Twin Peaks: The Return | Finale Explained & Parallel Dimensions Theory

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  • The season finale of Twin Peaks season 3 was one of the most interesting conclusions in a television series, I have seen. As it’s unique presentation brought a cliffhanger that keeps the audience guessing. Let’s dive into the "true meaning", to me, of the show’s outcome.
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  • @OldTinMan
    @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    What does the Twin Peaks finale mean to you? I bet you loved the part where weird shit happened, me too.
    If you want more Twin Peaks analysis videos on the finale, please let me know! Thank you everyone!

    • @ramboalienofdoom8739
      @ramboalienofdoom8739 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Would love to see more Twin Peaks analysis videos. Especially one on the upcoming Twin Peaks The Final Dossier book, when it comes out.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +RAMBOALIENOF DOOM
      That sounds like a great idea! I haven't started the secret history yet, but I'm diving in the series of books very soon! I'm thrilled.

    • @Talalay99
      @Talalay99 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The weird shit is all I have ever cared about in Twin Peaks.

    • @Crashed2023
      @Crashed2023 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      =Old Tin Man Keep em coming! Really enjoy your take on thing and I remember a couple months ago and a few 'episodes' in that we were already talking and considering parallel universes and multiple time lines all running at once and into each other... Now I really can't say! Possible fractured multiple personality disorder with Cooper and Laura... and Diane...Oh F it lost gain! lol
      Hows Annie? How they managed to leave her out has to be the key.
      My new thought is that in true 'soap opera style' it was all a dream.
      Lynch is probably thinking how many times in the Return do I have to tell ya!

    • @akikolehmainen88
      @akikolehmainen88 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Old Tin Man, the finale is incomprehensible unless the Cooper in the White Lodge and the Cooper in the Black Lodge were two different Coopers. The first scene of Part 1 belongs to the end of Part 17: a Cooper listening to another Cooper.
      Overall, there were three Coopers in the story which was primarily about moving them around.

  • @satlaren
    @satlaren 4 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    My Brain
    Season 1 : Rare
    Season 2 : Medium
    Season 3 : Well done

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's awesome

  • @Daxkalak
    @Daxkalak 5 ปีที่แล้ว +202

    Laura Palmer has the most terrifying scream in film history, that's all I know.

    • @valentina47734
      @valentina47734 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      hm. what about her mom?

    • @omegamanGXE
      @omegamanGXE ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@valentina47734 her mom had a terrifying scream too in season 1!

    • @adams115
      @adams115 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Are we agreeing the scream seems to run in the family

    • @boo5214
      @boo5214 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Fr

    • @Daxkalak
      @Daxkalak 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The most disturbing scene in the recent and final season of Lynch's Twin Peaks story is near the end when Agent Cooper goes back in time in order to save a young Laura Palmer from dying. He's leading her by the hand through a dark forest at night, but suddenly he is distracted by a weird sound, and when he looks back at Laura to see if she's alright he is only holding onto empty air instead, because she has disappeared. I so wanted him to save her from her tragic life and death. But I was crushed by that tragic scene.

  • @Qwazin
    @Qwazin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +199

    Audrey's story, while not connected to any of the others, feels to me like a direct metaphor for the audience experiencing the rest of the show. It starts as a long mystery to figure something out, goes into a nostalgic dream that transitions into a nightmare, and then you wake up and find yourself presented with a mirror.

    • @Ishkur23
      @Ishkur23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Almost everything in Twin Peaks is an indictment of television and its tropes, as well as a thinly veiled criticism at people who misinterpret David Lynch's works.

    • @TheSoundwaveprime
      @TheSoundwaveprime ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Twin Peaks The Return very much feels like a giant middle finger to nostalgia and/or sequels that coast on nostalgic fan service that comes off as someone who is just living in the past.

    • @neotek303
      @neotek303 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is that really Audrey tho? Is that even The Roadhouse? Can't assume anything. Those big red curtains surely can't be a clue, can it? Being raped by Doppelganger Cooper and giving birth to a demon child probably didn't help her mental state either.

    • @carefulcrosser
      @carefulcrosser หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah, Audrey's story is all about dealing with sexual abuse.

  • @theboyscanswim5619
    @theboyscanswim5619 4 ปีที่แล้ว +197

    I think, in a nutshell, it’s all about the evil presence in Twin Peaks that Phillip Jeffries introduces us to in “Fire Walk With Me”, when he talks about “Judy”. Gordon tells Albert in season 3 about the plan he, Cooper and Briggs had to deal with Judy. When Judy creates Bob during the h-bomb test, the White Lodge creates Laura Palmer to counter Bob. We all know what happened to Laura. So in S3 Cooper and the giant create a parallel reality to hide Laura and hatch a plan for Cooper to travel back in tune and save her. He and Diane go into the alternate universe, and have awkward sec to attract Judy into that reality: and it worked. Judy was in Odessa, because he saw the #6 on the pole and the restaurant called “Judys” that Laura works as a waitress. He takes her back to Twin Peaks to defeat Judy and she does in the end when the facade of Judy at the Palmer house is stirred and destroyed by Laura’s spirit and scream.

    • @user-cs6eu3zy2o
      @user-cs6eu3zy2o 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Божественный проэкт, шедевр ушедшей эпохи глубина резкости чувств и эмоций и любви

    • @neotek303
      @neotek303 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Interesting 👍

    • @boo5214
      @boo5214 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      This is the best one yet

    • @zios121
      @zios121 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      DAMN i gotta say you have an amazing interpretation, that was the one thing that for me was missing big time, a nice interpretation of what judy represented, and who was she represented by. and amazingly it looks to be kinda of by accident that cooper asks himself what year it is, that triggers her

    • @theboyscanswim5619
      @theboyscanswim5619 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@zios121 Yeah, I think it was Sara’s voice calling “Laura!” You can hear it faintly right after Cooper asks what year it is. Laura’s face remembers, and screams and BAM

  • @nagilumsnangilima
    @nagilumsnangilima 6 ปีที่แล้ว +310

    Here are my two cents. A recurring theme of TP is the duality and balance of nature and existence: Light and Darkness, Ying and Yang, White and Black, Lodge. On Earth, this balance was disrupted when the A-bomb went off in the Nevada desert in '45 thus causing an inter-dimensional rift to open and release the ethereal demons of Judy, Bob, Mike and the woodsmen who look like Abe Lincoln, among others, into our realm. As a response to this, the Fireman, sent a good, ethereal spirit to counterbalance the evil forces which were released into our world through a gnossis sphere (a deus ex machina-like device). I believe that Laura Palmer, Carrie Page, and even Maddy Ferguson were created in that benevolent spiritual being's image- like humans were supposed to be created in the image of God. Remember, in Ep. 8 the Fireman sends the Laura looking entity/spirit directly after the events of the A-bomb explosion and the release of the demons in Nevada.
    In effect, Laura, Maddy and Carrie Page were tulpas of the Laura entity. As explained in the series, tulpa's are thoughtform creations, created by two or more entities. Tulpas, however, seem to be yanked from the world, once they come to the complete realization that they are NOT who they seem to be. That's what happened with tulpa Diane; she realized that she was a copy and that she was imminently going to be ripped from reality. Thus, she probably pulled out the gun to shoot herself (not Gordon and Albert). The effect of being ripped or torn from reality is horrifying and painful: like being about to be killed in a dream state and then waking up from that nightmare screaming, thus, the whole reference in the Monica Bellucci dream about the dreamer’s dreaming and the question about who really is the dreamer. This would also jive with what happened to Audrey as the real Audrey probably woke up in a hospital soon after her tulpa sprang the mortal coil. The real Audrey was most likely in a coma from the bomb explosion in the bank 25 years ago. This would also be consistent with the shocked look in Audrey face when she looked at herself in the mirror. She was also wearing a hospital like gown and was in a white room. Bad Coop and some other demons most likely made the tulpa to replace Audrey. I think the main victim, Laura was probably a tulpa too given the fact that she tells James in FWWM that she is not herself and that real Laura was gone long ago.
    Regarding the Black Lodge, time is non-linear and doesn't exist in such a fashion in the Lodges- as it does in our world-hence the one armed man's question, "is this the future or the past?" Given this set up, here's what I think happened: the real coop indirectly caused Laura Palmer's murder as well a time loop in Twin Peaks when he went back in time. Indeed, in FWWM, when Laura and James stop in the middle of the woods and talk and Laura looks over James's shoulder across the woods, she screams.But in the movie itself we don't see what she sees- it's left up to the imagination of the viewer. However, in TP3, we see that Agent Cooper is standing behind some trees and bushes staring at her. In the FWWM version, Laura screams and is frightened by what she doesn't understand -- namely, the FBI agent from her dreams and the person whom Annie referred to, is standing across the woods from her. This fear causes her to react by withdrawing to the company of Leo, Jacques, and Ronette for sex, drugs and alcohol which we know ultimately leads to the clutches of Bob, who has possessed Leland. In the TP3 version, Laura makes the alternate and active decision to face her fear and take Coop's hand, which in turn, erases the events leading to her fate. But remember, it's Laura's death that also leads her soul or essence to be trapped in the Black Lodge as well. Since, she is no longer in the BL and since time has no meaning in the BL (at least not the way that we know it), not only does Laura's corpse disappear in Ep. 17, but she is also yanked or torn from the BL in S 03 ep 02. Here's where the analysis gets a bit tricky:the demons that were released way back in '45 (namely Bob and Judy) congregated to TP, Washington because it was a hotbed of spiritual activity. Moreover, they went to the BL (which is not evil by itself per se) in order to gain power and information. I think this is where they gained the knowledge of the existence of the Laura entity which was sent to counterbalance them. Mind you, time is not linear in the BL realm and there is a time loop in TP . And, so Judy and Bob created a birth-like tulpa in Laura Palmer. First, Judy entered young Sarah Palmer's mouth via a bug in '56 and laid dormant inside her. And then, Bob gradually entered into a young Leland Palmer. Sarah and Leland got married and Sarah had Laura Palmer (who is a tulpa of the benevolent Laura entity). S and L sought to use the tulpa to assimilate and corrupt the good Laura entity.
    Nonetheless, when Laura chose to go with Coop in Ep 17 instead of going to Leo and gang, the time loop in the TP world was broken. Since Laura never got murdered and never put on the ring which sent her soul or spiritual essence to the BL- Judy and the demons not only lost access to the Laura tulpa, but they also lost the information leading to their awareness of the Laura entity. Judy became aware that she was losing the tulpa and thus any possible opportunity to corrupt the Laura entity so that's why she grabbed the picture with image of Laura and started smashing it. But, without an awareness of who the Laura entity is, the tulpa as a device to gain access to the Laura entity became obsolete so that's why Laura Palmer was ripped from the hands of Coop as they were traveling in the woods. Thus, in effect, Cooper did save Laura but Coop saving her, also had the inapposite result of ripping her from their reality. But, Coop, did also create an alternate timeline by going to the past and perhaps a retroactive alternate timeline. So, without any knowledge or access to the Laura entity in the alternate timeline, and since Laura Palmer never went to the BL in the alternate timeline in the first place, Judy and Bob did not seek to cultivate her as an access device. And although Leland and Sarah did have a daughter in the alternate timeline- in the alternate world, they put her up for adoption as a baby and that she wound up in Odessa, TX with the Page family and was given the name of Carrie Page.
    Finally, Coop gained an awareness that his actions created the alternate universe where Laura now may not know of who she was in the first timeline: thus, the whole reference of killing two birds with one stone- saving Laura by taking her with him to make her aware of who she really is. But, I think that Cooper himself did not know that even Carrie Page is a copy and that the only real Laura is the Laura entity itself or herself. Cooper's actions again were doomed to failure because by making Carrie aware of who she was in the other world, Carrie would also come to the sudden realization that she too was a tulpa as some hidden piece of information lay dormant within her--- which was triggered by her visit to her original house in TP. Therefore, the reference to Richard and Linda was thus a warning- Cooper was not meant to go after and save alternate universe Laura (Carrie Page) as Richard and Linda were not meant to be together as so stated in that letter.
    Hope this helps.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Wow, that's some incredible information. I'll gotta make a note to come back to this and look into it more.
      Thank you for posting, I love the idea of the Laura's entity has formed a majority of seperate Tulpas that have entered the realm for a very specific purpose.

    • @natel7723
      @natel7723 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      That is a pretty amazing analysis of the series. Although I'm a bit confused. I'm sure you mentioned, and I just missed it. But where do you think the true Laura essence is (the one sent to earth by the Fireman and the woman) and why did it cause Judy and Bob to create a tupla of Laura. Also, I think the essence of the show is layed out in the title, Twin Peaks. Two sides things, whether good and evil, darkness and light, etc. Although the original title to the series was, I believer, Western Passage, so that could shoot my theory. Lol thanks for sharing. Love you insightful and I quite astute observations. :o)

    • @EbonyPenmarks
      @EbonyPenmarks 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      this is pretty good for your two cents; however, I disagree about Sara Palmer being the Nevada girl. I was thinking she was Bob's biological mother.

    • @nagilumsnangilima
      @nagilumsnangilima 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @Nate L: I believe the true essence of Laura is ethereal and spiritual, just like the demons were, but was sent to counteract them. The demons, Bob and Judy created the tulpas of the Laura entity in order to gain access to and corrupt it. By analogy, many faiths believe that all human beings are a part of God and carry a piece of God within themselves (i.e. the soul). And that when a person dies, that essence or soul goes back to God. The devil or demons, in contrast, seek to prevent this from happening by corrupting people and causing them to sin by using such means as temptation or by simply preying on their fears. Thus, they seek to take human souls for themselves by taking a piece of God. For the purposes of TP, think of Laura Palmer as a God-like being. Thanks for posting and liking my analysis. JSG

    • @nagilumsnangilima
      @nagilumsnangilima 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @Marice: It is true that the Bob demon sprang forth from Judy in Ep. 8. However, these are demons we're talking about ---so it wouldn't exactly be beneath them for the mother-demon to possess a human female (Sarah), and the mother demon's offspring to possess a human male (Leland) and then have Sarah and Leland mate so that they could produce a child.

  • @jayson42056
    @jayson42056 6 ปีที่แล้ว +112

    I just wish I understood everything about Phillip Jeffries. His travels, who and what he saw, and how he wound up in the tin machine

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I almost thought for a minute that David Bowie was going to make an appearance, haha. But I agree, I would really like to see how he was lead there.

    • @chrisbee8009
      @chrisbee8009 6 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Frankly, the two MAIN "wtf" storylines ARE Phillip Jeffries and Major Briggs, two actors that passed away before THe Return. Hence I put it down simply to hasty re-writes. I mean, ZERO explanation as to all the guff around Major Briggs, his fingerprints, rings in stomaches etc which pretty much all comes to nothing by the end.. leaving him as pretty much a disembodied floating head as a character.

    • @nassimnouri
      @nassimnouri 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      J! Hahah brilliant
      I love the correlation. He did become a “Tin Machine” ;D

    • @nassimnouri
      @nassimnouri 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      J also may be a nod the German “Bell” technology

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Archaeon
      How am I so late in seeing this comment! Haha

  • @TheChriskilla100
    @TheChriskilla100 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I gotta talk about how amazing this "show" is. I put show in quotes because it honestly feels much more then that. Not even just a emotional experience. It's also a big puzzle with each scene being a piece. I love it

  • @mooganify
    @mooganify 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Something happened to Cooper after the Bob orb (lol) came out of Evil Cooper, or Mr. C, as you call him. He seemed like a weird mix of the two after that scene happened.

  • @ramboalienofdoom8739
    @ramboalienofdoom8739 6 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I think that Judy "stole" Laura in episode 17 and took her to a different dimension or time, because she wouldn´t let Dale win. Dale follows them into that different time or dimension in episode 18 to find laura and to bring her back to twin peaks. In the End Carrie Page remembers that she is laura palmer and Judy intervenes (this is at least what I got from watching this season the first time.Need to watch it again sometime.)

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Great thought! Judy was a huge part this season and I feel was part of the finale, but without us seeing it. I think Judy has been tailing Cooper ever since he entered the glass box. Although Judy is invisible to the naked eye.
      I completely understand, I feel it's time to watch the season in full.

    • @akikolehmainen88
      @akikolehmainen88 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      RAMBOALIENOF DOOM, just as Laura disappears from Cooper's hand we hear an awkward sound which was played by the Fireman from his gramophone. This sound is said to be from a special vinyl player when a record reaches an end and is flipped. I could not confirm that as such players are so rare today but it sounds very fitting. There was nothing left in Laura's story from here on, and the Fireman pulled her out, retiring her to Texas as Carrie Page.

  • @demonicsweaters
    @demonicsweaters 6 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Okay, here's my take. The very first episode where cooper is sitting with the Fireman was while Mr. C and Briggs were at the fire station. The Fireman tells Cooper, "it's in our house now", referring to Mr. C in the cage. Then tells him to remember Richard and Linda, 430 etc... knowing the soon coming events. Albert, Diane, Cooper, Jefferies, and Cole intentionally released Mr. C into the world to lead them to Judy. This was their "plan". Cole remembers "the unofficial version" which is why he thinks Albert doesn't know. However Albert is fully aware as to what is going on the entire time. The proof of this is during the interrogation scene of Mr. C in Jail. Mr. C looks at Albert and says "I left messages to let Jefferies know it's safe" Albert gives a look of understanding. Afterwards Gordon asks Albert if he knows what's going on, Albert doesn't say no, he says "Blue Rose". So in short, Bad Coop (Mr. C) was actually working for the FBI with Jefferies and part of Blue Rose, he shares memories with the real Cooper and he's happy that Bob was still inside of him because he knows this is his bait to get to Judy. Remember bad Coop is not a Tulpa, he's Cooper's Evil half, but still Cooper. They needed it to be Evil Cooper to hold Bob because Good Cooper would not be able to control him. He doesn't recognize the name Judy, but he knows her because he knows he's searching for the ultimate evil. The forces trying to kill Mr. C are actually the Black Lodge (mike and the arm) Mike was the one Mr. C talked to one the phone at the hotel when he says "then I get to be with bob again". They want to stop Mr. C because they do not want him to lead the FBI to Judy (remember the Black Lodge is evil). Mr C was also the one who setup the Glass Box in NYC. This is hinted at because when Tammy Preston shows the photos she found of him there seemingly in charge, as well as the photo of Mr. C in Brazil in front of his mansion (implying he was rich most likely from drug dealing). When the Glass Box watcher says what he knows about it, he says it's owned by some billionaire, but nobody knows who. This was also an attempt to gather information on Judy by Mr. C. and Blue Rose. Meanwhile good coop gets tricked by the Black Lodge to actually help them by setting him against Mr. C and stops Blue Rose from catching Judy.

    • @jakeberry8186
      @jakeberry8186 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great points! Sorry I'm not in the mood for writing tonight, but I will...

    • @artur19846
      @artur19846 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My mind has blown tonight! So many fancy theories!! But I love your one! It makes sense because FBI could have intercepted Evil Cooper long ago but they didn't do anything with him intentionally. However, how can BL and Mike be evil if they manufacture the second Dougie by order of real Cooper?

  • @autodidacticprofessor869
    @autodidacticprofessor869 6 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    If you read the Final Dossier, Tammy in her attempt to research Twin Peaks history, discovered that the newspaper articles around Laura's death, never mention her death and instead she disappeared. Many other things changed in the original reality we knew. I truly think that the reality we knew from 1989 until Cooper goes back and saves Laura was the "unofficial version" that Jeffries spoke of in reference to "Director Cole will remember the unofficial version". Indeed, Tammy begins to feel the old reality slipping away (as evidence in the strange slow-down effect as she was walking through the hotel).
    There was a line from FWWM that makes sense. "Intercourse between two worlds".
    In the original reality (119), the events of Laura's death, led to Cooper entering the Black Lodge to find Annie. This led to the creation of his Doppelganger and subsequent entrapment and his double "replacing him" in the physical world. All the events that let up to Season 3, were about the Doppelganger. Almost everything we experience in the series, up until Lucy kills the Doppelganger is due to his actions and behavior. He created Dougie, created a complex worldwide criminal cartel, amassed a fortune and built the glass box, in my opinion, as a trap to pin Cooper inside while Judy enters. It seemed as if the Sam and Tracy situation was set up, no security guard and all, in order to lure Judy into our reality via the box, knowing the even will almost exactly coincide with Cooper entering the box, killing him and leaving nobody to stop him. Clearly the Fireman or other forces, intervened.
    Once the Laura story was changed to her going missing, her disappearance in the woods, following the "click" very well could be another "White Lodge" intervention, putting Laura safely in another dimension, under a different identity and only vague, foggy memories of her past. It could even be argued Carrie Page was a Tulpa of Laura, hence the very foggy recollection of her pre-disappearance self. I agree that the Odessa reality could have been a creation with the intention of trapping and destroying Judy. The Fireman stated, "It is in our house, now" and Cooper simply asked, "It is?".... didn't ask what. He knew what "it" was. It likely meant when Judy entered our world through the glass box, all hell was about the break loose. The original reality (119) apparently was doomed for a horrible event that the log lady, Hawk and Andy all had visions or knowledge of. We see Andy in a shaking, fearful pose when he had his vision in the Fireman's house. The only vision that did not come true was that one. That would have been the "end times" where Bad Cooper successfully made it to the Palmer house and delivered Bob to Judy (Ba'al and Jowday), triggering the events that were prophesied. Instead, Cooper saves Laura, the past is changed and for whatever reason the occupant of the Palmer house, being Tremonds, previous Chalfonts, proves that the house was still haunted by Lodge Spirits. Possible a last ditch effort to protect Judy from being destroyed. Once Carrie's memory returned, her "weapon" was unleashed and we might presume their mission was successful, if not also tragic. In the original timeline, Laura dies and is envoloped by Judy, which may be why we see Laura's grin and black finger in the demonic face that possessed Sarah. In that realty, there was no Laura to fight Judy. By saving Laura and putting her in a reality where she doesn't remember her past, she is basically waiting for Cooper to find her. That said, the reality we see with Carrie Page, is clearly teaming with Judy evil. The weird power pole with the same numbers on it we see many times in many "haunted" locations is there. We see the very dead guy on the couch and the white horse on the mantle. "Judy's Diner" and all of that. It could be a masked "Black Lodge" indeed but all it took was Carrie remembering, in order to set off the "bomb" that ultimately kills Judy.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      There is a large amount of discussion on the timeline and how the realities weave together. The novels can resolve so much of that technical side of the series and you're right, I think "The Final Dossier" could signify the change from season 3's finale.
      I love how everything ties together, the 3 season and FWWM. I love that line from the movie, "Intercourse between 2 worlds". It's interpretation is wildly cryptic.
      Your timeline is so well thought that I believe it, especially the idea of placing Laura within another dimension for her own safety. You killed it, thank you for your thorough post I enjoyed it!

    • @neotek303
      @neotek303 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Some good thoughts. But you need to choose between Carrie being Laura or a tulpa.

  • @ArcaneStrain
    @ArcaneStrain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I'm a few years late to the discussion but, my take on the finale is:
    Cooper has been working on a plan while he's been stuck in the Black Lodge.
    He's got The Fireman, The Arm/MIKE and Jeffries on his side, but against him are BOB, Mr C and, most importantly, Judy.
    I think Mr C (or BOB himself, as Mr C is essentially a vessel for him) is making moves against Judy, he wants her power.
    Judy has been waging war against the White Lodge, and knows that Cooper is trying to save Laura.
    Laura was created by the Fireman specifically to counteract BOB and Judy, so now Judy wants Laura and Cooper dead.
    Because Lodge beings seem to be paracausal (unaffected by cause and effect) they can manipulate time/reality to some degree, so Judy sets a trap for Cooper, Laura and Dianne...
    The other reality.
    SUMMARY:
    In my opinion, the place Cooper finds Carrie Page is a trap, a fake "other timeline" where Laura lives, but as shown by the wrong people living in her house (who happen to have the names of known Lodge entities) and the new personas our characters are losing themselves to, it isn't real. It's a fiction created by Judy to get Laura out of the way so she can enact her plan of destroying or taking over the White Lodge.

    • @neotek303
      @neotek303 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Known lodge entities, how so? What am I missing?

    • @ArcaneStrain
      @ArcaneStrain 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@neotek303 The woman in Laura's house name drops Tremond and Chalfont, which are two names that the mysterious old lady in Fire Walk With Me (who gives Laura the picture of the door) goes by. She and her "grandson" Pierre are Black Lodge entities.

  • @okay__tay2775
    @okay__tay2775 6 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Honestly my mind is still like wtf after watching the finale. I agree with you about there being a lot of dimensions. I hate the theory that this was all Cooper's dream. That feels like a cop out and something Lynch would never do. He likes to make people think. Even if they just think what the f?! Lol.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I couldn't agree more! Thanks for posting! 👍

    • @johanvajse8410
      @johanvajse8410 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was all a death/dying dream of Laura Palmer.
      It is something Lynch would do and has done with 2 different movies:
      Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive

  • @glitchy000
    @glitchy000 6 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    I feel most of the story's plotlines and imagery is intended to by symbolic or descriptive of a meta-narrative. I don't think a "Doctor Who"/"Kingdom Hearts"-like timeline/amnesia breakdown is what works here.
    To overly simplify, I think The Return is commentary on revival series and nostalgia pandering most explicitly demonstrated by Part 17's clean conclusion of the rubber glove "boss fight" with BOB and all the characters are reunited. The Return is painful rather than comforting. It's showing how life changes irrevocably, it's mourning the loss of the past.
    Preventing Laura's death prevents all those good memories we made with the show. Literally everything we love about Twin Peaks is null if Laura does not die.

    • @artur19846
      @artur19846 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      You have just written what I was afraid and unwilling to utter. The whole idea of TP is about Laura's death.

    • @madprof666
      @madprof666 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nicholas Swenson yup!

    • @glitchy000
      @glitchy000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrew1983 I actually really liked Twin Perfect's breakdown and explained the whole series, not just The Return, in a lot of ways I hadn't thought of.
      Really good watch, that.

    • @mooganify
      @mooganify 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And this is why I'm only watching the first 2 seasons and the movie again from now on.

    • @TarquiniusSuperbus
      @TarquiniusSuperbus ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is 100% what I think also. I believe the whole point of the final episode is that Cooper is trying to have his cake and eat it too. He "saved" Laura at the expense of ruining the world he (or we) had come to love and he is filled with regret as a result. His objective in taking Carrie Page to the Palmer house is so she can basically become a surrogate Laura (presumably by being killed) and he can put things back the way they "should" be without Laura actually dying. She's essentially supposed to be Laura's Dougie Jones; I don't know if she's a literal tulpa, but he's hoping she can fill that role. That's why he's confused about the year; he's hoping it's 1989 again and he can just sort of drop her off so Judy can do whatever she's going to do.
      The problem, of course, is things don't work that way and that's what Cooper has never understood. Television audiences are similar; they want the emotional resonance that comes from something like a smalltown murder story but they also want the initial crime to be somehow undone.

  • @the1tigglet
    @the1tigglet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think did the best he could under the circumstances, he was forced to reveal her killer so he couldn't do much with the story.
    I love what he did with it honestly, it was weird, and strange a true david lynch experience imo.

  • @43nostromo
    @43nostromo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If I had to explain my feelings about Twin Peaks, and any of Lynch's work for that matter, it is the following: I love his work, but I don't know why. God help me, I'm just not that bright.

  • @TheChriskilla100
    @TheChriskilla100 6 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Doesn't explain Dale Cooper's new mannerisms, He's almost a combo of both Mr.C and The Dale Cooper.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      +TheChriskilla100
      I really wanted to talk more on that, but I already planned so much for this video, it'll have to be in a future video. If it's requested of course.

    • @akikolehmainen88
      @akikolehmainen88 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      TheChriskilla100, there were two Coopers (and the doppelganger), both from different timelines. 25 years apart had made them quite different. The cold Cooper of Part 18 was the one in the White Lodge.

    • @danielrafferty4108
      @danielrafferty4108 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +TheChriskilla
      Was wondering about this one myself. I believe myself that Mr. C was always a part of cooper but because of upbeat and optimistic nature this darker side never really manifested itself through his behavior. Going to the black lodge at the end of season two with impure courage (or however they phrased it.). I think this sacrifice out of fear made him vulnerable to his shadow self or the dweller on the threshold but instead of them both annihilating themselves or being annihilated by Bob as Windham Earle was, Bob offered Mr.C the chance to reap from life exactly as this darker side has always intended, in return he must carry Bob in him like a mule and feed him garminbozia. the whole Judy thing is still a hazy beyond the good versus or the rectification of balance between these two (although this video has went a ways to validate some of my more ponderous moments following the finale.
      I believe that by banishing his darker side from the physical realm(or closest to in lynches mind, or maybe just the twin peaks world, i'm still a little fuzzy on that.), he reintegrates with that darker side and twenty five years of another life has found its way into one mind. This I believe would cause one to reevaluate oneself and their capabilities. I think that when Dale cooper starts to get his sense of self being scrambled crossing dimensions he adopted parts of Mr.C's persona and style of getting things done as a defense mechanism and his darker side openly welcomes the chance to finally act out.
      In summation I believe that the behavior of the Cooper/Richard is an between between two halves of the one self acting in accord in order to push forward. Maybe Mr.C still seeks Jao-dai(answers,) while the good coop seeks a vindication for everything he's done to save Laura's life. to me the last episode seems to encapsulate the motivations of both characters throughout the series as well as the overall premise of the show, good versus evil, in this case through the opposing forces of Laura and sarah(jao-dai). to me this is an example in a story when an unstoppable force meets an immovable objects. writers block, fade to black there's no more story to tell.
      Sorry for the TH-cam dissertation on what is effectively my two cents.

    • @elliotmysak485
      @elliotmysak485 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Maybe he integrated his shadow self

  • @vivverz3810
    @vivverz3810 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    After 15 years from when the series ended, I finally understood the entire 1st and 2nd Season, then I was stoked for Season 3, ugh, and now I'm all confused again. UGH :-( But I really enjoyed your video. Thanks :-)

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hah, this is everyone!
      Thank you for your thoughts! :)

  • @MMLS1311
    @MMLS1311 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    More Twin Peaks videos! I enjoy hearing your analyses on this incredible season.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is quite the season. I'm afraid I miss it already.

  • @yans.3908
    @yans.3908 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video and I love your analysis! First one I watch, I was gonna write you to do more, but I see that you already did make others on the subject so i'm gonna go watch them.. Thank you for sharing!

  • @aussie_philosopher8079
    @aussie_philosopher8079 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The scene in the apartment with that thing in the cage, freaked me a little and the scene in the desert where that monster cones into the radio place. The way things sometimes don't add up or makes sense even dialogue is muddled up gives it a very mysterious and captivating theme.

  • @eugenereinheimer1806
    @eugenereinheimer1806 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for sharing your feelings regarding Twin Peaks. I'm a long time fan and followed you and others as season 3 unfolded. David Lynch the artist has been in my life since Blue Velvet and TP has me watching over and over again. As I've often said, it's the feel of TP that draws me. I hope there's more to come.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for watching! I right there with you. I’m glad people like yourself are able to appreciate Lynch’s work. Even if TP doesn’t continue, I’ll continue to analyze more on the series 👍
      Thanks for posting!

  • @travismartin4863
    @travismartin4863 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Twin peaks the return almost needs to be watched as a movie, in one sitting. I watched it in 2017 when it was released & enjoyed it very much but couldn't make much sense of it. Just recently i watched the whole thing in one day & it really does feel like one singular piece. honestly i think its davids best work & i would be ecstatic if showtime gave him one more season. The ending made it clear the new twin peaks universe has so much more to discover!

  • @elisedunstan2080
    @elisedunstan2080 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maya Deren sure was influenctial to current filmmakers. She was an amazing experimental filmmaker. I love your analysis. Thank you for this video!

  • @jackdraper8558
    @jackdraper8558 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Please do more Twink Peaks analysis, love your thoughts!

  • @nancykillsyou
    @nancykillsyou 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Once you read “Twin Peaks: The Final Dossier” it will really shed light on everything.

  • @Betmas2
    @Betmas2 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow this was very insightful. I would love any more content about it. It has definitely opened my frame of throughly on this

  • @David-hy6pt
    @David-hy6pt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The sound is a record. if you watch 2nd season, right before leland kills maddie, the record is finished playing and you hear the skipping sound.

  • @AwesometownUSA
    @AwesometownUSA 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “There is nothing to explain, nothing to interpret. It is the pure abstract machine of the twilight space.” -deleuze&guattari, 1980

    • @dontcaremate
      @dontcaremate ปีที่แล้ว

      a deleuze/guattari reference, perfect

  • @Blackstar-cf7gm
    @Blackstar-cf7gm 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    There is no end, it just keeps on going.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This comment is sponsored by the Energizer Bunny™.

  • @jonlenzmeier5332
    @jonlenzmeier5332 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! You present your ideas very clearly. I'm gonna need to watch this video several times to wrap my head around it though! Would love to see a second half review of season 3!

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! I appreciate your input. I'll start making a second half review for the season and see if I can release it soon.
      I completely understand your logic, as it took me this long to finally piece together what I came up with. There is a lot of info!

  • @Proemed44G
    @Proemed44G 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was good to watch and I liked hearing your perspective...

  • @Farscape2012
    @Farscape2012 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting stuff, but as David Lynch has said, "TWIN PEAKS is a continuing story." He would never end it. Lynch showing us Laura whispering into Dale's ear at the end is Lynch's declaration that the story isn't over.

  • @89saur
    @89saur 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Its BRILIANT ending..

  • @JAMAICADOCK
    @JAMAICADOCK 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    When ever a character looks at a version of themselves doing something, this is a sure sign the character is dead and looking back on their life.
    Twin Peaks definitely moved into Inland Empire territory in the Return. Cooper may even be seeing previous lives, that is inside the Motel Room when having sex with Diane. This actually could be Richard and Linda - former incarnations of Cooper and Diane. In fact Naido, Linda, Diane - could be separate expressions of the same incarnated soul, hence the similarities in the name.
    So in that sense, Mr C and Dougie are half remembered former lives of Cooper's. Cooper is projecting them as doppelgangers because he's running away from the truth of former lives. He doesn't want to admit they're part of him.
    Naido might be linked with Hiroshima, in that Cooper in a previous existence had something to do with the Manhattan Project. Once again he is blocking out his guilt and projecting it onto a fanciful narrative, wherein Cooper is saving Naido from his evil Doppelganger.
    Something we all do in our dream-state, but reality has a way of breaking into the narrative of the dream.

  • @gregfulton2539
    @gregfulton2539 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great take. The Fireman swiped left...and offering up an actual ending to believe in is welcome, but slippery in there.

  • @Elayzee
    @Elayzee 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In behind-the-scenes footage of The Return you can hear a voice calling the name "Carrie Page" when referring to Sheryl Lee's character in the Black Lodge (red room), not "Laura Palmer." I wonder what that means.

  • @themerote
    @themerote 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think it can make sense what you are saying, When Cooper says He understands to the Fireman he vanishes the exact same way as Laura Palmers body did on the beach in the finale, I think possibly both him and Laura are in some time loop or dream loop and the fireman says remember Richard and Linda to to prepare Cooper for what he needs to go through, like '' this is your mission if you choose to execpt it which Cooper does but its very ambiguous so we keep talking about it, hell I am 5 months later. I love it, its a classic.

  • @secondcomingofbast9908
    @secondcomingofbast9908 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There's no alternate dimensions, just one timeline being pulled back and forth, like a game of tug-of-war, between two results of two different fates of Laura Palmer
    When Cooper changes Laura's fate, the second timeline was destined to take precedence over the first, but not until it reached the point in time where Cooper initially decided to act to change Laura's fate, and then initiated the steps to take those actions. Which was immediately after the death of Mr. C in E17.
    Between then, and Laura's initial death, nothing changed from the first timeline, though certain events within the second timeline would briefly, but just temporarily, manifest from time to time.
    The changes in the diner at the end of E7 is a good example of this.

    • @neotek303
      @neotek303 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Probably why Coop asks what year is this? Tbh I still don't understand S3. I love a good mystery box show, especially an esoteric one; but I also like to understand what I'm watching too.

    • @secondcomingofbast9908
      @secondcomingofbast9908 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@neotek303 The two timelines had merged by the finale. Which was why things were so fucked up.

  • @sandybee01
    @sandybee01 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I know Lynch wants people to interpret as they see fit, but there’s just far far too much speculative theorising going on. He hasn’t made a puzzle for people to solve, and all these attempts to tease out a logical narrative structure are futile. I get the instinct up to a point, but the narrative is not there to be resolved. Of course there are broad messages, about the internal struggle between good and evil spirits, some questioning about the nature of what we perceive as reality, some notion that how in life the reality that we create for ourselves intersects with others (in TP language, at least at the conclusion we probably see Cooper and Laura’s dreams interact), and a concluding sentiment that, irrespective of whether we live inside our own heads (dreams), we cannot alter the past.
    So I don’t really get the idea that there are a million unanswered questions - perhaps the main one being, where did Audrey experience that moment of revelation. Otherwise the themes are relatively clear, and trying to tie together various narrative strands is rather pointless, and literally impossible

    • @Farscape2012
      @Farscape2012 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He pay not have intentionally made a puzzle for viewers to actively solve, but in the book Beautiful Dark Lynch admits some of his intentions (and meanings) behind Mullholland Dr., Blue Velvet, etc (which he has since regretted). Therefore, IMO, teasing logical narrative structure out of TWIN PEAKS can uncover Lynch's intentions, and perhaps his ideas of where the show might go next.

  • @onceuponasuperhero666
    @onceuponasuperhero666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good effort , with interesting thoughts Tin man

  • @Reinshark
    @Reinshark 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So what then is the significance of the very final scene, a reprise of Laura’s whisper to Dale? It seems remiss to omit a discussion of the very final image of the show - the last mystery - in an attempt to explain the finale.

  • @1chiefg
    @1chiefg หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just finished watching all three seasons. I have no idea what was going on.

  • @countryboy39051
    @countryboy39051 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok, now do one explaining the explanation!

  • @tankndg26
    @tankndg26 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for this insight, please make more videos of the other characters.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for the kind words. I'll see what I can do 👍

  • @theboyscanswim5619
    @theboyscanswim5619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like the video and the theory. I like it, it makes sense, and I think that’s part of the point. I personally see it as all about Judy. The same evil presence that Gordon talks about to his fellow agents. Judy is the evil spawned from the nuclear explosion. It goes much deeper than Mr. C. Anyway, at the end, he thinks he blew it, but Laura hears her mom’s voice and Judy was destroyed or at least discovered to still be existing in the other reality they are in. I love the show very much.

  • @derringerbow6414
    @derringerbow6414 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wanted to check online to see what other people have to say because I had no idea what to think about the conclusion of this series, or many other parts of it. There are some good explanations out there, plus I have my own explanations I’ve drawn. But since you ask if it was a good ending or a bad ending, I can tell you that despite not understanding much about it, I am 100% certain it was a GOOD ending.

  • @alenyshka181
    @alenyshka181 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Two birds with one stone - get Laura back and kill Judy.
    Judy is in there quite obviously, finally the right question of Dale awakens Laura and we know that she is the one. Her energy kills Judy with that scream. Electricity turns down at that dimension, it won't exist anymore. Happy ending for me.

  • @mrjoejon6882
    @mrjoejon6882 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    XenoBlade 3 Is a video game that I think the themes of would speak strongly to Twin Peaks fans

  • @mattgilbert7347
    @mattgilbert7347 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great work.

  • @marshellwillis5240
    @marshellwillis5240 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    never would've guessed that ending, couldn't have ended any other way...goat.

  • @jorgemariozuleta
    @jorgemariozuleta 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Regards from Costa Rica. Thanks for you lovely video

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Best wishes to you in Costa Rica! Thank you for watching 👍

  • @kevinfisher5492
    @kevinfisher5492 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Interesting analysis. The only thing I disagree with is the idea that Mr. C was creating pocket universes. The whole point of the Giant plunking him down in Twin Peaks was to keep him away from the Palmer House (the first slide). Remember, Mr. C wants to know where Judy is. It can be argued that "Judy" is whatever is inside Sarah Palmer.
    But I do agree about the weirdness about the timelines. One thing you didn't mention was the very obvious "glitch in the matrix" in the Double-R Diner when the kid runs in and asks if anyone saw "Bing." Shelley is the only one who notices that everyone in the diner has changed places.
    One final note: The last scene with the Jeffries Tube where he creates the infinity symbol...took me a while to realize it but it is NOT just an infinity symbol, it is a MOBIUS strip. You can see depictions of the mobius strip with the ball/sphere riding the "track" of the strip online...that's exactly what Jeffries shows. Not only is Coop in an infinite loop, but a two-sided one where he flip-flops between sides.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great point! Mr. C has done a lot that we haven’t seen or heard, especially in the prior 25 years. I think in some way he might have a border around him that protects him from the Fireman, which allows him to travel to between destinations, whether it be different dimensions or locations. I agree with you, I don’t think he has the ability to control other parallels, but might be associated in some sort of deal. Judy must have also taken complete control of Sarah.
      Excellent grab. That scene with that kid looking for “Bing” has stuck in my mind since I saw it. It was the end credit scene, which I found bizarre. I wonder if some of the other end credit scenes in other episodes is somehow connected, since that scene with Big Ed sitting in silence was strangely distorted.
      Thanks for posting! Great insight

  • @Boschini666
    @Boschini666 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for sharing your point of view. I finished the third season last night and I got completely lost and confused and even without a clue until now. I am not clear yet, but not as confused as last night... Thanks again.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for joining in the conversation! It also took me a while to piece together some of the concluding storylines, especially after the finale. I am still trying to figure it out even today.
      I'm glad to be of service.

  • @DrKennyWang
    @DrKennyWang 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Moral of the story, we fuck up quantum mechanics with the nuclear tests in the 1940s.

  • @nickmendezTUBE
    @nickmendezTUBE หลายเดือนก่อน

    Adored the ending

  • @bernardoevo
    @bernardoevo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love your videos

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! I'm glad that you can enjoy them 👍

  • @KRAFTWERK2K6
    @KRAFTWERK2K6 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    one thing is for sure. Jerry Horne would have gotten lost in the woods in ANY timeline and universe, after a certain hash brownie abuse :P

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +KRAFTWERK2K6
      Hahah! That is Jerry’s main goal

  • @jayson42056
    @jayson42056 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I leave this world with the same feeling I had after watching the Blair Witch Project and that is that it’s intentionally vague and meant for the viewer to discern their own meanings. If Jiao Dai really means to explain, that is an evil in Lynch’s eyes and as long as the series is left open ended, it can never be placed into any type of small sub plot

  • @sclogse1
    @sclogse1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The guy in the back seat with the sliced head was more than enough.

  • @Dakobra_
    @Dakobra_ 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interesting video dude. One thing I have to disagree with though is that I doubt Twin Peaks: The Return is what Lynch & Frost originally had in mind 25 years ago on how to end the series. Had the original television series never been cancelled, or had Lynch pursued telling the rest of the story through films (as he intended to do before Fire Walk with Me flopped), I think what we would've gotten would had been very different.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks!
      I can see where you’re coming. I can only imagine what Lynch and Frost foresaw in the Twin Peaks timeline. I do believe it would have been something else entirely, but I feel there are primary elements in the new season that they have stuck by since 1992.
      Thanks for the post!

  • @MBJ861
    @MBJ861 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Season 1 captivated a lot of people back in 1990 and it could relate to many other series with tragedies, it should have ended when Laura Palmers father admitted he had abused and killed her. Season 2 as far as train of thought get's weird and though I enjoyed few episodes from season 3, many things could have been let out...especially long scenes like sweeping the floor or the FBI agents look at each other for no reason for many minutes, it's not relevant to the story. I did not think it had closure, only further strange questions that needed answers and ending on a cliffhanger. So many of the others characters storyline we did not see got fulfilled. I loved season one, partly two but the third was a soup of mess..just my opinion.

    • @neotek303
      @neotek303 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I enjoyed all 3 seasons... except for the stupid time wasting as you mention, which could have gone towards better story completion and explanation. I shouldn't have to read books to fill in the blanks.

  • @christopherwatts4989
    @christopherwatts4989 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A shame that a murder mystery in a small town turned into such bollocks.

  • @davidagiel8130
    @davidagiel8130 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    To me at the end of season 2 I assumed Cooper and Twin Peaks were real, I also knew the black lodge was a place in the subconscious where the shadow self lives, or is trapped. Because Hawk said it directly. Bob just represented the shadow self and it’s destructive nature. Leland Palmer rapped and killed his daughter because his shadow self took over, that’s why in the movie Leland said to Laura “I always thought you knew it was me”, then Bob stepped in and said, “but, I didn’t know you knew it was me.” But, after season 3 now we know that twin peaks, all the characters and Cooper are just figments in Laura’s subconscious mind, she created them to cope with the trauma. There are no separate dimensions and double characters, just like in Mulholland Drive, or Lost Highway, these copies and other dimensions are the fantasy and dream works in your subconscious. Mulholland drive, the first half of the movie is a female masturbation fantasy that ended when she climaxed. There wasn’t any two worlds, just the reality and the imaginary, or the perception of reality.

    • @neotek303
      @neotek303 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I like the thoughts and I'm sure they apply somewhere but they don't fit in TP due to the H-bomb part, being well before Laura's birth. In S3E17 you see a large Cooper face overlay at the sheriff's station. If anything we're watching Coopers dream. Ergo the Monica Bellucci line "but who's dream is it?"

    • @davidagiel8130
      @davidagiel8130 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@neotek303 yeah I keep going back and forth between it being all in Cooper's head or Laura's. The H bomb I think is just there to be an explanation on one level, but it's the subtext that's more important

  • @at752
    @at752 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i have no clue what went on. this show got batshit crazy.

  • @bobwallacejnr6852
    @bobwallacejnr6852 ปีที่แล้ว

    for me its better not knowing. adds to the madness

  • @dashawnmitchell832
    @dashawnmitchell832 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant exposé.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for your kind words.

  • @OccultFanOFFICIAL
    @OccultFanOFFICIAL 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Quite brilliant, and metaphysically accurate.
    You ought, I suggest, go on Occulture or RuneSoup or The HigherSide Chats.
    What a notion. This lines up with my innerstanding fairly nicely - perhaps we'll chat sometime re Twin Peaks, Dimensions, Entities, etc ~

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you greatly!
      I'll take a look at your suggestions. I'm looking forward to further conversations friend.

  • @nikhil1651998
    @nikhil1651998 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought S3 was pretty bad but after watching the explanation I take back my words completely. However, I will argue that an 8-10 episode series or a long movie could have been much better.

  • @mitch89014
    @mitch89014 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    David Lynch leaves it up to each viewer to interpretative their own theories, so there is no one definite right or wrong theory
    It is not that there is not too little puzzle pieces in this season 3, but maybe too many left over

  • @nancykillsyou
    @nancykillsyou 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can hear that noise when the “Laura Orb” floats to earth...

  • @SerbAtheist
    @SerbAtheist 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am very much inclined towards the 'Twin Peaks Explained' 5hr essay where The Return is best analyzed as a metaphor for the original show and how the audience's insistence on the mystery being solved killed it. If anything, the ending where the deus ex machina brit 'defeats evil' by 'punching it out' is almost a parody and mockery of what the ordinary audiences have come to expect from their entertainment.
    The final scenes represent the real world where the good and evil are not separate from each other but reside in each person. The real world is of course bereft of metaphors and mystery. Coffee is just coffee, a horse on a shelf is just a horse on a shelf, the car following 'Cooper' and 'Laura' is just a random car that eventually diverges onto a different path and the house 'Laura' lived in on the show in is just a house, complete with its true owners responding to the door bell. The mystery is dead. The show is dead. 'Laura's' scream is the final nail in the coffin for the show that will never again be resurrected.

  • @MaRaMa-ARTZ
    @MaRaMa-ARTZ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's 2024 and I'm here to get help understanding the lore of Alan Wake 2.

  • @StephenDeagle
    @StephenDeagle 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Occam's razor. That is all.

  • @AlwayzJeremy
    @AlwayzJeremy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The finale of season 3 the ending is Lauras dream from fire walk with me

  • @michaellewis8431
    @michaellewis8431 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It was Dale cooper just having a crazy dream. We all have weird dreams and obviously Richard liked being an FBI agent. I liked epoidise 17, however I thought the finale was a disappointment.

  • @RobertSlover
    @RobertSlover 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great analysis great editing a lot of good work here well done man.

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! 👍

  • @olgadebartolome1332
    @olgadebartolome1332 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dougie!!

  • @BaxterVon
    @BaxterVon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    YES. More Twin Peaks!!! Shaka Mahalo

  • @JacobDean88
    @JacobDean88 ปีที่แล้ว

    What people don't understand... in the Lynch universe, a story line (sub plots) don't have to do with the plot. The plot isn't necessarily the story for Lynch, which is perfect.

  • @baker3BAKER
    @baker3BAKER 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Smart. Thanks

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, Anytime.

  • @MikefromTexas1
    @MikefromTexas1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just call him DoppleCoop.

  • @kimberleywien4231
    @kimberleywien4231 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    the KEY is, In 1989 Laura and Agent Cooper saw each other in a dream, and the "Cooper" she and Cooper himself saw in the dream was Cooper 25 years older, Laura wrote the dream in the diary before her death, addressing Agent Cooper as "an older man" and there's one page missing from her diary. The younger Cooper addresses his dream with Diane in the recorder, so Diane was his diary. In 2017 season, Diane was hidden and replaced with a tulpa.
    25 years later:
    Episode17: Older Cooper found teen Laura (with the help from Philip Jeffries and MIKE) in Twin Peaks to bring her home and she disappears screaming in thin air and then Cooper suddenly in the waiting room meeting older Laura.
    Episode18 (Final): Older Cooper found older Laura (Carrie Page) in Texas (with the help from the Fireman) to bring her home and she screams and then everything stops.
    Laura' s missing page should written : "2 :53 ...Time and time and time again" WE LIVE INSIDE A DREAM -TWIN PEAKS THE RETURN.
    What Laura whispered to Cooper in 2017 season final was her MISSING PAGE, in where they would eventually meet each other outside the red room/waiting room, in some "alternate worlds". In disbelief Cooper then utters "WE LIVE INSIDE A DREAM".
    So who is JUDY (the extreme negative force)? Laura IS Judy. This is why 2017 Bad Coop was after her, because BOB who is still with him wanted Laura's body & soul, according to Laura's secret diary. Question is, does Philip Jeffries ever existed? Bear in mind that he was the first person who talked about "Ms Judy".

  • @mozzax331
    @mozzax331 ปีที่แล้ว

    Laura's dissappearance in 3x17 is just her getting "sucked up" by the curtains from an earlier episode or fwwm. I forgot which one. But it's the exact same audio. What that means exactly I don't know. I think it's just a reference to or her actual death or just concealing her fate and how Cooper cannot rid twin peaks of its evil.

  • @taychris39
    @taychris39 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would love to hear your theory if you have one about "The Little Girl who lives down the Lane"
    If you dont remember, The arm repeats Audreys quote "Is it the story of the little girl who lived down the lane? IS IT?" from when she fought with Charlie in a previous episode. This is after The Arm says 'I sound like this.'....If you do reply I have a few possible theories that I have put together about Billy, Sarah,and Richard (son of Audrey) I

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm going to note this down and look further into it, that you for your interest. The arm is one of the mysterious characters this season that I would love to make an analysis on. I'd love to hear your theories!

    • @taychris39
      @taychris39 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I really love your analysis and to add my thoughts about Richard Horne Being the son of Audrey and I believe his father is Mr. C but with a twist.The Billy that Audrey is talking to about where he is with Charlie and trying to get him to go out. In the same way that Naido was actually Diane after being revealed by Coop. I believe that the drunk in the jail was Billy...but when he had sex with Audrey she thought it to be Cooper. When Andy took the people up to where Cooper had came into the Sheriff office Billy was not there and I think he may have disappeared to possibly the Black Lodge. When Mr. C saw Richard being zapped on the hill...He said Goodbye son.

  • @GavinMorris1
    @GavinMorris1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think it matters that the person who owns the Palmer house in the final episode is the actual real life owner of that house. That's Lynch saying that this is 'our' reality, but pointedly, not when in our reality. Just mho, of course, I don't pretend to actually know :)

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow, you're right! That's such interesting an interesting take on Lynch's authenticity. You have a good point, that would be interesting to say the least. Thank you for posting this info!

    • @chrisbee8009
      @chrisbee8009 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ... not only that, but there are references to "Curtain calls" and Eddie Veder is referred to by his real name in Part 16.. it's a bleeding of the TP world in ours IMO. And I have the sneaking suspicion that the reason the Audrey storyline makes little to no sense as you need to exchange the Audrey and Charlie characters with Sherilyn Fenn and David Lynch... no secret she made a bit of noise during production - read between the lines in the dialogue "Are you going to behave.. or do I have to end your story too ??". She 'awakens' in a vacant room in front of a mirror (subtext: take a good look at yourself', and 'totally alone - white/blank').
      There are LOADS of other things in The Return that I think mirror Lynch's experiences during production - look at the arm wrestling scene - I think it's Lynch's retelling of the Showtime negotiations... push pull..push pull.. then MR C wins and the accountant immediately asks him if he needs money. I'm guessing this is exactly what happened more or less when Lynch/Showtime were negotiating.

    • @3xitt
      @3xitt 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed... thanks for a briliant insight!

  • @HeatherHolt
    @HeatherHolt 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I'm pretty disappointed at his much time was wasted through the season. So little time was devoted to actual twin peaks and all the characters we loved. The whole dougie Cooper acting like a toddler for 12 episodes or whatever was just overkill.
    Idk, im going to go back and watch the seasons and the movie and try and make as much sense of it as possible.
    And oh how I miss the dancing Arm little guy.

    • @sd02231
      @sd02231 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      "So little time was devoted to actual twin peaks and all the characters we loved."
      And there's your problem. You're too attached to the old show. Time for you to be here in 2017 with the rest of us and learn to be more open-minded.

    • @Morrigan71
      @Morrigan71 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I totally agree. In fact, as a fan of the original, I felt insulted. And I hated the cop-out ending, stolen from Dallas circa 1986. This reboot had nothing to do with Twin Peaks -- most of it didn't even take place there. It should have been a spin-off from the original called something else -- Doppelgangers in Vegas or something lame like that.

    • @Morrigan71
      @Morrigan71 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      sd02231 -- If you're going to reboot a show to suck more money out of it, and market it with the same name and returning cast members, you're purposely creating that expectation. And your target audience is obviously fans of the original -- who else would care? The fact that this lame reboot lost viewers in droves is pretty good evidence that most people don't share your view.

    • @PunksterOS
      @PunksterOS 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Morrigan71
      I couldn't disagree more with you. I was thankful we didn't get the same stuff, I wanted something new and got it.
      The soap opera angle was dead, did you really want that again? I don't think the show would have done very well if it was all just the same as Season 2. At first, maybe but how long before people start tuning out because it is just a retread of everything that was already done?
      This was not a "Lame reboot," It was something different, it had mystery and style to it unlike anything seen before. The fact the viewing figures were low does not prove you right because as I said, the figures would have been low soon after people realised they were just getting the same old stuff as before.
      I think your nostalgia for the original series has blinded you a tad. Season 2 was tedious AF, this was not, it was extremely entertaining. I think once many get over the disappointment that it isn't the same and gave the show an actual chance, a fresh start, they may like it.
      Sadly, no, most people are like all those who go to a McDonalds and order the exact same thing they had to eat the last time they were there, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but David Lynch was NEVER going to pander to that mindset.
      We have actual soap operas that do that, we have that in abundance as it is outside of soap operas, we don't need more of it.

    • @justinkroboth360
      @justinkroboth360 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Given the rest of Lynch's work SINCE the original Twin Peaks, I'm still legitimately surprised that anyone expected a direct continuation of that. If anything was going to be a jumping-off point, it was going to be the tone of Fire Walk With Me, but Lynch is very much fascinated by alter-egos, reincarnation, transformation, et cetera - getting the "gang back together" just to do another season of a satire of soap opera television, which doesn't in anyway come close to dominating the airwaves today as it did during Twin Peaks's original run, would've been a waste. I was just happy to get 18ish more hours of him cutting loose and doing whatever the fuck he wanted because it very well might be the last big-release thing we ever get from him.

  • @standardofexcellence
    @standardofexcellence 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would just like to say you all are a smart group

  • @billmontgomery5284
    @billmontgomery5284 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think you have some interesting theories but I had difficulty listening because the background music was too loud and obnoxious behind your voice.

    • @heidipaul242
      @heidipaul242 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah - get rid of the music.

  • @maytav
    @maytav 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    mind blowing...

  • @godrilla5549
    @godrilla5549 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's hard to believe it's been 6 years already, feels like 2. I do live in a town with lots of portals and drove through something strange last weak.

  • @josephrocco2954
    @josephrocco2954 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That’s not Laura and Cooper because he prevented her death. No death of Laura, no Twin Peaks. Lynch gives us a TP in name only. What year is this? Not 1990. Everything has been changed. There is no Laura Palmer. Her name faintly heard is is appropriate because that’s all she is, a faint memory. The scream is the acknowledgment that TP is dead and buried.

  • @robbaydj
    @robbaydj 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great! But if Dale changed the timeline of twin peaks, how would Dougie end up with JaneY E, that storY would have never happened, or Cooper entering the black lodge in the first place

    • @chrisbee8009
      @chrisbee8009 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You simply cannot try to apply this type of logic to The Return. If you were to try, you'd end up with a laundry list of issues; Major Brigg's 16 sets of fingerprints, rings in stomaches, what exactly Mr C was ACTUALLY doing etc, unexplained glass boxes etc etc.

  • @sobegirl27
    @sobegirl27 ปีที่แล้ว

    David Lynch is building more ideas off this comment section.

  • @SashaDaeith
    @SashaDaeith 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The loop concept you're talking about is interesting. When Laura's mother (but is it really her and BTW what happened with her and what entity possessed her?) is drinking vodka in front of the TV, every time we hear that static electricity sound, time resets on the tv show she's watching, though she doesn't seem to pay much attention to it.
    Edit : I discovered Lynch last year and proceeded to watch everything he's done so I started twin peaks a few weeks ago and just finished the third season twenty minutes ago, running to your video for some kind of theory for the end. I feel lucky not to have waited for episodes to come out, and for being able to watch all of this in a row.

  • @DarkeningSkies1
    @DarkeningSkies1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you may be overthinking it just a wee bit, but a very cool analysis nonetheless. I think Lynch certainly leaves his art open to an individual's interpretation, so there is no "wrong" way to see it.

    • @chrisbee8009
      @chrisbee8009 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Couldn't agree more - it is what it is and what Lynch/Frost wanted it to be. I loathed everything about Part 18, but I don't think liking it was ever the point. The way the story ended, Lynch/Frost kind of put a knife in both the old series (Laura saved, Pete goes fishing), and a knife in the story continuing .. Cooper is lost, Diane leaves, Laura is no longer Laura.

  • @remingtongagnard4442
    @remingtongagnard4442 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I loved it, but at the same time, there were so many important loose threads that I want more 😢

    • @OldTinMan
      @OldTinMan  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wouldn't complain for another season.

    • @JGAbstract
      @JGAbstract 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which important threads? After researching theories, I'm pretty satisfied with the full series storyline and it feels complete.

  • @shade1427
    @shade1427 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was this idea actually the original one for the series 25 years ago? Just the ending of season 2 or the entirety?

  • @jlukedarklight7154
    @jlukedarklight7154 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think there will be a season 4 because the season 3 finale has too much similarities with the season 2 finale.
    If you look at them closely you will feel the same feelings, the same "suspended" atmosphere.
    Furthermore, they both end with Cooper making a question, and a question always need an answer. An answer we might get sooner or later because Lynch is too smart and left an open door for a next season (and an ultimate finale).

    • @neotek303
      @neotek303 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But alas there is none and we are left pondering what the heck it's all about and why couldn't some of the nonsense be edited out to give time for more clarity.
      Answer: because it's a dream and dreams are often made up of nonsense and mundane going's on.