Everything You Need To Know About Grip Strength For Powerlifting

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  • @resellworld
    @resellworld 4 ปีที่แล้ว +352

    0:37 It looks like the dude hit him with that shirt causing him to drop the bar 🤣

  • @williamlai22
    @williamlai22 4 ปีที่แล้ว +241

    Johnnie - “Some people are genetically gifted and the tips aren't going to translate to you, the viewer"
    Me - *holding back tears*

    • @damianperez3649
      @damianperez3649 ปีที่แล้ว

      You mixed the context to it; if you didn’t hear what he was referring to before he stated that, then you’re not gonna experience it

  • @hehehohoism
    @hehehohoism 4 ปีที่แล้ว +434

    Grip strength isn't a problem if you don't have any weights to grip :(

    • @mariopalacios9876
      @mariopalacios9876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      F

    • @gracefool
      @gracefool 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Time to find a neighbour with a home gym... We are out there :)

    • @hatbat1234
      @hatbat1234 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I put fat grips on my bucket handles. Fill it with water or sand, and do lots of farmer walks, even go up and down stairs. It has kept me sane so far.

    • @gracefool
      @gracefool 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hatbat1234 yup, farmer walks are highly underrated. Or just carrying in general, especially up hills and stairs.

    • @larsp7214
      @larsp7214 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hatbat1234
      Fat grips on a pull up bar are great as well if you have a power tower or door attachment

  • @poisonkiler3
    @poisonkiler3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    "I dont have particularly big hands" as you're holding your hand against the dude with the biggest hands in the nba

  • @djjesusdiedforourspins1838
    @djjesusdiedforourspins1838 4 ปีที่แล้ว +200

    Watch me hit a deadlift PR in two weeks after all of the grip training I’ll be doing in quarantine

    • @LewisPC
      @LewisPC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was literally thinking the exact thing XD

    • @monkeyxpwner
      @monkeyxpwner 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      *one sided grip training

    • @happzy
      @happzy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You might have better chances with armwrestling

    • @djjesusdiedforourspins1838
      @djjesusdiedforourspins1838 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Pedro Jr Nah, man, you gotta keep switching hands to avoid muscular imbalances

    • @pwepwe2378
      @pwepwe2378 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice joke and profile picture

  • @marinodelcarpio3982
    @marinodelcarpio3982 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Technique 1:16
    Basic Conditions 4:02
    Basic Solutions 6:04
    My Unique approach 6:42

  • @darrellfriesen5328
    @darrellfriesen5328 4 ปีที่แล้ว +167

    Are you going to be doing a recap on your Arnold’s comp? I know everyone wants to see it! Thanks!!!

    • @RasputinGamingPC
      @RasputinGamingPC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes he is. He said it on his insta story

  • @LummyTum
    @LummyTum 4 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    0:37 it looks like you got punched by the guy in the background

  • @averageadventure6008
    @averageadventure6008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    As a rock climber, what you referred to as "finger tip grip" is close to the sort of grip that's generally considered strongest and safest in climbing. We usually avoid closing our hands completely if we want to exert a lot of force. Although I try to close my hand for heavier deadlifts, it will usually roll into this position after so many reps with DOH

  • @curlean-x4443
    @curlean-x4443 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love this style of putting together information while linking other vides!

  • @phoenixfitness700
    @phoenixfitness700 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It’s rare to get original content/advice on TH-cam fitness but this actually is! Great video

  • @lucavanantwerpen3752
    @lucavanantwerpen3752 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I've had great succes at simply improving my double overhand grip deadlift. Even having deadlifts days during the off season where I exclusively deadlift double overhand will do wonders.

  • @moqensen
    @moqensen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks Candito I look forward to trying this out in 2021 when the quarantine is over

  • @NickWright
    @NickWright 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The Key to a big deadlift part 3 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 excellent video homie

  • @whitebelt2905
    @whitebelt2905 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man I needed this video! Great content

  • @TunnelVisionAthletic
    @TunnelVisionAthletic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Dave Woolsan's channel is so underrated. Give him a sub boyz

    • @mkl1464
      @mkl1464 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely love his channel but he just missed his third deadlift on grip, not sure why.

    • @BM-si2ei
      @BM-si2ei 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mkl1464 Hook grip is a strange mistress. I use it for all heavy pulls. Most of the time it's fine. Then it seats wrong one time, and I can feel my thumb skin tearing. Drop the weight or open a big tear...you gotta make that call.

    • @Soulshacazulu
      @Soulshacazulu 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      for real tho

    • @ghfjfghjasdfasdf
      @ghfjfghjasdfasdf 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I concur.

  • @depthklocke9009
    @depthklocke9009 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im watching this after having watched newer vids. I feel like you've definitely changed your mind on hook grip, to more of an extent more recently around.

  • @bigvicious7317
    @bigvicious7317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video. Thank you!

  • @hollywoodcmccain3764
    @hollywoodcmccain3764 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video def going to implement this into my training soon

  • @thisisphilchan
    @thisisphilchan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    super helpful - thank you!

  • @freakied0550
    @freakied0550 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is that cerebral training approach I'm here for.

  • @AkMcDichael
    @AkMcDichael 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hey bro I’ve been starting look up to you throughout my strength training journey! Your content is about as real as it can get. Just out of curiosity, are you going to make any updates on your website or programs? And can you post a video explaining your main take away‘s throughout your lifting journey for getting stronger?

  • @pupper5580
    @pupper5580 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My gym doesn't allow chalk (which is great for hygiene, and I think it's a great thing for my safety - I'm terrified of stuff that wrestler's get, ringworm etc, because of bad hygiene). You pinpoint answered the problem I was having. Paraphrasing: "If you can't use chalk, you should use straps". Hook grip is great unless I have sweaty hands - and if I have sweaty hands, a pull that feels light will feel dangerous, uncomfortable and difficult because I can feel my grip slipping during the lift. It feels like the bar will roll through my hook grip lock because of the sweat making the friction, which holds the finger-lock, disappear.
    But also because of this issue I had with sweaty hands I was able to spot a lack in my hook-grip technique (Cailer Woolam's hook grip video gave me the clue), which I'm super happy about. You need to twist the hook grip in, not just go straight for it. Also you need to have you index finger behind the thumb joint. I was doing both of these points wrong or not well enough.

  • @metalrocks999
    @metalrocks999 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content

  • @LewisPC
    @LewisPC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When i get back to lifting after this rona, finally PR on sumo and dont fail on grip, I will owe you a thanks 😊

  • @brownky3
    @brownky3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I always watch the full ads for Jonnie. Respect.

  • @gonzalojesusvegavigo6937
    @gonzalojesusvegavigo6937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I thought I had shitty grip strenght. However, with gyms closed due to Covid I ended up purchasing a professional barbell and the thruth was that barbells at my gym just suck ass

    • @getstrongby4038
      @getstrongby4038 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmfao I know that feeling

    • @Joe-wt6eh
      @Joe-wt6eh 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Chalk

  • @Jmack7861
    @Jmack7861 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I always use straps and have never had issues with a 600 lb deadlift. I always squeeze with straps just as hard as I would without though, the straps are just to preserve my hands. Once you start relaxing your hands with straps or using just your finger tips because the straps will still hold is when you start getting grip issues with straps mostly

  • @shawnb50
    @shawnb50 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, I can’t wait to get my first barbell and home gym stuff... hopefully rogue picks up their output... all I’m going to get is a bar and bumper plates. No rack, no bench, just a barbell. Everything you need to improve standing athletic movements. I will be able to do dips and pull ups too, but other than that, all I have is the basic lifts and will get good at overhead press, power clean and jerk, front squat, and deadlift. I’ve been looking at the cerakote training bar, looks nice.

  • @Ahmad-qx6pg
    @Ahmad-qx6pg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ive always used the "finger tip grip" and this is the first time hearing that its a thing lol i just did it naturally and noticed i dont develop much calluses on my palm because of that, so you were right in assuming that jonnie

  • @epz1123
    @epz1123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    8:45 I felt violated 😟

  • @wazzup105
    @wazzup105 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I didn't know other grips then the "fingertips grip" in my first meet. It's what made sense to me and comes naturally. My first meet did gave me a brand new bar to pull with and boy was that thing sharp (could even be considered painful if it hadn't been for the adrenaline). It rewarded me with a PR on my third attempt though :-)

  • @fraternovaeres
    @fraternovaeres 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Are you going to do a video covering your performance at the Arnold?

  • @James_Byron
    @James_Byron 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I always trained with straps, and at the start it was starting to weaken my grip strength, I decided to train for a few months with the hook grip and chalk. Now that I know I can pull my max with hook grip and chalk I don't mind using straps for my training, but be careful and don't rely on them too much like I did.

    • @juanmixmv6695
      @juanmixmv6695 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      this is what exactly recently happened to me :/

  • @nxoliver
    @nxoliver 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I see a Candito upload, I like.

  • @KSizbored4life
    @KSizbored4life 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    that shot of kawhi hands with yours is insane, kawhi has huge hands even for nba standards

  • @lifeisgood070
    @lifeisgood070 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey, I really like you and appreciate all your content over the years like the dunk video and this grip training. So this is nothing personal, but I found it a bit hard to follow your train of thought around 8:20. Maybe number your points and then the sub-steps within each point, so there is a more cohesive story? Maybe add a into: "We're talking about X, Y, and B today. A conclusion might be a bit much, but you could play around. I appreciate everything you said, and I know you have more to share. I just wanted to help you come across to a larger audience. Thanks for sharing. I'm going to try these, especially the first part with the 30-second holds. Thanks again.

  • @facundozapata7364
    @facundozapata7364 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Right when I need it.

  • @MoisesZTech
    @MoisesZTech 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you buff David Hogg

  • @svmuscle7677
    @svmuscle7677 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    problem I have with grabbing the bar deeper in my hand, is I tear calluses more often when I use slightly shittier bars, so I like to grab it real low typically

  • @MrRangreat
    @MrRangreat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    “The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena...” that speech is always motivational 👍🏼

  • @MickyMike11
    @MickyMike11 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fingertip grip is awesome. No more calluses on the hand, instead you'll get barely visible mini calluses below the top finger joint. If it doesn't work for you on DL I'd still use it on other pulling exercises like cable rows, pull ups etc.

  • @TheGripMuse
    @TheGripMuse 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know there is so much more to grip than grippers but I'd still like to see you try the captains of crush. It would be cool to see which one you could crush without specialized training

  • @MeharBhogal
    @MeharBhogal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can't double over more than a couple reds, and don't ever use straps (take very good hand care). Have hooked 550 but found it inconsistent. Mixed gripped 595.
    I've found what nobody has discussed is holding the bar extremely deep in the hand so that the bar lays on the actual meat of the hand and is almost not reliant on the grip itself.
    May only work for meatier hands. But it's a method.

  • @tjcogger1974
    @tjcogger1974 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Good video! Ive always had the grip strength of a 12 year old girl lol

    • @garrettbaratheon567
      @garrettbaratheon567 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thomas Cogger dude grip is the hardest thing for me to make progress on

    • @tjcogger1974
      @tjcogger1974 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@garrettbaratheon567 same.

    • @OneDerscoreOneder
      @OneDerscoreOneder 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Garrett Baratheon you can do climber style stuff to help your grip. Hangboard is good

  • @alexwilliams5587
    @alexwilliams5587 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The GOAT 🙏🙏

  • @jater10
    @jater10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Used to do alternating grip which made progress. Then I tried and got used to hook gripping.
    Another thing is I also never use straps when training. It also helps to train for a supertotal (incorporate cleans) along with pullups as an accessory.

  • @eeervin3
    @eeervin3 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pls could you do a powerlifting specific home workout video? How to train at home w nothing but bands?

  • @mathewselin8704
    @mathewselin8704 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do all warmup sets with a double over hand. I complete one working set with a hookgrip. Then I use straps for the remaining sets. I tend to use straps less when working sets become doubles and singles.

  • @WillJM81280
    @WillJM81280 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Plate pinches are for pinch grip, which is different than crush grip which is what the handles are for. IMO I wouldn’t say it’s a waste, it’s just a different type of grip strength to work on.

  • @bryanhogan4314
    @bryanhogan4314 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i deadlift 600 lbs, never been limited by my strength, but straps feel super weird so ive never used them, done rack pulls with 700/800 so hopeful!

  • @hidupsehat5205
    @hidupsehat5205 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Small hand 🖐 deadlift brothers unite!!!

    • @SaritaKumari-fy7co
      @SaritaKumari-fy7co 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How much length is known has small hand ?????please tell me I wanna know my lower hand to my wrist to middle finger length measures 7.5 inches is it big or small?

  • @toanvo427
    @toanvo427 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The jokes start now, thanks for great powerlifting content and programming.

  • @mlpreiss
    @mlpreiss 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wrist curls, both regular and reverse, have always helped my grip strength. Of course, I'm not a competitive powerlifter.

  • @yoshi4980
    @yoshi4980 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    was thinking about switching back to mixed grip..gonna have to get used to the supination, which was the main reason why i tried out hook and stuck with it until now

  • @folk_sound
    @folk_sound 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr. Candito, do you have any suggestions about bracing for a heavy deadlift with straps? It seems that for singles being bent over with straps before the lift makes you far less efficient...

  • @soaringvlogs
    @soaringvlogs 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    limiting posterior chain when you don't use chalk or straps
    1st and 2nd meet ask for the bar to be wiped down.
    6:20 IS problemed solved if grip messed up
    -Dont do fat grip and rubber stuff train your hand skin!

  • @bryanhogan4314
    @bryanhogan4314 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thankfully ive gotten to 495 with no grip issues conventional with mixed grip

  • @DIPPEDNBLK
    @DIPPEDNBLK 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:42 Great technique!! 😉💪🏾✨

  • @TopDoggyRobby
    @TopDoggyRobby 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you still incorporate bodybuilding exercises or do you solely focus on specificity for powerlifting?

  • @alanlawson6669
    @alanlawson6669 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Can you do audible and just tell me how your week has been ....

  • @LarsRyeJeppesen
    @LarsRyeJeppesen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    My DL is too weak for my grip to be an issue

  • @4KNatureandCityWalks
    @4KNatureandCityWalks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Any collabing with Blaha??

  • @stuckmannen3876
    @stuckmannen3876 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    God bless ✝️

  • @PerryThePlatt
    @PerryThePlatt 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    my man

  • @fko1
    @fko1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The holds and wrist curls are you doing them weighted? Or are you using a death grip on the empty bar?

  • @jinleeusa17
    @jinleeusa17 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    candito as you are a big lil uzi fan may you please do a review of "eternal atake" ☺️

  • @shawnb50
    @shawnb50 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m getting a cerakote training, Olympic bar. Is the grip really that much different on this bar, I actually prefer less aggressive knurling but I am not lifting nearly as much as you are so would I start noticing difference in the mid 500s? I also wanna do power clean and stuff so I like this bar better for that and I would want to get better at a neutral grip. I’ve neutral gripped 405 without hook grip but am wondering if you really need that much knurling if I will be learning hook grip for when I start getting really strong on deadlift?

  • @Diegozijnyoutube
    @Diegozijnyoutube 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I had a thumb accident at work a long time ago, can't bend my dominant hands thumb anymore and it's 0.5 cm shorter. removes a lot of power :(, i'm not affraid to wear straps tho. casual lifting is casual

  • @user-yo4rc8kr1k
    @user-yo4rc8kr1k 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to lift such weight where my grip strength can even be a problem. Alternative grip just below my fingers works well by far

  • @ecnumber1fan
    @ecnumber1fan 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude doesn't even look that big but pulling some hefty weight. I got to give him my props, impressive.

  • @Indiana_Jesus
    @Indiana_Jesus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there like a trick to hook grip or do you just get used to it? cuz like been trying to integrated a lot for a couple months but whenever I get past 350 it feels like my thumbs are going to explode

  • @makaan699
    @makaan699 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I started using only double overhand grip because I was scared of a bicep tear and it actually completely fixed my grip issues. I can literally pull my max with it, which is now 30kg more than I've ever done with mixed grip. Double overhand trains your grip so much, beginners shouldn't switch to mixed grip once they can deadlift like 130kgs or whatever lmao, that transition literally marks the start of grip strength problems.

    • @Moloch6666
      @Moloch6666 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah same, pulled 190kg with double overhand on a shitty normal worn out gymbar where we are not allowed to have chalk. I love using double overhand for everything, rows, RDLs, deadlifts etc

  • @Ivan4n09
    @Ivan4n09 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pinch work can halp, but only if you have exceptionally weak thumbs, it's definitely not for conditioning. And you would have to lift a lot more. TBH pinching is just fun on its own, it's unrelated to powerlifting, more to grip sport.

  • @MichaelWarrenPerform
    @MichaelWarrenPerform 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello. I just smoked a J so just rambling. I've watched your channel off and on over many years. It's not super catchy, but it will keep the attention of serious PLers. I think you need to do something more catchy once in awhile. Anyways, good shit bro.

  • @Taylor-KY3G
    @Taylor-KY3G 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Supenation is the greatest word I’ve never heard before.

  • @Jason5267
    @Jason5267 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have relatively big hands and it feels like a massive disadvantage to me, when I deadlift I can't hold the bar against my palms because my fingers are too long so basically I am forced to hold the bar with hooked fingers if that makes sense... I'm not very strong but after 315lb it becomes quite difficult to hold the bar

    • @Ryuzenski
      @Ryuzenski ปีที่แล้ว

      I came here just to find someone with the same problem

  • @onepercent7330
    @onepercent7330 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    wait so which deadlift bar should i use to deadlift? my gym has 3 different types and not sure which one to use

  • @romeostandings7528
    @romeostandings7528 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    CANDITO I LOVE YOU THAT IS ALL

  • @alexwilliams5587
    @alexwilliams5587 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Devon larratt wrist curls in my experience are way better than normal wrist curls. Also weighted chin ups have helped my grip

  • @michaelkarayan6652
    @michaelkarayan6652 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You said arbitrary. Welcome to the simulation, Mr. Anderson-we’ve been waiting for you for sometime now.

  • @LummyTum
    @LummyTum 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will you be at the IPF Worlds in Stavanger?

  • @champion5545
    @champion5545 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    wait, so with what load do you do grip holds every training session?

  • @powerliftmisc5725
    @powerliftmisc5725 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Show us your home setup bro.

  • @Emp6ft10in
    @Emp6ft10in 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did the Arnold's happen?

  • @williambrinkmeier1772
    @williambrinkmeier1772 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got kinda large hands have closed a 2.5 captain of crush but dead lifting has always felt odd to me I have failed a 540 lift cause of it.

  • @ghfjfghjasdfasdf
    @ghfjfghjasdfasdf 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question, how does wiping the bar down help?

  • @mhxxd4
    @mhxxd4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you pull heavy double overhand tho?

  • @ianmcstruthers9937
    @ianmcstruthers9937 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hmm maybe I need to rewatch the video, but I guess I’m not following why you wouldn’t recommend hook grip for most people.. you mentioned consistency, but what exactly is the reason that hook grip is less consistent for most people?

  • @larrytinnin3357
    @larrytinnin3357 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best way to improve your deadlift?

  • @justinliberman3970
    @justinliberman3970 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Johnnie need some explanation on that Kawhi photo!

  • @gothops2632
    @gothops2632 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much can you lift with a double overhand grip (no straps)?

  • @andr1
    @andr1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Havent watched it yet but hook grip

  • @izzate7
    @izzate7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Candida Heytch Keew coming to you live from the outbreak zoaaan.....

  • @RickyBobby2169
    @RickyBobby2169 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So whats best if you got long fingers and small palms.

  • @EliasoPataso
    @EliasoPataso 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have SEVERE grip problems at 200 lbs. Am I screwed?

  • @tavastian3288
    @tavastian3288 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My grip is the only limiting factor I have, which I also hate. I'm kinda big guy in relation to my peers. 182cm and 98kg pretty lean too. But my hands are small as fuck.
    I cant use hook grip, because I cant even grip my thumb at all.
    What most griefs me is that my grip by itself is not weak, I have pretty strong grip, but my hands are so small its hard to properly grip the barbell.

  • @oscarestoa8796
    @oscarestoa8796 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the one and only disadvantage of hook grip is "pain" which goes away after using hook grip for a while. Man up people.
    BTW: the hook grip is also the strongest mechanically

  • @bradbuckinghamhandsomeprin6027
    @bradbuckinghamhandsomeprin6027 ปีที่แล้ว

    A half round file works wonders for the calluses I get on my right hand from gripping the bar. My half round file keeps the palm of my right hand smooth as a babies bottom... Your welcome.

  • @mfa-FH
    @mfa-FH 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bad deadlift genetic here.. short limb.. ive to grip deep into palm & hook grip