Piper PA-32 VIOLATES PRESIDENTIAL TFR near Philadelphia
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I like how he goes from saying “military aircraft” to “military armed aircraft” to try and get them to cooperate.
next step would be "angry armed military aircraft"
@@Petr75661 "Mad" works better imo.
'aircraft'
'military aircraft'
'armed military aircraft'
'MULTIPLE ARMED MILITARY AIRCRAFT'
'MULTIPLE ARMED MILITARY AIRCRAFT AND ANTI-AIR INSTALLATIONS'
They saw the plane about to dip into the inner ring and would very much like to avoid the paperwork that comes with that
Eh they have shot down pilots before in the us… an Apache shot a Cessna down with a hellfire once for entering and not responding in a airspace. A lot of civilians don’t get it
How to get landing preference at philly international? Violate a presidential TFR! hahaha.
I noticed that as well. Apparently he held up two others waiting to takeoff.
I think you’re on to something😂😂😂
Probably preferred parking too, with helpful black SUV's to meet him on the ramp.
@@steven7650 and that's just a congratulatory phone call waiting for him! ;)
But watch out for the guys in suits & sunglasses talking into their sleeves...
Proceed as requested (to Noble 01): translation- do whatever the heck you want.
Request to expedite climb: Translation- I'm going vertical with my afterburner lit.
That's exactly what I imagined when he mentioned wanting clearance to cap.
I also like how he said to PUBLISHED cap, clearly the real cap is higher than that.
Ahhh….. that must of been some sight…..
Yeah, you know he lit the candle and went vertical. Noble 01 was at FL12 before she gave him clearance.
@@repatch43 "This isn't even 1% of my true power"
Literally what he meant.
things you never want to hear
" i'm pregnant, it's your best friends"
And definitely , an armed f16 calling you a target of interest.
How does one cheat “not on purpose”?
@@martinc.720 they don't. Doesn't mean that excuse isn't used though lol
"I've got a number for you to copy."
There's another too, Bingo fuel over there middle of nowhere.
@@n35ql It’s clear you don’t understand the term. Bingo fuel doesn’t mean you’re out, it means you have the minimum amount of fuel to fly back to the field and conduct a safe landing from your current point. So hearing bingo fuel over the middle of nowhere is fine, just turn it around and fly economically back.
Twr: ready to take down number.
Pilot:’Thats a permanent negative.
"Noble 01, Fox 2."
Probably did have a pen and paper. His license is toast.
@@gjsthreefoursevinoneone8945 Came to say the same thing.
@Philip Noah Yes always fly the airplane that’s true, but not responding to a pair of F16s interception by tuning in guard is a bit different than your run of the mill accidental skirting of some controlled airspace. I’m pretty sure the FAA wouldn’t wait months to contact this guy, and he’s lucky he didn’t have law enforcement waiting for him on the ground.
@@kurtisf3366 He probably did have law enforcement meet him. I bet that's why he was directed to land at Philly
My flight school is dangerously close to the Kennedy Space Center, back when the shuttles were operating out of there it was always a good idea to get radar flight following. Also military jets didn't have the desired effect in intercepts. The pilots were too curious to be scared. So they used King Airs with the letters FAA written on the windows on the side. That scared pilots.
So they rather chance a missile to the tail than paperwork?
I don't think they realized the F16 might shoot them down.
@@uditabhattacharya2824
When was the last time someone was actually shot down?
I think they don't fear it because they know it never actually happens...
Too bad you have to join the military to even have a chance to fly those planes lol
Can a F16 even fly slow enough to keep pace with a cessna?
If not something like a V22 would probably work better
That controllers voice though when he finally comes up on frequency. Her tone is just like "Oh, so nice of you to show up. Now get the f*ck out of that TFR!"
😂😂😂😂
she sounded like she was laughing too. Prolly thinking "This poor idiots got 2 F-16s loaded up with full battle rattle probably scared out of his mind in a TFR let me just go ahead and clear him in and get him outta there"
“Clear to the outer ring of TFR” (maybe a slight giggle at the end?, hard to tell).
Thanks for the laugh.
I fly in the area and recognize her voice. She’s a pro. Handled very professsionally.
“…advise when you’re ready to copy a phone number for when you’re on the ground.”
Every pilots nightmare
This sounds stupid but why did they give a phone number? My guess is disciplinary but not sure
@@dubFROGGY300 disciplinary. If he doesn't call that number, he'll get a call and no longer have a license probably. Calling that number, he has a lot of explaining for why he violated the airspace, if he explains well he'll just get a slap on the wrist, if he doesn't, then fines and a possible loss of license.
After the call to the FAA
This is Agent Franks from the U.S Secret Service, Prepare to have your fingernails ripped out one by ine
@@dubFROGGY300 It's basically for them to make clear to a pilot a report is filed and what the following procedure is.
"Request expedite climb"
"Approved"
"Hell yeah"
*Full afterburner vertical climb*
Being a fighter pilot would be a hell of a profession.
Yvan eht nioj....
Space Shuttle mode activated.
@@fallinginthed33p (inner airforceproud95 intensifies)
Speaking as a former F-18 pilot, I’ll put it this way. Going through flight training, I would’ve given my right nut for a single seat fighter. By then end of my time in the Navy, I was ready to give my left nut just to get the hell out. Only the government could figure out how to ruin flying single seat fighters
@@brucemaccallan4721 I'm interested, how did the government make it miserable?
The ATC sounds 100% done with 074 after the second negative, lol.
@Philip Noah So many people forget this. Anything you say can also be used against you. Of course call the tower if its something minor and they might want to share something with you, but if its serious call your lawyer first.
@@terrydavis8451 Yeah, anything that rises to the level of dealing with a presidential TFR and being intercepted with F-16s seems like it would necessitate the presence of counsel. I'd call them to acknowledge that I received their message but I think I'd politely tell them that I decline to provide a statement without legal advice.
to be fair he's 1000 ft above the ground, traffic and obstacles around. That is a bad time to ask a single pilot to copy phone numbers.
Ahh, the pilots that THINK that they have a RIGHT to fly. So sad.
@Philip Noah anti-authority. Thats something pilots are taught not to be.
"request expedited climb" "approved" *goes straight up*
SoftTaco95 would be proud ;p
Contact NASA at 124.5
the number when you're ready to copy.
1-202--UAR-FUKD
1-215-FUBAR😂👀
LOL!
What happens if you don't call?
@@HobbyOrganist I guess for stuff like this you get pretty hefty charges
@@HobbyOrganist inncoennt till proven aand 5th ameendmmaant...but agency cann still yank your creditenials
@@HobbyOrganist then the nice men storming your plane when it touches down will get you in contact with whoever you're supposed to call.
He bounced right off the inner ring, must be a force field.
That's what they spend all the money on. When it is in operation it makes this loud growling tone. Very scary sound unless you're operating it.
@@noecarrier5035 so it's like the smoke monster from lost?
@@X150t More like a snake. It think it's called a Sidewinder or a Fox 2. I know there is a growl, then a hiss, then a bang.
@@John_Be Sidewinder’s Fox 2, and if you hear that call, it’s already on its way.
That's probably the "shoot em down" circle. Lmao
funny how having two fighter jets circling him made him turn on his radio :)
He could have taken them both on 😂😂
@@davidwebb4904 With a barrel roll
@@davidwebb4904 I mean, maybe. The Piper probably has a lower stall speed than they do.
@@omnishambles5110 yeah but all they have to do is pull away and send a missile at you from 5 miles. You may be able to go slower than them, but you definitely cant out run them to get away.
Slow to 50 knots and start blasting out the window as the over shoot
"Noble zero-one." Military aircraft have the coooolest callsigns.
a bunch of CF-18s flew in to YVR a couple months ago and they were callled Cougar 33 and Cougar 34
I’m a KC-135 crew chief and the crews are usually nicknamed like Shocker __ or something like that
that's cause they (air force or navy pilots) are typically allowed to come up with their own, or so i've heard. in the army, which callsign i used (or what our air component used, for that matter) was dictated by who i was talking to, and it could get quite long... as my callsign not only identifies my unit, but also my place in the unit.
vehicle internal coms dont necessitate a callsign, names are fine. i guess officially, it would just be by position for most of us (gunner, driver, dismounts,) except the vehicle commander, who would just be addressed as is proper for his rank. to those in my troop, i was "white 5 golf". gunner of third platoon, track 5. to the squadron, i'd be "blackfoot white 5 golf." the blackfoot signifies i was bravo troop. outside of the squadron, i'd have to get stupid with something like "saber blackfoot white 5 golf." "saber" reveals i was division recon, 4/7 cav. kind of nice we were the only cav unit in the local part of the division, no one to challenge us for "saber." thankfully, in almost every situation i'd be restricted to squadron coms at highest. most often, i wouldent be higher than troop coms.
well, except during the period i was "saber TOC." i think i only ever used that one once. word of advice to any young soldiers reading this: never let yourself get forced into getting a truck license. you'll get shitcanned to do the worst duty automatically, because magically everyone else with a truck license has some excuse on why they cannot be assigned to that worst duty.
we were, however, allowed to name our vehicles. i forget what the "official" name of my track was, it was always "betty" to me. a tank crew had the best one, though: "beer bitch."
@@rakninja typically the aircrews in on the jet I work on is assigned call signs for their missions. For example if they are deploying they are “Reach” jets and local sorties will be Shocker or whatever. The pilots themselves might have call signs but I’ve heard they usually get given those for jokes.
Best call sign is vampire. I think it's the F117's out of MS
3:59 ATC: "You are cleared into the Philly Bravo airspace as well as the outer ring of the TFR"
N43074: "Cleared into the Bravo as well as the..., wait.... what TFR?"
That's what I don't understand, he could have cleared into the outer ring of the TFR, why didn't he.
some pilots are just moran's
@@myaccount9745 PLEASE tell me you wrote "moran's" ironically...
@@michaeldunn1754 that's how it's spelled you moran
@@asharktank4788 🤣
ATC - the last TFR you will be flying though. We have the shredder standing by for your ticket.
I love how she had to struggle a bit to say the "possible" part of "possible pilot deviation".
I’m just curious why they block out tower and tracon/Artccnumbers. They are public…. Can find them numerous places. AOPA, FAA so many places.
@@idkjames Probably just to avoid stupid trolls. Yes, you can find them easily, but that requires effort and knowledge of what exactly you're looking for. Omitting them from the recording and transcript causes no loss of context.
"It's *possible* that you deviated two F-16 pilots into a scramble. Let me know when you're ready for that number now, y'hear?"
@@OUdarling they said cap. I'm assuming they were already there.
Also when she cleared him into bravo there was a hint of "you're cleared for that, but you're still fucked" in her voice.
At least he got a Bravo clearance unlike N1NR 🤣
N1SP is the State Police helicopter.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@RacingProductions22 he’s talking about a pilot that willfully busted Las Vegas bravo airspace.
@@this_is_kb4968 Oh, My mistake.
Lmao
I want to be a lot of things in life, but never a TOI.
n00b here, what is a TOI? Thank you!
@@John-gm5mf Appears to be Target of Interest.
@@mattheweadams @John or "Track of Interest".
I wouldn't want the title "Target" either.
LOL'd hard
"TFR violation. You are ordered to land immediately."
"I cAn'T! I'm FlYiNg!"
Land now
No
Yes
Ok *heads nose first into the ground* because I heard someone say "a good landing is when a plane is on the ground and stopped, no matter the condition of the passengers or the plane itself at that point in time".
I love how that idiot is the butt of so many jokes.
The thing that struck me most about this interaction was after ATC and the pilot were talking, ATC was totally cool and nice to the pilot. No reason to stress him out when he's setting up for landing, especially when it was clear he wasn't a bad guy.
i mean yea i get it, but you're taking a pilot's perspective on the situation. what if you sat in a tower all day looking at screens to make sure people dont die, and theres a pilot inside an area nobody is supposed to fly, and as youre trying to do your job to contact them, they just arent answering (for many minutes that have been cut out)..so while your wondering whats going on, military jets are scrambling to intercept, and now the plans for all your other planes that you're responsible for need their plans changed, but then the pilot randomly answers and acts nonchalant and even dismissive. its his responsibility to know where hes flying and he didnt do his job. sure he shouldnt get berated over the radio, but the dude fucked up and then acted like she was inconveniencing him....
@@Bbfishman It is the responsibility of both ATC and pilot to remain calm and cool, no matter the situation. I don't understand your complaint as you seem to want something that would degrade the situation.
@@Bbfishman just like the one controller said, take care of it on the ground. In the air, stay cool and get the work done.
How do you know he isn't a "bad guy" . You have no clue of his intentions. Maybe he shit his pants when reality hit him. Who TF knows. Clearly he has no clue WTF he is doing and is a danger to others at best.
@@danielrn133 lmao, that plane flies that same path all the time.
Around 2002/2003, I happened to be near Crawford, Texas, on the ground inside a TFR, in the middle of the night. I happened to have some NVGs that I could occasionally see the F-16s circling above thru some light clouds (obviously they were just fast moving specs in the NVGs due to their altitude). Since it was in the middle of the night, the F-16s were intentionally being as quiet as possible when coming on/off station.
Suddenly, you could hear the falcons come screaming down from the high altitude. One of the F-16s deployed flares and I could suddenly make out a cargo jet flying low/close enough for me to tell it was an Airbus and that it looked like a UPS logo on the tail.
Apparently the pilot thought he could make up some time by taking a "shortcut" that he'd routinely taken over the years and hadn't bothered to check the NOTAMS.
That's the location of GW's ranch, right?
@@wintercomesearly mhmm
i'd bet that made him wizz his pants
@@gajeel-of-ironredfox3350 Possibly a number two as well.
UPS plane guy should have been a B-1 Lancer pilot.
Getting that message from the control tower (here is the phone number you need to contact once you land) is like your teacher reading a message in front of the class that you need to see the principal. Everyone knows you eff'd up.
that's like when my old history teacher would write 1-800-CALL-MOM on the chalkboard and would write your name underneath it. If your name was still underneath it at the end of the class period, you're basically dead.
I'm just disappointed that we never get to hear the recorded phone calls. The groveling has to be epic in some of these cases
Take a look at Harrison Ford's mishap when you landed on taxiway Charlie, that phone call was recorded and released.
@@JacobConkin Yea I heard it, but that was the exception. If there is a repository for all these calls, I'd like to find it. And the Harrison Ford one was exactly as described, a lot of groveling. I know if I did something like that, I'd probably be begging too.
@@funkyzero www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident
Not really. It was likely just a "Hey, my bad. This is what was happening. Sorry. Won't happen again."
In a case like this the talk with FAA is the least of your concern. The talk with the Secret Service is gonna be super uncomfortable.
Always fascinating to hear these TFRs and how everyone adapts to it, or rather doesn't.
@Philip Noah same with xi jin ping
There's usually several TFR's across the USA at any given moment, so it's not unreasonable to glance at them before flying. If anything looks like it might be near where you are, click on it to read the full notam. It might just be fireworks or an airshow, but it might also be to avoid an ancient like this one, where an investigation will no doubt be stressful at best case.
@Philip Noah Everyone within a hundred miles of PHL/ILG knows about the TFRs. They're the bane of the anti-iPad anti-Rotax steam gauge VFR-only boomer and pushed non-school instructors out of the area. They've been detrimental to outer ring and even nearby outside fields and have essentially destroyed N57. LOM sucks but OQN is restricted so often. Small online amphib charter ops were starting to take off before the coof and boomed in 2020 but the TFRs murdered 9N2, no way to hitch onto that boom.
@@CameTo I didn't know they did them for fireworks but that makes a lot of sense
To be fair it’s not their actions it’s secret service and FAA policies that fuck with everyone else.
I like the slight giggle in the controllers voice as she said cleared through the outer ring of the TFR.... I wonder if this clueless one even caught it then that he was about to hate life
How is he going to 'hate life'? He's going to get a stern talking to and then maybe an investigation? Oh no, how horrible.
@@USN1985dos and a possible certificate suspension or revocation.
@@StrokeMahEgo boohoo i can't make a shit salary flying this toothpaste tube full of a stinky travelers anymore waahhh i hate my life
@@USN1985dos they'll clip his wings bruh
@@StrokeMahEgo big deal
Oh wow, honey look at those F-16's there must be an airshow happening, why is he flying off my wing rocking side to side??? Oh s**t
oh look honey he's let off a smaller plane from his wi... bang
The best was when some 80 something year-old lady had vipers circling her cub and when she landed at her house the local sheriff ask if she saw them and she replied "yes I bet they were just checking out my little cub. It won the blue ribbon in Oshkosh back 1988 don't you know."
You think he saw the falcons and was like, yeah it is a pretty sweet piper ain't it guys
I can get 9 miles to the gallon on this hog
@@DavidVerret lol
That definitely happened
The two falcons were amazed and bedazzled by the Piper.
NOBLE 01: N01 at 2200 Requesting expedited climb to 12000
TOWER: N01 You can expedite your climb to 12000
NOBLE01: (30 Secs later) Thanks, N01 Leveling off at 12000
30 sec? Yeah right, more like 5 sec.
I flew backseat in an F-16D, did a max climb takeoff and man i tell you we went from about 100' to 15,000' in less than 10 seconds. It's like being a in a rocket ship
TOWER: NO1 possible pilot deviation, advise you contact......lol
@@thort9ac Tower, Noble 01, why don't you copy down my ground speed check instead BYYYYEEEEEEEEE
@6:13 you can hear the afterburner burning due to the difference in sound…pretty bad as:-)
Not many chances in the AF for air-to-air combat these days. You gotta take your kills where you can find them. “This headdress looking one is for the Cherokee I shot down over Philly. Bad day, that.”
A PA-32 would look kinda lame as a pilot-side killmark decal on an F-16 though. Kinda like hunting a city park squirrel with a .308
@@suzukirider9030 well, there’s that…
BAHAHAHAH omg LOL
I appreciate the visual image.
It has dawned on me that the pa32 pilot missed a last chance for a quick selfie with a missile.
At least the F-16 pilots got to zap back up to their ceiling. Imagine having to climb like a regular plane 😎
I’d totally request that too. Expedited climb? Why yea I will ask!
Tower, permission to have some fun on duty?
I fly / train in San Diego next to and over MCAS Miramar -- always treated to an "airshow"!
Noble 01, fly heading....well, I suppose it doesn't really matter when your nose is pointed straight up at the sky...
For absolutely no purpose. They are beating on the aircraft for zero tactical purpose. If they get up to 12,000 a minute later it's not going to change anything.
I used to fly out of Montgomery in San Diego and if you were doing touch and go circuits, you’d get Tomcats and Hornets flying parallel a couple miles to port at the same altitude as they went into Miramar. It was incredible to watch but also made me feel like I was walking near a cheetah that could kill me in the blink of an eye.
I went to UC San Diego, and their training route out over the ocean takes them over the top of UC San Diego. The professors have to stop talking. There's no point. Can't hear the person sitting next to you. Kind of exciting though.
@@elizabeth5985 If you were there 30 years ago, operations out of Miramar were MUCH more intensive, you'd have to stop 7-8 times a day. in case you were there, do you recall an audio art sculpture at UCSD that was some speakers playing an audio loop of a monologue next to a path through eucalyptus trees by the library? The monologue started out with "The jets fly overhead every day, and they are F-14 Tomcats..." It goes on to verbally read out their specifications while being interrupted every few lines by the sound of jet engines. It was kind of a haunting and disturbing piece, but I can't find any info on it anymore
@@jaywung7616 Yep! Back when it was NAS Miramar and Top Gun was based there, it truly was "Fightertown". They had everything from Tomcats to Hornets, A-4s, F-5s, A-6s, A-7s, F-4s, S-3s. It was heaven.
Thats awesome. My father and I trained at KCRQ. I just did my solo XC today! small world
@@CrosswindSurfer Many congrats! Have a long and safe flying career 😎👍
That dude was shitting his pants when he heard the phone number. When you get the phone number you know you screwed up.
Watched this happen from the ground a couple decades ago. The President was visiting nearby, and I was walking between classes and heard unusual aircraft noise, looked up to see a pair of F16s dropping red flares in front of an antique aircraft. Aircraft immediately landed at the nearest airport and was gang-tackled by police as he stepped out of his plane. Turned out to be an old guy flying NORDO in a really old airplane and didn't check his TFRs. The red flares being dropped in his path by the fully-armed fighter jets did communicate the situation to him well enough. Oof!
How much you want to bet he got working radios after that?
Probably no need to tackle the dude at that point. I get that violating TFR’s is never a good thing, but a perceived potential threat of a a lot different than an actual one
@@cgfacer3022 I agree. It was probably as much performance as anything - "Look what happens if you break a presidential security zone!"
It happened near where I live a few years ago when Obama was visiting and they had a TFR. It happened to be near the 4th of July and a helicopter came into the TFR, wouldn't answer the radio, and two F-16 showered him with flares, and everyone thought it was part of the 4th of July celebration.
Not nearly as dramatic, but I recorded radio traffic years ago when George W. Bush came to town and they were warning numerous aircraft on 121.5 that they were about to violate restricted airspace. Never heard any F-16 intercepts though.
@@dx1450 this was W also, he was visiting Jacksonville OR for a rally, flew to KMFR for the occasion.
That's definitely a big oops moment, being intercepted by an armed military aircraft
Atleast he wasn't on the brink of Russian airspace and thought to be a US spyplane, with no tracers in the belt for effective warning shots. Can't fault the pilot though, he had his orders.
He got his own personal air show.
* two.....armed aircraft
@@lagon7830 So if you were ordered to murder 300 innocent people, you'd do it because "you had your orders"??
@@kurttappe The pilot, like his command, believed the aircraft to be a US spyplane. Now, it's debated whether the plane was even in Russian airspace, and whether they had the right to fire on the plane, whether a spyplane or not.
2 major things secured the lost planes fate. Firstly, the lack of tracers in the belt, meaning the warning shot was useless. Secondly, the climb was seen as an evasive maneuver.
It's simply not rational to fault the pilot who was told it was a US spyplane in Russian airspace, who was ordered to fire.
This is why I was always taught as a student to use flight following on any cross country flights. Gets you talking to ATC, and gets you a squawk code…I’m only a 300 hour pilot and will almost always use flight following or just file IFR so I’m in communication with SOMEONE during my flight…
It can be nice sometimes to have someone in your ear, but if you're on a tourism flight it can be distracting and mildly frustrating keeping in contact with ATC and filing an appropriate plan for such flights. Sometimes you just wanna fly around, y'know?
@@YodaWasSith agreed. I actually flew my plane Saturday…didn’t talk to anyone and it was quite nice haha
Does it cost money or something to get flight following? I would have thought all planes landing at a different airport from where they took off would talk to ATC and have to get vectors for everything?
@@warmlandmobilebrakes There are procedures every pilot has to follow for certain airports. Some are more simple than others. It costs no money to request flight following.
During VFR conditions you don't need an air traffic controller to tell you how to get to an airport. You can use GPS, you can identify landmarks, or you can use whatever means of circumnavigating to your destination you so choose.
If you have the equipment and the ability to request flight following, you can, and should be aware it's available to you should you need it. You have to request vectors from ATC if you need them, and that's not uncommon to do.
@@YodaWasSith appreciate the reply!
I like how after the first couple mentioned the started adding 'armed' to the military aircraft description, just to make the point that they can and will shoot you out of the sky if it comes to that.
Plot twist: 074 was a Russian spy plane.
Why should they shoot you just for busting a little restricted area??
@@saschala2921 it's restricted for a reason, and those jets are loaded with lives for a reason lol
@@saschala2921 Because if they don't what's the point of a restricted area? I mean the whole point is the security of the POTUS, they wouldn't make a restricted area if there was no chance of a threat.
@@saschala2921 Because you're in a flying missile.
Huge Kudos the the controllers, calm, professional, helping to reduce the stress even when someone screws up. Total Pro's
I love the change in Philly Approach's tone when they finally call in. It's the perfect combination of relief and exasperation
Busy day in Philly today. A no clearance takeoff and they rolled emergency vehicles this morning for something too. Can see the whole field from my hotel room.
1) How in the world does somebody not check the NOTAMs (or just use skyvector or any of the dozens free websites and apps) knowing that he will fly in that kind of airspace?
2) Even without the TFR, it greatly bothers me that this guy was well within the veil of the KPHL Bravo airspace, but obviously flying under the shelf (he descends from 2200 to 1800 where the B goes down to 2000) to call an international airport only 12 miles out!! This is not illegal, but it is not a simple mistake, it is indicative of some very BAD habits. He was not just flying through under the Bravo, his intentions were to land at Philly but he treated it like a minor airport. Even airports in Charlie have usually some "contact within 20nm" printed on the sectional. smh.
Like somebody said, what frequency was he on before finally calling approach? When I landed in O'Hare, though at midnight and during the covid Summer, I still called 25 miles out and was not even cleared into the Bravo airspace for 20 minutes. This only makes ATC of approach and CT in these large airport be not very happy at GA aircraft!!
The terminal area chart for KPHL requests that aircraft operating under the floor call in for spacing and sequencing. I didn't see the normal 20NM call out. I'd normally consider distance to be the class B distance - but what's the right distance when not called out if you are flying under the floor.
I would die of fright if they told me a military fighter jet was on my tail,I think just would do me in I would not want to hear fighter jet on my rear
Very possible he was further south than he anticipated or misread the tfr timing. Shit happens and we all have our bad days. God knows I've been in places I wasn't supposed to be. I once went in the wrong gate at Rickenbacker and had 6 armed MPs drawing down on me. Not my finest hour.
they checked, and ignored it. that is the only thing I could think. There is no way they took that flight and didnt know the restrictions that day
@@irisfields1659 They will ease up beside you...and wave at you in a pissed off fashion..this usually wakes the guy up that he's done something wrong..then he turns his radio back up and starts figuring it out
this guy was arrested and sentenced to 8 months in prison.
Tower: "Rogue pilot, you've just blown through a Presidential TFR. Advise when you're ready to copy down a phone number."
Rogue Pilot: "Aw shucks, sorry tower, I forgot my pen!"
I've been flying with my number two radio tuned to guard for a good number of years. That is, when I don't require it for other needs. Especially nowadays.
Yep exactly wha my instructor taught me
I always did the same, even when flying airline jets.
121.5?
You have no idea how many people do not think they should do that. Military jets have a dedicated guard reciever always on in the background that you can turn off. I wish the civilian industry would do that.
@@ronmorgan1906 This is strange to me too. In the marine world, every radio monitors VHF 16 when on scan mode or TRI mode, and defaults to it when the unit is turned on.
So subtle how she threw that "left edge of TFR" in there. At that point, the pilot's radio got all weird again. He knew he was in trouble!
074, stand-by, I'm fighting off a couple F16s.
Do some of that pilot shit mav
underrated comment right here
Super professional by each of the controllers. Very impressed. Kept their cool with the pilot as to not rattle him too much.
OH GOD. One of the top 10 things you never want to hear as a pilot: “Be prepared to copy a phone number”.
Owned by 'Produce Junction', looks like a chain of produce and flower stores local to the NE area? Pilot will have a story to tell over the ol' apple barrel!
He probably won;t be a pilot for long.
I think the FAA squashed his berries
Some sales guy from Sporty's is calling him to sell him an iPad and Foreflight for his next flight.
That if he still has his license. Maybe after a couple year when he has to start from PPL.
Exactly😂😂😂😂
You can tell that private pilot has gone from normal to very nervous speech as he’s not 💯 sure what’s he done wrong but also knows on some scale that he has indeed made a biiiig mistake!
The controller is really clear and professional. If only all of the ATC comms were that good
I would say ATC was extermely polite and let the pilot focusing on the approach and landing. Entering a restricted airspace is not only dangerous but very illegal and ATC didnt change much tone to the pilot. He was definately stressed out after flying around probably on volume turned down on radio and chatting and suddenly two fighters flying just in front of him.
Getting stressed out was definitely deserved. The pilot is supposed to be flying the plane, not chatting up his passengers!
true, but if johnny tax payr got wiff thaat a lazy golfing president shot down a plane owner they would be backlash....like blowing up wtc 7
C'mon, man! Don't fly your thing through my, you know, the thing!
@@JohnDoe-nd9mv C'mon man!
That feeling you get when you are summoned to the Principal's office for an almost certain beating. Or suspension.
Beating? What decade or country are we talking about?
After the first few comms, note ATC added “armed” to his comms. Still don’t think the GA pilot understood, bless him
Noble 1 :request return to cap altitude, expedite if possible.
Tower: Roger Noble 1, request to get vertical granted.
hahaha...yeah, exactly.....the pilot flying intercept sounded about 14 years old, so you know he was gonna go full afterburner from 2200 to 12000
I spend my time as an airline pilot on guard hearing all the GA aircraft getting intercepted on a constant basis especially around DC
What is the guard frequency? Is it ramp control and what is GA
Guard is 121.5, GA is general aviation
@Wagner autopilot takes care of most of the work nowadays
@@TrainerAQ if he monitors the normally silent emergency frequency it doesn't add to work load. There are maritime emergency frequencies as well, on both HF and VHF. It's good practice for navigators (nautical & aeronautical) to monitor these frequencies as they may be the only one in position to hear a particular distress call.
@@CFIman75 maga pilots? they all went to trumps bigliest school of flying lol!
I flew out of 40N for many years and the expanded TFR at P40 (Camp David) was a frequent NOTAM.
epstein didnt kill himself
“Prepare to copy a phone number” is equivalent to “Landline” over the radio 😅
I live near Chester County Airport and I also fly out of there. I was wondering what happened I looked over my house and saw an F-16 Go full afterburner pretty badass to see.
Just imagine, one of those days where you forgot to turn to the proper freq…you’re humming along….remembering you gotta mow the lawn & sign some payroll checks when you land…..then you turn your head and see two F-16s looking at you like “U FOOKING WUT M8!?”
lol. Pucker factor x 1000
I think brownware would be rapidly downloaded
Was anything recorded on guard? It would be interesting to hear the exchange between the fighters and the Piper.
My speculation is that there was no intercept, since the pilot sound surprised when he came on frequency to get landing clearance. I think Noble 1 visually ID'd the plane as a clueless Cherokee and not a major security risk, so just hung back and waited.
@@jaywung7616 The pilot didn't sound surprised to me, which suggests he already knew why there were F-16s flying circles around him because he had spoken to them on guard (the first thing you would do on seeing an F-16 off your wing is tune to guard).
@@thomasdalton1508 Well, if he had checked in on guard, all that conversation with ATC would have happened there. He checked in 12 nm west, which is just outside the Bravo, where VFR traffic not talking to ATC might normally check in. Likewise, he checked in with a normal landing clearance request, and while he read back that he was cleared into the Bravo, he did NOT read back that he was cleared into the TFR, which I read as being caught off-guard. Was it my imagination, or did I hear the controller giggle after saying he was cleared through the TFR?
@@jaywung7616 definitely a grin
@@jaywung7616 Yep. "Oh, and while you're here anyways..."
Noble 01 expediting climb means he wants to go full burner from 1200 feet to 12,000 feet.
Who's gonna join the Air Force and spend years mastering combat aviation if you have to follow all the "regular plane" rules lol?
N01 is a helicopter... lol.
I’m based at ocean city nj (26n) I see N43074 all the time. Never thought I would hear him busting a TFR and getting intercepted!
Actually saw the F-16 pass by my house on the way to the intercept. Never knew they were so loud even at 5000 feet!
I’m curious what frequencies he had up heading into Philly.
It might’ve been a practice area frequency which is usually used by flight schools. I don’t if they have the same in Philly like we do in Florida
He probably had his SiriusXM turned up too high! He was going to Philly so Highway To Hell by AC/DC?
@@John_Be the military almost accelerated his trip there...
Probably philly ground
Guard
"Mission failed. We'll get 'em next time."
You know you’re in deep trouble when you make in onto a VAS AVIATION TFR video…
_"you ready for that phone number?"_ is the new _"why don't you have a seat over there?"_
5:12 I like that PHL TWR is polite, clam and collected so as not to further increase the anxiety of the pilot. The first priority is to get him down safely and then go ahead and give him hell. Awesome job by all involved.
Exactly.. threat assessment.. old dude putting along.. save the sidewinders.
He should have gotten a pilot deviation just for saying “with you”
agreed
can you explain this? trying to understand proper terminology!
It’s only something I’ve heard AF1 pilots say (on the video about the Reno TFR) , no one was sure why. Its not protocol but then it also sounds definitely formal.
My hometown airport (N57) is greatly affected being under this TFR that is constantly up. I feel bad, stops a lot of business.
"Stand by." I am frantically reading the NOTAMs to see where I effed up.
A good way to avoid deviations like this is to simply request flight following.
A better way is to check your notams!
“Request to follow the fighter jets on my right”
Flight following and a weather briefing by phone, two very simple things that have kept me out of trouble while flying GA
@@SS-en8gx nobody does
@@chofyam3466 That's why people get violations because they don't check them. Isn't that part of your training?
ATC: are you ready to take the number?
N43074: One moment, I need some time to change my underwear.
Was there ever a post about pilot's interpretation? I mean, even at mil power those F-16s are loud enough that's you're going to be hearing them in a GA aircraft.
"You can expedite your climb"
*Proceeds to climb at 12,000'/m lololol
We all know what "Expedite Climb" means for an F-16! Plane probably went full afterburner and pulled a vertical then and there.
I remember there was a situation in Seattle years ago when Air Force One was in town & TFR was established, some guy in a float plane came across from Eastern Washington without reading his NOTAM's. They scrambled Oregon ANG to intercept & they went supersonic getting there. They called it the "OBOOMA," lol. Needless to say, the guy wasn't very happy when the Secret Service was waiting to chew him out upon landing...
As someone who lives near the Modena VOR (mentioned early in the video), I did indeed hear military aircraft Friday. Didn't know what was going on until I saw this post.
He flies high despite the FL13 :)
Seems to be a solid IFR: direct to VOR, whatever airspace class in between....
That was my thought too......checked flightaware, and that plane does the same route A LOT
Boy, that brings back memories. I screwed up on a flight and had to call the tower. I was a student pilot on a solo... I was beyond nervous :)
I think this guy was on the receiving end of a stern talking-to.
Student pilot or stunt pilot?
@@HustleMuscleGhias I don't understand your question. I did state I was a student pilot.
@@jojosmith1097 That was a joke...
Would love to know what you did, and what they said?
"we'll take care of it on the ground" that's a good controller
3:08 She sounded excited for finally being able to talk to that pilot :D
I was outside working when the jets went over head, a lot of circling happened right over my house
This is actually insane. They told him turn north or death by f16
I get my mother in law flowers from produce junction every birthday and Mother’s Day I had no idea the owner was a fellow pilot😂
was being the correct term now lol.
@@ScotSteam47 hahahahah that wasn’t intentional but true😂
You NEVER want to hear the words "let me know when you're able to write down this phone number."
4:12 It was at this moment, he knew, he f--d up
A friend of mine busted one about 3 years ago. He got t stern taking to. Goes to show you, DO NOT turn off TFRs in Foreflight or whatever app you use.
What happened to your friend as a result?
@@nerysghemor5781 Fox two
@@nerysghemor5781 A short investigation, a telephone call to basically say "don't do that again" and he was on his way. His certificate was never in jeopardy. He had turned off TFRs in Foreflight so he never saw it. Of course, the NOTAMS and AOPA heads-up emails would have helped. He wrote an article in Plane and Pilot Mag I think about it. At the time we both were flying out and into the DC SFRA regularly and so I gave him all kinds of grief. I'm now flying out and into the DC FRZ and SFRA. This airspace gets busted at least twice a month. He owned a Luscombe 8E at the time. His job took him to the Philipines so no more TFRs.
@@JustaPilot1 Glad it was treated as an honest mistake. Interesting about the article. I wonder if that’s online anywhere?
@@grantzawodniak682 That would be an ouchie!
See, you can fly in restricted airspace. You just have to ignore all of the calls and the fighter jets. No biggy lmao
Thank you very much!🙂👍
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This is why you ALWAYS monitor guard on comm 2.
If Sen. Inhofe could land on a closed runway undergoing repairs scattering the work crew and still keep his license, this guy should be back up and flying in no time...
Didn't know this Senator so I had to look him up. Thanks for the laugh...followed by sadness knowing that he's out there doing whatever he wants.
Flying with my instructor south of the tfr we were monitoring 121.5 and heard this happen live. It stressed both of us out! Kind of sad realizing that guy will probably lose his license too.
What was the Guard communication like? Wish that had been included here....
Not sure people are losing their licenses over this considering apparently it happens 3-4 times every weekend but a slap on the wrist for sure
I bet he enjoyed that phone call thoroughly.
Obviously he didn’t do his homework before taking off.
What could possibly go wrong?
Yeah. And a call to 800 WX Brief is free. No excuse.
He sounded pissed off when told he was given a #... like dude you violated a TFR! That's all on you lol....
He was surprised, he had no idea there was a TFR until ATC cleared him through the outer ring. There was probably a lot of "WTF? WTF? WTF?" in the cabin going on. He was probably frantically flipping through his charts to find the info on the TFR when they asked him to copy the phone number.
I'd bet that was a "Oh fuck, did I really choose the wrong day to not do a proper preflight briefing?" Lessons learned, hopefully.
i think he sounded more worried and busy, i mean the dude had 2 f16's buzzing him, the last thing you would be in that situation is pissed off, his most likely single pilot and doing his routine to come in to land asap, he can write the number down on the ground, its not like he can easily just bail on the situation without being noticed. as you hear even the ATC dont push him to write it down she simply says ok you will get it once on the ground because she knew he had his hands full bringing the plane into land
I hope you all are correct that he was worried. I mean it's a learning lesson for sure! It just seemed he was annoyed when asked if he was ready for the #. But I could totally be wrong!
Thanks for posting this. My neighborhood was buzzing all day after the jets flew over.
Produce Junction is a small chain of produce stores in the Philly burbs.
What is TOI ?
Most likely: Target Of Interest
@@radon360 target of intercept I thought
Both make sense, thanks.
I love ATC’s exasperated/relieved sigh after giving instructions. That sigh said “Thank goodness they didn’t have to shoot your ass down. 😂”