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Amusing seeing BZ call others 'normies', the irony being people who do actual work with fleets of servers look at the hobby as a 'normie' thing. Every 'normie' is someone's Alpha.
I'd say using any number of boards at stock settings in servers is an extremely normal use case for a motherboard and therefore.....
very
very
normie.
Servers still rocking them jdec specs
This is where the b550 master is a good board for normies as duel bios is not a bad thing. Going for the extreme OCs it isn't the best, but they are not doing that.
@@jeremyatienza1676 even server can going down even you run them at jedec specs
@@el-danihasbiarta1200 correct.. so whats below normie? lol
"That motherboard is literally in the BLOODY LIST MAN!" - Buildzoid, bloody awesome.
Someone needs to post this section of the video to that reddit guy hahahaha
3 ‘buildzoid’ videos in a short space of time totalling ~4 hrs of content. Love it
Take a shot every time BZ interrupts himself with "Well, actually..." halfway through the first sentence of a response.
I'd rather not die today
BZ is the only person in this space who is allowed to say “well, acktchually” and be able to be taken seriously
Better idea: take a shot for every X570 Tomahawk mention.
"The thing is" kinda works except you'll die from alcohol poisoning.
srnd hrlp pants hsvr brrn shat
"GN limits me to 30min so I gotta make an 1h video so I can ramble some more"
In fact 2 hours and 22 minutes :D
And i love every minute of it :-)
@@laurikuusisto5580 Counting both videos makes it 3 hours 29 minutes? Or was there a third one with rambling about rambling?
@@sliwa95 add 29 minutes due to the clarification thingy
Random guys on GN : good job GN editing to cut short Bullzoid 2 hours rambling into 30 mins video 😁
Same guys also: why my mobo wasn't featured????
It sucks people's attention span is so low that you need to sacrifice quality content to the Algorithm God of Y.T.
*Watch longer videos completely mfers* , you may learn something and the Algorithm God will demand less of the creaters hard work be sacrificed.
1 hour and 7 minutes.
YES.
normally agreed, however the whining is too much for me. Couldn't even make it 5 minutes in .
deminybs To each their own, friend.
Everyone's asking about the Tomahawk coz it was the most popular board in the B450 series. Arguably the most selling board of that gen too. So people are basically expecting the new generation boards to follow suit. But the problem is that board sold for $110 and it performed pretty well for its price, while the b550/x570 tomahawks sell for close to $180/$220 and there are better boards at these price points even for Normies!...Get over tomahawk ffs!
I don’t know of any x570 board with the high end VRM the Tomahawk has for under $400.
THANK you. had to tell off so many people who said they're buying it and I just have to keep asking "why? what does it do that you want that this [insert cheaper board here] doesn't"? happens all the time :( and they never have an answer
I'll freely admit, the B450 Tomahawk (Max) was the first MSI board I ever bought partly because it was receiving such positive assessment. Until then I'd mostly used ASUS and Asrock, with a dribble of Gigabyte. I'd say MSI's B450 rep is well deserved, I was impressed. This doubtless leads to better consideration for that brand in the future, eg. I bought an MSI B450M Mortar Max for an HTPC build, but I doubt I would have done that if I'd never bought the B450 Tomahawk Max. I couldn't find an MSI board that matched my needs for a daily system though, opted for an Asrock X470 Taichi which I'd used before, while for a pro user friend I opted for an Asrock X570 Pro4.
Thus, rep can certainly make a difference, but often it's not the dominating factor for a final decision. Having said that, there are certainly those who stick to a brand and that's it. I can understand that, for a long time I used ASUS and Asrock boards, but in recent years I became less and less enamoured of ASUS, seemed like they were moving away from what once made their original Maximus Extreme series so good (such as the M4E). Asrock isn't immune to dumbassery though, such as the Taichi & Ultimate both having POST debug LED, but only the Ultimate has power/reset buttons even though both boards have the relevant contacts.
Great Job, Buildzoid you're recommendation are great.
i appreciate your effort for covering best motherboard for different use. in the end people choose motherboard for a different purpose in mind some do hard overclocking, some just running at stock, some just make sure it would be faster to loading import media on adobe premiere and not freezing because they work near the deadline and don't wanna stress out, and other have different purposes
Tl;dr "Why didn't msi tomahawk x570 make the list?"
Making a 1h video about a 30' video. Here we go
People are obessed with the X570 Tomahawk because everyone and their mother recommended the B450 Tomahawk. The power of name recognition...
I can explain the Tomahawk need: We are sold on the marketing. I wanted a b450+3000 series combo in mATX.. I found out with extensive finding the Mortar max is my best bet (Even considered what i loose if i fill the Sata/m2/PCIe combos on several boards etc...), yet i managet to not get it. All the avaible b450 x470 era videos were about, "you not really need x470, b450 is enough", then we got the x570 MBs: "if you do not need PCIe 4.0, b450 is good enough... What is the best b450 allrounder on low enoug price, the Tomahawk, tomahawk, tomahawk, we heard it everywhere...
Now as the new stuff dropped, in bigger numbers, we expect, to have the old goodie, be still be the best goodie... and we remember names, not reasoning.
I watched all 3 videos from you now, but still the first thing what i would say for my needs "is a mortar", because i wanted a mortar, i wanted it for more than a year, but i heard it might not be the best for me in the actual minute only for 3-4 hours...
Normies and normie+-es are just work like this :)
Ah time for buildzoid to get in a fight with some redditors
Both sides are sure they know what they're talking about. One of the actual does.
>reddit
@@lawliot If redditors of all people are too capitalistic to you, then time travel is the only solution comrade.
Reddit is full of far left keyboard warriors.
@@nexushexus4365 you can't express your opinion on the site. If you say something different from everybody else in the thread you get downvoted to hell. Cancerous website.
Buildzoid vs the youtube comment section.
This will be good.
Damn I should've started a Tomahawk mentioned counter for this oh well
bUt tOmAhAwK wAs tHe bEsT lAsT gEn aNd i lOvE bRaNdInG
*Take a shot everytime the tomahawk is mentioned.*
*Dies of alcohol poisoning.*
I love how his level of rage just kept going up as people kept talking about the Tomahawk. Towards the end of the video I was laughing so hard every time it was mentioned.
If he has a problem with people mentioning the tomahawk he shouldn't have a video dedicated to raving about it's vrm
@@sharki9876 bad logic
*[BZ's frustration intensifies]*
58:25 Is it weird that I want this as my notification sound? Something about BZ screaming out "STEEVE" in pure agony just gets to me.
I think what people need to remember is that first, Buildzoid looks at several points, and don’t look at other points.
For example, he ranks the boards based on feature sets that he is knowledgable about and cares about, such as the SATA ports, memory, VRM, connectivity, etc., and compares the boards in relations to the price point. He doesn’t really focus too much at things like audio, PCI-e lanes, M.2 slots, looks, fan and ARGB headers, for example.
So you have to understand what exactly he is recommending and what else you have to research on your own.
For example, if a certain boards go on sale and drops the price well below MRSP, then the ratings will change accordingly. Also, he wouldn’t care about the looks of the board, how many fan headers or ARGB headers the board has, where the headers are located for wire management, integrated I/O shield, structural reinforcements, etc.. Like he said, he doesn’t use a case, but a test bench, so his user experience is fundamentally different from the normie users.
So ask the right questions and don’t waste his time. I bought the X570 Tomahawk because it was on sale, and it was available, the Bios is nice, the looks is nice, and it fits my build. That’s all there is. If it didn’t go on sale, I’d buy the X570 TUF Pro or B550 Aorus Pro v2.
You're too logical :P
@@EzioYuio No, Buildzoid is too logical, I cared about AESTHETICS. lol
I have like 7 ARGB fans and 2 hidden stock ones on the bottom. My case is my Christmas tree.
that first comment from the room temp iq redditor had me laughing. I love these type of videos
Bomb king
@@Golden_AceDBD exactly :)
AAAAAHHH
I DIED
@@pcoverthink exactly what I was going to say, that one is going in to my roll-a-dex of insults.
Finally 1H video. Full BZ experience
Thanks buildzoid for putting this video. I saw your video on GN and I was like... "Oh no! I already bought a ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming 3 weeks ago and is not even in the list of BZ recommended motherboards." But this video open my eyes, the mother board bought cover my needs, I dont need that much peripherals but I do prefer the Intel 2.5G Lan and Thunderbolt header that I will totally use, so I paid a bit extra.
What about Crosshair VIII Impact Mini DTX? Is that motherboard good enough for overclocking?
2:12 lmao
Because they already bought the tomahawk and want you to tell them good job.
He also highly praised it in his review.
it's a great board, MSI had to release it due to their colossal fuckup of the gaming edge and pro carbon boards. they totally flubbed on the VRMs of those two boards and Hardware Unboxed actually had MSI reach out to them and confirm the problem.
The Tomahawk was the answer. I don't know if they stopped production on the two bad boards or not, but the tomahawk replaces them at the price point they held.
Very minor detail but at 46:40 the Aorus Pro AX does have an internal type-C and is exactly the same as the Pro V2 but with WiFi 6. The older Aorus Pro AC is the one without type-C.
Previous video: "I am sick and tired of answering questions about motherboards"
i'm a noobie when it comes to OverClocking Processors butt in the near future i will go all out & build a Sweet Rig and take it to the next level, watching You're videos has helped me alot. OverClocking memory modules & changing timings, etc ... has challenged me the most Compared to graphic cards & Cpu's butt i'll get it Sooner or later. Thanx for the Knowledge.
Side Note : i Practice on my Current Rig without getting to aggressive as my Pc is average for 2021.
Ryzen 7 3700x
Xpg 32gb Ram
Msi Mpg x570
Xpg Sx8100 M.2
Msi Mag 240r AIO
Evga 600w 80+ Gold
Msi Optix 27" 144hz
Msi Rtx 2060 8gb SUPER
In Europe the MSI Tomahawk costs 190 euro including tax and the TUF costs 212. So Tomahawk all the way in the x570 category( running a 3950x )
Europian countries like Greece, Portugal, Denmark, Finland and Estonia are members of the EU. While others like Switzerland, Iceland, Norway and UK aren't (well, UK is officially still only trying to escape...).
European countries like Spain, France and Italy have Euro (€) as their currency. While others like Norway, Sweden, Poland, Switzerland and UK don't. Neither of those groups have unified VAT, but country-specific. Also, as countries and economies, all of those countries mentioned are are very, very different from Albania.
For example, MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WIFI seems to be ~220...230 € here in Finland (24% VAT included). You can get Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS for ~170 €, although normally it hovers around the same price. X570-PLUS (Wi-Fi) is ~30 € extra. It would help to avoid confusion, if it'd be clear which Tomahawk is compared to which TUF:
MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WIFI
MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk
MSI B450 Tomahawk MAX
Asus TUF GAMING X570-PRO (WI-FI)
Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (Wi-Fi)
Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS
Asus TUF GAMING B550-PLUS
Asus TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS
Asus TUF B450-PRO GAMING
Asus TUF B450-PLUS GAMING
Asus TUF B450M-PRO GAMING
@@eukariootti1 Slovenia-Eu . MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WIFI 190 euro, Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (Wi-Fi) 212 euro(both including tax 22%)
Hi buildzoid, thanks for the video. Regarding people's fixation on the X570 Tomahawk, you should consider some things to better understand it: first of all, you praised it in your preview/PCB breakdown video of it and commented at the end that it could become your go-to board for overclocking or something to that effect. Secondly, many enthusiasts might be attracted to the smart power stages configuration compared to the similarly priced competitor boards because they like the assurance of having the most accurate VRM readings possible in HWiNFO64 when tuning their systems, be it all-core OC or PBO optimization. Thirdly, and you have touched on it a couple of times, it makes more sense for your EU-based viewers based on the price difference here.
It's strange how the price ordering is different in Europe. BZ's Newegg list has the Asrock X570 Pro4 more expensive than the Steel Legend, but in the UK the Pro4 is significantly cheaper.
Asus TUF gaming x570-pro is more than 60 dollars expensive than the... *drum roll* X570 Tomahawk that I bought instead. Here in Sweden at least.
@@Alexander-iq6bc For one, the video is always just a reference, you always should check for local prices, the video isnt supposed to tell you 'go that board only'. Second, what makes you go for the x570 instead of b550 anyways// yes you saved 60 dollars from the tuf but why not save some more with the b550?
Buildzoid should mention the X570 Tomahawk...
And simple deliver a single line: perfectly unnecessary but otherwise fine
Dark hero and tomahawk x570 kept coming up over and over in youtube.
@Adam West why the sad face? Just like Bz said, it’s a great motherboard. Just $30 too expensive.
first
You can't be first if you run the channel its just not In the rule's lmao
@@lvl3472 BZ: haha first comment goes brrr
dang how does he keep doing this
@@lvl3472 I post my first comments after I shared the video link.
@@lvl3472 I beat him one time by waking up from a nap, opening TH-cam on my PS5, seeing the video posted 16 seconds ago, opened the app on my phone and posted the first comment, then got the video notification. He gives you some time, but you have to beat the bell!
alot of countries have different prices for boards, should mention that in the nexus video, still useful info
Well most people living in their country their whole life should be accustomed to things having different price.
I for example live in Czechia and some electronics can be easily 150$ more than us or UK heck even Germany maybe
@ I'm not sure if this is what Jon meant, but more importantly the price *ordering* of mbds can be different in other countries, eg. in BZ's Newegg list he shows the Asrock X570 Pro4 as being more expensive than the Steel Legend, but in the UK the Pro4 is typically 25 UKP cheaper (I know because I bought a Pro4). This means some of BZ's conclusions that are largely based on price differences are simply not valid in many other places.
Quite why the ordering of SKUs should vary in this way, who knows.
I have to say I feel pretty lucky that so far I did not encounter USB issues on my X570, hopefully it will stay that way.
BZ is a proper react andy now.
For me in Germany is the X570 Tomahawk around 190 €, the X570 TUF Plus [Wi-Fi] around 210 € and the X570 TUF Pro [Wi-Fi] around 220 €. That's why I would by the Tomahawk over the TUF. I think that's why some People ask for the Tomahawk.
This^. X570 Tomahawk is cheaper than Asus TUF Pro which BZ compared it to in the original video, in Europe. The 2 extra SATA ports and the fact that, IN THE US, the Tuf Pro was/is cheaper, was the reason he recomended it over the Tomahawk, he literally said that. If you don't care about the extra SATA ports, and you can find the Tomahawk for cheaper, it's obviously equally good. I think most folks stick to those guides a bit too much and cannot comprehend the fact that prices differ drastically sometimes in the US vs the EU.
i 'd love to see a video about the cheapest b550 boards from each of the big brands ( GB, MSI, ASUS, ASROCK )
that would be the GB b550m S2H, ASROCK B550M-HDV, MSI B550M Pro, ASUS Prime B550M-K.
Just performance, and casual OC with watercooling. no matter if it has fancy postcodes - or millions M.2 Slots.
Just a simple board for gaming and light overclocking.
I just found the omission of the X570 Unify to be odd. The only board, imo, that would have been a better choice is the Taichi.
X570 unify only have 4 sata port (bz like more sata port)
@@rimasari he’s a bit too old school with the outdated usb and sata ports. :P
IMHO, random 4K IOPS perf is way more important than sequent rw performance. Unfortunately, optane doesn't really have any SSD competitive in price and size so far.
@buildzoid my b550 master was junk tbh probably just bios issues still but I sent it back just got an x570 unify already overclocks better in everyday already hit 2000 fclck on 5900x and 5.3 ghz pbo 4000cl18
I also got me a 5900x and the x570 unify, but after watching this video, I wonder if it was the right purchase to get the unify...BZ keeps saying how he wouldn't go for a x570, maybe a more recent B550 would be a more suitable choice, such as the Asus Strix B550 gaming E?
@@dennisw3892 honestly the m.2 on the b550 alone and no clear cmos or dual bios switch id never buy that board again absolute headache to oc otherwise super nice board but bios wouldn't let me go above 1800 fclck at all I'm at 2000 fclck same everything but the board is a x570 unify
@@TheBigjake240 appreciate the input. have you gotten a unify/5900x oc guide for me or possibly some settings you could fire me across? running 2x16gb 32000 CL14 Flare X B-die ram sticks...
@@dennisw3892 just easy stuff for daily run pbo set to motherboard limits and then just try some of the preset msi unify memory timings and go from there 3800cl18 preset on the try it thing is a good place to start should be plenty stable and pbo will do the rest depending on thermals
@@TheBigjake240 i will give it a go. what do you think of the new b550 unify? i am thinking of changing the x570 for it, since I only use 1 gpu / m2 and two ram sticks..? i am still in the return window...
The Tomahawk is 30$ cheaper here then the TUF. It might be the case for other regions. At the end people also need to consider the pricing in their region.
yeah regional pricing really screws up round ups like this. Like some ASUS boards are way cheaper in Europe than the US.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Or specials!
The TUF Pro actually is on sale right now in Canada lol, nice for a new board to get a holiday special.
Too bad I already bought the X570 Tomahawk on discount. But hey, a meh board suddenly gets a lot better when it goes from a mid 200 to a sub 200 dollar board, eh?
Price to feature set ratio, lads. I don’t know why people doesn’t listen.
Tuf pro $265, tuf plus $240 Tomahawk $345 in my country. I choose the pro since it got the usb c and a few improvements
@@MisingNo1 At that price I would too. I got the Tomahawk for basically the same price as the TUF Pro so it was more worth it for me.
Mobo prices are a joke anyway. Ended up getting a TUF X570-PLUS WiFi for less than the wifiless version cost a few months ago because the wifi model's prices are bloody volatile.
If I remember correct the x570 TUF pro has improved memory performance over the Tomahawk?
Right now, there's nothing better than watching this video after having read the comments yourself and hearing BZ ramble about them.
And here I am running 7 1TB nvme drives on my X570 Taichi :p
When Buildzoid gets angry his voice gets a certain Kermit/Jordan Peterson vibe, please tell me I'm not the only one that hears it
Does anyone know if the Asus x570 Tuf Pro T topology or daisy chain?
Daisy chain
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking thnx for taking the time to reply.
I'm only 2min in; but initial thoughts. So what if it was (I know it wasn't) an OC perspective? If a board is built to handle an OC it will just last that much longer at stock! All of your choices were explained nicely in yesterdays video; really liked the discussion on the various memory topologies.
Have to mention one more time the X570 Tomahawk! Opted out for it for Buildzoids earlier video. Maybe don't need all that VRM but why not. Also it was around 195€ when I purchased it, which is totally a OK for my budget :)
Well when *you* purchased it. A lot of people can't. It's as mythical as Ampere and RDNA 2.0 cards. Also the overkill VRM is the only thing that makes it better than the TUF. The TUF has enough VRM plus a few sata ports. Making it the overall better motherboard. Unless you're planning on overclocking a 5950x.
58:25 STEVE!
Some features that are important to me at least in a motherboard : number of Sata, number of Nvme, number of USB, intel Lan V2, ability to flash bios without CPU, ability to reset bios in case i fuck up, an error screen, a decent VRM with a decent cooling...
the bonuses that would make it better : front usb c, wifi 6...
for what i want i found the best choice for me was the x570 tuf pro, for overclocking I'm simply gonna enable my docb(or whatever they call it) for my 3600mhz 16CL ballistix and find a video or post and find the average frequency and voltage to oc my 5800x safely and set it and forget it...
and for 220$ i think it's a good price...
Was looking to hear about the MSI X570 Unify
1 min into the video: NORMIES GET OUT! -bz
about the "Tomahawk" Questions :
Normal peoples decision process is asking someone THEY believe is "(more) competent" then they are what to get... same in every category
The b450 Tomahawk was a overhyped "bang for the buck" mainboard tip on nearly every print or gamers publication (I liked the Mortar max more).. .. naturally a lot of people have bought it, and if you bought something that works, you will recommend it (as you do not have 20 boards around).
So people ask THEIR trusted person that either has or read about the b450 Tomahawk, they will point them to MSI Tomahawk.... and as in every other category, people think "if the b450 was good, the b550 is probably too" (or even only remember the Tomahawk name)
Like the "are you glad with your purchase of a (insert car brand xy)"
.... as I was selling pc parts in retail 30 years ago, people literally came with "their neighbor" the guy that worked at some random place where something was built/worked on with electronics (even if they where dishwashers)
TUFF pro though is not using true 12+2 phase power though.. more like 4+2 and some different layout few review sites noted?
cheapest wifi6 ITX board you would suggest? I'm trying to get wireless VR going.
What headset are you using? Afaik most require a separate pcie card rather than normal wifi.
@@bengraham8833 quest 2 can use any WiFi AX (WiFi 6) card. Does not matter if it's built into the mobo or its added via pcie. In ITX you have no choice of going with a PCIE card since there is only one pcie slot :P
I think the thing with the Tomahawk is how poor the MSI X570 line was, especially considering how dominant they were with B450. The Tomahawk announcement was supposed to be their Q1-Q2 2020 redemption model and then covid just delayed it and it went from a product of interest to something many just forgot about or moved on from. It got coverage separate from all of the other x570s. Feel bad for MSI and several other companies with products slated for Q2 releases last year.
B550 tomahawk's PCIe lanes and M.2 Lanes will downgrade to x2, or even worse, be disabled when using the second M.2. Also, it has internally 1xUSB3.0 instead of 2 on the X570, and no type-c. That's worth the price difference for me ;-)
X570 Tomahawk is the one I like a lot because it has :
Just enough USB ports (Same view as yours currently using like 10 ports)
Wi-Fi (I know you don’t care but I use it every single day and expansion cards cost 30-40 bucks for a good one, I can forgo it if the board has m.2 E port because those cars are 20 bucks for Intel WiFi 6)
BIOS FlashBack
Great VRM
X570 chipset (know it doesn’t matter much but it feels bad paying 200 bucks for a B550)
Great looks (Personal opinion)
Good BIOS
And it does f#ck up in any department
It is not that cost optimised (unlike most Asus boards)
Dark Hero is a unicorn and out of stock til january from most vendors
and mine is on its way via UPS
Same with the 5900x. I have never seen it in stock once in Canada.
The B550M Mortar has been~ £110 for a while now. It's the obvious choice for the best budget AM4 motherboard in the UK (as long as you don't need a ton of USB).
I love rambling Buildzoid. I always learn something
Bill, zoid your your very accurate and your description of everything you've ever put on the internet. You give all the pros and cons whether you're overclocking or not. I'm building my system based off of your not overclocking recommendations and it's looking like a pretty stout system
glad to know I am not the only one left who cares about SATA ports.
USB, SATA and PCI-e the only connectors that matter.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I'd argue for most normie people PCIe doesn't even matter that much as long as they have like 1 or 2, but yeah you can never have too many and they will be infinitely more useful for most people than nice VRMs or a decent BIOS will. :D
I bought a X570 Unify because it was the only one available in March, and I was disappointed that it only had 4 SATA ports. I cut my drives in half, but it forced me to consolidate and I like the board otherwise.
like, who tf wants to pay double the price for an SSD for the same capacity
@@mrle0719 higher benchmarks on m.2?
On PCIe 4.0 SSDs: basically no modern controllers can really fully take advantage of the extra bandwidth of 4.0, in practice you are basically always flash or controller limited, not on the PCIe interface, especially since most realistic use cases are not entirely sequential but have some degree of random operation. So 4.0 drives offer no tangible benefit over good 3.0 drives in practice.
The Tomahawk was one of the first with an impressive VRM, so it got a lot of coverage.
People looking for good motherboards are still finding that coverage today.
Heck, I was considering it for a while!
But now you can barely find the damn things, and since the Aorus has more USB (by, like, a metric buckton), and is also available in WiFi (somewhat important to me), as well as trading blows with all the "normie" features, you successfully changed my mind, saved me a few bucks, and pointed me to an MB that's actually available! Thanks BZ!
I hope another motherboard roundup is coming because I want another rant video to go with it. 😆🤣
"STEEEEEEEEEEEEVEEEE!!!!!" lmao
Like, i get that the Tomahawk boards kinda built a rep for themselves due to the B450 lineup, but other wise, i dont see why they are loved as much as they are. Also, my B550 Aorus Pro V1.0 has an internal type C port. Its not listed on the website, but it has one. No thunderbolt header like the V2 though :(
Anybody thinking about the Asus TUF X570 board with wifi should be aware that there is a known issue where windows becomes corrupt during installation unless you disable the wifi from bios. I work in the service department of a popular computer store that I'm sure you've heard of and I've seen this A LOT.
Thanks BZ! Happy you covered my comment - X570 Unify for best cost effective x570 if priority is overclocking, 3 m.2 and with bonus 2.5gb Lan.
Sorry you were given a tough time with the video though! 30mins time limit is just no good for a comprehensive video, especially not from you! :D
All those comments just wanted the X570 tomahawk
>wanted to feel good about their purchase
@@christenlanger that's even more true.
@@christenlanger also because it's just the best motherboard in the $200 range? It's pretty weird that it wasn't mentioned at all, especially since even GN covered it a while ago.
Well, I just started building my new 5950X system yesterday and I'll have to say that this MSI board, especially the bios, is much better than the gigabyte master x570 I have for my 3900X
@@Michael-wo6ld I also have an X570 Tomahawk and not the TUF. Buildzoid did mention his thoughts about the Tomahawk in a video a while back.
Pretty sure a big part of the reason that people love the x570 Tomahawk is because its a decent board and looks better than the TUF
Hey the comment at 41:19 is probably referring to the x570 Gaming Edge which had garbage VRMs (along with the pro carbon wifi) and the entire reason MSI released the tomahawk after admitting to HUB that they had been able to replicate the issue.
i just got ASUS 570 DARK HERO boy oh boy compare to my previous x570 aorus pro
no chipset fan noise
no dual bios boot loop
just work i got 5950x to run 4.6ghz all core with switch to single core boost...
first timer here, I'm looking at the asus prime x570-pro but was wondering if the vrm or anything about the board would hold 5900x back while PBO is enabled, or would the ROG STRIX-E be a better fit. I intend to use the 5900x for both gaming and music production. Saves me money with a dual use system and as a side not i do like the look of the X570-pro which is why I'm looking at that one
Alright here's actually a question, can you remove the B550 Aorus Master's 2nd bios chip, and then it will stop behaving weirdly? I know some bios chips were removable?
is it really still doable? that seems very 90s to me
hey man. got a question for the memory king. i had an x570 gaming plus, then switched for a gaming edge wifi(before i seen the reviews but so far vrm thermals are good). but through both boards and 2 sets of memory, i have a persisting issue. the memory is 3200 mhz trident z white . i think cl16 . but if i try and enable xmp i lose display, and then i have to clear cmos to get it back. i also tried 3000mhz and locked the voltage to 1.4 . and then it works , but i will lose the display again randomly and have to restart it. im running a 5800x and a 3080 ventus. i swapped everything except power supply which is a 750 focus gold seasonic. and i have another replacement on the way just in case. my question is, is the intel certified trident z just horrible with my choice of boards and cpu. or would it be something else causing this issue?. i really dont want to run 2166 mhz on a 5800x. am i going to have to switch memory to amd certified?. i have asked numerous people and tried everything else i could think off. i really hope it isnt the gpu for obvious reasons. but xmp effecting a gpu seems like a far fetch
So, I had something that might be relevant for you. I was messing with my memory settings and after my 2end monitor refused to output anything. Just black. I figured I fried my motherboard but it didnt make any sense to me why only my second display wouldnt work if my mobo was deas.
As it turned out I broke my display port cable from putting to much strain on it when I was clearing the cmos. So go and check your cable!
X570 Aorus Elite good for a 5800x at stock? I'm just gaming, and have a kraken x73 to cool it - case is a phanteks enthoo evolv atx outfitted with x2 ll140 corsair front intake, 1x corsair ll140mm corsair rear, 3x 120mm on the kraken x73. (Ik 5600x + b550 aorus pro would be same performance and cheaper, but they weren't and still aren't available)
Happy with x570 aorus elite.
Hey guys,
What step by step (with some explaining on the way) guide would you recomend for mem overclocking? Im not new to gpu and cpu overclocking, but i have no clue where to start with the memory, how to stress test etc. Not going for records (probably not even possible with my dominator platinum), just want to tune as best as i can for 24/7 use. Gaming only. Im on z490 apex (got a really good deal, if you want to ask why the hell if i know nothing about mem)
I run an M.2 [gen 3 ] for the boot / program drive, SSD for games and current projects and HDD for archive, Gen 4 M.2 and Multiple M.2 are not value options at this time and the speed gains are not noticeable. For the work you do the SSD's are fast enough and far easier to swap.
I guess when X570 Tomahawk is €190 vs the TUF plus wifi at €230 in my area , the Tomahawk is the obvious choice right?
yeah if the tomahawk is cheaper then go for it.
Great video and thanks again for answering my mobo questions on the quake-ish game stream on twitch :) unify arrived and 5950x ready to go, gonna build today!
In the uk the B550 Aorus Pro AX (v2 but with wifi) is literally the same price as the x570 Tomahawk, sad times because I love the rear IO on that Aorus, but at the same price I might as well go for the X570 option
All the people buying tomahawks with their buyers remorse
VALIDATE MY PURCHASEEEEE REEEEE
Hey Buildzoid appreciate your ramblings on many topics. About the B550 Gaming Edge, it's not really a B550 A Pro upgrade. It's very much an upgraded B550 TOMAHAWK with extra Rear IO and WiFi 6 + BT.
Also, I picked up a mint, used Phanteks P600S (2019) which has a 10Gbps Front type C port. Much better having a type C on the front than the rear IO.
Quick question, BZ. You mention that ASUS says it's Dark Hero can OC BCLK "up to 118MHz in 1MHz steps" but that it doesn't have a clockgen. How does it do that, then? Tweak the PLL? Cascade a counter/divider? How?
i am just a bit confused as to why theres no X570 auros elite on the list. i think it may rival the Asus X570 tuf pricewhise(well where i live the Elite is a lot cheaper actually), cept it gets intel 1gbit lan, vs the TUF gamings 2,5gbit realtek. I think they are relatively similar on the VRM side of things , but i could be wrong obviously. Your take BZ ?
Hey! I am a pure gamer, 1080p 144Hz. I have 4x8 CL16 Crucial Ballistix kit. Should I got for an ASRocK X570-Pro4 motherboard for the T-Topology or should I go with the B550 Aorus Pro-P for the better vram? (running AMD 5600X)
you should make a shirt like this...
"Yea, but what about the X570 Tomahawk"
[Picture of the X570 Tomahawk] [Picture of a gun about to shoot the X570 Tomahawk]
Question: do you think the X470 Aorus Gaming 7 WiFi VRMs can handle a PBO 5900X? I currently have a 2700X in it, and I'm planning to upgrade for that sweet multi core juice
Hey! I am a pure gamer, 1080p 144Hz FPS games. I have 4x8GB CL16 3600MHz Crucial Ballistix kit. Should I got for an ASRocK X570-Pro4 motherboard for the T-Topology or should I go with the B550 Aorus Pro-P for the better vram? (according to buildzoid advice I might say) running AMD 5600X btw.
Thanks!
my take on tomahawk, the b450 were so good the name lifted because of that. Im probably wrong.
lets count how many usb ports I need. mouse, keyboard, mic interface, drawing tab, 2 for external/flash drive/phone, and mybe webcam. 7 usb ports I guess.
Hoping to find some knowledge here.
For AMD Ryzen 5 5600x & RTX 3070, what would be the sweet spot motherboard.
thanks in advance
I wanted to ask this on the GN video but i forgot, how hard would it be to hit 4x8GB 3800Mhz-4000Mhz with low timings on most of these boards? (Specially with TUF Pro or Tomahawk). I am planning on getting a 5950x.
Would the x570 TUF Gaming Pro be comparable to the B550 Aorus Pro V2 for overclocking (CPU and RAM)?
I bought the X570 Tomahawk as it's the cheapest X570 with USB-C & WIFI.
That's it.
What it says on the tin: "Best All-round B550 boards; Best X570 boards; Best Micro-ATX boards; etc."
What we read: "Best All-round overclocking B550 boards; Best overclocking X570 boards; Best overclocking Micro-ATX boards; etc."