“You should have been raised in a home with a family who loved you. Not in a cold lab with doctors.” That, right there, is the difference between Homelander and Superman.
@@SonicMegaKing This was disproven by Red Son. Superman, despite having no parents, did have humanity. Superman has humanity, and it doesn’t come from his parents, but from who he came from. Though it’s pretty inconsistent and often times it usually depends on what the writer wants to tell.
This is why the Kents were so important for Superman's character. Homelander is what would happen if Kal El was taken in by the government instead of two loving adoptive parents.
Clark would never have become what he is now without them, they are the best possible parents who tried to educate and protect him as best as possible, but also learn to use his abilities to good effect.
Every line of rejection and disappointment from the authority figures in his life are pushing him deeper into absolute insanity. This is a villain born of rejection and no love. He can't get the one thing he so desperately craves.
He refuses to change. People are disappointed in him because he is a hateful and violent person. He was a victim but as an adult he has the responsibility to change.
@@AB-zl4nh Even kids who were celebrities get screwed up lives because of the power and recognition. It messes with your head. Homelander was given godlike power since he was a baby. No way in hell can he turn out normal or empathetic. The thing is, if any of us are in his place, we wouldn't turn out very different.
One line spoken by the doc here is wrong and is most likely just an attempt from the writers to virtue signal for women. He mentions kids growing up violent and hateful without mothers, yet in reality kids raised in single mother homes, overwhelmingly seen in ghetto areas for instance - are the ones who become that. I don't think characters are as stupid as the lines they were given, it's just 2023.
@@kartikaymisra8133why wouldnt he? He was isolated from society by those same humans that robbed him of any love or care by experimenting on him since birth. It doesn’t justify any of his actions but he is a consequence of human ignorance.
0:40 is one of my favorite moments from the show. You can see homelander agrees and is near crying but it’s impossible for him to give this credit or forgiveness to the guy who did this to him. What an amazing show
I think it's also become his coping mechanism from his extensive media training and exposure. Using humor or blind positivity to cover up moments of pain. Homelander knows he didn't turn out great, and how deep his problems run. But he feels powerless to better himself. Best he can do now is try to make Ryan better.
Every child deserves a healthy and better upbringing. Sometimes its easy to forget that Homelander was once just a frightened child kept in a lab and surrounded by people who viewed him as a product, a thing, an experiment instead of anyone who actually cared.
I mean Homelander could have become a good person. With an actual family and the experience of love and acceptance. Vogelbaum is right, the reason Homelander is so evil is his fault.
@@manuelernesto7713I think he was far more emotionally invested into (and perhaps still secretly proud of) the creation of Homelander, his surrogate son, even if he can see now what a horror he helped raise in an artificial environment (while Edgar is a more detached oligarch who saw a useful tool and pet slowly turn feral on him).
That's most scientists, to quote Ian Malcolm from Jurassic Park "scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."
@@pelu101 It's further stated again in Jurassic World. "And you feed it with that?" "Animals raised in isolation aren't always the most functional." "Your raptors are born in captivity..." "With siblings. They learn social skills. And I imprint on them when they're born. There's trust. The only positive relationship this animal has is with that crane. At least she knows that means food."
Wonder if the contrast between Barbara and Vogelbaum’s perspective of the way they raised Homelander was deliberate. Vogelbaum says they made a mistake raising him in the lab and Barbara views it as one of their greatest successes because it made him “obedient”.
I think it's to show how both truly see homelander. Vogelbaum viewed him as a sweet child. Barbara was afraid of him. As he grew, Barbara viewed his masking as a success. Meanwhile Vogelbaum viewed it as a failure because he knows what homelander became underneath. One who was initially afraid and then became arrogant. One who was arrogant and then became afraid.
I like how when he says he's the world's greatest superhero (1:45), he doesn't even believe it himself. Just repeating what he's supposed to believe to make himself feel not as bad
@@tobyduarte9849 I can just imagine Homelander adapting Legion ideas and aesthetics. Maybe he'll nail Butcher to the cross while making Starlight and Hughie into slaves.
This is a very powerful and meaningful scene. No matter how old we get, our childhoods will always follow us. It takes a huge part in who we are. Damn it, Homelander is such a well written character!
I wish Vogelbaum wasn’t killed off in S3, I would’ve loved to see Homelander confront Vogelbaum about his childhood. Here in this season, Homelander is denying how it affects him but in S4 he acknowledges that pain completely
This is one of my favorite parts of the show. Antony is so good at being this character and being convincing. He is the top notch quality person to be Homelander. Every single scene he is in he is outshining all the other actors and actresses of the show. He is the real deal. And like James Gandolfini for Tony Soprano, he was born for the role of Homelander.
I think Homelander was the one who paralyzed Vogelbaum for lying about Becca and Ryan. I think the reason he let him live but murdered Stillwell was because he still saw Vogelbaum as his father despite hating him and with good reason.
@@heresfrankbetches921 “I didn’t pay attention” how did I not pay attention? It seems people are forcing this dynamic between the 2 that doesn’t exist. Edgar has shown nothing but contempt towards Homelander and I doubt Homelander is all that fond of Edgar considering how much he bruises his ego.
@@saulgoodmanskin Edgar is definitely a father figure for Homelander : - Homelander has crippling daddy (and mommy) issues. Be it because they have confluctual interactions with their respective biological dads, because they are orphans or because their fathers died recently, people will project those issues on any man who "catches their fancy". Edgar is one of those men for he is (was) Homelander's boss, a ruthless figure he begrudgingly respected. - Daddy issues are not about liking or not someone, it's about receiving their approval. Homelander wants (wanted) Edgar's approval, as noted by the man himself ("Then why are you still here, looking for my approval like I'm your daddy"). - Homelander didn't kill Edgar or even injure him, even after all the insults he received from him. He killed people for far less than that. But here ? He's taking it because, yes, he indeed wanted any kind of approval from Edgar, even a tiny "You got me bitch". So, no, I don't think people are forcing this dynamic. It was spelled out by the series itself.
@@tagrerte4701 a father figure is someone who is, ya know, *like an actual father to you.* This is why I think people are projecting this dynamic onto them. Yes, Homelander has parental issues, but, Homelander is also insanely insecure and wants to be validated by everyone, especially someone who he respects and deems as very important. That doesn’t automatically mean Edgar is *like a father to him,* that’s completely nonsensical.
Interesting to see how he spared Vogelbaum (left him with paralysis) but massacred the other doctors. His eyes got teary when Vogelbaum apologized but was only sadistic to the others when they tried doing the same.
He feels genuine guilt. He sees and understands Homelander's pain and suffering, even if belatedly. And he admits his mistakes and doesn't hide from the truth, no matter how harsh.
He can see/hear people's heartbeat, so he know which apology is made out of sincerity or fear. Vogelbaum's apology were sincere, he did regret putting John under cold lab rather than raise him as his own son, hence "my greatest failure". Those scientists on the other hand, Frank only apologise after John threatened him and his family, and Marty also apologize after seeing John killed Frank.
"And yet I turned out great" Love the double meanings-he's basically throwing it in Vogelbaums face "yes, you should have had me raised with a family who loved me, but you didnt-so here we are. And it's all your fault"
Frankenstein and his Creation. He thought he was giving the world a super hero but instead he created a monster and he realizes this. He gave John the powers, but he never taught him what it means to be a hero
All this talk about how he should’ve received more compassion and nurturing growing up, only to then tell homelander he’s his worst failure and sour his quasi-father relationship even more.
This is such a brilliantly written and acted scene. Rewatching this waiting for the Gen V finale, and this stands out as one of their best scenes. You see the deep down trauma and breaks in the crack that made him who he is. The worst people here and the Supe’s weakness is humanity.
He equates Homelanders creation too Dog Breeding. Which is just a perfect example how even now he sees Homelander as nothing more than a terrible product caused by his mistakes, not training him.....like you would a dog....
@@alonnie1919 he threatend to kill all his family, it wasn't just a look. And Homelander didn't want anything from him at that point. It was done only to hurt his "father"
This scene is what makes Homelander such a compelling villain. It feels so real. His backstory. It all adds up, and it makes perfect sense how he became the monster that he is. I dont think Homelander is truly evil. I think deep down, Homelander doesn't truly want to hurt other people. He only wants to protect himself and his fragile sense of identity. From a young age, everyone and everything rejected him, tortured him, and used and abused him for years on end. Despite the plain suffering and anguish, he was in all the "humans" (as he likes to put it) looked at him with mild pity and indifference. If this is how you raise a child then that child is going to have no choice but become a monster to protect himself. Despite all of this, people claim it isnt an excuse to do the things he does. But honestly, im not so sure about that. Perhaps not a justification per se but its as close to an excuse as you can get really. The most terrifying thing about his character and him as a person is one day hell realize this, and instead of wanting approval from them, Homelander will instead realize its them that should be begging for his. This will essentially be judgement day, and it's not so far off a possibility that this will be how humanity ends... Homelander is the most terrfying villian of all time
Homelander never got to be a hero. Just a lab rat, tortured 24/7 for years in constant pain locked in a basement alone with his hate. If he got to play soccer, or have a sleepover, hell even toss a football with a father figure, he would know that there are things on earth worth saving. If he got that warmth, the awe on kids faces when they saw him fly, the love he so desperately needed, I have no doubt that he would be the world’s greatest hero. He needed a Martha and Johnathan.
When I first saw this scene I was super interested in the German retrievers. There obviously german shepherds but he must of bred them with a retriever most likely a black retriever and bred out the looks of the retriever to keep it looking like a german shepherd
I feel like this whole scene is proof that Homelander has or had some aspect of humanity in him. He showed emotion and it looked as if he was going to cry but fought it. Psychopaths show no emotion iirc
just before the scene closed out I thought Homelander said wow but different to how he said it to Maeve but it was just the sound effect of the scene closing out but if it it wasn't that would have been awesome and added to Homelander's character
S4 E4 and this scene pretty much confirms that John is not evil because he just is. He is broken because of his terrible and horrifying childhood without real family with love.
He should have said "Don't let our ugliness and evil reflect on the rest of humanity". "Do what you want with me, but don't become like us" "Im sorry, im sorry John"
Honestly, if they keep treating him as an experiment gone wrong, I can understand why Homelander is so problematic. That is, not only did they raise him as a lab rat, but then they even have the nerve to mistreat and insult him. As if he had become this way through his own fault and not also through their fault.
If I had a nickle for each time a character played by John Doman brought about a cruel threat to the country guised as a savior, I'd have two nickles. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Ironically homelander had he been raised by annies mother and in that environment, homelander wouldn’t have just been the success that vought wanted but the absolute greatest superhero cuz he would have had some actual morals and humanity in him
nah, theres people who grow up in messed up enviroments and turn out to be good people. the world shows you good and bad, and you end up making your choice. its still all on homelander. he can change if he so wishes.
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The little details of this show - I think Vogelbaum and Maeve are the only people that call HL John without him correcting them. Which is obvious, they were the closest to HL, one HL loved in his own weird twisted way, and one started out as a Father to him until he turned cold to HL
Old man calling him by his actual name hit a nerve to so bad he had to REMIND him 'i'm the worlds greatest superhero' which, since the dude playing homelander is SO good. YOu can see by the look on his face, he knows deep down, he's wrong.
“You should have been raised in a home with a family who loved you. Not in a cold lab with doctors.”
That, right there, is the difference between Homelander and Superman.
Not true.
Yeah, actually, it is. The fact is Superman had a good upbringing and that made him a good person who wouldn't abuse his power.
@@shevthegreb757Clark Kent would be the first one to tell you he wouldn’t be Superman without Jonathan and Martha Kent.
@@tylerbushong3452 brother he isn’t real
@@SonicMegaKing This was disproven by Red Son. Superman, despite having no parents, did have humanity. Superman has humanity, and it doesn’t come from his parents, but from who he came from. Though it’s pretty inconsistent and often times it usually depends on what the writer wants to tell.
Vogelbaum calling him John is the equivalent of dumbledore calling voldemort Tom
Ain’t that the truth.
Or Han Solo calling Kylo “Ben”
Except the fact that Voglebaum is a Evil narc who needs punishment
You didn't capitalize the 1st D in Dumbledore's name
Wait wait, so who's Harry Potter in the Boys?
Vaugelbaum's apology was the most sincere one because he wasn't scared nor threatened. He meant it.
It was all regret
It wasn't an apology it was the truth.
This is why the Kents were so important for Superman's character.
Homelander is what would happen if Kal El was taken in by the government instead of two loving adoptive parents.
It's happened before in the flashpoint paradox, the Kents had a popped tire, so they couldn't pick him up
@@teepstheartist1506 yet in the flashpoint version, he was still a kind, albeit socially undeveloped person
Clark would never have become what he is now without them, they are the best possible parents who tried to educate and protect him as best as possible, but also learn to use his abilities to good effect.
@@jugeas2786 In flashpoint paradox, Kent was detained by the government and the kent couple never found him. Yet, in the end he still kind.
@@signumxmagnumI love when he said Friend 2 Cyborg
0:44 Homelander’s face right there is heartbreaking. He knows deep down inside that what he’s telling him is true
His acting is amazing. Holding back tears and acting strong, I know I can relate to that.
@@kaynkayn9870 Every single man on the planet can.
He has the capacity to change though. Everyone can. Still, everything Vogelbaum said is true but it's all his fault so he has no right
Doesnt matter how powerful you are. That words from your own father Will hurts you so much
Lol this aged well
Both of them too
3 different father figures, exact same insult
@@_pablo_dr_4546 of course , he's a disappointment
@@_pablo_dr_4546 3? It’s 2 father figures right?
Every line of rejection and disappointment from the authority figures in his life are pushing him deeper into absolute insanity. This is a villain born of rejection and no love. He can't get the one thing he so desperately craves.
The problem is Homelander views and treats humans as nothing it's hard to give someone like that love
He refuses to change. People are disappointed in him because he is a hateful and violent person. He was a victim but as an adult he has the responsibility to change.
@@AB-zl4nh Even kids who were celebrities get screwed up lives because of the power and recognition. It messes with your head.
Homelander was given godlike power since he was a baby. No way in hell can he turn out normal or empathetic.
The thing is, if any of us are in his place, we wouldn't turn out very different.
One line spoken by the doc here is wrong and is most likely just an attempt from the writers to virtue signal for women. He mentions kids growing up violent and hateful without mothers, yet in reality kids raised in single mother homes, overwhelmingly seen in ghetto areas for instance - are the ones who become that. I don't think characters are as stupid as the lines they were given, it's just 2023.
@@kartikaymisra8133why wouldnt he? He was isolated from society by those same humans that robbed him of any love or care by experimenting on him since birth. It doesn’t justify any of his actions but he is a consequence of human ignorance.
"You are my greatest failure', "You are fu*king disapointment", "You're just a cheap fu*king knock off"... I feel sorry for John
and "you are simply bad product"
The world deserves whats coming to it homelander is a s teir character best in the show by far
@Bill Kennedy he wouldn't be if he wasn't raised and treated that way
@@dukecarraway1762 Yeah, he needs to be put out of his misery.
Any of u defending him in these comments are psychos
0:40 is one of my favorite moments from the show. You can see homelander agrees and is near crying but it’s impossible for him to give this credit or forgiveness to the guy who did this to him. What an amazing show
I think it's also become his coping mechanism from his extensive media training and exposure. Using humor or blind positivity to cover up moments of pain.
Homelander knows he didn't turn out great, and how deep his problems run. But he feels powerless to better himself. Best he can do now is try to make Ryan better.
This hits differently after today's episode.
It really does
came back just to say this!
Will HL come after him after destroying the lab guys
@@tss6 vogelbaum died in season 2
@@kyrallie damn, i must have forget that, how did he?
When even Homelander deserved a better and healthier upbringing.
Every child deserves a healthy and better upbringing. Sometimes its easy to forget that Homelander was once just a frightened child kept in a lab and surrounded by people who viewed him as a product, a thing, an experiment instead of anyone who actually cared.
I mean Homelander could have become a good person. With an actual family and the experience of love and acceptance. Vogelbaum is right, the reason Homelander is so evil is his fault.
We really do create our own monsters don’t we?
Nah, that is the 21st century pussification of america speaking lmfao
His actions cannot be excused but he would have turned better if he was raised differently
It was Dr. Vogelbaum declaring Homelander as "bad product".
no he's saying hr failed homelander which he did
actually he admits Homelander to be a good product, just not what Vogelbound ultimately wanted.
@@manuelernesto7713I think he was far more emotionally invested into (and perhaps still secretly proud of) the creation of Homelander, his surrogate son, even if he can see now what a horror he helped raise in an artificial environment (while Edgar is a more detached oligarch who saw a useful tool and pet slowly turn feral on him).
He was smart enough to create Homelander but unwise enough to not think about how raising a godlike being without love would be dangerous
That's most scientists, to quote Ian Malcolm from Jurassic Park "scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."
I am neither smart nor wise. I'm cooked.
Wanted to be a smart fella, ended up a fart smella.
@@pelu101 It's further stated again in Jurassic World.
"And you feed it with that?"
"Animals raised in isolation aren't always the most functional."
"Your raptors are born in captivity..."
"With siblings. They learn social skills. And I imprint on them when they're born. There's trust. The only positive relationship this animal has is with that crane. At least she knows that means food."
Caesar has marked Homelander for death, and the Legion obeys
"I understood that reference"
PREATORIAN, TO ME
I forgot what movie he played caesar in
@@DarknessDrgame, he’s the main antagonist, named “Caesar”, in Fallout New Vegas.
Wonder if the contrast between Barbara and Vogelbaum’s perspective of the way they raised Homelander was deliberate. Vogelbaum says they made a mistake raising him in the lab and Barbara views it as one of their greatest successes because it made him “obedient”.
I think it's to show how both truly see homelander. Vogelbaum viewed him as a sweet child. Barbara was afraid of him.
As he grew, Barbara viewed his masking as a success. Meanwhile Vogelbaum viewed it as a failure because he knows what homelander became underneath.
One who was initially afraid and then became arrogant.
One who was arrogant and then became afraid.
@@hugomventura both are terrible but this is a good way of looking at it
hes so iconic, between this and caesar hes got an amazing voice
I knew i heard that voice from somewhere
Awe, true to... uh... Vogelbaum!
Caesar talking to the drug addled courier be like
He's also Captain Rawls in the Wire.
And Don Falcone in Gotham
That little break in Anthony’s voice is great acting
I like how glossy his eyes are, it’s like he’s on the brink of just breaking down.
Love that he is the only character that calls Homelander "John"
So did Maeve
@@alexanderward5286 Difference is that Maeve has superpowers where as Vogelbaum is just a human who's not afraid of death.
Not anymore with the most recent episode
@@malfaroangel3896Mann that was crazy 😭😭
@@malfaroangel3896 almost forgot his name was John before this episode lol
I like how when he says he's the world's greatest superhero (1:45), he doesn't even believe it himself. Just repeating what he's supposed to believe to make himself feel not as bad
[Speech 1/100] I'm the world's greatest superhero.
[FAILED] You're my greatest failure.
Caesar
I thought he sounded familiar @@taxult
It’s Hegelian dialectics
Caesar telling Homelander he's their greatest failure.
Homelander is lucky he wasn’t Joshua graha-
I mean the burned man.
I thought he sounded familiar! Thanks!
@@miles6120 Well, in this case, the lab doctor named Frank became the Burned Man.
@@tobyduarte9849 I can just imagine Homelander adapting Legion ideas and aesthetics. Maybe he'll nail Butcher to the cross while making Starlight and Hughie into slaves.
don falcone
This scene makes more sense after Season 4 Episode 4
This is a very powerful and meaningful scene. No matter how old we get, our childhoods will always follow us. It takes a huge part in who we are.
Damn it, Homelander is such a well written character!
I wish Vogelbaum wasn’t killed off in S3, I would’ve loved to see Homelander confront Vogelbaum about his childhood. Here in this season, Homelander is denying how it affects him but in S4 he acknowledges that pain completely
He was killed off in Season 2 🤓
This is one of my favorite parts of the show. Antony is so good at being this character and being convincing. He is the top notch quality person to be Homelander. Every single scene he is in he is outshining all the other actors and actresses of the show. He is the real deal. And like James Gandolfini for Tony Soprano, he was born for the role of Homelander.
I think Homelander was the one who paralyzed Vogelbaum for lying about Becca and Ryan. I think the reason he let him live but murdered Stillwell was because he still saw Vogelbaum as his father despite hating him and with good reason.
I never thought of that! I think you might be onto something.
No crap dude
Ya man, homelander even said “I squeezed the truth out of him” probably grabbed his spine thru his butt 😬
Spot on
man homelander been through a lot all his father figures told him he was a failure vogelbaum,edgar and soldier boy
How is Edgar a father figure to Homelander? They’ve literally only met a couple times.
@@saulgoodmanskin you didn't pay attention
@@heresfrankbetches921 “I didn’t pay attention” how did I not pay attention? It seems people are forcing this dynamic between the 2 that doesn’t exist.
Edgar has shown nothing but contempt towards Homelander and I doubt Homelander is all that fond of Edgar considering how much he bruises his ego.
@@saulgoodmanskin Edgar is definitely a father figure for Homelander :
- Homelander has crippling daddy (and mommy) issues. Be it because they have confluctual interactions with their respective biological dads, because they are orphans or because their fathers died recently, people will project those issues on any man who "catches their fancy". Edgar is one of those men for he is (was) Homelander's boss, a ruthless figure he begrudgingly respected.
- Daddy issues are not about liking or not someone, it's about receiving their approval. Homelander wants (wanted) Edgar's approval, as noted by the man himself ("Then why are you still here, looking for my approval like I'm your daddy").
- Homelander didn't kill Edgar or even injure him, even after all the insults he received from him. He killed people for far less than that. But here ? He's taking it because, yes, he indeed wanted any kind of approval from Edgar, even a tiny "You got me bitch".
So, no, I don't think people are forcing this dynamic. It was spelled out by the series itself.
@@tagrerte4701 a father figure is someone who is, ya know, *like an actual father to you.*
This is why I think people are projecting this dynamic onto them.
Yes, Homelander has parental issues, but, Homelander is also insanely insecure and wants to be validated by everyone, especially someone who he respects and deems as very important. That doesn’t automatically mean Edgar is *like a father to him,* that’s completely nonsensical.
"I'm just an old man thinking about his mistakes" I'm in my early thirties, I am way too young for this to be my reality and yet it is
I'm in my early twenties and it is mine too
Interesting to see how he spared Vogelbaum (left him with paralysis) but massacred the other doctors. His eyes got teary when Vogelbaum apologized but was only sadistic to the others when they tried doing the same.
tbh vogelbaum's apology here sounds sincere while the others are just because they are afraid for their lives
He feels genuine guilt. He sees and understands Homelander's pain and suffering, even if belatedly. And he admits his mistakes and doesn't hide from the truth, no matter how harsh.
He can see/hear people's heartbeat, so he know which apology is made out of sincerity or fear. Vogelbaum's apology were sincere, he did regret putting John under cold lab rather than raise him as his own son, hence "my greatest failure".
Those scientists on the other hand, Frank only apologise after John threatened him and his family, and Marty also apologize after seeing John killed Frank.
@@drmaulana26008
Wait a minute, didn't he kill Vogelbaum?
"When I raise subject without their mother they become violent, agressive , downright hateful"
"And yet I turned out great"
Love the double meanings-he's basically throwing it in Vogelbaums face "yes, you should have had me raised with a family who loved me, but you didnt-so here we are. And it's all your fault"
This is a very underrated scene, and really cements Homelander’s character.
Imagine saying someone; you will always be a failure and a bad product/person because of the things I did to you when you were a baby/child
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but my words got my legs broken
Don Quixote?
Frankenstein and his Creation. He thought he was giving the world a super hero but instead he created a monster and he realizes this. He gave John the powers, but he never taught him what it means to be a hero
It wasn’t just his fault. It was also the countless scientists fault for never acknowledging that John was a human and not a lab rat
All this talk about how he should’ve received more compassion and nurturing growing up, only to then tell homelander he’s his worst failure and sour his quasi-father relationship even more.
Let’s be honest. We’d all be just like Homelander if we were raised the same. Nobody would take the moral high ground
I would still expect no sympathy. If a dog's gone rabid the best you can do for it is to out it down.
perhaps not but he probably turned out worse than most would have
That's no true exactly. There are the exceptions, those that break the mold despite everything that's been done to them. But they're incredibly rare
Except for Obi-Wan
"let's be honest" one of TH-cam comments greatest cliches
This is such a brilliantly written and acted scene. Rewatching this waiting for the Gen V finale, and this stands out as one of their best scenes. You see the deep down trauma and breaks in the crack that made him who he is. The worst people here and the Supe’s weakness is humanity.
He equates Homelanders creation too Dog Breeding. Which is just a perfect example how even now he sees Homelander as nothing more than a terrible product caused by his mistakes, not training him.....like you would a dog....
god i love the writing in season 1
That's gotta hurt.
Caesar telling the Courier he's a failure (2281, Colourised)
True to Caesar.
Ave
Ncr and proud
Ave
Ave
@@Saladass-kc1hh
🤮
That line wasn't an insult aimed directly to Homelander.
It was Vogelbaum taking accountability for being a failure with Homelander's upbringing.
Caesar is just disappointed with Homelander because his squad has a negative clearance rate for the year.
So many references 😂
I genuinely think he is the most tragic character in the boys universe
If Homelander got pushed enough he would kill Edgar, Billy, Maeve or anyone else.
I don’t think Homelander would touch this guy
He literally putted him in a wheelchair
@@samueleandriolo4517 Yet Butcher got everything to him with just a look and words. No super powers, nothing
@@alonnie1919 he threatend to kill all his family, it wasn't just a look. And Homelander didn't want anything from him at that point. It was done only to hurt his "father"
He literally crippled him 💀
@@brandonm5130 when did he cripple him?
This scene is what makes Homelander such a compelling villain. It feels so real. His backstory. It all adds up, and it makes perfect sense how he became the monster that he is.
I dont think Homelander is truly evil. I think deep down, Homelander doesn't truly want to hurt other people. He only wants to protect himself and his fragile sense of identity. From a young age, everyone and everything rejected him, tortured him, and used and abused him for years on end. Despite the plain suffering and anguish, he was in all the "humans" (as he likes to put it) looked at him with mild pity and indifference. If this is how you raise a child then that child is going to have no choice but become a monster to protect himself. Despite all of this, people claim it isnt an excuse to do the things he does. But honestly, im not so sure about that. Perhaps not a justification per se but its as close to an excuse as you can get really. The most terrifying thing about his character and him as a person is one day hell realize this, and instead of wanting approval from them, Homelander will instead realize its them that should be begging for his. This will essentially be judgement day, and it's not so far off a possibility that this will be how humanity ends...
Homelander is the most terrfying villian of all time
Homelander never got to be a hero. Just a lab rat, tortured 24/7 for years in constant pain locked in a basement alone with his hate. If he got to play soccer, or have a sleepover, hell even toss a football with a father figure, he would know that there are things on earth worth saving. If he got that warmth, the awe on kids faces when they saw him fly, the love he so desperately needed, I have no doubt that he would be the world’s greatest hero. He needed a Martha and Johnathan.
Caesar destroying Homelander like he destroyed a low charisma and intelligence Courier
When I first saw this scene I was super interested in the German retrievers. There obviously german shepherds but he must of bred them with a retriever most likely a black retriever and bred out the looks of the retriever to keep it looking like a german shepherd
This scene makes me feel so bad for homelander / John. He must be so sad and miserable inside.
You want forgiveness?? Get religion.
Shut up
This seems like a quote
To which Vogelbaum immediately responded with "Gonna cry?" :))
@@gugisgug Spider-Man
Wrong universe
This is the most human we've ever seen Homelander.
All I hear is Caesar
Same, I guess what you first associate a voice with is what you'll always associate a voice with.
Even The boys knows if Homelander was raised as superman he wouldn’t be like that.
“You’re my greatest failure…”
*and then he gets lasered by homelander*
I feel like this whole scene is proof that Homelander has or had some aspect of humanity in him. He showed emotion and it looked as if he was going to cry but fought it. Psychopaths show no emotion iirc
He isnt a psychopath.
A sociopath.
just before the scene closed out I thought Homelander said wow but different to how he said it to Maeve but it was just the sound effect of the scene closing out but if it it wasn't that would have been awesome and added to Homelander's character
Went From Don Falcone to Dr Vogelbaum
1:16 I think if Vogelbaum just hugged Homelander here. The whole show wouldve changed.
"it's called Hegelian dialectics, homelander"
Caesar talking to the courier who uses tgm and tcl through every combat encounter
i just realized he's Caesar
S4 E4 and this scene pretty much confirms that John is not evil because he just is. He is broken because of his terrible and horrifying childhood without real family with love.
Nice to know Caesar ended up giving up on the legion and embraced science
Edward Sallow but he goes to east coast instead
The best scene in the show
He should have said "Don't let our ugliness and evil reflect on the rest of humanity".
"Do what you want with me, but don't become like us"
"Im sorry, im sorry John"
All that regret Vogelbaum shows is too little too late, especially after episode 4
Even after all this time Caesor still has his dogs.
Respect for telling it how it is.
That's exactly what Soldier Boy said to my in the same way saying Homelanded is a disappointment
While I understand that vogelbaum sees the homelander as his dark past and his mistakes regardless, he should not say that in front of him.
He is the best daddy.
The truth hurts
you want forgiveness? now?
Get religion
@@qeriendocambiar I wouldn't wanna fight me either!
@@rivertwygzbed543 i missed the part where thats my problem
@@qeriendocambiar okay really?
@@esbenorionpax8544 you should have thought of that earlier
Homelander: I'm the world's greatest superhero.
Vogelbaum: You're my greatest failure.
Oh, you watched the clip too?
Homelander: So you’ve chosen amputation.
"i'm the worlds greatest superhero"
Caesar if he embraced technology instead of tribalism
Honestly, if they keep treating him as an experiment gone wrong, I can understand why Homelander is so problematic. That is, not only did they raise him as a lab rat, but then they even have the nerve to mistreat and insult him. As if he had become this way through his own fault and not also through their fault.
0:44 look at his eyes ... His eyes are telling whetever vogelbaum is saying is true
Broken child…
Broken soul…
We love you,John…❤
i feel so bad for homelander, almost cry
"I destroyed your childhood because it was inevitable it be destroyed. It was hegelian dialectics... not personal animosity"
If I had a nickle for each time a character played by John Doman brought about a cruel threat to the country guised as a savior, I'd have two nickles. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Why would Pope Alexander VI do this
Just now finding out this is the VO for Caesar from New Vegas. CRAZY!!
It’s Rawls from the Wire. Maybe the most underrated character on television and it’s cuz of the Actor, superb performance
I guess homelander been taking it hard ever since he got ejected from the legion in the wasteland
Homelander is Joshua Graham (confirmed)
This scene emits “I am what you made me”
Ironically homelander had he been raised by annies mother and in that environment, homelander wouldn’t have just been the success that vought wanted but the absolute greatest superhero cuz he would have had some actual morals and humanity in him
nah, theres people who grow up in messed up enviroments and turn out to be good people. the world shows you good and bad, and you end up making your choice. its still all on homelander. he can change if he so wishes.
He was never shown good
I recognise that actor (John Doman) from Gotham as Falcone
And Caesar from Fallout New Vegas
@@crazyaf12 What Fallout New Vegas? I never heard of that video game.
And Rawls from The Wire
@@batoptimus fallout new vegas is a fallout game set in Las Vegas Where you're a courier who woke up from getting shot in the head and your trying to find the guy who shot you and before you got shot you were delivering something called a platinum chip which your also looking for there are factions such as the NCR, Caesar's legion and whatever Mr house's faction was called. It's a pretty good game when you get the chance to play It
@@BoredGamerGuy115 don’t give spoilers alright. I don’t play sort of games I don’t played
The little details of this show - I think Vogelbaum and Maeve are the only people that call HL John without him correcting them. Which is obvious, they were the closest to HL, one HL loved in his own weird twisted way, and one started out as a Father to him until he turned cold to HL
Bill Rawls wants his stats Homelander
Caesar brutally spits on Homelander.
“It’s just Hegelian dialectics, Homelander.”
Old man calling him by his actual name hit a nerve to so bad he had to REMIND him 'i'm the worlds greatest superhero' which, since the dude playing homelander is SO good. YOu can see by the look on his face, he knows deep down, he's wrong.
Ave true to Vogelbaum
William Rawls has to deal with a bigger and more psychotic jimmy mcnulty 😂
Ave, true to Caesar.
I can’t hear Vogelbaum talk without hearing the Caesar’s Legion theme playing.
Caesar after getting his brain cancer cured