Great option to read a summary of such a comprehensive review and flow of information. A tad more tables, like NM + price (affiliated links) would be welcomed ;) Or much more better and long overdue - an independent FF review with table of hold NM / peak NM / Peak Slew rate / Latency (both directions) on with same wheel on a hub. That would be MEGA! A table with unique features like TrueForce (Logi), Hands-Off protection (Moza), EQ (Moza?), etc- would be nice to view / review as well. Just an ideas you (and viewers) might like. A guest (real-life or sim-scene) or two - for each review (summary of their feedback) would be nice and interesting option two.
That is, this is practically the same CSL DD 8NM only a little more powerful at 4nm? This is exactly what I understood from the video. I haven’t heard comparisons and improvements between CSL DD 8NM vs CS DD 12nm, you just said that it’s just a little more powerful, but in essence it’s the same CSL DD only at 12nm.
hy, i own a Logitech DD true force, and from what i see on this video, there is a way to implement true force if game does not have an option through the ini file ??? could you make a video and explain more about that ? If you going to do that i will be really thankfull... it is also possible to improve True Force frequencies in games that already have True Force in the options ?
@@irlantiisti2810 you missed all about the Force feedback frequency respond force ? I already own a Logitech DD True force which use this technology, and it is incredibly huge, so that is already a big difference between the CSL
Just wondering, DD2 is only 100$ more then the Clubsport DD, is cogging worth it to go up to 25 nm?? I know you said a consistent 12 is more then enough, but it does also have a safety button
the quality of your testing and review videos (all of them) are awesome, really great to have you in the sim racing TH-cam community... Thank you (and Tom)!
I am quite amazed by where Fanatec went. Got a Clubsport CSL and a then a Clubsport V2 almost ten years ago, and seeing direct drive servo motor, that compact, that efficient, with this construction quality is awesome. I am not into sim racing anymore but I love to see how this is going :) Amazing channel by the way, which you were there a decade or two ago :)
@@stonecold91 depends how you define high end and low end I guess and for which products. I would not regard Fanatec's BMW M4 GT3 race rim as mid range nor would I their FIA certified QR2 Pro. On the other side though Fanatec have no high end pedal set for example, which is surprising to me. Seems like a big gap.
@@Daz5Daz fanatec is a great ecosystem, i like them as a brand and i used to own a dd wheel base. My problem is that they dont have...lets say a good 300mm gt wheel. Mclaren gt wheel is on the very budget route while the bmw wheel is for the rich. Also the software is a bit behind the competition. I agree 100% with you that they dont offer a good pedal set. It seems like fanatec are selling their brand a bit more expensive for what their equipment offers. Asetek for example offers better equipment for the same money and i was just waiting for this review in order to choose where to go next.
@@stonecold91 Fanatec gets you with the PS compatibility. I don't see a lot of other brands doing much to compete except for Thrustmaster, but man I really can't stand their designs.
@@Daz5Daz I don't think most people are willing to pay >$400 for a set of pedals when everything is relatively expensive as is. I'd say they're covering 80% of the market with their price-point, but I'm somewhat optimistic they'll be offering a higher-end pedal set in the next year, since it's been so long already.
Thanks for doing some unbiased reporting on Fanatec. I am in the market, next January or so. I have a CSL Elite, the V3 Inverted pedals and the shifter. It is all still working fine. The only time I feel like I want more power is driving truck in American Truck Simulator. I also have a PS5 and I do race regularly on GT7. So I need one that does PS. I really think the GT DD 8 Nm is plenty. I really only need the base. I do use the stationary shifter paddles which with the QR1 typed shaft it would require some spacing. I have two of the QR1's which I have a friend that almost never removes his wheel, I will give them to him. I like the QR2 shaft which is shorter and won't need as much spacing. I take my wheel off all the time. I even made a cap for the shaft to keep it clean. I use my racing/driving rig as my office and living room chair. Who knows, I might go DD+ but I am almost 60 and not as strong as I was in my youth. I watched you on my Roku and let the commercials play. Hope that helps. I don't watch ads on my PC. I come here to write. Good job.
I love this channel. I don’t own a single sim racing product as I’m planning on saving to buy it all in like a year, and this channel is soooooo helpful in choosing what ecosystem and products. I appreciate your work so much!
Was in a similar position to you a couple years ago, and made my purchase decisions largely informed by Boosted. Just want to say that your faith in their information is well-placed. I haven't really found a single thing I wasn't first informed about from primarily watching this channel.
What all you thinking as of now? I'm about to get me a new base and wheel. Leaning towards the alpha mini from simagic, and the sim lab pedals. I have v3's now and they have been great. Just time to upgrade.
Thanks so much for this! I'm glad you answered the question a few of us had about availability of a motor shaft extension. Great clear and concise information as always! Glad you're feeling better and happy birthday. Good luck with the 300K Subs. You deserve it!
23:30 This is HUGE. One of the biggest complaints I had when I got my DD1 was that the ports were not screwed into the casing, especially the usb port which is most likely going to something off-rig. Cheap to improve and would have made me worry a lot less about ripping it off accidentally. Honestly, it should have a usb port that's super reinforced on a replaceable board screwed into the case.
Top notch content as always from you guys over at boosted media! Definitely looking forward to your follow ups once everything is settled. Going to be switching from a gt dd pro to the DD+ myself, been wanting more power and was looking at simagic (their p1000i pedals have my utmost attention currently lol) but with already having fanatec every thing else this really has came at the best possible time for me. Thanks again for yet another thorough video Will and Happy Birthday from the US!
I am in the same situation. I have the CLS DD and was looking at Simagic Alpha Mini, the GT4 or GTC wheel and the P1000 pedals (really want those cool haptic feedback motors). Now I am not sure anymore. If I didn't have Fanatec I would probably going for Simagic. Their wheels look amazing.
Been looking forward for that review, and it has enough depth to cover the whole subject and answer the question most of us had : good product or a fluke ? Great content as always.
Wait, my dude only has 300k, Will be on a cusp, give it 3 more years and that (already successful) business going to be even bigger. The amount of mainstream coverage sim racing is getting right now means the sector is primed for continued growth. (Massive regions) Kids don’t want to buy cars or drive them IRL but sim titles have shown the ability with hardware like this. You will be 3 million. Good, consistent, quality rises to the top. Your niche is expanding. I hope to see this comment come true by 2026. Keep on being a trusted thorough source for sim related coverage. Cheers,
I have absolutely no intention of buying this but watched it all just because I want to keep supporting the absolute legendary effort you guys put in your reviews. With that said, I recently switched from a CSL GT DD pro to an Asetek Forte wheelbase. It did actually make me faster overall because it helped me be more consistent. I didn’t realize how much easier it is to feel slides and correct for them with a better wheelbase. I finally understand why you and some others really stress the importance of slew rate. If these new Fanatec bases actually have improved this aspect, I think people will be very happy with them.
I was so looking forward to this review, and I was not disappointed at all. Will, you're the best source for information on Sim stuff. Thank you so much. Cheers! PS: I'm glad you're fully recovered.
Thank you so much. I appreciate this channel so much because its so unbiased and honest. The attention to detail is amazing. The amount of work you must have put into this is just wow. I can confidently upgrade my DD Pro base to the DD+ now for sure. Keep up the good work Bosted Media, you are one of the absolute best 👍👍👍
Just wanted to say I love watching your videos. Keep doing what you guys do. Your reviews are far and away the best out there in sim racing. Thanks guys!
Great first look video! I actually bought my 8nm GT DD PRO bundle with your affiliate link after you made a video about that one quite a while ago. Really appreciate your attention to detail and thorough explanations and impressions. I'm pretty happy with my GT DD Pro especially after upgrading to the QR1 wheelside, it's very solid now. With stock plastic QR it was ok but not great. Maybe I'll upgrade to a DD+ eventually but actually 8nm is enough for me 95% of the time. I'm thinking the DD+ along with QR2 will probably be a noticeable upgrade from 8nm CSL DD Pro with QR1. But this 8nm DD wheel is still very good! What I am hoping Fanatec come out with next is a mid level priced FF brake pedal. It's crazy how much more braking feel I have in GT7 with Dual Sense Edge controller FF brake lever. I'd like to get that feeling in a real brake pedal.
Home improvements have caused me to wait on upgrading from my CSL V2.5. Now that I’m ready to make the change, it’s nice to have so many choices. Definitely leaning towards staying with Fanatec.
fanatecs csl dd is plagued w issues, it doesn't seem to be that different so I'd be very weary and do your research. fanatec is great, just get the extended warranty.
i was in the same position as you! but i’ve decided to try something new & got a semiucube2 pro. & wow the detail 25 nm motor has is something extraordinary.
Congrats on your semiucube2 pro purchase. My V2.5 has Ben so reliable over all of these years and is why I decided to order the DD. I got in on the $699 price just in time but it hasn’t shipped yet. Checking my emails daily.
@@dannyadams5250 bro trust me when I say the fanatec dd is so unreliable 😂 just Google fanatec issues. if you put in more than 2k hours it's not going to last at all. be careful and get the extended warranty. their qc and customer support is awful
Thanks for the video dude. I'll check back at these 2 products in about a year from now and see how they're looking. At the moment, I have no real need to get rid of my CSL DD pro with the boost kit.
The CSL DD Pro with the boost kit is great for road but in oval with a bigger rim (330-350mm) I’m noticing clipping trying to run the ffb that feels good. Not disagreeing with you guys as I think the base is amazing but I’m excited to upgrade to a DD+ just for that oval feel. Will probably dial it down for road.
@@ja96af I could totally see the DD pro being insufficient for oval racing. I don't do oval racing lol. Which is why it's fine for me. I hope you enjoy the upgrade dude. It looks like it's gonna be amazing.
Same, the only thing that attracts my attention is the increased slew rate, I'm not maxing out the ffb anyway because at high settings the ffb is already too strong.
I'd say it is too. But I am curious if 50% more power will help with drifting. I don't hear much talk about torque measures for sim-drifting as opposed to sim-racing, and I primarily spend my time drifting.
@@salkdhfpoahergpoahre1534 true, but that's why I set the ffb to 60-80% and like 50% in game. I mostly play GT7 and the ffb is more than strong enough with these settings and you get the headroom for good peak performance.
Thank you for the comprehensive testing/review video. Are you planning to revisit your results now that the dd and dd+ have been released for some time?
In March of 2022 I bought the 8nm GT DD Pro for a total of $1,063.00 with the optional ($140.00) CSL Load Cell Brake Pedal kit. Shipping to the U.S. was $33.00 with a $20.00 package discount. Today you can purchase that same setup for about $100.00 cheaper. I have pretty big arms and I don't see a need to step up to the DD+. The DD Pro 8nm is a great setup with plenty of tweaking options. I'm sure the DD+ is a great product but not worth selling my DD Pro, that's for sure. If you could find a none defected one second hand I'm sure you would be very happy. Maybe I'm another four or five years, there will be some revolutionary changes to justify upgrading from a DD Pro setup.
How would you say the sharpness of the feedback compares to the Asetek Forte (or Invicta, though that’s a tier above in price)? I recall you highlighting detailed feedback as a notable feature of the asetek line, so I’d be curious to see how the DD/DD+ compare. Appreciating this could change with the Full Force software down the line. Great detailed review as always, thanks!
It would be about the same, given equal power then slew rate in combination with software is what determines how detailed and sharp the ffb is. Asetek advertise Forte slew rate at 6.7nm/s while DD+ is 6.2nm/s, both very high numbers, both higher than simucube 2 sport which is 4.8nm/s, but simucube 2 ultimate is higher at 9.5nm/s. I would go Asetek but I want playstation support so getting DD+. Asetek is clearly the more forward thinking company, their products are actually innovative and very well designed.
I've been really excited for the review, awesome job as always. Cant wait to get my preorder whenever they decide to actually ship them, the 7th is certainly long gone now. Congratulations on hitting the 300k mark!
Only ordered my CSL DD for Christmas so I’m sure that’s all I need at least for now but it’s interesting to see Fanatec finally having a kind of “midrange” DD wheel in terms of torque, I’ve been looking forward to this review
Tbh, the 8nm from the CSL/GT DD is plenty enough for me, I've never had it at max ffb because it's just too strong for comfort, I play GT7 with in game torque at 4 or 5 (out of 10) and the ffb on the base at like 60 to 80%, leaves enough peak force available
Ordered the DD+ on day one and the DD1 PSx will become my back-up base, so all I can say is… what a time to be a sim racer! This review leaves me with no further questions… No port reinforcement or safety switch are two glaring omissions, but that just tells us there is still room for new Podium models. Thanks for all of your efforts and cheers to the pursuit of 1 million subs, you truly deserve it! Happy Birthday Will and cheers to the entire @BoostedMedia team… Bravo! 🏆🥇🏅🏆🥇🏎💨
@leonogueira1636 well he does say it's not that much of a difference he actually says wait if you have a dd1....if you're buying a base from scratch in his opinion dd+ is a better option .
Pretty handy for those considering upgrading from DD Pro or CSL DD that the distance from the back of the base to the QR is roughly the same - looks to be within about 10mm.
Thanks, Will! Always so informative, smart and thorough. Top notch! Happy DD Pro user here, that was especially interested in perceived differences between this and the DD Pro. I feel I got all the info either directly or between the lines. The best place for racing sim info
@@chickey31 just remember you'd apparently be sacrificing detail for power on the dd2. The dd+ will get you the same (better?) detail you already have and more power. Just not as much as a dd2. So same detail more power? Or less detail but much more power?
@@reviewforthetube6485 I did end up getting a DD+. While it is certainly better than the v2.5 I have from many years back, I don't think its anything revolutionary. Not saying the DD1 or DD2 would have been better, just saying improvements over the past decade in general haven't been as big as I thought they would be.
how much i waited for this video, now thats too much info but absolutely perfect whenever you find the time for it to watch :D many many many thanks again!! greatest content!
I'm still rocking my CSL DD, I am at the point of wanting to upgrade but I'm gonna wait till the base matures a bit. But considering the price and all the features and torque, I think this base is gonna be huge for Fanatec.
I’d like to see you assess the effect of wheel rim size versus force requirements. For example, my CSL DD 8nm is perfectly fine with a smaller rim but does not have enough force with a larger rim.
@@RalstigRacing yeah it’s a thing. I have a formula rim and picked up a McLaren GT3 V2 and it was unusable due to the diameter increase. I’d like to know what force I would need to drive the bigger rim to achieve an equivalent feeling force of the smaller rim
Man these videos make me wish so badly that I could afford any ps compatible DD wheel at this point. My t150 is nearly 7 years old now, and while it still works fine, I've outgrown the tiny wheel and want something with more detail, power, and just a larger wheel. Someday. Anyway, these look very good and I'm looking forward to seeing more about them.
Bro don’t worry about it you’re doing well with the T150 ….. it’s an immensely capable wheel and immersive. I have a DD PRO and better wheel and when I had the g29 I loved sim racing the most. Once I got into spending money I race every few months now. Enjoy what you have bro … and bless up
@@Max__apex Yeah I hear ya. Sometimes setting it all up is a real hassle. I just want something nicer, but I'm also afraid my t150 is reaching the end of its life soon.
Finally fanatec reacted to the moza and simagic pressure. I still don’t regret going simagic over them though. I still don’t understand what is so hard about having a standard wheel connection like moza and simagic have. Just inventing things for no reason Lol the bearing connection real cars already use is perfect on moza and simagic
I wouldn't say it's perfect in real life. If you need one because you have higher buckets, so any time you get in and out of the car. The wheel develops slop was too dam fast. Even though it's still strong as the meet SFI. My favorite is from Krontec. Miatacage and OMP make ones that also index one way and have hard rods to take up all slop and any play that comes in. They seem to hold up better to multiple dis/connects for me.
@@SwazzoTV Ehh my early morning phone typing got a bit garbled. I pretty much have to use my QD anytime I want to get in or out of my car. I had one of the NRG QDs but it started to develop alot of play, or atleast more than I want. Switched to a Krontec style one and seems to be holding up better. Miatacage and OMP make a type just like Krontecs, a one way key with locking pins. So the ball bearing type is not perfect. Its a good QD, but there are better ones in market.
@@eclark9965 Anyone got sales figures that can support or refute the idea that Fanatec ever was the preferred choice and if they were that they no longer are?
Hi Will nice to see you on the mend. Thanks for the review and I honestly was thinking this would be game changing for PS users but upon your honest opinions and thoughts I have came to the conclusion hold onto my money and await for something game changing. As I use the 8nm boost kit and QR1 which is screwed in secure all recently bought within last 1 year 6 months then I haven’t heard anything to advise why I should drop more money on something that is just slightly more powerful. Nothing that enhances the experience significantly to warrent £800-£950 including shipping to uk for this. This is why I await your reviews and something tells me asetek sim sports will release something with PS compatibility in future that may even get me to switch from fanatec. Thanks for your hard work and review see you in the next one take care
Great vid as usual guys, driving on a T150 pro and I'd say an upgrade is well overdue. The only thing holding me back from a csl dd is the extra cost for the qr2 wheel and base side cost so its a bit of a waiting game but this new base maybe an option.
ima just say ive gone from a g27(£200ish) to a t500rs(£500ish) then to a t300(£300) to a csl dd 8nm (as it is now for £450ish) i upgraded from the cog driven wheelbase really fast because the notchiness and noise bothered me so much(thats a me thing) to the t300 which for me was night and day being a belt driven wheel it didnt feel as heavy as the t500 and more responsive.BUT the difference in feel from them wheels to a DD wheelbase is just insanely different its like going from kids plastic toys to grown up full metal toys u feel everything(especially if u like rallying games u feel every wheel individually land its so satisfying)now im not saying it will make u faster as a driver(pretty sure i still have my monza record in ACC with my t300) but for feedback and immersion u get from a DD wheelbase and u can afford it especially now with the price drops i would 100%
Nice review! From the UK here and I pre ordered the 12nm version. Unfortunately still delayed further at November 28. They ship from Germany. What was interesting though was that I ordered the QR2 wheelside and a QR2 lite wheel side from their Germany website. The lite ver was in stock. But the Metal QR2 was delayed to November 30. But somehow, it got shipped and is arriving this afternoon. I'm assuming they just don't update their store website with stocks. Just got an email saying its delivered
Amazing video as always. You don't do reviews, you create masterpieces. It's a super class. I could write three or four more lines about it, I guess. Thanks for this great review and knolwedge transfer. You're so blessed, Will.
It's an exciting time to be into sim racing, sadly I lack the time, space and money right now to fully get into it and finally replace my modded G27 wheel, but the time will come and I guess there will be even more and better options (maybe a Fanatec Formula rim with integrated display? One can dream...). Until then, thanks for your videos and reviews, always great to watch (even if the videos are sometimes a little bit long). One gripe I have with Fanatecs bases is the naming, when they advertise their respective Nm figures, why can't the just put them into the name? Instead of CSL and CS DD(+) and DD1/2 they'd be simply called DD5/8, DD12, DD15, DD20, DD25 with an optional suffix for PS compatibility.
Thx for the nice and detailed up front review. One little thing, the society hosting Sim Expo is pronounced A. D. A. C. Aach letter is pronounced separately it's an abbreviation for Allgemeiner Deutscher Automobil Club roughly translated to Common German Automobile Society.
Thanks Will, your channel is indispensable for the community with your very elaborate product reviews. You are the natural successor of Barry from SimRacingGarage. (Although I miss Barry’s reviews!)
I’m really bummed they didn’t reinforce the jacks on the back of the base. I’ve already sent my GT DD in once to have it repaired for a loose connector, and I had it happen to me again recently. I know, bad luck/carelessness on my part, but I’ve had my rig mounted on a movable stand, and sometimes the cables would get caught under your feet when moving that stand causing you to pull on the cable. Big missed opportunity. Until mine stop working completely I have no reason to upgrade.
I just got the csl dd a couple months ago. And it just depends on where you’re coming from. I’m coming from a g923. So the csldd is perfect and more then I can ask for. But honestly. My skill isn’t that amazing so I don’t see a point in wanting a club sport. If I was actually getting constant podiums in the games I play. Then maybe id consider moving up. Other than that. It’s pointless. That’s just me tho ❤️
I believe the csl is 6nm holding torque and 8 peak so I feel you lol especially with a heavier wheel or hub. Upgrading just makes sense in terms of strength. Also you can always sale your csl base to whichever friend or family member you can easily convince with a payment plan lmao
With the the new ClubSport DD, I'm wondering if there will be a refresh in Fanatec's pedals whether it is a refreshed ClubSport or maybe a Podium pedal. Still would like to see Fanatec continue to provide new products to keep up with other brands that have come out in recent years. Thank you for the review.
Great video, thanks Will! What would the difference/jump be like from the predecessor (CSW V2.5) to the CS DD/+? I think this is still one open question for past Clubsport owners who waited for the new Clubsport.
Stronger, more fidelity, sharper detail and faster rotational speed and response. That’s before you factor in FullForce too. In a practical sense you’ll likely have a little more luck catching snap oversteer with this but otherwise it probably won’t make you faster. More immersive though.
Great job on the video guys! I was eager to know if I had wasted my money pre_ordering the CS DD. It safe to say that I can sleep easy after watching this review. Happy Birthday 🎂
Excellent work on this video, some points to consider regards the new Force Effects please take 2 mins to read some suggestions or pass on to Fanatec.... Regards DD+ 100% interested in seeing a comparison of FF Vs TF and in particular with GT7, yes please as we also want to learn if the DD+ has its output reduced like what annoyingly happens with the GT PRO wheel. As a Logitech GT Pro owner I am considering also buying the new DD+ wheel for PC & PS5 compatibility. With the i-racing demo you highlighted generally the user is determining the "audio mix" that gets generated Not certain if it uses individual "audio samples" from the game or if it applies pre generated tones for its specific "audio mix" for various effects via this LFE. True Force DRAWBACKS The limiting issue with this is that the GAMES need to have "individual volume controls" for the specific effects elements and in most cases with Logitech TF they dont offer enough control. So the game developers have limited amount of volume/gain sliders to determine what mix is generated. For example if you cannot decrease engine vibration separate from road bumps or road textures (like you showed from i-racing) then the user is not able to create a suitable mix like with GT7. What you end up with is no way to make just bumps stronger and tone down an effect that becomes annoying when you increase the volume/gain. Road surface and feeling wheel slip would be more useful feedback as you found compared to engine. Although, we dont need to feel the engine constant, as can become annoying overpowering if too high, detracting from the general wheels felt sensations. What would be useful is feeling "idle or low rpm" and "inertia", but then also something for "peak torque" or "peak rpm" that also help with gearchanges. Fanatec would be very wise to ask/listen to the community on this and at least with PC, make it possible for the community to do what you were able to do with this pre-production unit. By all means come up with a better alternative with better developer support than what "True Force" has but PLEASE ALSO make it possible that it can work with routed/soundcard based audio if thats what the user wants. This way the community would very quickly be able to use Simhub to create high quality "custom tactile effects" but now directly for the wheel, which costs Fantec nothing and does not require specific title support for a game to developer to have to include. FANATEC - Give the USER the choice of applying 1) No additional haptics 2) Game Delivered Haptics (like TF) 3) Simhub telemetry-tactile generated haptics
Thanks Will &Tom, Hope everyone is feeling better...Currently I'm using a Gran Turismo DD Pro (8 Nm) on my PC rig with a Logitech G29 for the PS5 (GT7) and was thinking of upgrading the PC rig to one of these two wheels bases along with a peddle upgrade ( CSL Elite Pedals V2 ) and moving my Gran Turismo DD Pro (8 Nm) to the Playstion 5 this would also mean I would have to buy a couple of QR2's for two of the two rims that I use. (this is getting expensive..Ha Ha)...So I was thinking C/S DD+ but with the added cost of the QR2's maybe the C/S DD would be the better way to go. that said I should wait until all your reviews are done....thanks for all the hard work guys, very helpful.....BTW NICE CAR!!!!
Is there or will there be any sort of Fanalab recommended settings rundown from yourself? The forum post that everyone uses for iRacing settings doesn't include these wheels.
please bring back tom in your reviews... i loved the conversation in the conclusions with him and the slight different opninions and views on certain things....
Thank you for the review! Appreciate the details :) I'm glad it's not that much better and I don't have to regret canceling the order because of the delays.
I'm stuck. So I'm not sure whether to go for DD+ or VRS Wheelbase. How close is DD+ to VRS Wheelbase in terms of FFB, the small details of the bumps and the ability to catch oversteer quicker? Coming from a CSW 2.5 user, I know going for DD+ or VRS Wheelbase will be a huge upgrade.
I had the vrs base for 6 months and it is dream to drive with it. Very strong and smooth. But I sold it in order to go back with Fanatec. Reason: gt 7 and cheaper equipment. So if you’re not interested in ps 5 and have no problem, spending more than 500 for a single wheel, take the vrs.
The DD+ original preorder release date of 12/12 has come and gone without any messaging from Fanatec. They have ghosted everyone. Will, would you use some of your pull to get a public message out of them lol. The delay is upsetting but understandable. The lack of communication is not acceptable.
Great review Will! Now that the DD2 is 100 dollars more than the Clubsport DD 12Nm with the Black Friday deal, would you rather choose the DD2 over the CS DD 12Nm?
Really looking forward to the DD+ mainly for compatibility between pc and playstation. The T300 i have is still doing good enough but it's starting to be tired of his job and there aren't a lot of wheels one the market that can adapt to different ecosystems
Hi Will, simple question, I have a DD2 with 3 add on wheels, can always feel that grainy effect, so do I update to one of these new offerings or go for a SC2 Pro. ? Is there much of a benefit going to a simucube. ? Thanks.
These are cool however I never use more than 75% on my gt dd pro with the 8nm boost pack. How hard does it need to be to steer? I get plenty of fidelity and info from the 6nm I run
Thanks for the video. I am very close to buy the DD with new wheels and new pedals from Fanatec. But I cannot understand why do I have to pay 100 Euros extra for the QR2 wheel side. Why can’t they replace the QR1 to QR2 at factory and not charge me for that? Do you think that eventually the wheels will be shipped with QR2 mount without extra costs? Cheers, Ed
Because the QR1 era is over and the focus is on the new QR2. You can downgrade by buying the optional QR1 Type-F Adapter in the future so you are not forced to upgrade your wheels to QR2 if you dont want to.
Im finally looking to upgrade from thrustmaster tx. For me to enter the fanetec ecosystem the outdated subpar pedal options can be overlooked, but the lack of emergency stop button is a deal breaker for me.
Hi there. Hats off to an amazing review!! Please allow me a question since you know these products in depth . Having bought the CSL P1 V2 steering wheel for my son, is this compatible with the new DD+ wheel base (15Nm) or an accessory is required to connect the two? Thanks for your time as I am not able to find a clear answer to that.
WRITTEN SUMMARY AVAILABLE HERE: boostedmedia.net/sim-racing/hadware-reviews/fanatec/fanatec-clubsport-dd-and-dd-wheel-bases/
Great option to read a summary of such a comprehensive review and flow of information.
A tad more tables, like NM + price (affiliated links) would be welcomed ;)
Or much more better and long overdue - an independent FF review with table of hold NM / peak NM / Peak Slew rate / Latency (both directions) on with same wheel on a hub. That would be MEGA!
A table with unique features like TrueForce (Logi), Hands-Off protection (Moza), EQ (Moza?), etc- would be nice to view / review as well. Just an ideas you (and viewers) might like.
A guest (real-life or sim-scene) or two - for each review (summary of their feedback) would be nice and interesting option two.
That is, this is practically the same CSL DD 8NM only a little more powerful at 4nm? This is exactly what I understood from the video. I haven’t heard comparisons and improvements between CSL DD 8NM vs CS DD 12nm, you just said that it’s just a little more powerful, but in essence it’s the same CSL DD only at 12nm.
hy, i own a Logitech DD true force, and from what i see on this video, there is a way to implement true force if game does not have an option through the ini file ??? could you make a video and explain more about that ?
If you going to do that i will be really thankfull... it is also possible to improve True Force frequencies in games that already have True Force in the options ?
@@irlantiisti2810 you missed all about the Force feedback frequency respond force ? I already own a Logitech DD True force which use this technology, and it is incredibly huge, so that is already a big difference between the CSL
Just wondering, DD2 is only 100$ more then the Clubsport DD, is cogging worth it to go up to 25 nm?? I know you said a consistent 12 is more then enough, but it does also have a safety button
the quality of your testing and review videos (all of them) are awesome, really great to have you in the sim racing TH-cam community... Thank you (and Tom)!
Your attention to detail and quality of review is astounding. Thank you for taking the time!
I am quite amazed by where Fanatec went. Got a Clubsport CSL and a then a Clubsport V2 almost ten years ago, and seeing direct drive servo motor, that compact, that efficient, with this construction quality is awesome. I am not into sim racing anymore but I love to see how this is going :)
Amazing channel by the way, which you were there a decade or two ago :)
Good for mid range products.
@@stonecold91 depends how you define high end and low end I guess and for which products. I would not regard Fanatec's BMW M4 GT3 race rim as mid range nor would I their FIA certified QR2 Pro. On the other side though Fanatec have no high end pedal set for example, which is surprising to me. Seems like a big gap.
@@Daz5Daz fanatec is a great ecosystem, i like them as a brand and i used to own a dd wheel base. My problem is that they dont have...lets say a good 300mm gt wheel. Mclaren gt wheel is on the very budget route while the bmw wheel is for the rich. Also the software is a bit behind the competition. I agree 100% with you that they dont offer a good pedal set. It seems like fanatec are selling their brand a bit more expensive for what their equipment offers. Asetek for example offers better equipment for the same money and i was just waiting for this review in order to choose where to go next.
@@stonecold91 Fanatec gets you with the PS compatibility. I don't see a lot of other brands doing much to compete except for Thrustmaster, but man I really can't stand their designs.
@@Daz5Daz I don't think most people are willing to pay >$400 for a set of pedals when everything is relatively expensive as is. I'd say they're covering 80% of the market with their price-point, but I'm somewhat optimistic they'll be offering a higher-end pedal set in the next year, since it's been so long already.
Thanks for doing some unbiased reporting on Fanatec. I am in the market, next January or so. I have a CSL Elite, the V3 Inverted pedals and the shifter. It is all still working fine. The only time I feel like I want more power is driving truck in American Truck Simulator. I also have a PS5 and I do race regularly on GT7. So I need one that does PS. I really think the GT DD 8 Nm is plenty. I really only need the base. I do use the stationary shifter paddles which with the QR1 typed shaft it would require some spacing. I have two of the QR1's which I have a friend that almost never removes his wheel, I will give them to him. I like the QR2 shaft which is shorter and won't need as much spacing. I take my wheel off all the time. I even made a cap for the shaft to keep it clean. I use my racing/driving rig as my office and living room chair. Who knows, I might go DD+ but I am almost 60 and not as strong as I was in my youth. I watched you on my Roku and let the commercials play. Hope that helps. I don't watch ads on my PC. I come here to write. Good job.
I love this channel. I don’t own a single sim racing product as I’m planning on saving to buy it all in like a year, and this channel is soooooo helpful in choosing what ecosystem and products. I appreciate your work so much!
Was in a similar position to you a couple years ago, and made my purchase decisions largely informed by Boosted. Just want to say that your faith in their information is well-placed. I haven't really found a single thing I wasn't first informed about from primarily watching this channel.
What all you thinking as of now? I'm about to get me a new base and wheel. Leaning towards the alpha mini from simagic, and the sim lab pedals. I have v3's now and they have been great. Just time to upgrade.
@@kdcustoms1272 I actually sold my gaming computer and never went into the market.
Thanks so much for this! I'm glad you answered the question a few of us had about availability of a motor shaft extension. Great clear and concise information as always! Glad you're feeling better and happy birthday. Good luck with the 300K Subs. You deserve it!
23:30 This is HUGE. One of the biggest complaints I had when I got my DD1 was that the ports were not screwed into the casing, especially the usb port which is most likely going to something off-rig. Cheap to improve and would have made me worry a lot less about ripping it off accidentally.
Honestly, it should have a usb port that's super reinforced on a replaceable board screwed into the case.
William…… I love you!
This may be your most anticipated video yet for almost everyone. I wish I could like this more than once!
Top notch content as always from you guys over at boosted media! Definitely looking forward to your follow ups once everything is settled. Going to be switching from a gt dd pro to the DD+ myself, been wanting more power and was looking at simagic (their p1000i pedals have my utmost attention currently lol) but with already having fanatec every thing else this really has came at the best possible time for me. Thanks again for yet another thorough video Will and Happy Birthday from the US!
when was it? I didnt noticed it :D
I am in the same situation. I have the CLS DD and was looking at Simagic Alpha Mini, the GT4 or GTC wheel and the P1000 pedals (really want those cool haptic feedback motors). Now I am not sure anymore. If I didn't have Fanatec I would probably going for Simagic. Their wheels look amazing.
Been looking forward for that review, and it has enough depth to cover the whole subject and answer the question most of us had : good product or a fluke ? Great content as always.
I'm shopping for an upgrade to my Moza R5 bundle.
Watching all of yours and everyone else's videos to see all of the options. Keep up the good work.
Did u upgrade ? If so, to what ?
Congratulations on the exclusive review for the Fanatec DD! Looking at your conclusion, it's evidently a classic win-win deal for both parties 😉
Wait, my dude only has 300k, Will be on a cusp, give it 3 more years and that (already successful) business going to be even bigger. The amount of mainstream coverage sim racing is getting right now means the sector is primed for continued growth.
(Massive regions) Kids don’t want to buy cars or drive them IRL but sim titles have shown the ability with hardware like this. You will be 3 million. Good, consistent, quality rises to the top.
Your niche is expanding. I hope to see this comment come true by 2026. Keep on being a trusted thorough source for sim related coverage. Cheers,
I have absolutely no intention of buying this but watched it all just because I want to keep supporting the absolute legendary effort you guys put in your reviews.
With that said, I recently switched from a CSL GT DD pro to an Asetek Forte wheelbase. It did actually make me faster overall because it helped me be more consistent. I didn’t realize how much easier it is to feel slides and correct for them with a better wheelbase. I finally understand why you and some others really stress the importance of slew rate. If these new Fanatec bases actually have improved this aspect, I think people will be very happy with them.
Thanks for the support mate.
300K subs is going to be good to see. I think I will stick with my GT DD Pro at 8NM, especially now I have just updated everything to QR2 lite.
This is the best Simracing Channel out there. Thanks for your hard work!
You did a superb job with this review once again Will, much appreciated, I watched every second of it, keep up the good work!
Best sim gear review channel... ever...
I was so looking forward to this review, and I was not disappointed at all. Will, you're the best source for information on Sim stuff. Thank you so much. Cheers!
PS: I'm glad you're fully recovered.
Thank you so much.
I appreciate this channel so much because its so unbiased and honest.
The attention to detail is amazing.
The amount of work you must have put into this is just wow.
I can confidently upgrade my DD Pro base to the DD+ now for sure.
Keep up the good work
Bosted Media, you are one of the absolute best 👍👍👍
Just wanted to say I love watching your videos. Keep doing what you guys do. Your reviews are far and away the best out there in sim racing. Thanks guys!
Agreed. Never would buy anything without Will reading out the specs of the power cable.
Great first look video! I actually bought my 8nm GT DD PRO bundle with your affiliate link after you made a video about that one quite a while ago. Really appreciate your attention to detail and thorough explanations and impressions. I'm pretty happy with my GT DD Pro especially after upgrading to the QR1 wheelside, it's very solid now. With stock plastic QR it was ok but not great. Maybe I'll upgrade to a DD+ eventually but actually 8nm is enough for me 95% of the time. I'm thinking the DD+ along with QR2 will probably be a noticeable upgrade from 8nm CSL DD Pro with QR1. But this 8nm DD wheel is still very good!
What I am hoping Fanatec come out with next is a mid level priced FF brake pedal. It's crazy how much more braking feel I have in GT7 with Dual Sense Edge controller FF brake lever. I'd like to get that feeling in a real brake pedal.
Just commenting to cement my arbitrarily-placed sense of occasion for this product review
Yesss hope this one lands well, people can actually get it, with reasonable time frames. big product.
You always go into great detail, even though it's a kind of preview! Thanks alot, looking forward to an upgrade from the csl dd.😎👍
Congrats on crossing 300K! Some day it'll be a million!
Home improvements have caused me to wait on upgrading from my CSL V2.5. Now that I’m ready to make the change, it’s nice to have so many choices. Definitely leaning towards staying with Fanatec.
fanatecs csl dd is plagued w issues, it doesn't seem to be that different so I'd be very weary and do your research. fanatec is great, just get the extended warranty.
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I’ll look into it.
i was in the same position as you! but i’ve decided to try something new & got a semiucube2 pro. & wow the detail 25 nm motor has is something extraordinary.
Congrats on your semiucube2 pro purchase. My V2.5 has Ben so reliable over all of these years and is why I decided to order the DD. I got in on the $699 price just in time but it hasn’t shipped yet. Checking my emails daily.
@@dannyadams5250 bro trust me when I say the fanatec dd is so unreliable 😂 just Google fanatec issues. if you put in more than 2k hours it's not going to last at all. be careful and get the extended warranty. their qc and customer support is awful
Thanks for the video dude. I'll check back at these 2 products in about a year from now and see how they're looking. At the moment, I have no real need to get rid of my CSL DD pro with the boost kit.
Same for me.
The CSL DD Pro with the boost kit is great for road but in oval with a bigger rim (330-350mm) I’m noticing clipping trying to run the ffb that feels good. Not disagreeing with you guys as I think the base is amazing but I’m excited to upgrade to a DD+ just for that oval feel. Will probably dial it down for road.
@@ja96af I could totally see the DD pro being insufficient for oval racing. I don't do oval racing lol. Which is why it's fine for me. I hope you enjoy the upgrade dude. It looks like it's gonna be amazing.
I have watched this twice all the way through now and will probably watch it more times until my DD+ arrives.
Wow great review mate, longer than most movies!
Still think the 8NM GT DD Pro which I have is powerful enough.
Same, the only thing that attracts my attention is the increased slew rate, I'm not maxing out the ffb anyway because at high settings the ffb is already too strong.
I'd say it is too. But I am curious if 50% more power will help with drifting. I don't hear much talk about torque measures for sim-drifting as opposed to sim-racing, and I primarily spend my time drifting.
The higher head room will give you cleaner and more detailed feedback in the same torque range as your getting in the CSL
@@salkdhfpoahergpoahre1534 true, but that's why I set the ffb to 60-80% and like 50% in game. I mostly play GT7 and the ffb is more than strong enough with these settings and you get the headroom for good peak performance.
More power behind the motor normally means more detail, even if it's not on max power.@@High.on.Life_DnB
Thank you for the comprehensive testing/review video.
Are you planning to revisit your results now that the dd and dd+ have been released for some time?
In March of 2022 I bought the 8nm GT DD Pro for a total of $1,063.00 with the optional ($140.00) CSL Load Cell Brake Pedal kit. Shipping to the U.S. was $33.00 with a $20.00 package discount. Today you can purchase that same setup for about $100.00 cheaper. I have pretty big arms and I don't see a need to step up to the DD+. The DD Pro 8nm is a great setup with plenty of tweaking options. I'm sure the DD+ is a great product but not worth selling my DD Pro, that's for sure. If you could find a none defected one second hand I'm sure you would be very happy. Maybe I'm another four or five years, there will be some revolutionary changes to justify upgrading from a DD Pro setup.
Great initial review Will.. Appreciate the hard work and hours of testing.
How would you say the sharpness of the feedback compares to the Asetek Forte (or Invicta, though that’s a tier above in price)? I recall you highlighting detailed feedback as a notable feature of the asetek line, so I’d be curious to see how the DD/DD+ compare. Appreciating this could change with the Full Force software down the line. Great detailed review as always, thanks!
It would be about the same, given equal power then slew rate in combination with software is what determines how detailed and sharp the ffb is. Asetek advertise Forte slew rate at 6.7nm/s while DD+ is 6.2nm/s, both very high numbers, both higher than simucube 2 sport which is 4.8nm/s, but simucube 2 ultimate is higher at 9.5nm/s. I would go Asetek but I want playstation support so getting DD+. Asetek is clearly the more forward thinking company, their products are actually innovative and very well designed.
I've been really excited for the review, awesome job as always. Cant wait to get my preorder whenever they decide to actually ship them, the 7th is certainly long gone now.
Congratulations on hitting the 300k mark!
Only ordered my CSL DD for Christmas so I’m sure that’s all I need at least for now but it’s interesting to see Fanatec finally having a kind of “midrange” DD wheel in terms of torque, I’ve been looking forward to this review
If you are new to racing the CSL DD will be great for a while
Tbh, the 8nm from the CSL/GT DD is plenty enough for me, I've never had it at max ffb because it's just too strong for comfort, I play GT7 with in game torque at 4 or 5 (out of 10) and the ffb on the base at like 60 to 80%, leaves enough peak force available
The slewrate is probably the only thing that'll make it feel like an upgrade if you're not going for a very high ffb setting
@@High.on.Life_DnB it’s not about running at max FF, it’s having headroom for spikes in FF without clipping.
The CSL DD (especially with 8NM) is great for the the beginning and at least for the next two to three years. The pricing is very good too imo.
Appreciate the video. My issue with Fanatec is their sketchy post sale support. For that reason alone I don’t consider their products.
Ordered the DD+ on day one and the DD1 PSx will become my back-up base, so all I can say is… what a time to be a sim racer! This review leaves me with no further questions… No port reinforcement or safety switch are two glaring omissions, but that just tells us there is still room for new Podium models.
Thanks for all of your efforts and cheers to the pursuit of 1 million subs, you truly deserve it! Happy Birthday Will and cheers to the entire @BoostedMedia team… Bravo! 🏆🥇🏅🏆🥇🏎💨
Why downgrading from 18nm to 15nm? Podium dd1 is better than CS dd+
@@mrdjimmi3880 did you watch the review ?🤔🤷♂️
@leonogueira1636 well he does say it's not that much of a difference he actually says wait if you have a dd1....if you're buying a base from scratch in his opinion dd+ is a better option .
What rig do you have to mount the dd+?
Pretty handy for those considering upgrading from DD Pro or CSL DD that the distance from the back of the base to the QR is roughly the same - looks to be within about 10mm.
Foreal and with a shorter exposed shaft which looks better and stronger imo
Thanks, Will! Always so informative, smart and thorough. Top notch! Happy DD Pro user here, that was especially interested in perceived differences between this and the DD Pro. I feel I got all the info either directly or between the lines. The best place for racing sim info
At a crossroads here.. The DD+ sounds awesome, but the DD2 just went up for a Black Friday sale of $799. Would you still pick the DD+ over the DD2?
I have same question. Really tempted to buy DD2
@@chickey31 I'm leaning more towards the DD+.. The higher definition (slew rate) of the newer wheel sounds much more appealing than more "power".
25 nm for 800$ is tempting. currently on csldd, would be a huge jump. I have to run it pretty hard to get the power i need. dd2 would solve that
@@chickey31 just remember you'd apparently be sacrificing detail for power on the dd2. The dd+ will get you the same (better?) detail you already have and more power. Just not as much as a dd2.
So same detail more power? Or less detail but much more power?
@@reviewforthetube6485 I did end up getting a DD+. While it is certainly better than the v2.5 I have from many years back, I don't think its anything revolutionary. Not saying the DD1 or DD2 would have been better, just saying improvements over the past decade in general haven't been as big as I thought they would be.
Epic video, will need to watch in instalments 😂 Happy birthday! 🎉
how much i waited for this video, now thats too much info but absolutely perfect whenever you find the time for it to watch :D
many many many thanks again!! greatest content!
I'm still rocking my CSL DD, I am at the point of wanting to upgrade but I'm gonna wait till the base matures a bit. But considering the price and all the features and torque, I think this base is gonna be huge for Fanatec.
I’d like to see you assess the effect of wheel rim size versus force requirements. For example, my CSL DD 8nm is perfectly fine with a smaller rim but does not have enough force with a larger rim.
I’ve definitely noticed this with my CSL DD 8.
Formula rim feels fantastic. The RS wheel feels weaker.
@@RalstigRacing yeah it’s a thing. I have a formula rim and picked up a McLaren GT3 V2 and it was unusable due to the diameter increase. I’d like to know what force I would need to drive the bigger rim to achieve an equivalent feeling force of the smaller rim
Man these videos make me wish so badly that I could afford any ps compatible DD wheel at this point. My t150 is nearly 7 years old now, and while it still works fine, I've outgrown the tiny wheel and want something with more detail, power, and just a larger wheel.
Someday. Anyway, these look very good and I'm looking forward to seeing more about them.
Bro don’t worry about it you’re doing well with the T150 ….. it’s an immensely capable wheel and immersive. I have a DD PRO and better wheel and when I had the g29 I loved sim racing the most.
Once I got into spending money I race every few months now.
Enjoy what you have bro … and bless up
@@Max__apex Yeah I hear ya. Sometimes setting it all up is a real hassle. I just want something nicer, but I'm also afraid my t150 is reaching the end of its life soon.
Thank you Will, been waiting for this! Happy early 300k subs!!!!
Great review. Seems like early days to compete fully with others. I’ll wait I think till full force is implemented into gt7. Thanks will :)
Ordered a dd+ been using a t300 since 2015 figured this was the time to get into direct drive wheels
Ahhhhh I'm so happy this review is here!!!!
Finally fanatec reacted to the moza and simagic pressure. I still don’t regret going simagic over them though. I still don’t understand what is so hard about having a standard wheel connection like moza and simagic have. Just inventing things for no reason Lol the bearing connection real cars already use is perfect on moza and simagic
I wouldn't say it's perfect in real life. If you need one because you have higher buckets, so any time you get in and out of the car. The wheel develops slop was too dam fast. Even though it's still strong as the meet SFI. My favorite is from Krontec. Miatacage and OMP make ones that also index one way and have hard rods to take up all slop and any play that comes in. They seem to hold up better to multiple dis/connects for me.
@@EvLSpectre…what
@@SwazzoTV Ehh my early morning phone typing got a bit garbled. I pretty much have to use my QD anytime I want to get in or out of my car. I had one of the NRG QDs but it started to develop alot of play, or atleast more than I want. Switched to a Krontec style one and seems to be holding up better. Miatacage and OMP make a type just like Krontecs, a one way key with locking pins. So the ball bearing type is not perfect. Its a good QD, but there are better ones in market.
do you realise how long it takes to design and test something and not bring out some half arsed product like moza did at first lolol.
@@eclark9965 Anyone got sales figures that can support or refute the idea that Fanatec ever was the preferred choice and if they were that they no longer are?
Hi Will nice to see you on the mend. Thanks for the review and I honestly was thinking this would be game changing for PS users but upon your honest opinions and thoughts I have came to the conclusion hold onto my money and await for something game changing. As I use the 8nm boost kit and QR1 which is screwed in secure all recently bought within last 1 year 6 months then I haven’t heard anything to advise why I should drop more money on something that is just slightly more powerful. Nothing that enhances the experience significantly to warrent £800-£950 including shipping to uk for this. This is why I await your reviews and something tells me asetek sim sports will release something with PS compatibility in future that may even get me to switch from fanatec. Thanks for your hard work and review see you in the next one take care
Thanks. We will revisit once FullForce is working with consoles. :)
Great vid as usual guys, driving on a T150 pro and I'd say an upgrade is well overdue. The only thing holding me back from a csl dd is the extra cost for the qr2 wheel and base side cost so its a bit of a waiting game but this new base maybe an option.
ima just say ive gone from a g27(£200ish) to a t500rs(£500ish) then to a t300(£300) to a csl dd 8nm (as it is now for £450ish) i upgraded from the cog driven wheelbase really fast because the notchiness and noise bothered me so much(thats a me thing) to the t300 which for me was night and day being a belt driven wheel it didnt feel as heavy as the t500 and more responsive.BUT the difference in feel from them wheels to a DD wheelbase is just insanely different its like going from kids plastic toys to grown up full metal toys u feel everything(especially if u like rallying games u feel every wheel individually land its so satisfying)now im not saying it will make u faster as a driver(pretty sure i still have my monza record in ACC with my t300) but for feedback and immersion u get from a DD wheelbase and u can afford it especially now with the price drops i would 100%
Nice review!
From the UK here and I pre ordered the 12nm version. Unfortunately still delayed further at November 28. They ship from Germany.
What was interesting though was that I ordered the QR2 wheelside and a QR2 lite wheel side from their Germany website.
The lite ver was in stock. But the Metal QR2 was delayed to November 30.
But somehow, it got shipped and is arriving this afternoon.
I'm assuming they just don't update their store website with stocks.
Just got an email saying its delivered
Amazing video as always. You don't do reviews, you create masterpieces. It's a super class. I could write three or four more lines about it, I guess. Thanks for this great review and knolwedge transfer. You're so blessed, Will.
It's an exciting time to be into sim racing, sadly I lack the time, space and money right now to fully get into it and finally replace my modded G27 wheel, but the time will come and I guess there will be even more and better options (maybe a Fanatec Formula rim with integrated display? One can dream...). Until then, thanks for your videos and reviews, always great to watch (even if the videos are sometimes a little bit long).
One gripe I have with Fanatecs bases is the naming, when they advertise their respective Nm figures, why can't the just put them into the name? Instead of CSL and CS DD(+) and DD1/2 they'd be simply called DD5/8, DD12, DD15, DD20, DD25 with an optional suffix for PS compatibility.
Marketing :(
small correction, the chapter when you test the CS DD+ is named 'Driving Impressions - CS DD'. just the plus is missing.
loved the video!
Ahh thanks for pointing that out. I don’t think YT likes the use of symbols. I’ll add “plus”. Cheers.
Thx for the nice and detailed up front review. One little thing, the society hosting Sim Expo is pronounced A. D. A. C. Aach letter is pronounced separately it's an abbreviation for Allgemeiner Deutscher Automobil Club roughly translated to Common German Automobile Society.
I was waiting for this for too long now 😭 days passed slowly
Hope you're better dude!
Congrats on 300K subscribers!
Thanks Will, your channel is indispensable for the community with your very elaborate product reviews. You are the natural successor of Barry from SimRacingGarage. (Although I miss Barry’s reviews!)
Congrats on 300K subs🎉
Competitive iRacing - where slew rate and responsiveness (perhaps there the same thing) are a first class citizen, Asetek Forte or the CS DD? Thanks
For iRacing Simucube/Asetek are the best Base you can buy. The just work some magic on the bad 60Hz FFB.
Excellent review. Ordering my DD+ tomorrow!
I’m really bummed they didn’t reinforce the jacks on the back of the base. I’ve already sent my GT DD in once to have it repaired for a loose connector, and I had it happen to me again recently. I know, bad luck/carelessness on my part, but I’ve had my rig mounted on a movable stand, and sometimes the cables would get caught under your feet when moving that stand causing you to pull on the cable. Big missed opportunity. Until mine stop working completely I have no reason to upgrade.
Thanks for the review, Will, now I await the DD3 to get this new tech
would love to have the DD or DD+ , feel like my CSL DD 8Nm is a bit on the weaker side...
I just got the csl dd a couple months ago. And it just depends on where you’re coming from. I’m coming from a g923. So the csldd is perfect and more then I can ask for. But honestly. My skill isn’t that amazing so I don’t see a point in wanting a club sport. If I was actually getting constant podiums in the games I play. Then maybe id consider moving up. Other than that. It’s pointless. That’s just me tho ❤️
I believe the csl is 6nm holding torque and 8 peak so I feel you lol especially with a heavier wheel or hub. Upgrading just makes sense in terms of strength. Also you can always sale your csl base to whichever friend or family member you can easily convince with a payment plan lmao
With the the new ClubSport DD, I'm wondering if there will be a refresh in Fanatec's pedals whether it is a refreshed ClubSport or maybe a Podium pedal. Still would like to see Fanatec continue to provide new products to keep up with other brands that have come out in recent years. Thank you for the review.
Awesome review! Answered a lot of questions that I had for the wheel base. Can't wait to try it out in a few weeks!
Great video, thanks Will! What would the difference/jump be like from the predecessor (CSW V2.5) to the CS DD/+? I think this is still one open question for past Clubsport owners who waited for the new Clubsport.
Stronger, more fidelity, sharper detail and faster rotational speed and response. That’s before you factor in FullForce too.
In a practical sense you’ll likely have a little more luck catching snap oversteer with this but otherwise it probably won’t make you faster. More immersive though.
dd2 for 799,- Blackfridaydeal or clubsport dd+ for 999,-,what shall i do?
Great job on the video guys!
I was eager to know if I had wasted my money pre_ordering the CS DD.
It safe to say that I can sleep easy after watching this review.
Happy Birthday 🎂
I sear to got, at 1:30 It's impossible for me to tell how big the other wheelbases in the background are..
Excellent work on this video, some points to consider regards the new Force Effects please take 2 mins to read some suggestions or pass on to Fanatec....
Regards DD+ 100% interested in seeing a comparison of FF Vs TF and in particular with GT7, yes please as we also want to learn if the DD+ has its output reduced like what annoyingly happens with the GT PRO wheel. As a Logitech GT Pro owner I am considering also buying the new DD+ wheel for PC & PS5 compatibility.
With the i-racing demo you highlighted generally the user is determining the "audio mix" that gets generated
Not certain if it uses individual "audio samples" from the game or if it applies pre generated tones for its specific "audio mix" for various effects via this LFE.
True Force DRAWBACKS
The limiting issue with this is that the GAMES need to have "individual volume controls" for the specific effects elements and in most cases with Logitech TF they dont offer enough control.
So the game developers have limited amount of volume/gain sliders to determine what mix is generated. For example if you cannot decrease engine vibration separate from road bumps or road textures (like you showed from i-racing) then the user is not able to create a suitable mix like with GT7. What you end up with is no way to make just bumps stronger and tone down an effect that becomes annoying when you increase the volume/gain. Road surface and feeling wheel slip would be more useful feedback as you found compared to engine. Although, we dont need to feel the engine constant, as can become annoying overpowering if too high, detracting from the general wheels felt sensations. What would be useful is feeling "idle or low rpm" and "inertia", but then also something for "peak torque" or "peak rpm" that also help with gearchanges.
Fanatec would be very wise to ask/listen to the community on this and at least with PC, make it possible for the community to do what you were able to do with this pre-production unit.
By all means come up with a better alternative with better developer support than what "True Force" has but PLEASE ALSO make it possible that it can work with routed/soundcard based audio if thats what the user wants. This way the community would very quickly be able to use Simhub to create high quality "custom tactile effects" but now directly for the wheel, which costs Fantec nothing and does not require specific title support for a game to developer to have to include.
FANATEC - Give the USER the choice of applying
1) No additional haptics
2) Game Delivered Haptics (like TF)
3) Simhub telemetry-tactile generated haptics
Next time? C'mon man. This has been a known problem for like 2 years. Sheesh! Great review and glad to see they keep innovating.
Thanks Will &Tom, Hope everyone is feeling better...Currently I'm using a Gran Turismo DD Pro (8 Nm) on my PC rig with a Logitech G29 for the PS5 (GT7) and was thinking of upgrading the PC rig to one of these two wheels bases along with a peddle upgrade ( CSL Elite Pedals V2 ) and moving my Gran Turismo DD Pro (8 Nm) to the Playstion 5 this would also mean I would have to buy a couple of QR2's for two of the two rims that I use. (this is getting expensive..Ha Ha)...So I was thinking C/S DD+ but with the added cost of the QR2's maybe the C/S DD would be the better way to go. that said I should wait until all your reviews are done....thanks for all the hard work guys, very helpful.....BTW NICE CAR!!!!
Is there or will there be any sort of Fanalab recommended settings rundown from yourself? The forum post that everyone uses for iRacing settings doesn't include these wheels.
please bring back tom in your reviews... i loved the conversation in the conclusions with him and the slight different opninions and views on certain things....
Thank you for the review! Appreciate the details :) I'm glad it's not that much better and I don't have to regret canceling the order because of the delays.
Thank you for the review Will.
With the Black Friday deals that Fanatec's currently having, would it better to get the Podium DD2 or this wheel base?
Thx for the super Test Bro.
Merci beaucoup pour ce premier test des deux bases FANATEC, et merci pour les joueurs PC ET consoles, 👍😁.
I'm stuck. So I'm not sure whether to go for DD+ or VRS Wheelbase.
How close is DD+ to VRS Wheelbase in terms of FFB, the small details of the bumps and the ability to catch oversteer quicker? Coming from a CSW 2.5 user, I know going for DD+ or VRS Wheelbase will be a huge upgrade.
I was also looking at the VRS + pedals seems like we have so many good options in the sub 1kusd range that it’s hard to pick lol
I had the vrs base for 6 months and it is dream to drive with it. Very strong and smooth. But I sold it in order to go back with Fanatec. Reason: gt 7 and cheaper equipment. So if you’re not interested in ps 5 and have no problem, spending more than 500 for a single wheel, take the vrs.
I cancelled my CS DD order and ordered VRS DFP instead.
Thanks for the extensive first impressions. I guess I’ll stick with my CSL DD Pro QR2 for now.
The DD+ original preorder release date of 12/12 has come and gone without any messaging from Fanatec. They have ghosted everyone. Will, would you use some of your pull to get a public message out of them lol. The delay is upsetting but understandable. The lack of communication is not acceptable.
Great review Will! Now that the DD2 is 100 dollars more than the Clubsport DD 12Nm with the Black Friday deal, would you rather choose the DD2 over the CS DD 12Nm?
Really looking forward to the DD+ mainly for compatibility between pc and playstation. The T300 i have is still doing good enough but it's starting to be tired of his job and there aren't a lot of wheels one the market that can adapt to different ecosystems
I watched this review twice. So excited for this base to come out
Hi Will, simple question, I have a DD2 with 3 add on wheels, can always feel that grainy effect, so do I update to one of these new offerings or go for a SC2 Pro. ?
Is there much of a benefit going to a simucube. ?
Thanks.
These are cool however I never use more than 75% on my gt dd pro with the 8nm boost pack. How hard does it need to be to steer? I get plenty of fidelity and info from the 6nm I run
Amazing.. fantastic review guys
So glad Fanatec is finally dropping more competitive products was debating if it was time to switch before this!
Fantastic video! Will be ordering a DD+ in the New Year.
As a guy that mounts up a DDU. Very glad there's going to be a shaft extension. That's quite the difference!
Go get some sleep. I just woke up watched this and am going back to sleep myself. Great video.
I've been considering the VRS products myself.
You know the review is a good one when it's as long as a feature-length film
Aren't films usually 2 hours or longer?
Good preview of these bases. Hope your feeling better. So do I get this or the Asetek la prima?
Thanks for the video.
I am very close to buy the DD with new wheels and new pedals from Fanatec. But I cannot understand why do I have to pay 100 Euros extra for the QR2 wheel side. Why can’t they replace the QR1 to QR2 at factory and not charge me for that?
Do you think that eventually the wheels will be shipped with QR2 mount without extra costs?
Cheers,
Ed
Because the QR1 era is over and the focus is on the new QR2. You can downgrade by buying the optional QR1 Type-F Adapter in the future so you are not forced to upgrade your wheels to QR2 if you dont want to.
Im finally looking to upgrade from thrustmaster tx. For me to enter the fanetec ecosystem the outdated subpar pedal options can be overlooked, but the lack of emergency stop button is a deal breaker for me.
Hi there.
Hats off to an amazing review!!
Please allow me a question since you know these products in depth .
Having bought the CSL P1 V2 steering wheel for my son, is this compatible with the new DD+ wheel base (15Nm) or an accessory is required to connect the two?
Thanks for your time as I am not able to find a clear answer to that.