for most people who hold their mixed grip in their palm, then yeah hook grip can reduce ROM if you do it right and let the bar "hang low" but for some people (like me) who hold the bar in their fingers for mixed grip, hook is slightly more ROM (at least for me, but for most people hook would probably reduce ROM when done right). Just my two cents
Agreed with yoni, it doesn't really decrease ROM if you hold the bar correctly, low in your hand, not in your palms like a million people do. either way, splitting hairs at that point.
I found that was my exact issue though! I held the bar low in my hands with mixed grip, and that's why my hand would open up on my quad with heavy sumos
Yoni Galinsky im late for the game here but my hook actually has more rom cause with mixed i can let it go down a little but because of my small hands with hook grip i have to hold it tighter
did stronglifts to 160kg then went back down to do weekly progression with more volume and to change from alt to hook grip but have destroyed my thumbs in the process. your advice is working really well for the hook grip thanks a lot! also love the content keep up the good work
tore my distal biceps in competition in Feb. Today, I officially committed to an enduring relationship with hookgrip, no matter the pain in brings. #ripthumbzzzz
thats the first thing u should learn as a beginner. if u make it to around milion lbs with mix grip and than try to learn hookgrip it causes a lot of frustration to decrease plates dramatically just to learn a different grip. same goes with people backsquatting enormous weight but not being able to front squat 60 kg just because of discomfort. ive started lifting with hook from my first day and even though my results are medicore af, grip was never a case.
Wojciech Ślebioda grip shouldnt be an issue ever. Hook grip isn't magical. And grip strength should be able to be developed very quickly as the muscles involved just aren't that big. Most of your grip strength actually comes from your CNS. The first thing your CNS will stop letting you do when you are too fatigued is grip things tightly. My programming is really solid and i do a fair amount of conditioning. I do conventional mixed grip and i dont have any issues pulling 600lbs (i haven't been training long, only 4yrs). I don't really do extra grip work. I just do all of my pulling strapless
I have tried to teach other people to let the hook grip hang more at the end of the fingers to prevent the rolling and unraveling and ripping of thumbs like you mentioned, but nobody seemed to think it made much sense. Glad I am not alone! Hook grip has allowed my grip to never be a limiting factor in completing a deadlift.
Hey Bryce could you do a video about efficient strap set up? I often find it hard to breathe and brace from a compromised position with my hands around the bar :/.
Calgary Barbell do it, im having problems with this too. Also how to strap up fast to prevent getting tired from being in that bent position for so long
Loving the content Bryce! By far my favorite channel on TH-cam right now. I also do my working sets with straps and my singles with hook grip and it's been going well so far. I have buddies in Calgary so I'm hoping I'll be able to make the trip down to Calgary Barbell one of these days....the gym looks awesome!
try a single layer of flexible self adhesive tape instead of the stiff and sticky athletic tape. keeps skin from tearing but you don't lose thumb movement and there's no pressure
Unfortunately, it took tearing my bicep tendon to learn the value of the hook grip. I’m fully recovered and it’s taking me some time to get used to it, but it’s getting better, and I will not go back to a mixed grip.
Hey man, this stabbing glute thing sounds a lot like the thing that I'm going through right now. I can't fully pin point the spot but it feels like deep glute/upper hamstring spot. It occurs during the second half of the lift, the lock-out. It happens during squats too in the mid-upper portion of the lift. It is mainly caused by deadlifts as I'm able to squat pain free, once I build some momentum. I remember switching to sumo briefly and it actually made me feel better...bruhhhh...why us
Just slow down your squat and play with everything - stance width, grip width, bar placement, feet cues, bracing, back extension, knee travel (out vs forward) - but ideally one at a time. Try and find a pattern you can execute pain free and go from there. Sounds A LOT easier than it is. Trust. I hope you can fix it up though buddy, shit ain't fun.
It's funny that you say 'slow down your squat' since that seems to help a lot during deadlifts. Pulling with speed is when I'll start to feel it during conventional. Have you got it diagnosed by any chance? Hamstring tendinopathy?
Nobody has been able to diagnose it. Had an MRI, spine is normal, hips are normal. No clue what is causing it, so just dealing with it the best I can. Things are getting better.
Hey Bryce, even when I "set" my hookgrip, the bar keeps kind of spinning inside my hand, what would be the contributing factor for that and also how could it be fixed?
Hey Bryce, do you think grip strength could suffer from doing too much training in straps? Do you think maybe I should incorporate static holds without straps with weights that I can hold with double over-hand grip to address that problem?
I must be doing it wrong as soon as I go heavier than 140 it a) feels like my thumb will dislocate or b) fingers just slip off thumb so I don’t even get it off the floor
Chalk up your thumbs and palms and make sure you're pointing your thumb along the bar, not across. Keep it all tight too. You should only feel pressure on your thumb pad.
Been trying out hook grip the past few weeks and it's come with varying success. When trying to break the floor at 75%+, i definitely feel the bar slip/roll in my hand a little. I've been trying to pull the slack out of the bar but I may have to pay closer attention or just have another cue/setup that allows me to pull the slack out of my grip first. Any tips?
I️ came here from Candito’s channel and this is probably one of the better hook Grip tips I’ve seen. Definitely gonna try it when I️ Pull today! Thanks man!
It's the guy from AM Training that got nerve damage in his thumb. The one who broke it I *think* was from dropping it and the whip of the bar pulling his thumb out of his socket. not sure it's been a while.
Erik Brabants would you drop a link to the one who got nerve damage if you find it? Not that I doubt you, just curious to see. In regards to the one who broke their thumb, that's awful and unfortunately that is a consequence of dropping weights sometimes, I wouldn't necessarily attribute it to the hook grip. Anybody can injure themselves severely if they attempt a lift they are not ready for. I think the takeaway is that one should absolutely build up their "hook grip" strength sufficiently before attempting too heavy of weight. Starting out with lighter weight and more reps would be a good idea.
I've been pulling using hook grip for about a month now on pretty much all pulls from the floor and it really doesn't hurt that much for me (I actually had worse hand sorness/pain pulling mixed), granted I'm only pulling 4 1/2 plates - I wish I started pulling hook grip earlier as I had a lot of grip issues (mainly with my hand opening like Bryce mentioned) I was just scared bc I thought it would hurt TLDR: Don't be a pussy, just do it
I'm not a competitive powerlifter but in my own experience I found the "alternate grip" better for ME. Especially if I'm doing 5x5's. Or just high rep work. I found using a "hook grip (hands over bar)". my grip gradually opens up. Not so with an alternate grip (strong hand over/weak hand under). It almost feels like I can "manhandle" the bar. Maybe it's a personal thing. One grip works better for one person while the other doesn't.
No tape due to pressure, low hanging. Interesting, my first attempt wasn't using any tape. Thanks for the tip. th-cam.com/video/Coxg7Iogbvg/w-d-xo.html thanks for the tips!!
Literally switched to hook grip like 4 days ago and I love it. It feels more natural and just all round better when deadlifting.
omg finally someone who agrees with hook grip decreasing ROM. I was trying to get this across to other ppl and nobody understood me.
for most people who hold their mixed grip in their palm, then yeah hook grip can reduce ROM if you do it right and let the bar "hang low" but for some people (like me) who hold the bar in their fingers for mixed grip, hook is slightly more ROM (at least for me, but for most people hook would probably reduce ROM when done right). Just my two cents
Agreed with yoni, it doesn't really decrease ROM if you hold the bar correctly, low in your hand, not in your palms like a million people do. either way, splitting hairs at that point.
I found that was my exact issue though! I held the bar low in my hands with mixed grip, and that's why my hand would open up on my quad with heavy sumos
Ye that warrants the use of hook grip for anyone with that issue - just can't call it reducing ROM imo.
Yoni Galinsky im late for the game here but my hook actually has more rom cause with mixed i can let it go down a little but because of my small hands with hook grip i have to hold it tighter
Massively informative while being short and sweet. Very nice! 😎
did stronglifts to 160kg then went back down to do weekly progression with more volume and to change from alt to hook grip but have destroyed my thumbs in the process. your advice is working really well for the hook grip thanks a lot! also love the content keep up the good work
great video man! Definitely helped! :)
tore my distal biceps in competition in Feb. Today, I officially committed to an enduring relationship with hookgrip, no matter the pain in brings. #ripthumbzzzz
Man I know this video is old but teaching me to pull the slack out of my grip changed everything for the better! Thank you!
thats the first thing u should learn as a beginner. if u make it to around milion lbs with mix grip and than try to learn hookgrip it causes a lot of frustration to decrease plates dramatically just to learn a different grip. same goes with people backsquatting enormous weight but not being able to front squat 60 kg just because of discomfort. ive started lifting with hook from my first day and even though my results are medicore af, grip was never a case.
Wojciech Ślebioda grip shouldnt be an issue ever. Hook grip isn't magical. And grip strength should be able to be developed very quickly as the muscles involved just aren't that big. Most of your grip strength actually comes from your CNS. The first thing your CNS will stop letting you do when you are too fatigued is grip things tightly. My programming is really solid and i do a fair amount of conditioning. I do conventional mixed grip and i dont have any issues pulling 600lbs (i haven't been training long, only 4yrs). I don't really do extra grip work. I just do all of my pulling strapless
I have tried to teach other people to let the hook grip hang more at the end of the fingers to prevent the rolling and unraveling and ripping of thumbs like you mentioned, but nobody seemed to think it made much sense. Glad I am not alone! Hook grip has allowed my grip to never be a limiting factor in completing a deadlift.
Dope! I am hopeful I can someday say the same.
I meannnn. I am not pulling the type of weight you are, my best gym deadlift so far has been 272 KG.
I lost my straps so had to do all volume sets with hookgrip 😐 helped me to adjust really fast but the pain was annoying
If you can - it probably won't negatively affect you. I couldn't imagine doing that much volume w hook, but kudos to you!
Hey Bryce could you do a video about efficient strap set up? I often find it hard to breathe and brace from a compromised position with my hands around the bar :/.
I was about to ask the same thing.
I could talk a bit about that in the future, sure.
Calgary Barbell do it, im having problems with this too. Also how to strap up fast to prevent getting tired from being in that bent position for so long
really useful man thanks
Game changer for me, built that callous to where I don’t feel pain no more
Loving the content Bryce! By far my favorite channel on TH-cam right now. I also do my working sets with straps and my singles with hook grip and it's been going well so far. I have buddies in Calgary so I'm hoping I'll be able to make the trip down to Calgary Barbell one of these days....the gym looks awesome!
Dooooooooo it
Will try to endure that pain and maybe one day I'll be able to use hookgrip properly
1 THUMB UP = 1 PRAYER FOR EVERY THUMB REKT BY THE HOOK GRAAP LIFE
The rektest thumbs
Super great video. Really impressive and informative Bryce
Thanks so much man!
Love this.
try a single layer of flexible self adhesive tape instead of the stiff and sticky athletic tape. keeps skin from tearing but you don't lose thumb movement and there's no pressure
Unfortunately, it took tearing my bicep tendon to learn the value of the hook grip. I’m fully recovered and it’s taking me some time to get used to it, but it’s getting better, and I will not go back to a mixed grip.
hook grip, so hot right now
Hahaha seriously, it's so trendy haha
team hookgrip brahhhs, das it
excellent tips man! using hook grip never have been so easy for me :)
That's it. I am giving the hook a serious go.
Awesome vid man. If I didn't have a home gym, I'd be lifting at CB.
Hook grip equal the lats out and no unevenness from the biceps I find it hard but I suggest practice practice practice it all come together
GREAT VLOG! THANKS FOR SHARING WITH US. #YYC
Thanks dad
Hey man, this stabbing glute thing sounds a lot like the thing that I'm going through right now. I can't fully pin point the spot but it feels like deep glute/upper hamstring spot. It occurs during the second half of the lift, the lock-out. It happens during squats too in the mid-upper portion of the lift. It is mainly caused by deadlifts as I'm able to squat pain free, once I build some momentum. I remember switching to sumo briefly and it actually made me feel better...bruhhhh...why us
Just slow down your squat and play with everything - stance width, grip width, bar placement, feet cues, bracing, back extension, knee travel (out vs forward) - but ideally one at a time. Try and find a pattern you can execute pain free and go from there. Sounds A LOT easier than it is. Trust. I hope you can fix it up though buddy, shit ain't fun.
It's funny that you say 'slow down your squat' since that seems to help a lot during deadlifts. Pulling with speed is when I'll start to feel it during conventional. Have you got it diagnosed by any chance? Hamstring tendinopathy?
Nobody has been able to diagnose it. Had an MRI, spine is normal, hips are normal. No clue what is causing it, so just dealing with it the best I can. Things are getting better.
dat circus freak aesthetic
Fucking amazing advice bro.
For real man.
You are good.
If you don't want to drop deadlifts, just don't lift them ia a first place!
I get my deadlift about halfway up and then the bar rolls in my hand I lose grip and it slips out😤
Hey Bryce, even when I "set" my hookgrip, the bar keeps kind of spinning inside my hand, what would be the contributing factor for that and also how could it be fixed?
Interesting. I did not know Jordan Peterson was a powerlifting judge. 0:33
Hook grip for life
Big powerlifter!
Hey Bryce, do you think grip strength could suffer from doing too much training in straps? Do you think maybe I should incorporate static holds without straps with weights that I can hold with double over-hand grip to address that problem?
I must be doing it wrong as soon as I go heavier than 140 it a) feels like my thumb will dislocate or b) fingers just slip off thumb so I don’t even get it off the floor
Chalk up your thumbs and palms and make sure you're pointing your thumb along the bar, not across. Keep it all tight too.
You should only feel pressure on your thumb pad.
how much is dude in the back benching?
Anyone else having troubles always scraping open their inner thigh region with ur index finger nail while hooking sumo reps? :D
Yep. Trim those sumbitches and file your nails down. It helps, but it only helps so much...
I'm running MagOrt right now and hook grip all of my sets. Would you recommend using straps for all the volume building up to the top set too?
Been trying out hook grip the past few weeks and it's come with varying success. When trying to break the floor at 75%+, i definitely feel the bar slip/roll in my hand a little. I've been trying to pull the slack out of the bar but I may have to pay closer attention or just have another cue/setup that allows me to pull the slack out of my grip first. Any tips?
Where are the links?
YEAH DILLON WHERE ARE THE LINKS!??!
The White and Red Power Ranger sent me here.
I️ came here from Candito’s channel and this is probably one of the better hook Grip tips I’ve seen. Definitely gonna try it when I️ Pull today! Thanks man!
good perspective.
Man, I'm so fucking trendy. Been doing hookgrip for over a year and suddenly everyone is adopting it.
If you hook it, they will follow.
How many people do you know that have had injuries from this? I've seen one TH-camr break his thumb, and another got nerve damage from it.
Links please? I think this technique is safe as long as done properly.
wat? I've never heard of that. Not saying it isn't possible, I've just never seen it. Would be interested to see.
It's the guy from AM Training that got nerve damage in his thumb. The one who broke it I *think* was from dropping it and the whip of the bar pulling his thumb out of his socket. not sure it's been a while.
Erik Brabants would you drop a link to the one who got nerve damage if you find it? Not that I doubt you, just curious to see. In regards to the one who broke their thumb, that's awful and unfortunately that is a consequence of dropping weights sometimes, I wouldn't necessarily attribute it to the hook grip. Anybody can injure themselves severely if they attempt a lift they are not ready for. I think the takeaway is that one should absolutely build up their "hook grip" strength sufficiently before attempting too heavy of weight. Starting out with lighter weight and more reps would be a good idea.
Too bad I have midget thumbs
Your best pull is conventional?
Johnny Koch Was, i think :)
simplymerofl sumo is too technical for my aggressive approach
Johnny Koch sorry, not sure i understood your question, i thought you were asking about bryce
simplymerofl lol I was just saying I prefer conventional bc I pull aggressively.
Johnny Koch What works for you man
better to do the first n-1 reps with strap and do the last rep with hookgrip, then you don't have to waste time putting strap on
I hookgrip my morning toast, I need help...
I've been pulling using hook grip for about a month now on pretty much all pulls from the floor and it really doesn't hurt that much for me (I actually had worse hand sorness/pain pulling mixed), granted I'm only pulling 4 1/2 plates - I wish I started pulling hook grip earlier as I had a lot of grip issues (mainly with my hand opening like Bryce mentioned) I was just scared bc I thought it would hurt
TLDR: Don't be a pussy, just do it
I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. It hurts, but if you wanna do it, you've gotta do it.
I'm not a competitive powerlifter but in my own experience I found the "alternate grip" better for ME. Especially if I'm doing 5x5's. Or just high rep work. I found using a "hook grip (hands over bar)". my grip gradually opens up. Not so with an alternate grip (strong hand over/weak hand under). It almost feels like I can "manhandle" the bar. Maybe it's a personal thing. One grip works better for one person while the other doesn't.
No tape due to pressure, low hanging. Interesting, my first attempt wasn't using any tape. Thanks for the tip. th-cam.com/video/Coxg7Iogbvg/w-d-xo.html thanks for the tips!!
get them dislikes out of here!
Eh. We made it on Reddit - it's bound to happen ahah
Use Straps
Lol hook grip ....