That's the best way to be. No excuses, he knew he messed up and to just apologize, move on, and follow the instructions. I hope they're not too harsh on him.
@@RT-qd8yl Why would they be? It's an honest mistake. It's pilot responsibility to know when and where TFR's will be, and most software used today makes that really easy, but it sounds like the source he relied upon didn't show it.
@@RT-qd8yl And people are people - it will depend entirely on whether the person making the decision is a normal dude who understands mistakes happen, or a boomer asshole who wants to make this a lesson as to why he thinks you should never rely upon technology
By far, most of them are until the pilot disregards instructions repeatedly, gets nasty, etc. -- at least re MANY videos I've seen on various incidents with small planes.
You all really don’t like emotion. I see the same thing written about police, judges, ATC… it’s getting a little weird and I’m starting to wonder if some folks are a bit insecure when someone raises their voice a little. Once AI takes over, you’ll get your emotion-free lifestyle.
@@alanzimmerman3685it’s an honest reply. He didn’t check before he went flying and didn’t know it was a in effect. He messed up but remained professional, did exactly what he needed to and will never do that again
@@winningfreak1It seems like maybe his Garmin, etc., wasn’t up-to-date with current TFR’s, and he didn’t check for them the “old school” way. It sounds like he learned his lesson. I wonder what (if any) TFR will stay in place over Rehoboth after January 20th.
@@Lucas-po6mn I've thought about what I would say or do if the F-16 pilot were pointing me in one direction while ATC is telling me to turn the other direction. "Unable. The F-16 is telling me to turn right and she has missiles, so I think I better do what she says."
-28PA here, I got a jet flying close to me. Is something wrong? >No, its our annual "Let a US Airforce F-16 escort you to your destination" day today. If you like, we can give you the unique opportunity to inspect an AIM-9X missile up close!
I mean, it's pretty clear he understood he was being intercepted, he just didn't know why. I probably would have said something similar in those conditions. Maybe "what did I do wrong" instead of "is something wrong" but that doesn't change the meaning much.
I'm sure they'll do a thorough investigation to make sure he has no connections to anything questionable that might suggest it was intentional. Assuming everything points to an accident, I would expect just a warning.
@@steveclea977 The USAF is paying for that in training flight time when there isn't a mission. There was no or negligible addition cost over normal operations.
My guess would be Foreflight or his GPS has that feature. Either way, over-reliance on technology. Should always consult multiple sources when flight planning and always check with FIS, especially when flying near any large city area.
@@bladi-senpai9398 Probably right that he wasn't actually expecting to ping a TFR on his radar, but that ruins my joke. I wouldn't be scared of an F16, I'd just get that feeling you get when you heard the PA in the classroom call you to the principal's office. Lol
Could you imagine suddenly hearing something over your engine, looking left and then seeing an F-16 nose-high off your wing. I imagine it is a wide-eyed double take that starts with scream that requires a mid-scream inhale.
He handled it well. Visual with an F16, calmly asks what’s happening, does a quick 180, and maintains good comms throughout. MUCh better than the recent SFO Class B incident👍
We all make mistakes. It's human nature. To accept our mistakes with humility is a core human fundamental that we ALL need to get better at. Shit happens, don't argue, figure out where you made the mistake so they don't happen again. Kudos to the pilot
TFR's can move, cancel, expand, and extend. If you get an abbreviated wx briefing, you are always legally covered, better yet, always request flight following.
@@_Breakdown Temporary Flight Restriction. Used for when the president or foreign leader is on location, during many sporting events, and if there's a flight hazard such as air shows or a natural disaster. And Disney World has a "Temporary" Flight Restriction that is set to expire when Walt Disney wakes up from his cryochamber or something.
Yes, "Temporary Flight Restriction" and also massively common for firefighting operations. I always have to check for TFR's on my area for that reason alone. Though my preferred method is to just call up 1800wxbrief and talk to them. CYA and easy to do.
I was curious about Biden’s TFR being several continual days long. I assume the TFR is in effect the entire he is staying in his home in Rehoboth. Is this normal? No flights because Biden is …there? I always assumed TFR’s were used when *moving* a VIP, and not necessarily a required while they’re just in their home? I stay in Biden’s neighborhood in North Shores. His house has security (as it should). It seems overkill that plans cannot fly just because Biden is there, Biden is just at his home, he isn’t moving around…. Like?? Actually I bet some local businesses lose out on business and pilots have fewer opportunities for income for this. It’s still common practice in Reho to have flying billboards fly back and forth up the coastline trailing a banner advert. They definitely drive business. Anywho this is odd.
I was IFR this day listening to this happen out of KOXB. This TFR is notorious for getting those viper pilots extra flight time haha. Alot of agriculture planes get intercepted and our biggest non city airport in Delaware is essentially closed when he's in Rehoboth.
Very interesting to note, regarding N999FB… according to ASN, on Sunday, August 11, N999FB (a Beechcraft A36 Bonanza) ditched into Crescent Lake, Florida following an "en route loss of engine power". 😬
Busting a presidential TFR is quite a mistake to make. But in fairness it seemed like a 100% honest mistake. Turned around, landed and called the number immediately. So all in all no real harm done IMO
@@TonyXLXL not as slow as that cherokee was flying. So many variables to consider with weight, loadouts, gas on board etc, but that thing would be pointed to the sun at 200kts for sure. **edit** - picked this up from someone who use to intercept cessna's in f-16's over the deserts in Utah: "Gums" : We used to intercept Cessnas over the desert in Utah. Sometimes the pilot was clueless, other times the pilot was taking a shortcut across the restricted area. We could get down to about 140 knots using manual flaps (gear up/flaps down). So we would cruise past the guy and let him know we were there. Would also try to get tail number.
In this case the pilot solicited the number. He knew it was coming and just wanted the paperwork cleared so he could negotiate his approach to Ocean City.
A good attitude goes such a long way. I applaud the pilot for owning up to his mistake. I would guess he will just get a warning but possible suspension.
There was an even better intercept by Noble on Saturday or Sunday morning. Not sure if ATC ever got in touch, but there were multiple headbutts involved.
Living just outside of Ocean City but being familiar with most of South Jersey, I thought it was a little strange. Millville is further northwest than where they were lol
F-16 is ANG out of ACY and was likely already in the air. Lots of military aircraft airborne around their constantly between ACY, Dover, JB MDL, Norfolk, and the Warren Grove air to ground range. JB Andrews isn’t far for a jet either.
I mean, if you’re gonna bust a TFR, he did almost everything right. Knew who to talk to and seemed to immediately turn around. Sounds like a younger pilot. Good lesson. And kept his cool with an F-16 off his wing…
His penetration of the TFR was apparently unintentional, he fessed up, and he had a good attitude. This will go a long way toward preserving his certificate. It can be argued that he violated 91.103 because he obviously was not "... familiar with all available information concerning [the] flight." Just as a CYA, he probably should file a NASA report.
Had a friend who busted a VIP TFR arround Ft Meede. He flew the same route every day for 2 weeks and then Obama decided to visit FtMeede. He clipped it, passing only a few miles inside the TFR. When he landed ( just minutes latter) the FBO told him to call the FBI at Xxx. Probally the NCRCC, the agent seemed very familiar with aviation, knew he had flown same route the day before, and said if he filled a good ASRS report, and kept his nose clean for 1 year, the USG would forebear enforcement.
System worked exactly as intended. Intercepted in outer ring. Mistake identified, no real harm done. I added a checklist item during my pre-engine start list that is: TFRs and NOTAMs checked. Yes we do it prior to getting in the plane, but that item is to remind me to ensure my EFB overlays are turned on, and nothing new has popped up along my route. Learned that one myself after almost busting a sports stadium TFR.
My office was above the hanger where f-16's of the 132nd fighter wing were parked. Walking up to one the first time made the hair on my arms stand on end. I can't imagine being on the wrong end of one would be like.
We witnessed this like on Sept 14, 2001. A putt putt plane defied no fly and up on its tail came an F16 zipped in front of it, did a vertical with after burner. In front of that plane. Well, putt putt plane slowly turned around and headed to local airfield. 'Oops, I was just coming to get my daughter from college." Three days after 9/11 when no air traffic at all allowed? Right....
@@molotovEOD Can afford a pilots license and an aircraft but not a radio or TV to stay up to speed on current events. And obviously also doesn't read newspapers... Some rancher that must have been.
I saw something similar in Simi Valley on 9/13 after the skies had gone quiet all of a sudden I heard jet off in the distance and when I went outside I saw a Cessna 182 at about 1500" the jet was an F-16 out of Pt.Mugu. it made a pass nose high and slow but the 182 didn't change course. The next pass the F-16 made from over the top and did a burst of about 12 flares. The cessna banked right Hard and past 90% he almost went into a spin. I would have loved to heard that ATC tape.😂
@@Quotenwagnerianer we have a ranch in South Texas larger than Rhode Island or Luxembourg. They own aircraft to get to town and for transportation, not as a toy. 138 King Ranches would be larger than Germany. Perhaps they don’t get cell phone coverage, and the internet wasn’t as easy to access in rural areas 23 years ago… and they didn’t want to fly to the “front gate” to get a news paper that week.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 Hmm, I thought the process was to pull up on the pilot side and rock the wings. Then if they don't respond, pull away and buzz them across the nose a couple of times. So what is the process?
@@tommaxwell429 In this situation they would fly past it repeatedly, basically flying circles around it, anything to get the pilots attention. Some aircraft can fly as low as nearly 0. Have ever seen the STOL competitions? An F16 or any other aircraft is not going to risk stalling and crashing, trying to go slower than they safely can because the normal procedure is a wing rock maneuver. In such a situation, they improvise.
ah yes, the presidential elections...every pilots favorite ******* time Presidential nominees state hopping: "you get a TFR! you get a TFR! YOU GET A TFR!"
TFR's are issued and they expire all the time every day. Out west, there are TFR's all over the place for fires, not to mention stadiums, etc. It's the pilots responsibility to avoid various types of restricted airspace, which has become so easy with cheap and even free technology.
@@SquawkCode Also, presidential and VIP TFR's are usually a lot more annoying than wildfire TFR's because they are usually right over the city and they put them EVERYWHERE. I had to move my flight time around last week because Kamala was in town
@@SquawkCode Well yeah people deal with TFRs all the time however the issue with VIP TFRs is how unnecessary they are. It ends up being an excuse for fighters to practice intercepts.
Foreflight, the FFA's TFR map, and Leidos are all places you can check for TFR's along your intended path. "I didn't know" or "I didn't see it" is gonna be a pretty weak defense.
Good attitude on contact. But TFRs don’t show on radar man, they’re in the NOTAMs. It’s a pain but you really do have to read them if you don’t want an F-16 up your tail!
I haven't flown airplanes in years but I imagine he was coloquially referring to an integrated flight display panel that includes radar. TFRs are almost certainly available there as they are on UAV apps that I use on my smartphone.
It's not really a pain. If you do a flight plan in Foreflight, a list of TFRs is literally the first page of the briefing. If you're old school and do a phone briefing, the briefer will cover the TFRs as part of the standard briefing.
They, as far as I can tell, always show up on my EFB. But also, just call FSS and get a brief. I know it's not cool anymore, but saves you a bunch of hassles.
I'm assuming he was referring to his 'digital flight bag' software, which generally does put overlays of TFRs over the same map, along with weather and traffic.
I hope 28PA took some photos of that F-16, as much as he had to also clear the TFR, and avoid all the trouble he could get himself into, having an F-16 escort you is both scary but quite cool, they pull incredibly high AoA when they intercept slow movers! But at the end of the day, Cherokee pilot did a good thing and stayed calm and didn't make a fuss about it all, hats off, ATC working amazingly as well. Devil got some flight hours too, everyone happy in the end.
Those F16s were probably already airborne out at the range (probably W107 or Warren Grove training) when called to do the intercept. ACY Guard trains there often. Heard tower mentioned being just outside the range when he asked Devil11 to IDENT. I think they only send a two ship up for alert intercepts but this was a four ship of F16s (mentioned when Devil11 requested the Initial).
He should have said jet off my wing that he's arming his Cherokee missiles and going to engage!! lol Always check your NOTAMS, and even skyvector on short or long flights. He did have good attitude about it.
I wonder if the change in times for the NOTAM had anything to do with it being absent from particular sources, assuming this is the case. Sometimes, failures are systemic.
He was probably on CTAF (common traffic advisory frequency), which you use when you are out of controlled area, or not using flight following with ATC. Once he was intercepted, he figured out something was wrong, turned around, and once he was flying north, he looked at the nearest ATC covering the area (Atlantic City), switched to their frequency and called them to ask what's going on.
@vasaviation there was one further south as well, around 3:45-4:15 I think. Entered the TFR from the west, and made it to about Georgetown before being intercepted. I didn't see them, but I saw the interceptor.
-28PA here, I got a jet flying close to me. Is something wrong? > Yes, don't move, don't breathe, don't look at it or you'll get an AIM-9X close to you as well.
N28PA: I got a jet flying close to me. Is something wrong? ACY APP: You're being intercepted for violating TFR. N28PA: I have F-16 on my right, too close for missiles, switching to guns.
Wait...he had flight following and they didn't perhaps mention that he was b-lined for a TFR? In all seriousness, they usually provide TFR updates, but that's because TFRs aren't an everyday occurrence, but still, Atlantic City Approach should've been all alarms that a plane they were flight following went into a TFR...
He didn't have flight following, I tried reaching out to him before he got in the TFR, the F16s involved in this audio weren't the intercept aircraft just recovering to ACY. Also the traffic I issued to them was just an uninvolved Cherokee that I wanted to make sure they didn't hit lol.
It should have shown up on his Foreflight through his ads-b in, but if his device didn’t connect to his ads-b in or he inadvertently had notams or TFRs turned off, than he wouldn’t have seen it.
@@brylozketrzyn no nav aids do, that would take a data link, who no nav aid has. Lots of TFRs are written arround navaids. For example the DC FRZ is a 30 nm circle around the DCA VOR, ( with a exception for JYO) Tune in the DCA DME and you get a indicator of how close you are to unwanted attention .
I actually live about 15 minutes away from Rehoboth, Biden is here pretty much every other weekend. What surprises me is I don’t remember even seeing this on local news, though I guess it wasn’t a huge deal.
The scary part is that these seem to be happening with some regular frequency with incursions into a TFR whether it be a VIP, sporting event or other occasion. All it takes is for one pilot ignoring all the warnings to get either be forced down or shot down because of innocent or accidental reasons. I hope it never happens but all it takes is one person to change a lot of peoples lives with one action.
You have an F-16 off your wing. What could be wrong?
As soon as he saw him he did a 180. He was probably pucker factor 10.
As long as you don't get a "missile lock" tone, you're golden...
@@kaasmeester5903 Don't think his Cherokee has RWR or MAWS xD.
The F-16 off your wing not being the immediate problem tho. The second F-16 that's trailing you at weapon distance is. 🤣
I'd think that would be great! You get a private airshow, up close and everything.
N28PA looking out his window: “What the devil?”
haha nice one
youtube comments dont often make me acutally laugh.. . but you got it.
In a british accent.
😂
This comment sounds like it's straight out of Arrested Development
I mean, if you're going to bust a TFR, having a good attitude about it probably helps.
That's the best way to be. No excuses, he knew he messed up and to just apologize, move on, and follow the instructions. I hope they're not too harsh on him.
Much better than "I've been flying here for 14 years!!!!!"
@@RT-qd8yl Why would they be? It's an honest mistake. It's pilot responsibility to know when and where TFR's will be, and most software used today makes that really easy, but it sounds like the source he relied upon didn't show it.
@@Hasshodo It's still the federal government. 🙃
@@RT-qd8yl And people are people - it will depend entirely on whether the person making the decision is a normal dude who understands mistakes happen, or a boomer asshole who wants to make this a lesson as to why he thinks you should never rely upon technology
A pro controller where one is needed. No emotion, just info and commands. Impressive.
The controller sounds like Jester in Top Gun.
By far, most of them are until the pilot disregards instructions repeatedly, gets nasty, etc. -- at least re MANY videos I've seen on various incidents with small planes.
@@rogergeyer9851 It really helped that this pilot admitted his mistake quickly and was apologetic. ATC didn't have to get defensive.
You all really don’t like emotion. I see the same thing written about police, judges, ATC… it’s getting a little weird and I’m starting to wonder if some folks are a bit insecure when someone raises their voice a little. Once AI takes over, you’ll get your emotion-free lifestyle.
@@TitaniumTurbine emotion has no place in the safe operation of aircraft.
At least the pilot took responsibility and handled his mistake well.
"I didn't see it..." isn't exactly owning it.
@@alanzimmerman3685it’s an honest reply. He didn’t check before he went flying and didn’t know it was a in effect. He messed up but remained professional, did exactly what he needed to and will never do that again
@@alanzimmerman3685 do you want him to give a speech about it on radio?
@@imbaloson the contrary, there was no need to mention any excuse/explanation, just say "my mistake"
@@winningfreak1It seems like maybe his Garmin, etc., wasn’t up-to-date with current TFR’s, and he didn’t check for them the “old school” way.
It sounds like he learned his lesson. I wonder what (if any) TFR will stay in place over Rehoboth after January 20th.
Huge kudos to the pilot for handling the situation MUCH BETTER than most usually do.
Not a lot of room for arguing when you have an F-16 on your tail
@@Lucas-po6mn Exactly
Negative kudos for not monitoring ATC ahead of time
Not trying to explain he is right and controller is wrong is always a good start.
@@Lucas-po6mn
I've thought about what I would say or do if the F-16 pilot were pointing me in one direction while ATC is telling me to turn the other direction.
"Unable. The F-16 is telling me to turn right and she has missiles, so I think I better do what she says."
-28PA here, I got a jet flying close to me. Is something wrong?
>No, its our annual "Let a US Airforce F-16 escort you to your destination" day today. If you like, we can give you the unique opportunity to inspect an AIM-9X missile up close!
I mean, it's pretty clear he understood he was being intercepted, he just didn't know why. I probably would have said something similar in those conditions. Maybe "what did I do wrong" instead of "is something wrong" but that doesn't change the meaning much.
"28PA advising the jet beside me, caution wake turbulence I'm about to go full throttle and leave you in the dust"
"28PA deploying flares"
Hilarious 🙄
@@JoshSwinson-bj5wn it is to everyone but you
His attitude will definitely earn him some credit with the ASI when they investigate, probably just a warning or a quick suspension.
Hope so. He admitted and took the solution right away. Land, call the phone and make things clear. He actually departed again shortly after.
I'm sure they'll do a thorough investigation to make sure he has no connections to anything questionable that might suggest it was intentional. Assuming everything points to an accident, I would expect just a warning.
But does the pilot not risk being charged for the costs of the intervention of the F-16?
@@steveclea977 Doubtful. They wouldn't be able to afford it, anyway.
@@steveclea977 The USAF is paying for that in training flight time when there isn't a mission. There was no or negligible addition cost over normal operations.
"Change of frequency and pants approved..."
No joke. When they said to call after landing, I would ask if I had time to change my pants before calling.
Id be like "yeah uhh can i take some time to Recover after SEEING MY LIFE FLASH BEFORE MY EYES?"
"permission granted"
There's a fighter jet waving at me...what's his problem? Lol😂
F-16: "Hi there. Do you have a minute to talk about our lord and savior, "Sidewinder?" 😁😈
They weren’t there to talk about his extended warranty apparently.
Wave back at him, duh.
They were just trying to tell him his indicator was still on from when he turned into the runway.
"Pull over! Pull over!"
"No, it's a cardigan, but thanks for noticing!"
At least this time it sounds like an honest mistake instead of someone being a dummy.
I'm not sure about that. He was looking for TFR's on his radar. Lol
@@A.J.1656he probably meant to say foreflight, must be scary asf to have a f16 right besides you
My guess would be Foreflight or his GPS has that feature. Either way, over-reliance on technology. Should always consult multiple sources when flight planning and always check with FIS, especially when flying near any large city area.
@@bladi-senpai9398
Probably right that he wasn't actually expecting to ping a TFR on his radar, but that ruins my joke.
I wouldn't be scared of an F16, I'd just get that feeling you get when you heard the PA in the classroom call you to the principal's office. Lol
@@n003lb agreed. Skyvector posts them *days* ahead. Not hard to check
He owned his mistake professionally, good on em! Honesty and accountability can help so much in aviation
Could you imagine suddenly hearing something over your engine, looking left and then seeing an F-16 nose-high off your wing. I imagine it is a wide-eyed double take that starts with scream that requires a mid-scream inhale.
one of the few situations in your life were shitting yourself is acceptable
Unless you're the F-22
He handled it well. Visual with an F16, calmly asks what’s happening, does a quick 180, and maintains good comms throughout. MUCh better than the recent SFO Class B incident👍
apparently started the 180 before being told to.
For that Cherokee pilot, “Aviate Navigate Communicate” suddenly became “Aviate Navigate Defecate”
Noice
Brilliant
First you say it, then you do it.
😂😂😂
HAHAH
We all make mistakes. It's human nature. To accept our mistakes with humility is a core human fundamental that we ALL need to get better at. Shit happens, don't argue, figure out where you made the mistake so they don't happen again.
Kudos to the pilot
Well, that was well handled by everyone at least. Pilot did good acknowledging his mistake.
TFR's can move, cancel, expand, and extend. If you get an abbreviated wx briefing, you are always legally covered, better yet, always request flight following.
What is TFR stand for?
@@_Breakdown I would assume Temporary Flight Restriction, but we'll both find out in a few moments when one of the pro's checks in.
@@_Breakdown Temporary Flight Restriction. Used for when the president or foreign leader is on location, during many sporting events, and if there's a flight hazard such as air shows or a natural disaster. And Disney World has a "Temporary" Flight Restriction that is set to expire when Walt Disney wakes up from his cryochamber or something.
Yes, "Temporary Flight Restriction" and also massively common for firefighting operations. I always have to check for TFR's on my area for that reason alone.
Though my preferred method is to just call up 1800wxbrief and talk to them. CYA and easy to do.
I was curious about Biden’s TFR being several continual days long. I assume the TFR is in effect the entire he is staying in his home in Rehoboth. Is this normal? No flights because Biden is …there? I always assumed TFR’s were used when *moving* a VIP, and not necessarily a required while they’re just in their home?
I stay in Biden’s neighborhood in North Shores. His house has security (as it should). It seems overkill that plans cannot fly just because Biden is there, Biden is just at his home, he isn’t moving around…. Like??
Actually I bet some local businesses lose out on business and pilots have fewer opportunities for income for this. It’s still common practice in Reho to have flying billboards fly back and forth up the coastline trailing a banner advert. They definitely drive business. Anywho this is odd.
He sounds young. Probably soiled his pants seeing that F-16 right next to him.
I was IFR this day listening to this happen out of KOXB. This TFR is notorious for getting those viper pilots extra flight time haha. Alot of agriculture planes get intercepted and our biggest non city airport in Delaware is essentially closed when he's in Rehoboth.
That's the sound of blood running cold. Kudos, he handled it well. Took responsibility and corrected with humility.
Very interesting to note, regarding N999FB… according to ASN, on Sunday, August 11, N999FB (a Beechcraft A36 Bonanza) ditched into Crescent Lake, Florida following an "en route loss of engine power". 😬
yikes bad luck
Surely ran out of fuel? That's a hell of a leg for a Bonanza from Long Island to central Florida.
The way you slowly turned around the plane but just flipped the F16 is kind of funny.
N28PA Requests a little less aggressive in-flight following
Yeah really. The USAF took that flight following request a little too seriously today.
😂
Busting a presidential TFR is quite a mistake to make. But in fairness it seemed like a 100% honest mistake. Turned around, landed and called the number immediately. So all in all no real harm done IMO
I don't know if it's cheap to scramble an F16 to intercept. Probably not.
Yeah just a quick 1500 lbs of fuel, nbd
@@johnbidwell2393 Probably flying BARCAP specifically for this.
But they'll let people sit on a rooftop near the president
@@sublimeadethat guy was out of syllabus
Looking forward to the inverted Polaroid from this encounter.
i laughed way too hard at this
I sure hope 28PA got some good video.
Free Air to Air video with an F16 is priceless..
We may get some actual combat footage soon. We'll see.
@@sntslilhlpr6601 What fear-mongering garbage is this? Russian troll account trying to stoke a fire?
"sweet! Free Airshow!........ Oh, wait a second......"
Is that F-16 flying a 20-degree nose up with flap full😂
I was wondering the same thing....how slow can an F-16 go???
@@TonyXLXL not as slow as that cherokee was flying. So many variables to consider with weight, loadouts, gas on board etc, but that thing would be pointed to the sun at 200kts for sure. **edit** - picked this up from someone who use to intercept cessna's in f-16's over the deserts in Utah:
"Gums" : We used to intercept Cessnas over the desert in Utah. Sometimes the pilot was clueless, other times the pilot was taking a shortcut across the restricted area.
We could get down to about 140 knots using manual flaps (gear up/flaps down). So we would cruise past the guy and let him know we were there. Would also try to get tail number.
No problemo -- it gives the F-16 pilot a chance to practice his High Alpha pass for the next air show. 😁
@@SplashJohn hahaha for sure
Or is he just happy to see me
This is why that outer ring exists. Mistakes happen and it gives honest people a chance to own up and turn around.
Getting told to write down a number by ATC has to be one of the scariest moment for a pilot, probably only surpassed by having a jet intercepting you
Oh the F16 would be orders of magnitude scarier, I'm sure the number was more of a dressing down and a warning to check TFRs in future.
He got the whole brown pants experience!
In this case the pilot solicited the number. He knew it was coming and just wanted the paperwork cleared so he could negotiate his approach to Ocean City.
A good attitude goes such a long way. I applaud the pilot for owning up to his mistake. I would guess he will just get a warning but possible suspension.
There was an even better intercept by Noble on Saturday or Sunday morning. Not sure if ATC ever got in touch, but there were multiple headbutts involved.
Was that the one I heard about near Georgetown?
@@brycenpedrick3880 GED represent
I heard it from my house in Rehoboth, about 2 miles from Biden’s place. Never saw anything but there was quite a bit of rumbling this weekend.
Think the controller meant to say 5 south of cape May Wildwood (WWD) instead of Millville. As MIV is 25 miles north of that position.
Yep, it was strange to me as well.
Yeah I caught that as well.
I go to NJMP a lot and it didn't seem right, thanks for confirming that!
Good catch, my bad.
Living just outside of Ocean City but being familiar with most of South Jersey, I thought it was a little strange. Millville is further northwest than where they were lol
I heard some of this live on Guard while my student was doing the run up.
That's a pretty big whoopsie-doodle.
F-16 is ANG out of ACY and was likely already in the air. Lots of military aircraft airborne around their constantly between ACY, Dover, JB MDL, Norfolk, and the Warren Grove air to ground range. JB Andrews isn’t far for a jet either.
This is why you always check for TFR's before.
So, this is how one summons the devil.
I did most my flying in Northern Canada. Fly for days, never see anyone, or talk to anyone. Just the way I liked it.
I mean, if you’re gonna bust a TFR, he did almost everything right. Knew who to talk to and seemed to immediately turn around. Sounds like a younger pilot. Good lesson. And kept his cool with an F-16 off his wing…
His penetration of the TFR was apparently unintentional, he fessed up, and he had a good attitude. This will go a long way toward preserving his certificate. It can be argued that he violated 91.103 because he obviously was not "... familiar with all available information concerning [the] flight." Just as a CYA, he probably should file a NASA report.
Are ASRS reports still handled by NASA? I vaguely recall something about that changing, but maybe I'm mistaken.
@@TheCablebill According to NASA's website, they still are.
it seems likely he will be fine, although awareness of radio is also important
Had a friend who busted a VIP TFR arround Ft Meede. He flew the same route every day for 2 weeks and then Obama decided to visit FtMeede. He clipped it, passing only a few miles inside the TFR. When he landed ( just minutes latter) the FBO told him to call the FBI at Xxx. Probally the NCRCC, the agent seemed very familiar with aviation, knew he had flown same route the day before, and said if he filled a good ASRS report, and kept his nose clean for 1 year, the USG would forebear enforcement.
Best ATC male voice. Dude reminds me of COD 3 mission
2:26 …. “It was at that time He knew, he Fk’d up” ….. ohhh boy, TFR’s are NOT to be messed with. 😂 ❤
"Im sorry, the TFR didnt show up on my radar" (Whatever that means). Also, I bet he glances at FF every flight going forward.
i assume he meant the Foreflight overlay that displays TFRs
@@soccerguy2433 Oh I know, it just made me laugh. Piper running radar.... :)
Or FF or Flight Service.
TFR’s show up on radar? Wow!
great thumbnail! The bike is a nice touch.
“Would you intercept me?…..I’d intercept me..”
(Habitual Line Crosser fans will get the reference 😂)
You have won the internet today! Thank you for that laugh.
it wasn't the kid tho...
@@JackBauerArg the kid's still on that vegan intercept diet of balloons. Franklin's working on it, though 😂
I thought "Silence of the Lambs"
This was probably Franklin running a distraction.
System worked exactly as intended. Intercepted in outer ring. Mistake identified, no real harm done.
I added a checklist item during my pre-engine start list that is: TFRs and NOTAMs checked.
Yes we do it prior to getting in the plane, but that item is to remind me to ensure my EFB overlays are turned on, and nothing new has popped up along my route.
Learned that one myself after almost busting a sports stadium TFR.
My office was above the hanger where f-16's of the 132nd fighter wing were parked. Walking up to one the first time made the hair on my arms stand on end. I can't imagine being on the wrong end of one would be like.
hanger ?
@@ricm96 I don't even know 'er
That is unfortunate. Easily done I’m afraid. I’m sure this guy will be back flying in no time. Always check the notams and don’t rely on an iPad.
"Tower, 28PA. I have a jet on my six. Is there a problem?"
"28PA, Tower. Negative. Just hit the brakes and he'll fly right by."
We witnessed this like on Sept 14, 2001. A putt putt plane defied no fly and up on its tail came an F16 zipped in front of it, did a vertical with after burner. In front of that plane. Well, putt putt plane slowly turned around and headed to local airfield. 'Oops, I was just coming to get my daughter from college." Three days after 9/11 when no air traffic at all allowed? Right....
If it is the incident in South TX, they lived on a ranch and weren’t aware of 9-11 happening. Just doing their weekly VFR trip for groceries.
@@molotovEOD Can afford a pilots license and an aircraft but not a radio or TV to stay up to speed on current events. And obviously also doesn't read newspapers...
Some rancher that must have been.
I saw something similar in Simi Valley on 9/13 after the skies had gone quiet all of a sudden I heard jet off in the distance and when I went outside I saw a Cessna 182 at about 1500" the jet was an F-16 out of Pt.Mugu. it made a pass nose high and slow but the 182 didn't change course.
The next pass the F-16 made from over the top and did a burst of about 12 flares. The cessna banked right Hard and past 90% he almost went into a spin. I would have loved to heard that ATC tape.😂
"I thought that restriction was just for the _airlines..."_
@@Quotenwagnerianer we have a ranch in South Texas larger than Rhode Island or Luxembourg. They own aircraft to get to town and for transportation, not as a toy. 138 King Ranches would be larger than Germany. Perhaps they don’t get cell phone coverage, and the internet wasn’t as easy to access in rural areas 23 years ago… and they didn’t want to fly to the “front gate” to get a news paper that week.
N28PA handled it professionally!… Minus the pre flight.
-28PA here, I got a jet flying close to me. Is something wrong?
-Funny you should say that because... possible pilot deviation, recommend you call...
Pilot had a better attitude than some of the controllers on here recently.
You know you are in trouble when the intercepting plane is “Devil”💀
That must be extremely difficult for an F16 to fly slowly enough to intercept a GA aircraft. Full flaps, gear down, stall buffet.
No, You don't have to fly alongside to do the intercept.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 Hmm, I thought the process was to pull up on the pilot side and rock the wings. Then if they don't respond, pull away and buzz them across the nose a couple of times. So what is the process?
@@tommaxwell429
In this situation they would fly past it repeatedly, basically flying circles around it, anything to get the pilots attention.
Some aircraft can fly as low as nearly 0. Have ever seen the STOL competitions? An F16 or any other aircraft is not going to risk stalling and crashing, trying to go slower than they safely can because the normal procedure is a wing rock maneuver. In such a situation, they improvise.
Welp...that's the coolest callsign I've ever heard in my life. Military rocks the callsign game.
ah yes, the presidential elections...every pilots favorite ******* time
Presidential nominees state hopping: "you get a TFR! you get a TFR! YOU GET A TFR!"
TFR's are issued and they expire all the time every day. Out west, there are TFR's all over the place for fires, not to mention stadiums, etc. It's the pilots responsibility to avoid various types of restricted airspace, which has become so easy with cheap and even free technology.
@@SquawkCode I was....just making a joke. I know
@@SquawkCode Also, presidential and VIP TFR's are usually a lot more annoying than wildfire TFR's because they are usually right over the city and they put them EVERYWHERE. I had to move my flight time around last week because Kamala was in town
@@SquawkCode Well yeah people deal with TFRs all the time however the issue with VIP TFRs is how unnecessary they are. It ends up being an excuse for fighters to practice intercepts.
It's even worse around here because Biden and Trump both have residences in the area and also both go up to NYC
I’m glad he didn’t get the book thrown at him. Probably not many hours.
Foreflight, the FFA's TFR map, and Leidos are all places you can check for TFR's along your intended path. "I didn't know" or "I didn't see it" is gonna be a pretty weak defense.
Google TFR map before you fly.. probably not quite as up to date as a actual flight briefing, but helpful!
- So you wanna race, huh?
Proceeds to turn on fast and furious music full blast!
Seriously though, kudos on the pilot for his good attitude.
Pilot: Yeah, I'm really, really sorry.
ATC: Yeah, here's the number let me know when you're ready to copy.
Good attitude on contact. But TFRs don’t show on radar man, they’re in the NOTAMs. It’s a pain but you really do have to read them if you don’t want an F-16 up your tail!
I haven't flown airplanes in years but I imagine he was coloquially referring to an integrated flight display panel that includes radar. TFRs are almost certainly available there as they are on UAV apps that I use on my smartphone.
It's not really a pain. If you do a flight plan in Foreflight, a list of TFRs is literally the first page of the briefing. If you're old school and do a phone briefing, the briefer will cover the TFRs as part of the standard briefing.
They, as far as I can tell, always show up on my EFB. But also, just call FSS and get a brief. I know it's not cool anymore, but saves you a bunch of hassles.
@@JoshuaTootell Yeah, not sure where being intercepted by an F-16 in a PA28 comes on the cool scale, could be argued either end 🤣
I'm assuming he was referring to his 'digital flight bag' software, which generally does put overlays of TFRs over the same map, along with weather and traffic.
After that intercept I wonder if his order of operation was - Land, change underwear, make phone call
I hope 28PA took some photos of that F-16, as much as he had to also clear the TFR, and avoid all the trouble he could get himself into, having an F-16 escort you is both scary but quite cool, they pull incredibly high AoA when they intercept slow movers! But at the end of the day, Cherokee pilot did a good thing and stayed calm and didn't make a fuss about it all, hats off, ATC working amazingly as well. Devil got some flight hours too, everyone happy in the end.
Those F16s were probably already airborne out at the range (probably W107 or Warren Grove training) when called to do the intercept. ACY Guard trains there often. Heard tower mentioned being just outside the range when he asked Devil11 to IDENT. I think they only send a two ship up for alert intercepts but this was a four ship of F16s (mentioned when Devil11 requested the Initial).
He should have said jet off my wing that he's arming his Cherokee missiles and going to engage!! lol Always check your NOTAMS, and even skyvector on short or long flights. He did have good attitude about it.
Holy smokes, I couldn’t even imagine the fear and anxiety you would feel when seeing a casual F-16 sidled up next to you!!
Best energy of the entire season
*We need Dashcams for GA*
And that's the day he pooped his shorts while flying. Going to be telling that story for years.
Very refreshing to have someone own up to a mistake. Well done 28PA
I wonder if the change in times for the NOTAM had anything to do with it being absent from particular sources, assuming this is the case. Sometimes, failures are systemic.
Magically starts answering on frequency once he sees a fighter jet. Smh
He was probably on CTAF (common traffic advisory frequency), which you use when you are out of controlled area, or not using flight following with ATC. Once he was intercepted, he figured out something was wrong, turned around, and once he was flying north, he looked at the nearest ATC covering the area (Atlantic City), switched to their frequency and called them to ask what's going on.
this is why we check foreflight or skyvector while planning our flights kids
@vasaviation there was one further south as well, around 3:45-4:15 I think. Entered the TFR from the west, and made it to about Georgetown before being intercepted. I didn't see them, but I saw the interceptor.
I'm almost positive it was on Dover Approach.
What date?
@@VASAviation Sorry, I've been away at a wedding since making this comment. It was Sunday, August 11th.
-28PA here, I got a jet flying close to me. Is something wrong?
> Yes, don't move, don't breathe, don't look at it or you'll get an AIM-9X close to you as well.
Ive actually had 1 navigation gps show a TFR and the other did not so i can see how could happen
Saying the TFR was not on his radar seems a bit far fetched. He should have done better planning.
What kind of radar is on a PA28 that shows TFRs??
Pilot: “Is something wrong?”
F-16: “Negative our weapons system is fine, we have radar lock, master arm is on”.
Takes flight following to a new level.
Even if you're just flying locally vfr, always check what's going on around.
Sweet, must be a new garmin update to see TFRs on the moving map.
N28PA: I got a jet flying close to me. Is something wrong?
ACY APP: You're being intercepted for violating TFR.
N28PA: I have F-16 on my right, too close for missiles, switching to guns.
He better get that radar in his plane checked.
Wait...he had flight following and they didn't perhaps mention that he was b-lined for a TFR? In all seriousness, they usually provide TFR updates, but that's because TFRs aren't an everyday occurrence, but still, Atlantic City Approach should've been all alarms that a plane they were flight following went into a TFR...
I don't think he had it until he was intercepted and told to squawk. I think he was VFR initially. But I'm not expert.
He didn't have flight following. He essentially was given flight following without requesting it when he finally contacted them.
He didn't have flight following, I tried reaching out to him before he got in the TFR, the F16s involved in this audio weren't the intercept aircraft just recovering to ACY. Also the traffic I issued to them was just an uninvolved Cherokee that I wanted to make sure they didn't hit lol.
99FB either trying to help the Cherokee out or making sure it isn't them making a problem
Did ATC try calling on the guard frequency?
Most likely yes.
Meow.
We did but stopped as the F16s who were intercepting (not the ones from the video) were reaching out and we didn't want to step on them.
Any idea of day and time this happened? I was at Cape May last weekend and a fighter jet did a low fly over the beach.
he must’ve been shaking that’s why he decided to land
Fun fact: Radars don't paint TFR's.
Radars don't. Some navaids can. Every drone pilot can use a map with realtime TFR updates
He likely meant either EFB or GPS thinking they'd show up like restricted areas do
It should have shown up on his Foreflight through his ads-b in, but if his device didn’t connect to his ads-b in or he inadvertently had notams or TFRs turned off, than he wouldn’t have seen it.
@@brylozketrzyn no nav aids do, that would take a data link, who no nav aid has. Lots of TFRs are written arround navaids. For example the DC FRZ is a 30 nm circle around the DCA VOR, ( with a exception for JYO) Tune in the DCA DME and you get a indicator of how close you are to unwanted attention .
@@country_boy9180 GTN Xi, targeted for small aircrafts seems to have one. However you still have to sync the database via external connected device
That TFR has been in effect nearly every weekend for 3.5 years. 🤦♂️
Gotta pull out all stops to protect the big guy.
I actually live about 15 minutes away from Rehoboth, Biden is here pretty much every other weekend. What surprises me is I don’t remember even seeing this on local news, though I guess it wasn’t a huge deal.
I got a jet off my wing, did I do something wrong? 🤣
The devil's in the details 😏. Best wishes N28PA, on lesson learned 😉..
The scary part is that these seem to be happening with some regular frequency with incursions into a TFR whether it be a VIP, sporting event or other occasion. All it takes is for one pilot ignoring all the warnings to get either be forced down or shot down because of innocent or accidental reasons. I hope it never happens but all it takes is one person to change a lot of peoples lives with one action.