If you bought magazines with demos, there was probably hours of gameplay if you counted all the demos on the disc. But it only costed about £5 roughly, for the magazine and the disc.
Guess you can. Then again the focus of the games was almost always to play again and get S ranks. If you don´t care about ranks then even Metal Gear Rising Revengeance is short. Bought it on Steam offer and it was money well spent.
Why are we still here... Just to suffer... The dollars I've lost... The cents I've lost... My wallet... It won't stop hurting... You fell it too don't you... The lightness in your pockets... It's like my money is still there...
Kojima wanted this to be free demo, but Konami wanted a new MGS game to sell by 2014. P.S: I have divided price of TPP by number of main missions, and GZ should have costed 8 dollars 40 cents.
Maelich Arn you sound like the type of person to get served bread crust after ordering a sandwich, and then proceed to walk away saying "AwW GeEz I gOt the BesT ParT!"
xX-Mephiles-Xx agreed, but I think they are just informing others that it is available basically free if you have Xbox Gold or PS Plus or the definitive edition of TPP (which is what I personally have)!
You missed the point entirely! People being so damn willing to jump on anything that rolls out so fast regardless of the cost instead of being patient are the ones who pay the price......literally
Rogue Doge I so wanted to see him go classic Angry Rant after realizing there is only one mission, lol!!! But the review itself is basically his whole reaction summed up to the game's pathetic length!!!
IF we as consumers buy these games, it will only get worse and worse. It is like saying to EA and Activision and every publisher out there, "Please go ahead and make your games shorter and pricier! We can handle it!" And to think, I love the MGS franchise. I hate talking bad about it.
yeah giving a recap/context to this games story is a nice bonus, not a requirement, its not anyones fault you dont understand walking dead because you jumped straight to season 2 on your 1st watch
One day EA will release a 3 minute demo for Battlefield VI with 1 minute of that being a cutscene, with microtransactions and $60 box price and some people will still go out there and support it. It's getting beyond stupid the amount of shit these publishers get away with.
"The score is based on the game at release, at MSRP, full-price. Review scores don't factor in how much the game will cost 5 years down along the line or when it hits the bargain bin, just like they don't cover how good it will be 2 years later with all the fixes, patches and updates. It's an assessment of the game at release day, the state it's in when it comes out at launch. A score is to be used alongside 20 to 40 minute reviews...not to be taken out of context." Legendary/timeless quote from AngryJoe
You know what's funny? Just about everyone who is following Ground Zeroes has probably spent more time reading and watching reviews of it than what it takes to actually finish it.
Got GZ with the Phantom Pain "definitive edition" which included TPP and some extra DLC content and I totally agree with you Joe. GZ was a short demo at best, it honestly should have never been a separate entity from TPP, it should have just been an additional prologue that everyone got when they initially bought the whole game, as it is just far too short of a game to be a stand alone title w/a initial price tag of $40!!
Kojima isn't to blame for the price, so people continuing to praise him are doing no wrong. However, if one is unsatisfied with the amazing, yet short lived gameplay, then they may aim their hate toward him.
Mailb0x1 I am one of the MGS fanboys he spoke of. I wish I could talk with him in person and explain why I think it was worth my money. I understand what he is saying, but I feel he missed some important points.
logan muha Well I just realized now that when the Phantom Pain comes out, Ground Zeroes will probably be included in a deluxe edition perhaps. Besides I don't know shit about the Metal Gear series which I heard is like trying to read an assembly manual in Latin. I'll just wait for Phantom Pain and if that has a recap of 1-4, I'll get into it.
Some people seem to have a hard time figuring out how Joe can attribute a value based on length. Remember that the value is based on length AND the cost of the game. 4 hours for a $5 dollar game is friggin great, no problem. But to expect $40 or even $30 dollars? That's just ridiculous. There also seems to be a running fallacy that Joe has no right to review MGS games because he has never played them. To that I offer the following conundrum: Isn't the opinion and perspective of a new player just as valuable, if not more, than that of a veteran player? TotalBiscuit talked at length about how fans of a series should be open to new players sharing their feelings about a game, especially one that's had such a long life and has accrued a massive following. That way, the veterans and fanboys can get another perspective on their favorite game and maybe notice flaws that they didn't before. In any case, reviews are strictly opinionated. If you don't like the opinion, that's fine. But you shouldn't tell Joe that he can't share that opinion.
It's not even really the length that bothers me. I bought Metal Gear Revengence which was a short game and had a great time with it despite the fact that it was only about 4-6 hours, but you know what the difference between Revengence and Ground Zeroes is? Revengence was a COMPLETE GAME! It had a beginning, a middle, an end, multiple levels, multiple boss fights, multiple enemies and it tied up its story in a satisfying way. Ground Zeroes isn't a complete game! It's the prologue to a much larger game. This means that not only is it short, but it also doesn't even end. It just kind of......stops. Imagine if Hideo ripped the first mission of MGS 3 out of the game (the mission where the boss first betrayed you) and called that its own game. Can anyone here honestly say they would be okay with that? This is the exact same thing! Ground Zeroes has no business being released as its own title.
lol... just thought of something... what if this prologue gets included in the $60 full version of the game. That would be like selling an Xbox One for $500 with Titanfall already included. oh wait...
MGS fanboys defending this game should be ashamed of themselves. As a Die hard MGS fan this makes me sick and will only buy this when i see it in my local gamestore bargain bin.
Amen brother .im a recent MGS fanboy ,i played through all the games starting from MGS1 ,MGSV ,2,3,4 and peace Walker in that order i I got my copy of ground zeroes a few months ago for 5€ used and in pristine condition . I wont say that isnt fun . It is , and if you are a completionist , then it has quite a bit of content to entertain the player with . But it wasnt worth the 30$ price at launch , no way in hell. Screw Konami for rushing the development of MGS5/V it had the potential to be so much more than what we got. Not buying anything from that scummy company ever again.
What's funny is that Square Enix did the same with Bravely Default, they created a prologue that allowed players to experience the game before release while also seeing what happens beforehand, but here's the thing, it was completely free. I got about 5 hours out of the demo and that's when I knew I had to have the game. Kojima take not, this is how to do prologue demos.
Also if you haven't played Bravely Default go get it now. It's possibly the best Final Fantasy game since the 3D age started and if you don't have a 3DS go and get one and buy the game with it.
Dalton Uber Oscar Reece I downloaded it in 30 minutes, finished the primary mission in 50 minutes (S rank, first try), Beat all side missions (including Body Snatchers and Dejavu) in about 6 hours together with all S ranks first try. It was free and it was amazing, so happy I decided to hold back for it
Dalton Uber do the main mission and I think it unlocks the next. If I remember correctly, to unlock one of the bonus missions you have to find all the patches throughout the ground zeroes mission through one playthrough
You know what's hilarious... This review takes longer to watch than it can take to beat the WHOLE FRIGGIN GAME. New Super Luigi U was a better deal for $30 via retail.
Door-to-Door Hentai Salesman lmfao, true, it was kinda a turn off for me personally, but I still continued to play it and enjoyed it thoroughly despite the poor business practices behind this game!
in their defense. They did advertise it as an intro into the game play. They said long before it came out it was short. And it was $30 if remember correctly. So its not false advertising. People do have an opportunity to make an informed decision. But I agree. it should have been a free demo. Konami should offer people a mad discount on the full release of the game for the people who bought the demo. Man i love AJ's theatrics. hilarious
30 dollars could get skyrim, minecraft or new Vegas expanded edition(or whatever it is called) and each one has hundreds of hours of gameplay, and then there is mods as well
I don't understand- what part in this review you disagreed with Joe? The false advertising part? So that's 'theatrics'? He's acting because he's not saying the truth? Maybe he doesn't know about that very well. Acting =/= Being stupid. And about them saying that this game will be short long before it came out- that doesn't excuse it. Joe said "If I told you I was going to break into your house and steal stuff before I even robbed you would that make it ok? NO!". Yeah... that explains that. He also talked about the 30$ thing, saying that it's still not a great price for a fucking demo.
It's just before release DLC, with 49.99 dlc with only 40 minutes of fresh gameplay for games like COD and Battlefield I don't see why people complain so much when they cash out for that DLC with no problem. Kojima could have saved Ground Zero as DLC after release of PP and no one would bitch, they would eat it up, but instead he gave us the game early so stop complaining and open your mind alittle to see this is no different then DLC you already pay for, you just got it early
so there are some comments saying that, joe, being the new MGS player that he is, does not have rights to comment on the game. and does not agree with his review on this. which in fact he said the game itself was good and great. so basically you're all saying that this game is not good. well done... (proves that 90% of the defending MGS fans didn't even bother to watch the whole review) i mean...come on guys, what can't u understand? the game is good he's not saying that the game is bad because of the gameplay it's just bad because of how expensive it is for the amount of gameplay we get... sure side missions add 2, 3 or maybe even 5 hours but really those are side missions, every game has side missions... which if you count those game's asking price compared to this AT RELEASE, makes this game even more cash grab than before for example GTA V $60 with 40 hours of main story and look at many side missions it has..... or better yet... skyrim....look at how many side missions it has....
"wrong in everything else" so you're saying this game in particular is bad.... the graphics are bad.. and the AI is bad.... in fact everything about the gameplay is bad? because joe said it was good and fantastic
From what I've heard, Konami wasn't making any money around this time, and they needed to put out something to keep the lights on, hence Ground Zeroes costing $30. Kojima was against it, but they didn't care.
Why they should care what fucking Kojima thinks? He wasted a lot of Konami's money for five years + and the game was still incomplete. He is just another employee, not an excecutive so Konami did the best thing.
@@RandalfElVikingo they should care for the same reason they're milking mgsv even to this day. He was their golden goose and without metal gear what do they have? they've fucked up every IP they've released recently except games kojima developed. "just another employee:" is a stupid fucking generalization. konami has made nothing but shitty decision after shitty decision.
@@whitbaez1755 remember that konami has now grown to way more than just a game publisher and developer, and at that time they just saw the game/s kojima makes as a risky and long-term investment, and they didnt want that, they have easier money like microtransaction littered mobile games, pachinko machines and much much more businesses that gives them revenue way faster and much less risky than kojimas games
I was incredibly disappointed to hear that it was originally supposed to be a part of The Phantom Pain just like the MGS2 Tanker Chapter and MGS3 Virtuous Mission. I always figured Kojima was above this kind of exploitation since his games are usually always lengthy and extremely high quality. I want to believe that he wouldn't do this himself and Konami just had him by the balls but I don't know man. I'm going hold out on this game as long as I can which isn't going to be easy as a huge Metal Gear Solid fan.
Not really surprised japan are masters at exploitation like no one else. You should of read his ideas on making people pay every time they die in a game.
do you think so? if kojima didnt want this he could have influenced it or say fuck it, as konami would not wanna loose him, so im sure he accepted this or it was even his idea or a percentage. dont be ridiculous and think people are nice in business lol! where are the thinking brains, and not naive consuming brains. people get more brainless and unintelligent like the old scifi books already told us.
musicotaku666 No I don't think so, It's just what I am hoping is true because if it isn't then I have lost a lot of respect for Kojima as a creator. I am also not a "naive consumer" because I am not buying the game. Perhaps you should improve your reading comprehension before you go needlessly insulting other people's intelligence.
Look at all the fanboys trying to defend this unacceptable ripoff of a game... You don't charge 30 dollars for a demo with less than 4 hours of content. It doesn't matter how good it is, it's still a terrible value.
That's why I purchased this game when it was $15 on Xbox One hah. I am not a fanboy either, I happen to have played MGS for the first time when I got it. I still think $15 may be too much but it was good.
You do realize that there's such a thing as not being able to get the first four games, right? With a little time on the internet, you can quickly learn all the basics. I jumped into the Elder Scrolls at #4, and I have no problems with the lore. You don't have to play all previous metal gear games from the NES to the spinoffs to understand what's going on.
Sam Geuvenen at least give a good comparison. there is nothing from morrowind that you are required to know in oblivion. you can play any zelda game in any order. mgs is a story driven franchise and requires you to know the story. also if joe wants to only play as big boss he only needs to play 2 mgs games. mgs 3 and mgs peace walker
Ok, let's try another example. Why not look at... Metal Gear? I got in with MGS1 and I understood what was happening without playing the NES games. My best friend started on Sons of Liberty, and another started with Peace Walker, and they're just fine. The only Metal Gear game you can't play without playing the previous ones is Guns of the Patriots, but that's due to all the bits of old metal gears in it.
Can't argue with that. I ended up getting it for $5 to see if I liked it enough to get Phantom Pain and I LOVED it. Now I've been working my way through the entire series and I'm LOVING it. The price tag had to be Konami's doing. I could see $15-20 at launch, but $40 or even $30 is ludacrous. They definitely should have been more forthcoming about exactly what you were getting. Even a few months ago, I heard the game was short, but I was still shocked that it was over so quick. It's like every game in the series may be flawed in some way, but they are all flawed masterpieces.
Biggest MGS fanboy, been playing since the PS1, and I totally agree with you man. I was expecting something short, but this was ridiculous. If I hadn't paid for half of it was Gamestop rewards, I'd be livid.
Watching this in 2021. Just bought MGSV and it was bundle up with the Phantom Pain and still feel cheap addition. Only adding context to the main storyline.
Joe. please.. Give us a Dark Souls 2 review when it gets released for the PC. I beg you pleaaase. I want your opinion on this. It would be so friggin' cool to know what you think of it. Especially since the "Souls" series is so tough to complete. xD
Just for the ps3 so far. Joe doesn't own a ps3. Only a ps4. So pc version will be the only option for him. And I don't want to be spoiled by pewds let's play. I want a real tough review done by joe. :P
Asael Romo I ended picking it up for $10 used, I refused to pay a single penny more for the game, especially since it took me 49 minutes to beat the main portion.
My mom thought this was the full game I did too she got it for me because I was waiting for my Watch Dogs preorder. Thank god I returned it for Infamous: Second Son
I'm a huge fan of the Metal Gear franchise (even since the MSX era) and as a hardcrore fan tell you that this "game" is just an expensive demo. Phantom Pain will be awesome. But this demo isn't worth the current price.
God I love rewatching these. Crazy how Angry Joe's reviews have such a high value of entertainment even after the games have already been played, replayed and forgotten at this point lol
I still remember when my friend bought this game thinking it was the phantom pain so as you can imagine he wasn't happy when he found out it was pretty much just a demo
Back in my day they called this a demo
+ShermTank7272 Just like back in the day disc lock content doesn't exist
+ShermTank7272 Back in my day, this was shareware.
back in my da ffffffffffffghgffdfggfffgfggfgghggff
Except it did, loads of PS1 games had it. They didn't ask you to pay for it, but it was there.
If you bought magazines with demos, there was probably hours of gameplay if you counted all the demos on the disc. But it only costed about £5 roughly, for the magazine and the disc.
konami played us LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!!!
God fucking damnit
THEY TOOK IT ALL!!
MGS memes are the best.
IT HAD TO BE DONE!
Diren Cloe kept you waiting huh?
If Ground Zeros is $30 and the main game is 200X as big, does that mean the full game will cost $6000?
Makes sense :D
lol! Hilarious observation!
If the full game will be £50 the shouldn't this have been 200x cheaper than that?
So that's what next generation truly means
Quick mafs!
so i can buy it on steam finish it in a hour and get a refund before the 2 hour mark ;)
SecoBomb 😃😂
You could lol
lol
Guess you can. Then again the focus of the games was almost always to play again and get S ranks. If you don´t care about ranks then even Metal Gear Rising Revengeance is short. Bought it on Steam offer and it was money well spent.
So witty and original... I envy you.
Why are we still here... Just to suffer... The dollars I've lost... The cents I've lost... My wallet... It won't stop hurting... You fell it too don't you... The lightness in your pockets... It's like my money is still there...
TheNec_Romancer Quality comment.
A phantom pain
I won't scatter your wallet to the heartless sea, we'll make dollars from its ashes.
that's actually pretty funny
Kept you waiting huh?
Kojima wanted this to be free demo, but Konami wanted a new MGS game to sell by 2014.
P.S: I have divided price of TPP by number of main missions, and GZ should have costed 8 dollars 40 cents.
Nice, you can get it used now for €7
quite a math right there m8
#FucKonami
#fuckonami
+Ikhwan Blake konAss
Joe: "because FUCK YOU GIVE ME MONEY"
Easily one of the best quotes I've ever heard.
Skull Sniper The best one was the Godzilla one, when it sounded like "Because FUK U GIM ME MONEE." 😂
@@austinberry5696 🤣👌
And he gave them money so whos really to blame..the consumer who allows this shit is.
@@ShutUpBubiExcept he's a reviewer, so he essentially has to pay to review it.
I've got this "game" today for 5$. The blessing of Patience.
Same.
Fahim Ahmed PSN Store sale.
I got it for free on Xbox Live Games with Gold.
Guinea Pig Racer! I got it for free with psn one month don't rember when
Guinea Pig Racer! I got it for free
lol this review is longer than the game
Not really. The game is actually about an hour long. :P
+Jacob Medors Speed runs
+ThunderTime Yeah
Funny cuz it's tru
the thing is this is actually true though looool
You spend more time crawling like a worm on the first level of TPP then you do through the entire game of GZ
😁
Right lol
That's why he got his name Snake ... crawling with no arms lol but hey he got a nice 6 pack abs workout ha ha
In Ground Zero, it’s so easy to take on the entire base and win
+Squeguin Gamer There were no Ground Zeroes (Nuclear explosions).
Your review took longer than to complete the game.
idiot there is more to this game than the one fucking mission
i bet you never even played the game
You lost the bet, now hand over your lunch money.
Maxim Chepelev hahaha
dr penguin No, it's literally a prologue for "The Phantom Pain". So no other mission. You lost your bet.
Lucas Brito 1. there is other missions just not story based.
2. i know it is a prologue to the phantom pain
you think im stupid?
Someone managed to play this game for 300 hours.
+videoshack12351
Oh.
I just fooled around when I played it. Also Metak gear solid TPP is really good. You need to get it
TBH I thought GZ was better than Guns of the Patriots.
I stopped playing at Otacons mission in Europe. Abysmal.
Maelich Arn you sound like the type of person to get served bread crust after ordering a sandwich, and then proceed to walk away saying "AwW GeEz I gOt the BesT ParT!"
FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE SAYING I GOT IT FREE BECAUSE GOLD/PS PLUS That doesn't excuse This Practice! at All!
xX-Mephiles-Xx agreed, but I think they are just informing others that it is available basically free if you have Xbox Gold or PS Plus or the definitive edition of TPP (which is what I personally have)!
You missed the point entirely! People being so damn willing to jump on anything that rolls out so fast regardless of the cost instead of being patient are the ones who pay the price......literally
You could say that... THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE
I waited like a normal person and got this for 8 dollars and I can't put it down.
You will after 4 hours lol
Aadam Zafar Currently have everything S-ranked, and still fooling around with 30+ hours sunk in.
Robert Johnson Nice!
It's a good game people just keep bitching about the story length. The point of ground zeroes is to introduce you to gameplay
***** Don't see how it's shit... If you're trying to get a reaction here, you're not going to get one.
Would anyone else pay to see his reaction to there not being another level? He should have included that crap
He did at 13:34
Would you pay $30?? :)))
Rogue Doge I so wanted to see him go classic Angry Rant after realizing there is only one mission, lol!!! But the review itself is basically his whole reaction summed up to the game's pathetic length!!!
@@limaecho2475 Felt staged
IF we as consumers buy these games, it will only get worse and worse. It is like saying to EA and Activision and every publisher out there, "Please go ahead and make your games shorter and pricier! We can handle it!" And to think, I love the MGS franchise. I hate talking bad about it.
The problem with people these days is that they don't give *two f$%ks* about our rights.
Why are you following me Robby? XD
Robby
Star Wars HQ
Now we have to stop buying ea games!!!
Star Wars HQ aren't you the dudes that try to defend EA battlefront and their fucking bullshit
I'm a new MGS Fan and I completely agree with Joe.
A game without much content, short, and part of the "full" experience is indeed a demo.
Even the phantom pain was shorter compared to the older games in the series hell I'd even say the old msx games were longer
+Nathan Evans are you completely fucking high.
M I A KOOL YET? yeah i was
Man that is a shit load of things to do wtf. The game is amazing, GOTY easy.
There are four types of side missions and one map.
In the time that I watched this video I could have purchased, completed and then traded this game back in. Nice.
Can you rent Ground Zeroes?
That was a funny review
hey shake!
I'm just 9 years late
The game only canonically makes sense to those of us who have played MGS PEACE WALKER
yeah giving a recap/context to this games story is a nice bonus, not a requirement, its not anyones fault you dont understand walking dead because you jumped straight to season 2 on your 1st watch
I love how someone could speed run this game almost 3 times before this review ends
maybe 4
@@KnightKass 6 * 4 is gonna be More than 24 minutes
Honestly this whole thing smells more of Konami then Kojima, especially given Konami's horrible god awful business decisions recently.
Got it free with gold. :)
Wait I have gold, When was it free?
Same :)
+Conor Magee I brought it for the extra staff and exclusive MSF sneaking suit :D
Matt Mcmahan it was free back in either April, May or June. I think June.
yeah XD
This review is longer than the actual game...... I'll just let that sink in.
5 months later to copy another comment.
Hyoi-geinin ikr
I hope that *sink* comment was unintentional RIP Mother base
Somebody needs to make a compilation of Joe saying "FOUR HOURS" and have it on loop for four hours.
HE'S A MAN NOT A GOD
lmaoo
Come on comrades!
“Godzilla is approching the generator!” “the generator is losing power!”
He's a man not a weapon to surpass metal gear!
Caution: The enemy is approaching.
One day EA will release a 3 minute demo for Battlefield VI with 1 minute of that being a cutscene, with microtransactions and $60 box price and some people will still go out there and support it. It's getting beyond stupid the amount of shit these publishers get away with.
"The score is based on the game at release, at MSRP, full-price. Review scores don't factor in how much the game will cost 5 years down along the line or when it hits the bargain bin, just like they don't cover how good it will be 2 years later with all the fixes, patches and updates. It's an assessment of the game at release day, the state it's in when it comes out at launch. A score is to be used alongside 20 to 40 minute reviews...not to be taken out of context."
Legendary/timeless quote from AngryJoe
You know what's funny? Just about everyone who is following Ground Zeroes has probably spent more time reading and watching reviews of it than what it takes to actually finish it.
I can vouch for that, reeaaalllyyy tempted to go buy it though so I probably will when I get over to the PSStore
This review is longer than the actual game.
B.......But, it was konami's fault, i can't do anything to stop them, they even fired the intel i rescued :'(
+Big Boss go get them boss
+Big Boss And then you went into hiding while Venom took care of everything.
Mission Complete Boss
:(
Why do you move like tank
“Capcom is the king of BS DLC”
EA-DICE: Hold my beer
WB GAMES: hold my batman figure
Bungie: Hold our awards because we're gonna split up Destiny's campaign into different expansions.
This comment ages so well, especially with bf2042 rn
The year is 2024.... And capcom is ON FIRE... Banger after Banger..
Who ever issues Snake with binoculars has a sick sense of humour.... they should give him a pirate telescope.
Sad but true
This is why I go to you Joe for reviews. Honesty. No bullshit. The truth.
Same here, i based my own reviews on him, because it's entertaining, funny, an honest opinion and full of facts.
Agree 100%. Well said.
I love when Joe does the 4 HOURS?! in slow mo.
Lel, Joe predicted the Definitive Experience.
Dakota Andrews yep... Lol!
The ending was heart breaking, especially if you had spent 100+ hours with Peace Walker.
YES
Mixa Peace Walker was sick! Now just imagine how MGS5 is going to be...CANT WAIT!
Mixa I hope Alligator survived. ;_;
AwesomeNightman Oh gosh, he was my favourite too. Poor fella.
Yeah Alligator was my favorite too…
Plot Twist: Ishmael is Alligator
"Kept you waiting" for shit
so truuu
I love how everyone says he is a perfectionist yet let this slide
Chuck Finley I know right. Even Kojima fucks up sometimes.
Gamers don't see truth
+Chuck Finley kojima wanted gz to be free demo but konami monetized it!
You can complete this game 4 times in the time takes to watch this video. Lol. I'd rather they just released the full game at a later date.
Got GZ with the Phantom Pain "definitive edition" which included TPP and some extra DLC content and I totally agree with you Joe. GZ was a short demo at best, it honestly should have never been a separate entity from TPP, it should have just been an additional prologue that everyone got when they initially bought the whole game, as it is just far too short of a game to be a stand alone title w/a initial price tag of $40!!
Finally someone who isn't kissing Kojima's butt. Thanks for your honest review, Joe!
Projared is not too.
Kojima isn't to blame for the price, so people continuing to praise him are doing no wrong. However, if one is unsatisfied with the amazing, yet short lived gameplay, then they may aim their hate toward him.
Woot he mentioned me!!! The 6 minutes record was mine!. I'm honored!
Nice
Your profile pic sums up what I feel.
What did you think of the game too short?
Mailb0x1 I am one of the MGS fanboys he spoke of. I wish I could talk with him in person and explain why I think it was worth my money. I understand what he is saying, but I feel he missed some important points.
I know I watched your video where you did the speed run. The points were great!
$10 now on steam. Get it now, or later?
For 10$ definitely
logan muha Well I just realized now that when the Phantom Pain comes out, Ground Zeroes will probably be included in a deluxe edition perhaps. Besides I don't know shit about the Metal Gear series which I heard is like trying to read an assembly manual in Latin. I'll just wait for Phantom Pain and if that has a recap of 1-4, I'll get into it.
Yes
Got the game for 10 and it's so worth it.
Thanks for the suggestions but I just paid 2.50 more for Alien Isolation.
Nowadays we get “experiences” billed as full games with little content for $60+
Some people seem to have a hard time figuring out how Joe can attribute a value based on length. Remember that the value is based on length AND the cost of the game. 4 hours for a $5 dollar game is friggin great, no problem. But to expect $40 or even $30 dollars? That's just ridiculous.
There also seems to be a running fallacy that Joe has no right to review MGS games because he has never played them. To that I offer the following conundrum: Isn't the opinion and perspective of a new player just as valuable, if not more, than that of a veteran player? TotalBiscuit talked at length about how fans of a series should be open to new players sharing their feelings about a game, especially one that's had such a long life and has accrued a massive following. That way, the veterans and fanboys can get another perspective on their favorite game and maybe notice flaws that they didn't before.
In any case, reviews are strictly opinionated. If you don't like the opinion, that's fine. But you shouldn't tell Joe that he can't share that opinion.
It's not even really the length that bothers me. I bought Metal Gear Revengence which was a short game and had a great time with it despite the fact that it was only about 4-6 hours, but you know what the difference between Revengence and Ground Zeroes is? Revengence was a COMPLETE GAME! It had a beginning, a middle, an end, multiple levels, multiple boss fights, multiple enemies and it tied up its story in a satisfying way. Ground Zeroes isn't a complete game! It's the prologue to a much larger game. This means that not only is it short, but it also doesn't even end. It just kind of......stops. Imagine if Hideo ripped the first mission of MGS 3 out of the game (the mission where the boss first betrayed you) and called that its own game. Can anyone here honestly say they would be okay with that? This is the exact same thing! Ground Zeroes has no business being released as its own title.
DevilHunter1994 Ground Zeroes is supposed to be the prolouge to The Phantom Pain
nicholas hurtado BUT Joe did have a point that it is a a bit of a cash grab
nicholas hurtado Exactly! That's my point. That's why it should have been sold as a free demo and not as an individual game.
nicholas hurtado And Joe had a point that fans are used to long campaigns and it is kinda a spat in the face to get . . . this
lol... just thought of something... what if this prologue gets included in the $60 full version of the game. That would be like selling an Xbox One for $500 with Titanfall already included. oh wait...
It would actually be pretty cool, getting the prologue with the full game... Love the Xbox reference.
I hope that those of us who bought GZ could get the Phantom Pain for less or at least qualify for special DLC.
Kevin Kim agree with you i sure as hell not paying 60 better bring it down to 30 lol or 40
Its called a bundle MS all was gave good bundles.
wait, didn't that also happen with MGS 2? I remember I bought Sons of Liberty and did play the part which was supposed to be MGS Substance...
40 seconds in and this guy absolutely hits the nail on the head THANK YOU
looking back here with the release of mgsurvive, i really think this is konami's fault, not kojima's.
Did you like death stranding? I didn't. I think part of TPP disaster story's fault is Kojima's too
@@eliteclasswarrior94 Kojima thinks of too many movies while trying to make games
This review is 5 times longer than MGS Ground Zeroes
HAHAHAHAHA
Haha
I got the Mafia II demo for free on Steam. How much playtime? More than this.
10/10 gaming industry is better than ever - ign
that's a nice demo (even though I got the game for "free" and completed it)
Mafia II is a fucking awesome game, but the end hit right on my face...
El Manco Gaming yeah where's my mafia 3
TehObLiVioUs Where is my Mafia 2 open world?
***** Really?
MGS fanboys defending this game should be ashamed of themselves.
As a Die hard MGS fan this makes me sick and will only buy this when i see it in my local gamestore bargain bin.
Amen brother .im a recent MGS fanboy ,i played through all the games starting from MGS1 ,MGSV ,2,3,4 and peace Walker in that order i I got my copy of ground zeroes a few months ago for 5€ used and in pristine condition . I wont say that isnt fun . It is , and if you are a completionist , then it has quite a bit of content to entertain the player with . But it wasnt worth the 30$ price at launch , no way in hell. Screw Konami for rushing the development of MGS5/V it had the potential to be so much more than what we got. Not buying anything from that scummy company ever again.
I thought these were called demos
Arkham Ani 30$
What's funny is that Square Enix did the same with Bravely Default, they created a prologue that allowed players to experience the game before release while also seeing what happens beforehand, but here's the thing, it was completely free. I got about 5 hours out of the demo and that's when I knew I had to have the game. Kojima take not, this is how to do prologue demos.
Also if you haven't played Bravely Default go get it now. It's possibly the best Final Fantasy game since the 3D age started and if you don't have a 3DS go and get one and buy the game with it.
Amen, brother.
God damn it fanboys in the comments, stop being so predictable !!!
Don't underestimate them... They can be unpredictable in a snap!
Lol
Got the game for free on PS Plus. Still feel cheated 😂
Dude. I feel the same. Took like a day to download. Beat it in 40 minutes. I was shocked.
Dalton Uber Oscar Reece I downloaded it in 30 minutes, finished the primary mission in 50 minutes (S rank, first try), Beat all side missions (including Body Snatchers and Dejavu) in about 6 hours together with all S ranks first try.
It was free and it was amazing, so happy I decided to hold back for it
Hahaha xD
How'd you unlock the extra missions?
Dalton Uber do the main mission and I think it unlocks the next. If I remember correctly, to unlock one of the bonus missions you have to find all the patches throughout the ground zeroes mission through one playthrough
This should have been free like PT
You know what's hilarious... This review takes longer to watch than it can take to beat the WHOLE FRIGGIN GAME.
New Super Luigi U was a better deal for $30 via retail.
I'd love to see someone play the game with this in the background
I'm a fan of MGS since 1999, but $40 for a < 30min interactive trailer is a blatant highway robbery.
Door-to-Door Hentai Salesman lmfao, true, it was kinda a turn off for me personally, but I still continued to play it and enjoyed it thoroughly despite the poor business practices behind this game!
and yet think of how many dumbasses payed 100s of dollars for whole consoles just to play Silent Hills PT a demo for a game that never got made -_-
This review is longer than the game...
I still feel robbed, paid 30$ for it
@@hexa7730 And the Definitive Edition STILL didn't include mission 51!!! What the actual fuck, Konami?!
The moment you realize that the review is longer than the game...
Your avatar fits so fantastically with your comment.
in their defense. They did advertise it as an intro into the game play. They said long before it came out it was short. And it was $30 if remember correctly. So its not false advertising. People do have an opportunity to make an informed decision. But I agree. it should have been a free demo.
Konami should offer people a mad discount on the full release of the game for the people who bought the demo.
Man i love AJ's theatrics. hilarious
***** yeah I can't wait either. But I did agree with him that it should have been a free demo.
***** A good amount of people got a lot of value out of it. $15 would have been more reasonable certainly.
30 dollars could get skyrim, minecraft or new Vegas expanded edition(or whatever it is called) and each one has hundreds of hours of gameplay, and then there is mods as well
I don't understand- what part in this review you disagreed with Joe? The false advertising part? So that's 'theatrics'? He's acting because he's not saying the truth? Maybe he doesn't know about that very well. Acting =/= Being stupid.
And about them saying that this game will be short long before it came out- that doesn't excuse it. Joe said "If I told you I was going to break into your house and steal stuff before I even robbed you would that make it ok? NO!". Yeah... that explains that.
He also talked about the 30$ thing, saying that it's still not a great price for a fucking demo.
It's just before release DLC, with 49.99 dlc with only 40 minutes of fresh gameplay for games like COD and Battlefield I don't see why people complain so much when they cash out for that DLC with no problem. Kojima could have saved Ground Zero as DLC after release of PP and no one would bitch, they would eat it up, but instead he gave us the game early so stop complaining and open your mind alittle to see this is no different then DLC you already pay for, you just got it early
When I saw the title of the video I just knew this would be gold. Video plays, first frame is Joe double facepalming. I'mma go get some popcorn.
The guy who uses "Four Hours" as his catch phrase XD.
It was quite obvious that he'd freak out at "Less Than 3 Hours".
better than metal gear survive haha
Oof
Knowing how the market works I'll wait for the "definitive goty uber mega special edition" wich will eventually come out and will include GZ and TPP.
At this point, i think the price has dropped enough to warrant a buy.
I got it for half price on Steam so I'm happy
I got it for $5! So worth it! lol
Tomnickles
Indeed it is.
mariochaosspear $5 is not worth it... $1 maybe
If you have a ps4 with a PS plus sub its free rn. Definitely worth the download
So, this game can be completed in less time than a Sonic 1 speed run? That's definitely setting the bar right there for next gen.
Are you planning to squeeze out any more YTP's into the TH-cam U-bend anytime in the near future, Mr Beans?
What is this, the TH-cam Pooper corner?
***** I'll be squeezing out one more, I'll be pretty much done with YTP after that.
lol
***** No, we enjoy endorsing people who produce good products.
This was the warning sign of what was to come from Konami...
so there are some comments saying that, joe, being the new MGS player that he is, does not have rights to comment on the game. and does not agree with his review on this. which in fact he said the game itself was good and great. so basically you're all saying that this game is not good. well done... (proves that 90% of the defending MGS fans didn't even bother to watch the whole review)
i mean...come on guys, what can't u understand? the game is good he's not saying that the game is bad because of the gameplay it's just bad because of how expensive it is for the amount of gameplay we get...
sure side missions add 2, 3 or maybe even 5 hours but really those are side missions, every game has side missions... which if you count those game's asking price compared to this AT RELEASE, makes this game even more cash grab than before for example GTA V $60 with 40 hours of main story and look at many side missions it has..... or better yet... skyrim....look at how many side missions it has....
He doesn't even played PW.. He's right about the price for a demo, wrong in everything else.
"wrong in everything else"
so you're saying this game in particular is bad.... the graphics are bad.. and the AI is bad.... in fact everything about the gameplay is bad?
because joe said it was good and fantastic
Andrew Timothy Sorry, it was "everything else he doesn't like". Use your logic amigo, I have Big Boss as avatar..
i'm sure your "big boss" would be more specific with his sentence
aaanyway... welp as long as you agree the price is wrong then i salute you
Andrew Timothy Only things I remember well about BB is "hm?" and "Kept you waiting, huh?". GREAT sentences lol.
"Less content in games" completely defines Microsoft exclusives including Titanfail.
When the review is longer than the game, you know you're fucked.
Except it's not longer than the game. The game is longer than 24 minutes.
***** people have beaten it in UNDER 10 MINUTES.
KRIMZONMEKANISM Because speed runs define a game's length. Skyrim is an hour long then.
KRIMZONMEKANISM well sum1 broke the record by beating the game for 4 hours only
KRIMZONMEKANISM 1 Guy Did It In Under 6 Minutes
From what I've heard, Konami wasn't making any money around this time, and they needed to put out something to keep the lights on, hence Ground Zeroes costing $30. Kojima was against it, but they didn't care.
Why they should care what fucking Kojima thinks? He wasted a lot of Konami's money for five years + and the game was still incomplete. He is just another employee, not an excecutive so Konami did the best thing.
@@RandalfElVikingo they should care for the same reason they're milking mgsv even to this day. He was their golden goose and without metal gear what do they have? they've fucked up every IP they've released recently except games kojima developed. "just another employee:" is a stupid fucking generalization. konami has made nothing but shitty decision after shitty decision.
@@RandalfElVikingo please think before you spew dumb shit.
@@RandalfElVikingo the game was incomplete because Konami rushed kojima, art takes time to make you know
@@whitbaez1755 remember that konami has now grown to way more than just a game publisher and developer, and at that time they just saw the game/s kojima makes as a risky and long-term investment, and they didnt want that, they have easier money like microtransaction littered mobile games, pachinko machines and much much more businesses that gives them revenue way faster and much less risky than kojimas games
Top 10 Gaming Controversies of 2014. Calling it now.
I was incredibly disappointed to hear that it was originally supposed to be a part of The Phantom Pain just like the MGS2 Tanker Chapter and MGS3 Virtuous Mission. I always figured Kojima was above this kind of exploitation since his games are usually always lengthy and extremely high quality. I want to believe that he wouldn't do this himself and Konami just had him by the balls but I don't know man. I'm going hold out on this game as long as I can which isn't going to be easy as a huge Metal Gear Solid fan.
Not really surprised japan are masters at exploitation like no one else. You should of read his ideas on making people pay every time they die in a game.
do you think so? if kojima didnt want this he could have influenced it or say fuck it, as konami would not wanna loose him, so im sure he accepted this or it was even his idea or a percentage. dont be ridiculous and think people are nice in business lol! where are the thinking brains, and not naive consuming brains. people get more brainless and unintelligent like the old scifi books already told us.
musicotaku666
No I don't think so, It's just what I am hoping is true because if it isn't then I have lost a lot of respect for Kojima as a creator.
I am also not a "naive consumer" because I am not buying the game. Perhaps you should improve your reading comprehension before you go needlessly insulting other people's intelligence.
Look at all the fanboys trying to defend this unacceptable ripoff of a game...
You don't charge 30 dollars for a demo with less than 4 hours of content. It doesn't matter how good it is, it's still a terrible value.
That's why I purchased this game when it was $15 on Xbox One hah. I am not a fanboy either, I happen to have played MGS for the first time when I got it. I still think $15 may be too much but it was good.
Glad someone wasn't smelling their own farts and watched the actual video
You do realize that there's such a thing as not being able to get the first four games, right? With a little time on the internet, you can quickly learn all the basics. I jumped into the Elder Scrolls at #4, and I have no problems with the lore. You don't have to play all previous metal gear games from the NES to the spinoffs to understand what's going on.
Sam Geuvenen at least give a good comparison. there is nothing from morrowind that you are required to know in oblivion. you can play any zelda game in any order. mgs is a story driven franchise and requires you to know the story. also if joe wants to only play as big boss he only needs to play 2 mgs games. mgs 3 and mgs peace walker
Ok, let's try another example. Why not look at... Metal Gear? I got in with MGS1 and I understood what was happening without playing the NES games. My best friend started on Sons of Liberty, and another started with Peace Walker, and they're just fine. The only Metal Gear game you can't play without playing the previous ones is Guns of the Patriots, but that's due to all the bits of old metal gears in it.
Can't argue with that.
I ended up getting it for $5 to see if I liked it enough to get Phantom Pain and I LOVED it. Now I've been working my way through the entire series and I'm LOVING it. The price tag had to be Konami's doing. I could see $15-20 at launch, but $40 or even $30 is ludacrous. They definitely should have been more forthcoming about exactly what you were getting. Even a few months ago, I heard the game was short, but I was still shocked that it was over so quick.
It's like every game in the series may be flawed in some way, but they are all flawed masterpieces.
I couldn't have been the only one who expected this to be just a thirty minute loop of him saying FOOOURR HOOOURRRSSS???!!!
30€ for a demo? What's next, 10€ for a trailer? Fucking bullshit.
Yo nigga you are everywhere for DCD2 from here :D
Don't give them any ideas now!
Biggest MGS fanboy, been playing since the PS1, and I totally agree with you man. I was expecting something short, but this was ridiculous. If I hadn't paid for half of it was Gamestop rewards, I'd be livid.
I haven't played any MGS games but the trailer for this one got met so hyped, it looked amazing. Sucks when shit is a dissapointment like this.
Watching this in 2021. Just bought MGSV and it was bundle up with the Phantom Pain and still feel cheap addition. Only adding context to the main storyline.
your review was longer than the game
Joe. please.. Give us a Dark Souls 2 review when it gets released for the PC. I beg you pleaaase. I want your opinion on this. It would be so friggin' cool to know what you think of it. Especially since the "Souls" series is so tough to complete. xD
Souls series are my favourite games :3
it's awesome. Best of both Dark and Demon souls combined into one gigantic package.
And Smelter demon...fuck that guy.
Just for the ps3 so far. Joe doesn't own a ps3. Only a ps4. So pc version will be the only option for him. And I don't want to be spoiled by pewds let's play. I want a real tough review done by joe. :P
Konami abuse the Metal Gear franchise? Say it ain't so!
who else got it for free last year on Playstation plus :)?
Asael Romo I ended picking it up for $10 used, I refused to pay a single penny more for the game, especially since it took me 49 minutes to beat the main portion.
I had the opportunity to download it
it should be free without the plus
so this review is longer than the experienced players' playthroughs :D
Was waiting for Joe to say "4 HOURS!!"
I am not disappointed.
He can't cause it's even shorter
Pretty sad when a review of the game is longer than the game itself.
Pretty sad when you keep telling joke that has been told 100 times already
aakeaake
Pretty sad that you assume that I've read through all of the comments to see that.
HardModeGaming Pretty sad that you didn't read at least one message before saying something as it has been told 100 times
aakeaake
Why does it even matter? Chill out.
HardModeGaming Lol you're the one who got mad at me when I corrected you for riding with jokes of others :) Why don't you make up a joke of your own?
I got this along with the Phantom Pain in the definitive experience pack for less than $40. Konami knew they screwed up big time with this.
My mom thought this was the full game I did too she got it for me because I was waiting for my Watch Dogs preorder. Thank god I returned it for Infamous: Second Son
Pre ordering games is aids
Your mom is awesome
Joe, I am a big MSG fan and have been for decades, but man, I agree entirely. This game's value is BULLSHIT!
I'm a huge fan of the Metal Gear franchise (even since the MSX era) and as a hardcrore fan tell you that this "game" is just an expensive demo. Phantom Pain will be awesome. But this demo isn't worth the current price.
God I love rewatching these. Crazy how Angry Joe's reviews have such a high value of entertainment even after the games have already been played, replayed and forgotten at this point lol
This review was longer than the game ;)
Review was longer than the game.
Who cares that its overpriced? If its good people will buy it. Sick of idiots who prefer quantity over quality.
DEATHCERRI mika You're paying $40 for 1 hour (2 at most incl side missions) of game time.
You're a moron for thinking that is defendable.
DEATHCERRI mika Quantity has a part in quality.
DEATHCERRI mika
Shouldn't we expect both quality and quantity?
DEATHCERRI mika
No one does that! Why would they?
If the game was a reasonable price, then there would not be this anger towards it, but it is not!
Thank you Joe for calling it out.
Well deserved.
I still remember when my friend bought this game thinking it was the phantom pain so as you can imagine he wasn't happy when he found out it was pretty much just a demo
Same thing happened to me, I was pissed. Still loved Ground Zeroes though.
happened to me too but i was more pissed at the fact that i didnt get my cool bionic arm
this review is longer than the game
Great review, as always!
WASSUP SPACEHAMTARO!
im tickled that "less then *slowmo* 4 hours" has become sort of a catchphrase at the moment XD
I’m a die hard metal gear fan but there’s no excuse for ground zeros price