Billy Gives Vogelbaum an Ultimatum | The Boys (Karl Urban, John Doman)
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- Billy (Karl Urban) convinces his way into Vogelbaum's (John Doman) manor. Vogelbaum reveals that Homelander (Antony Starr) was a sweet boy at a young age and admits he made Homelander the way he is for his own sake.
Season 2, Episode 7: Butcher, Baker, Candlestick Maker
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Superheroes are often as popular as celebrities, as influential as politicians, and sometimes even as revered as gods. But that's when they're using their powers for good. What happens when the heroes go rogue and start abusing their powers? When it's the powerless against the super powerful, the Boys head out on a heroic quest to expose the truth about the Seven and Vought, the multibillion-dollar conglomerate that manages the superheroes and covers up their dirty secrets. Based on the comic book series of the same name.
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Karl Urban is the only actor that can sip tea *menacingly*
The entire UK has entered the Chat
GOD SAVE THE KING!
This scene was a reminder. Butcher hates villains but he is NO hero
If this was an anime they would use Jojo menacing effects there
You've never seen me sip tea though.
As much as Butcher loathes Homelander, I’m sure he’s transferred his hate to this guy due to the “toughening up his child” sympathy.
There is a part of me that thinks butcher is thinking about his own father during that moment.
@@Minervastouchvery good point.
I do wonder if Butcher genuinely hated Homelander less after this meeting. I think the most telling part of the whole conversation is "He didn't even want it." The thing that defines EVERYTHING Homelander has done (except for trying to be in Ryan's life) has been because he is desperate for attention, to be seen as the most powerful being to ever exist. And he didn't even want it. He was told by an abusive father figure who literally tortured him, THAT is who is supposed to be. To quote a different movie, Homelander's just a mad dog. Sure, he needs to be put down, but Vogelbaum is the one who drove him mad and he's the one who let him off the leash.
Plus going on a bit of a tangent, but there's no chance Vought just hands Soldier Boy, at the time their most prized asset, over to the Russian government. No. That was the cover. The fact that the Russians had enough Compound V to bother experimenting on a hamster with it shows they had enough to create supe soldiers, but there's been no sign of them. The facility SB was kept in may have been in Russia, but Vought owned it. And that means Vogelbaum, the entire time, knew a way to neutralise Homelander's powers through a mix of Compound V and radiation, given SB's new powers.
He could have spared the world, instead he put SB on ice and never made another supe that could remove powers.
@@wafflingmean4477 Well said.
@@dayjay_alldj7940welp said.
Like how he just drives across the lawn no fucks given
He doesn’t drive tho
why would you say something so stupid@@Troyy22
@@jansebastianbach1004 from my point of view your the one who said something stupid
I didn't even notice that! That's hilarious. Very spot on for Butcher's character.
@@Troyy22"THEN YOU ARE LOST!!!"
-Obi-Wan Kenobi
3:08 "how can you be so--"
Barely a blip on the radar right? Crazy how it feels when the shoe is on the other foot
I was really waiting for Billy to respond with: 'Cruel? I don't know, doc. Why don't you tell me? The blood on my hands is nothing but a bucket compared to the ocean you have on yours.'
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@@dmac4278
Butcher not responding in that way and just going straight to threats is a more realistic reaction. This guy is like anti Oppenheimer, he didn't EVEN consider how many thousands Homelander was going on hurt. If Butcher went with that line, he knows it wouldn't get to doc at all.
@@reinertgregal1130 Exactly. The audience doesn’t need the themes of the scene spelled out through dialogue
1:14 This was was probably the only time Butcher had any sympathy for Homelander and his face pretty much says “What did you do to that boy that made him turn out like he his today”
I'm sure that knowledge instantly made him hate the doctor even more. Homelander is monstrous, but Vogelbaum is arguably worse.
it also reminded him of his childhood... Homelander and Billy really aren't so different, both had childhoods stolen from men more powerful than them
It's been a while since I watched - doesn't it turn out he was lying about that?
@@98loud sitting there, billy realized he was just like him
@@ninjaguyYT no what you’re thinking of is how he lied about Rebecca and Homelander’s baby dying during childbirth
You've got to give it up for how dark Karl Urban can act.
well, he was Judge Dredd... you need an uber chad level to lift that...
Remember how he was in Chronicles Of Riddick 😎
Doom guy too
@@WeAllPlayBallthat was Vindy Sull.
@@ninjaguyYT Nah, Vin Diesel was Riddick, but in that same movie Karl Urban played Vaako.
Butchers face as he heard Homelanders story was freaking tragic. To know that before this cruel prick "went to town on him", Homelander was a sweet, kind boy that just wanted love and acceptance, not power or to be a hero.
Yeah, Vogelbaun was a real monster and deserved everything that came for him
Also the fact that Homelander loved the idea of fantasy and the forest, uncharted territories he could explore in seconds yet take his time looking at all the flora and fauna that would surround him instead of the cold white walls of his “room”
The fact that JUST like Ryan, Homelander was once a sweet and loving child, means a lot to Butcher, as Homelander would've never EVER did what he did in the present without breaking a sweat without the intervention of fuckhead Vogelbaum. It only makes Butcher prioritize saving Ryan more so that there will never be another Homelander, and to that extent never another Billy Butcher. Ryan symbolizes the hope that the next generation can change and be better than the previous. The past doesn't define the future.
I think it is also connected to his own childhood. Being raised by his father, who was an asshole on his own.
@@koro1655well its not just Vogelbaum, it was on Edgar's orders he did so he shares the blame.
3:35 'Sips tea diabolically'
Sips tea with vitriol.
"How can you be. . ." What? You can't go around creating threats to humanity and stepping on the lives of thousands if not millions and then be surprised at the horrors that come out of the holes you made. This man forces upon the world one of the worst catastrophes known and gets appalled at the reckoning. . .
beautifully put together 👌
Tbf his nonchalance put him in that chair.
I mean he had a job to do it’s not like he made the call and regardless, if it was him or not it would’ve been someone else creating something like homelander would’ve happened regardless
@@jonathanoloba7791 Excuses don't preclude repercussions, we're ultimately responsible for our actions, when our actions are forced by someone that someone should too be judged, but our actions are our own and the classic of "someone else would have done it" just has no value as an argument.
@@mattbas-vi7750 I mean someone would’ve done it look at home, landers, father, like they clearly have done it before him He was just the final product and the doctor was just contracted to do so it’s a job it’s a business, and like I said if it would’ve happened regardless of whom it was y blame the if the man like if a plane is going to explode, regardless of who is flying it Why blame the pilot for when it explodes it was inevitable
Butcher is a such a cold hearted menace and I love it
@@MrWhiskeycricket How on gods green earth could you call this show boring?!
@@MrWhiskeycricket I don’t know how you could have been bored! I personally know people who don’t like the Boys and even they would NEVER call it boring! There is always so much interesting shit going on each episode and the story moves at a breakneck pace.
The show is also WAY better than the comic imo. They actually make you feel sympathy for the “bad” superheroes and ensure that you understand exactly how they turned out the way they are.
Homelander and Butcher in particular are MUCH more interesting characters than their comic counterparts. They genuinely both feel like real people with nuanced three dimensional personalities.
I don’t think there are many stories that have done the “bad superhero” concept better than The Boys TV show. The only two I can think of are the Invincible Comic and the Injustice DC storyline. But those are two of the most acclaimed superhero comics ever written.
@@MrWhiskeycricket I don’t know how you could describe The Boys as a “soap opera”. Sure it can be a bit melodramatic at times but the stories of soap operas usually move at a very slow pace. The Boys DOES NOT have a slow pace AT ALL as there is constant action, drama, and huge events that permanently alter the story in nearly every episode.
I actually think “Watchmen” is MUCH more of a Soap Opera than The Boys. Watchman’s story moves at a much slower pace until Ozymandias’s plan is set in motion near the ending.
Also if you think Injustice is awful you are in a very small minority with that opinion…
@@MrWhiskeycricket Dude, you bore me to death with your rants about the show. Shut the hell up and go play with your Barbie dolls!
@@jameslough6329he's probably a troll
i'carn'ra'memba' the last time.. i had a good cuppa'char
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The idea that homelander could have been superman had he just been left to grow, but instead they wanted to make who was already objectuvely the strongest being to maybe ever live "stronger" by torchering a sweet child is horrific.
I’ve never seen the word “tortured” butchered in that particular way.
@@fissilewhistleeh but Billy would be say it that way and plus they probably Def used torch as "torchering" on little homelander
@@spiderham5514 Worse than i thought
Superman was not made in a lab kid, and if this comics had aliens the most weak of them would violate home kid
@DEVIL-yf3bn what does that have to do with anything? he wouldve been kind like superman had he not been raised in the lab, thats just a fact
Crazy how Butcher's face transforms as the lady comes walking in
Yes. Acting.
@@Mark-rt1jnacting has different layers. Facial transformation can be admired as a specific talent. Don't be a dickhead
Did Butcher follow through om his threat to Vogulbum's family??
No. But that threat is always in danger of acted upon
A grandfather who lives in a big mansion really thought he had nothing lose just because Homelander will probably kill him one day.
Vogelbaum was ready to die. He knew that after everything, someday, someone would come for his head. But he wanted his family to be safe.
0:20 i love how he just drive through that grass agressively
Yep, most people didn’t notice it
03:11 Watch him snap out of it as he switches between his Butcher persona and a normal person.
Both of them are the persona, the real Butcher is somewhere between, scared but angry
amazing what the sight of a nice cup of cha can do
It’s not a persona it’s just he has no reason to act hostile to the woman. Evil pointlessly spat in all directions is just fodder. Controlled concise evil tampered and put to a specific purpose is what it is. He knows who to draw his metaphorical sword against and who not to
3:35 Thit have to be the most menacing someone have ever been drinking a cut of tea...
Vogelbaum realized that moment Homelander is not the only terrifying monster he created.
One of my favorite scenes. I'm not sure if Billy would have gone through with it but the fact that I don't know is still scary as shit.
He would, he don't care
Depends on how similar he is to his comic book counterpart. If he's anything like the Butcher from the comics than he is only slightly less evil than Homelander.
He's british this is exactly how you become the ultimate boss battle
I mean in the comics it isn't really homelander doing half the bad homelander shit. I think Butcher is worse.@@Laneous14
He would absolutely go through with it.
I've never met the man, but it feels like Karl Urban has been overlooked his whole career and The Boys has showed people how good of an actor he is.
Karl Urbans fan base might not be the biggest but we are very loyal. I track his career for a long time now and he never disappoints in any of his roles
I think the issue is that he's either been in a lot of very mid things, or he's been given a number of mid roles. That's no fault of his, it's just how it is sometimes. Some people just need a good role in a good thing in order for them to get the recognition they have perhaps always deserved.
His range is insane. You can’t even tell it’s him in his roles most of the time.
Anyone with a prominent character in the the LotR franchise has not had their career overlooked, you dip. Dude has been an A-lister since the 90s. stfu and get a decent opinion... everyone in this thread is delusional.
He really is. If they ever try to make another dresden files series I hope they get him. Man is insanely talented
The way he drinks the tea ☕️ takes it for me 😂😂😂😂that side eye while slowing drinking
Butcher wants to hear that Homelander grew up completely as a sadist dressed as a celebrity yet Vogelbaum says Homelander actually started off as any other kid with dreams, not even wanting to be the Vought super brand he would be groomed into. Gives the audience a chance to see how Butcher reacts when it's not just the terrible Supes he aims his violence at, but the monsters that enabled them. Even if he has to hurt their families or sacrifice his own red lines to achieve his goals.
Who’d have guessed Caesar was so Caring.
I just realised John Doman is acting him, he was also in Manhunt as random Hoods, and in Fallout New Vegas as Caesar! So cool.
Oh wow I had no idea he was Caesar that's awesome
It took some time getting used to him in this role because I was so used to his performance as Rawls in the Wire. He was phenomenal lol
His voice is extremely recognizable, especially if you played new Vegas.
I heard him speak and literally thought "hey, that sounds like 'praetorians, kill this asshole' " before realizing that it was, in fact, Caesar in front of me, in the flesh.
2:33 Yeah I can see Butcher actually doing that because, this guy created homelander who took basically everything from Billy.
It's the kind of thing that would sound so cringe out of someone else's mouth but somehow Butcher makes it so real
No tf it wouldn’t it would still sound psychotic. Basing in someone’s daughters head and killing their family is not “cringe” nor would it sound like it wtf r u on lmaooo
What makes the way that Butcher describes how he’s gonna kill Vogelbaum’s family much scarier is that there is no music playing throughout the entire scene, making it horrifically realistic. Sometimes not having music play makes a scene all the more terrifying.
Drives OVER the lawn like a Chad
chad
Who's more intimidating while drinking a beverage: Billy Butcher drinking tea here or Jules drinking Sprite in Pulp Fiction?
Still Jules I think, but it's close.
Or Riddick drinking a cup of Tea?
@@8RincewindJules can't hold a candle to Butcher
Butcher by a great margin. Jules was a calm and reasonable person, he was someone who you can talk to and he would genuinely listen to you even if he's pointing a gun at your head. Meanwhile Butcher is a psychopath, he won't even bother listening to what you're saying, he'll just pull tge trigger.
Colonel Hans Landa drinking a glass of milk in Inglourious Basterds.
The way he makes noise moving the chair gives me both tyrion and jules vibes. “Oh I’m sorry. Did i break your concentration?” He gives no shits about his intentions or his guilt.
Rawls: "You, Butcher, are a gaping asshole"
"These are for you, Butcher" **holds up two middle fingers**
He's a reasonable guy!
"... We both know this."
"Homelander please tell me you didn't murder them yourself. Can you do that for me?"
You don't get to live peacefully after making monsters of men.
Terrifying and I believe every word that comes out of Butchers mouth when he’s in that zone without question
Karl Urban might not win any trophies but his film work and his choice in roles will be historic awards nonetheless.
3:05 he who fights by the sword, dies by it. You made your family fair game.
Butcher and Homelander really are two sides of the same coin. Butcher might even be more evil, especially if the show is planning to follow the comics.
Butcher doesn't kill innocent people only bad guys in the show
They aren't following the comics and Butcher isn't a bad guy in the show (so far).
@@wisepalaz I'm trying to avoid comic spoilers by replying here, but idk, I think show Butcher seems pretty willing to do some of the things that comic Butcher did.
@@PaddyRoon7he definitely does... like ffs... even it was deserved... he still brutally killed Mesmeriser or memoriser who wanted to see his kid and nothing more plus he was willing to kill Kimikos brother with 0 hesitation plus he killed Gunpowder who was physically abused and S3xually abused by Soldier Boy... Comic Butcher is definitely way worse but the funny thing is that he's much nicer to the ppl around him or at least Hughie and there's a reason for that and it's not just because Hughie reminds him of his little brother...
the absolute hate that The Boys comic gets is just amazing because it's a full circle of how public opinion completely sways your way of thinking or perception to that specific thing... it happens everywhere and everyday and The Boys comic is one of those which gets unwarranted hate... and i know it's because of that disingenuous l0ser that completely shitted on The Boys comic aka PointlessHub and now everyone hates The Boys comic and constantly spew the same thing as to why they hate it even though they don't actually have a valid reason to hate it and even hate it in their own opinion....
but the hate isn't just on The Boys comic but also Garth Ennis which completely sucks because he's a very very genuine good writer...
why else do you think that the show was created... was it because they wanted to improve the dogsh1t that was The Boys comic.
No... it was never about that... the Director and Seth Rogan were just fans of the Comics and literally had them sitting next to Garth Ennis with Ennis being in the middle since he was the one that created it and its what the show is basing off on.
@@sarahbarnes9648Butcher would exterminate all supes if he could. Innocent or not.
Butcher is pretty much the alternate version of Batman / Bruce Wayne. Contingencies.
More like the punisher. Super smart but also completely ruthless and relentless in his pursuit of self defined evil…
hes more like V or rorschach pretty much the only thing that makes him a "good" person is that he happens to be fighting people worse than him
The most menacing sip of tea in history. Lol That side eye.
3:33 This is the very definition of aggressively British.
I love how this is a reflection of Butcher and his own father
man.. Butcher realizing how much he relates to Homelander, and having to change the subject.
I’ve always liked Billy driving over the grass.
2:27 butcher got no chill and i love it favorite butcher scene right here
1:29 is when butcher begins to see similarities in his & homelanders upbringing
If you watch this on Amazon and turn on subtitles, when butcher sips the tea the subtitles show ‘sips diabolically’
To take a sweet innocent child and turn them into a complete flipping monster is a special type of evil that upon your deathyou get your own Wing In Hell dedicated to torturing you
Billy could totally fuck with Homelander by mocking him about liking Davey Crockett lol
Why? Davey Crockett was a hero.
@@kylelapointe2289 he'll probably be like "Did ya wear the little Davey Crockett hat? When you begged daddy to love you?"
After watching Ep 4 of S4, this scene hits different.
HONESTLY
Wait why hasn’t homelander ever thought of this
Because he already has Ryan in this episode.
Vogelbum the Guy who trained and toughened up Supes as profession gets scared by a mere human.. thats how scary Butcher is.. Unreal portrayal by Karl Urban
Loved him as McCoy as I only know him as.. but this Karl guy is officially my favorite actor. I gotta ebay some of his other movies!
check out Dredd (2012)
Eomer
The only scene that makes you feel bad for Homelander
Kinda felt bad for him when he broke down when Ryan went with Butcher. Totally deserved but still
In a sense, homelander is the greatest victim in the whole show,with maybe billy being the close second@@Jaymark895
“Loved the Idea of the woods” is that foreshadowing? If you seen Gen V you would know what I mean
Just realized he drives over the lawn😂
3:08 I don’t know who was hit more with 2 tons of irony, based on how the world works this guy in this moment by Billy Butcher, or a train after his brother gets hurt. I mean seriously how can these people be so damn surprised
That coat, the beard and hair and the accent with piercing gaze, you'd shit bricks in his presence.
Comics Butcher was way scarier.
Hearing him talk about homelander when he was younger reminds me of the more recent episodes when homelander visits the lab
noooooooooo not the consequences of my actions
This long sip is fucking hilarious. Fuckin love Butcher
That long ass stare tho too he be like "I'ma drink this tea as ur pissin' yer'pants from my threat" Bc he literally put The doctors family in jeopardy but hey, the doctor started it all- i kinda want to see Dr V's bloodline ending lol
It’s funny how Vogelbaum is like 😢how can you be so cruel. When he literally created a superhuman murdering psychopath
homelander is at worst a sociopath psychopaths are born from what Ive heard not made
3:07 "How can you be so-"
Please, you have absolutely no right to say that after what you and Vought made and unleashed on the world and poor blokes like Butcher-so many hypocrites in this universe lol
That sip was so uncomfortably long, what an absolute power move.
Deputy Rawls never shouldve taken that deal with Carcetti. Look at what he got himself into after leaving the force!
Only William Butcher can sip a cuppa’ char so menacingly 🥶
3:45 I'm a lot worse than you think I am.
I love how Billy drives straight over the lawn to park his car. We don't need no stinkin car loop.
03:38 This death stare...Reminds me of Arnold's classics.
She poured the cream in first. Ive heard this is sacrilege to the tea drinking world. More reason for Butcher’s disgust and resentment.
WTF did he seriously just drive over the grass patch? 😂😂😂
This is a level of pettiness I’ve never seen. 💀
Just realized that Vogelbaum says "The Woods" here. Might be the one who named the facility in Gen V.
I love that butcher’s driving a regular ass shitbox lol
3:10 that subtle switch in demeanor makes crazy sense now with the subplot of Joe Kessler
People have forgot that he was ready to kill Stilwell baby for no reason? He knew that homelander was not gonna die by the explosion but still done it. Billy is no different from homelander, but at least he is able to knowledge that he is a bad person at the end of the day.
Killing a baby is not the as what homelander did.
Butcher is so fucking intimidating. And hes not even lying. He would absolutely do what he threatened him with.
I hope they take away Homelanders powers towards the end of the series…that would be incredible to see him have to deal with being a normal person. That would be better than killing him off I think.
Thatd be awesome. Similiar to Franklin Saints downfall in Snowfall
Love how he just drives over the grass. 😂
Butcher reminds me of Matt from sicario a cheerful carefree guy and in a second have you in a corner pissing yourself he is willing to do whatever is necessary
3:30 most dangerous sipping in the TV history.
Wait... did I just see milk being put in before the tea?! As a proud tea drinker that hurts my soul!
3:35
*Sips tea with malicious intent*
Straight across the lawn 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
true to caesar
Of course Homelander is in The Legion.
The beautiful part when a villain plays the role of hero, aint no saint but ain’t no demon. He fights for what he believes and what is right in his mind even if others don’t agree
The way Butcher shlurps his tea diabolically is the absolute peak of the entire episode 😂
Im so used to seeing Voglebam’s actor as Carmine Falcone
God this show is so well written (homelander, butcher, edgar, soldier boy), i hope it never drops off.
0:14
Alright, for as disgusting as smoking is, that was pretty badass
Now you see why vaping I knew you'd come around
I guess Butcher doesn't realize he's talking to Caesar the great
“When he was a little boy, five or six he was quite sweet”
*Butcher’s face:* …What?
He acted so nice to his daughter, but he was willing to pull her a part and she had no idea.
3:06 ...so fucking diabolical?
that bombastic side eye is on another level
Homelander probably applies manifest destiny to supes vs humans now
Imagine if vogelbaum still said no and tried to call his bluff. A billy was just like “so be it” and just did what he said he would do.
that long sip and stare. love it😂
Can anyone slurp tea in such a menacing fashion?
Coral Espinosa
Rawls has come a long way since accepting he would never be police commissioner in Baltimore.
If you can deal with politics in Baltimore this is child's play in comparison. Even Homelander hides when he hears Omar whistling in the streets.
If the show turns out to end like the comic, then this isn’t even close to the reverse psychopath butcher becomes, because trust me, everyone is fucked when that happens.
it's easy to say that Butcher is a psychopath in the comic when Butcher hates himself for that reason... he didn't even set up to kill everyone out of random...
he wanted Hughie to be stronger and be more ruthless in order to stop Butcher and his crusade and it's why he lets Hughie live but even when Hughie goes on to attack Butcher, Billy still tries to save him even though he failed and Hughie gets injured in the process but the thing that really set off Hughie was that he actually believed that Butcher really did kidnap his family and they were ready to die in which Hughie snapped and stabbed Butcher but Hughie regrets it and then calls his family if they're actually okay and they are and Butcher smiles because of what Hughie did... when Hughie asks of what happened between them and Butcher, they said that he was very nice to them...
funnily enough, comic Butcher is actually nicer to the ppl around him and even Hughie elsewell... the show doesn't pull of the same thing but does a similar thing but in a different way and that's totally fine because the show are actually FANS of the original work...
they don't hate it and actually tried to improve the dogsh1t that was The Boys comic since thr comic was never bad or anything like that as the public opinion claims to say...
its funny how the Public Opinion once again completely sways ppls thinking or perception to that specific thing and just say that it's bad or just say the same thing that ppl heard from the person who made the house call aka PointlessHub...
now everyone sh1ts on the comic and just say the same thing and no one has their own opinions on it... and when someone does, they still alter their way of thinking or. perception of thr comic because of how the public opinion responds to those who try to have their own opinion of the comic.
@@godzillazfriction wtf are you talking about brother, I was just comparing the comic with the show and how it mirrors it a little.
@@hot-_-fries1254 😐 nice to completely disregard my comment... fuck you... don't even reply to me... its not even worth it at this point
@@godzillazfriction Nah man, I read the comic and it is shit
@@godzillazfriction but I agree with Butcher being nicer to ppl around him in the comics, it is something I never saw anyone else bringing up before
I never noticed butcher drives over the grass, instead of taking the driveway, to park in front of the building 😂😂