@@weridifylike the time human torch "sacrificed" himself to save everyone. The things was hurt the most by his "death". That Thor and hulk let him beat the shit outta both of them to get it out of his system. That's some real bro shit.
I haven't seen too much, but I love what their doing with Jonah in ironically, the new ultimate universe because it makes him sort of another father figure to Peter.
@@nateno8965 in at least one iteration of the story, Jameson hires Peter because he finds out about the murder of Uncle Ben, so he hires Peter because he wants to help a young man who lost both his male role model and family pillar. And a lot of times, his distrust of vigilantes is justified, like in once version, he became a widow when a group of masked men killed his wife, I don't remember if it was a robbery gone wrong or someone wanting to silence Jameson. Jameson is a guy with an axe to grind, but when we get to know the guy, we find out he's not only human, but also that he could do a lot worse
Actually Jonah switches up before this, because of the ULTIMATUM event. He sees Spidey saving people in the Flood of New York and has a realisation that he's truly a hero, diving into the waters that already washed so many people away to save others.
It honestly reminds me of some relatives i have. They are very homophobic, but if they know a gay person on a personal level they treat them with the same respect like any other person. I wouldn't be surprised if JJJ is an allegory to homophobic/xenophobic media owners
@@WolfClant You do understand to be actually homophobic you cannot like gay people right? Like racism just because you use the slurr does not make you racist it's an all or nothing type deal stop using that word lmao, you don't know what it means.
I remember hearing of just how bad Ultimate Avengers treated Peter. Especially Captain America. So when I heard Aunt May ripped him a new asshole I couldn’t do anything but applaud it.
It's funny 'cause I would have no idea what you're talking about if I hadn't read some of those myself. 😅 It's beautiful seeing some love for the Arachnid in-universe.
In the main universe there's actually a backstory to the day Jameson hired Peter. Everyone tells JJ that Peter's photos are terrible but he still hires him anyway, because Jonah knows about what happened to Ben Parker (they're a newspaper after all) and Jameson just wants to give the kid a chance when nobody else will.
I actually like it when Jameson has genuine moments, even the Rami movies showed him willing to risk his life to keep Peter safe from the Goblin. I don’t like it when he completely turns and goes totally pro Spider-Man but I like the idea of him knowing his identity but not dragging Peter through the mud, especially after he saves him. I like imagining he hates Spider-Man but cares enough about Peter to actually have his back, even if he disagrees with his actions as Spider-Man
I don’t mind when he becomes pro spider man because normally it’s either after he sees Peter doing some dangerous stuff to help people (like when there was a flood and he saw Peter diving into the water that claimed so many lives already just to try to save one more person) or when he sees it’s Peter under the mask because he knows Peter is a good person so he realises Spider-Man is genuinely doing what he can to help people. Especially because if you think about it, if Spider-Man joined the police force or something he’d probably have to tell them who he is which never ends well (think secret wars when he listens to Tony and unmasks and may gets shot) so he can’t really join the police but he still does what he can to help JJJ comes off as abrasive but he is a pretty decent guy who genuinely does care about people. Like I’m pretty sure one version of JJJ actually hired Peter because he knew about uncle Ben dying and wanted to help Peter take care of himself and may which imo is an extremely nice thing to do. JJJ seems to see Peter almost like a son but he’s someone who seems to show tough love, like he’ll sorta shit on Peter a little but not because he dislikes Peter or anything but because he actually likes him and wants to see Peter doing better so he tries to basically push Peter to be better by chewing him out on shit
Always love how jjj was usually shown for as much crap as he gives Spider-Man, many of jjj version are balanced out by showing he isn’t some straw man but an actual person who has his own standards and values that he actually believes in. Several versions would never sell out his employees when they are threatened and others would even make sure to check on Peter or may if something happens to the other. Yeah like any comic character there are plenty of evil versions but what makes jjj so good is the fact he isn’t just a lex Luther character but a guy who genuinely thinks a vigilante is a bad thing. Yeah he doubled down when called out on it but he does have a reasonable point about spider man being outside the law. But that’s being human and having beliefs about how things work, doesn’t mean he is an evil man. But a human with layers and standards, whether he is right about them or not is what makes him layered. It’s what makes him and other classic Spider-Man characters work.
One thing I always liked about the animated series(90s), they gave Johan a reason why he hates spiderman, and that's because someone in a mask killed his wife, and that mask looks similar to Spidey's.
This reminds me of the issue where j.j James and hired Peter even after his pictures were not well received. Robbie asked JJ Jonah why does he keep hiring him if he takes sucky pictures? Jameson replied saying the kid has potential and I see it in him and then you find out that he was the one who wrote the obituary for Uncle Ben Parker
@@painvillegaming4119JJJ grew up in a time where tough love was normal. He cares about Peter and wants him to constantly be better so he criticises and pushes Peter to be better because he feels that by doing so he’s pushing Peter to acknowledge his mistakes and change them or at least that’s my opinion
I think there was an event like that. Maybe it wasn't the mainstream comics but it was when a supervillain, I think Magneto, causes a horrifying flood in New York and several superheroes go onto the scene. Spiderman was one of them and JJJ even got to see Peter saving people. But when the flood is over, nobody can find Spiderman and he's belived to have died in the flood.
This storyline lives rent-free in my head. I’ll always remember the image of Spider-Man diving into the water to rescue people while New York was flooded during Ultimatum
The Death of Spider-Man wasn't the first comic I ever read, but it is the first entire comic run I ever owned. Spider-Man is my favorite super hero and I was really shocked when I first read it.
Honestly this is what I want to see with J. Jonah Jameson, he's a massive prick to Spiderman, at least at the beginning, does point out the problems of a masked vigilante and the policemen, firefighters and other people are the real heroes and while tough on Peter Parker is always there to help the guy.
I like how in the games JJJ was an unknowing father figure to the man he throws so much hate to. Pete even says that he tries to use Jonah as a way to figure out to perfect his technique.
I always loved Jonah's change to Spider-Man after ultimatum and his continuuing support of peter in his own aloof way in a lot of ways the Ultimate universe had great character growth and stories alongside some really and i mean really crappy stories Gah Lak Tus i liked that, Ultimatum however nah I mean you killed Daredevil in a flood in a flood.
Honestly, The Original Ultimate Marvel Universe (aka Earth-1610) was mostly (in fact ALMOST ENTIRELY) a lot of godawful crap. But in spite of that, Ultimate Spider-Man (the series that birthed the whole entire Ultimate Universe/Earth-1610 in the first place) was *ALWAYS* the one shining exception! Amidst a veritable *_OCEAN_* of horrific mid-&-late-2000s edgelord garbage, Ultimate Spider-Man managed to not just not-suck and not only be good and not only be great, but be consistently *AMAZING AND SPECTACULAR!* Even amidst the fucking *ULTIMATUM* crossover event, largely agreed to be the absolute *PEAK* of Ultimate Marvel's edgelord awfulness, the portion of the story that starred Spider-Man/Peter Parker and his supporting cast managed to still be actually *GOOD.* And it also kept being good post-Ultimatum! And even after Peter Parker died and the original Miles Morales took up the Spider-Mantle after him, which is where you'd have imagined the quality would tank DRASTICALLY, it *STILL* remained amazing! Pretty much right up to the conclusion of the 2015 Secret Wars mega-event - in which the mainstream original Marvel Universe of Earth-616 & the Ultimate Marvel Universe of Earth-1610 finally collided together hard enough for the smaller & less powerful Earth-1610 to shatter and cease to exist yet with various portions & elements of that universe being fused into/absorbed into Earth-616 in the process, thus concluding the original Ultimate Marvel Universe/Earth-1610 permanently (but with various aspects of it such as The Triskellion & Samuel L. Jackson Nick Fury aka Nick Fury, Jr. being folded into the main Marvel Universe as a sign of respect)[¹]. ([¹]In fact, even during that Secret Wars epic the Ultimate Spider-Man portion was great, as a group of Earth-616 characters use a special multiverse ship to travel to Earth-1610 to investigate why it & Earth-616 are colliding, and Miles Morales spots them and sneaks onto their ship just before they fly it back to Earth-616 and this winds up being how Miles Morales became part of Earth-616. They didn't just create a 616 version of him, the actual Miles Morales from the Ultimate Spider-Man comics literally traveled from the Ultimate Marvel Universe to the mainstream original Marvel Universe and since he happened to be there when Earth-1610 shattered and ceased to exist, Earth-616 just compensated for it by integrating him into the universe as if he was _always_ part of it! Also Earth-616 absorbing the shattered pieces of Earth-1610 into itself as I mentioned before, is how his his father & his best friend + hero-partner Genke were folded into Earth-616 as well and also how his mom was resurrected & absorbed into Earth-616 too - though _that_ part may have been a sort of "Thank you" to Miles for his instrumental role in the defeat of God Emperor Doom[²] from the Earth-616 versions of Reed & Franklin Richards during the time they spent cleaning-up the mess that Former God-Emperor Doom left in his wake, repairing & rebuilding & recreating the multiverse together as father & son as best they could while also vacationing just outside of existence & reality itself along with Sue Storm, Ben Grimm, Sue & Reed's daughter whose name I always forget, and _possibly_ also Johnny Storm. So the Miles Morales you see today in mainstream Earth-616 Marvel Comics isn't some new/alternate version of Miles that was created so they could still have him even after Ultimate Marvel Comics were officially discontinued, but rather he actually is *_THE_* Miles Morales - the original one who was first introduced in the pages of Ultimate Spider-Man, now living in Earth-616. In that sense, he's actually the one single piece of the original Ultimate Marvel Universe/Earth-1610 that wasn't erased from existence or given new form by being absorbed/fused into Earth-616 when Earth-1610 shattered. He's the one single piece of Earth-1610 that still exists, totally unscathed & unaltered - though the nature of multiverse stuff means his memories of his original existence on Earth-1610 ceased to exist shortly after Earth-1610 was shattered in its collision with Earth-616 and then bits & pieces of it were fused/merged/absorbed/folded-into Earth-616 and then Reed & Franklin Richards undid the damage God-Emperor Doom did to the multiverse, hit a hard-reset on it, and then repaired it and also erased the parts that couldnt be repaired & rebuilt them from the ground-up. Which also means those memories of life in Earth-1610 were replaced with basically-the-same-but-different-where-needed memories of life in Earth-616.) ([²]Due to the fact that Miles apparently inexplicably carries "spare cheeseburgers" in his Spider-Man suit "just in case"....somehow....and offered one to Molecule Man, which caused Molecule Man to betray Doom and help Reed & Co.)
I feel like JJJ is one of those old fashioned characters that doesnt work if you lean into him TOO hard (or you have to make him a joke character to compensate) so I actually like him as a milder take
It's really sweet how jj has changed but you know there was a second or two while grieving and thinking about peter that jj thought " That explains how he always got those pictures of spiderman " 😂
Theres been a few moments where Jonah finds out Peter's identity in the main universe (almost always retconned) but i honestly feel that our main Jonah wouldn't act much different than the ultimate version
@@mrroboshadowI think they mean that if Spider-Man was part of a government agency with proper oversight and transparency then he wouldn’t have any problem with the guy.
@@PikachuLittle no Jonah problem has always been with the secret identity He has very little issue with other super heroes who have publicly identities But once he learns that a kid is been doing all this good, he softens considerably
Jameson in every reality genuinely respects spider-man however the timelines where he "hates" him is actually Jonah's jealousy and rage getting the best of him. I love seeing these stories where everyone shows true love to Peter after everything he had sacrificed for his city
"I think you will regret not going back inside." That was something he didn't just say to May, he halfways said it to himself. He also needs to be in there, to accept what has happened.
Spider-Man is THE Marvel superhero. Stan Lees' favorite and many fans favorites as well. Now if only we could get writers who actually loved Spider-Man instead of hated him to write his comics...
At first, I thought you were speaking of the Ultimatum tie-ins but then was relieved when you brought up the Fallout series. It took a while for Triple J to develop but it was well worth the wait.
jameson is a hilarious but also great character ngl, it took me a decade to realize that in the raimi trilogy, he stuck up for peter when green goblin asked for who took spider man's pictures. So damn good
This made me cry and it's refreshing to hear that this J Jonah Jameson cares to wanted to help peter out and that he was a comforting shoulder to cry on for Aunt May is heart warming. 😥❤️💙
I'm just imagining how the main universe heroes would react if Spider-Man died. He's like that annoying little brother that they hate and love all at once.
I miss that ultimate Spider-Man. That character and his series was the best thing about the Ultimates Universe. His run was never disappointing story wise. All of the other series were awkward, fell off or cringe. Ultimate Spider-Man was the top gem of that universe. It went down hill after they killed him off. The marketing scheme marvel tried to pull in order to capitalize off of a certain presidents popularity failed miserably to the point that they had to bring back Peter in order to save the comic.
Remember this is a universe where their Iron Man had two conflicting backstories, all of the mutants were government experiments, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were in a relationship, and they killed Peter Parker. The Ultimate continuity was a shitshow and I'm glad they took Miles out of it.
Ultimate JJJ actually turned a corner in Spider-Man before finding out he was Peter, he realized he was wrong during Ultimatum. One of the few bright spots of that god awful event.
thing is, Jonah's more against MASKED vigilantes. ones that hide their identity. He feels it could be anyone and always could be a play. Knowing the person under the mask means he knows what they're like, he can look at their history, make more informed decisions. Hell, most cases where he learns who Spiderman is, he stops painting them a menace. He knows Peter, he acts tough and unfair most of the time but he respects Peter. I mean look at the first live action movie when Green Goblin attacks the bugle demanding to know who the photographer is that gets all the good shots of Spiderman, and Jonah's first instinct is to lie to protect Peter.
The ultimate universe was destined to fail. They were too focused on being edgy and depressing to making anything lasting. Miles literally came out of an attempt to revamp it, but got brought to mainline continuity because they literally destroyed the earth, and then the universe.
They should make an ultimate spiderman show that is fully adapted, not the one with drake bell. Ive read twice fully and this made it my favorite storyline of spider-man.
THATS EHY JONAHS THE GOAT! Yeah he can be a good leveled antagonist for Spider-Man in that he doesn’t see him the way others do but in that he’s not just a troll or hater, he’s a deep character and I can’t stress the word CHARACTER enough when talking about what makes him great in a lot of runs
I don’t care 🤷♂️ if he’s happy in Valhalla and six gorgeous Valkyrie are attending to his every want and need. Bring Peter Parker back! They’ve brought back many lesser heroes than him. As long as he has not gone on to the ultimate destination of Marvel dead, wherever that is, they can always revive him. Miles can be his sidekick, Spider-Kid or whatever.
Nice to see ya stretch those “Marvel Lore” legs. I grew up on Batman but have “Swung both ways” Heavy since my early teens!!! I like COMICS, I’m not a corporate cheerleader for either!
I've always preferred the interpretations of Jonah as a dude with integrity. Even in the 616 he's often times an actually good journalist(if a bit of a shit boss) and I like when he goes from "argh I hate spider-man" to "I'm here to keep Spidey honest." For as funny as it is, I kinda hate that the games made him a sort of Rush Limbaugh and the MCU made him Alex Jones. The character of Jonah deserves better than that reduction.
Wait Im confused cyz I kinda stopped reading ultimate comics Consistently aftet Peter died but like.... didn't Goblin kill Jameson In the ultimate comics?
I remember a while ago I saw a thing talking about how jjj is anti vigilante but not racist, and that makes me think jjj once finding out Peter is Spider-Man, he would change his tune to being more like “for your own safety you shouldn’t be a vigilante, especially when you’re not even trained to fight. You should not give your life to protect others when you don’t even know how to protect yourself.” Idk I’m not that familiar with comics and from what I understand while yes Peter is his best employee, I see their relationship to be that of a nagging boss of which their company is kept afloat via reports and opinions on spider man. And while yes I can assume that jjj’s ideology is similar to how I think it would change, it’s more of a why not call the cops instead? Kinda of way originally. And I think it would change in a way that it seems like jjj is trying to tell Peter while not causing the company issues by talking about literally anything else. It feels more directed towards one person than telling the world to jump this random man if they see him. Regardless jjj would be conflicted if he was saved by spider man. He would likely still have his ideology but be a little less harsh compared to how he was before. I think it would be interesting for Peter to die, and Spider-Man’s disappearance to happen and jjj would not know Peter’s secret
Ultimate Jameson's hated for spider-man was actually irrational but justified - JJ believes true heroes don't wear masks and have nothing to hide, hence why he has glowing opinions of the Ultimates, ironically. It wasn't until later revealed during the Ultimatum Arc that the ultimates are a$$holes, while spider-man was more heroic.
Wonder if any of the jobbers showed up, like Shocker or Vulture. Id be aurprised if Kraven didnt show up to share his regrets... over not killing Pete himself, but all respectful like!
I agree with Aunt May in this. The Ultimates didn't care about Peter even though he took a bullet for Captain America, who in this universe is a complete scumbag.
That moment where she yells at Cap must have felt so surreal for him . It would have been the first time in a long time he has to tell a family member that someone died trying to be like him .
I've always suspect that JJJ would highly respect Peter once he found out he was Spiderman as well as self-deprecating himself for the cruel and mean things he did to Peter while he was in costume.
Maybe its just me, but, i feel its my pet peeve when ppl say "norman killed peter". Imo, no he didnt. Peter beat his ass and the truck exploding was what did it. I wouldnt say that was caused by norman tho.
Triple j may not like Spider-Man but he does care about Peter even in the miguire films he was ready to die to protect Peter from the green goblin by saying he didn’t know who took Spider-Man’s pictures and that they came in the mail
Genuine question is the ultimate Spider-Man (this comic) part of the ultimate universe? Because that universe is cursed as hell and I struggle to say anything from it is written well!
Am I the only one who'd enjoy a comic of like a dozen different Jonahs coming together to save a version of Spiderman from being erased before he can start? I know it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, but I feel like it could just be a good book to show how there are some characters that are fundamental for our heroes. And that even these "side characters" would move heaven and hell for their heros.
Say what you want about him but JJJ has always been true to his feelings, even when the facts don't support them. If he feels like Peter and Spiderman deserve respect, he's the first one in line to give it.
gotta love how everyone in the comment section is ONLY talking about the "deer clip" as if its some sort of forbidden creation of man (even though it is)
See what's funny here is that compared to this version of the Avengers & almost all other characters, J Jonah Jameson is one of the sanest & the least awful person in the Ultimate universe. He still ain't no Saint but he ain't a monster either in this comic line.
Awe! I like the tough versions of him where he is a complete “donkey” but when he explains his motive and the things he does while he’s alone or with those close to him he has that soft side and he’s actually a good man.
And after everything of this He try to revenge for Peter by try to shoot Osborn with a gun. In the end He failed to take Osborn life and get kill instead by Green goblin
I personally haven’t read this yet and I know you said this version of jonah is calmer but the fact that aunt may is happier to see jonah than cap says so much.
Jonah’s wasn’t made to be a bad person, he is written much better when he truly wants justice and only says what he does to push Peter to become even better.
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i find it very beautiful that johnny basically turned into a sun when he knew that peter died
that shows how much johnny respected peter
Oh is that what happened? That's sweet
Any time a super hero looses someone close to them they lose it
@@weridifylike the time human torch "sacrificed" himself to save everyone.
The things was hurt the most by his "death".
That Thor and hulk let him beat the shit outta both of them to get it out of his system.
That's some real bro shit.
@@thelordofthelostbraincells what actually happened to the Torch?
@@gard3boi311 this happened in some comic I don't know the name of.
Jonah can be on the most sincere and loving characters in comics. I love what they are doing with him in the blood hunters comic.
which issue can i catch it, also what was the comic you suggested yesterday?
I haven't seen too much, but I love what their doing with Jonah in ironically, the new ultimate universe because it makes him sort of another father figure to Peter.
Wait Blood Hunters? Ohhhhh his talk with his own son you mean. Yeah that was a nice issue
To anyone who didn’t read ultimate universe, The Ultimates were basically a$$hole versions of the Avengers.
Yep
Captain America was a borderline bigoted ass
Tony was a drunk ass
Wanda and pietro were in a gross incest thing
The list goes on
And wasn’t Cap also raciest against the French
@@thelordofchaos-2009lets be honest, who isn't racist against the French?
@@SteveDe935 i know i sure am
@@thelordofchaos-2009 Based Cap
I love how every single time Jay Jonah Jameson senior finds out Peter is Spider-Man, he completely flips the script a total 180 and is an ally.
Well that's because he hates Spider-Man but he has quite the soft spot and loves for Peter
@@nateno8965 in at least one iteration of the story, Jameson hires Peter because he finds out about the murder of Uncle Ben, so he hires Peter because he wants to help a young man who lost both his male role model and family pillar. And a lot of times, his distrust of vigilantes is justified, like in once version, he became a widow when a group of masked men killed his wife, I don't remember if it was a robbery gone wrong or someone wanting to silence Jameson. Jameson is a guy with an axe to grind, but when we get to know the guy, we find out he's not only human, but also that he could do a lot worse
Actually Jonah switches up before this, because of the ULTIMATUM event. He sees Spidey saving people in the Flood of New York and has a realisation that he's truly a hero, diving into the waters that already washed so many people away to save others.
It honestly reminds me of some relatives i have. They are very homophobic, but if they know a gay person on a personal level they treat them with the same respect like any other person.
I wouldn't be surprised if JJJ is an allegory to homophobic/xenophobic media owners
@@WolfClant You do understand to be actually homophobic you cannot like gay people right? Like racism just because you use the slurr does not make you racist it's an all or nothing type deal stop using that word lmao, you don't know what it means.
In this world, Jonah understood the regret of not going to his boy’s funeral. He was there to make sure May didn’t make his mistake.
I remember hearing of just how bad Ultimate Avengers treated Peter. Especially Captain America. So when I heard Aunt May ripped him a new asshole I couldn’t do anything but applaud it.
Aunt may is like 90 or so years old but she is still kicking ass and taking names!
Some of th best parts of Spiderman comics are the ones where people just talk or react to things that Spider-Man does. So wonderful
Ah yes, Spiserman
That Chip Zdarsky one where people are being interviewed for a documentary on Spider-Man is a tearjerker
It's funny 'cause I would have no idea what you're talking about if I hadn't read some of those myself. 😅
It's beautiful seeing some love for the Arachnid in-universe.
In the main universe there's actually a backstory to the day Jameson hired Peter. Everyone tells JJ that Peter's photos are terrible but he still hires him anyway, because Jonah knows about what happened to Ben Parker (they're a newspaper after all) and Jameson just wants to give the kid a chance when nobody else will.
Ultimate Jameson seemed like the kinda editor who used to spit fire as a journalist back in his day.
I actually like it when Jameson has genuine moments, even the Rami movies showed him willing to risk his life to keep Peter safe from the Goblin.
I don’t like it when he completely turns and goes totally pro Spider-Man but I like the idea of him knowing his identity but not dragging Peter through the mud, especially after he saves him.
I like imagining he hates Spider-Man but cares enough about Peter to actually have his back, even if he disagrees with his actions as Spider-Man
I don’t mind when he becomes pro spider man because normally it’s either after he sees Peter doing some dangerous stuff to help people (like when there was a flood and he saw Peter diving into the water that claimed so many lives already just to try to save one more person) or when he sees it’s Peter under the mask because he knows Peter is a good person so he realises Spider-Man is genuinely doing what he can to help people. Especially because if you think about it, if Spider-Man joined the police force or something he’d probably have to tell them who he is which never ends well (think secret wars when he listens to Tony and unmasks and may gets shot) so he can’t really join the police but he still does what he can to help
JJJ comes off as abrasive but he is a pretty decent guy who genuinely does care about people. Like I’m pretty sure one version of JJJ actually hired Peter because he knew about uncle Ben dying and wanted to help Peter take care of himself and may which imo is an extremely nice thing to do. JJJ seems to see Peter almost like a son but he’s someone who seems to show tough love, like he’ll sorta shit on Peter a little but not because he dislikes Peter or anything but because he actually likes him and wants to see Peter doing better so he tries to basically push Peter to be better by chewing him out on shit
Always love how jjj was usually shown for as much crap as he gives Spider-Man, many of jjj version are balanced out by showing he isn’t some straw man but an actual person who has his own standards and values that he actually believes in. Several versions would never sell out his employees when they are threatened and others would even make sure to check on Peter or may if something happens to the other. Yeah like any comic character there are plenty of evil versions but what makes jjj so good is the fact he isn’t just a lex Luther character but a guy who genuinely thinks a vigilante is a bad thing. Yeah he doubled down when called out on it but he does have a reasonable point about spider man being outside the law. But that’s being human and having beliefs about how things work, doesn’t mean he is an evil man. But a human with layers and standards, whether he is right about them or not is what makes him layered. It’s what makes him and other classic Spider-Man characters work.
JAMESON, YOU SLIME! WHO'S THE PHOTOGRAPHER WHO TAKES PICTURES OF SPIDERMAN?!
One thing I always liked about the animated series(90s), they gave Johan a reason why he hates spiderman, and that's because someone in a mask killed his wife, and that mask looks similar to Spidey's.
@@ThomasBlakely-f4x "I don't know! His stuff comes in by mail!"
Ofc the only time Peter has a chance of getting a fully fulfilled life, he dies
This version of him is still alive.
Didn't the video just say he got murdered no thanks to cap?@@kingdon7795
@@kingdon7795 I think they said Earth 1610 is gone now
@@jaredxe8491 no it isn't
@@kingdon7795 the city's on fire and everything's gone
This reminds me of the issue where j.j James and hired Peter even after his pictures were not well received. Robbie asked JJ Jonah why does he keep hiring him if he takes sucky pictures? Jameson replied saying the kid has potential and I see it in him and then you find out that he was the one who wrote the obituary for Uncle Ben Parker
Jameson is a good man with anger issues
@@painvillegaming4119JJJ grew up in a time where tough love was normal. He cares about Peter and wants him to constantly be better so he criticises and pushes Peter to be better because he feels that by doing so he’s pushing Peter to acknowledge his mistakes and change them or at least that’s my opinion
I think whenever JJJ finds out Peter Parker is Spider-man he's always nice to him. It's a Canon Event in all universes
Not every universe…
I'd love to see a comic about the mainstream JJ reacting to the death of spiderman. (But not trashing on him like he usually does)
I think there was an event like that. Maybe it wasn't the mainstream comics but it was when a supervillain, I think Magneto, causes a horrifying flood in New York and several superheroes go onto the scene. Spiderman was one of them and JJJ even got to see Peter saving people. But when the flood is over, nobody can find Spiderman and he's belived to have died in the flood.
@@dejinnthedjinn5311same jj as this one.
@@dejinnthedjinn5311 That's during the Ultimatum event in the Ultimate universe
@@dejinnthedjinn5311That was the run before this one.
This storyline lives rent-free in my head. I’ll always remember the image of Spider-Man diving into the water to rescue people while New York was flooded during Ultimatum
Yeah, that's also the moment JJJ started realizing that he was being too harsh on Spider-Man.
Ultimate Spider-mans death, and post death storys hit different, it just hits every feeling the reader has
The Death of Spider-Man wasn't the first comic I ever read, but it is the first entire comic run I ever owned. Spider-Man is my favorite super hero and I was really shocked when I first read it.
Ultimate JJ: *a caring heart who has major regrets and hopes to mend those mistakes*
Honestly this is what I want to see with J. Jonah Jameson, he's a massive prick to Spiderman, at least at the beginning, does point out the problems of a masked vigilante and the policemen, firefighters and other people are the real heroes and while tough on Peter Parker is always there to help the guy.
I like how in the games JJJ was an unknowing father figure to the man he throws so much hate to. Pete even says that he tries to use Jonah as a way to figure out to perfect his technique.
I always loved Jonah's change to Spider-Man after ultimatum and his continuuing support of peter in his own aloof way in a lot of ways the Ultimate universe had great character growth and stories alongside some really and i mean really crappy stories Gah Lak Tus i liked that, Ultimatum however nah I mean you killed Daredevil in a flood in a flood.
Ultimates universe is so unhinged that JJ seems reasonable in comparison
Man you gotta use some periods
Honestly, The Original Ultimate Marvel Universe (aka Earth-1610) was mostly (in fact ALMOST ENTIRELY) a lot of godawful crap. But in spite of that, Ultimate Spider-Man (the series that birthed the whole entire Ultimate Universe/Earth-1610 in the first place) was *ALWAYS* the one shining exception! Amidst a veritable *_OCEAN_* of horrific mid-&-late-2000s edgelord garbage, Ultimate Spider-Man managed to not just not-suck and not only be good and not only be great, but be consistently *AMAZING AND SPECTACULAR!*
Even amidst the fucking *ULTIMATUM* crossover event, largely agreed to be the absolute *PEAK* of Ultimate Marvel's edgelord awfulness, the portion of the story that starred Spider-Man/Peter Parker and his supporting cast managed to still be actually *GOOD.* And it also kept being good post-Ultimatum!
And even after Peter Parker died and the original Miles Morales took up the Spider-Mantle after him, which is where you'd have imagined the quality would tank DRASTICALLY, it *STILL* remained amazing! Pretty much right up to the conclusion of the 2015 Secret Wars mega-event - in which the mainstream original Marvel Universe of Earth-616 & the Ultimate Marvel Universe of Earth-1610 finally collided together hard enough for the smaller & less powerful Earth-1610 to shatter and cease to exist yet with various portions & elements of that universe being fused into/absorbed into Earth-616 in the process, thus concluding the original Ultimate Marvel Universe/Earth-1610 permanently (but with various aspects of it such as The Triskellion & Samuel L. Jackson Nick Fury aka Nick Fury, Jr. being folded into the main Marvel Universe as a sign of respect)[¹].
([¹]In fact, even during that Secret Wars epic the Ultimate Spider-Man portion was great, as a group of Earth-616 characters use a special multiverse ship to travel to Earth-1610 to investigate why it & Earth-616 are colliding, and Miles Morales spots them and sneaks onto their ship just before they fly it back to Earth-616 and this winds up being how Miles Morales became part of Earth-616. They didn't just create a 616 version of him, the actual Miles Morales from the Ultimate Spider-Man comics literally traveled from the Ultimate Marvel Universe to the mainstream original Marvel Universe and since he happened to be there when Earth-1610 shattered and ceased to exist, Earth-616 just compensated for it by integrating him into the universe as if he was _always_ part of it!
Also Earth-616 absorbing the shattered pieces of Earth-1610 into itself as I mentioned before, is how his his father & his best friend + hero-partner Genke were folded into Earth-616 as well and also how his mom was resurrected & absorbed into Earth-616 too - though _that_ part may have been a sort of "Thank you" to Miles for his instrumental role in the defeat of God Emperor Doom[²] from the Earth-616 versions of Reed & Franklin Richards during the time they spent cleaning-up the mess that Former God-Emperor Doom left in his wake, repairing & rebuilding & recreating the multiverse together as father & son as best they could while also vacationing just outside of existence & reality itself along with Sue Storm, Ben Grimm, Sue & Reed's daughter whose name I always forget, and _possibly_ also Johnny Storm.
So the Miles Morales you see today in mainstream Earth-616 Marvel Comics isn't some new/alternate version of Miles that was created so they could still have him even after Ultimate Marvel Comics were officially discontinued, but rather he actually is *_THE_* Miles Morales - the original one who was first introduced in the pages of Ultimate Spider-Man, now living in Earth-616. In that sense, he's actually the one single piece of the original Ultimate Marvel Universe/Earth-1610 that wasn't erased from existence or given new form by being absorbed/fused into Earth-616 when Earth-1610 shattered. He's the one single piece of Earth-1610 that still exists, totally unscathed & unaltered - though the nature of multiverse stuff means his memories of his original existence on Earth-1610 ceased to exist shortly after Earth-1610 was shattered in its collision with Earth-616 and then bits & pieces of it were fused/merged/absorbed/folded-into Earth-616 and then Reed & Franklin Richards undid the damage God-Emperor Doom did to the multiverse, hit a hard-reset on it, and then repaired it and also erased the parts that couldnt be repaired & rebuilt them from the ground-up. Which also means those memories of life in Earth-1610 were replaced with basically-the-same-but-different-where-needed memories of life in Earth-616.)
([²]Due to the fact that Miles apparently inexplicably carries "spare cheeseburgers" in his Spider-Man suit "just in case"....somehow....and offered one to Molecule Man, which caused Molecule Man to betray Doom and help Reed & Co.)
😢 JJ being a cool uncle ? Now I've truly seen everything...
I feel like JJJ is one of those old fashioned characters that doesnt work if you lean into him TOO hard (or you have to make him a joke character to compensate) so I actually like him as a milder take
Seeing people react to Spider-Man's death has always been some of the most interesting yet saddening parts of the Ultimate universe to me.
Once again Spiderman being the only bright spot of the Ultimate Universe
It's really sweet how jj has changed but you know there was a second or two while grieving and thinking about peter that jj thought " That explains how he always got those pictures of spiderman " 😂
Spiderman life story is also really good I highly recommend it as it has a whole arc for JJJ as he grows old and realizes how wrong he was
Theres been a few moments where Jonah finds out Peter's identity in the main universe (almost always retconned) but i honestly feel that our main Jonah wouldn't act much different than the ultimate version
He just hates vigilantes if Peter when whatever proper channels Jonah screams about head probably want spuderman around
@@weridify you wanna try that again?
But in English this time?
@@weridifywhat?
@@mrroboshadowI think they mean that if Spider-Man was part of a government agency with proper oversight and transparency then he wouldn’t have any problem with the guy.
@@PikachuLittle no Jonah problem has always been with the secret identity
He has very little issue with other super heroes who have publicly identities
But once he learns that a kid is been doing all this good, he softens considerably
Jameson in every reality genuinely respects spider-man however the timelines where he "hates" him is actually Jonah's jealousy and rage getting the best of him. I love seeing these stories where everyone shows true love to Peter after everything he had sacrificed for his city
RIP 🙏 Ultimate J.Jonah Jameson
"I think you will regret not going back inside."
That was something he didn't just say to May, he halfways said it to himself. He also needs to be in there, to accept what has happened.
"He was fine before he met you!!"
He was a rank-and-file citizen. He became a hero.
Peter was a hero either way
Spider-Man is THE Marvel superhero. Stan Lees' favorite and many fans favorites as well. Now if only we could get writers who actually loved Spider-Man instead of hated him to write his comics...
I swear i haven't disliked a single video from this channel. Keep up the good work man
At first, I thought you were speaking of the Ultimatum tie-ins but then was relieved when you brought up the Fallout series. It took a while for Triple J to develop but it was well worth the wait.
Jonah having the realisation he was wrong about Spider-Man during Ultimatum is the only worthwhile thing to look back at that event
jameson is a hilarious but also great character ngl, it took me a decade to realize that in the raimi trilogy, he stuck up for peter when green goblin asked for who took spider man's pictures. So damn good
This made me cry and it's refreshing to hear that this J Jonah Jameson cares to wanted to help peter out and that he was a comforting shoulder to cry on for Aunt May is heart warming. 😥❤️💙
So good story telling
I'm just imagining how the main universe heroes would react if Spider-Man died. He's like that annoying little brother that they hate and love all at once.
This is basically the opposite of when cap went to Jonah and told him that spider was a good guy not a bad guy
If only they would animate this, there are absolutely beautiful voice actors who make a great dub on TH-cam...
That would be pretty cool to see. But Disney will not do that.
I miss that ultimate Spider-Man. That character and his series was the best thing about the Ultimates Universe. His run was never disappointing story wise. All of the other series were awkward, fell off or cringe. Ultimate Spider-Man was the top gem of that universe. It went down hill after they killed him off. The marketing scheme marvel tried to pull in order to capitalize off of a certain presidents popularity failed miserably to the point that they had to bring back Peter in order to save the comic.
Do you mean creating Miles? If you think that was a failure, you're pretty dumb my guy.
Remember this is a universe where their Iron Man had two conflicting backstories, all of the mutants were government experiments, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were in a relationship, and they killed Peter Parker. The Ultimate continuity was a shitshow and I'm glad they took Miles out of it.
Gotta love he is either really kind and does this stuff then theres him sueing Peter putting him in dept and in general making his life suck
Ultimate JJJ actually turned a corner in Spider-Man before finding out he was Peter, he realized he was wrong during Ultimatum. One of the few bright spots of that god awful event.
thing is, Jonah's more against MASKED vigilantes. ones that hide their identity. He feels it could be anyone and always could be a play. Knowing the person under the mask means he knows what they're like, he can look at their history, make more informed decisions.
Hell, most cases where he learns who Spiderman is, he stops painting them a menace. He knows Peter, he acts tough and unfair most of the time but he respects Peter.
I mean look at the first live action movie when Green Goblin attacks the bugle demanding to know who the photographer is that gets all the good shots of Spiderman, and Jonah's first instinct is to lie to protect Peter.
The ultimate universe was destined to fail. They were too focused on being edgy and depressing to making anything lasting. Miles literally came out of an attempt to revamp it, but got brought to mainline continuity because they literally destroyed the earth, and then the universe.
They should make an ultimate spiderman show that is fully adapted, not the one with drake bell. Ive read twice fully and this made it my favorite storyline of spider-man.
Jonah looks like Vincent Price in that first image
Jesus fucking Christ dude you have no business making me cry tonight! What the fuck.. this tore me apart 😢
THATS EHY JONAHS THE GOAT! Yeah he can be a good leveled antagonist for Spider-Man in that he doesn’t see him the way others do but in that he’s not just a troll or hater, he’s a deep character and I can’t stress the word CHARACTER enough when talking about what makes him great in a lot of runs
I don’t care 🤷♂️ if he’s happy in Valhalla and six gorgeous Valkyrie are attending to his every want and need. Bring Peter Parker back! They’ve brought back many lesser heroes than him. As long as he has not gone on to the ultimate destination of Marvel dead, wherever that is, they can always revive him. Miles can be his sidekick, Spider-Kid or whatever.
Nice to see ya stretch those “Marvel Lore” legs. I grew up on Batman but have “Swung both ways” Heavy since my early teens!!!
I like COMICS, I’m not a corporate cheerleader for either!
I've always preferred the interpretations of Jonah as a dude with integrity. Even in the 616 he's often times an actually good journalist(if a bit of a shit boss) and I like when he goes from "argh I hate spider-man" to "I'm here to keep Spidey honest."
For as funny as it is, I kinda hate that the games made him a sort of Rush Limbaugh and the MCU made him Alex Jones. The character of Jonah deserves better than that reduction.
BRUH , bully maguire died ,
Its a sad comic for a bully out here😅
BUT ON A REAL THOUGH , this is beautifuly sad 😔
Wait Im confused cyz I kinda stopped reading ultimate comics Consistently aftet Peter died but like.... didn't Goblin kill Jameson In the ultimate comics?
Which Issue where JJJ found out the identity of Spider-Man is actually Peter Parker in the 1610 or Ultimate universe???
I remember a while ago I saw a thing talking about how jjj is anti vigilante but not racist, and that makes me think jjj once finding out Peter is Spider-Man, he would change his tune to being more like “for your own safety you shouldn’t be a vigilante, especially when you’re not even trained to fight. You should not give your life to protect others when you don’t even know how to protect yourself.” Idk I’m not that familiar with comics and from what I understand while yes Peter is his best employee, I see their relationship to be that of a nagging boss of which their company is kept afloat via reports and opinions on spider man. And while yes I can assume that jjj’s ideology is similar to how I think it would change, it’s more of a why not call the cops instead? Kinda of way originally. And I think it would change in a way that it seems like jjj is trying to tell Peter while not causing the company issues by talking about literally anything else. It feels more directed towards one person than telling the world to jump this random man if they see him. Regardless jjj would be conflicted if he was saved by spider man. He would likely still have his ideology but be a little less harsh compared to how he was before. I think it would be interesting for Peter to die, and Spider-Man’s disappearance to happen and jjj would not know Peter’s secret
Ultimate Jameson's hated for spider-man was actually irrational but justified - JJ believes true heroes don't wear masks and have nothing to hide, hence why he has glowing opinions of the Ultimates, ironically.
It wasn't until later revealed during the Ultimatum Arc that the ultimates are a$$holes, while spider-man was more heroic.
Wonder if any of the jobbers showed up, like Shocker or Vulture. Id be aurprised if Kraven didnt show up to share his regrets... over not killing Pete himself, but all respectful like!
And then you have the bastard J Jonah from Tom Holland's spiderman in Far from Home who caused the entire post-mysterio MCU bullshit
This Peter Parker is the one from the MCU. Where Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man this is original one creative by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko in the comics.
I agree with Aunt May in this. The Ultimates didn't care about Peter even though he took a bullet for Captain America, who in this universe is a complete scumbag.
That moment where she yells at Cap must have felt so surreal for him .
It would have been the first time in a long time he has to tell a family member that someone died trying to be like him .
I've always suspect that JJJ would highly respect Peter once he found out he was Spiderman as well as self-deprecating himself for the cruel and mean things he did to Peter while he was in costume.
Why is johna always hating on spidey but the second he dies bro starts glazing more than tails glazing sonic
Maybe its just me, but, i feel its my pet peeve when ppl say "norman killed peter".
Imo, no he didnt. Peter beat his ass and the truck exploding was what did it. I wouldnt say that was caused by norman tho.
So Spidey has to die for JJ to not be a slanderous ass to him...Awesome...
Triple j may not like Spider-Man but he does care about Peter even in the miguire films he was ready to die to protect Peter from the green goblin by saying he didn’t know who took Spider-Man’s pictures and that they came in the mail
Genuine question is the ultimate Spider-Man (this comic) part of the ultimate universe? Because that universe is cursed as hell and I struggle to say anything from it is written well!
Am I the only one who'd enjoy a comic of like a dozen different Jonahs coming together to save a version of Spiderman from being erased before he can start? I know it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, but I feel like it could just be a good book to show how there are some characters that are fundamental for our heroes. And that even these "side characters" would move heaven and hell for their heros.
I read as much of the ultimate spiderman as I could and I loved all of it. I absolutely HATED captain America and how he treated peter
Say what you want about him but JJJ has always been true to his feelings, even when the facts don't support them. If he feels like Peter and Spiderman deserve respect, he's the first one in line to give it.
I just came from a short about JJ suing Peter after he found out he was Spider-Man for all the pics he took 😂😂😂😂
Constantly calling him a small boy was a great insult to him. You really rattled his cage. He was exposed for fool he is and we loved it. Good job.
The "Ultimate Universe" sucks. It doesn't exist. Period.
It's really weird to remember that in the Ultimate universe, Captain America is a bigger asshole than J. Jonah Jameson.
gotta love how everyone in the comment section is ONLY talking about the "deer clip" as if its some sort of forbidden creation of man (even though it is)
Okay I brought a box of tissue and moisturizer, why are people looking at me weird 👀
In this version, Captain America is a bastard who belittled Spider-Man actions and made the funeral all about himself
I never liked the Ultimate comics they way they treat both the heroes & villains is stupid & ridiculous.
JK Simmons is forever the only MCU J. Jonah Jameson. Try reading these strips in any other voice than his.
What’s sadder is that this Jonah is killed by Norman Osborn during miles morales run
See what's funny here is that compared to this version of the Avengers & almost all other characters, J Jonah Jameson is one of the sanest & the least awful person in the Ultimate universe. He still ain't no Saint but he ain't a monster either in this comic line.
Sucks Norman ended up killing him and it wasn’t even acknowledged
I thought this was the comic where Spider-Man died during a world wide tsunami caused by Magneto
Bendis is probably the best writer we have in modern comics. His talents are wasted working at DC.
Of course in a world where they make Cap a complete asshole they make JJJ a great guy
And then the comics run was over and Spider-Man was subjected to even worse things from the writers
Awe! I like the tough versions of him where he is a complete “donkey” but when he explains his motive and the things he does while he’s alone or with those close to him he has that soft side and he’s actually a good man.
man, Spider-Man is the only good thing out of the Ultimate universe
And after everything of this He try to revenge for Peter by try to shoot Osborn with a gun. In the end He failed to take Osborn life and get kill instead by Green goblin
I personally haven’t read this yet and I know you said this version of jonah is calmer but the fact that aunt may is happier to see jonah than cap says so much.
Is this where a comic where Miles takes the mantle of being the Spiderman? 😭
So in the ultimate version the avengers are jerks and Jonah is decent kinda backwards but I guess is more realistic so 👍
Well well this is a side to JJ Jameson I never thought I would see.
Jonah’s wasn’t made to be a bad person, he is written much better when he truly wants justice and only says what he does to push Peter to become even better.
Norman didn't really kill Peter, Peter was dying due to the bullet that was in his chest
I know this video is about Jonah… but damn, that panel of Johny flaming on tho….
The Ultimate series was so depressing, and to think that it was gonna be the new mainstream universe. NAH