It's lowkey hilarious how Jonah presents legitimate arguments about unaccountability and then Spiderman goes "Didn't you like hire supervillains to kill me?"
I'm on Peter's side with the mask thing. We've seen in comics what happens when people find out his identity and it always ends with the people he cares about being killed. I think if that wasnt a concern Peter would absolutely give up his identity. It's never been about avoiding accountability for him, he's just trying to protect more people. Spiderman's all about saving lives and revealing his identity would only put more at risk.
They both have valid points, but in reality the ball is more in peters court than Jonahs especially since Jonah felt so angry about Spiderman's existence he tried to take into his own hands several times LMAO 💀💀
@@Albatross0913 Absolutely but from Jonah's or another person's perspective the idea of a mask being being a tool used to avoid accountability is valid. Spiderman literally does answer to no one. Even when he messes up doing the right thing, there's no consequence other than the pressure he puts on himself. That being said I'm on his side haha
This is what marvel comics have forgotten about Spider-Man. He’s not a lighting rod of misery, he takes what has happened to him and makes the best of it. And that’s his true super power.
@@alexjustalexyt1144 “hey, comics industry! I know you’re trying to relate to all the betas who read comics, but I really don’t need to see Spider-Man getting cucked.”
The only thing I've wanted for years from Spiderman. A real talk between him and Jonah and him learning his identity. They threw everything out at them selves I love it.
I REALLY wish that they'll do something like this in the upcoming Spider-Man 2 game by Insomniac. I really wish Jameson has a bigger role in that game and he has more moments with Spider-Man. I hope they do a similar thing like this comic. Either this game or in the next game. I really hope it does happen! 😇
Props to the artists, they really gave everything a smooth look, Spidey and Jonah look both very softly drawn but are packed with the right amount of emotion to make it pop
This is why Jameson treats Spiderman a lot better in comics the last 6 years. Spiderman is no longer a masked vigilante doing it for kicks but someone Jameson knows to be a good man. They still have kind of a rocky personal relationship but they do view each other as family.
Of course poor Jonah, having no object permanence, saw Peter under the mask and immediately flew into a rage. "Parker! What are you doing in that silly getup?! Spiderman just pulled a disappearing act and you're standing here wasting precious time; go get me pictures of SPIDERMAN"
I read the next issue. It was hilarious! Jonah does a complete 180 on Spider-Man. Gets on the radio and starts furiously defending Spider-Man accusing people of making Spidey's life more difficult. And the people are like "Stop accusing us of things that YOU did!!"
After this event, JJJ had become one of Spider-Man's best amazing friends. Sure he sometimes bumbles and screws things up by mistake like he accidentally revealed Past Peter's Identity to Green Goblin when trying to tell his past self to go easy on Peter, but he truly is one of Spider-Man's best allies in the 616 comics
really? i haven't bought an issue in years since stores no longer carry them and i'm not talking about comic book stores but actual stores. i had no idea he ever even revealed himself to Jonah to be honest.
I like that JJ mentions that he thought he was jealous of Spider-Man, because that was his original motivation. JJ was jealous of the fact that Spider-Man used his powers only for good while Jameson himself would never use whatever power he had for anything other than personal gain. Jameson wants to tear Spider-Man down because by undermining the nobility of Spider-Man, by finding *some*thing that proves Spider-Man isn't as noble as he appears, it would make Jameson himself feel better.
Can't even lie, when Peter told him he's family and pulled his mask off I absolutely teared like a baby, despite Jonah's plots to destroy Spiderman, Peter wanted to trust him regardless because he his family in his eyes
And Jonah, on numerous occasions, has been very protective of Peter himself. Which kinda makes this parallel hit harder for me. He's loyal to Peter Parker and detests Spiderman. Similar to the Doc Oct relationship.
And the weight of "telling someone close" again, puts him in risk. There's no denying. tidal wave of emotions because Jonah was just blind-angry. Amazing writing.
yea its called a ploy to get your money. They can have this scene 100 times and if its the last time, everyone loves it. But it never lasts, lets get ready for a new reboot and then we will have to go through this same comic 30 more times before we pass on
Ngl, I cried for Jonah. When youre lost and alone, the world is cruel, and hate is easy to fuel your soul, but one person's actions can remind you that you aren't alone, and deserve great love.
That's what is so destructive about hate, it will never be satisfied, even if you finally get who causes it, you're left with nothing but emptiness and meaninglessness, a shell.... A nobody ...
One of my favorite fan theories for JJ's treatment of Spider-Man is that he knew it was Peter all along, and that by publicly berating and challenging him constantly pushes Peter to want to prove him wrong and do more good. That one of the motivations Peter has to be Spider-Man is to show Jonah that he is a hero that has improved the city instead of a menace just making more trouble and chaos, and if Jonah ever admitted that he was a hero, then Spider-Man would be losing one of his biggest motivations. It's easily disproven by the many times JJ has actively attempted to kill/arrest Spider-Man, but it could also be seen as a twisted, messed-up attempt to keep Spider-Man on the offensive against evil.
In the ultimates universe when magento reverses the pole and cause new york to flood 30+ stories worth of water JJ Is stuck in the building the windows some how are holding and he's in shock. Shock at the sheer mass of people in the water and of one man in Red and webbing Diving again and again and again. Ultimates universe has JJ change from that he starts writing to make up for all the evil he sent spider man's way over the years to tell the world of all the heroes who help save them.
What you don’t take into consideration is the fact that what JJ does might eventually break spiderman. If he becomes so sick of his criticism he says I give up. No one can take being insulted and hunted forever
The look of jonah after realising how much trust Peter has for him to show him his face, even after EVERYTHING. Showed jonah that someone put there does care for him, always, even after he lost everything, the one he thought as a menace was the one ally he will never lose, nothing will break the bond these two have formed after this,
I never saw Jonah as a villain, just a misguided individual blaming all his problems on a guy who had nothing to do with his misery, and yes, he did hire supervillains, but it was not because he was evil but rather, a misguided quest for revenge. He just wants accountability. Not subjugation
One thing I love is.how Jonah ends up being an ally, friend, and even a savior for Peter. In the newer comics, Jonah saves Peter from a villain using high frequency sound waves.
@@giovannievans9379 Jonah is a tragic character, he felt like nobody cared about his misery, and never understood why so many were praising the very guy he blamed. Imagine not getting the full truth about horrible things that happen to you, you're left without answers and the only link to them is a guy who you believe was the catalyst for all your pain. You want revenge, and it doesn't help when everyone else treats him like a hero, further fueling your anger and malice. At the end of the day, Jonah was a victim, a victim of circumstance, a victim of his own anger, Peter knew this, and did what could do to coax Jonah out of his delusions. This strip made me want to give Jonah a hug, at the end of the day, he's just a hurt soul seeking to extinguish what is causing him pain, he has no malice or evil, just depression and agony.
Sometimes comics deliver some really goofy moments you don't see in other media but sometimes they deliver really touching ones you don't see elsewhere, like this one.
Damn, this made me cry. Spiderman and JJ Jameson have been doing this dance for way too long. This is my first time reading/ listening to this. I love how Spiderman and JJJ were able to share what's been bothering them this whole time. I'm glad Parker was able to trust someone else with his identity.
I really want to see this specific panel get recreated in something. A Movie, the games i dont care. It deserves to be shown off in more media as the culmination of Jonah Peters and Spider-man's dynamic. Genuinely love this part of the story so much. Its so great.
who knew jj went through so much, and here we were thinking he was just some obsessed lunatic. Messed up? yes. Mentally? yes. Is that his fault? No. I feel so bad for him, he just hates the fact that no one could save his wife at the time and will always resent himself. I take back everything i said about him, JJ is just a poor old man who didnt deserve this. But of course hes still an icon
He was a man who had his troubles throughout his life but also in the comics made it commonplace to help peter in very big but subtle ways. I believe it was revealed that aunt may had asked him to give peter the job and JJ pretty much from that point on decided that regardless of how mad he'd get he'd do his best to ensure that peter working there would kickstart his life to be as successful as he possibly could give peter. He does care about people greatly and just kinda has issues. Pretty much a normal guy
It is his fault to some degree. All sins are committed with some kind of excuse, and most madness is created by our choices one step at a time. Much of it isn't our fault, and hopefully all of it is forgivable, and we can't usually see where the line between guilt and innocence is, but it's there
I think the mask argument only really applies when you CHANGE or DISCARD masks. Peter uses the same mask over his career, maintaining the same identity, and thus never shedding the consequences of his actions even if they are only truly felt in his 'hero' persona most of the time. I also think that if Peter was truly a loner and without his friends, family and loved ones, he wouldn't hide his face, but would also probably trend neutral rather than heroic. There's also the fact that in the greater universe there are other heroes, so it kind of feels off that Jonah singles Spidey out for 'property damage' and the like, but that might just be an artifact of comics not focusing that heavily on any franchise other than their own, or one they are 'crossing over' with.
I get what you're saying about the mask, but it does still protect him from consequences to some extent. There's no way to press charges against "Spider-man". He has no known legal name, no address, no citizenship. If he really wanted to he could completely disappear and continue living life like normal as Peter Parker. Most people don't have that luxury. Of course, we know that if he every really messed up and did something like kill someone, Peter would turn himself in, but JJ doesn't know that.
@@jayb8934 Also worth noting that there are some people that know Spider-man's identity, they are few and far between, but they are out there, even if basically none of them will reveal it willingly. Unless of course it was absolutely necessary.
@@jayb8934Good points. Heroes in comics have always been iffy. And the fantasy of it, is that they often have such strength of character that they will hold themselves to very high standards regardless of the lack of oversight. Heroes celebrate personal agency and character. Because we wish that our actions to mean something in real life.
@@CandleWisp That’s just it. Most traditional superhero comics like Spider-man are based on the premise of people with impeccable and often unrealistic moral standards having superpowers. If someone doesn’t know that they’re in a comic book or know Peter the way we readers do, some of JJ’s concerns aren’t unreasonable. Some series like “The Boys” and even “Watchmen” give a more realistic (though cynical) portrayal of what superheroes might actually be like. Having super powers doesn’t automatically make someone a morally perfect hero, or an insane villain. Realistically, most people would be somewhere in between, which could still be pretty dangerous without any kind of oversight or accountability.
I really appreciate when characters can just sometimes have these heart to heart conversations with each other instead of them always resorting to and relying on a fight/fights to retain the readers attention.
Your format of telling the story through the voice of the characters is what makes them come to life and is so entertaining. I hope this channel gets the recognition that it deserves. Great work !!
It surely will. IMO, he's WAY better than those others, especially that one famous channel that reads through stories so fast, one forgets what happened 20 pages ago and can't keep up.
smh. awful written by ppl who have never been through true loss or struggle and you get this trash. Even your good VA couldt save it. and it shows a complete non understanding of who spidey is or why he does what he does. He has no choice! Its a compulsion if he ever could have put away the mask it ended with the gwen stacys death, who they NEVER even mention smh. Spiderman will die at age like 70 still trying to save ppl cuz hit is the ONLY way he can live with his guilt. get it now!? now give me a fukin spidey book i might be able to salvage it
One of the really interesting things about this particular bit is how it compares to JJ's reaction to Peter being unmasked in Civil War. Back then, he felt ridiculed, like Peter was mocking him behind his back all the time. Here, instead of unmasking in public, with JJ only finding out second hand, he unmasks in front of him, as a show of trust. And outside letting it slip after days of torture, he has kept this secret and been an otherwise valuable ally to Peter.
Jameson can either love or hate Spider-Man, but he'll always love Peter. Even in that dark alternate universe with Peter's symbiote world where he actually killed his villains; Jonah wanted to help him when he found out it was Peter.
@@Greenhawk4 but, who are they in eyes of Law to do that? It's like: Batman goes and kill Joker (absolutely deserved tho, Joker is supposed to be dead), then every other supervillians in the city, then he goes to kill thieves, then cops, who's trying to stop him from causing a blodshed, then he beyond point of going back
@@Greenhawk4 While I agree that the whole "no kill" thing comes off a bit too forceful (and tedious) at times, I think it depends on the story, context and characters. Just having heroes kill will get just as boring as heroes who don't. The problem with the "No kill" or the "Kill" code is that a lot of the times the characters don't get to learn from mistakes, mess up and develop. as characters. Even outside the superhero genre this gets stupid too. Marvel and DC are mainly happy with keeping heroes to a "no kill" code so they can keep making more. And when someone does die, there's always a way to bring them back to life.
@@ДаниилАверьянов-е5т Bit of a long comment. Well the biggest point of Batman is the law in Gotham is the problem as it's manipulated and corrupted, but anyway digressing. The problem with the "No kill" heroes (not just specific to superheroes) are they on extreme with a Jesus-Saviour complex where on occasions they've endangered more lives by not killing the villain. My point isn't with the law, but with protecting lives, there's a difference as you cannot always save lives by following rules. We do this in our own lives with something, we live to some form of personal values and rules, but occasionally break out of necessity for something. You've obviously exaggerated the outcome here, some heroes will only kill criminals but be non-lethal with police, etc. It's fiction, we don't always need the hero to spiral down into chaos from one kill. And as most people are familiar with films/games than comics, I think Man of Steel (spoilers ahead) was the first film that comes to mind, but what I liked was it took Superman with the "no kill" but in the end he realised there was no other way of stopping Zod so he had to make that choice. This is the approach I like more, it challenges not just the villain but the hero's struggle to make an undesirable choice/outcome. Same in Batman Begins, Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire ver).
@@mnArqal93 welp, about exaggeration part, it may happen with beings like Superman, while if Batman kills, he ALWAYS looses what left of his sanity, cus he IS insane, just Batman's codex is what not letting him to drive in insanity even deeper, although i will agree with you about SOME villians shoud be dead, but what will define who shoud and who shoudn't? As my opinion its is whether Villian kills innocent people or not, if he do so, he shoud be executed, otherwise he shoudn't
This issue is great bc of all the build up. It was Jonah who took Peter in as a photographer even though his associates told Jonah not to. He says to them, “the boy needs help.” Without Jonah giving the opportunity, Peter wouldn’t being humble and give help to those who need it. Even though Jonah doesn’t have great intentions, he knows when he mess up and makes it right.
Even in the movies. Green Goblin has Jameson by the throat over the city. Demanding to know the photographer who brings the pictures of Spider-Man. Now despite Peter being in the same room as them Jameson lies to Goblin saying that the photographer brings the photos over by the mail The man had imminent death staring him down yet he protects Peter to what he thought was his end
Jameson has always had better intentions towards Peter (a begrudged fondness), than towards Spider-Man (jealousy fueled resentment laced w/ paranoia). That,s part if what makes this step in their evolution so interesting.
@@Ninja_Koopa it's peter parker: the spectacular spider-man issue 1. Tho I reccomend of the reading list plus reading the entire arc of this. The entire arc reveals officially in cannon that he has a younger sister, and the fbi or whatever equal to is chasing her because files she has on other heroes. Similiar to the to tower of babel issue from dc and it continues why Peter had to reveal his identity to Jonah. Then Jonah realizes the weight of Peter being spider-man when they went to an alternative universe where they were all young.
This is a good comic. I think JJJ is supposed to be well meaning, but some comic writers write him as a complete villain and miss the point. I like how this comic gets him, but acknowledges the times he is written as someone who wants to kill Spider-Man
It would be so cool to see Mr. Jameson on Spidey's side for once. Making up elaborate stories to take the heat off of Peter, giving Spider-Man a proper image as a hero. Maybe he'd be tech-savvy enough to help build new gadgets for Spider-Man to use in his crime-fighting efforts
In the comics JJJ later actually does take Peter's side. There is one fight in this story where Peter fights Morlun and Jameson actually calls the police force to aid Spider-Man instead of arresting him. But of course, the police isn't very useful against ancient, multi-verse traveling, super speed, super strength energy vampires, so he had to ask Jameson to tell them to back off. Although, Spidey does manage to trap Morlun where the police tranquilized the shit out of him, and Peter later thanked Jameson for all the help. (Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man issue 313 (2017))
Spiderman and Batman are really the only heroes whose stories I love experiencing, even if it's just world building, and character development. They're so much more than how hard they can punch.
Well, maybe Spiderman. At least he tries to keep decency in his relationships with all his peers, unlike Batman, who has zero problems with coming up with ways to betray his friends on a personal level, and would go so far to stick with his stoic, toxic, and projective demeanor. Both heroes have lost everything close to them on multiple occasions, yet Spiderman has not a single problem with taking responsibility and accountability for the lives he may have destroyed involuntarily; Bats straight up eats popcorn watching his friends and loved ones get murdered by the the same individuals he swore to put away, and then comes up with some bullshit excuses about his flawed views of justice. It's not even that damn deep, it's just another example of how rich he gets off the world's misery, or in the very least (the only city in DC they KEEP coming back to) Gotham.
@@ravinraven6913 All stories are basically the same 5 stories told since ancient times, just with different characters and different settings. Humanity hasn't changed much since then, and all stories are basically a projection of the human condition.
Spiderman and the flash are 2 of the best characters, always having fun, gets serious when it needs to be, has emotional and caring parts with friends or even villains and the whole town loves them, They might not be the strongest but they are loved by many people because of those reasons
They've had friction several times, but he's still on Spiderman's side as a staunch ally and this immediately made him very zealous about spreading the word that Spidey was a hero.
As a kid I allways thought of JJJ as a crazy man. "Why would anyone be against the obvious hero?!" But as a adult now I understand the fear of having some unaccountable person with powers (whatever kind of) doing as they seemingly please. Because power allways corrupts and even spidy had to fight the corruption in his soul.
The thing is though, Power never corrupts. It just gives the people who have always been evil bastards the ability to do evil things and get away with them.
@@keithsinter5611 Being good is easy. Being selfish or malicious is shortsighted and backfires. Not only because nobody trusts you and nobody wants to help you, but because the people you screw over and the people who fear you will seek to bring you down. "Whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved? It may be answered that one should wish to be both, but, because it is difficult to unite them in one person, it is much safer to be feared than loved, when, of the two, either must be dispensed with. [...] Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred; because he can endure very well being feared whilst he is not hated." - Machiavelli Evil people who seek power specifically because it lets them get away with things while good people rarely seek power because the only reason they'd want power is to help other people. Evil people who manage to get power also tend to be good at faking not being evil so that others will give them power. Once they have it, they have no obligation to be good anymore and thus any reason to restrain themselves. This is why the quote "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is completely B.S. It's thought that power is what corrupted someone who was good, but the reality is they always were evil, they were just good at putting up a front. Once they had no cause to keep up that front they dropped it and showed the world who they really were.
This issue was one of the absolute best things to ever happen in Spider-Man's entire publication history. Especially since One More Day. I cried so much reading this. Thanks to Chip Zdarsky for this one.
u craazy mane lol. awful written by ppl who have never been through true loss or struggle and you get this trash. Even your good VA couldt save it. and it shows a complete non understanding of who spidey is or why he does what he does. He has no choice! Its a compulsion if he ever could have put away the mask it ended with the gwen stacys death, who they NEVER even mention smh. Spiderman will die at age like 70 still trying to save ppl cuz hit is the ONLY way he can live with his guilt. get it now!? now give me a fukin spidey book i might be able to salvage it
@@Shendue I have only read Spider-Man comics in libraries since Brand New Day. Let libraries waste money on buying it. As for Zeb Wells and Paul and MJ . . . why? Who in Stan Lee's name approved that? Earth-616 needs a reset, starting with firing nearly every writer, artist and editor at Marvel.
Are the avengers a government regulated institution tho? And Spiderman isn't part of shield. He just helps them out every once in a while. That's what James is angry about. He is someone who does what he wants. He doesn't have to answer to anybody when people die, or when things get destroyed. This is actually a pretty common gripe in-universe people usually have with vigilantes in general. "Today what you're doing is good. But who is going to tell you no, when what you're becomes bad?"
@@CommentPositionInformer And where was 'government' said in regards to 'institution'? A government is AN institution. Not THE institution. I'm also not sure why you went deeper into my "helps SHIELD". "Helps" does not mean "is part of".
@@Riger82 Considering he immediately said Army and Police afterwards, it leaves little room to imagination. Yes. As it turns out, 'helping' an institution occasionally doesn't make you obligated to follow it's rules. Therefore it's still the same as not having responsibility.
plus JJ wasn't opening his mind much as often institution / society is the problem.. like people who say "get better by helping your society" - if your society is rotten then helping it just makes you part of the problem, sometimes to change things for the better you have to go against the norms.. I think deep down JJ knows this but he's too scared to admit it, even to himself, because of his past.. he wishes he had fought back against the "coward in a mask" but his wife asked him not to, this caught him in an unfair loop where he felt bound to his promise to her, especially after her death.. unaware that there's a difference between letting go of hate (so he doesn't become the new Punisher) and doing the right thing even if society may not be on your side on said matters.
@@CommentPositionInformer notice how most of the avenger heroes also don't wear disguises? Iron,an does, but itspublically known he's stark. Captain America's identity is advertised openly. Out of all the heroes in Marvel, Spiderman does fall into the exceptions, keeping his identity hidden to most. The other avengers all openly take criticisms as themselves while Spidey does so only as Spidey.
@@bfuryyit definitely is A.I. though. The voices are okay and I’m genuinely impressed on how it can sound so human at some bits but you can definitely tell a person isn’t voicing this. And if it wasn’t then the “voice actors” would be credited in the description
This was way too fire I didn't expect to get so invested. The VO was on point I'd honestly like to see an adaptation like this some day Edit:Yeah a year later after checking this out it was hot doo doo, I was fried asf a year ago today.
This one video got more emotion out of me than the entirety of phase 4 and 5. This is the best comic channel on TH-cam by far. Idk how you do it, man…😢❤️🔥
JJ is a character I hated as a kid but started to understand as I got older. It makes sense to be afraid of some one with so much power and want them to be held accountable if a time comes. With that said when he started trying to killing Spider-Man, thats a bit to far.
I loved this. Spiderman being my favorite fictional hero of all time. Him revealing himself to JJ is beautiful and to finally hear the real reason why he hates Spiderman...and it was a bit comedic lol. Thank you for this video ❤
When you really think about it JJ is Spiderman's joker. His life obsession is Spiderman, his whole purpose is Spiderman and making him miserable just like joker does with batman. JJ is just a more sane version with all the same obsessions
Well narrated and well written story 🥲 this was so sad and heart warming to see. After all the years that they have been at each other’s throats, this was a breathe of fresh air.
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan That was a VERY extreme case, dozens of witnesses, video, and we'd just come off of nationwide protests. They were genuinely afraid of what would happen if they let him off this time. It is truly bizarre how someone can point and say "See? It happened once!" And act like that settles things.
The end was the best. Just blasted him with the backstory he’d been after for years and then left him feeling like a teen meeting his idol. Effin hilarious
Jonah's British accent is so juxtapose to every iteration we've ever had of him. It was lowkey hilarious and changed the dynamic of how I usually view Jonah. Kudos!
I'll be honest, dude did a wonderful job nailing the emotion of the scene. I was about to be critical on not imitating their voices well, but then he went along and absolutely excelled in pulling me in. Awesome content 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾 +1 like, +1 sub
Yeah it’s A.I. lol, it does sound pretty good though but it’s clear to me that it’s A.I. since it just sounds robotic at some points and by then I was suspecting that there weren’t any actual voice actors in this video.
maybe if this was your first time seeing this conversation. But for those who have seen it as much as I have, its not really new, and you're tired of seeing it. Are they really that uninspired or out of creativity that they just go back to the same stories? We will never get a good comic from Marvel Again, imo. DC has lost it many years ago. Dark Horse is good because it has things like Fear Agent. A non established comic that trys something new without jumping back into old stories. But no, lets just redraw the same commic and have the same conversation and then act surprise when it fails again
I've always like the stark contrast in relationship between Spider-Man and JJ vs Batman and Gordan. Throughout the years, either ever knew the other's identity, but Gordan accepted and worked with Batman in order to solve cases that were beyond his abilities. Meanwhile, JJ uses his journalism to constantly slander Spider-Man, all because of a misplaced hate from long ago even though doing so would never change anything
You made this out to be absolutely enthralling to say the least. I FELT every second of that harder than I did when I first read this. Your voice acting was amazingly spot on and made it so much deeper than I ever thought it could be. If this is what I have to look forward to from your channel count me as a subscriber just from this short video alone, and I don't subscribe to many people, and if I do I'm usually not subscribed for long once I see a dip in the quality and effort put into their content but I have a feeling that wont be the case for yours, at least I hope not. That was an incredible show of talent that you have for this kind of thing. Looking forward to watching more of your stuff. I'd honestly start a binge on it all might now but I worked a 12 hour shift last night and got home about half an hour ago and need to sleep desperately but I'm off tonight so I'm sure gunna binge your channel once I get done the things I have to do later on today and I'll probably watch your content until bed time to ight lol Great work again my friend, looking forward to it all! Edit: after looking at your videos and seeing that your a f resh face to the tube of you, I realize it won't take me all that long, but that just means your qmcinrenr has been of this high quality from the start And I'll get to watch as it only gets better from here on out, that's exciting!
This was randomly suggested to me and I gotta say, this was very well done!! I wasn't expecting British Jonah but it was well done. The editing, voice acting, the cuts, bravo.
He didn't get his powers when James was younger but peter got it when he was a teenager James is right even if spider man saved people he cannot control the outcome of misfortune of the people everytime
The comics need moments like this because at a certain point Jonah's entire vendetta against Spiderman becomes unreasonable. Cops don't wear mask but they also aren't one man armies that are the target of literal super humans and organized crime organizations.
I actually really like the reason they gave for JJ's vendetta against Spider-Man it makes it make sense that he'd have such a one-track mind on the subject. I actually read a couple of the follow-up issues after this and it was a refreshing new dynamic to see how they interacted with JJ knowing who Spidey is.
It's lowkey hilarious how Jonah presents legitimate arguments about unaccountability and then Spiderman goes "Didn't you like hire supervillains to kill me?"
I'm on Peter's side with the mask thing. We've seen in comics what happens when people find out his identity and it always ends with the people he cares about being killed. I think if that wasnt a concern Peter would absolutely give up his identity. It's never been about avoiding accountability for him, he's just trying to protect more people. Spiderman's all about saving lives and revealing his identity would only put more at risk.
Also cops don't get held accountable for fuck all
@@Albatross0913facts
They both have valid points, but in reality the ball is more in peters court than Jonahs especially since Jonah felt so angry about Spiderman's existence he tried to take into his own hands several times LMAO 💀💀
@@Albatross0913 Absolutely but from Jonah's or another person's perspective the idea of a mask being being a tool used to avoid accountability is valid. Spiderman literally does answer to no one. Even when he messes up doing the right thing, there's no consequence other than the pressure he puts on himself. That being said I'm on his side haha
This is what marvel comics have forgotten about Spider-Man. He’s not a lighting rod of misery, he takes what has happened to him and makes the best of it. And that’s his true super power.
That's sadly all superheros in media are now "a lightning rod of misery"
@@alexjustalexyt1144 “hey, comics industry! I know you’re trying to relate to all the betas who read comics, but I really don’t need to see Spider-Man getting cucked.”
Dude is a lightning rod of misery now. He lost hus gf to a dude who couldn't even bed her 🤣 in 4 straight years
In a way, he is similar to Batman. Both have lost family, but both keep going. They fight for what is right.
@@quangthuyoan9576 And here I thought they'd have a break messing him up with his relationship.
The only thing I've wanted for years from Spiderman.
A real talk between him and Jonah and him learning his identity.
They threw everything out at them selves I love it.
Absolutely. This talk *needed* the years of animosity between them to fuel it, but damn if this wasn't cathartic.
FR
A thousand times yes
I REALLY wish that they'll do something like this in the upcoming Spider-Man 2 game by Insomniac. I really wish Jameson has a bigger role in that game and he has more moments with Spider-Man. I hope they do a similar thing like this comic. Either this game or in the next game. I really hope it does happen! 😇
@@Elake_Simon Miles Morales.
Props to the artists, they really gave everything a smooth look, Spidey and Jonah look both very softly drawn but are packed with the right amount of emotion to make it pop
Drawn by Michael Walsh and coloured by Ian Herring
I thought it looked bad, like horrible
@@ravinraven6913just just the normal comic book artstyle?
Eeeeey, an artistic comment, yes!
Cave Johnson from portal
This is why Jameson treats Spiderman a lot better in comics the last 6 years. Spiderman is no longer a masked vigilante doing it for kicks but someone Jameson knows to be a good man. They still have kind of a rocky personal relationship but they do view each other as family.
Did this end up sticking? Does he still know?
@@TrendyTrenty Yes
@@MrElite354 ty for the update 🙏
They’re also technically step-brothers.
@@killerz7770agstep cousins*
The irony of Peter making money off of selfies of himself as Spider-Man will never stop being funny
literally the first one doing the 0nlyfan$ thing
@@simonmartinez1980 🤣🤣🤣🤣
All of Jonah's rage is immediately redirected to Parker's comprimised journalistic integrity
@@ssj2_snake all of he while ignoring the fact he's shot his own to hell decades ago
I saw one of those direct to video DC things where something similar happened with Superman. "You're reporting on YOURSELF. that's so unethical!"
Of course poor Jonah, having no object permanence, saw Peter under the mask and immediately flew into a rage. "Parker! What are you doing in that silly getup?! Spiderman just pulled a disappearing act and you're standing here wasting precious time; go get me pictures of SPIDERMAN"
The Gray Cowl of Nocturnal.
You got me good.
A teenage boy?
SPIDER-MAN THE TEENAGE BOY?
I can't with you sir.
@@virtheon A platypus?
PERRY THE PLATYPUS?!
I read the next issue. It was hilarious! Jonah does a complete 180 on Spider-Man. Gets on the radio and starts furiously defending Spider-Man accusing people of making Spidey's life more difficult.
And the people are like "Stop accusing us of things that YOU did!!"
He also makes a point of saying "By the way, we're gonna have a LONG talk about you taking pictures of yourself and selling them to me for YEARS."
@@baylaust True. That one is more reasonable though.
@@baylaustwomen have been doing this for years tho
@@baylaust Yeah... I'm actually on his side on that one. LOL
@@blackdragonwolve8317 Nawww
After this event, JJJ had become one of Spider-Man's best amazing friends. Sure he sometimes bumbles and screws things up by mistake like he accidentally revealed Past Peter's Identity to Green Goblin when trying to tell his past self to go easy on Peter, but he truly is one of Spider-Man's best allies in the 616 comics
really? i haven't bought an issue in years since stores no longer carry them and i'm not talking about comic book stores but actual stores. i had no idea he ever even revealed himself to Jonah to be honest.
This is a show now. Bam 200 million dollars in box office
"Look at what they have to do to imitate a fraction of our power"!
Damn, JJ time travelled? Really? 😂
lol that's great I always wanted them to become friends
I like that JJ mentions that he thought he was jealous of Spider-Man, because that was his original motivation. JJ was jealous of the fact that Spider-Man used his powers only for good while Jameson himself would never use whatever power he had for anything other than personal gain. Jameson wants to tear Spider-Man down because by undermining the nobility of Spider-Man, by finding *some*thing that proves Spider-Man isn't as noble as he appears, it would make Jameson himself feel better.
Johna Was In Depression For Literal Decades And I Only Now Realised That...
I hated JJ for so long but this story right here show how good the story telling is.
Can't even lie, when Peter told him he's family and pulled his mask off I absolutely teared like a baby, despite Jonah's plots to destroy Spiderman, Peter wanted to trust him regardless because he his family in his eyes
And Jonah, on numerous occasions, has been very protective of Peter himself. Which kinda makes this parallel hit harder for me. He's loyal to Peter Parker and detests Spiderman. Similar to the Doc Oct relationship.
Also apparently literally, didn't know about the whole Aunt May thing
And the weight of "telling someone close" again, puts him in risk. There's no denying. tidal wave of emotions because Jonah was just blind-angry. Amazing writing.
Have you actually teared over comic?
@@meyearsago-lc8bqwherever people find an emotional connection to a story is valid enough
Whenever Jonah finds out that Peter is Spider-Man, they make some of the most memorable moments in comic history.
it is a canon event
except in Spiderman nwh🥲
yea its called a ploy to get your money. They can have this scene 100 times and if its the last time, everyone loves it. But it never lasts, lets get ready for a new reboot and then we will have to go through this same comic 30 more times before we pass on
@@ravinraven6913 Wah, wah... Are we not entertained? That's what we pay for; get over yourself.
@@ravinraven6913the cycle continues
Ngl, I cried for Jonah. When youre lost and alone, the world is cruel, and hate is easy to fuel your soul, but one person's actions can remind you that you aren't alone, and deserve great love.
That's what is so destructive about hate, it will never be satisfied, even if you finally get who causes it, you're left with nothing but emptiness and meaninglessness, a shell.... A nobody ...
Usually Spiderman saves life but this is when he saves a soul.
The fact that this brings moments in comics that happened more than 60 years ago is amazing and fulfilling
Comes to show how much love & respect Jonah has for Peter even after everything they’ve put each other through.
One of my favorite fan theories for JJ's treatment of Spider-Man is that he knew it was Peter all along, and that by publicly berating and challenging him constantly pushes Peter to want to prove him wrong and do more good. That one of the motivations Peter has to be Spider-Man is to show Jonah that he is a hero that has improved the city instead of a menace just making more trouble and chaos, and if Jonah ever admitted that he was a hero, then Spider-Man would be losing one of his biggest motivations.
It's easily disproven by the many times JJ has actively attempted to kill/arrest Spider-Man, but it could also be seen as a twisted, messed-up attempt to keep Spider-Man on the offensive against evil.
My favorite quote that I made is "the biggest motivator in life is proving someone wrong" and it fits it way to well
That's so dumb
In the ultimates universe when magento reverses the pole and cause new york to flood 30+ stories worth of water JJ Is stuck in the building the windows some how are holding and he's in shock. Shock at the sheer mass of people in the water and of one man in Red and webbing Diving again and again and again. Ultimates universe has JJ change from that he starts writing to make up for all the evil he sent spider man's way over the years to tell the world of all the heroes who help save them.
What you don’t take into consideration is the fact that what JJ does might eventually break spiderman. If he becomes so sick of his criticism he says I give up. No one can take being insulted and hunted forever
kinda sounds like the plot of whiplash, which interestingly enough-uses the same actor of JJ
Can we all take a moment to appreciate how well they have executed their conversation it really made me emotional after knowing about J.J's past 😢🥺.
Both in the writing, and in the delivery of the lines for this video
Really nice, just wish they didn't make Jonah British
Can we appreciate the appreciation of the appreciation bots...appreciate😆
Crybaby
Wish they used voice actors instead of text to speech.
The look of jonah after realising how much trust Peter has for him to show him his face, even after EVERYTHING. Showed jonah that someone put there does care for him, always, even after he lost everything, the one he thought as a menace was the one ally he will never lose, nothing will break the bond these two have formed after this,
I never saw Jonah as a villain, just a misguided individual blaming all his problems on a guy who had nothing to do with his misery, and yes, he did hire supervillains, but it was not because he was evil but rather, a misguided quest for revenge.
He just wants accountability. Not subjugation
One thing I love is.how Jonah ends up being an ally, friend, and even a savior for Peter.
In the newer comics, Jonah saves Peter from a villain using high frequency sound waves.
@@giovannievans9379 Jonah is a tragic character, he felt like nobody cared about his misery, and never understood why so many were praising the very guy he blamed.
Imagine not getting the full truth about horrible things that happen to you, you're left without answers and the only link to them is a guy who you believe was the catalyst for all your pain. You want revenge, and it doesn't help when everyone else treats him like a hero, further fueling your anger and malice.
At the end of the day, Jonah was a victim, a victim of circumstance, a victim of his own anger, Peter knew this, and did what could do to coax Jonah out of his delusions.
This strip made me want to give Jonah a hug, at the end of the day, he's just a hurt soul seeking to extinguish what is causing him pain, he has no malice or evil, just depression and agony.
Sometimes comics deliver some really goofy moments you don't see in other media but sometimes they deliver really touching ones you don't see elsewhere, like this one.
Damn, this made me cry. Spiderman and JJ Jameson have been doing this dance for way too long. This is my first time reading/ listening to this. I love how Spiderman and JJJ were able to share what's been bothering them this whole time. I'm glad Parker was able to trust someone else with his identity.
Spider-Man also doesn’t have a lot of people he considers family in his life so its even more bittersweet that JJ knows now
Wdym?
I really want to see this specific panel get recreated in something. A Movie, the games i dont care. It deserves to be shown off in more media as the culmination of Jonah Peters and Spider-man's dynamic. Genuinely love this part of the story so much. Its so great.
The worst part is that recent Spider-Man media has ditched the idea of Peter working for JJJ
The game perhaps
In today's political climate it would just be a "wOkE" sh!t show, so no thanks.
Did *he come up it* with hiself?
@@DualDesertEagle please define woke for me
who knew jj went through so much, and here we were thinking he was just some obsessed lunatic. Messed up? yes. Mentally? yes. Is that his fault? No. I feel so bad for him, he just hates the fact that no one could save his wife at the time and will always resent himself. I take back everything i said about him, JJ is just a poor old man who didnt deserve this. But of course hes still an icon
He was a man who had his troubles throughout his life but also in the comics made it commonplace to help peter in very big but subtle ways. I believe it was revealed that aunt may had asked him to give peter the job and JJ pretty much from that point on decided that regardless of how mad he'd get he'd do his best to ensure that peter working there would kickstart his life to be as successful as he possibly could give peter. He does care about people greatly and just kinda has issues. Pretty much a normal guy
@@ShynLamo thanks for sticking up for old triple j he gets flanderized in some series but at his core he’s a good man, a complex one but a good one
It is his fault to some degree. All sins are committed with some kind of excuse, and most madness is created by our choices one step at a time. Much of it isn't our fault, and hopefully all of it is forgivable, and we can't usually see where the line between guilt and innocence is, but it's there
@@ShynLamo I knew a guy like that, hes not with us anymore though...I really miss him
There's pretty much always a heartbreaking reason for why an asshole is an asshole.
Peter is really the biggest hero in the whole MCU. The best of them all.
You know, Marvel is more than the MCU. And the MCU is a really bad example of Spider-Man’s heroism.
I agree
MCU is one of the worst popularized interpretations of Spider-Man.
@@HalfBoiIed 💯 facts
@@KnuttyEntertainment exactly
I think the mask argument only really applies when you CHANGE or DISCARD masks. Peter uses the same mask over his career, maintaining the same identity, and thus never shedding the consequences of his actions even if they are only truly felt in his 'hero' persona most of the time. I also think that if Peter was truly a loner and without his friends, family and loved ones, he wouldn't hide his face, but would also probably trend neutral rather than heroic.
There's also the fact that in the greater universe there are other heroes, so it kind of feels off that Jonah singles Spidey out for 'property damage' and the like, but that might just be an artifact of comics not focusing that heavily on any franchise other than their own, or one they are 'crossing over' with.
I get what you're saying about the mask, but it does still protect him from consequences to some extent. There's no way to press charges against "Spider-man". He has no known legal name, no address, no citizenship. If he really wanted to he could completely disappear and continue living life like normal as Peter Parker. Most people don't have that luxury. Of course, we know that if he every really messed up and did something like kill someone, Peter would turn himself in, but JJ doesn't know that.
@@jayb8934 Also worth noting that there are some people that know Spider-man's identity, they are few and far between, but they are out there, even if basically none of them will reveal it willingly. Unless of course it was absolutely necessary.
@@jayb8934Good points. Heroes in comics have always been iffy. And the fantasy of it, is that they often have such strength of character that they will hold themselves to very high standards regardless of the lack of oversight.
Heroes celebrate personal agency and character. Because we wish that our actions to mean something in real life.
@@CandleWisp That’s just it. Most traditional superhero comics like Spider-man are based on the premise of people with impeccable and often unrealistic moral standards having superpowers. If someone doesn’t know that they’re in a comic book or know Peter the way we readers do, some of JJ’s concerns aren’t unreasonable.
Some series like “The Boys” and even “Watchmen” give a more realistic (though cynical) portrayal of what superheroes might actually be like. Having super powers doesn’t automatically make someone a morally perfect hero, or an insane villain. Realistically, most people would be somewhere in between, which could still be pretty dangerous without any kind of oversight or accountability.
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I really appreciate when characters can just sometimes have these heart to heart conversations with each other instead of them always resorting to and relying on a fight/fights to retain the readers attention.
Your format of telling the story through the voice of the characters is what makes them come to life and is so entertaining. I hope this channel gets the recognition that it deserves. Great work !!
It surely will. IMO, he's WAY better than those others, especially that one famous channel that reads through stories so fast, one forgets what happened 20 pages ago and can't keep up.
JJ doesn't speak like a shithole beast of mere england. He is American aka Human.
Yeah you are right, this channel is a gem. I like comic historian but the yelling always gets to me
It is good but I wish Jonah had a more stern voice , towards the end it sounded weird . Like both voices forgot who they were portraying.
shut up nerd
im sorry that was mean
I loved this comic way to much. Really hit me in the feels
to is not too
smh. awful written by ppl who have never been through true loss or struggle and you get this trash. Even your good VA couldt save it. and it shows a complete non understanding of who spidey is or why he does what he does. He has no choice! Its a compulsion if he ever could have put away the mask it ended with the gwen stacys death, who they NEVER even mention smh. Spiderman will die at age like 70 still trying to save ppl cuz hit is the ONLY way he can live with his guilt. get it now!? now give me a fukin spidey book i might be able to salvage it
It’s top 10 comic moments for me
@@cpt191021 who asked
@@cpt191021 dam iv looked all through the comments and I still can't find who asked
The guy who voiced Spiderman really, really sounds like him.
It's an AI voice recreation thing
@@poopmadnessfr why did the A.I pick a shithole beast of mere england instead of a real Human aka American voice for JJ?
@@poopmadnessfr ai getting out of hand
Jonna isn't bad either
you know what Spiderman really, really sounds like?
"so... All this time you were selling me selfies of you?!"
4:07 There right there Jonah's point came right out of Spideys mouth.
One of the really interesting things about this particular bit is how it compares to JJ's reaction to Peter being unmasked in Civil War. Back then, he felt ridiculed, like Peter was mocking him behind his back all the time.
Here, instead of unmasking in public, with JJ only finding out second hand, he unmasks in front of him, as a show of trust. And outside letting it slip after days of torture, he has kept this secret and been an otherwise valuable ally to Peter.
Jameson can either love or hate Spider-Man, but he'll always love Peter.
Even in that dark alternate universe with Peter's symbiote world where he actually killed his villains; Jonah wanted to help him when he found out it was Peter.
honestly the heros should kill the villains.
@@Greenhawk4 but, who are they in eyes of Law to do that? It's like: Batman goes and kill Joker (absolutely deserved tho, Joker is supposed to be dead), then every other supervillians in the city, then he goes to kill thieves, then cops, who's trying to stop him from causing a blodshed, then he beyond point of going back
@@Greenhawk4 While I agree that the whole "no kill" thing comes off a bit too forceful (and tedious) at times, I think it depends on the story, context and characters. Just having heroes kill will get just as boring as heroes who don't. The problem with the "No kill" or the "Kill" code is that a lot of the times the characters don't get to learn from mistakes, mess up and develop. as characters. Even outside the superhero genre this gets stupid too.
Marvel and DC are mainly happy with keeping heroes to a "no kill" code so they can keep making more. And when someone does die, there's always a way to bring them back to life.
@@ДаниилАверьянов-е5т Bit of a long comment. Well the biggest point of Batman is the law in Gotham is the problem as it's manipulated and corrupted, but anyway digressing. The problem with the "No kill" heroes (not just specific to superheroes) are they on extreme with a Jesus-Saviour complex where on occasions they've endangered more lives by not killing the villain. My point isn't with the law, but with protecting lives, there's a difference as you cannot always save lives by following rules. We do this in our own lives with something, we live to some form of personal values and rules, but occasionally break out of necessity for something. You've obviously exaggerated the outcome here, some heroes will only kill criminals but be non-lethal with police, etc. It's fiction, we don't always need the hero to spiral down into chaos from one kill.
And as most people are familiar with films/games than comics, I think Man of Steel (spoilers ahead) was the first film that comes to mind, but what I liked was it took Superman with the "no kill" but in the end he realised there was no other way of stopping Zod so he had to make that choice. This is the approach I like more, it challenges not just the villain but the hero's struggle to make an undesirable choice/outcome. Same in Batman Begins, Spider-Man (Tobey Maguire ver).
@@mnArqal93 welp, about exaggeration part, it may happen with beings like Superman, while if Batman kills, he ALWAYS looses what left of his sanity, cus he IS insane, just Batman's codex is what not letting him to drive in insanity even deeper, although i will agree with you about SOME villians shoud be dead, but what will define who shoud and who shoudn't? As my opinion its is whether Villian kills innocent people or not, if he do so, he shoud be executed, otherwise he shoudn't
This issue is great bc of all the build up. It was Jonah who took Peter in as a photographer even though his associates told Jonah not to. He says to them, “the boy needs help.”
Without Jonah giving the opportunity, Peter wouldn’t being humble and give help to those who need it. Even though Jonah doesn’t have great intentions, he knows when he mess up and makes it right.
He’s angry all the time, but J Jonah Jameson will always be a good man.
Even in the movies. Green Goblin has Jameson by the throat over the city. Demanding to know the photographer who brings the pictures of Spider-Man. Now despite Peter being in the same room as them Jameson lies to Goblin saying that the photographer brings the photos over by the mail
The man had imminent death staring him down yet he protects Peter to what he thought was his end
Jameson has always had better intentions towards Peter (a begrudged fondness), than towards Spider-Man (jealousy fueled resentment laced w/ paranoia). That,s part if what makes this step in their evolution so interesting.
Which issue is it?
@@Ninja_Koopa it's peter parker: the spectacular spider-man issue 1. Tho I reccomend of the reading list plus reading the entire arc of this.
The entire arc reveals officially in cannon that he has a younger sister, and the fbi or whatever equal to is chasing her because files she has on other heroes. Similiar to the to tower of babel issue from dc and it continues why Peter had to reveal his identity to Jonah. Then Jonah realizes the weight of Peter being spider-man when they went to an alternative universe where they were all young.
Imagine Tobey McGwire and JK Simmons reenacting this scene on film, that would be amazing.👏
This is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. The voice acting, the formatting, the music.
Amazing.
This is a good comic. I think JJJ is supposed to be well meaning, but some comic writers write him as a complete villain and miss the point. I like how this comic gets him, but acknowledges the times he is written as someone who wants to kill Spider-Man
It would be so cool to see Mr. Jameson on Spidey's side for once. Making up elaborate stories to take the heat off of Peter, giving Spider-Man a proper image as a hero. Maybe he'd be tech-savvy enough to help build new gadgets for Spider-Man to use in his crime-fighting efforts
In the comics JJJ later actually does take Peter's side. There is one fight in this story where Peter fights Morlun and Jameson actually calls the police force to aid Spider-Man instead of arresting him.
But of course, the police isn't very useful against ancient, multi-verse traveling, super speed, super strength energy vampires, so he had to ask Jameson to tell them to back off.
Although, Spidey does manage to trap Morlun where the police tranquilized the shit out of him, and Peter later thanked Jameson for all the help.
(Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man issue 313 (2017))
Bruh, I wish this was an actual arc.
Like Spider-Man is public enemy number 1 and Jameson actually comes out and tells people to consider the facts.
@@KovoNin the canon of the comics he now helps spiderman?
@@nachonaitor5535yup
Spiderman and Batman are really the only heroes whose stories I love experiencing, even if it's just world building, and character development. They're so much more than how hard they can punch.
Every hero's like that these days, these two are just popular
Well, maybe Spiderman. At least he tries to keep decency in his relationships with all his peers, unlike Batman, who has zero problems with coming up with ways to betray his friends on a personal level, and would go so far to stick with his stoic, toxic, and projective demeanor. Both heroes have lost everything close to them on multiple occasions, yet Spiderman has not a single problem with taking responsibility and accountability for the lives he may have destroyed involuntarily; Bats straight up eats popcorn watching his friends and loved ones get murdered by the the same individuals he swore to put away, and then comes up with some bullshit excuses about his flawed views of justice. It's not even that damn deep, it's just another example of how rich he gets off the world's misery, or in the very least (the only city in DC they KEEP coming back to) Gotham.
it would be nice if we can stop seeing the same comic 100 times with just slightly different stories.
You should give Superman a chance too.
@@ravinraven6913 All stories are basically the same 5 stories told since ancient times, just with different characters and different settings. Humanity hasn't changed much since then, and all stories are basically a projection of the human condition.
Spiderman and the flash are 2 of the best characters, always having fun, gets serious when it needs to be, has emotional and caring parts with friends or even villains and the whole town loves them, They might not be the strongest but they are loved by many people because of those reasons
Their conversation is very heartwarming and Peter saying that Jona is not alone is very humane
Wasn't this where Jonah became one of Spider-Man's biggest allies?
Yes
They've had friction several times, but he's still on Spiderman's side as a staunch ally and this immediately made him very zealous about spreading the word that Spidey was a hero.
@@cheezeofages:
So far so good. I just hope someone dosen't come along decide to revert things to the old status quo. Like they did w/ Sandman.
For the most part, modern Spiderman is allied with Jonah. Jonah is even his closest ally in some comics, outside of MJ
@@dualwieldroxas358 util mj have the story with Paul...
As a kid I allways thought of JJJ as a crazy man. "Why would anyone be against the obvious hero?!"
But as a adult now I understand the fear of having some unaccountable person with powers (whatever kind of) doing as they seemingly please. Because power allways corrupts and even spidy had to fight the corruption in his soul.
Meh still lousy excuse tbh
The thing is though, Power never corrupts. It just gives the people who have always been evil bastards the ability to do evil things and get away with them.
@@immortalfrieza you are missing the point. Being good is hard.
Staying good is even harder if being selfish or malicious
@@dragonwings123456789age of ultron is a prime example
@@keithsinter5611 Being good is easy. Being selfish or malicious is shortsighted and backfires. Not only because nobody trusts you and nobody wants to help you, but because the people you screw over and the people who fear you will seek to bring you down.
"Whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved? It may be answered that one should wish to be both, but, because it is difficult to unite them in one person, it is much safer to be feared than loved, when, of the two, either must be dispensed with. [...] Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred; because he can endure very well being feared whilst he is not hated." - Machiavelli
Evil people who seek power specifically because it lets them get away with things while good people rarely seek power because the only reason they'd want power is to help other people. Evil people who manage to get power also tend to be good at faking not being evil so that others will give them power. Once they have it, they have no obligation to be good anymore and thus any reason to restrain themselves.
This is why the quote "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is completely B.S. It's thought that power is what corrupted someone who was good, but the reality is they always were evil, they were just good at putting up a front. Once they had no cause to keep up that front they dropped it and showed the world who they really were.
This issue was one of the absolute best things to ever happen in Spider-Man's entire publication history. Especially since One More Day.
I cried so much reading this. Thanks to Chip Zdarsky for this one.
u craazy mane lol. awful written by ppl who have never been through true loss or struggle and you get this trash. Even your good VA couldt save it. and it shows a complete non understanding of who spidey is or why he does what he does. He has no choice! Its a compulsion if he ever could have put away the mask it ended with the gwen stacys death, who they NEVER even mention smh. Spiderman will die at age like 70 still trying to save ppl cuz hit is the ONLY way he can live with his guilt. get it now!? now give me a fukin spidey book i might be able to salvage it
Then paul came.... literally.
There is no "One more day in Ba Sing Se." Here we are safe, here we are secure.
@@Adagm Zeb Wells. Horrible writer. Bad writing for shock value. Meh.
@@Shendue I have only read Spider-Man comics in libraries since Brand New Day. Let libraries waste money on buying it. As for Zeb Wells and Paul and MJ . . . why? Who in Stan Lee's name approved that? Earth-616 needs a reset, starting with firing nearly every writer, artist and editor at Marvel.
As a spiderman fan, this was absolutely wholesome
i never read a marvel comics, nether watched any movie related to spiderman and yet this makes me emotional, it's really well narrated. Well done !
"You could have helped people as part of an institution"
Spiderman is an Avenger regularly, and even helps SHIELD quite often...
Are the avengers a government regulated institution tho?
And Spiderman isn't part of shield. He just helps them out every once in a while.
That's what James is angry about. He is someone who does what he wants. He doesn't have to answer to anybody when people die, or when things get destroyed.
This is actually a pretty common gripe in-universe people usually have with vigilantes in general.
"Today what you're doing is good. But who is going to tell you no, when what you're becomes bad?"
@@CommentPositionInformer And where was 'government' said in regards to 'institution'?
A government is AN institution. Not THE institution.
I'm also not sure why you went deeper into my "helps SHIELD". "Helps" does not mean "is part of".
@@Riger82 Considering he immediately said Army and Police afterwards, it leaves little room to imagination.
Yes. As it turns out, 'helping' an institution occasionally doesn't make you obligated to follow it's rules. Therefore it's still the same as not having responsibility.
plus JJ wasn't opening his mind much as often institution / society is the problem.. like people who say "get better by helping your society" - if your society is rotten then helping it just makes you part of the problem, sometimes to change things for the better you have to go against the norms.. I think deep down JJ knows this but he's too scared to admit it, even to himself, because of his past.. he wishes he had fought back against the "coward in a mask" but his wife asked him not to, this caught him in an unfair loop where he felt bound to his promise to her, especially after her death.. unaware that there's a difference between letting go of hate (so he doesn't become the new Punisher) and doing the right thing even if society may not be on your side on said matters.
@@CommentPositionInformer notice how most of the avenger heroes also don't wear disguises? Iron,an does, but itspublically known he's stark. Captain America's identity is advertised openly. Out of all the heroes in Marvel, Spiderman does fall into the exceptions, keeping his identity hidden to most. The other avengers all openly take criticisms as themselves while Spidey does so only as Spidey.
Hands down best format for narrating a comic, the voice acting were on point and the transition between panels is inmaculate
There's no voice acting, it's obviously text-to-speech.
@@korvo3427you're a bot
@@bfuryy it sounds like ai
@@bfuryyit definitely is A.I. though. The voices are okay and I’m genuinely impressed on how it can sound so human at some bits but you can definitely tell a person isn’t voicing this.
And if it wasn’t then the “voice actors” would be credited in the description
What are you smoking ''the voice acting'' was horrendously bland (because its an AI) and also riddled with mistakes.
one of the best spiderman moments period....it hurts what they are doing to him now
This is my favorite moment in comic book history, personally.
This is exactly how i've wanted these two to be in the future i'm so happy to see this
This was way too fire I didn't expect to get so invested. The VO was on point I'd honestly like to see an adaptation like this some day
Edit:Yeah a year later after checking this out it was hot doo doo, I was fried asf a year ago today.
AI voices lol
@@KeanuCheems Shit you serious or joking cus thats wild if true
@@-mugen- it's AI, just listen to the abrupt stops between lines and Jonah suddenly being British
The voices were hilariously unemotional.
@@KeanuCheemsyou always gotta ruin it huh ?
It was the most emotional conversation I have ever heard in the comics 🕷️
5:25 I kind of wish he had said "you were never alone." instead.
One of the most beautiful Spider-Man stories in a very long time 😢 I remember I almost cried reading it
This one video got more emotion out of me than the entirety of phase 4 and 5. This is the best comic channel on TH-cam by far. Idk how you do it, man…😢❤️🔥
JJ is a character I hated as a kid but started to understand as I got older.
It makes sense to be afraid of some one with so much power and want them to be held accountable if a time comes.
With that said when he started trying to killing Spider-Man, thats a bit to far.
I loved this. Spiderman being my favorite fictional hero of all time. Him revealing himself to JJ is beautiful and to finally hear the real reason why he hates Spiderman...and it was a bit comedic lol. Thank you for this video ❤
This is why I'll always love spiderman. He'll trust people and risk if he truly believes he has too to save them no matter what
The voice acting is top notch! Very moving performance; loved it.
Its not voice acting is ai voices
That woman on 6:38 reminds me of Debbie. And JJJ is Omni Man lmao. Somewhat Debbie and Nolan met in the Marvel Universe lmao
When you really think about it JJ is Spiderman's joker. His life obsession is Spiderman, his whole purpose is Spiderman and making him miserable just like joker does with batman. JJ is just a more sane version with all the same obsessions
I'll say it's more Lex luthor vs Superman type of thing
Thats so damn beautiful how peter said all that 🥹
And jonah, going from hate to understanding so quickly, how magnificent
Amazing editing, amazing voice acting. Great sound effects and timing. Didn't feel like a comic, it was brought to life. Well done!
This is AI...
@illuminati1862 damn ai is scary
2:17 BRO SPITTIN FACTS
Well narrated and well written story 🥲 this was so sad and heart warming to see. After all the years that they have been at each other’s throats, this was a breathe of fresh air.
AI voices
It's literallyy Ai. Yall some boomer doomers bro
"Cops deal with the consequences of their actions!"
*Laughs in qualified immunity*
I dunno man, the guy that bagged George Floyd certainly had to face the consequences
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan That was a VERY extreme case, dozens of witnesses, video, and we'd just come off of nationwide protests. They were genuinely afraid of what would happen if they let him off this time.
It is truly bizarre how someone can point and say "See? It happened once!" And act like that settles things.
@@Commanderziff But it's still an example of a police officer having to deal with the consequences of just doing his job, no matter how rare.
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan once doesn't seem like a good record for realistic accountability
@Máté Antal also he wasn't just doing his job, sitting on someone even drugged until they die isn't in a police officers job description
0:26 Spidey ruined my day too, he didn't Care that I parked my car in one of his fights, he then picked it up and threw it to that winged bald guy
That's why you should get insurance my dude and a dash cam
The end was the best. Just blasted him with the backstory he’d been after for years and then left him feeling like a teen meeting his idol. Effin hilarious
It's crazy JJ compares a cop to Peter. Like, don't you know that Spideys responsibility is 100x bigger.
Jonah's British accent is so juxtapose to every iteration we've ever had of him. It was lowkey hilarious and changed the dynamic of how I usually view Jonah. Kudos!
Ok
I'll be honest, dude did a wonderful job nailing the emotion of the scene. I was about to be critical on not imitating their voices well, but then he went along and absolutely excelled in pulling me in. Awesome content 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾 +1 like, +1 sub
AI voices...
Yeah it’s A.I. lol, it does sound pretty good though but it’s clear to me that it’s A.I. since it just sounds robotic at some points and by then I was suspecting that there weren’t any actual voice actors in this video.
Damn, AI has come pretty far it's kinda impressive, definitely fooled me
maybe if this was your first time seeing this conversation. But for those who have seen it as much as I have, its not really new, and you're tired of seeing it. Are they really that uninspired or out of creativity that they just go back to the same stories? We will never get a good comic from Marvel Again, imo. DC has lost it many years ago. Dark Horse is good because it has things like Fear Agent. A non established comic that trys something new without jumping back into old stories.
But no, lets just redraw the same commic and have the same conversation and then act surprise when it fails again
Thanks man, comments from fans like you make all worth it.
The voice actors on this HQ are so good, and the way they show the HQ was also incredible, that last scene was really good 6:29 "Trusting"
bro it’s ai
@@elijahjagne6462 Well, then there will be a time that we will replace true actors by AI.
It's really disappointing how the first person who disagrees with Shady with a video does such a poor job and has such a terrible logic ability
bruh it's AI the narrator is Morgan Freeman. And JJ's Brittish. Use your noggin.
it really sounded like AI and was genuinely offputting to me
A+ Presentation!
The voice over, movement transitions, everything just flows so naturally. You clearly know what you’re doing!~
I hate JJ's British accent though
Wo
It's AI
And?
Sans undertale
"My father is Dead! My daughter is dead! My wife is dead... my wife is dead..." Jonah at it's lowest point.
Perfect example of 2 people both diagreeing with each other & both being right
We all know his genuine reaction was to throw his head back... wheeze.. then ask if Peter was serious.
But jokes aside, very good story!
Never knew this is what happened. Goes to show everyone has a story. Would be so powerful to see this happen in a movie.
Jonah's a bit British for my taste. But that's still a good voice.
Hearing Jonah with a British accent after being so used to JK Simmons (and people trying to sound like JK Simmons) is such a mindfuck.
next day: "BREAKING NEWS, SPIDERMAN IS PETER PARKER"
I've always like the stark contrast in relationship between Spider-Man and JJ vs Batman and Gordan. Throughout the years, either ever knew the other's identity, but Gordan accepted and worked with Batman in order to solve cases that were beyond his abilities. Meanwhile, JJ uses his journalism to constantly slander Spider-Man, all because of a misplaced hate from long ago even though doing so would never change anything
In print it is liebel
You made this out to be absolutely enthralling to say the least. I FELT every second of that harder than I did when I first read this. Your voice acting was amazingly spot on and made it so much deeper than I ever thought it could be. If this is what I have to look forward to from your channel count me as a subscriber just from this short video alone, and I don't subscribe to many people, and if I do I'm usually not subscribed for long once I see a dip in the quality and effort put into their content but I have a feeling that wont be the case for yours, at least I hope not. That was an incredible show of talent that you have for this kind of thing. Looking forward to watching more of your stuff.
I'd honestly start a binge on it all might now but I worked a 12 hour shift last night and got home about half an hour ago and need to sleep desperately but I'm off tonight so I'm sure gunna binge your channel once I get done the things I have to do later on today and I'll probably watch your content until bed time to ight lol Great work again my friend, looking forward to it all!
Edit: after looking at your videos and seeing that your a f resh face to the tube of you, I realize it won't take me all that long, but that just means your qmcinrenr has been of this high quality from the start And I'll get to watch as it only gets better from here on out, that's exciting!
This was randomly suggested to me and I gotta say, this was very well done!! I wasn't expecting British Jonah but it was well done. The editing, voice acting, the cuts, bravo.
I do hope one day people get to see this in an animated or live action film
Can’t lie they both had solid arguments, I love this video
"cops dont wear a mask and deal with the consequences like real heroes"
That aged like milk
Yeah, it's the type of thing someone like Jonah would say though, even now.
@@moshe1441 lol so true. He probably would have articles saying the George Floyd cops did nothing wrong.
J. Jonah Jameson turned into Arnold for a minute there 😅 1:44
I hope people appreciate how much of a big moment that was in comics.
Ok
He didn't get his powers when James was younger but peter got it when he was a teenager
James is right even if spider man saved people he cannot control the outcome of misfortune of the people everytime
Is so refreshing to see SOME progress to this characters.
I'd bet that Peter and the flash were written with all the painful memories someone had and wish that this would have happened.
JJJ loves Peter like a son. He just fucking hates spiderman
Why aren't comic dubs more popular? This fills a niche that I'd think a lot more people would be interested in.
That was so good! And props to the voice actors too. Good work guys!
The comics need moments like this because at a certain point Jonah's entire vendetta against Spiderman becomes unreasonable. Cops don't wear mask but they also aren't one man armies that are the target of literal super humans and organized crime organizations.
2:07 the spider slayer that takes me back to one of my favorite what ifs.
What if #82 what if j Jonah adopted Spider-Man.
I didn't expect to cry FOR J. Jonah
The best line was FBI ,open up
6:15
I love how you edited this, the music was really was placed and the voices didn't just sound like the same voice but at different pitches ^^
I actually really like the reason they gave for JJ's vendetta against Spider-Man it makes it make sense that he'd have such a one-track mind on the subject.
I actually read a couple of the follow-up issues after this and it was a refreshing new dynamic to see how they interacted with JJ knowing who Spidey is.