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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ธ.ค. 2023
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The Ending of Pokémon Scarlet & Violet has finally coming to a close. But did it answer everything?
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one thing that I don't understand from the DLC is how Perrin gets the photographies of the new paradox pokemon 🤔
I’m so glad they confirmed that the paradox Pokémon are not actually ancestors or descendants of our Pokemon but just past and future themed version from other Timelines/universes, it just makes more sense to have it that because the paradox Pokémon are way to similar to be different enough to be completely separate Pokémon anyways. So that means if we got to another timeline/ universe in a future game we could get brand new Pokemon that are dinosaur or robot themed. Also the professor straight up says that they are pulled from other timelines so it’s confirmed.
Also I really like that the game is about finding your treasure and reaching your future dreams.
Agreed
If you squint a bit, Zekrom and Resheram resemble paradox pokemon. They are a past and future themed pokemon that benefits from sun/electric terrain.
@@nobodyspecial2053 There are so many Unova connections it’s crazy! The fact that the BB Academy is in Unova and the game is about finding your Treasure and reaching for your dreams just connects so well with Unova.
@@therealdrogane just time to easy even pokemon knows that what if it's both and neither at the same time it's just a paradox maybe terapagos true power is to created paradoxes maybe bend the rules of space time control dreams and time, people dreaming of other timelines.
honestly, in my opinion...SV was alright (AT first), i enjoyed the story and had fun in my first play through. And i through "this is alright, i really did like the story so far and characters." But after the dlc, jesus I honestly love SV. The story is pretty great, amazing, for a pokemon game. And i love pokemon, and lore, and the lore was so good (unlike SWSH.), and the dlcs just made it feel like Game Freak cares again. It gives me great hope for future games. I want more like how SV was, with its story and etc. I could ramble on more, but its really just the dlc was great, love how it wrapped things up perfectly.
*puts a major spoiler in the thimbnail*
"This is your one chance to stop now and not be spoiled"
Fair 🤣
Nice video king thank you for the vid
No problem. Thank you for watching
The Professor COULD have changed their fate. We never find their Corpse in Area Zero after all. Nothing stopping them from Faking their Death when they were supposed to and changed their name and went in hiding until AFTER the Loop was Ended when their past self met the Child Protag.
Bro i have to give respect where respect is due your ability to understanf those theories of time and such make it where that kind of stuff maybe easier to access and therefore explain to the rest of us, but i cant tell you the size of the joint i had to smoke after coming to that secret ending at the pool because i was like WHAT 😂. I guess also its because i put my energy into wondering exactly HOW the hell the earth ended up harboring creatures like the paradox pokemon and what caused set events to happen since it seemed post apocalyptic, but i digress. Again another great video man
Thank you very much! I'm glad you liked it!
The timeline had always existed like that way. Thats one way to explain the paradox.
Thanks!
Thank you!
At first I told Sada "Hell no! You're not getting my book!" 😂😂😂😂
Yeah that's another one of those "illusions of freewill."
Yeah I didn't have a choice lol
Just beaten Indigo Disk..... had a blast :D
It's pretty good
(please remember that the following is a fanfiction)
The Admin files:#006. Admin Doug of security
Greetings this is admin Doug of security speaking and I am responding to our beloved leader Drogane's video about the recent events regarding the indigo disc and me personally I find the results very fascinating. The fact that we are the ones who started this loop. The fact that we are the one who also ended this loop. The fact that all of this ties back to us is fascinating and I guess that's why they call it a paradox. The loop cannot exist without us, but the exact same time. Our progress cannot exist without the loop so I suppose that this is a blessing in disguise for everyone in my opinion and is the event where Sada was brought from the past to the present. Honestly surprised me I was quite literally just catching pokémon all willy-nilly and randomly. But yeah I I personally am very satisfied with the results and I am very eager to see what the future holds and the paradox pokémon I personally always agreed with drogane that the parox pokémon are from time not imagination and while yeah the imagination theory was a bit more interesting and I suppose creative but facts are facts and you can't do anything about that. So for those that really wanted the imagination theory to be true. Sorry. Yeah you're luck kind of run out right there but anyways I've been. I think I've been rambling on long enough so I went to this transmission as I always do saying that. I hope everyone has a long and happy life and I wish you all prosperity
*End of transmission*
It's a great ending to the game.
@@therealdrogane it's perfect for closing off Gen 9 in my opinion
Do wonder if the point of all this is leading to an Unovan Future Legends game or even a Past and Future versions with these Pokemon.
Probably not
The real horror of the story is that there is no Battle tower
I can go back and check which video if I need to, but ouroboros was used prefectly while we were theorizing about this Loki season 2 ending.
Yes it was for sure
this is the reason why i wanted to get arceus
Okay
Would be cool if at the end the Player Character remind them of Arwen and then the other parent follows the events of the other version, changing their timeline but maintaining the paradox since the events of Scarlet will enable Violet and vice versa. Just a bigger loop
Good point
Remarkable. You’re breakdown is quite mind opening. Indeed, the dlc left me with even more questions, but yet I am content. I haven’t seen a Pokémon game this fleshed out in a while. My guess is, if there isn’t a new DLC, then we’ll get more information in a future game, like with Arceus.
Maybe and thank you
Finally, someone who also acknowledges other timelines.
It's more like timeline traveling than time travel; the event when we talk to the real alive professor at the start of their investigation and before they went mad does not make sense from our timeline perspective: from the Area Zero journals we know the professor had already completed the time machine and brought their first koraidon/miraidon when they discovered they where expecting Arven, which just contradicts what this professor tells us; this professor does not seem to recognise this koraidon/miraidon but has already a son. Furthermore, they gave us their scarlet/violet book, which in our timeline Arven had it and we use it to stop the time machine. So it's probable as they said they could be from an alternate timeline. Maybe the entry in the journal of the Dephts in this timeline about "us" giving them the white book is "us" from another timeline as well in which they didn't gave us their scarlet/violet copy and thus keeping it for us to stop the time machine.
I see a lot of people telling it may be (us creating) a (time) paradox loop like speaking about AI and giving them the book with more info but it does not look like a time paradox loop if we take into account previous stablished canon.
Also we don't know if they're the ones who gave the info to Heath but we are still missing their childhood book which it isn't in their possession anymore so the events wouldn't flow as in our timeline.
But on the other hand it seems it puts us on the academy and I think (at least for every video I've seem) they text about the cahracter's post game plotlines reactivates. Dd indeed break this timeline bccause those evnts make no sense?
As confusing as it sounds - it's the same time line. I plan to do a separate video on the Paradox Loop but let me explain here.
In reality we know their are multiple Scarlet & Violet books out there and realistically speaking the Violet/Scarlet book we use to activate the time machine is really no different than any of the others that were released.
So even though we get a book the professors signed, in the greater context this would change nothing.
Briar's book is what ultimately gives this professor the knowledge to harness Terapagos power and set in motion everything we played up until this point. Hence the Paradox.
@@therealdroganebut isn’t there a rebuttal that there is only 1 version of the Scarlet and Violet book that Turo has? The 1 version being their signature in it. Very much looking forward to your video
I think i may know what the waterfall glyph and the cave table are now there message from the past and future trying to tell the present what the crater is.
As language evolves over time comuication with the past and future would be next to impossible what doesn't change is math
Also tarapogos being a fragment of the is looking more true.
Also time highway
Not a bad idea. We will be diving deeper into all this soon.
The amount of suspense, plot twists and even "fake plot twists" (stuff that seemed way too complex, but was hiding that it actually could be explained in a very straight forward way later in the game) put into this gen brings out a whole new level of story writing on the franchise. Awesome games
Agreed
My favorite part isn't even the lore, but the characters 😊
I still activate the cutscene without the legendary of the indigo disk
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Thank you
11:40 I’m pretty sure the professors actually do say they’re pulling Pokemon from other timelines. I also find it incredibly interesting that in the caves below Area Zero in the Indigo Disk we find a paradox mon…I wonder if this implies there’s a cross-over between timelines down here? So sometimes Pokemon from other timelines cross here (specifically I think there’s 2 - ours, and the one where paradox Pokemon originate from). Because I’m not sure if a Paradox Mon could be down here due to one of the professors, as it’s only accessible by the elevator (unless I’m reading too much into it and it is just one from the time machine).
Also fair play for being right about it being time travel, I was convinced it was at least partially dream-related 🙌🏻
Gg friend.
@@therealdrogane I’ve thought about it some more and some parts still don’t *quite* add up - the 2 main ones for being being:
a) the professor states that tera crystals can also be used to optimise machinery - not that they actually cause time travel. We can see this with the AI, which also cannot leave Area Zero (or perhaps the lab itself, it’s never actually stated which I don’t believe) as it needs the crystals to continue functioning. I’m wondering if perhaps this is also used to optimise the Pokeball locking system?
b) The Terrarium is made possible by tera energy. This may well tie in to my previous point about it being used to optimise.
These 2 things don’t fit into the purely time-travel theory, and I feel like Terapagos and the tera crystals should almost be treated as 2 separate (albeit closely-related) entities. Perhaps Terapagos has the power of time travel, but it needs to draw on the power of the tera crystals to do so, while the tera crystals draw on Terapagos’ powers of Terastallization to cause the phenomenon. I think the crystals are just pure energy, and this energy can be manipulated in various ways.
- Terapagos using them to cause time travel
- The crystals are manipulated by Terapagos’ powers of Terastallization to cause this energy to cause said phenomenon.
- The crystals (stated to be pure energy) can also be used to optimise machinery, eg. the Time Machine, the AI and the Terrarium.
I may have overcomplicated things because I’ve been over-thinking it 😅 but also I feel certain there’s more to it than purely “time/timeline travel”. I agree that’s the origin of the Paradox Mons, however I don’t think that time travel itself is the power, but merely one potential consequence as a result of utilising the energy.
Edit: The power of the crystals is stated multiple times to be “unstable” so perhaps this is why Paradox mons show up in Heath’s time? Or perhaps he never saw them at all and instead wrote about what was told to him by the professor when he had a similar experience to them (being transported to the future briefly to speak with them). Idk the more I think about it the more there is to get into and I’m probably wrong about a lot of this, but it’s still very fun that we have lots of pieces still to put together!
In short, I believe that the power of terastal energy is so great that it can help people achieve their “dreams”, as it opens up so many more possibilities than would be possible without it, if that makes sense.
I guess the white book didn’t include the fact that prof died or who was the inventor of the Time Machine? Coz the author of it didn’t know that, we didn’t tell her that,also the champion said she hided part of the facts to other ppl, so prof wouldn’t have the chance nor choice to change his future. I wish we could tell prof that he would be in danger tho😢
I still want the rumoured pkhex like feature. I need a 6iv ditto yesterday.
Yeah nope
So basically we are the reason arven was abandoned and professors died?
Partly yes
Half of your agrument is that it doesnt matter how they came from the past. Thats crazy
It's not an agruement and you are actually stating what I said incorrectly. The game tells us they came from the past or future through the power of Terapagos's use of Terastal Energy. I said it doesn't matter what type of past they are pulled from at this point because it's from time. Alternative timeline, regular timeline - yes, that does not matter.
The game gave us canon evidence to this so it's not longer an argument - it's factual.
the idea is fascinating... im super intrigued by the distant past and future if we were able to visit a small portion, woulda been so cool...if terapagos could warp a person from another timeline's past (the professor) to bring them to the crystal lake, i wonder if terapagos could just bring us to those distant era's... ugh there's a LOT of room to work with here.
More videos coming soon!
That’s just fanfiction the game debunks timetravel and distant past or future nonsense. They are imaginary.
@@azurechief3151 Provide proof they are imaginary. You can't because the game literally has come out and said where they are from. Show me where the game says they are imaginary.
@@therealdrogane The professor states it at the pool. Now spin it and lie about it reedittor.
@azurechief3151 No they do not. Would you like me to tell you exactly what he says - here you go
Turo or Sada says at the Crystal Pool when you select the Question "What are you studying now?"
They respond - "I am researching methods to catch pokemon that live in different timelines, so I might transport to the present day of my own timeline."
They go on to say "It sounds fantastical, no doubt, but I am drafting plans now for a machine that may achieve it."
They then say "This book captured my imagination as a child when I read it as a child and has never let go."
Finally they finish with - "But progress has been slow and beset by failures. I haven't left my lab in sometime now..."
You are calling me stupid and a liar but you are literally equating the dialogue of - "The Book captured my imagination" to they are spawned from imagination.
They literally says what they are doing at the beginning of the conversation. There is no in between.
Once they have Briars books they get the final piece he needs to finish the time machine and get it all working.
Now I'll ask you again - show me where in game it says they come from imagination?
You are the one looking stupid here. Just literally look at what the dialogue is saying man.
So I'm confused to why the professor exchange their personal copies of the Scarlet/Violet book to the player. Wasn't a key component to stopping the time machine or something (Correct me if I'm wrong since it has been a year since I play the story mode) and didn't the book also disappear with the AI professor too? Wouldn't that create a paradox unless the professors we met came from a parallel timeline while the professor of this timeline just got their copy of Brair's book from a player from a parallel universe since the professors never mention able exchanging their book within their notes.
Short answer - there are multiple copies of the Scarlet/Violet book put there just like Briars. In theory any one of those books can just activate the machine. I will be doing a separate video on this soon.
@therealdrogane Nice I'm looking forward to it.
He would’ve obviously had to get another copy. His was just one he had as a kid. You as the player character getting the book could mean a possible ai meet up in the sequel
And I know they didn’t say anything about a sequel but it’s too coincidental that they chose unova a game that has time skip for black/white 2 and time is the main theme for scarlet and violet.
@FinalShadowblaze78 Its unclear what we are getting next year yet but I don't think they'll be doing sequels to this generation.
Can someone please tell me the name of the song playing in the background
At which part of the video?
Spoilers.
So basically the entire time paradox chain of events started with you giving up the book for Profesor Sada/Turo in Kitakami Crystal Lake. This small act impacted the creation of Terastal phenomenon, lives of so many of your friends, entire plot of Scarlet/Violet, and even the name of the academy being Naranja/Uva. However this isn't the end of the entire plot for Pokemon Scarlet/Violet, since we still have yet to conclude the mastermind mythical pokemon Pecharunt role in Kitakami region.
It's looking like Peachrunt will be an event with no story context tbh.
@@therealdrogane You might be right, but it's dex entries, and abilities are really very interesting.
@@therealdroganeit actually has a leaked event and everything involving Arvem, Nemona and Penny. It seems we will not have another Volcanion, but rather another Victini
The academy names? They had those names since before Heath's expedition.
The thing I'm curious about is the book's origins and signature. Arven got it from his dad, gave it to us and we placed it in the time machine. But how did Arven got it if Turo gave it to us for Briar's? I feel like maybe in a DLC3 we'll give it to Arven and Arven will go to the Crystal Pool to give it to his dad (this Turo is a past version of the one we meet, maybe Arven says "This is yours" due to the signature which was never signed, henceforth the Paradox. This Turo being a past Turo wouldn't recognize us because he never met us yet and maybe keeps silent when he meets Miraidon (he vaguely recalls us).
So the book would go: Turo to us, us to Arven, Arven to Turo, Turo to Arven, Arven to us, us to Time Machine.
Now we just need to know if the Paradoxes in Heath's time and in Underdepths were displaced in space time or not.
They probably were since there was no machine, those who get displaced seem to have foggy memories.
Heath probably met Terapagos and went to the future, therefore thinking of that "dream like state" and his final form.
Turo knew he was in Kitakami but in the journal he wrote "Eastern lands" so his memory is foggy or it's intentional.
Hey Kuro,
I responded to this question in the comments but I will be doing another video on how the timeline works soon. So either inbox me on discord or you could wait for the video. 🤣
Transported* not purported.
I never onced believe in the imagination and dream theory. Time travel was what I stuck by and I am glad that we got our answer. Paradox pokemon from another point in time just makes sense. I am playing the Indigo Disk and I am liking most of it so far.
So you only believe your own head canon because you don’t like the real story of the game? There is no time travel it WAS dreams. The real world doesn’t bend to your small fragile feelings.
@@azurechief3151 keep deluding yourself. It is time travel. This is facts. Deal with it and move on. Muting you because you are a liar
Like every other legendary that we had in the past that has something to do with new battle mechinics(besides mega evoultions), you can make the assumption that area zero was created by teropagos falling from space. Think about all the crators from past pokemon games. Nezcrozma, Kyruem, Enternitus. Its fairly plausable.
This isn't actually correct going by the dex entries. It's said it used to live in Paldea but seismic shifts drove it to extinction. The Underdepths are 2 millions years ago and aren't actually connected to the meteor that created the crater because that only impacted 1 million years ago
Also think about the role that Desires/Wishing will play out in the next chapter of the DLC; where the antagonist mythical Pokémon is the antithesis of Terapagos.
Terapagos = freely allows people to manipulate their environment according to their desires.
Antagonist Pokémon = lures people who have a deep dark desire, promising them to grant their wishes, and then controls them internally; enslaved to its own will.
GameFreak are not lazy enough to write Time Travel / Multiverse rubbish.
There is no next chapter of the dlc. There's the up coming Peacharunt event and that's it. The game is over.
@@therealdrogane that’s what I was referring to.
By the way. Can’t stand hack writing and hack imaginations. 😂
Boring AF.
@@therealdrogane your theories about Time Travel in SV are more fluffy than the theories about Thermodynamics and Astral Projection working in-tandem.
NOTE WELL: We did NOT go inside a Time Machine when we saw Prof. Sada/Turo…it was at a lake, with crystals that emit stellar energy, and a Pokémon whose very essence can channel this energy in a thermodynamic system to create material things and also visions of what we want to see.
@@NeverMeltIce Thank you for agreeing!
@NeverMeltIce Btw - my creative side on the theorizing about the pokemon world will never change but I have to work within the lore. I really appreciate your support of my content. It means alot to you. Always.
Nope. Manifestations of Imaginations.
Timeline things have been milked dry the past 10 years+… Nintendo Knows it. I know it. Everyone Knows it. It’s tired. It’s boring. It’s been done to death that it’s now just considered to be ‘Lazy Writing’ and plain boring.
It’s definitely themed around Astral Projection and the materialisation of such projections…
1) you have an E4 Champion who is named after an Ancient Hindu Song whose theme is Astral Projection
2) You have a 19th Tera Type given the name Stellar (referencing Stars and celestial bodies) used in Astral Projection rituals.
3) You have a Pool of Water with Tera Crystals that allow for Terapagos to imbue its energy into you as a shroud of mist that allows for the Astral Projection of your internal thoughts.
The Book you receive from the Professor has been manifested and manipulated from the book you gave them that was written by Briar. Terapagos was the one who used your internal brain 🧠 to manipulate the existing physical matter that was your copy of ‘Area Zero’ to make it appear as Turo’s SV Book.
Turo’s SV Book remains unchanged in your possession as you literally have Terapagos emitting energy with you and your Tera Orb due to your condensed exposure to its power.
4)There is no such thing as a working Time Machine…and how does it explain the spawn rates of existing paradox Pokémon if the very same Time Machine is now inoperable???
It’s because it never really existed….a mere manifestation…an astral projection type of power from Terapagos.
5) Terapagos’ design is based on a Dream Catcher, which is more evident when viewed from above.
The Type Tera Crystals that we see are again its own desires and wishes to be every type…and therefore uses this ability as a defensive mechanism.
It uses its Astral Projection system to project a new (19th) Tera Type.
Copium for a theory that is just not true at this point. Sorry.
@@therealdrogane nope 👎
It’s called lazy writing; you can’t just keep recycling the same stuff over and over again without people getting bored.
Have you watched South Park: Joining the Panderverse?
It’s a literal masterpiece of the current zeitgeist…pop culture has wasted away to all bones and no flesh thanks to pandering and lazy writing.
@@therealdrogane you had such beautifully detailed early videos about Area Zero, that were very imaginative and inspiring.
What happened? You’ve gone the opposite direction lately.
As someone who has watched your videos from the start of SV release date…I’m disappointed.
But I do truly hope you can change your mindset the same way that Kieran did at the end of the Area Zero campaign.
@NeverMeltIce I mean it's honestly because the lore told us otherwise. There is literally nothing I can do about that but let me be very clear - I was never on the imagination side. Ever.
@NeverMeltIce I mean I understand where you are coming from but if the lore says they are from a parellel space from time - I mean it is what it is.