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Isn't that board (and probably others) supporting the 3000 APU or am I missing something? www.asus.com/de/Motherboards/ROG-Strix-X570-I-Gaming/HelpDesk_CPU/
Hey Steve, X570 supports 3200G, 3400G and their variants . Its only the B550's that won't support the G series. Chart at 6:36 says it doesn't. Talk about making for confusion in the market place.
@@ValkyrieStarTV That was long time ago, now the naming scheme is totally unnecessary USB 3.2 Gen 1 USB 3.1 Gen 1 SuperSpeed USB 5Gbps USB 3.2 Gen 2 USB 3.1 Gen 2 SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps USB 3.2 Gen 2 x 2 SuperSpeed USB 20Gbps
@@ValkyrieStarTV I agree, don't know how they all agreed upon that ridiculous new naming scheme. Or if they wanted to separate 20Gbps a bit and make it seem like it's more of a "jump", they could have named it USB 3.5...But who knows what they were thinking. Let's hope it all "resets" a bit going forward from USB 4.
_B550 thru A320 having support for 6 480MB USB connections._ Guess it's time to draw my pentagram and place a virgin i3 processor upon the altar as a sacrifice to Lisa Su, our dark lord, for whom we are grateful for our multi-core performance and +10% IPC gains YoY.
yup, my X570 board does have expanded support for the Ryzen APUs. i guess its good for someone that plans on upgrading to a higher end CPU in the future and just wants to get the system up and running in the meantime.
WhatDa FarkenHell your comment is a bit confusing to read, but i get the point. But pc dont use full power at all times, so your "burn out" argument is kinda invalid. Also its storage, not memory :)
@@chexmixkitty Some B450/X470 boards could already support PCIe 4.0 and AMD backtracked here not to confuse customers as some boards of that series could not support it. The same argument also applies here: You would get the same confusion if some B450/X470 boards would support Zen 3 and others wouldn't. Hence I think the chances are slim for MSI's MAX series. (There is a chance that they are not consistent with their own argument though, after all the technical limitations don't apply to that particular series).
Very sad to see B450/X470 won't be supporting on going future ryzen chips. I really hope there is a real reason for this and it's not simply an arbitrary thing designed to pressure consumers into having to upgrade their board. I bought a b450 board to go with my 3600 because I wanted an ITX board and X570 ITX didn't exist at the time (nor would it have offered any meaningful additional features b450 didn't offer in that form factor outside of pcie4.0) and it's kind of annoying to see that I'm apparently stuck on a dead end chipset.
There is a chance your board will add 4000 series in a bios update even though it's not officially supported. Too much confusing bs, for example how many will mistakenly buy B550 and try and stick a 3200G inside it.
@@GeordiLaForgery Maybe but I doubt it. That's really not something board partners will have control over nor would it really be in their interests anyway. They'd much rather sell expensive new boards then have everyone buying old b450 boards. I'm sure that's already cut into x570 sales as it is. AMD said they'd support AM4 until 2020. I guess I should have known that was BS when some 300 series boards locked out 3000 series chips.
@@devilmikey00 The mobo makers also have a massive stock of existing b450/x470 to shift, otherwise it'll just end up in landfill so I hope they do the responsible thing.
Well, he literally said that future support would stop because the bios memory chips literally don't have enough space for all the microcode of supported chips and that removing older models is a legacy support nightmare. What's is it that you do not understand? This is literally just a hardware limitation with no viable workaround.
Super sad. Bought an X470 motherboard with my Ryzen 9 3900x since X570 was such a terrible value at launch. Really regret it in hindsight, but I feel this should have been communicated beforehand
It's also disappointing because it appears to completely arbitrary. Only done to push new board sales via forced obsolescence and nothing more. I'm stuck in the same boat as you. Bought a b450 board because I wanted the ITX form factor and neither x470/x570 options offered anything extra that a b450 board didn't (pcie4.0 excluded on x570). Now I'm stuck on a dead end chipset. I was actually thinking of dropping in an 8 core 4000 ryzen chip if the IPC uptick of Ryzen 3 was decent but I guess not now. I'm not buying a new board again.
I like the website. It makes reading graphs easier aftewr you've watched the video, but you don't have to back and scrub through the video again to find it
You need to fix the table. X570 and B550 both supports Zen 2 and will support Zen 3 (the table only mentions Zen 3). Also, people need to remember that after Zen 3, the socket will be replaced to AM5 which I don't think will be backward compatible with AM4, and that will happen probably in 2021.
I'd actually prefer a 'downgrade' to B550, the X570 chipset fan bugs the hell out of me (I'm surprised there are no aftermarket kits). The fan on the Asus X570-P is meant to be silent but that is BS. I can hear it from 1,500 rpm, which just happens to be about the minimum because the XFX 5700XT THICC2 (it was cheap and it doesn't actually suck) blocks it. Asus or XFX is out of spec as the only way to get the card seated is to push from the back of the motherboard too. Currently waiting for a THICC3 heatsink kit to be sent out, but there's some sort of logistics issue... It's so tight that I had to break the PCIe x16 locking tab when I removed it (the metal look is cosmetic, it's actually not that strong) to track down where the coil whine was coming from. I've currently got the GPU to keep spinning which does help a lot, but that little bastard will spin up in games. Anyway, only piping PCIe 4.0 to the top x16 and M.2 slots is a decent compromise which would be fine for most people. Especially if it gets rid of the useless PCH heatsink (most of the surface area is thick plastic) and I not sure why Asus thought putting a fan in the area normally covered by GPU heatsink was a good idea. There is something wrong with the x570 chipset, it drains power even when not in use (just a sound card), I could understand if I was moving data between the 2nd m.2 and a bunch of data drives. Steve's BFF did a video, I wonder if AMD did respond? 🤔 PS: Asus' AI suite also sucks as it won't display the chipset temp (just motherboard and CPU, package temps) when there are actually NINE temp sensors on the motherboard!! I just want VRM (which isn't even labelled) and chipset. Plus, Asus is about the only company that doesn't offer control over the chipset fan, despite loads of requests. /I'm glad I got that out of my system. Wooooosa....
I know you've had some content queued up due to NDA's, but the amount and quality of content over the past 2 weeks has been excellent. No where else can I get the PC enthusiast product minutia I crave. You guys are killing it, thank you!!!
AMD can easily support 4000 chips even on a320(some a320s even support 3950x) b350 and x370 boards, let alone x470 and b450. That BIOS chip size excuse is complete BS, some new x570 boards have 16MB chips and they will support 4000 chips. Even for some BS reason 16MB chips don't have the storage for all the AM4 chips, motherboard makers can easily make 2 bios versions with, let's say, only Ryzen 1000 and 2000 chip support, and another with 3000 and 4000 chip support. That is IF AMD allows them to. After all it all comes to money, and AMD is a company. And companies need to make as much money as possible. Except this move will hurt AMD rather than helping it.
I doubt amd gains anything from not supporting an older board. It's the board manufacturers that are losing money by supporting older boards. If anything, amd gains more money by supporting old boards since only the cpu matters for them. Why would amd intentionally cut off support unless it's just not feasible? If you want to throw out conspiracy theories, at least make it believable.
@@Wheres_my_Dragonator The only reason they're not compatible is bios storage yet some BIOSes have enough storage space so it's definitely possible. I just don't think that the average Joe that walks into a store to buy a mobo is going to recognize the difference between the b450 tomahawk and tomahawk max or will assume that since one b450 board or x470 board can do it all can do it. This could create outrage among the average joes who are not really enthusiasts. I think AMD just feels like it's not worth the bad press.
Do you belive you could make a board on AM4 and sell in freely? Every third party company (asus, gigabyte, etc ...) is paying a certain % of their mobo income to the giants (Intel/Amd/Nvidia).
@@Wheres_my_Dragonator I don't think logical evaluation of the situation is a conspiracy theory. Unless someone can prove me wrong, that's what I think is going on.
It is not so simple. OEM partners either have to buy certain parts from the big three or pay them if they want to use their products or features. For example buildzoid recently covered a older EVGA board, during (board's time) Nvidia forced OEM's to buy their SLI support chip, when in reality that chip had no purpose. Today they may not force partners to buy extra parts anymore, but instead just taking a slim piece from the sales. It is a common practice in other industries, so why would it be any different here.
Blame the cheap penny pinching motherboard makers with their anemic bios sizes. Had they all put 16mb or 32mb+ from the start, there'd be zero problem.
I don't really know what you mean, but if you want to buy b550 there is no reason, except cheaper processors, to go for a 2000 series processor. These boards will likely be more expensive, and if you really need the new b550 features just get a 3000 series processor. What most people are upset about, me included, is the fact that ryzen 4000 will not work on b450, which goes directly against amds promise, and peoples expectations.
@@vyor8837 some do, it all depends on if the manufacturer put a large enough bios flash to store the information of the new ones. The hardware physically supports it it's just whether or not the bios has enough space to be updated to support it.
@@vyor8837 According to hardware unboxed and Amd themself they will not release ryzen 4000 to b450 in any capacity(This is only their current plan, and may change if enough people call them out for this). Since there is already a big backlash, i think Amd will in fact reconsider. This however is not confirmed, and can't be trusted upon. If Amd doesn't release an agesa version that supports b450 and ryzen 4000m motherboard companies will not be able to support ryzen 4000 even if they wanted to. It's all up to amd at this point
It was bound to happen sooner or later. Demanding that motherboard manufacturers continue supporting new CPUs on discontinued out-of-warranty boards indefinitely does not make much sense. Not much different from previous AMD sockets where newer CPUs were only officially supported on the "+" socket variants. You could say AM4 has now entered its AM4+ phase.
8:49 The USB speeds... you guys are geniuses. I don't know if it was your idea of your video editor's idea or what but that was utterly brilliant. And I love the stab at the official naming.
I just did a rebuild on my computer a month ago. Wanted to wait for the 4000's, but computer was dying. Didn't want a x570 because I didn't like having to deal with a proprietary fan on the board. So I went with the B450 Tomahawk MAX partly because it was a new design with larger bios to handle the extra cpu numbers. I went with a 1600af and just 16GB of 2666 to save a little with the idea that latter I would get an 8 core 4000 and 32GB of what ever speed memory would be best for it. I made these choices based on over a year of looking into options and how things went with the 3000's vs older boards and AMD's "claim" to support am4 to 2020. Now they pull this crap? I feel like I have been scammed by amd. The scam is to force people to buy a new chipset they don't really need or want just to get the a 4k.
@@qzbnyv Is your insinuation that he should have known AMD would renege on the promise that they would support AM4 until 2020? This isn't just a small group of people. A LOT OF PEOPLE bought b450/x470 boards to go along with their 3000 chips because x570 offered no real great features (PCIE 4.0 is irrelevant for 99% of people) for a large price increase. If AMD had let everyone know this LAST YEAR when x570 launched that b450/x470 wouldn't support anything past 3000 it have stunk but at least we'd have had that knowledge when we were making are purchasing decision.
It'd be cool to see a clock normalized test of the R5 1400X, 2200G/2400G, 2300X, 3200/3400G and 3100/3300X, a gathering of 4c8t chips from zen1 through zen 2
@Gamers Nexus The tech media just has been burned from this decision as well, recommending B450/X470 for such a long time and not putting much more pressure on AMD to get B550 in order backfires right now. If you had known in advance that X570 is "more future proof" in CPU support, that would have been a major selling point for these high end boards and would have made AMD look stupid to not have a B550 chipset available on time to cover the entry- to mid-level market. But the tech media exonerated AMD on this point because B450/X470 was still readily available and at least it was assumed from many to be compatible with Zen 3. So where is the rage in the tech media now? It also highlights that their current platform strategy isn't great at all. Their reliance on Asmedia just bit them hard with the 500 series (having to sacrifice their I/O die for X570 and the need to delay B550 for a year). AMD should put much more effort into their platform (timing and feature wise). As Gamers Nexus argued about in the past about letting third parties handling the chipset production we now clearly see the downsides, as no third party has the same incentive as AMD to do it right and on time. It is a contract but the existance of the company doesn't rely on it. In my opinion this whole mess shows that more integration is in order here to have more control over their own platform (e.g. in-house-development of the chipset) and lessen the reliance on third parties. It is not a distraction, the platform is an important part of their core business.
That's the point: AMD wanted to sell out B450 and X470 boards before announcing this BS. Now people who want to upgrade are forced to buy newer board anyway.
First I have to say, Kudos to you man! You're on top of it all and always deliver solid information in a clear and precise manor! Second, My Asus Maximus VII Formula kicked the bucket. I was planning upgrading to the 5900x and a x570 board. Preferably the Dark Hero but both are impossible to get and both Asus and AMD have no time table for re-release and I know that the bots will swoop in and get them before I have a chance any way. I always buy the top I can when I need to upgrade then re-up every 6 or so years, picking up used stuff along the way. With DDR4 and now PCIe 4.0 it was time to re-up Currently I can get a B550 ROG Strix-E Gaming which has the passive cooled Chipset, which is why I wanted the Dark Hero X570, Passive chipset cooling (I hate additional fans) + Additional PCIe 4.0 lanes (I just know they are faster) I constantly Photo/Video Edit, Draft in CAD and create 3d Renderings. SO...I was stoked about the jump in speed with PCIE 4.0 and wanted to run 2 M.2 Nvme Drives to speed up my work flow. OS on one and Storage and Scratch disk on the other. I'm still a little lost with the difference between the capabilities of B550 and X570. If I am running Windows on one of the M.2 slots at PCIe 4.0 NVME would the other m.2, by default, run at PCI3 3.0, Do I have that correct? Also, If the GPU is running at PCIe 4.0 would the m.2 running the OS drop to PCIe 3.0? I'm a little confused. Thanks man, I like the Iron Maiden reference too.
So, AMD says they look at the comments and listen to their customers? Well listen to this, it's total bs that AMD is saying nothing under B550 will work with next gen Ryzen. Maybe it wouldn't be as egregious if B550 came out a year sooner, but instead you have all of us people who bought new 3000 chips with older B-class motherboards because we didn't need X-class boards. If the new B-class was out sooner, we would have bought it over the older B450, but it wasn't. So now that AMD screwed around and didn't get out B550 out in time, all of us who didn't need a premium motherboard are screwed when it comes to future upgrades. Thanks AMD. I understand that there is only so much room on a bios, but maybe you should have thought of that sooner and instructed manufacturers to keep that in mind when designing a board. And if it's too late now to add support for 4000 series on older motherboards, then you should have optional bios codes available that does away with support for older cpus and can support only 4000, or maybe 3000 and 4000 if they'll both fit. But seriously, AMD, it doesn't mean that much to stick with the same socket for 5 years if a ton of boards have no upgrade path now, even though the cpu will still physically fit in the socket. We all bought B450 because YOU said there would be backwards compatibility through this year. Now you're reneging? You screwed up by not getting B550 out sooner, now you need to make it right to all of us who were STUCK buying an older chipset .
Some b450 motherboards have bigger bios memory size than x570 boards. The max b450 boards were given the larger memory specifically so they could support multiple generations of CPUs.
I don’t know what you read or what promises AMD made you. I got a x570 because 1) it is already incompatible with Zen 2+ out of the box (bios upgrade needed) and 2) because I wanted to future proof my build a bit. Im glad to hear it will be compatible with x570. Sorry if you bought an older board and it won’t be 🤷🏻♂️?
@@douglaspianta4187 It's awesome that some motherboard manufacturers had the foresight to do that, but I think AMD should have mandated it for all boards. It's not like it costs anyone but a few extra dollars at the very most to put a higher capacity bios rom on their boards. But the worst part about this is that AMD said they weren't going to allow manufacturers to support older cpus on their upcoming boards. I don't know how they can block it since manufacturers will obviously have the code for future processors, but what do I know.
@@Shadow__133 They literally made a huge deal out of supporting AM4 up until 2020 back when ryzen was first launched in 2017. It was one of the big selling points of going with AMD over intel. You'd be able to buy a board and keep the CPU relevant for 3 years. They reneged on that. He has every right to be ticked off. Especially since the only way to get a sub 200 dollar board when 3000 series came out was to buy b450/x470. Like he said if they'd released b550 alongside the 3000 launch none of this would be a problem. Instead they delayed it a year and a ton of folks who didn't want expensive motherboards opted for b450 because who cares? AMD said they'd support future updates and PCIE 4.0 isn't a big deal. Whoops, turns out that was BS and now an entire years worth of folks buying AMD cpu's just had their upgrade path yoinked from underneath them.
@@Shadow__133 When they said AM4 was going to be their platform for 5 years nobody thought that meant that even though the socket is going to stay the same, some boards won't work with some chips. The implication was you could buy an X370 at launch then upgrade your cpus throughout the life of AM4. Of course bios updates will be needed, the code for future cpus hadn't been written yet. I'm glad you have an X570 board, but dont be elitist about it. I have 5 computers less than 2 years old and one has an X570 in it. This isn't only about you and me. I'm speaking up for everyone who has to spend their money extremely wisely when building a computer. I'm speaking for all of the people that have made the 3600 the best selling cpu. Most of those people probably paired it with a B450, thinking they would be able to upgrade to Zen 3 down the road. That's what they've been told by every tech outlet after all. And the reason I'm making a big fuss is because AMD says they listen to their customers. This move isn't best for their customers and it doesn't have to be this way. They can fix. They can release code to support any of these cpus on any of these boards and they should.
I guess it allows you to upgrade your motherboard while keeping your cpu, if you wanna do that for some reason. Doesn't seem like something that a lot of people would need though
I mean...not at all, no. If you bought the first generation of motherboards, you could use the first two generations of chips, and the better designed motherboards support third generation. Now, we're in, functionally, the third wave of boards, and if you wanted to do a build today, say your a320 fails, ports fail, whatever..you could buy a $160 x570 motherboard. And that's it. Everything else, including your first gen 1600 works. You can buy a motherboard, today, to fit a first gen ryzen CPU. I don't know what the future brings, I don't know what x670 will support, but that means four years of NEW motherboards that will take that perfectly usable OG chip. That's a cycle I'd like to see pushed forward. Compare that to intel, where sometimes they had sockets that lasted a _single year_. Say you bought a chip in 2014. The chip is still good. It still WORKS. But in 2019, half the RAM slots on your motherboard dies. You're either hunting for a a three generation old motherboard, to go with your still fully functional CPU that gets you 60+ frames in most games you play, used, or buying a new CPU. Nothing lasts FOREVER. But with AMD's system, you have overlap. When Intel rolls out that new socket for their 10'th series chip...how many people will have a legitimate need for that? Currently, no one. It doesn't do anything for you, functionally.
What's great about Zen is that technically you don't really need a chipset to get a good variety of I/O. There's an onboard I/O controller with USB, SATA, and 10gbe that just require a physical interface.
@@geepsu666 also why the hell would anyone from the the beginning of Ryzen even bother upgrading to Zen3 when Zen4 will be 5nm and most likely need a new mobo again for DDR5/5nm support, it's fucked up and i'm pissed
didn't AMD say back in 2017 that they will release a new chipset in 2020, and that all current mobo's(b350 x370, b450,x470) will be supported until 2020?
@@twanc156 If it's a large enough upgrade, either get high end Zen 2 then wait till Zen 4 to upgrade, or wait for Zen 3 , then upgrade on Ze 5. If an upgrade is for productivity, and that upgrade now pays for itself with significant time savings over the next few years, it's worth the investment. If it's an upgrade 'just because', then wait.
Very few people will upgrade to Zen 3, since you have to buy separate motherboard for it, people will just stay on their B450 Ryzen 3600 until Zen 4 or Zen 5 comes out.
I’m so happy right now that I did buy a X570 and not a b450 since I’ve always planned to upgrade to Zen 3! Sometimes you’re lucky... Wonderfully made video btw! Very clear and to the point.
I really hope AMD reconsiders Zen 3 support for X470. I got a nicer board specifically so I could upgrade to Zen 3. I don't care about gen 4 pcie I just want the faster clock speeds :(
Yup, kind of a kick in the nuts isn't it? They made a big deal back in 2017 saying they would support AM4 until 2020 and that was already half untrue when some 300 series boards never got 3000 support and now they are just saying fuck it.
They say that Ryzen 3000 is not supported on A320, but almost all terrible A320 boards lists Zen 2 CPU's as compatible - some of the even support Ryzen 3950X. So there is hope.
Man I need to start learning more I stopped watching for a few months and I come back and you are going crazy with the complex explanation. It’s good once I learn some more love your videos.
I am extremely upset. I waited until December 2019 for B550 because I kinda had a feeling something like this would happen. It didn't come out and won't come out till like June but I bought a B450 Tomahawk Max with the 32mb chipset so I am livid at this news and it's really not right... AMD fix this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@ryanm8067 Rumored +15% IPC + higher clocks is nothing to sniff at. ASnd im in the same boat as A C. I bought a B450 Tomahawk Max because there wasnt a single appealing (= non fan and less expensive) X570 Board when i upgraded from my Haswell and i planned to put in a Ryzen 4000 into it once released. Now i will need a new board and the resale value of all B450 Boards will drop. And i know a lot of other people whi did something similar because they also considered Y570 as garbadge when they upgraded from older platforms and expected to have at least one more upgrade on this platform available. AQnd thats especially shitty for the B450 and X470 Mainboard that got refreshed for Ryzen 3000 to be an alternative to the uninterestring X570 platform.
I waited and you should have too. There was tech news about the B550 chipset everywhere during that time. Now I know B550 is shyte I'm going for the X570 Tomahawk instead of the Asus x570 prime p/csm. th-cam.com/video/2LM0CZZ9Uw8/w-d-xo.html
Thanks a lot for this video Steve. My brother is fairly new to PC building and he's looking to upgrade his A320 motherboard. Couldn't share with him a better resource than this.
You would probably be better off putting that money into ether an higher core Zen2 or a GPU upgrade. Why is everyone all of a sudden want to pair B450 with Zen3, it’s like putting a Sports car engine in a hatchback, it may run faster but it doesn’t improve any other element of the car. A GPU upgrade would likely be a better spend.
I agree. 3700x is very good cpu... and there is 3950 is you really want to get more speed! This year we Also will get some interesting gpus that will five more speed.
@@haukionkannel It depends on if IPC is more important then cores to you. No upgrade in the 3000 line will net you increased single core performance. If you're a gamer who bought a 3600 and you thought maybe you might sell that off and upgrade to 4600 (or whatever it's called) to take advantage of the increased IPC then a 3950 isn't going to be a useful upgrade.
I hope AMD gets pushed back on their decision not to (even unofficially) support the 300 and 400 series Motherboards for Ryzen 4000 CPU's like they did with the 3000 series. Many 300 and 400 series boards were built with cheap components, since motherboard vendors have never really taken AMD boards seriously until X570. There were however really good boards too, like the Crosshair series for example (I own a X370 Crosshair VI Extreme) which are massively overkill for pretty much any Ryzen CPU. Its been shown that PCI-E 4.0 used to work fine on the better boards, but because AMD didn't want confusion about which boards can handle it and which can't, they Removed that functionality in the AGESA code. (Wish someone could create a modded BIOS with it re-enabled) I'm guessing AMD is once again trying to weed out those weaker 300 and 400 series boards while sacrificing everyone who bought good ones. I don't buy the excuse i've heared about the BIOS ROM size not being large enough, as thats why the MSI Max series of boards were made (32mb), and the Current largest BIOS size for my ASUS board is about 10mb. I always build my computers to last a good 8 years, and resell parts if possible, so as not to add to the mountains of E-waste. I refuse to upgrade my perfectly servicable high end motherboard and feed into useless consumerism.
@Comeonregister Having upgraded from a Phenom II X6 System, I'm well aware of how long AMD's sockets last. It was pretty clear that Zen 3 was going to be on AM4 from the getgo. My point was that there doesnt (yet) appear to be any legitimate reason for locking compatibility with past generation boards. The pin count is the same, the boards still use DDR4, PCIE-4.0 is on the CPU side, there doesnt appear to be any power constraints, and i doubt BIOS size is an issue as was claimed. Sacrificing everyone who bought good or high end boards, because others bought cheap A320/B350 boards which *might* cause issues is insulting to the DIY audiences intelligence at the very least. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
not every board maker had that 32gb of rom, thus your ire would be better directed at them for not using them universally. Maybe we can expect MSI to enable support due to using the larger rom size. From what i'm told the cost of those 32gb roms are significantly higher than 16gb which may be a factor.
Man I'm so glad I found this channel. Even if I don't need to know any of the info, your perfect deadpan delivery of savage put downs gets me every time!
@@noctrk161 at least x370,b350 can still support 3000 series ryzen just need to update bios from manufacture. not like intel, every series is different mobo.
@@bubblegumgun3292 How is it a middle finger to B550? People who get B550 probably get it with a new Ryzen 5 3600, with an option to upgrade to Zen 3. I got my B450 a week ago with no option to upgrade further, because the support was cut.
Candisa buy cheap 3950 next year! When next gen 5000 series get released! Amd cpus get really affordable when They Are two generations old. And you will get cpu that will beat anything Intel have ready by that time!
I'm afraid it's not going to pan out exactly the same this gen, with Ryzen 4000 being the last gen on AM4, and if it does not have a great IPC and frequency rise from 3000, then there's no incentive for 3000 to get any cheaper. Add in all the people now on x470 and b450, seemingly locked from upgrade path to 4000 and I see an enormous demand for 3700x, 3800x, 3900, 3900x and 3950x which will keep the prices up, especially the last three skus
@@ЛюбомирДинков Exactly. Who bought zen 2 is locked in a corner, zen 3 is a dead end since am5 will come out next year. Upgradability between zen + and zen 2 wasn't guaranteed.
@@haukionkannel A 3950 is a way too nice CPU to put in a mid-end B450 ITX board, and honestly I have no use for it anyways. I'll probably just use this system as is, it should be plenty for years ahead, and just build something new when needed. It's just that I've probably would have gotten a 3700X instead of a 2600 had I known there was no upgrade path to Zen 3.
I'm a simple man... I hear an Iron Maiden reference from the dude that is doing a deep dive technical overview of a new platform, I hit the like button..
Wanted to ask what difference the chipset going from gen 3 to gen 4 makes for regular PC users as I'm trying to decide whether to get an x570 or b550 mobo.
Thank you for all the work that have been done Steve 👍🤘 But, in the official AMD slide at 3:05 in the line "AMD Ryzen 3000 with Radeon Graphics" (AKA 3200G and 3400G) we can see that it's compatible with X570 and not B550 while in your comparison you say that it is not with both. I'm confused right now 🤷♂️
This might just be my opinion, but this was the reason I hadn't bought a new motherboard/processor (rocking an i5 7600k). Every youtuber was recommending a B450 Tomahawk when it was never stated that it would support Ryzen 3rd gen and in my opinion, the ones who are mad that they got that and can't upgrade, you certainly can get a 3900x which might be significantly cheaper come next gen
This is a GREAT piece!!! To follow up on my original comment about zero views: After watching the 16 minute video the count went to 2,530 views with 253 likes and 4 dislikes. LOL
To all you guys with A320, B350, and $80 b450 boards... did you really expect to actually upgrade CPU’s without a motherboard change? Like.. sure currently Zen is behind but I’m sure there will be $100 options for B550 if you want Ryzen 4000, and if you’re concerned about $100 why don’t you spend that money on a better graphics card instead? AMD said they would support AM4 until 2020. A 3300x and 3100 are both new processors that will work on at least some B350 boards. They technically held true to their promise. Sure you may feel mislead, but they’re a multi billion dollar corporation. They don’t care about you. Over 90% of CPU sales are of people that buy new boards for a new system, if were actually going to put a Ryzen 4000 chip in your b350 board, you are the minority of a minority. AMD is in a good position now, they don’t have to be as competitive. Now they are going to start focusing more on server chips and mobile chips because that’s where money is really made, and where they can really gain more market share. AMD already has 90% of new cpu purchase market share, not much room to grow there. But they have less than 10% of the server market. If you were a corporation trying to make as much money as possible, what would you focus on? We have to remember that both intel and AMD are simply corporations with shareholders. They want their customers to be happy, but they will always prioritize shareholders first. The only reason they want the customer to be happy is because that’s what sells processors. Also remember that AMD doesn’t make much of any money from motherboard sales, so they simply did what they believed was the right choice in order to assure that people don’t put processors in boards that motherboard manufacturers may or may not still be doing bios updates for. It sucks for very, very few people relative to their overall market.
This move by AMD gonna backlash them hard......its clearly a moved to clear the b450 and x470 stocks! They should told their customers during x570 launch or something..and give a timeline when the B550 going to be available....AMD will always be 2nd tier behind Intel because of this stupid moves....Right now rocking R5 2600x with B450 since 2018...was thinking upgrade to r7 3700x, but might be bad moved since only 1 leap generation, and probably wait for r7 4700x to be available, and i'm good for next 4 years till DDR5 come to the market...with this move, R7 and R9 cpus will be what Intel with their previous i7s....stupid expensive previous gen CPUs that's still expensives in 2nd hand market....Hopefully Intel will kick their asses for the next wave of new CPUs architecture!!!
Lol you're talking out of your ass, Intel is changing mobo for each and every gen without any need, and amd did that after 3 gens with sunstantial change in architecture and node
I had to say that "Officially supports" row is kinda messed up because B550 will drop previous CPU support, while on B450 I can use not only Zen2, but Zen1 alhough.
Brian Mulrooney it is very likely amd has released new motherboard with allmost all cpu generations. It depends on if amd goes to am5 socket at 2021 or not. If They don`t go, then 570 will be fine compared to Intel 490. And amd can release x670, x 690 and b650 boards at 2021 for Zen3+.
There some conflicting information shown in this video, your charts say B550 wont have pcie 4.0 but the image at 15:00 shows B550 is pcie 4.0 not 3.0 like you say? Would seem odd if amd went backwards in evolution on the b550 and removed pcie 4.0 to leave in old pcie 3.0 like the 4xx boards?
I think the chart you are referencing is about the chipset, the B550 PCIe 4.0 is directly connected to the CPU instead of through the chipset, which does have PCIe 3.0 lanes.
So the extra features the board has at the time of purchase isn’t enough? Sorry but if your reasoning for splashing the extra money is hope it’s theoretically going to be supported longer despite no claims made to be that, then you really need to reconsider your purchases.
Well I guess that's one way to interpret what I said I suppose, go with the most negative interpretation so you can be salty. Relax, you are worthy, you are loved, by someone somewhere. Take a deep breath and just......relax. Peace !
Couldn't agree more. I specified X470 b/c that's what I bought :) We'll see if AMD goes full-on Intel or if this is a one-off middle finger to the customer.
Samuel White Ryzen 400 will be used in am4 socket so They did keep the ”promise” They did not say that all am4 socket using motherboards does support all am4 based cpus... yeah... I know it does not help. I Also was hoping one more year to old motherboards. All the 400 series motherboard owners just need to wait the 3950 to become cheap and They will have cpu for the next 10 years! 3950 should be fast enough to most task I can think of...
Good afternoon, friend. Just a quick question - When you say X570 + B550 don't "officially support" 3000 series APUs, what exactly do you mean by this? My question arises because I've used a 3400G with X570 in the past, with no noticeable issues.
Stop panicking. Don’t be pressured to upgrade to the latest and greatest technology just because it’s better than your current setup. If your Pc functions and it’s not dying when you boot up a game, let it be. This comment section is consumerism at its finest.
AMD crapping on all the b450/x470 motherboard buyers. so they are keeping the same socket, but they just aren't allowing people to use newer chips on older motherboards....so they have to buy a new one anyways. am4 was supposed to end after ryzen 3 anyways right? why not just allow the support? is it a money grab?
nah I don't think it's a money grab. In my opinion, they really planned for those chipsets to run Zen 3, but some problem came up with it that they couldn't overcome. I'll give AMD the benefit of the doubt here. They kind of deserve it.
kind of the same thing when they tried not to support zen 2 on b350 i do actually believe in bios size limitations, there's a reason x570 doesn't support zen 1, but i still think that like b350 and x370 eventually some mobo manufacturers with larger bios chips will give their b450/x470 and maybe even b350/x370 boards zen 3 support, perhaps while dropping support for zen 1.
My plans of running a 4700X on my X470 are dashed. The luster is off AMD's star, and they are revealed to be no less shitty than Intel. I knew they were equal in this capacity, I have both red and blue platforms. But now seeing this much shorter than expected range of compatibility with the pretty X470 (in white), I will have to know I can only put the second to best CPU series into my little budget treasure. The thrill is gone. :(
I'm betting there's gonna be some third party modded BIOS that allows you to use zen3 with B450 boards. It's happened in the past, and this a prime platform for it seeing as how it's so popular.
RTX 30 series will require Mother-Boards with PCIe 4.0 (B550 or X570) They will be compatible with Mother-Boards with PCIe 3.0 however, their memory bandwidth will be significantly reduced.
@Shirou Kotomine Here is a list of the main differences. Which one is better is going to depend on your build and preferences: CPU: X570 supports older and newer processors. B550 only supports gen 3 and newer. Storage: x570 supports two PCIe 4.0 m2 drives. B550 only supports one with PCIe 4.0 and another with 3.0. So if you plan to use two nvme drives, and need really fast transfers speeds on both, then go x570. PCIe 16x (GPU) slots: x570 supports PCIe 4.0 for multiple 16x PCIe slots. B550 only supports PCIe 4.0 for the top slot (GPU) with PCIe 3.0 for the rest. This is probably not a big deal unless you plan to run SLI, or a bunch of extra cards, or something exotic like that. Even then, a graphics card isn't going to be bottle-necked by a 3.0 slot. Networking: X570 supports 5 and 10 gig lan. B550 only supports 1 gig. USB: X570 supports more USB 3.2 ports and more overall ports.
@Shirou Kotomine You could add another M2 drive, but the read/write speeds won't be as good for the second one because it will be using PCIe 3.0 instead of 4.0. Not sure about the audio. I think x570 boards draw more power in general, which is why they generally have cooling on the boards. Also the LAN difference doesn't seem to be universal. I've run across some x570 boards still using 1 gig. And unless you're transferring stuff around a local network a lot, with 5 or 10 gig switches, the bottleneck will still be your ISP.
I don't care as long as ryzen 5000 apu's aka Zen 2 based, work on b450. AMD said that AM4 would be supported through 2020, they made no mention of which chipsets that would include. Based on their statement on the full press pack AM4 may go beyond that. Supporting socket AM4 only covers DDR4 ram and coolers, anyone who has read that different hasn't fully comprehended the original statement from 2017.
Well Thanks AMD.... i bought a B450 Tomahawk Max and a Ryzen 3700X, already planning to upgrade to Ryzen 4000, just 2 month ago. There was no B550 and X570 has a fan and to expensive boards. Now i will need a new board and the resale Value of my current one drops considerably.
Are you trolling? Because thats a really stupid waste of money, basically just feeding an adiction... If its work related, and you needed higher performance and money wasn't an issue then you could have bought a higher end CPU in the first place, rather then rebuilding your system every generation...
That’s what I’m looking forward too, if all you outraged by this all want to upgrade for the slightly better performance in games Zen3 will give please go ahead. Looking forward to those bargain Tomahawks and 3000 series CPUs hitting the market.
@@backupplan6058 actually yes, that was my plan. drop the 3700x when it still has some value, invest 100-150€ and get a zen3. But when i need a new Mainboard aswell thats out of the question and i will simply wait a generation.
@@William-Morey-Baker The only 'higher-end' CPUs available just add more cores. For some workloads that might be great, but for most games, and some production workloads higher IPC*clocks is the only way to gain higher performance, and there is really no option for that above a 3700x on Zen2. Zen 3 is the logical upgrade path to gain IPC, but AMD are being a PITA and stubbornly not allowing it. It's not cool, and it's horribly anti-consumer. They need to be taken to task over it. (Also, swapping CPUs for a faster one hardly qualifies as 'rebuilding your system', it's like a 15 minute job)
Hey Steve, did I happen to miss the link you mentioned at 2:43? Can't seem to find it in the description, or at least nothing that'd give the impression that's the video you're referring to... 🤷♂️
Yep same xD have a 2600x still paired with my 2070 super. (Did a GPU upgrade first). But now I'm stuck to either 3000 or get a b550 board and hope to see that ryzen 4000 will be a very big increase over 3000 series cpu. Making it actually worth getting for several years till another upgrade is needed again.
@@Pand0rasAct0r_ my bet is to just wait for zen4. That'll be on ddr5. Just do a whole system upgrade then if you want to do that. Getting a new mobo JUST for zen3 is silly.
Oh come on, the only time to summon Bruce Dickinson is at 2 minutes to midnight, but only if you have a Fear of the Dark, though you can't be Afraid to shoot strangers but you'll have to Be quick or be dead, it's as if Maiden set themselves up for these puns...
I also posted this on Paul's Hardware video on the new B550 motherboards : The Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master doesn't support SLI ONLY dual Radeon ! The second as well as the third PCIex 16x slots have ONLY 4x electrical connection !!!!!! So keep that in mind if you want SLI ( insert derp face here :) ) , or (more importantly) if you need a second 8x slot for fast storage (for those who want to add more storage via M.2 to PCIex 16x adapters).
Allow me to rephrase that title "AMD being a d!ck explained" The "motherboards have limited ROM capacity" is just total BS from AMD. 1- even some of the Expensive X570 boards have 16MB ROM and these boards will support 4th gen, meanwhile B450 Tomahawk Max from MSI has 32MB and will not support 4th gen. 2- most of us bought B450 boards under the impression it will support 4th gen based on their missleading claims. 3- if im not mistaken AMD claimed to support AM4 boards until and during 2020 in one of their older slides. 4- you can simply drop 1st gen support form boards that are going to upgrade to 4th gen. 5- most of "techtubers" and other reviewrs recommended X570 boards ONLY if you care about PCI-E 4.. never have AMD, board partners nor reviewers stated that 4xx boards will be obsolete in the very near future. 6- B550 was delayed almost a whole year... meaning that me and many others who were trying to guarantee future compatibility for upcoming CPUs were forced to either buy over-heating / over-priced X570 boards or just buy any decent 4xx board. Its obviously easier to blame us consumers for having boards with "small ROM chips" instead of making board partners take the fall for their delays... Guess its our fault now B550 was delayed
Also if they are so concerned for limited Bios Rom Capacity, Manufacturers can throw away those unessential eye candy GUI and just put all necessary functionality with basic UI to save bios rom space.
Amd did say that They support am4 socket to 2020, not same as am4 motherboards... I do remember that same slide. But I was Also,hoping that it would mean Also am4 motherboards, not just socket.
This wouldn't have happened if all MB manufacturers included more ROM capacity rather than cheaping out and giving less. They also promised that AM4 would be supported until 2020, with no exact date specified. For those reasons and others, the 4000 series' lack of support for 400 series boards is not AMD's fault and the drop of support was made clear from the beginning.
14:30 to 14:45 So PCIE 4 is different for the CPU, Chipset and Usable configurations? The charts say 1 minute back say that B550 is only PCIe Gen3 for the chipset and usuable configurations. But at 14:45 you said they will support PCIeGen 4 CPUs? Could you please help clarify this for me. By the way I have started studying IT, so I spend my weekends trying to learn about the finer details of hardware.
there are multiple ways to get pcie lanes. the first is to get them direct from the cpu, the second is to get them from the chipset. what amd did here is allow the gpu and an ssd to use the cpu lanes rather than the chipset lanes, thus giving pcie gen 4. however, the chipset, which is of course used for other stuff, is only gen 3.
Rocking a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master as of last week! It rocks! Going to have to buy 3 pcie gen4 nvme drives for it now!! Yes you heard right, this motherboard has an extra 2 gen 4 nvme slots direct to cpu! (It steals 8x lanes from the graphics card slot when nvme's are installed there).
still don't get it. In the slide at the end it says PCIE 4.0 for NVME and graphics. So really only difference from X570 is no PCIE 4 link to chipset? What are we losing because of this?
I somehow find this lack of support for Ryzen 4000 unlikely. If so, that'd make the *5xx chipsets a failure, because 2021 Ryzen CPUS will most likely support DDR5 and require a new socket.
i am so pissed off that they drag their asses getting the b550 out and when they do they say you can't use your current cpu? On top of that you can't use their new cpu on your current board you bough because you didn't want to overspend on an X570? Fuck that, just going to get a new GPU and not bother upgrading anymore. I wouldn't buy this series now anyway wait till the AM5..this is a screwjob gen.
@@Anderson_Hwang Agreed. The only reason I even upgraded to Zen 2 was I was able to get the 3900x for $450 on a discount for 12 cores and 24 threads for rendering workloads. I will hold out until Zen 4 at a minimum of 30% on IPC performance. Then I might consider upgrading my 2700x build.
Wow..Good thing I bought x470 for the socket support. That's really stupid. Now I kinda hope the gains of 4000 is insignificant. I'll take that money I was considering for a cpu bump and throw it at a 3080ti budget ;]
4:35 Perhaps it depends on the Motherboard manufacturer. I am running an Asrock x570 ITX TB3 With a Ryzen 3 3200g no problem. IMHO I'd gladly trade a couple of x86 cores and threads for a good IGP that can accelerate porcesses with GPGPU compute. A lot of productivity apps take advantage of that if it is available. Though of course a GPU would be better.
I got a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro AX and it worked with my 3400G despite the packaging explicitly saying “Not compatible with 3400G and 3200G processors” I am going to change it to a 3700x since the XMP profiles won’t allow the system to boot, but the fact is that some boards may list incompatibility yet cab function with ‘incompatible’ hardware
So to sum it up: AMD delayed B550 for a year and we we all bought x470 on our upgrade to zen2 (to cheap out, due to a lack on the mid range segment etc) and now AMD decided to not allow an upgrade? Really? Its like the Tik/Tok of intel. So AMD had delayed and the customer have to pay it twice? So Intel wasn't that evil after all. They just have to create a new sockets that would be better at this point. "AMD will keep AM4, buy B450/x470 its the best value now if you don't need PCIe 4.0." Yea... and now? This not a clean communication from them! This is bullshit! I'm on an Intel PC. I was hoping that AMD would create a better market with value for the consumer but this is a pure marketink shit. Will Zen3 be on DDR5? If so Just make another socket. PCIe is backward compatible due to how it works, so a upstream port should be able to negotiate a lower speed. The Zen architecture is independent of the chipset and all the IO/s are connected to the chipset and teh CPU don't have to know how that shit works. CPU Microcode is loaded throu the Chipset or the SPI bus is directly connected to the CPU? I think that the LPC and the SPI bus are coming out from the CPU. So the init code of the cpu is independent of the chipset. (Actually I can confirm this, just looked on some schematics and block diagrams and Zen boot code) The only thing that is connected also to the CPU is the HDA and some USB3 but it's a standardized interface and thould be independent of the CPU series... In fat they are uing the Ip block from older CPUS and are all connected via internal PCI or PCIEs links. The only limit I see is the MB VRMs. But this would means that the nuew CPUs are power hungry. BTW I would love to have the money to see if a AMD MB could boot without the chipset, it should. (unless the Watchdog and the RTC are in that; nop just cheked RTC is on the SuperIO init code is run by the ARM PSP itself like on older AMD cpus. So yes the CPU could self run without a chipset LOL). So the chipset its just a fancy PLX hats why it was made by asmedia they have the IPs for Sata and the USB. No idea why the newer cpus would not run on "old" hardware. To mee this is just a marketing BS. Lets hope into MB vendors.
AMD started fresh with a clean slate and within 3 years managed to fuck up the naming scheme to make unnecessarily confusing to those who don't follow tech
And those who don’t follow tech usual just walk into a store and pick up the flashiest PC within their budget they see with the biggest numbers on. The amount of listings I see for second hand computers where they only say it’s an i7 CPU is ridiculous.
@@madmax2069 Ryzen 1000 - zen Ryzen 2000 - zen Ryzen 3000 - zen 2 Ryzen 4000 Ryzen 4000 mobile which is actually just 3000 chips. Motherboard chipset naming copied from Intel. B350 B450 then B550 breaks compatibility. If you follow the releases it all makes sense but if you look at it objectively without AMD fan boy glasses, you have to admit that they had the opportunity to name them sensibly
Honestly what AMD is currently doing with AM4 is not that different from Intel's whole Z270/Z370 incompatible thing. In fact I would argue it's worse cuz Intel made a very clear cut, while AMD is like "well we aren't technically wrong so you can't sue use but we want you to buy new boards so fuck you all"
So I know this is over a year later, but the 3000 series Zen+ support isn’t entirely defunct. This may be an edge case but I purchased a Gigabyte B550i Aorus Pro AX micro-ITX board. The box explicitly states that it is incompatible with 3400G and 3200G, yet when I put it all together, it worked. My best guess as to why it was advertised as such has to do with the fact that XMP profiles may be extremely hit or miss and you obviously won’t get PCIE Gen 4 for Zen + CPU/APUs. This was only meant as a stopgap for this PC so I will have a 3700x in its place very soon. The compatibility in short, is variable for zen +.
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Isn't that board (and probably others) supporting the 3000 APU or am I missing something?
www.asus.com/de/Motherboards/ROG-Strix-X570-I-Gaming/HelpDesk_CPU/
Wait X670 going to happen?
there are b55p diagram that shows only 4x pcie lanes, also amd official website state 8x pcie 2, have amd clarify the info?
Hey Steve, X570 supports 3200G, 3400G and their variants . Its only the B550's that won't support the G series. Chart at 6:36 says it doesn't. Talk about making for confusion in the market place.
b550a only exists so si's can con people why are amd involved in that ?
This video just reminded me once again how messed up the USB naming scheme now is.
IMO, 3.0 should be 5gbit, 3.1 for 10gbit, and 3.2 for the 20gbit
@@ValkyrieStarTV That was long time ago, now the naming scheme is totally unnecessary
USB 3.2 Gen 1 USB 3.1 Gen 1 SuperSpeed USB 5Gbps
USB 3.2 Gen 2 USB 3.1 Gen 2 SuperSpeed USB 10Gbps
USB 3.2 Gen 2 x 2 SuperSpeed USB 20Gbps
USB 3.3 Gen 3x3x3x3x3
Get out of here with your sensible notions @ValkyrieStar, people like you are what drive innovation and we can't have that!
@@ValkyrieStarTV I agree, don't know how they all agreed upon that ridiculous new naming scheme. Or if they wanted to separate 20Gbps a bit and make it seem like it's more of a "jump", they could have named it USB 3.5...But who knows what they were thinking.
Let's hope it all "resets" a bit going forward from USB 4.
Thank you for calling it USB rather than USB
We can't keep track of the names!
100x more intelligible than whatever the hell they've been on and thinking of.
@@GamersNexus it's USB X Æ A-12 now
@@GamersNexus I honestly stick with 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2, to the utter dismay of a friend I have at Microcenter
You mean, you don't like USB 3.2 Gen 2 which is also USB 3.1 Gen 2 which is also USB 3.1???
5... 5 0 The chipset of the Beast. PCI gen4 is born to be released! 🤘🏻
Thank you for publishing this, I've been waiting for a in depth explanation
I appreciate you taking to time to do an informative video on the chipsets. I'm sure everyone has been waiting for something like this.
_B550 thru A320 having support for 6 480MB USB connections._
Guess it's time to draw my pentagram and place a virgin i3 processor upon the altar as a sacrifice to Lisa Su, our dark lord, for whom we are grateful for our multi-core performance and +10% IPC gains YoY.
It is so.
Yezzzz!
So let it be Written;
So let it be Done.
yup, my X570 board does have expanded support for the Ryzen APUs. i guess its good for someone that plans on upgrading to a higher end CPU in the future and just wants to get the system up and running in the meantime.
WhatDa FarkenHell your comment is a bit confusing to read, but i get the point. But pc dont use full power at all times, so your "burn out" argument is kinda invalid. Also its storage, not memory :)
You've got the hair to be an Iron Maiden fan, Steve. Maybe we can get a little Eddie up on one of the shelves.
UP THE IRONS!!! \m/ \m/
Up the irons \m/
Yes
A yes, metal for white middle-class people who want safe music. Go listen to some real metal.
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k go away with your embarassing 12 yo style gatekeeping and your sad urge to throw race in the mix for no reason
Number of the beast chipset song or we riot!
What he said ^
6... 6... 6... the number of PCIE!!!
Aren't you just describing a mosh pit? Shouldn't the statement be "Number of the Beast chipset song and we riot!"?
Rioting is for no brain idiots
PrPwnage
With the ongoing riots in the US, I’m compelled to agree.
i hope they'll extend their support to atleast "MAX" B450 and X470 mobo's ...
mine is msi b450 gaming plux max
If they have the bios capacity for the new cpus I dont see why they wouldn't except for either their being lazy or want more $$$
@@chexmixkitty Some B450/X470 boards could already support PCIe 4.0 and AMD backtracked here not to confuse customers as some boards of that series could not support it. The same argument also applies here: You would get the same confusion if some B450/X470 boards would support Zen 3 and others wouldn't. Hence I think the chances are slim for MSI's MAX series. (There is a chance that they are not consistent with their own argument though, after all the technical limitations don't apply to that particular series).
I feel sorry for people who bought those MAX boards and I would've bought X570 myself if I knew they're gonna screw us 400-series owners like this.
That will not happen
Very sad to see B450/X470 won't be supporting on going future ryzen chips. I really hope there is a real reason for this and it's not simply an arbitrary thing designed to pressure consumers into having to upgrade their board. I bought a b450 board to go with my 3600 because I wanted an ITX board and X570 ITX didn't exist at the time (nor would it have offered any meaningful additional features b450 didn't offer in that form factor outside of pcie4.0) and it's kind of annoying to see that I'm apparently stuck on a dead end chipset.
There is a chance your board will add 4000 series in a bios update even though it's not officially supported. Too much confusing bs, for example how many will mistakenly buy B550 and try and stick a 3200G inside it.
@@GeordiLaForgery Maybe but I doubt it. That's really not something board partners will have control over nor would it really be in their interests anyway. They'd much rather sell expensive new boards then have everyone buying old b450 boards. I'm sure that's already cut into x570 sales as it is. AMD said they'd support AM4 until 2020. I guess I should have known that was BS when some 300 series boards locked out 3000 series chips.
@@devilmikey00 The mobo makers also have a massive stock of existing b450/x470 to shift, otherwise it'll just end up in landfill so I hope they do the responsible thing.
@@GeordiLaForgery Me and my MSI B450 A-Pro board both hope your educated guess is as good as your warp field engineering, Sir.
Well, he literally said that future support would stop because the bios memory chips literally don't have enough space for all the microcode of supported chips and that removing older models is a legacy support nightmare. What's is it that you do not understand? This is literally just a hardware limitation with no viable workaround.
Super sad.
Bought an X470 motherboard with my Ryzen 9 3900x since X570 was such a terrible value at launch.
Really regret it in hindsight, but I feel this should have been communicated beforehand
Such a good cpu.. Unf
It's also disappointing because it appears to completely arbitrary. Only done to push new board sales via forced obsolescence and nothing more. I'm stuck in the same boat as you. Bought a b450 board because I wanted the ITX form factor and neither x470/x570 options offered anything extra that a b450 board didn't (pcie4.0 excluded on x570). Now I'm stuck on a dead end chipset. I was actually thinking of dropping in an 8 core 4000 ryzen chip if the IPC uptick of Ryzen 3 was decent but I guess not now. I'm not buying a new board again.
Upgrading from a 3900x to next gen ryzen us a big waste of money tbh
You still have a beast of a CPU. You should be good for a while.
This did communicate and they lied. They said until 2021.
I like the website. It makes reading graphs easier aftewr you've watched the video, but you don't have to back and scrub through the video again to find it
You need to fix the table. X570 and B550 both supports Zen 2 and will support Zen 3 (the table only mentions Zen 3).
Also, people need to remember that after Zen 3, the socket will be replaced to AM5 which I don't think will be backward compatible with AM4, and that will happen probably in 2021.
are you sure the B550 supports 3600 CPU? in the video it says different, just want to know before buying thanks
I'd actually prefer a 'downgrade' to B550, the X570 chipset fan bugs the hell out of me (I'm surprised there are no aftermarket kits). The fan on the Asus X570-P is meant to be silent but that is BS. I can hear it from 1,500 rpm, which just happens to be about the minimum because the XFX 5700XT THICC2 (it was cheap and it doesn't actually suck) blocks it. Asus or XFX is out of spec as the only way to get the card seated is to push from the back of the motherboard too. Currently waiting for a THICC3 heatsink kit to be sent out, but there's some sort of logistics issue...
It's so tight that I had to break the PCIe x16 locking tab when I removed it (the metal look is cosmetic, it's actually not that strong) to track down where the coil whine was coming from. I've currently got the GPU to keep spinning which does help a lot, but that little bastard will spin up in games.
Anyway, only piping PCIe 4.0 to the top x16 and M.2 slots is a decent compromise which would be fine for most people. Especially if it gets rid of the useless PCH heatsink (most of the surface area is thick plastic) and I not sure why Asus thought putting a fan in the area normally covered by GPU heatsink was a good idea. There is something wrong with the x570 chipset, it drains power even when not in use (just a sound card), I could understand if I was moving data between the 2nd m.2 and a bunch of data drives. Steve's BFF did a video, I wonder if AMD did respond? 🤔
PS: Asus' AI suite also sucks as it won't display the chipset temp (just motherboard and CPU, package temps) when there are actually NINE temp sensors on the motherboard!! I just want VRM (which isn't even labelled) and chipset. Plus, Asus is about the only company that doesn't offer control over the chipset fan, despite loads of requests.
/I'm glad I got that out of my system. Wooooosa....
I know you've had some content queued up due to NDA's, but the amount and quality of content over the past 2 weeks has been excellent. No where else can I get the PC enthusiast product minutia I crave. You guys are killing it, thank you!!!
I wish. We made each of these like 6 hours ahead of publishing! Glad we give that impression, though!
@@GamersNexus Either way, you guys are doing a great job!
AMD can easily support 4000 chips even on a320(some a320s even support 3950x) b350 and x370 boards, let alone x470 and b450. That BIOS chip size excuse is complete BS, some new x570 boards have 16MB chips and they will support 4000 chips. Even for some BS reason 16MB chips don't have the storage for all the AM4 chips, motherboard makers can easily make 2 bios versions with, let's say, only Ryzen 1000 and 2000 chip support, and another with 3000 and 4000 chip support. That is IF AMD allows them to. After all it all comes to money, and AMD is a company. And companies need to make as much money as possible. Except this move will hurt AMD rather than helping it.
I doubt amd gains anything from not supporting an older board. It's the board manufacturers that are losing money by supporting older boards. If anything, amd gains more money by supporting old boards since only the cpu matters for them. Why would amd intentionally cut off support unless it's just not feasible?
If you want to throw out conspiracy theories, at least make it believable.
@@Wheres_my_Dragonator The only reason they're not compatible is bios storage yet some BIOSes have enough storage space so it's definitely possible. I just don't think that the average Joe that walks into a store to buy a mobo is going to recognize the difference between the b450 tomahawk and tomahawk max or will assume that since one b450 board or x470 board can do it all can do it. This could create outrage among the average joes who are not really enthusiasts. I think AMD just feels like it's not worth the bad press.
Do you belive you could make a board on AM4 and sell in freely? Every third party company (asus, gigabyte, etc ...) is paying a certain % of their mobo income to the giants (Intel/Amd/Nvidia).
@@Wheres_my_Dragonator I don't think logical evaluation of the situation is a conspiracy theory. Unless someone can prove me wrong, that's what I think is going on.
It is not so simple. OEM partners either have to buy certain parts from the big three or pay them if they want to use their products or features. For example buildzoid recently covered a older EVGA board, during (board's time) Nvidia forced OEM's to buy their SLI support chip, when in reality that chip had no purpose. Today they may not force partners to buy extra parts anymore, but instead just taking a slim piece from the sales. It is a common practice in other industries, so why would it be any different here.
We knock AMD’s naming, but imagine if Zen plus was called Ryzen +000
I'm waiting for...."The dawn of a new computing experience with Ryzen Shine processors...."
@@malphadour "Ryzen shine, Intel"
Then it would sound like it was Elon Musks' offspring...
People would have understood better if they released a Zen2+ (from regular 7nm to 7nm EUV and some small arch improvements)
Only dummies have any problems anyways...
B550 not supporting Ryzen 2000+ is really a bummer. Having one socket is no longer a good thing, it just became a trap.
Blame the cheap penny pinching motherboard makers with their anemic bios sizes. Had they all put 16mb or 32mb+ from the start, there'd be zero problem.
I don't really know what you mean, but if you want to buy b550 there is no reason, except cheaper processors, to go for a 2000 series processor. These boards will likely be more expensive, and if you really need the new b550 features just get a 3000 series processor. What most people are upset about, me included, is the fact that ryzen 4000 will not work on b450, which goes directly against amds promise, and peoples expectations.
@@vyor8837 some do, it all depends on if the manufacturer put a large enough bios flash to store the information of the new ones.
The hardware physically supports it it's just whether or not the bios has enough space to be updated to support it.
@@vyor8837 According to hardware unboxed and Amd themself they will not release ryzen 4000 to b450 in any capacity(This is only their current plan, and may change if enough people call them out for this). Since there is already a big backlash, i think Amd will in fact reconsider. This however is not confirmed, and can't be trusted upon. If Amd doesn't release an agesa version that supports b450 and ryzen 4000m motherboard companies will not be able to support ryzen 4000 even if they wanted to. It's all up to amd at this point
It was bound to happen sooner or later. Demanding that motherboard manufacturers continue supporting new CPUs on discontinued out-of-warranty boards indefinitely does not make much sense. Not much different from previous AMD sockets where newer CPUs were only officially supported on the "+" socket variants. You could say AM4 has now entered its AM4+ phase.
8:49 The USB speeds... you guys are geniuses. I don't know if it was your idea of your video editor's idea or what but that was utterly brilliant. And I love the stab at the official naming.
I just did a rebuild on my computer a month ago. Wanted to wait for the 4000's, but computer was dying. Didn't want a x570 because I didn't like having to deal with a proprietary fan on the board. So I went with the B450 Tomahawk MAX partly because it was a new design with larger bios to handle the extra cpu numbers. I went with a 1600af and just 16GB of 2666 to save a little with the idea that latter I would get an 8 core 4000 and 32GB of what ever speed memory would be best for it. I made these choices based on over a year of looking into options and how things went with the 3000's vs older boards and AMD's "claim" to support am4 to 2020. Now they pull this crap? I feel like I have been scammed by amd. The scam is to force people to buy a new chipset they don't really need or want just to get the a 4k.
Vorg How many hours of research do you think you put into it in your year+ of looking into the options?
@@qzbnyv Many.
@@qzbnyv Is your insinuation that he should have known AMD would renege on the promise that they would support AM4 until 2020? This isn't just a small group of people. A LOT OF PEOPLE bought b450/x470 boards to go along with their 3000 chips because x570 offered no real great features (PCIE 4.0 is irrelevant for 99% of people) for a large price increase. If AMD had let everyone know this LAST YEAR when x570 launched that b450/x470 wouldn't support anything past 3000 it have stunk but at least we'd have had that knowledge when we were making are purchasing decision.
@@devilmikey00 (Until 2020)! I myself have b450 but not bother.
@@devilmikey00 sounds like a you problem. Its 2020 but maybe you live in 2018
It'd be cool to see a clock normalized test of the R5 1400X, 2200G/2400G, 2300X, 3200/3400G and 3100/3300X, a gathering of 4c8t chips from zen1 through zen 2
@Gamers Nexus The tech media just has been burned from this decision as well, recommending B450/X470 for such a long time and not putting much more pressure on AMD to get B550 in order backfires right now. If you had known in advance that X570 is "more future proof" in CPU support, that would have been a major selling point for these high end boards and would have made AMD look stupid to not have a B550 chipset available on time to cover the entry- to mid-level market. But the tech media exonerated AMD on this point because B450/X470 was still readily available and at least it was assumed from many to be compatible with Zen 3. So where is the rage in the tech media now?
It also highlights that their current platform strategy isn't great at all. Their reliance on Asmedia just bit them hard with the 500 series (having to sacrifice their I/O die for X570 and the need to delay B550 for a year). AMD should put much more effort into their platform (timing and feature wise). As Gamers Nexus argued about in the past about letting third parties handling the chipset production we now clearly see the downsides, as no third party has the same incentive as AMD to do it right and on time. It is a contract but the existance of the company doesn't rely on it. In my opinion this whole mess shows that more integration is in order here to have more control over their own platform (e.g. in-house-development of the chipset) and lessen the reliance on third parties. It is not a distraction, the platform is an important part of their core business.
IAFAIK B550 isn't late because ASMedia were late in delivery, but because the contract was late in being signed.
That's the point: AMD wanted to sell out B450 and X470 boards before announcing this BS. Now people who want to upgrade are forced to buy newer board anyway.
First I have to say, Kudos to you man! You're on top of it all and always deliver solid information in a clear and precise manor!
Second, My Asus Maximus VII Formula kicked the bucket. I was planning upgrading to the 5900x and a x570 board. Preferably the Dark Hero but both are impossible to get and both Asus and AMD have no time table for re-release and I know that the bots will swoop in and get them before I have a chance any way. I always buy the top I can when I need to upgrade then re-up every 6 or so years, picking up used stuff along the way. With DDR4 and now PCIe 4.0 it was time to re-up
Currently I can get a B550 ROG Strix-E Gaming which has the passive cooled Chipset, which is why I wanted the Dark Hero X570, Passive chipset cooling (I hate additional fans) + Additional PCIe 4.0 lanes (I just know they are faster)
I constantly Photo/Video Edit, Draft in CAD and create 3d Renderings. SO...I was stoked about the jump in speed with PCIE 4.0 and wanted to run 2 M.2 Nvme Drives to speed up my work flow. OS on one and Storage and Scratch disk on the other. I'm still a little lost with the difference between the capabilities of B550 and X570.
If I am running Windows on one of the M.2 slots at PCIe 4.0 NVME would the other m.2, by default, run at PCI3 3.0, Do I have that correct?
Also, If the GPU is running at PCIe 4.0 would the m.2 running the OS drop to PCIe 3.0? I'm a little confused.
Thanks man, I like the Iron Maiden reference too.
9:33 - LOL! Might as well be called that. I can't even remember what the newest names are. 3.0, 3.1, and 3.2 make the most sense to me.
So, AMD says they look at the comments and listen to their customers? Well listen to this, it's total bs that AMD is saying nothing under B550 will work with next gen Ryzen. Maybe it wouldn't be as egregious if B550 came out a year sooner, but instead you have all of us people who bought new 3000 chips with older B-class motherboards because we didn't need X-class boards. If the new B-class was out sooner, we would have bought it over the older B450, but it wasn't. So now that AMD screwed around and didn't get out B550 out in time, all of us who didn't need a premium motherboard are screwed when it comes to future upgrades. Thanks AMD. I understand that there is only so much room on a bios, but maybe you should have thought of that sooner and instructed manufacturers to keep that in mind when designing a board. And if it's too late now to add support for 4000 series on older motherboards, then you should have optional bios codes available that does away with support for older cpus and can support only 4000, or maybe 3000 and 4000 if they'll both fit. But seriously, AMD, it doesn't mean that much to stick with the same socket for 5 years if a ton of boards have no upgrade path now, even though the cpu will still physically fit in the socket. We all bought B450 because YOU said there would be backwards compatibility through this year. Now you're reneging? You screwed up by not getting B550 out sooner, now you need to make it right to all of us who were STUCK buying an older chipset .
Some b450 motherboards have bigger bios memory size than x570 boards. The max b450 boards were given the larger memory specifically so they could support multiple generations of CPUs.
I don’t know what you read or what promises AMD made you. I got a x570 because 1) it is already incompatible with Zen 2+ out of the box (bios upgrade needed) and 2) because I wanted to future proof my build a bit. Im glad to hear it will be compatible with x570. Sorry if you bought an older board and it won’t be 🤷🏻♂️?
@@douglaspianta4187 It's awesome that some motherboard manufacturers had the foresight to do that, but I think AMD should have mandated it for all boards. It's not like it costs anyone but a few extra dollars at the very most to put a higher capacity bios rom on their boards. But the worst part about this is that AMD said they weren't going to allow manufacturers to support older cpus on their upcoming boards. I don't know how they can block it since manufacturers will obviously have the code for future processors, but what do I know.
@@Shadow__133 They literally made a huge deal out of supporting AM4 up until 2020 back when ryzen was first launched in 2017. It was one of the big selling points of going with AMD over intel. You'd be able to buy a board and keep the CPU relevant for 3 years. They reneged on that. He has every right to be ticked off. Especially since the only way to get a sub 200 dollar board when 3000 series came out was to buy b450/x470. Like he said if they'd released b550 alongside the 3000 launch none of this would be a problem. Instead they delayed it a year and a ton of folks who didn't want expensive motherboards opted for b450 because who cares? AMD said they'd support future updates and PCIE 4.0 isn't a big deal. Whoops, turns out that was BS and now an entire years worth of folks buying AMD cpu's just had their upgrade path yoinked from underneath them.
@@Shadow__133 When they said AM4 was going to be their platform for 5 years nobody thought that meant that even though the socket is going to stay the same, some boards won't work with some chips. The implication was you could buy an X370 at launch then upgrade your cpus throughout the life of AM4. Of course bios updates will be needed, the code for future cpus hadn't been written yet. I'm glad you have an X570 board, but dont be elitist about it. I have 5 computers less than 2 years old and one has an X570 in it. This isn't only about you and me. I'm speaking up for everyone who has to spend their money extremely wisely when building a computer. I'm speaking for all of the people that have made the 3600 the best selling cpu. Most of those people probably paired it with a B450, thinking they would be able to upgrade to Zen 3 down the road. That's what they've been told by every tech outlet after all. And the reason I'm making a big fuss is because AMD says they listen to their customers. This move isn't best for their customers and it doesn't have to be this way. They can fix. They can release code to support any of these cpus on any of these boards and they should.
Doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of using the same socket if you have to replace the motherboard anyways?
yea. there a rumor about b450 will support 4000 series though
@@superknightlol It's nothing but a rumour. AMD confirmed it won't.
I guess it allows you to upgrade your motherboard while keeping your cpu, if you wanna do that for some reason. Doesn't seem like something that a lot of people would need though
I mean...not at all, no. If you bought the first generation of motherboards, you could use the first two generations of chips, and the better designed motherboards support third generation.
Now, we're in, functionally, the third wave of boards, and if you wanted to do a build today, say your a320 fails, ports fail, whatever..you could buy a $160 x570 motherboard. And that's it. Everything else, including your first gen 1600 works. You can buy a motherboard, today, to fit a first gen ryzen CPU. I don't know what the future brings, I don't know what x670 will support, but that means four years of NEW motherboards that will take that perfectly usable OG chip.
That's a cycle I'd like to see pushed forward.
Compare that to intel, where sometimes they had sockets that lasted a _single year_. Say you bought a chip in 2014. The chip is still good. It still WORKS. But in 2019, half the RAM slots on your motherboard dies. You're either hunting for a a three generation old motherboard, to go with your still fully functional CPU that gets you 60+ frames in most games you play, used, or buying a new CPU.
Nothing lasts FOREVER. But with AMD's system, you have overlap. When Intel rolls out that new socket for their 10'th series chip...how many people will have a legitimate need for that? Currently, no one. It doesn't do anything for you, functionally.
@@drackar We need like a two-paragraph limit on TH-cam comments.
What's great about Zen is that technically you don't really need a chipset to get a good variety of I/O. There's an onboard I/O controller with USB, SATA, and 10gbe that just require a physical interface.
You were the chosen one, AMD! You were supposed to destroy Intel, not join them!
I have felt a great disturbance in the customer's force
It's like millions of b450 and x470 owners died inside
Amazon is sold out of X570 Crosshair VIII boards. A new cpu with so many new features the old boards can't keep up is a good thing.BRAVO AMD
I loved that comment!
they kept their promise, they said they would keep it the same for five years and they did
"either you die a hero or live long enough to become the villain" the story of AMD and Ryzen?
@snowhawk AMD- tel !! LOL
@@geepsu666 also why the hell would anyone from the the beginning of Ryzen even bother upgrading to Zen3 when Zen4 will be 5nm and most likely need a new mobo again for DDR5/5nm
support, it's fucked up and i'm pissed
didn't AMD say back in 2017 that they will release a new chipset in 2020, and that all current mobo's(b350 x370, b450,x470) will be supported until 2020?
If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.
@@twanc156 If it's a large enough upgrade, either get high end Zen 2 then wait till Zen 4 to upgrade, or wait for Zen 3 , then upgrade on Ze 5. If an upgrade is for productivity, and that upgrade now pays for itself with significant time savings over the next few years, it's worth the investment. If it's an upgrade 'just because', then wait.
Just bought a b450 to go with a free 1500x I got. Can't wait to upgrade to ryzen 3000 once they're cheap from everyone upgrading.
Very few people will upgrade to Zen 3, since you have to buy separate motherboard for it, people will just stay on their B450 Ryzen 3600 until Zen 4 or Zen 5 comes out.
@@Derael People with X570 will upgrade and people might buy B550 as an upgrade from there A320 or B350. You never know.
@@Derael Still on Zen 1 so I likely will tbh
I’m so happy right now that I did buy a X570 and not a b450 since I’ve always planned to upgrade to Zen 3! Sometimes you’re lucky...
Wonderfully made video btw! Very clear and to the point.
I really hope AMD reconsiders Zen 3 support for X470. I got a nicer board specifically so I could upgrade to Zen 3. I don't care about gen 4 pcie I just want the faster clock speeds :(
I thibk after the outcry, they will
Yup, kind of a kick in the nuts isn't it? They made a big deal back in 2017 saying they would support AM4 until 2020 and that was already half untrue when some 300 series boards never got 3000 support and now they are just saying fuck it.
It’s honestly more of up to the mobo manufacturer’s, yeah AMD supplies the microcode to them, but I’m sure they can do their own work arounds
@@Powerman293 You're overestimating the size of the market that knows/cares about these things.
They say that Ryzen 3000 is not supported on A320, but almost all terrible A320 boards lists Zen 2 CPU's as compatible - some of the even support Ryzen 3950X. So there is hope.
Man I need to start learning more I stopped watching for a few months and I come back and you are going crazy with the complex explanation. It’s good once I learn some more love your videos.
I am extremely upset. I waited until December 2019 for B550 because I kinda had a feeling something like this would happen. It didn't come out and won't come out till like June but I bought a B450 Tomahawk Max with the 32mb chipset so I am livid at this news and it's really not right... AMD fix this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Snag a 3900x on sale. Tbh the ryzen 3 shouldn't be much better
Live with it
Just go intel and buy a new board every gen...
@@ryanm8067 Rumored +15% IPC + higher clocks is nothing to sniff at.
ASnd im in the same boat as A C. I bought a B450 Tomahawk Max because there wasnt a single appealing (= non fan and less expensive) X570 Board when i upgraded from my Haswell and i planned to put in a Ryzen 4000 into it once released.
Now i will need a new board and the resale value of all B450 Boards will drop.
And i know a lot of other people whi did something similar because they also considered Y570 as garbadge when they upgraded from older platforms and expected to have at least one more upgrade on this platform available.
AQnd thats especially shitty for the B450 and X470 Mainboard that got refreshed for Ryzen 3000 to be an alternative to the uninterestring X570 platform.
I waited and you should have too. There was tech news about the B550 chipset everywhere during that time. Now I know B550 is shyte I'm going for the X570 Tomahawk instead of the Asus x570 prime p/csm. th-cam.com/video/2LM0CZZ9Uw8/w-d-xo.html
Thanks a lot for this video Steve. My brother is fairly new to PC building and he's looking to upgrade his A320 motherboard. Couldn't share with him a better resource than this.
Waiting for that X570 Tomahawk review!
Same when is the bloody thing going be released I'm glad I didnt buy a b450 now
HardwareUnbox has X570 Tomahawk review.
I love your content and really appreciate you maintain a website where we can read about these products and your results.
Major Bummer that I'm not going to be able to upgrade to Zen3 on B450.
You would probably be better off putting that money into ether an higher core Zen2 or a GPU upgrade. Why is everyone all of a sudden want to pair B450 with Zen3, it’s like putting a Sports car engine in a hatchback, it may run faster but it doesn’t improve any other element of the car. A GPU upgrade would likely be a better spend.
I agree. 3700x is very good cpu... and there is 3950 is you really want to get more speed! This year we Also will get some interesting gpus that will five more speed.
@@haukionkannel It depends on if IPC is more important then cores to you. No upgrade in the 3000 line will net you increased single core performance. If you're a gamer who bought a 3600 and you thought maybe you might sell that off and upgrade to 4600 (or whatever it's called) to take advantage of the increased IPC then a 3950 isn't going to be a useful upgrade.
Why this channel doesn't have multi million subs. I cannot understand.
Got my large mod mat today. Looks just as awesome as it performs!😎😎
Thanks GN!
I hope AMD gets pushed back on their decision not to (even unofficially) support the 300 and 400 series Motherboards for Ryzen 4000 CPU's like they did with the 3000 series.
Many 300 and 400 series boards were built with cheap components, since motherboard vendors have never really taken AMD boards seriously until X570. There were however really good boards too, like the Crosshair series for example (I own a X370 Crosshair VI Extreme) which are massively overkill for pretty much any Ryzen CPU.
Its been shown that PCI-E 4.0 used to work fine on the better boards, but because AMD didn't want confusion about which boards can handle it and which can't, they Removed that functionality in the AGESA code. (Wish someone could create a modded BIOS with it re-enabled) I'm guessing AMD is once again trying to weed out those weaker 300 and 400 series boards while sacrificing everyone who bought good ones.
I don't buy the excuse i've heared about the BIOS ROM size not being large enough, as thats why the MSI Max series of boards were made (32mb), and the Current largest BIOS size for my ASUS board is about 10mb. I always build my computers to last a good 8 years, and resell parts if possible, so as not to add to the mountains of E-waste. I refuse to upgrade my perfectly servicable high end motherboard and feed into useless consumerism.
@Comeonregister Having upgraded from a Phenom II X6 System, I'm well aware of how long AMD's sockets last. It was pretty clear that Zen 3 was going to be on AM4 from the getgo. My point was that there doesnt (yet) appear to be any legitimate reason for locking compatibility with past generation boards. The pin count is the same, the boards still use DDR4, PCIE-4.0 is on the CPU side, there doesnt appear to be any power constraints, and i doubt BIOS size is an issue as was claimed.
Sacrificing everyone who bought good or high end boards, because others bought cheap A320/B350 boards which *might* cause issues is insulting to the DIY audiences intelligence at the very least. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
not every board maker had that 32gb of rom, thus your ire would be better directed at them for not using them universally. Maybe we can expect MSI to enable support due to using the larger rom size. From what i'm told the cost of those 32gb roms are significantly higher than 16gb which may be a factor.
Man I'm so glad I found this channel. Even if I don't need to know any of the info, your perfect deadpan delivery of savage put downs gets me every time!
AMD gave the middle finger to X370, X470, and B450 owners.
more especially to the b550 it just came out and it wont last, i got my x370 on first gen i got my moneys worth.
Yeah, zen 3 will be on am4. I don't get it, why older am4 motherboards won't support it
@@noctrk161 at least x370,b350 can still support 3000 series ryzen just need to update bios from manufacture. not like intel, every series is different mobo.
@@bubblegumgun3292 How is it a middle finger to B550? People who get B550 probably get it with a new Ryzen 5 3600, with an option to upgrade to Zen 3.
I got my B450 a week ago with no option to upgrade further, because the support was cut.
My guess is Zen 3 won't support PIC-E gen 3 at all, thus won't work on anything that does not have gen 4
Awesome vid. Thanks for the details and the fully expanded table detailing the Ryzen chipsets. Really helped me figure out a few things.
Yeeeaaahhh, I bought a B450 board with a 2600 a few months ago with the plan of upgrading to a 4600X (or higher)... RIP me
Candisa buy cheap 3950 next year! When next gen 5000 series get released! Amd cpus get really affordable when They Are two generations old. And you will get cpu that will beat anything Intel have ready by that time!
I'm afraid it's not going to pan out exactly the same this gen, with Ryzen 4000 being the last gen on AM4, and if it does not have a great IPC and frequency rise from 3000, then there's no incentive for 3000 to get any cheaper. Add in all the people now on x470 and b450, seemingly locked from upgrade path to 4000 and I see an enormous demand for 3700x, 3800x, 3900, 3900x and 3950x which will keep the prices up, especially the last three skus
@@ЛюбомирДинков Exactly. Who bought zen 2 is locked in a corner, zen 3 is a dead end since am5 will come out next year. Upgradability between zen + and zen 2 wasn't guaranteed.
@@haukionkannel A 3950 is a way too nice CPU to put in a mid-end B450 ITX board, and honestly I have no use for it anyways. I'll probably just use this system as is, it should be plenty for years ahead, and just build something new when needed. It's just that I've probably would have gotten a 3700X instead of a 2600 had I known there was no upgrade path to Zen 3.
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Absolutely love this video. Thank you for shedding ALL the light! :)
I'm a simple man... I hear an Iron Maiden reference from the dude that is doing a deep dive technical overview of a new platform, I hit the like button..
Looking at the comments I was afraid no one else understood! Nice one Steve :D
Love the drawn-down blue bars on side off screen when displaying charts. Great plus. Thanks.
Wanted to ask what difference the chipset going from gen 3 to gen 4 makes for regular PC users as I'm trying to decide whether to get an x570 or b550 mobo.
It would be awesome to see the website updated more often. I always read it whenever new stuff is uploaded.
Thank you for all the work that have been done Steve 👍🤘
But, in the official AMD slide at 3:05 in the line "AMD Ryzen 3000 with Radeon Graphics" (AKA 3200G and 3400G) we can see that it's compatible with X570 and not B550 while in your comparison you say that it is not with both. I'm confused right now 🤷♂️
It is deffinitely compatible. My experience is with the 3400G and X570 TUF GAMING PLUS - works like a charm
Love the dial-up modem sound in the outro, reminds me of my first internet connection.
Intel Spy's in AMD company, Good Job!
Thank you for breaking down the information so clearly. Really enjoy this channel, no bs, just tech Jesus and his data.
I'm buying a 3900x in a mini itx case, do you guys recommend waiting for b550 or going with a x570 or b450?
X570 of course. Becouse 3900X very powerful CPU
This might just be my opinion, but this was the reason I hadn't bought a new motherboard/processor (rocking an i5 7600k). Every youtuber was recommending a B450 Tomahawk when it was never stated that it would support Ryzen 3rd gen and in my opinion, the ones who are mad that they got that and can't upgrade, you certainly can get a 3900x which might be significantly cheaper come next gen
This is a GREAT piece!!! To follow up on my original comment about zero views: After watching the 16 minute video the count went to 2,530 views with 253 likes and 4 dislikes. LOL
To all you guys with A320, B350, and $80 b450 boards... did you really expect to actually upgrade CPU’s without a motherboard change? Like.. sure currently Zen is behind but I’m sure there will be $100 options for B550 if you want Ryzen 4000, and if you’re concerned about $100 why don’t you spend that money on a better graphics card instead? AMD said they would support AM4 until 2020. A 3300x and 3100 are both new processors that will work on at least some B350 boards. They technically held true to their promise. Sure you may feel mislead, but they’re a multi billion dollar corporation. They don’t care about you. Over 90% of CPU sales are of people that buy new boards for a new system, if were actually going to put a Ryzen 4000 chip in your b350 board, you are the minority of a minority. AMD is in a good position now, they don’t have to be as competitive. Now they are going to start focusing more on server chips and mobile chips because that’s where money is really made, and where they can really gain more market share. AMD already has 90% of new cpu purchase market share, not much room to grow there. But they have less than 10% of the server market. If you were a corporation trying to make as much money as possible, what would you focus on?
We have to remember that both intel and AMD are simply corporations with shareholders. They want their customers to be happy, but they will always prioritize shareholders first. The only reason they want the customer to be happy is because that’s what sells processors. Also remember that AMD doesn’t make much of any money from motherboard sales, so they simply did what they believed was the right choice in order to assure that people don’t put processors in boards that motherboard manufacturers may or may not still be doing bios updates for. It sucks for very, very few people relative to their overall market.
This move by AMD gonna backlash them hard......its clearly a moved to clear the b450 and x470 stocks! They should told their customers during x570 launch or something..and give a timeline when the B550 going to be available....AMD will always be 2nd tier behind Intel because of this stupid moves....Right now rocking R5 2600x with B450 since 2018...was thinking upgrade to r7 3700x, but might be bad moved since only 1 leap generation, and probably wait for r7 4700x to be available, and i'm good for next 4 years till DDR5 come to the market...with this move, R7 and R9 cpus will be what Intel with their previous i7s....stupid expensive previous gen CPUs that's still expensives in 2nd hand market....Hopefully Intel will kick their asses for the next wave of new CPUs architecture!!!
Lol you're talking out of your ass, Intel is changing mobo for each and every gen without any need, and amd did that after 3 gens with sunstantial change in architecture and node
I had to say that "Officially supports" row is kinda messed up because B550 will drop previous CPU support, while on B450 I can use not only Zen2, but Zen1 alhough.
Wait til AMD pulls a fast one and releases the x690 boards with Zen3 4000 series.
Brian Mulrooney it is very likely amd has released new motherboard with allmost all cpu generations.
It depends on if amd goes to am5 socket at 2021 or not. If They don`t go, then 570 will be fine compared to Intel 490. And amd can release x670, x 690 and b650 boards at 2021 for Zen3+.
There some conflicting information shown in this video, your charts say B550 wont have pcie 4.0 but the image at 15:00 shows B550 is pcie 4.0 not 3.0 like you say? Would seem odd if amd went backwards in evolution on the b550 and removed pcie 4.0 to leave in old pcie 3.0 like the 4xx boards?
I think the chart you are referencing is about the chipset, the B550 PCIe 4.0 is directly connected to the CPU instead of through the chipset, which does have PCIe 3.0 lanes.
Yep... 4.0 from cpus, 3.0 from chipset. That is one way of making b550 cheaper!
What already was the case with b450 and x470 boards... Before AMD shafted people again and blocked the CPU lanes to 3.0 on these platforms.
They need to allow at least the X470 boards to be compatible. Reward those that spent the xtra money to get the top tier.
So the extra features the board has at the time of purchase isn’t enough? Sorry but if your reasoning for splashing the extra money is hope it’s theoretically going to be supported longer despite no claims made to be that, then you really need to reconsider your purchases.
Well I guess that's one way to interpret what I said I suppose, go with the most negative interpretation so you can be salty. Relax, you are worthy, you are loved, by someone somewhere. Take a deep breath and just......relax. Peace !
@@justincooper1884 AMD said AM4 would be supported until 2021. With the way that 3xx and 4xx series boards worked, this is very misleading..
Couldn't agree more. I specified X470 b/c that's what I bought :) We'll see if AMD goes full-on Intel or if this is a one-off middle finger to the customer.
Samuel White Ryzen 400 will be used in am4 socket so They did keep the ”promise” They did not say that all am4 socket using motherboards does support all am4 based cpus... yeah... I know it does not help. I Also was hoping one more year to old motherboards.
All the 400 series motherboard owners just need to wait the 3950 to become cheap and They will have cpu for the next 10 years! 3950 should be fast enough to most task I can think of...
Good afternoon, friend. Just a quick question - When you say X570 + B550 don't "officially support" 3000 series APUs, what exactly do you mean by this? My question arises because I've used a 3400G with X570 in the past, with no noticeable issues.
Stop panicking. Don’t be pressured to upgrade to the latest and greatest technology just because it’s better than your current setup. If your Pc functions and it’s not dying when you boot up a game, let it be. This comment section is consumerism at its finest.
Usually cringe at the whole gaming laser focus but you present in a generic way that assists everyone. Great channel. Sub'd.
AMD crapping on all the b450/x470 motherboard buyers. so they are keeping the same socket, but they just aren't allowing people to use newer chips on older motherboards....so they have to buy a new one anyways. am4 was supposed to end after ryzen 3 anyways right? why not just allow the support? is it a money grab?
nah I don't think it's a money grab. In my opinion, they really planned for those chipsets to run Zen 3, but some problem came up with it that they couldn't overcome. I'll give AMD the benefit of the doubt here. They kind of deserve it.
kind of the same thing when they tried not to support zen 2 on b350
i do actually believe in bios size limitations, there's a reason x570 doesn't support zen 1, but i still think that like b350 and x370 eventually some mobo manufacturers with larger bios chips will give their b450/x470 and maybe even b350/x370 boards zen 3 support, perhaps while dropping support for zen 1.
@@bananya6020 well, lets just hope for the mod community to make cutom bios' that fit in the 16mb file size.
I just bought a B450 board this week ._.xd. Also, I like how the Aorus Xtreme looks, nice to see you have one and are sponsored by gigabyte.
My plans of running a 4700X on my X470 are dashed. The luster is off AMD's star, and they are revealed to be no less shitty than Intel.
I knew they were equal in this capacity, I have both red and blue platforms. But now seeing this much shorter than expected range of compatibility
with the pretty X470 (in white), I will have to know I can only put the second to best CPU series into my little budget treasure. The thrill is gone. :(
Stalewind Farto1078
At least with Intel you know what to expect.
I'm betting there's gonna be some third party modded BIOS that allows you to use zen3 with B450 boards. It's happened in the past, and this a prime platform for it seeing as how it's so popular.
does this mean i have to get a X570 board if i want to get a RTX 3000 series card?
RTX 30 series will require Mother-Boards with PCIe 4.0 (B550 or X570)
They will be compatible with Mother-Boards with PCIe 3.0 however, their memory bandwidth will be significantly reduced.
@@flowerthencrranger3854 Thanks for answering!
You’re welcome
@Shirou Kotomine Here is a list of the main differences. Which one is better is going to depend on your build and preferences:
CPU:
X570 supports older and newer processors. B550 only supports gen 3 and newer.
Storage:
x570 supports two PCIe 4.0 m2 drives. B550 only supports one with PCIe 4.0 and another with 3.0. So if you plan to use two nvme drives, and need really fast transfers speeds on both, then go x570.
PCIe 16x (GPU) slots:
x570 supports PCIe 4.0 for multiple 16x PCIe slots. B550 only supports PCIe 4.0 for the top slot (GPU) with PCIe 3.0 for the rest. This is probably not a big deal unless you plan to run SLI, or a bunch of extra cards, or something exotic like that. Even then, a graphics card isn't going to be bottle-necked by a 3.0 slot.
Networking:
X570 supports 5 and 10 gig lan. B550 only supports 1 gig.
USB:
X570 supports more USB 3.2 ports and more overall ports.
@Shirou Kotomine You could add another M2 drive, but the read/write speeds won't be as good for the second one because it will be using PCIe 3.0 instead of 4.0. Not sure about the audio. I think x570 boards draw more power in general, which is why they generally have cooling on the boards. Also the LAN difference doesn't seem to be universal. I've run across some x570 boards still using 1 gig. And unless you're transferring stuff around a local network a lot, with 5 or 10 gig switches, the bottleneck will still be your ISP.
I don't care as long as ryzen 5000 apu's aka Zen 2 based, work on b450. AMD said that AM4 would be supported through 2020, they made no mention of which chipsets that would include. Based on their statement on the full press pack AM4 may go beyond that. Supporting socket AM4 only covers DDR4 ram and coolers, anyone who has read that different hasn't fully comprehended the original statement from 2017.
Well Thanks AMD.... i bought a B450 Tomahawk Max and a Ryzen 3700X, already planning to upgrade to Ryzen 4000, just 2 month ago. There was no B550 and X570 has a fan and to expensive boards. Now i will need a new board and the resale Value of my current one drops considerably.
Are you trolling? Because thats a really stupid waste of money, basically just feeding an adiction...
If its work related, and you needed higher performance and money wasn't an issue then you could have bought a higher end CPU in the first place, rather then rebuilding your system every generation...
That’s what I’m looking forward too, if all you outraged by this all want to upgrade for the slightly better performance in games Zen3 will give please go ahead. Looking forward to those bargain Tomahawks and 3000 series CPUs hitting the market.
@@backupplan6058 actually yes, that was my plan. drop the 3700x when it still has some value, invest 100-150€ and get a zen3.
But when i need a new Mainboard aswell thats out of the question and i will simply wait a generation.
@@William-Morey-Baker The only 'higher-end' CPUs available just add more cores. For some workloads that might be great, but for most games, and some production workloads higher IPC*clocks is the only way to gain higher performance, and there is really no option for that above a 3700x on Zen2. Zen 3 is the logical upgrade path to gain IPC, but AMD are being a PITA and stubbornly not allowing it. It's not cool, and it's horribly anti-consumer. They need to be taken to task over it. (Also, swapping CPUs for a faster one hardly qualifies as 'rebuilding your system', it's like a 15 minute job)
Seriously the fans aren't an issue, speak to some owners.
Hey Steve, did I happen to miss the link you mentioned at 2:43?
Can't seem to find it in the description, or at least nothing that'd give the impression that's the video you're referring to... 🤷♂️
Yes I'm hunting for it too
Balls. Thanks for the delay, AMD :(
*melancholic glance in my case window*
At 2:58 you said there would be a link to the other MB review in the comments, but no link is present. :)
Weeeeellp. There go my upgrade plans I had been making for over a year.
Thanks for pranking us, AMD. Very Intel of you. :|
Yep same xD have a 2600x still paired with my 2070 super. (Did a GPU upgrade first). But now I'm stuck to either 3000 or get a b550 board and hope to see that ryzen 4000 will be a very big increase over 3000 series cpu. Making it actually worth getting for several years till another upgrade is needed again.
@@Pand0rasAct0r_ my bet is to just wait for zen4. That'll be on ddr5. Just do a whole system upgrade then if you want to do that. Getting a new mobo JUST for zen3 is silly.
This channel sometimes becomes accidental ASMR and I like it.
Oh come on, the only time to summon Bruce Dickinson is at 2 minutes to midnight, but only if you have a Fear of the Dark, though you can't be Afraid to shoot strangers but you'll have to Be quick or be dead, it's as if Maiden set themselves up for these puns...
I also posted this on Paul's Hardware video on the new B550 motherboards : The Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master doesn't support SLI ONLY dual Radeon ! The second as well as the third PCIex 16x slots have ONLY 4x electrical connection !!!!!! So keep that in mind if you want SLI ( insert derp face here :) ) , or (more importantly) if you need a second 8x slot for fast storage (for those who want to add more storage via M.2 to PCIex 16x adapters).
Allow me to rephrase that title
"AMD being a d!ck explained"
The "motherboards have limited ROM capacity" is just total BS from AMD.
1- even some of the Expensive X570 boards have 16MB ROM and these boards will support 4th gen, meanwhile B450 Tomahawk Max from MSI has 32MB and will not support 4th gen.
2- most of us bought B450 boards under the impression it will support 4th gen based on their missleading claims.
3- if im not mistaken AMD claimed to support AM4 boards until and during 2020 in one of their older slides.
4- you can simply drop 1st gen support form boards that are going to upgrade to 4th gen.
5- most of "techtubers" and other reviewrs recommended X570 boards ONLY if you care about PCI-E 4..
never have AMD, board partners nor reviewers stated that 4xx boards will be obsolete in the very near future.
6- B550 was delayed almost a whole year... meaning that me and many others who were trying to guarantee future compatibility for upcoming CPUs were forced to either buy over-heating / over-priced X570 boards or just buy any decent 4xx board.
Its obviously easier to blame us consumers for having boards with "small ROM chips" instead of making board partners take the fall for their delays...
Guess its our fault now B550 was delayed
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Also if they are so concerned for limited Bios Rom Capacity, Manufacturers can throw away those unessential eye candy GUI and just put all necessary functionality with basic UI to save bios rom space.
Amd did say that They support am4 socket to 2020, not same as am4 motherboards... I do remember that same slide. But I was Also,hoping that it would mean Also am4 motherboards, not just socket.
This wouldn't have happened if all MB manufacturers included more ROM capacity rather than cheaping out and giving less. They also promised that AM4 would be supported until 2020, with no exact date specified. For those reasons and others, the 4000 series' lack of support for 400 series boards is not AMD's fault and the drop of support was made clear from the beginning.
What would be the title if it was Intel? They change chipsets like every two years.
14:30 to 14:45 So PCIE 4 is different for the CPU, Chipset and Usable configurations?
The charts say 1 minute back say that B550 is only PCIe Gen3 for the chipset and usuable configurations. But at 14:45 you said they will support PCIeGen 4 CPUs? Could you please help clarify this for me. By the way I have started studying IT, so I spend my weekends trying to learn about the finer details of hardware.
there are multiple ways to get pcie lanes. the first is to get them direct from the cpu, the second is to get them from the chipset. what amd did here is allow the gpu and an ssd to use the cpu lanes rather than the chipset lanes, thus giving pcie gen 4.
however, the chipset, which is of course used for other stuff, is only gen 3.
I like how you steered away from talking about the memory size limitations nonsense, better not to comment on that, LOL.
Rocking a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master as of last week! It rocks! Going to have to buy 3 pcie gen4 nvme drives for it now!! Yes you heard right, this motherboard has an extra 2 gen 4 nvme slots direct to cpu! (It steals 8x lanes from the graphics card slot when nvme's are installed there).
Major punch in the gut to learn B450 won't be supported...
still don't get it. In the slide at the end it says PCIE 4.0 for NVME and graphics. So really only difference from X570 is no PCIE 4 link to chipset? What are we losing because of this?
What about Ryzen 4000 APUs? If compatibility is tied to architecture, 400 series mobos should work with ryzen 4000 APUs right?
i do believe that may be entirely up to the board manufacturers
I somehow find this lack of support for Ryzen 4000 unlikely. If so, that'd make the *5xx chipsets a failure, because 2021 Ryzen CPUS will most likely support DDR5 and require a new socket.
i am so pissed off that they drag their asses getting the b550 out and when they do they say you can't use your current cpu? On top of that you can't use their new cpu on your current board you bough because you didn't want to overspend on an X570? Fuck that, just going to get a new GPU and not bother upgrading anymore. I wouldn't buy this series now anyway wait till the AM5..this is a screwjob gen.
Just wait for Zen 4. You don't have to upgrade your CPU every two years
@@Anderson_Hwang Agreed. The only reason I even upgraded to Zen 2 was I was able to get the 3900x for $450 on a discount for 12 cores and 24 threads for rendering workloads. I will hold out until Zen 4 at a minimum of 30% on IPC performance. Then I might consider upgrading my 2700x build.
Always informative always cools to get these updates thanks guys!
Wow..Good thing I bought x470 for the socket support. That's really stupid.
Now I kinda hope the gains of 4000 is insignificant.
I'll take that money I was considering for a cpu bump and throw it at a 3080ti budget ;]
RTX 3080 Ti most likely has PCI-E 4.0 support.
I recently got to like your videos cause they are soo detailed thank you guys
4:35 Perhaps it depends on the Motherboard manufacturer. I am running an Asrock x570 ITX TB3 With a Ryzen 3 3200g no problem. IMHO I'd gladly trade a couple of x86 cores and threads for a good IGP that can accelerate porcesses with GPGPU compute. A lot of productivity apps take advantage of that if it is available. Though of course a GPU would be better.
I got a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro AX and it worked with my 3400G despite the packaging explicitly saying “Not compatible with 3400G and 3200G processors”
I am going to change it to a 3700x since the XMP profiles won’t allow the system to boot, but the fact is that some boards may list incompatibility yet cab function with ‘incompatible’ hardware
So to sum it up: AMD delayed B550 for a year and we we all bought x470 on our upgrade to zen2 (to cheap out, due to a lack on the mid range segment etc) and now AMD decided to not allow an upgrade?
Really? Its like the Tik/Tok of intel.
So AMD had delayed and the customer have to pay it twice? So Intel wasn't that evil after all.
They just have to create a new sockets that would be better at this point. "AMD will keep AM4, buy B450/x470 its the best value now if you don't need PCIe 4.0." Yea... and now?
This not a clean communication from them!
This is bullshit! I'm on an Intel PC. I was hoping that AMD would create a better market with value for the consumer but this is a pure marketink shit.
Will Zen3 be on DDR5? If so Just make another socket.
PCIe is backward compatible due to how it works, so a upstream port should be able to negotiate a lower speed.
The Zen architecture is independent of the chipset and all the IO/s are connected to the chipset and teh CPU don't have to know how that shit works.
CPU Microcode is loaded throu the Chipset or the SPI bus is directly connected to the CPU? I think that the LPC and the SPI bus are coming out from the CPU. So the init code of the cpu is independent of the chipset. (Actually I can confirm this, just looked on some schematics and block diagrams and Zen boot code)
The only thing that is connected also to the CPU is the HDA and some USB3 but it's a standardized interface and thould be independent of the CPU series... In fat they are uing the Ip block from older CPUS and are all connected via internal PCI or PCIEs links.
The only limit I see is the MB VRMs. But this would means that the nuew CPUs are power hungry.
BTW I would love to have the money to see if a AMD MB could boot without the chipset, it should. (unless the Watchdog and the RTC are in that; nop just cheked RTC is on the SuperIO init code is run by the ARM PSP itself like on older AMD cpus. So yes the CPU could self run without a chipset LOL).
So the chipset its just a fancy PLX hats why it was made by asmedia they have the IPs for Sata and the USB. No idea why the newer cpus would not run on "old" hardware.
To mee this is just a marketing BS. Lets hope into MB vendors.
I think you're right, Supermicro's Epyc boards do not have a chipset, they list the chipset as "System on Chip"
yup b550 is already dead
Love having the website Steve. Good for quick reference. And please write your chipset song.
AMD started fresh with a clean slate and within 3 years managed to fuck up the naming scheme to make unnecessarily confusing to those who don't follow tech
ahh wot ?
And those who don’t follow tech usual just walk into a store and pick up the flashiest PC within their budget they see with the biggest numbers on. The amount of listings I see for second hand computers where they only say it’s an i7 CPU is ridiculous.
@@madmax2069
Ryzen 1000 - zen
Ryzen 2000 - zen
Ryzen 3000 - zen 2
Ryzen 4000
Ryzen 4000 mobile which is actually just 3000 chips.
Motherboard chipset naming copied from Intel. B350 B450 then B550 breaks compatibility.
If you follow the releases it all makes sense but if you look at it objectively without AMD fan boy glasses, you have to admit that they had the opportunity to name them sensibly
Building my rig with an x570 board tonight, can't wait!
Honestly what AMD is currently doing with AM4 is not that different from Intel's whole Z270/Z370 incompatible thing. In fact I would argue it's worse cuz Intel made a very clear cut, while AMD is like "well we aren't technically wrong so you can't sue use but we want you to buy new boards so fuck you all"
Difference is we are talking about architecture change. Intel just releases refined Haswell under new names for last 5 years.
@@VeeeeryyyFaaaastSlooooth so you are okay with AMD doing such practice?
So I know this is over a year later, but the 3000 series Zen+ support isn’t entirely defunct. This may be an edge case but I purchased a Gigabyte B550i Aorus Pro AX micro-ITX board. The box explicitly states that it is incompatible with 3400G and 3200G, yet when I put it all together, it worked. My best guess as to why it was advertised as such has to do with the fact that XMP profiles may be extremely hit or miss and you obviously won’t get PCIE Gen 4 for Zen + CPU/APUs.
This was only meant as a stopgap for this PC so I will have a 3700x in its place very soon.
The compatibility in short, is variable for zen +.