I love how Buildzoid has to basically add a disclaimer to his viewpoints about motherboards for the Normies :D. Not complaining, Im one of those Normies.
Back in the day I had lots of motherboard fan failures. I've sworn off any motherboard with its own fan ever since. I used to own a computer store, and worked at several others, so not just talking about my own machines. So this is actually the only way I'd go for an X570 board.
And they tend to be "proprietary" type fans so the only way to get a replacement is to order one from the mainboard vendor -- and that shit will take WEEKS to arrive. If one of my motherboard fans died back in the day I would just ziptie a case fan to it and be done but nobody should have to do that for a product they paid for.
One on my x570 pro wifi never turns on except during post,even on its most agressive curve, dont see it wearing out anytime soon, even if it just failed without wearing out i doubt it would be an issue. Airflows is not much of an issue with the 9 3k noctuas, might have something to do with it never needing to run!
This hasn't been an issue for X570 boards. For one they don't JUST run, the chipset needs to be hot enough to warrant it so you have to be pushing a bit of data across the link for it to start running. So, I've seen people complaining about the fans existing, but a rare comment about a fan actually failing. Even gaming with an NVMe connected via the chipset, I don't have any issues and the fan is only going some of the time, mostly load times. Not a big deal. And these fans are much better than "back in the day". I also had a couple systems with chipset fans, never had one go bad. But I also didn't OC the link between the CPU and chipset.
The block diagrams are likely separating things by iommu groups, so on the master the 2x m2 slots aren't sharing lanes, they may be grouped together in a single iommu group making it less useful for virtualization and hardware passthrough
Wish we just had 32 lanes, 2x X16 like the old days (more bandwidth obviously). X16 gpu + X16 Quad M.2 takes up allot less space than plastering drives all over a full size motherboard. Even ITX boards often have 2 slots, A 3x bigger board just for 1 extra chewing gum sided SSD is dumb.
That is where U.2 interface should come in. There is just limited amount of space you can stick M.2 drives on the board. I do agree with you on the need of more PCI-e lanes. Unfortunately, neither AMD nor Intel want to step up. Intel merely reached parity with AMD with 20 PCI-e lanes on the CPU on Rocket Lake platform.
@@fleurdewin7958 keep forgetting about u.2. We have sata express, we have powered esata, sata group needs to get their finger out and give us powered sata express. Plug in your ssd with a sata cable and it gets power and a pcie x1 lane which at pcie4 is still nearly 2GB/s. That way people can choose between storage and graphics. I think well see pcie expand again when they run out of adding more cores. 990fx had 32 through the chipset which is now the io die. 3930k used to have 40 direct to cpu. There's no reason for 5950x to only have 20+4.
My favorite thing about your channel is its literally just for you to go over tech they way you wanna cover it, idk what it is this year but if I'm not listening to comics its someone going over tech so a dummy like me can understand it which I'm very thankful for.
Amount of SATA and M.2 are my main look for, so yeah X570 all the time. Depend on the mobo B450/550 diactivates some to a lot of SATA ports so I'm looking foward to this X570S mobos. I hate the noise my TUF X570 started to make after a year and a half of use with time to time cleaning.
How much sata do you need.. If you getting 4 full, then its already plenty for me.. X570S is way to expensive.. Got my self a B550 master board. The only sata ports goes disable are actually non.. Only if you going to use sata 3 port 4 a 5 , the last PCI-e 3.0 x4 slot will to down on X2.. But i will never going over 4 sata drives in my build. And the board can also provide 3x M.2 PCI-e 4.0 4x bandwith.. 1 from the cpu. and last two takes Pci-e 4.0 8x lanes from the highest PCI 4.0 x16 slot.. (for the 4 a 6 years iam using this board, never going needed more then 4.0 x8 bandwith for the graphics card. And them at least going to wait for DDR6 / PCI-e 6.0
@@rallyscoot At the moment in my NZXT H440 I have one 500GB SSD NVMe for the OS, one 1TB SSD NVMe for soft and Steam library, one 480GB SSD SATA for the "testing and breaking" OS and 5 HDD SATA (14TB) for my family Plex and NAS servers. I really do tend use all my storage abailable ports TUF X570 has 2 M.2 and 8 SATA ports that can be used simultaneously (was using all ports before I got a 6TB to make some space removing 3 smaller drives).
So not on this list because it probably came later, the Gigabyte X570S Aorus Elite which is a less costly board, and Gigabyte made this board like an expensive X570 board even though it's not. So for one, Gigabyte added USB3.2 gen2x2 to I think all these boards and I think they all have at least 3 NVMe ports which used to be the domain of expensive X570 boards so all in all THANK YOU Gigabyte. Throw a 5800X3D on an Auros Elite and you have an excellent gaming system.
I own a Dark Hero, and as far as I can see, the Dynamic OC switcher has been made somewhat redundant by the introduction of Curve Optimiser, as C.O. is a "better" way to overclock. Also, Asus made an abysmal effort with the Dark Hero's manual; it's non existant. It doesn't even mentioned the Dynamic OC Switcher feature. You're basically left having to find and use the C8H WiFi manual.
I picked up a Gigabyte X570S UD at CCL (UK) for £134 , put my old AMD 3900XT in it and bought 16gb Kingston beast DDR4 3600 for £40. Popped in 2 x 500Gb NVME and now have a great 2nd/backup/media/office PC . Very happy for the price .
Not having troubleshooting LEDs on a flagship chipset board, which is not going to be cheap either, is a shocking cheapout to me. I don't even see those as an overclocking feature, I've needed them so many times diagnosing problems at stock settings that I'd hesitate to use a board without them in a Grandma's Facebook Machine build, let alone anything that would justify X570.
On the master, you can use either the sata or the M.2 in one of the slots. For the other slot you can use either the m.2 or the bottom pcie slot. So if you plan on using all 4 m.2 slots then don't plan on using the sata connections or the bottom pcie slot.
The X570S UD is really good value if you can find it cheap. Probably gonna get one, been tempted by the Gaming X too but there's really not that much difference for a hike in price besides the extra M.2 heat sink.
I picked up a Gigabyte X570S UD at CCL for £134 , put my old AMD 3900XT in it and bought 16gb Kingston beast DDR4 3600 for £40. Popped in 2 500Gb x NVME and now have a great 2nd/backup/media/office PC . Very happy for the price .
@@dakoderii4221 I really would think think because only the display signal is coco g from the GPU and just for the sake of it you could connect an external DP cable from another system and it should still work.
How did the board makers get into saying stages in phases? Asus used cheaper controllers so marketing replaced "phase" with "stage" and hoped noobs wouldn't know the difference. Nobody called them on it (not enough). So "18 stage vrm!" using an ASP1106 and triple SiC639's per phase is the future as everyones joining the bandwagon. It works but just as people can look purely at phasecount and buy trash its so easy for people to be misled, neither should be overly praised.
The X570 Aorus master 1.2 is a TERRIBLE board for the 5000 series for single core. I have never in my life had so many issues with BIOS/Performance. Keeping my 5950x below 68c in R23 multicore the chip and it scored great in multi, but single core wouldn't boost properly despite the lower temps. 5900x seems to be a mess on this board as well. The chip has single core boost issues even at low temps for both. MSI MEG works PERFECTLY with 5000 series. 5+GHZ boosts out of box. Amazing boost clocks in games 4.9ghz + on cores while gaming with some simple tuning to PBO.
Not only does the b550 version come with the postcode it also has Thunderbolt on board, so you lose those, in order gain one extra ssd at full speed if you sacrifice your sata ports. Not really an upgrade. Aero has the OC tuner but yeah not postcode so are you really going to do enough OC to make use of it?
@@towatchvids I guess it’s a trade off. If you plan on using more Nvme and filling the slots, it likely means you’re using less sata drives. I plan on filling all of the nvme slots with no sata drives myself, so I doubt I’ll ever miss that. I do think it sucks the post code is gone, but to be really honest, if you’re throwing PBO and XMP on and going about your day, the post code is just a visual distraction. If you want post codes and care about extreme memory OC and having dual bios there are other boards better suited than the aero.
@@jammetortiz808 yeah that's super strange but in amd does it matters and being a creator board does it matters but as an upgrade that sucks off not having it!
Master S also lacks Dual-BIOS, BIOS switches. There are no pictures of the backside but specs do not show a backplate like the orifginal. Biggest upgrades are better phases, 2 more USB ports and one extra M.2 port. But in my opinion this does not make up for downsides.
@@Raivo_K really surprised he didn't mention the reduction of a LAN port. I've never used the 2nd lan port on my X570 master but I'm assuming people with local networks would want that.
I just want to say swapping to these boards was the hardest thing ever. I've sent the same drive through x570-b450-b550 and no problems at all. But going to X570S was a huge issue. The board didn't come with any drivers installed. And just getting windows to install was a headache. I didn't want to deal with it at the time, but a few days later it's running just fine. I don't know if that's just a Gigabyte issue, but i've never gotten a mobo that was missing drivers. I'd expect newer drivers to be missing, but it was missing drivers older than release date.
Imho, the most successful board design and distribution of PCI-e lines on the Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite. There is no unnecessary second slot for the video card, in which you can't even put the M2 controller or something else, otherwise the PCI-e16x speed will be cut for the video card. Nonsense. Why unsolder connectors that 99% will not be used.
You mintioned that b550 are better than x570 due to bclk overclocking I dont understand all of that But what i really care about is which of them is better in infinity fabric overclocking?? Does the bclk overclocking affect the infinity fabric overclocking ? Which chip is better in infinity fabric overclocking? And as a total recomendation from your experience which am4 motherboard that can achive hieghest stable infinity fabric?? Isit evga dark or msi unify x or asus dark hero or what??
If the "S" in X570S is just for fanless and the new chipset has no other features, does that mean that the USB issues are still intact that AMD was trying to patch out without success?
actually the 570S is EXACTLY (same silicon, same node) the same chipsaet as the non S Version. The energysavings are soley done by new firmware/bios that increases efficiency = all non 570 boards will benefit too when bioses are rolled out. The S is only for distuingishinh the models with and without fan
Many of us don't have USB issues so some of them might be due to system instability or device bugs, not necessarily AGESA issues. I hope the issue gets solved for everyone though. 🙂
He said early on it's the same x570 chip with a different heatsink, but it's either a new die-shrink or some other hardware change to increase efficiency.
No, its not. Hard to believe, but the 570s is exactly the same silicon on same node. Just google it, there are official statements from eg asus that adressing this exact question. The energysavings is done SOLEY by new Firmware/Bios that improved the efficiency. So even older non S chipsets/boards will benefit, once all bioses are rolled out.
@@ruhbartlaschh9962 There is a difference in power consumption however: X570S boards are specced to 7W chipset TDP, unlike ones with chipset fans, which are specced to 15W chipset TDP.
Is there any chance at all due to perhaps better chipset silicon, board layout or manufacturing improvements, for more consistent FCLK2000 with Zen3 on these X570S boards? As in, improvement over the 1900 that many are capped at at the moment. I have had 5 Zen3 CPU's now on my X570 (Tomahawk) and all cap at 1900 for 1:1 WHEA free. None at 1866 or 1933, all at 1900. Motherboard must at least play a role. Many agesa's later, still all the same. Could X570S give improvements?
Been eyeing the new Master just because i already have 3 NVMe SSDs, and if i ever needed i could have 4 on the board and 2 extra on a riser. The only downside i see is that all new boards lack SLI, but on today's market, you'd be lucky to have one GPU. GB have been riding on the IR3553 for so long i thought they still had a couple more warehouses full of them... never thought i'd see the day they'd run out.
The lack of SLI is hardly the biggest downside on the Master S. It also lacks Dual-BIOS, BIOS switches and does away with Dual-Ethernet. There are no pictures of the backside but specs do not show a backplate like the orifginal. Biggest upgrades are better phases, 2 more USB ports and one extra M.2 port. But in my opinion this does not make up for downsides.
@@Raivo_K To me, single BIOS isn't a huge issue, especially if it is GB. Dual BIOS with switches > single BIOS > dual BIOS. My last GB mobo with dual BIOS and a switch was my Z77 UP5, and it was awesome. Dual ethernet is really a niche feature, if you're a user that can take advantage of that you aren't necessarily getting an overclocking board to begin with. I really hope it comes with a backplate, that was something i haven't paid attention to, and yes, if the board comes without one it'd be a downside.
@@josebonilla101 no no, it's dead-dead, not since Pascal. Nvidia officially dropped support. You can be certain legacy support on benchmarks will be dropped as new benchmarking software emerges.
1 week ago i bought the B550 master from gigabyte.. Think its the best B550 motherboard possible.. Its using 3x m.2 pci 4.0 4x (one is from the cpu the other two goes over the rest of the first pci-e 4.0 x16 slot.. I really dont care if the chipset lanes are 3.0.. Because its already a good upgrade over my asus rog x470 crosshair hero -IV wifi AM4. That board have only pcie gen 2 on the chipset lanes. Why i didnt going for x570(S) because B550 is released later, so its newer on that point. X570S isnt worth the price premium they asking now in compared to the older X570 boards. They really love the ask 60 - 150 euros more then the older ones. Which is insane. It doesnt have much to offer over the older gen.
Nvidia doesn't support nvlink/sli anymore. No more optiizations, from driver updates etc. Only game developers can " optimize " it on theyr games, but without any optimization coming from nvidia, nvlink/sli is pretty dead right now, at least for gaming. About the 12 phases claim, it's just for marketing. People see that " 12 " Phases and go nuts. They also moved the battery on the Master, Pro and Aero. In almost every other mobo, it was down the armored slot of the main gpu. Hope you can get 1 of this boards to test it. Thanks to share your toughts. EDIT : I think Aero have to be a sort of Vision with a different name.
Imho, the most successful board design and distribution of PCI-e lines on the Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite. There is no unnecessary second slot for the video card, in which you can't even put the M2 controller or something else, otherwise the PCI-e16x speed will be cut for the video card. Nonsense. Why unsolder connectors that 99% will not be used.
They target different price points. That means cutting some costs. There are certainly cases where they cutting too much in the name of higher margins though.
Can you touch more on BCLK OC on B550 in a future video? I was unaware that this was even an option, as I have an x570 Strix E that fails to post at 100.5. Also all precision boost completely stops working when bclk is changed from auto and the cpu goes into a fixed oc mode.
So I usually like the vision motherboards from gigabyte but the Aero G is kinda disappointing. No clear cmos button whatsoever and they didn't put the bios button on the back. I don't care for sli but at the price this is going to go for the old X570 master has it. No post code, no dual ethernet, no dual bios switches, no thunderbolt. Just get the old or new x570 master imo.
the main thing I look 4 is ssd controller, ram controller, pci controller. audio controller, i/o controller, any other controller's!! plus input's 2 the MB chipset. and the lanes going in2 the CPU! I use MSI..msi used several direct inputs 2 the CPU!! & anything going from a controller chip, 2 chipset..then 2 CPU will have a serious ''latency''!! so.. I'm a fan of ''NO'' damn controller chips!!good luck!!
Now that x300, x400 and x500 are mature and ddr4 is mature as well, not really. But even just last year, I bought b450 that couldn't do XMP on my ram kit until I got a Bios update in it. It's never important, until it is.
they are a good as a rough indicator of what a board can do relative to other boards from the same manufacturer. I don't actually buy RAM based on them.
Hi. I m looking for someone with a bit of knowledge. Can you tell me how many real phases the Asrock X570s riptide has? Do you think it is enough to run a 5950x or will it die prematurely? Other (might sound stupid) question: I saw that seasonic released some fanless power supplies (the highest potential available in my country is like 700watts for those). Would a regular PSU (with a fan) of 1000 watts work without burning if I simply remove its fan and limit its power draw (like making a PC with 700 watts total power draw to not reach the 1000 watts treshold) The power supply i have is a "silencer mk2 silver 950 watts" from OCZ) I m willing to make a Pc as silent as possible... thx if you can reply.
3:00 Dude doesnt B550 supporting Pcie 4 at all mean that its successfully running and supporting Pcie 4 through the North Bridge? Which is part of the Chipset. Just because it doesnt have the lanes or perhaps its specifically lacking Pcie 4 via the South Bridge thats the difference but like. The B550 "Chipset" still supports Pcie 4. Seems like kind of a no no to say B550 "Chipset" doesnt support Pcie 4 when it does just not as fully.
X570 is the only PCI-E 4.0 chipset for consumer boards at this point in time. B550 and Intel's current boards only do PCI-E 4.0 for the lanes connected directly to the CPU. Besides that, they are PCI-E 3.0.
@@blunden2 Oh Im aware. It slipped my mind that the first of the lanes were connected to the Cpu and not the northbridge. and I feel pretty Space cadet about it. I knew B550 only had what like 20x lanes for it? It supports a Gpu and one M.2? But for some reason the block diagram in my head routed that shit through the northbridge like a friggin game of telephone
ok, though I had seen an ad for one of them boards only to have doubts that it was an old x470 gaming 7 board with "REAL HEATSINKS!"(tm) on the VRM. maybe I wasn't hallucinating about there being no chipset fan on x570, lol. now, can I get a copper version of what Gigabyte put on the master, hmmm. would be nice to have an actual pin-fin heatsink instead of that sticker wanna-be on the Aero, however, I'm sure I can mod something from Aavid/Boyd thermal solutions. no rush, prices have gone dumb stupid and I will NEVER pay 600usd for a 240usd motherboard, so no rush, maybe in a few months if not next year. that fan for the less than 30-watt chip was a hard pass for me. it's inefficient and bad design. the under-powered x370 board is doing well enough.
I finally decided to drop Intel and come over to AMD but my god this is a disaster finding a board & memory this is why I never wanted to switch to AMD all these years when it comes to building a machine. I'm going to a 5900x and I have no idea what houses board to get. Just days of listening to videos and I'm no closer in finding what I want.
Did I hear you correctly. B550 doesn't support pci e 4.0. Go and do your research before you say something absurd like that. B550 does support pci e 4.0 to a curtain extend. Linus tech tips or Jayz two cents is a good place to start to get some tips or even on actual B550 mb specs.
Time stamp ? If so he obviously misspoke.. I seriously doubt either Linus or Jay has much to teach him in this regard. I mean he did the B550 and X570 motherboard run thru for Gamers Nexus so the tell him to do some research and watch Linus or Jay is just laughable at best... so I will assume you just forgot to add a "/s" to your post...
no post code is a deal breaker / the aero looks great then you find out it has no post code so its just a nice looking paper weight /what a stupid move to not have a post code
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I love how Buildzoid has to basically add a disclaimer to his viewpoints about motherboards for the Normies :D.
Not complaining, Im one of those Normies.
I’m glad he does
Dear Zotac: how can i build a 16 phase garbage vrm?
Zotac: riiiiiiiight here.
Back in the day I had lots of motherboard fan failures. I've sworn off any motherboard with its own fan ever since. I used to own a computer store, and worked at several others, so not just talking about my own machines.
So this is actually the only way I'd go for an X570 board.
And they tend to be "proprietary" type fans so the only way to get a replacement is to order one from the mainboard vendor -- and that shit will take WEEKS to arrive. If one of my motherboard fans died back in the day I would just ziptie a case fan to it and be done but nobody should have to do that for a product they paid for.
One on my x570 pro wifi never turns on except during post,even on its most agressive curve, dont see it wearing out anytime soon, even if it just failed without wearing out i doubt it would be an issue. Airflows is not much of an issue with the 9 3k noctuas, might have something to do with it never needing to run!
This hasn't been an issue for X570 boards. For one they don't JUST run, the chipset needs to be hot enough to warrant it so you have to be pushing a bit of data across the link for it to start running.
So, I've seen people complaining about the fans existing, but a rare comment about a fan actually failing. Even gaming with an NVMe connected via the chipset, I don't have any issues and the fan is only going some of the time, mostly load times. Not a big deal. And these fans are much better than "back in the day". I also had a couple systems with chipset fans, never had one go bad. But I also didn't OC the link between the CPU and chipset.
The block diagrams are likely separating things by iommu groups, so on the master the 2x m2 slots aren't sharing lanes, they may be grouped together in a single iommu group making it less useful for virtualization and hardware passthrough
This, I have yet to see someone post groups but it looks like USB got the same treatment.
Wish we just had 32 lanes, 2x X16 like the old days (more bandwidth obviously).
X16 gpu + X16 Quad M.2 takes up allot less space than plastering drives all over a full size motherboard.
Even ITX boards often have 2 slots, A 3x bigger board just for 1 extra chewing gum sided SSD is dumb.
That is where U.2 interface should come in. There is just limited amount of space you can stick M.2 drives on the board. I do agree with you on the need of more PCI-e lanes. Unfortunately, neither AMD nor Intel want to step up. Intel merely reached parity with AMD with 20 PCI-e lanes on the CPU on Rocket Lake platform.
@@fleurdewin7958 keep forgetting about u.2. We have sata express, we have powered esata, sata group needs to get their finger out and give us powered sata express.
Plug in your ssd with a sata cable and it gets power and a pcie x1 lane which at pcie4 is still nearly 2GB/s.
That way people can choose between storage and graphics.
I think well see pcie expand again when they run out of adding more cores.
990fx had 32 through the chipset which is now the io die.
3930k used to have 40 direct to cpu.
There's no reason for 5950x to only have 20+4.
My favorite thing about your channel is its literally just for you to go over tech they way you wanna cover it, idk what it is this year but if I'm not listening to comics its someone going over tech so a dummy like me can understand it which I'm very thankful for.
Amount of SATA and M.2 are my main look for, so yeah X570 all the time. Depend on the mobo B450/550 diactivates some to a lot of SATA ports so I'm looking foward to this X570S mobos. I hate the noise my TUF X570 started to make after a year and a half of use with time to time cleaning.
How much sata do you need.. If you getting 4 full, then its already plenty for me.. X570S is way to expensive.. Got my self a B550 master board. The only sata ports goes disable are actually non.. Only if you going to use sata 3 port 4 a 5 , the last PCI-e 3.0 x4 slot will to down on X2.. But i will never going over 4 sata drives in my build.
And the board can also provide 3x M.2 PCI-e 4.0 4x bandwith..
1 from the cpu. and last two takes Pci-e 4.0 8x lanes from the highest PCI 4.0 x16 slot.. (for the 4 a 6 years iam using this board, never going needed more then 4.0 x8 bandwith for the graphics card. And them at least going to wait for DDR6 / PCI-e 6.0
@@rallyscoot At the moment in my NZXT H440 I have one 500GB SSD NVMe for the OS, one 1TB SSD NVMe for soft and Steam library, one 480GB SSD SATA for the "testing and breaking" OS and 5 HDD SATA (14TB) for my family Plex and NAS servers. I really do tend use all my storage abailable ports
TUF X570 has 2 M.2 and 8 SATA ports that can be used simultaneously (was using all ports before I got a 6TB to make some space removing 3 smaller drives).
Hey Gigabyte how many USB's do you have
Gigabyte: Yes.
So not on this list because it probably came later, the Gigabyte X570S Aorus Elite which is a less costly board, and Gigabyte made this board like an expensive X570 board even though it's not.
So for one, Gigabyte added USB3.2 gen2x2 to I think all these boards and I think they all have at least 3 NVMe ports which used to be the domain of expensive X570 boards so all in all THANK YOU Gigabyte. Throw a 5800X3D on an Auros Elite and you have an excellent gaming system.
30:13 The old UD had only one M.2 slot whereas the new UD has 3 btw
I own a Dark Hero, and as far as I can see, the Dynamic OC switcher has been made somewhat redundant by the introduction of Curve Optimiser, as C.O. is a "better" way to overclock. Also, Asus made an abysmal effort with the Dark Hero's manual; it's non existant. It doesn't even mentioned the Dynamic OC Switcher feature. You're basically left having to find and use the C8H WiFi manual.
You never fail me!! Was waiting for this video!
I picked up a Gigabyte X570S UD at CCL (UK) for £134 , put my old AMD 3900XT in it and bought 16gb Kingston beast DDR4 3600 for £40. Popped in 2 x 500Gb NVME and now have a great 2nd/backup/media/office PC . Very happy for the price .
Not having troubleshooting LEDs on a flagship chipset board, which is not going to be cheap either, is a shocking cheapout to me. I don't even see those as an overclocking feature, I've needed them so many times diagnosing problems at stock settings that I'd hesitate to use a board without them in a Grandma's Facebook Machine build, let alone anything that would justify X570.
Which one is the flagship? I'd think it would be the Master and doesn't that have a debug led?
On the master, you can use either the sata or the M.2 in one of the slots. For the other slot you can use either the m.2 or the bottom pcie slot. So if you plan on using all 4 m.2 slots then don't plan on using the sata connections or the bottom pcie slot.
"ask Zotac how to build one of those" 🔥
I just received the x570s Aorus Master today. So that was a great upgrade from the x570 UD 😂
With my Ryzen 9 5950x, 64 GB Ram and 2+4 TB NVMe.
How is it?
These videos are among my favourites. Probably because they don't come along very often.
They sure are pretty, these days. Remember when it used to look like the inside of a stereo that someone forgot to put the cover back on?
I still love old pcb's!
MSI just officailly released their x570s line-ups, look at those USB ports on UNIFY-X MAX, 3 rows, they are really pushed by users.
Dont like their Realtek RTL 40xx series usb connected) audio.
The X570S UD is really good value if you can find it cheap. Probably gonna get one, been tempted by the Gaming X too but there's really not that much difference for a hike in price besides the extra M.2 heat sink.
Did you ever pick up that x570 motherboard and do you think it will work out of the box without a bios update with the r 6500?
@@DavyKrankit hey, no I didn't. I actually picked up an MSI B550 Unify instead. It's a board that's well recommended by Buildzoid.
@@camotech1314 Did your board work out of the box with out a bios update?
I picked up a Gigabyte X570S UD at CCL for £134 , put my old AMD 3900XT in it and bought 16gb Kingston beast DDR4 3600 for £40. Popped in 2 500Gb x NVME and now have a great 2nd/backup/media/office PC . Very happy for the price .
You should do a full X570S comparison video on Gamernexus' channel.
The Aero G has a DP in connector for one of the USB-C outputs. It can also do 60W (!) of PD.
12v 5A just bridge the PSU 12v
Does that 60W count toward the total power for the GPU the way high fan speed can lower the current available to the GPU?
@@dakoderii4221 I really would think think because only the display signal is coco g from the GPU and just for the sake of it you could connect an external DP cable from another system and it should still work.
btw the something at the end like x570i or x570M mostly means the form of the boards which is either mini-itx or micro-atx
How did the board makers get into saying stages in phases?
Asus used cheaper controllers so marketing replaced "phase" with "stage" and hoped noobs wouldn't know the difference.
Nobody called them on it (not enough). So "18 stage vrm!" using an ASP1106 and triple SiC639's per phase is the future as everyones joining the bandwagon.
It works but just as people can look purely at phasecount and buy trash its so easy for people to be misled, neither should be overly praised.
nah the fake phases started before even X58. It's been around for a very very long time and IDK who started it.
Thank you for the video. Now a bit of offtopic, is Asus Crosshair VIII X570 Impact, the 2 dimm board still a thing for memory OC nowadays?
not really b550 clocks memory better. and asus has prioritized the dark hero with beta bios updates..
I had the B550, but it only has 4 SATA ports and I have 5 SATA devices. So I returned the B550 and got the X570S, since it was on sale at Newegg.
The X570 Aorus master 1.2 is a TERRIBLE board for the 5000 series for single core. I have never in my life had so many issues with BIOS/Performance. Keeping my 5950x below 68c in R23 multicore the chip and it scored great in multi, but single core wouldn't boost properly despite the lower temps. 5900x seems to be a mess on this board as well. The chip has single core boost issues even at low temps for both. MSI MEG works PERFECTLY with 5000 series. 5+GHZ boosts out of box. Amazing boost clocks in games 4.9ghz + on cores while gaming with some simple tuning to PBO.
x570 master rev1.1 with 5950x here. What are your R23 scores?
The aero g in my eyes is a vision d upgrade of b550 vision d
losing the postcode is an upgrade yeah
@@jammetortiz808 Sadge
Not only does the b550 version come with the postcode it also has Thunderbolt on board, so you lose those, in order gain one extra ssd at full speed if you sacrifice your sata ports. Not really an upgrade. Aero has the OC tuner but yeah not postcode so are you really going to do enough OC to make use of it?
@@towatchvids I guess it’s a trade off. If you plan on using more Nvme and filling the slots, it likely means you’re using less sata drives. I plan on filling all of the nvme slots with no sata drives myself, so I doubt I’ll ever miss that. I do think it sucks the post code is gone, but to be really honest, if you’re throwing PBO and XMP on and going about your day, the post code is just a visual distraction. If you want post codes and care about extreme memory OC and having dual bios there are other boards better suited than the aero.
@@jammetortiz808 yeah that's super strange but in amd does it matters and being a creator board does it matters but as an upgrade that sucks off not having it!
they dropped a lan port on the new master as well.
Master S also lacks Dual-BIOS, BIOS switches.
There are no pictures of the backside but specs do not show a backplate like the orifginal.
Biggest upgrades are better phases, 2 more USB ports and one extra M.2 port.
But in my opinion this does not make up for downsides.
@@Raivo_K really surprised he didn't mention the reduction of a LAN port. I've never used the 2nd lan port on my X570 master but I'm assuming people with local networks would want that.
Could you please review the creator pro art boards? thanks
Do you think Gigabyte will add Active OC to the B550 boards through a bios update?
We were missing another "stack" of USB ports next to the 2.o´s on the I/O. Werent we?
I just want to say swapping to these boards was the hardest thing ever. I've sent the same drive through x570-b450-b550 and no problems at all. But going to X570S was a huge issue. The board didn't come with any drivers installed. And just getting windows to install was a headache. I didn't want to deal with it at the time, but a few days later it's running just fine. I don't know if that's just a Gigabyte issue, but i've never gotten a mobo that was missing drivers. I'd expect newer drivers to be missing, but it was missing drivers older than release date.
Imho, the most successful board design and distribution of PCI-e lines on the Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite. There is no unnecessary second slot for the video card, in which you can't even put the M2 controller or something else, otherwise the PCI-e16x speed will be cut for the video card. Nonsense. Why unsolder connectors that 99% will not be used.
You mintioned that b550 are better than x570 due to bclk overclocking
I dont understand all of that
But what i really care about is which of them is better in infinity fabric overclocking??
Does the bclk overclocking affect the infinity fabric overclocking ?
Which chip is better in infinity fabric overclocking?
And as a total recomendation from your experience which am4 motherboard that can achive hieghest stable infinity fabric??
Isit evga dark or msi unify x or asus dark hero or what??
Stumbled on a x570s gaming x listing last week and now can't find it in stock anywhere, wonder why they aren't available
Just sent a aorus master x570s in for a 4d error code. Hoping the rma don't take forever.
I like this new board. It just a shame I am not in the market for one. The X570 Aorus Pro Ax
Will you ever do a deep dive on the X570SI (mini-ITX) for SSF fans out there?
Hmmm. Might add a 2nd M.2 SSD to my new PC, but I haven't bought the board yet. Now I'm on the fence of whether I should go X570 or B550.
Would u say gigabyte is offering a bit better or higher end motherboard s then Asus now days ? Thinking of getting a gigabyte soon
On the X570 Aorus Extreme, Ryzen 3000-series (Matisse) supports higher memory speed than 5000-series (Vermeer)? That's weird.
It looks like the X570 Aorus Pro /Pro Wifi could do SLI. Whereas the new X570"S" Pro has Dual 8x/8x, but does not seem to be SLI certified.
Just got to the part in the video where you comment on SLI support on motherboards. Hah
If the "S" in X570S is just for fanless and the new chipset has no other features, does that mean that the USB issues are still intact that AMD was trying to patch out without success?
What USB issues?
actually the 570S is EXACTLY (same silicon, same node) the same chipsaet as the non S Version. The energysavings are soley done by new firmware/bios that increases efficiency = all non 570 boards will benefit too when bioses are rolled out. The S is only for distuingishinh the models with and without fan
Many of us don't have USB issues so some of them might be due to system instability or device bugs, not necessarily AGESA issues.
I hope the issue gets solved for everyone though. 🙂
It thought x570s was a die shrink for the chipset. So not even that? Figured it was 12nm instead of 14nm with an undervolt.
But where's even the 4-slot for my 3090s...
Thanks for video. Now waiting for Best AMD motherboards for 2021)
He said early on it's the same x570 chip with a different heatsink, but it's either a new die-shrink or some other hardware change to increase efficiency.
No, its not. Hard to believe, but the 570s is exactly the same silicon on same node. Just google it, there are official statements from eg asus that adressing this exact question. The energysavings is done SOLEY by new Firmware/Bios that improved the efficiency. So even older non S chipsets/boards will benefit, once all bioses are rolled out.
@@ruhbartlaschh9962 really? Guess I'm happy enough with b550, then.
@@ruhbartlaschh9962 There is a difference in power consumption however: X570S boards are specced to 7W chipset TDP, unlike ones with chipset fans, which are specced to 15W chipset TDP.
The reason i bought x570 was at the time i built my pc b550 didnt exist and i wanted a hassle free zen2 cpu install process
See memory is ignored meaning xmp doesn't work just like on MSI
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Is there any chance at all due to perhaps better chipset silicon, board layout or manufacturing improvements, for more consistent FCLK2000 with Zen3 on these X570S boards? As in, improvement over the 1900 that many are capped at at the moment. I have had 5 Zen3 CPU's now on my X570 (Tomahawk) and all cap at 1900 for 1:1 WHEA free. None at 1866 or 1933, all at 1900. Motherboard must at least play a role. Many agesa's later, still all the same. Could X570S give improvements?
Been eyeing the new Master just because i already have 3 NVMe SSDs, and if i ever needed i could have 4 on the board and 2 extra on a riser. The only downside i see is that all new boards lack SLI, but on today's market, you'd be lucky to have one GPU.
GB have been riding on the IR3553 for so long i thought they still had a couple more warehouses full of them... never thought i'd see the day they'd run out.
Uh, SLI doesn't exist anymore, that's why boards don't support it.
The lack of SLI is hardly the biggest downside on the Master S.
It also lacks Dual-BIOS, BIOS switches and does away with Dual-Ethernet.
There are no pictures of the backside but specs do not show a backplate like the orifginal.
Biggest upgrades are better phases, 2 more USB ports and one extra M.2 port.
But in my opinion this does not make up for downsides.
@@Galf506 It exists if you plan to bench. For daily use, yeah, it's been dead since Pascal.
@@Raivo_K To me, single BIOS isn't a huge issue, especially if it is GB. Dual BIOS with switches > single BIOS > dual BIOS. My last GB mobo with dual BIOS and a switch was my Z77 UP5, and it was awesome.
Dual ethernet is really a niche feature, if you're a user that can take advantage of that you aren't necessarily getting an overclocking board to begin with.
I really hope it comes with a backplate, that was something i haven't paid attention to, and yes, if the board comes without one it'd be a downside.
@@josebonilla101 no no, it's dead-dead, not since Pascal. Nvidia officially dropped support. You can be certain legacy support on benchmarks will be dropped as new benchmarking software emerges.
1 week ago i bought the B550 master from gigabyte.. Think its the best B550 motherboard possible.. Its using 3x m.2 pci 4.0 4x (one is from the cpu the other two goes over the rest of the first pci-e 4.0 x16 slot.. I really dont care if the chipset lanes are 3.0.. Because its already a good upgrade over my asus rog x470 crosshair hero -IV wifi AM4. That board have only pcie gen 2 on the chipset lanes.
Why i didnt going for x570(S) because B550 is released later, so its newer on that point. X570S isnt worth the price premium they asking now in compared to the older X570 boards.
They really love the ask 60 - 150 euros more then the older ones. Which is insane. It doesnt have much to offer over the older gen.
Those Aeor board is lovely. Although it is not as beautiful as B550 Vision board.
Thank you! Do you think my x570 vrm and chipset block will fit these boards? Could you do an x570s master teardown?
Yo wheres the "Engineers guide to Vrm components" series
i only hear my x570 unifiy fan on boot after that it doesn't even run 970 evo plus doesn't get hot enough for the fan to kick in
Nvidia doesn't support nvlink/sli anymore. No more optiizations, from driver updates etc. Only game developers can " optimize " it on theyr games, but without any optimization coming from nvidia, nvlink/sli is pretty dead right now, at least for gaming. About the 12 phases claim, it's just for marketing. People see that " 12 " Phases and go nuts. They also moved the battery on the Master, Pro and Aero. In almost every other mobo, it was down the armored slot of the main gpu. Hope you can get 1 of this boards to test it. Thanks to share your toughts. EDIT : I think Aero have to be a sort of Vision with a different name.
Imho, the most successful board design and distribution of PCI-e lines on the Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite. There is no unnecessary second slot for the video card, in which you can't even put the M2 controller or something else, otherwise the PCI-e16x speed will be cut for the video card. Nonsense. Why unsolder connectors that 99% will not be used.
Picked up a new b450 Mortar Max for 59 euro, thx to the x570 and b550 boards the killer b450's cost nothing these days.
Asus claims their B550 ROG Strix E gaming MoBos are PCIe gen 4 ready with a Ryzen ZEN 3 Processor?!
I really can't understand why they don't make every MB the best that they can be... Instead making e-waste
We do live in a capitalist society.
They target different price points. That means cutting some costs. There are certainly cases where they cutting too much in the name of higher margins though.
If I’m doing a build now, what would you say is better between the X570s Aero and the x570 Unify for a 5950x high-storage build with light OC?
Can you touch more on BCLK OC on B550 in a future video? I was unaware that this was even an option, as I have an x570 Strix E that fails to post at 100.5. Also all precision boost completely stops working when bclk is changed from auto and the cpu goes into a fixed oc mode.
So I usually like the vision motherboards from gigabyte but the Aero G is kinda disappointing. No clear cmos button whatsoever and they didn't put the bios button on the back. I don't care for sli but at the price this is going to go for the old X570 master has it. No post code, no dual ethernet, no dual bios switches, no thunderbolt. Just get the old or new x570 master imo.
Can you recommend the x570 ud board for use with the 5950x CPU without overclocking
the main thing I look 4 is ssd controller, ram controller, pci controller. audio controller, i/o controller, any other controller's!! plus input's 2 the MB chipset. and the lanes going in2 the CPU! I use MSI..msi used several direct inputs 2 the CPU!! & anything going from a controller chip, 2 chipset..then 2 CPU will have a serious ''latency''!! so.. I'm a fan of ''NO'' damn controller chips!!good luck!!
a big note about this ''I hate OC X570!!'' drop U'r P18 CPU voltage 200-400mV. then try OC the X570!!
Hey @Actually Hardcore Overclocking, Do MEMORY QVL's really matter? Like I never look at that stuff when I buy my ram.
Now that x300, x400 and x500 are mature and ddr4 is mature as well, not really. But even just last year, I bought b450 that couldn't do XMP on my ram kit until I got a Bios update in it. It's never important, until it is.
they are a good as a rough indicator of what a board can do relative to other boards from the same manufacturer. I don't actually buy RAM based on them.
suggest motherboard having best SOC VRM for overclocking 4750g
would it have killed them to provide a second nic.
Do you have any clue why the apus are so much better at memory oc, while most Ryzen 5000s just Whea 19 from 1900 flclk?
Hi. I m looking for someone with a bit of knowledge. Can you tell me how many real phases the Asrock X570s riptide has? Do you think it is enough to run a 5950x or will it die prematurely?
Other (might sound stupid) question: I saw that seasonic released some fanless power supplies (the highest potential available in my country is like 700watts for those). Would a regular PSU (with a fan) of 1000 watts work without burning if I simply remove its fan and limit its power draw (like making a PC with 700 watts total power draw to not reach the 1000 watts treshold) The power supply i have is a "silencer mk2 silver 950 watts" from OCZ) I m willing to make a Pc as silent as possible... thx if you can reply.
Only if it comes in white, but you know how that goes 🤦🏽♂️
Did you know there is only 1! ryzen motherboard (MSI x570 meg godlike) which is now EOL that can support 2x 3090 in 4 slot configuration.
SLI is also EOL lol.
@@Raivo_K lol
"They maybe might have made minor tweaks" - 7:39
3:00 Dude doesnt B550 supporting Pcie 4 at all mean that its successfully running and supporting Pcie 4 through the North Bridge? Which is part of the Chipset. Just because it doesnt have the lanes or perhaps its specifically lacking Pcie 4 via the South Bridge thats the difference but like. The B550 "Chipset" still supports Pcie 4. Seems like kind of a no no to say B550 "Chipset" doesnt support Pcie 4 when it does just not as fully.
16:00 Now I understand I didnt realize the one M.2 on a B550 board was routed directly to the Cpu and not the Northbridge.
X570 is the only PCI-E 4.0 chipset for consumer boards at this point in time. B550 and Intel's current boards only do PCI-E 4.0 for the lanes connected directly to the CPU. Besides that, they are PCI-E 3.0.
@@blunden2 Oh Im aware. It slipped my mind that the first of the lanes were connected to the Cpu and not the northbridge. and I feel pretty Space cadet about it. I knew B550 only had what like 20x lanes for it? It supports a Gpu and one M.2? But for some reason the block diagram in my head routed that shit through the northbridge like a friggin game of telephone
Dark Hero is the OG X570S
I wish gigabyte would at least add debug leds to lower end boards
they do have the basic for 4 LED indicators for what's probably wrong.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking really? my eyes must be broken because I can't locate them on the B550 elite
Funny how scheme can mean two things.
ok, though I had seen an ad for one of them boards only to have doubts that it was an old x470 gaming 7 board with "REAL HEATSINKS!"(tm) on the VRM. maybe I wasn't hallucinating about there being no chipset fan on x570, lol. now, can I get a copper version of what Gigabyte put on the master, hmmm. would be nice to have an actual pin-fin heatsink instead of that sticker wanna-be on the Aero, however, I'm sure I can mod something from Aavid/Boyd thermal solutions. no rush, prices have gone dumb stupid and I will NEVER pay 600usd for a 240usd motherboard, so no rush, maybe in a few months if not next year.
that fan for the less than 30-watt chip was a hard pass for me. it's inefficient and bad design. the under-powered x370 board is doing well enough.
Super helpful for those still building Ryzen 5000! @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
Hey there, my aorus master X570S is dead what about the aero g is it a good board? Should i replace to it or to the x570 master?
lol, did they steal Steve's footage @ 11:36 ? :kekw:
Buildzoid, you forgot the master S doesn't have bios switches.
yeah cuz it doesn't have dual BIOS anymore
Having a hard time deciding Gigabyte X570S Aorus Master vs Asrock X570 Taichi Razer Edition. Any recommendations?
I finally decided to drop Intel and come over to AMD but my god this is a disaster finding a board & memory this is why I never wanted to switch to AMD all these years when it comes to building a machine. I'm going to a 5900x and I have no idea what houses board to get. Just days of listening to videos and I'm no closer in finding what I want.
Does he have any videos about preferable ITX boards for the 5590x?
ROG Crosshair Impact (Mini DTX)? And the processor is called 5950X, not 5590X :)
S for "silent"?
Did I hear you correctly. B550 doesn't support pci e 4.0. Go and do your research before you say something absurd like that. B550 does support pci e 4.0 to a curtain extend. Linus tech tips or Jayz two cents is a good place to start to get some tips or even on actual B550 mb specs.
Time stamp ? If so he obviously misspoke.. I seriously doubt either Linus or Jay has much to teach him in this regard. I mean he did the B550 and X570 motherboard run thru for Gamers Nexus so the tell him to do some research and watch Linus or Jay is just laughable at best... so I will assume you just forgot to add a "/s" to your post...
Do these motherboards have the same USB issues that the X570/B550 motherboards had?
No
Does b550 have pcie4.0 graphics card slot?
what do you think evga amd bords
Is there a itx x570s too? 🤔
now there is no point for the Xtreme to exist :(
The Aero G supports 4-way crossfire? How? It only has 3 PCIe slots.
dual core GPUs
APU ? (Integrated gpu)
no post code is a deal breaker / the aero looks great then you find out it has no post code so its just a nice looking paper weight /what a stupid move to not have a post code
Good sheet 😎
Can we expect this from asus also??
yeah I think they are planning passive X570 boards too
THE X470 GAMING X MOTHERBOARD LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN THE X570S GAMING X!