish that wasn’t an issue.
@@imJGott now with the partnership that they have with GT maybe not.
@@Dummies05
If history taught me anything I doubt it. The DD1 for Xbox is $150 cheap than the ps version. But who knows, we can hope for the best.
@@imJGott well anything wont cost like the DD PS4 and thats good enough
Will be interesting to see. I'm hoping they do some wheel and pedal packages for PS5
I have been sim racing for 2 1/2 years and have a G29. I will upgrade to the CSL DD at some point in 2022. It seems like your only negative is the 8nm compared to the 20nm of your DD1 but you said your settings are so low with the DD1 since it is so strong. You are obviously not taking full advantage of the 20nm because it is so strong, correct? So my understanding would be why bother getting a DD1 for $1,200 if you have are not fully taking advantage of the full settings since they are just too strong. Sounds like I will be completely happy with the 8nm at less than half the price because I would never spend $1,200 on just a wheel base.
It sounds like you have to fight your 8nm wheel in the beginning of testing. I never have to do that with mine. I knew that something was up. Is there any way to chewck how strong my wheel actually is now? I have the feeling that its not full 8nm
Great demo jardier got this bad boy on order 8nm one never owned fanatec gear before but getting also the formula v2 rim red version for xbox the new csl pedals along with the paddle module to go on the back :D Moving up from 920 had it about 2 years now so due for an upgrade can i just ask does the formula v2 rim come with the original quick release system or will i have to purchase that separately or wait for the new one thats coming out ?
I ordered the formula v2.5x for xbox and the qr1 is included, you just have to watch the wheel you ordered on fanatec Website of you scroll down there is liste what is included
@@_NeverLate_ ok thats good to know then thanks for clearing that up 🙏👍
Thanks for the detailed review and comparison.
Simple question, why is the CSL DD so close to the CSW and not closer to the DD1, while you said yourself, it's your DD1 with a lower torque ?
I think it’s about the Sample group during Pre Production. 5-8 Probably felt best in testing!! Not to mention they will probably introduce a Mid/CSW DD at some point with 10-15 with optional Boost. Just a thoughtful but does make some sense. This is the CSL Line.
This was a brilliant review, I've had a dissapointing experience with Thrustmaster and for the price this offers fantastic performance for the price
Hi where do u think the t248 come in ur upgrade path
really good review. i have t150 wheel and i think the price of the DD looks good for the upgrade. i think i will only have the 5nm as i dont have a rig but would be better than my T150.
I just de-mounted my 150 after moving up to a 300.. that was a night and day difference.. if you go from the 150 to a CSL DD, you're going to have to change your pants. I hope you can make the upgrade soon!!
Jardier! What setting did you use in settings? You say that you use 100% and 80%. But what others settings you like? Drift, damping… Thanks Jardier! Big Fan from Brazil! Thank you for what you do to virtual race!
finaly!!!
Thanks for your review. Do you know why the load cell pedal for the csl pedals is not yet available?
No idea :(
I love the review thank you. I currently have a thrustmaster t150 and I want to upgrade to a direct drive wheel. Will getting a dd1/dd2 or other higher end wheels get you faster lap times? Assuming you have the skill.
No, the only thing getting a better FFB wheel with cleaner outputs will get you is consistency. Times will remain the same, but those random laps where you spin cause you didn’t feel or see anything different you just washed out. That’s where it will help, these will give you more FFB input to detect that more or sooner than with low end wheels that don’t communicate that to you before it’s too late.
So faster lap times? No. More consistent and more fast laps. Yes.
Hanging for the ps4/5 version to drop. Gunna be a huge step up from a g29.
I am a Fanatec virgin and only ever used a g920 would you recommend the CSL DD as a upgrade bearing in mind I would need to buy wheel and peddles etc.
If you sim race a lot, then upgrade to CSL DD if you can comfortably afford it. DD is way better than gear driven wheels. If you sim race occasionally, probably not worth it then. (This is the perspective of a G29 user)
If you have the money it would be a huge upgrade. Keep in mind that fanatec is just as plug and play as thrustmaster/logitech. In my opinion they offer way better stuff tho but of course at a premium. They had some reliability issues but as far as i am concerened they got over that. My clubsport pedals V1 had all sort of problems bought the V3s used and they are still going strong for like 3 years?? im not sure but never had any problems anymore. Currently on V3/t300rs combo but looking to buy the csl DD. So yes it would be a nice upgrade but if you dont have that much money maybe look into buying some good loadcell pedals first as that is much more important for feel, immersion and laptime. Keep in mind that you immediately want a better wheel afterwards 😂.
Hello, fellow jardiers
@Jardier So I plan on upgrading my wheel (currently a Thrustmaster TMX) soon. If you had the option of getting a CSL DD in two months or waiting a bit longer and getting a DD1 in six months which would you choose?
Mate this is really hard because you need to do what you want to do💪👊 With knowing what can do what I would wait for dd1 ❤️
@@Jardier Ok, thanks for your input. I just wanted to get the opinion from someone who has used both! Love the channel keep it up!
no dynamic damping?
10:31 is what sold me on the 8nm 🤣
Hello Jardier. What monitor is this you are using? Looks like a 32UW?
So glad Jardier is getting the attention he deserves! Rock on brother.
Btw, were you using the CSL DD during your 24hour SPA @_@?
nono not 24H Spa but all races before :)
Even though I'm 90% a PC sim racer I'm going to wait for the PS4/5 version. Maybe a little Christmas present to myself!
Hi Jardier
Do you have the rest settings csl dd ?
Keep push you are the best 😉
waiting to purchase one of these after theyve sent them all out to the youtube simracers :-) out of stock everywhere not surprisingly :-)
Ordered mine and I'm looking forward to receive it. I purchased it with the regular 5nm. Will I notice a lot of difference between the 5nm and my current TS-PC? I mean if they are similar in terms of force I may keep the 5nm, as I feel the TS-PC is ok for me (I'm a little old).
It will be a world of difference since the CSL DD is a servo motor. Fanatec effectively killed the market for every thrustermaster wheel base that is above the T300/TX range.
I wonder when the ps4 version will be out
This VS T500 Rs? Which better?
Great video Jardier! I think I am going to get this one. Have a question about ACC though. Your graphics look so clean, can I find your settings somewhere? As mine looks pretty blurry
Very nice video! Congrats! I wish I could buy one of these CSL DD, but here in Brazil you can buy a real car for the price of one of these 😪😪 anyway, very nice product Fanatec will crush TM and Logitech, let’s see for how long they will keep this “affordable” prices!