[Twin Peaks] Audrey Horne The Final Dossier | What Happened to Audrey
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- Twin Peaks’ Audrey Horne was a fan favorite in the original run. Her story was confusing in S3 and The Final Dossier gave us some answers.
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Audrey Horne of Twin Peaks was one main character that fans really weren’t sure about where she was at during Season 3. Her situation didn’t seem real and there were many theories that she might still be in a coma from the bank explosion she was in 25 years earlier.
With the release of Twin Peaks The Final Dossier we got some answers as to what happened to Audrey Horne in the 25 years after Twin Peaks season 2 concluded. In the end we aren’t sure what Audrey’s situation in Twin Peaks the Return was exactly, but this video discusses the most likely scenario.
If you’ve read the Final Dossier let us know in the comments what you think happened to Audrey.
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The mirror in the white room shot was the single most soul crushing terrible saddest thing I’ve ever seen in my entire lifetime.
Stay off the deepweb then lol
@@grelm1322 lol the deep web is just credit card information and medical records, you are talking about the dark web.
I've got nothing on how or why, but I love the theory that Audrey is stuck in the audience's reality. Pretty much the only two pieces of "evidence" that can make that work are that she's looking for "Billy" (Zane?) and that the song she dances to is actually announced as "Audrey's Dance," which is the name of the song in the audience's reality.
Woah
Dude... I've been saying it since I first heard "Audrey" talk about "Billy".
She is stuck in our (the real) world, and she is looking for Billy Zane, because he played the only man (other than Coop) whom she ever actually loved... "John Justice Wheeler".
And why else would she have been introduced in the Roadhouse as performing "Audrey's Dance"?
Upon repeated viewing, though...
I do think she was ripped out of whatever reality she was "in" (our reality) when Dale and Dianne crossed over... and she woke up into the reality where she REALLY resides... an insane asylum, which is where she ended up after suffering such trauma at the hands of Mr. C.
"He's got emotional problems. Runs in the family."
~ Audrey Horn, S1
It seems like one of the major themes of "The Return" was "you can't go home again."
Kept thinking through a lot of it that Lynch hates his audience. Or audiences in general?
You can't - and you can. As Laura did in the final scene. The duality/unity that Lynch uses over and over again in his work.
I was really hoping for Audrey/Cooper reunion scene but oh well.....
Not A Doctor that’s what Lynch wanted you to hope for.
It was. Audrey / Mr. Cooper = Richard.
You can't go home again.
thats because fairy tales are not lynch's style
Maybe in season 4....
The fact that the sheriff's department never sought to contact Audrey about her son's actions tell's me she's probably in an institution somewhere. The Final Dossier pretty much confirms the rumors amongst the townsfolk.
Or she's infamously an agoraphobic who cannot deal with her evil son or life, as we saw in her first scenes. And people respect that and live their own fucked up lives.I think the very last scene of her is symbolism, showing the result of black lodge effects on her. Electricity, trapped, terrified. AT first I thought that it MIGHT have been simultaneous to Richard dying, and it was her maybe losing those dark effects.
I think Lynch does need to do one more installment to show life now. He left off with Cooper, still harbouring dark effects and Carrie in OUR world. It can be assumed Laura flew out of TP time and into Odessa in OUR timeline when he altered time and saved her.
I think if anything, seeing Cooper deal with BL effects still and being 25 years older in two different worlds would be interesting.
I think Audrey suffered the same fate as Diane - Evil Coop raped her and replaced her with a Tulpa. The Tulpa is the Audrey we saw in The Return, and that last shot of her looking in the mirror is the real Audrey locked away in the Lodge, just as Diane was. Her strange experience of seeing James' fight in the bar (from the past) could be a side effect of her being 'of the Lodge', but it could also have been a precursor to her waking up to her real self. Tulpa Diane had a similar dissociative experience just before she was shot (she said she didn't feel like herself).
Because there are obviously multi dimensions working, and Lynch has said no one is wrong, what makes sense to ME is the Evil Coop /Richard thing is a nightmarish dream and in reality, Richard is billy Zane's and Audrey's hard life led her to work things out mentally by having such an awful dream.
Why else would dreams be such a huge theme?
I kind of think Laura skipped town and her dying was dreamlike too. and when a detective returns with her to "her" house, she has a spiritual moment and freaks out.
Nice! I didn't think of that. The more I think about Audrey being a Tulpa the more I like the idea.
I think its possible Audrey could be a tulpa.
I think she suffered the same fate as Diane in that he raped her and stuck her in a lodge like space (perhaps the convenient store). The difference is I don't think he made a tulpa of Audrey. The reason Diane had a tulpa is to keep an ear out for more info that she could pass onto him.
Audrey never interacted with other characters the way tulpa Diane did. I think it's pretty clear by the ending that was her starting to wake up from whatever dream-like state she was in. None of her scenes happened in the real world.
You're exactly right and there's proof in episode 16, when evil Cooper calls Richard Horne his son when he died. So obviously he must've been forcing himself on to Audrey. And we know that when he raped Diane she got replaced with a Tulpa. So there's very blatant clues left by Lynch, I don't know why everyone else seems to have missed it.
She's clearly institutionalized, and all of her scenes and conversations with Charlie are fabricated in her mind. The mirror represents reality. In Lost Highway, David Lynch used a camcorder to represent a reality that the main character was trying to avoid, and in Twin Peaks: The Return he's using a mirror. Charlie is likely an amalgam of sorts of psychiatrists and therapists that she's talked to over the years, played out as a hostile husband and wife relationship. There's nothing in their scenes together to indicate the year 2017. Charlie is talking on an analog kettle phone, his desk is full of papers and without a laptop or PC.
A lot of people who go into comas don't ever fully recover their mental capacities, and it's typically of mentally disturbed people to perseverate on people and places, such as Billy and the Roadhouse.
I'd like to think that David noticed this false glorification to Audrey from some of his watchers. Not to say that she didn't rise to the challenge like she had done in S1 and 2. But an almost surface level glorification that viewers had about here on the way she looked or danced. Then David decided to show the reality of Audrey with the mirror. The trap of viewing the world in a dishonest fantasy rather than an honest reality. Idk my view
@@oliverswenson2470 that sort of happens with the audience shipping audrey and cooper. Lynch turnes a beautiful romantic love history that we all dreamed of into a nightmare were audrey is actually raped by the evil cooper and gives birth into a equal evil son. He just basically distorts the world of twin peaks as we love into reality. It's not the story of the girl who lives down the lane anymore, it turnes into reality and all we loved becomes pain and suffering. It strikes me when in the first season cooper gets mad at albert because he treats the death of laura as one more crime, nothing more. Twin peaks wasn't numb to death as we are, it was full of life as he says. In the return we see that world again, a world were every character is detached and there´s nothing to glorify anymore.
Don't know if you've seen it...but there's a video on TH-cam that purports to explain all this stuff from the beginning in '90 to the end of Returns. Lots of interesting stuff. Twin Peaks Finally Explained (Really)...I think that's what it's called.
here's what happened:
we saw events out of order, so...
the dance scene/bar fight/smash cut to white room with mirror occured at the same moment laura was taken from fwwm timeline and all events changed. audrey's reality was reset and she was placed in her new timeline.
That's exactly what I was thinking. The reason for her confusion was that time reset around her instantly and she is, in the new timeline, institutionalized in some way... but she, being connected intimately to the Black Lodge via sex magick (rape by Doppelcoop), is not completely of the "real" world any more so she is not directly affected by the change of the timeline and is aware of it when it happens.
I’m still a little angry with David Lynch about how Audrey’s story played out..
she ended up the way somebody like audrey would end up.
@@plasticweapon I don't think she would have ended up like that if it was not for the coma she was in and the time she spent in a mental health hospital. That blast in the Bank probably did both brain and psychological damage. Not to mention when she was held hostage at One Eyed Jack's.
@@iamnumfive and not just held hostage but she was forced to take heroin which quite possibly messed up her psychologically even more
It did seem pretty mean-spirited ad cruel. Like Lynch was really trying to crap on the nostalgia, not just go in a new directon. I mean, she has ZERO connection to anything else in the story, except that she was unconsciously raped by Mr. C...and that's it. And this is actually a _better_ version than what Lynch had originally intended for Audrey until Sherilynn fought him for a less brutal story. In the original, all she does is get the shit beaten out of her by her own son.
Like David, wtf?!?
So, original/unofficial timeline (Laura dying) is where DoppelCoop causes chaos, Twin Peaks folk succumb to the Black Lodge influence and the strange story of Audrey, shows the despair of a world ruled by Judy and Bob, essentially. The now official timeline (Laura going missing, losing her identity as Carrie Page) is supposed to erase that chaos, possibly with inevitable side effects. Lynch makes a point of showing how despaired the town is and how morally corrupted people are in general in the world where DoppelCoop and his crime syndicate runs rampant.
Audrey’s little bit in the show, I think, is just another example of the evil that was unleashed when Laura was killed, leaving no living weapon to fight Judy. The fact that Lynch did not resolve these things is great! We can possibly deduce that the new timeline puts Audrey in a better place, being that DoppelCoop never existed and so was the case with Richard. The great thing is that Lynch lets us finish the story.... if we choose.
A couple ideas. One is that Charlie is actually Chuck from the roadhouse who is currently married to Renee. In Audrey's delusional state she is still married to him and creates an image for him to match how she thinks about him. I think she says something similar to "I finally see you for who you really are". Since Chuck has violent tendencies, that could explain why she gets terribly frightened at the end when she witnesses a hostile man entering the roadhouse. It's also possible that Richard was abusive toward her, and that drove her to her delusional state.
The second idea is that rather than snapping out of her delusional state, she transitioned to a new timeline when everyone else did. (The original timeline ended when the clock stopped ticking in Sherif Truman's office at the time of completion.) The reason she looks confused and frightened is because like Dale, Diane, Gordon, Laura, and Jeffries, Audrey remembers the original timeline. Jeffries alluded to this idea when he told Dale to say hello to Gordon - "he'll remember the original story". It seems that anyone possessed by or in direct contact with a lodge entity had the unique ability to retain memories from a time line that no longer exists.
the second idea was my thought exactly.
"He'll remember the UNOFFICIAL version."
That's the line.
I think it would have made more sense if Audrey had been the one that owned the place in NYC with the box. I don't think she would have ended up institutionalized. She had her head on her shoulders and probably would have been successful like her father. The box could have been a way that she was searching for Agent Cooper who she had a crush on. It would have been great if she had been trying to find him for all those years, but instead she had some scenes that made little to no sense. I think it was a wasted opportunity and a disservice to her character.
I think the box may have just been comic relief, not relevant to the plot at all. I think the box and the people on the couch having sex during the show just represented us, the viewers, watching tv, and then getting distracted and having sex. And then David Lynch sent the Experiment, Judy, to scratch our faces off, just for a laugh. I think David has a weird sense of humor. I'm not at all sure that my explanation is correct but I suspect it might be. Just David Lynch screwing with us, bringing us into the story and then mauling us to death.
So sad to see how DoppleCoop can so drastically ruin lives. A truly evil character.
Joe V worst part in the real world there are plenty of those
Still my favorite character in the entire series.
It was our old friend Bob in fact. He just looks like Cooper.
@@Rh143 no, evil coop is just evil. Bob just rode along to get garmanbozia
@@Rh143 You missed the whole point of the show. That is almot very child-ish to say... The whole metaphor of Twin Peaks was the duality we have in ourselves. But your literal reddit mind can't even understand a simple metaphor. It was not the bob inside him made those things. It was the Cooper's own evil impulses, his shadow self. It was not ''BOB'' who did those evil things, it was Cooper himself. Bob is just a metaphor and a plot device for the evil we do. Seriously how old are you? You must be 14-15 years old i assume, so sorry if this is too much for you.
The one and only prediction I made for The Return was that Richard's father was J J Wheeler. That prediction was last seen floating down the river, wrapped in plastic.
Ha ha! It's not alone, there's a few of mine just rounding the bend!
lol:)
Dynomite!
I really wish Lara Flynn Boyle didn't push the show away from Audrey and Cooper because she was dating Kyle at the time, Audrey was the one meant to be kidnapped by Windom Earl not Annie so I really wish I could see how that would affect the plots and characters. I've been doing a lot of deep dives since I've been re watching the show and I agree with the theory that Audrey was the girl Cooper should have saved. Laura was dead and was meant to be dead, BOB couldn't get to her and possess her so I the end she was OK and in going back for her Cooper is now maybe stuck in a loop?? It was too late for Laurz but not for Audrey. That was maybe ,y only bummer about this is that I can kinda understand the other characters plots but Audrey's is the one I'm still? About. I think her in the white room is her after the time line is reset. I'm not holding out for a clear or finished story cus it's Lynch but I do wish we got more of her
Thanks, Pete. Your channel is becoming "therapy" for me after S3.... good analysis.
Cool, thanks for the feedback.
Love Lynch-- but he totally plays favorites.... S3 was all about his favorites: Kyle MacLachlan, Laura Dern, Naomi Watts, Miguel Ferrer, Mädchen Amick, Harry Dean Stanton and Lynch himself.... which is fine, they were all great.... But, Audrey's character was weak and no Annie was tragic.....
HJG HJG not to mention no Donna via either Moira Kelly or Lara Flynn Boyle.
It's better to be no Donna at all than Mora Kelly... she ruined FWWM.
Pun2404 he asked her if she wanted to return and she declined I guess that’s what he said
@@YOBAMUSTDIE what does FWMM mean?
@@bonniefrank2225 Fire Walk With Me twin peaks prequel-sequel movie.
The Arm asked Cooper a question at the end.. "Is it the story of the little girl who lived by the lane?... Is it?" Was that a reference to Audrey? (Audrey said that in one of her first appearances in S3) Why'd he ask that?
Maybe the dreamer is Audrey.
The way that both Charlie and the Evolution of The Arm speak of "the little girl who lived down the lane" makes me think that there is a deeper connection between Audrey and the Lodge entities. My theory is that Evil Cooper raped both Audrey and Dianne to summon Judy in a "sex-magick ritual": unlike Leland/BOB, who is irrational, Evil Cooper/BOB is cool and calculating- there is a purpose behind everything. Maybe this tied Audrey to the Lodge world in a deeper way?
I think Frost basically confirmed she was a lodge entity. I don't remember the interview but he was asked about her, and he referenced the "backwards" music just after her scene ended and said something along the lines of lodge entities always speaking backwards.
After season 3 and now the Final Dossier I think in my opinion after 25 years...Lynch and Frost kinda chose to make Audrey a secondary character. Her main importance after all that time was that she gave birth to Mr.C's demon seed. Her life (like many others in the Final Dossier) turned very sad, was rough and ended up just really sucking. This kinda sucks for fans of Season 1& 2 because she was a very beloved character and had a lot of air time. Now after Season 3 and the Final Dossier it's pretty clear she became a secondary charatcre in the Twin Peaks world which leaves a lot of fans either sad or very angry...but it is what it is. I don't blame Lynch and Frost for this because not every character from Season 1& 2 can have 25 years of good fun times. The book helps make sense of Audrey's plight so I'm glad Frost aded her into the book.
I think Frost was just trying to show that life happens to everyone. Even our favorites. It's the one thing we can't escape.
I agree. I'm just REALLY thankful as a fant hat Frost put this book out. It gave me a lot of much needed follow up and closure to a lot of very beloved characters where Season 3 skipped right over a lot of those characters. My problem with season 3 (even though I did enjoy it) was not so much that Lynch didn't give us closure but that he didn't give me enough "followup" on what happened to characters from 25 years ago. It's kinda like Lynch doesn't realize that a lot of fans of Twin Peaks really fell in love with all of these characters he created and instead he sort of ignored that aspect and gave us more story and more characters. And again I point out that I liked the new characters and the new story lines. I just don't understand how he thought it would be okay to just skip entire characters from 25 years ago. It's very weird to me. Makes me wonder something to...makes me wonder if he creates a Season 4 if he gives us a story or explanation for say a character like Albert not being around anymore because Miguel Ferrer passed away.
Lynch has never been kind of women in his works. So Audrey could not have had a positive life path.
Moses Garner you know, even though a lot of characters lives end up pretty... Depressingly after awhile, look back on the character who started it all: Laura. She was always suffering, but she still tried her best to fight back against BOB and stay positive and productive to the community of Twin Peaks. But then it came to a point where she was finally murdered and really set things off. But it's happened before. Teresa Banks from Deer Meadows. All of these seemingly innocent characters are corrupted and tortured by an indescribable force. Something about Laura was extremely important to everything that happened to Twin Peaks, and after she died, everyone and everything we thought we knew was bound to change drastically and negatively. It climaxed at the last episode of the original run, and The Return is basically the aftermath of it all. It's dark and sad, but realizing what it all means, it makes me really appreciate S3 a whole lot more.
Totally!
It seems likely that cooper altering the history of twin peaks by meeting Laura in the woods the night of her murder and she disappears I believe to be the same time in ep 1 that older Laura in the black lodge just seems ripped out of time the same way with the same sounds. This altering means Laura was deemed missing and never found, Leland eventually kills himself and Sarah goes on to be a lone widow driven hermit. This altering seems to have maybe changed Audrey’s reality. She didn’t seem to wake up in the white room, she was already awake staring into a mirror and then didn’t understand where she was. Like she really was at the roadhouse seconds before. Again the history of Laura changing could have altered that point in time for Audrey in the future right after her dance and the fight breaks out.
Sherilyn Fenn mentioned in an interview that she cried when she read Audrey's original role in Season 3. She refused to do the role and Lynch had to rewrite the script in order to accommodate her. I think that's why what we saw in Season 3 with respects to her is so strange/confusing. We don't know what she was so upset up with respects to Audrey's role in the original script. However, I do wonder if in the original script Richard was supposed to attack Audrey instead of his grandmother.
Sounds reasonable.
I remember seeing that she was upset that she didn't get more onscreen time. She said something about it on twitter. i got the impression there was stuff that was filmed but not included.
Fenn isn't vain. She doesn't want Twin Peaks fans to be disappointed and he may have excluded her as he excluded several actual MAIN characters. AND he could've had Richard attack her initially.
But she isn't entitled. If he didn't plan on including Audrey at all, fans would be HURT. Notice how much anger many expressed that it took a dozen episodes to get to Audrey's first scene. Fenn honors show fans FIRST. She's . in no way vain.
@JUJU Agreed, there are some videos she's done of recent Twin Peaks panels at conventions and she's very down to earth. She's also been doing them for years and loves to meet with the fans, not snobby and entitled at all. However she is very honest about her feelings and I could see her being upset with the Richard scene if that was originally her character. If that were Audrey's only scene, it would just be one of seeing the character getting abused by her own son and him threatening to rape her disabled brother right in front of her. I could see her getting upset with that on a personal level and also on behalf of the fans.
I wonder if originally Richard was supposed to kill Audrey or did kill her previous to season 3 airing??? He speaks her name at the end like she's part of his past.
who knows but we do know there's nothing Lynch wouldn't do, that slick slick crazy man ;)
The arm wrestling scene was awesome
One thing I just have a hunch about, myself, is that David Lynch does not consider Audrey an important character. I don't think he has much interest in her, or her storyline. Although she is personally my favorite character, he is kind of right about that. She's really not all that significant to the overall world of Twin Peaks, with the exception of giving birth to Richard, who has horrible effect on others. After all, Laura is "the one" and Audrey had no real relationship with her. He has his favorite characters and actors, too...so...that kinda has to be considered. Shelly isn't really a "fan favorite" but she gets at least twice the screen time as Audrey, and I believe it is for no reason other than Lynch likes her more as a character (and the actress herself).
I think the significance of Audrey's Dance shouldn't be overlooked, however. It was never just a dance. I never got that impression, ever. Am I alone in that? It clearly seems like it has some sort of influence over her. She does not look happy when the band announces "Audrey's Dance" (which can't possibly be the name of the song). The dance is really the strangest thing about her character throughout the series. It has never made sense. It's like a signal from somewhere (like a lodge) that puts her into a trance. When she is interrupted by the fight, she panics and runs to Charlie telling him to get her out of there, as if she knows something is happening or about to happen. Then it does. Immediately. It's not like she's "waking up" standing in front of a mirror, like she woke up from the dance, it is like she's moved. Transported. Somewhere. the electric buzz has to be significant somehow.
She had a horrible life in the timeline where Laura Palmer is killed. Aside from Laura, she is by far the most unlucky and abused character in the series. So, it makes sense that she was in a psych facility and had a psychiatrist, but to me, this seems very "real world". After all she has been through, it seems like this is EXACTLY how Audrey would end up.... mean, unhinged, an alcoholic, and violent. But, my own personal belief is that she begins to lose her own storyline right after she is introduced. She starts to forget who she is, who everyone else is, and then ultimately becomes an entirely different person, or at least a different version of Audrey Horne. One other sort of "Read between the lines" clue that I took away was an interview with Ms Fenn where she describes her as "sad" and "troubled but strong" or something along those lines. Yes, she has mental health problems, but she IS living in the "real world" , be that as an agoraphobic alcoholic or whatever. She might be the one character whose life significantly improves from a timeline change (or...whatever) where Laura Palmer never died.
One last thing, I could be wrong, but Audrey does not appear in the series until after Agent Cooper takes notice of the woman wearing the red pumps, right? They seem to spark a memory in him, and they are exactly like the red heels that Audrey used to wear. I just thought that was interesting.
I read somewhere that David Lynch and Sherilyn Fenn were in a dispute about her character and its inclusion in season 3. I think it's possible that the small guy who represented her husband was David Lynch arguing with her. I think it was David Lynch, director, having up and back arguments with an actress who was arguing with him.
Interesting, agree with a lot of these thoughts
@@lenfeder8937 Yeah, because the original story he had written for her was way more degrading. She's there to get her ass kicked and that's it. She was right to push back.
Wow🤭😢😟😦😞
Audrey was one of my favorite Characters in Twin Peaks. I always thought she'd travel the world and eventually married Billy Zane's Character. I would like to just remember her as what I stated above.
I hate to think she was eventually messed u for life. So sad.
When DoppleCooper lead Billy to the top of the rock and he gets fried he says " goodbye, MY SON". So ...would be the " Luke, I am your father"
Ten bucks says evil Coop strolled into her hospital room, lifted up the covers and yelled "HeellllOOOOhoohoooohhh!"
harshlight7 comment of the year so far
Even tho the whole rape thing is f***ed up, this made me lol
SO FUNNY SO DARK SO THANK YOU
HAHAHAHA!!! Omg, I got tears running down my face. :'D))))
Dougie Jones copied that at the Silver mustang casino :)
I noted last time I watched it that the song that Eddie Vedder sings as she's entering the Roadhouse really seems to be all about her, and how her life has turned out.
I would say that hers seems to be a completely isolated story that doesn't bear on the rest of season 3, except that she and The Arm both make the same reference to "the little girl who lived down the lane," implying there's some connection after all. Incidentally, The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane is the name of a late-'70s Jodie Foster film about a young girl living in isolation and trying to keep it a secret from her community. I'm not sure what exactly the reference is supposed to mean, though.
Great video, Pete! I tend to agree, the simplest explanation is usually best. I wonder if David Lynch would have more to add to Audrey's story if a season 4 ever materializes. I remember hearing somewhere that Lynch said The Final Dossier was Frost's take on events, implying his take might be a little different (which is both interesting and slightly maddening lol).
There's a rumor that her S3 part was rewritten. Richard and Aubrey were supposed to have a Mother/Son relationship, but Sherilynn Finn didn't like the part. So I think she is in a void of unwritten script, completely separate from anything else going on except that her son is Richard.
Didn't evil cooper say goodbye my son when he shot Richard horn
domfrommelb27 Yes he did.
Interesting, I forgot that, but I still think it might be John Wheeler's baby.
@@iamnumfive you can say john wheeler went with his john ...all wheels in
10-4
@@atsporty Oh long johnson.
Richard Horne was born out of Bob, and not so much out of Dale Cooper.
The Horne family had their own things to deal with.
Pete, what about the sounds of electricity in the scene with her looking into the mirror?
That had me thinking she was in some alternate time and space.
Doesn’t It have something to do with Judy?
When the kid blew up on the boulder bad copper said "goodbye son"
I may be asking an idiot question but, who is Billy? The one Audrey is looking for?
Completely agree with your take on this one, it's definitely the most plausible explanation. I do wonder what was in the letters between Audrey & Donna though. I'd like to think there's still a bit of mystery around her story, otherwise it's too damn depressing!
Likely Donna telling Audrey that they were half sisters. They had been trying to figure out what the connection was between Audrey's father and Donna's mother. Probably another reason Audrey stopped speaking to her father.
Yeah, Audrey’s role in The Return seems sad in comparison to her previous role. But I think she’s likely in a institution. Can we be certain? No. But I don’t think anything else makes sense
i took it as she woke up from the matrix. in the real world we are all in tiny white rooms in white jumpsuits, and we are all asleep
Excellent. Thank you
while watching the video it occurred to me maybe Richard beat her and put her in the hospital, the trauma of the experience wigged her out and she was transferred to a psychiatric center where the broken pieces of Audrey's spirit all finally come together at the point we see her "wake up" looking in the mirror in the psychiatric hospital. I suspect they set Audrey up for more of a role in season 4. They had Coop and Audrey wake up at approximately the same time and I think there's some connection there they intend to elaborate on. To me there was a clear message at the end of season 3 that there was more coming. Lynch and Frost tied up a lot of things but left a lot of others wide open, the very ending scene (I think) is David Lynch and Mark Frost telling us there's more to come, like they're just hitting their stride. I believe they're working on it, if they are, then we shouldn't hear much from Kyle McLaughlin as far as other work until season 4 is finished shooting and maybe even beyond that. If Kyle gets into another movie or TV project it's likely Twin Peaks is done, but I haven't heard anything about Kyle doing anything else yet. . . .
I like to think the same... Lynch is not a young boy anymore, I hope he'll be able to finish season 4.
I think like Diane, Audrey was R-ed and trapped in the lodge- what kind of mental institution puts you in an all white room with a single cosmetic mirror?
But that's what's great about Lynch, he likes to leave things up to the audience to figure out!
RIP Clark Middleton.
maybe John Justice Wheeler is Richard's father and everytime she wanted to go look for "Billy", she actually meant Billy Zane
Wonder what happened with the Billy Zane character from season 2?
I did see something that talked about symbolism in the story...TP is essentially a tragedy, and while Laura's tragedy was that she died young, Audrey's tragedy was that she grew old and went astray from her early hopes and dreams. I'm not sure if she's a Tulpa, or has been influenced by the Lodge, or if this is all in her head...there's a hint that Season 3 is all in Audrey's mind. And I wonder about the significance of her saying "Get me out of here!" and then suddenly waking up in a hospital. Part of me likes to think that the hospital scene at the end is her coming back to herself and maybe starting to take back her life a little.
This probably has no greater meaning but I thought it kind of looked like Audrey was undergoing hypno-therapy.
Her story kinda reminds me of betty page goodlooking sucsesfull and then just disapeard and whent insane
I know this is based on the final Dossier, Still it's hard to get passed the sound of Electricity when she appears confused in a white gown in front of the mirror, and then the backwards performance of Audrey' dance by the band following that.
I still think Audrey, an entire well of problems, was snatched up by Judy, and is in the world where Coop and Laura are trapped at the end of season 3. I mean, Cooper wants to save Laura, who he has a connection with via the murder case, but throwing Audrey in actually makes it work that much more, and things in the Bang Bang Bat don't always match up with the reality.
They pulled a lota genre mashups this season
We got "Rain Man" for Cooper
"Tarantino" for Hutch and Chantal
“who's afraid of Virginia wolf” for Audrey
Would've liked better payoff for such great setups though
imo cooper spent a few episodes too long doing the whole lobotomy schtick...it got a little old after a while
It was funny to see the Tarantino parody (with the actors from Hateful Eight) considering Tarantino hated Fire Walk With Me.
Having re-watched TWIN PEAKS, S2& S3; I think Mark Frost & David Lynch really didn't know where to go with Audrey Horne. Yes its possible that "evil Cooper" could have fathered Richard, but so could have her father. In "One-Eyed Jack's" she embeds herself to find out who the owners are and while she's there she manages to find herself as a prostitute, her father was a regular client. And although she is rescued by Cooper and Hawk, the plan nearly failed and Audrey is nearly discovered by her own father, her potential client. In "Fire Walk With Me" Leland discovers that he was nearly a new client to his own daughter. But when he makes the discovery, he narrowly escapes without Laura's knowledge. I think the reason Leland kills Theresa was because of the incest taboo. She ignorantly tried to pimp him to his own daughter and in his rage at himself for desiring his daughter as he did & at Theresa he murders Theresa, who was also wearing the ring at the time of her murder. Just as Laura wore the ring at her own murder. Getting back to Audrey, she is almost in an identical situation the difference being she has a child, unlike Laura. The picture of Cooper could be a wish-fulfillment fantasy on her part only because from TP/S1-2 we know what Audrey felt for Cooper. But when Audrey meets this other guy whose friends with her father [played by Bily Zane], because Cooper fell hard for Annie Blackburn, Audrey could have easily conceived with this guy as well. I say read the Final Dossier. It really answers some Qs but opens up more Qs.
Will there ever be a s4??? Or even another film??
I always think back to Audrey’s response to roll call in the Pilot...Audrey Horne? (Making quotes with her fingers) “here!”
I thought Billy Zanes character would be the dad.
Isn't it weird though that the actor for JJ Wheeler is named Billy? Just weird, probably purely coincidental. But funny.
Audrey is probably replaying her sons murder and death in the mental institution. but i dont get why lynch would put this story in if it didnt have any significance to the greater story.
Richard was created to create more garmonbozia
it's beyond obvious why audrey is in season 3 (to demonstrate how mr. c ruins lives and how darkness has corrupted the town/world), and the end of episode 16 explains everything (yes, she was dreaming, yes she was somewhere else, scared and hopeless). you don't need more information, this is a lynch film/series, not csi.
Audrey "storyline" in s3 was so weird. It was pointless, they should have explained more where she was.
Seems to me like a lot of things about Season 3 were nothing to do with David Lynch being a genius but David Lynch getting spiteful with certain cast members.
I could totally see that in him.
There's another really good theory out there that says it was her "waking up" from the dream.
Monica Belucci told Gordon Cole that they are like the dreamer who dreams and lives inside that dream. Potentially that means one or more people are involved with making and living in said dream, namely Audrey.
It makes some sense as Audrey in S3 is heavily associated with the Lodge; she said that her situation felt like Ghostwood, an entrance to the Lodge, and the Arm repeated her phrase about the little girl down the lane, and right before her jump cut from the Roadhouse to the white room you could hear the electricity associated with many of the portals associated with the Lodge.
I really hate how this "Final Dossier" eliminates a whole bunch of juicy speculation with conclusive answers. That's not how this is supposed to work. I prefer to imagine someone fantastical is behind it, but not know what exactly.
I know an Audrey in real life; a Lola character, a narcissist, no longer able to attract attention, no insight, no depth.
Audrey's seems a fairly inevitable story.
Wait... So what was the deal with Billy?
We will probably never know. We can imagine our own answers, though. Based on the Final Dossier, we are a lot better off doing that than we would be if Frost tried to explain it.
Billy Zane played Justin Wheeler it’s breaking the fourth wall
Billy was the name of the guy in jail with the messed up face that kept mimicking the dirty deputy.
I always thought she was referring to Billy Zane. As the ending of the series showed, the season broke the fourth wall
Lynch was not given enough time and money to shoot all the stuff he wanted. The company screwed his complete vision, so we got the abbreviated version. Thanks for sharing your art Mr. Lynch, you are appreciated 💀👻👽
Did you notice that Cooper becomes Richard in the last episode ? If the theory about the change of the events since Laura was saved, Richard will not be killed by his father. Maybe Cooper became his son in another reality and maybe Audrey was transported in the same reality by dancing like she did 25 years ago. We don't know when the scene in the white room is happening after all
There was a book? I’m so confused
Frost put out a book after season 2 and the return. There are two books that tell more about what Lynch abstractly put together, likely to appease people who NEED answers hahaha
Dopple coop was Bob right ?
Isn’t been calling him Doppelcooper. To distinguish between other doppelgängers. Just hadn’t heard anyone else say that. Cool.
In the second season when windom Earle contacted adury the camera switched to a camcorder I think at that moment she was starting to get pulled to our reality or some other than twin peaks
Why do you say in-erested? I'm not a native English speaker, so I am wondering. I was taught to pronounce the T in there. Is it a dialect? Thanks
Americans don't generally pronounce T's in the middle of a word. Depending on the word, they either come out as a D, a glottal stop, or nothing at all.
Poor Audrey
Lynch is really anti-nostalgic when it's about Twin Peaks. Season 3 is no way something that dwells on the past, to pay homage as somekind of a loveletter to the 90's series for the whole season at all, and that's just so progressive, and I like that. Audrey's plot is indeed dark, and nightmarish, just like the whole series. That being said the last two episodes of Return are just powerfull mixture with the classic and new Twin Peaks, playing with those old scenes and fill in new ones into them is just mindblowingly good.
yes what happened to Audrey?
Veering off-topic a little, I've been re-reading the Final Dossier and I've started to wonder why Frost and Lynch didn't decide to do a series JUST of Twin Peaks - a straight story (excuse the Lynchian pun) about what happened to the residents of Twin Peaks, similar to the Dossier. I think it would be a brilliant idea, keep it seperate from the Return story, with maybe dropping in and out of the reurn, teasing the viewer from time to time.
Since Frost seems to be the main author of the day-to-day stories about life in Twin Peaks, Shelley, Audrey, Bobby, Ben, Jerry etc, he would be the ideal writer for it, it would keep most of us happy and would appease those who didn't really like or appreciate the return and yearn for the seasons 1 and 2. With the Dossier they have the basic storyline, so a kind of Spin off would be eminently do-able.
You would most likely have to leave out Cooper, which would disappoint some, but I really think it would work!
Well you wouldn't have to leave Cooper out, just include scenes that give more concrete story for some of the more mysterious characters. That said, That isn't David Lynch. The show is his work with Frost's help. The book is clearly Frost's and some are grateful for it. I've heard several of the castmembers say they dont want to read the books Frost writes because Lynch means for things to be left pretty open to interpretation. And as a result, SO MUCH can be taken from it.
Lynch is a TRUE ARTIST. He isn't a typical tv producer.
ART should stand the test of time and make viewers think, even at random times.
Some don't like this and that is ok. There is plenty of other television out there to devour.
It's clear what Audrey's story is about, people make the mistake of compartmentalising each story when in reality is an almost mythical all-encompassing tale. Simply put, Audrey died in the explosion, just re-watch that scene, there's no way anyone survives an explosion like that and she was practically next to the point of origin.
Hasn't it been made clear in the 3 seasons and Fire Walk With Me? We live in a dream. Pay attention to Monica Belluci: "We are like the dreamer, who dreams and then lives inside the dream, but who is the dreamer"? For all intents and purposes Audrey Horne is dead and her consciousness created a whole reality a la Jacob's Ladder. "I feel like I'm someone else, have you ever had that feeling, Charlie? Like I'm somebody else, like I'm somewhere else".
Seriously, the whole story of Audrey Horne in the Return is so out of context that is should be a hint. Electricity is an almost omni-present theme in Lynch's story, the Electric Universe, a Hologram, a Dream. Audrey Horne then asks to be pulled out and she's indeed pulled out from her dream which is the cause of a big shock, hence her looking at the mirror, a projection of her consciousness.
The fact this escapes most Lynch's/Twin Peaks fans is way more surreal than Lynch's show... the man is using a fictional medium and art to depict something very real.
have to remember that , this so call billy its mencioned for other two women when they're talking in the roadhouse , and one of them says that billy enter her house and has blood in his mouth and nose , the very same thing audrey tells charly she dreams... so this billy have to be real and for that the whole situacion of audrey with charly and billy too
Right, I haven't seen, Fire, Walk With Me. And have only just finished Twin Peaks and watched the last episode of the return a couple of days ago. I have some questions/pointers.
Why are so many people saying that Audrey is institutionalised. What kind of institution would have a mirror where she could view herself/break the glass, do anything with the glass?
Everyone is assuming that Bad Cooper raped Audrey because Richard is her son and because Bad Cooper says "Goodbye son". But it still doesn't necessarily mean that he has raped Audrey. Unless I'm missing something massive. Bad Cooper could just have said it sarcastically because it's not his son but maybe Good Cooper's son or yet even another Cooper's son. WHY WOULD BAD COOPER HAVE A SON ONLY TO KILL HIM?
Why did he kill him? What's the reason? In the way he did with the lightening. A sacrifice to Judy but why?
Maybe Bad Coop didn't know he had a son. Or it could have been an estranged son from one of her lovers from the past.
Poor Audrey :-(
Teach me how to Dougie :3
Sherilyn Fenn is in a movie called Boxing Helena. It’s good you should watch it.
I watched it when it was new so many years ago. Don't remember much besides that I liked it at the time.
It's crazy to think she was in THAT movie, yet whatever was in the season 3 script made her cry enough to get it changed (lol). Maybe it's a good thing we didn't get to see it!
I think she cried over her original S3 role because she'd only get one scene, and it was to be Richard attacking her and robbing her (which eventually got redone to Richard attacking his Grandma).
I've read the Final Dossier and Secret History, but I think all this widespread assumption that Evil Coop is the biological father of Richard is unwarranted. My thinking is that it is still more likely that Audrey was pregnant (by John Justice Wheeler) at the time she went into the coma, and that JJW is Richard's father. Maybe Audrey believes Good Coop is the father because she is delusional, but I don't see anything conclusively pointing to Evil Coop as having somehow raped Audrey in whatever hospital she was lying in, comatose.
Given the power of the Black Lodge to "possess" people, could her coma not have consisted of a trip to the Black Lodge, where her unborn child was somehow transformed into an evil spawn, so that Richard naturally took up with Evil Coop once he had grown up and become a psycho? I don't know. I just don't understand why everyone is assuming Evil Coop is the father and not John Justice Wheeler. I always thought there was something not quite right about JJW anyway, and he did after all disappear to South America, never to be seen again.
great video and analysis, but i found the book to be a little disappointing in that it could have been a long appendix to the first book. my thanks to the local library.
Well now it seems like Lynch might be considering a s4 but do we really need it?
I will definitely watch it whether it's needed or not 😀
More want than need at this point.
I may be in the minority here but I'm just not that impressed with the books.They just seem a bit tacky to me.They capture none of the atmosphere and mystery of Twin peaks. I found the first quarter of the secret history boring and the Final dossier was okay but it didn't add much to anything. No pictures of the characters in the dossier and the stories were hardly riveting. The books are okay but to me they are just another way of milking the cow.
Wait .. What if the Audrey that woke up from the coma was NOT the real Audrey but a Tulpa, just like Diane? And the real Audrey is actually that other girl cooper saw in that in-stars place where the lady without eyes live! ... like for real, remember how evil coop only ra*ed Diane when he knew she was a tulpa? Same for Tulpa Audrey! Like remember “You were manufactured for a reason” ....
Not sure which is worse, his voice, or the words he selects.
Works for me.
Things turned out bad for her indeed.
The Return, the more I think about it, has almost nothing to do with the original because we are shown not a continuation of the time line of the original but a time line that has occurred after many tries by Cooper to resolve his issues in the Black Lodge.
Spoilers ahead just in case you need a heads up:
Audrey died at the bank explosion that killed Packard.
Ok, so folks may say she survived it.
But she's not the only ghost floating around.
We watched Jacque Renault died in the hospital. That is a fact. A long definitive death. Yet there he is tending bar at the roadhouse looking quite fit for a dead man.
What we are seeing in season 3 is another time line entirely separate that had similar events to the first 2 seasons and I'm certain there are other inconsistencies to re-enforce the idea.
I mean come on guys, Bobby is a COP :)
Jacque Renault in the return is referred to by a different first name in the credits suggesting that he's a member of the renault family but not Jaques himself. I forget what firsts name they use. It is the same actor though. Point is he's supposedly not the same character. Unless you're correct that he survived in a different timeline and is tending bar under an assumed name ...but lets not go there lol.
Well, different time lines is the defining mechanic of this latest season it seems so I'll go with 'Cooper has been doing this over and over for the last 25 years' theory. Helps smooth some of the jagged edges of the narrative.
Good catch on the name change...hadn't noticed this on my first pass through. I just need for it to come out on disc so I can avoid 'Duggie'...ugh :) (Have to skip those bits like I do 'Cheer leader Nadine' from the OS).
Don't be a dougiphobic lol. I'm a fan of the "Cooper is in an infinite loop" idea too. always trying to save Laura then resetting. he's like sysiphus pushing the boulder up the hill in hades then having to do it again over and over
You got it...he is literally in Hell. As for Dougie, I think we all just wanted to see what happened after the mirror scene and Dougie (yes, I'll be nice and spell it correctly, lol) was like this giant pause button.
Yeah, I still don't get the point of Dougie actually- why did the Lodge create him in the first place? The only purpose he served was to have a ready made identity in place for Cooper to use while Mr C was pretending to be him. Have I answered my own question? No, still seems pointless!
It's hard to say with David Lynch's art because it has the rather inate ability to operate on so many different levels. I remember reading a random review for The Return series at one point, and it suggested that attempting to analyze the events in the series is a mistake because it's not an intellectually justifiable story. I really couldn't disagree more -- there's a lot of articulate direction in terms of storytelling. I respect this theory on Audrey -- it's grounded compared to some opinions on her character, but this makes sense to the degree that it can, given what we know. Having said that, the questions are always much more pertinent because the themes in Twin Peaks directly & indirectly mirror our reality back to us.
Season 4, they’ll just call Cooper a different name every scene. Agent Jeremy, Agent Dave, Agent, Joe.
BOOM there you are
The dreamer within the dream...
I believe that each TP fan fed an expectation that Season 3 could be an artistical redemption for Sherilyn Fenn. She was unhappy in her choices after the remarkable work as Audrey, investing her talent in doubtful projects. Now we're struggling with an awkward feeling, lamenting the ungenerous treatment that Lynch and Frost dedicated to her. It sounds especially stingy and unjustified when you see the upshots given to other characters (the touching ending of Margaret "Log Lady", Hawk, Major Briggs, Bobby, Norma & Ed and others). TP-S3 was a celebration to many of them, but not for Sherilyn, and it's heartbreaking in real life.
Audrey changed for the worse due to life and Shelley is still the same. Both sad. Both REAL.
I think that one COULD construe that on one level, it's possible Audrey had Wheeler's kid, still had to drop out of school, still was upset over ghostwood stuff, and finally said fuck you to daddy. I think it's very possible Richard's problems manifested because he had no father, which Ben said in a scene CLEARLY meant to show regret and humanization on Ben's part. Ben was no longer the work involved asshole.
In many ways, Audrey's fate wasn't random. She was a neglected girl who always had to do her thing and unfortunately wasn't a success case. That's real life for many. Twin peaks is real life for many. There is a reason some viewers have brought up the television theories.
That when COoper and Diane edrove 430 miles to the powerlines, they left television world and entered OUR world, and became Richard and Linda.
Richard is the boy she gave birth to??
Wait... I thought Audrey died in the bank when she was chained to vault and the safe box bomb went off???
I haven't watched the new episodes
Well, that just sucks. I have only been able to see the first three episodes of season 3 and wasn't sure I wanted to proceed. It just was missing old Twin Peaks except for the minor presence of some of the old favorites. After hearing about Audrey, I really am hesitant to try and watch the rest. Seems to be from what I did see is that it's a new story with the name to draw in fans. Those episodes just didn't have the flavor. I may be wrong. As I said, I didn't see most of it.
Terry Quadnau Jr. You just gotta power through. The pay off is,great
Or are we seeing the new time line affect Audrey in "real time"... dum dum daaaa!
Mental hospital doesnt have any mirrors in it...
The Secret History of Twin Peaks was a really good read, with lots of good real history and UFO lore mixed in. "Tammy"'s little side notes were annoying but the book overall was still worthwhile. The Final Dossier on the other hand is a disaster. Written entirely by "Tammy", a terrible character, and filling in the show's blanks in as uninteresting ways as Frost could think of.