Helicopter VIOLATES NEW YORK AIRSPACE | Police Chased Him to JFK
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It was at that moment...
...he knew he screwed up!
why was he allowed to depart again? Should that not be an immediate grounding?
He may not have been flying the aircraft out again, maybe for a while 🤓@@kerberos623
That Pilot is in BIG Doodoo 😂
@@kerberos623 I doubt the FAA will do an emergency revoke order over something like this incident. You would have to be a pretty clear immediate danger for them to pick up the phone and revoke you on the spot.
Oh man this is gonna be a clusterfuck. Under JFK control, while flying through LGA final approach... thats gonna be one hell of a phone call
The aviation equivalent of a naked guy running erratically on the highway 👌
Except the police don’t shot the helicopter
"N84BL landed at the JFK Helipad and departed 3 hours later". One hour for refueling and paperwork, and two hours to go inside and buy a new pair of pants to replace the ones no longer usable after the a$$-chewing he received from ATC.
This was a crazy one! Great work from police and ATC controllers as always.
I want to be a fly on the wall for that conversation.
Can just FOIA request and listen. They all get recorded. I’m surprised Victor doesn’t do that more often and add it to the channel.
I don't think there's going to be many words. Just a lot of growling noises and subdued weeping.
Not sure you could pick a worse airspace to f-around in
And now he's finding out.
Washington, D.C. SFRA
@@Fletchiee Restricted Area 4808 North (R-4808N)
I would put the DC airspace right up there with JFL. Probably list the LA airspace third. Maybe a couple of eastern seaboards, like Boston, as a distant fourth... after that... it's a long way out on the list. Even with the special Class D airspace between Luke AFB and Glendale, I'd say the Phoenix area is more navigable than JFK.
You might wonder why someone in the LGA tower didn't call the JFK tower to check if they were talking to 84BL...
We do, we call it the shoutline. If it wasnt the controller then then Supe was. But its not a public listening network that the public can get access too. (like liveatc)
My thoughts exactly!
He's on with JFK tower, being directed to land at GAT. I assume that he assumed JFK and LGA were coordinating, no? These type of 121 helicopter flights are a daily (hourly) occurrence so what went wrong here?
@@thejets511 The LGA controller sounded like he hadn't even given it a thought, though.
Looks like they did later on the landline when JFK was already controling it
@@marbe166 usually an airspace intruder involves the CIC/SUP? I would have figured they'd be working that angle so the controller can concentrate on the dots not touching.
Legend has it that 84 Bravo Lima is still doing circles between LGA and JFK.
And squawking something he shouldn't be
GTA V 3 star wanted level.
Helicopter chase. Evasion unsuccessful.
I remember this. They both flew over my position in Queens. I was thinking “what is the NYPD up to now?”. Don’t tell me they’re starting to follow random aircraft lol. (Like they follow cars).
If it were Arkansas I would figure the police were getting set to perform a pit maneuver.
@@TexasVernon
Police: pull over immediately
Them: we already are we can't pull over any further
Police: you will or you will face the pit
"Do you now how fast you were flying, sir?"
@@TexasVernon I’ve tried that in Battlefield. It doesn’t usually work out for both parties. 🤣
@@abellator7560 I swore that's the opening to Super Troopers.
I have a number for to call. Wow that's cool and far out man, thank you . we are having a good time up here.
A normal day at VATSIM - but this is reality.
In addition to the question of inter-tower coordination, what about calling on Gaurd?
One thing I've learned from watching these videos is that anyone who's got their head that far up their ass already definitely isn't paying attention to Guard.
Just hanging around on a final approach path? That's gonna be one hell of a phone call.
JFK TOWER: Yeah, looks like you're in Laguardia's way there."
He didn't really sound all that concerned about it.
Not his paperwork to fill out, I guess
I can’t help but think this controller, at this point in time in the escapade just wanted to get the guy to land and keep things calm on the frequency. Obviously the pilot is in over his head but being chewed out about it while landing would just make things worse. Just my 2 cents.
@@SeligTiles Makes sense. I have to assume that's why fairly often, unless the pilot's deviation is posing an immediate risk to themselves/other aircraft, they will wait until the aircraft is on the ground to give them that "phone number".
It is most likely that at the moment of first interaction, he simply thought LGA tower had handed him off to JFK, and that he was communicating with LGA before that (which would be what would normally happen). He had no way of knowing that the guy was just bumbling through Bravo airspace completely incommunicado.
At least he had his transponder on lol.
As soon as I get a notification, I always have to click. You do a great job, Victor!
Thanks, really appreciate it
That must have been a weird flight for the passengers too; just sorta doing circles over brooklyn while a police helo is right on top/below you, with jets dodging you, all while you're just trying to make it to JFK a little quicker....
This guy couldn't fly his way out of a wet paper bag! Sheesh!!
A helicopter police chase chasing a helicopter . Don’t see that often
Giving his pax a sight seeing touring and not paying attention to flying the aircraft.
100% this is what happened, likely on the PA ignoring the radio.
I try not to be quick on the judgement, but 84BL wow, guy needs his ticket pulled
Genuine question. What authorization, regulations, or guidelines allows the NYPD to intercept or fly in formation with an aircraft violating airspace? Is it a DHS thing? He clearly says over the radio he is trying to get the other aircraft to change course and clearly is following in formation. And what ATC guidelines has them use another aircraft to try to move an airspace violater out of the way. This is clearly just for discussion. The bravo buster clearly messed up big time. Not sure how LGA and finest handled the situation. JFK controller was super cool.
Police helicopters are observe and report. What ATC asked them to do was wrong. They aren’t military.
Also I think Finest 19 violated airspace. I didn’t hear a clearance to enter for him.
Bro decided to take a causal stroll through NYC class Bravo and didn’t bother to tell anyone.
Suspend license for 90 days for a complete reevaluation. Obviously zero clue on flying in the NYC airspace.
Sounds like the pilot will have to use their one phone call pretty quick.
Flying in LaGuardia airspace while talking to JFK Tower. Took him some time to realize he was flying over the wrong airport.
Monitor 121.5 all the time super pilots…
Nice callsign “finest”.
@@kaasmeester5903 that’s why NYPD stopped using the “CPR” motto. Wasn’t true. 🤣
FDNY helicopter callsigns are "bravest".
NYPD is the New York's finest after all.
In the last seven days 100 flights over the New York area. And of course back in action creating more mayhem.
This was ATC Twilight Zone. Everyone and everything seemed off
Airspace is going to violate him right back! The skies are just a crapshoot nowadays, clearly. Good luck, everybody. Trust nobody.
I didn't know Piper made helicopters
Or BMW.
Perhaps a few familiarization flights would have been prudent before soloing through one of the busiest airspace.
Did that happen this morning? I remember seeing a helicopter getting chased over the NYC skyline this morning and I thought it was odd.
Not today
I fly helis in NYC everyday. Familiar with 848BL’s company. No idea what this guy is doing
Has to be a new guy, I don't even recognize their voice. All 84BL does is JFK runs and that pilot doesn't seem like they know where the GAT is.
I guess Launchpad McQuack is giving NYC sightseeing tours now. 2020's keep getting weirder
You can see his track on FlightAware on 11/3/24 at 1:57pm EST. TH-cam blocked my link. All of their trips from 34th St. to JFK went south down the Hudson and then East. This guy went North up the river and then East. Who knows why.
TH-cam's system blocks almost all links. There's a special way the channel can post links. But if it's not your video, comments with links gets eaten by the system.
Any chance you can put the date and time in the description or in the video itself? I can kind of make out 7 pm-ish in the top left corner of the video.
November 3
"N84BL....where are you?!" Doesn't sound like other guy knew where he was really either. What a cluster...."And please don see the heavy jets when their in ya windoh, yeah?"
Got the notice. It's a gold star for screw tube.
Possible pilot deviation, I’ve never seen a more blatant pilot error since Harrison Ford landing on a taxi way, this helo pilot needs some training for sure.
Grandpa needs to retire. He put his passengers and everyone in that airspace in danger.
I wish we could hear that phone call. . .
This is New York, you need to be on at least your A game.
Everyday I hear 84BL coming into jfk (I live by it) but it’s def a diff pilot lol
funny enough, ive woprked on 84BL so many times out of EH. pilots are nice, they just get stressed while flying through the airspace (not clarifying what he did)))
How was it that LGA had his callsign but not JFK? And what's with the multiple calls between him and JFK that go nowhere until they finally start actually completing meaningful exchanges (is it possible that not everything was picked up)?
JFK was probably not aware of the situation because they hadn't violated JFK airspace. So they thought it was just a normal aircraft outside of the class B airspace trying to request something.
The pilot needs jail time.
LGA: Finest 19, Get that guy away from our runways
JFK: Meh, it's not our runways.
Technically, Finest 19 entered the Bravo without a clearance too!
Are you sure? Seems like Finest 19 was already talking to La Guardia and we don't know what they were doing in the area before La Guardia asked for their help.
@@jackielinde7568 Fair point. But I'm not sure "follow that guy" constitutes clearance, either. :)
Did have Finest 19 have permission to enter airspace?
Bro got a 5 star wanted level.
is it just a coincidence the police helicopter's tail number ends in PD or can you request personalized tail numbers somehow if you buy a new aircraft?
Brownian motion flight.
underrated, this.
🚨 pull over pull over
Mistadobalina Mista Bobdobalina are you on this frequency?
Pilot shouldn’t even be allowed to fly a drone for the rest of their life!
New York, New York
These police officers are not trained to intercept. Their mission is observe and report. Theres nothing they can do but complicate and saturate congested airspace and only increase the threat of traffic separation.
How do you not see you're being tailed by a PD chopper?
I remember being at Edmonton international a few yrs ago waiting in line listening to LiveATC and then being delayed due to A Business jet pilot landing with no instructions as he was not in contact with the tower. He was greeted at the taxiway by the Police and escorted to a parking spot. I heard later on they had a non functioning radio and the pilot and first officer were grounded for not following protocol.
If ATC and other traffic weren’t on the ball it could of been ugly.
Could of jeez o pete
I don't know all of the protocols, but the big part of it is to squawk 7600, so ATC can see you're having trouble communicating with them. There's other stuff you're supposed to do, but I don't remember it. I suspect if they changed their transponder code, it would have been enough to get them out of hot water. And the ATC would have treated them as an emergency aircraft instead of a non-communicating pilot violating controlled airspace.
Another reason added to the long list of why I hate helicopters😅
They act like he's not talking to them when they are. For ATC this is a complete failure and lack of communication and/or competence. ATC got all caught up in trying to create drama.
LaGuardia stated they weren't talking to him while JFK was talking to him. There's no way for LaGuardia to know the pilot is talking to a different tower. Since the pilot was in LaGuardia's Class B airspace he should have been talking to LaGuardia.
@@kd5you1 Exactly. Hence the lack of communication.
Oof. But did they try to call on guard?
probably wasn't even monitoring guard
Heyyy whatya want I am walkin' here
but the helecopter version
Too close for missiles, switching to guns….
Seems like he's drunk.
Idiots in the air
Yeah i stared at their flight log. Definitely one of those tourist carrying helis or some glorified taxi service (or both) because all their flights are all NYC > NYC or teterboro (aka the private millionaire airport in nyc area).
Ok, I had to dig deeper and they do indeed provide charter flights, annnd..
Airborne public safety and government services.
Well........ yep.
As always, thank you for the video.
The call sign reminds of this song when ATC says it. th-cam.com/video/dFieSQHmQT0/w-d-xo.html
What a ducking mess
A nothing burger 🍔
Looks like a copter for Helicopters, Inc. Seems they do contracting work as a news helicopter (ENG) and some other charter work.
Yep. Worked for them for a week out of khwd. Quit. Bottom feeders.
I first read charter as character. I was gonna say he's a character all right!
QUESTION: Don't police helicopters have loudspeakers to communicate with people on the ground? Couldn't Finest 19 have used that to tell the 84BL to contact La Guardia? It certainly would have gotten my attention.
ANSWER: No. Helicopters aren't quiet you know, they are especially loud when you're sitting in one.
Should have his license revoked. You can’t fly in the most congested airspace without knowing what you’re doing.
Revocation might be a little harsh. But maybe a suspension would get the point across, idk
Some people still think that the age 65 rule for part 121 flying is a bad idea....
Geriatric pilot = Phone number.......
Possible punctuation deviation. I have a number to a primary school for you to call.
@@sharpjs Possible psychological deviation. I have a psychiatrist number for you to call.
Off topic: I like the call sign used for NYPD helicopters: Finest (19). Because they are.
So many people lives were in danger on the ground.
I appreciate your channel but you really need to update your visual. It's really nonsensical. There is another channel that makes yours look like it was made in the 90's.
It was at that moment he knew Trump was his Daddy.
Not very smart of ATC to ask the police to chase the guy. Even more reckless of the PD pilot to go get close to N84BL. Impromptu formation flight is a recipe for disaster.
“Finest 19” what a ridiculous callsign
First responders have been called that in NY for 150 years
Great call sign to me. Knew right away when I heard it who it was.
@@ericleiser33NYPD is known as the finest. FDNY the bravest
he departed 3hours later? what?!?
I sort of thought being involved in a police chase gets one arrested on the spot?
That wasn't a "police chase". That was the cops kind of doing a favor for ATC to identify the aircraft but not the cops pursuing someone because they had reasonable suspicion of a crime to detain them.
The cops don't (normally) have authority to enforce federal regulations and FAA regulations are civil not criminal.
The aircraft departed 3 hours later, not necessarily that pilot. Second, it wasn’t a chase and the class bravo violation itself isn’t a criminal matter. There’s nothing to arrest him over. However he’ll have to answer to at minimum the local FSDO (effectively, the local FAA office), and the chief pilot at his company if he’s working for someone like a tour operator. The company can fire/ground him, and/or the FSDO may yank his license. Otherwise, nothing for the police to do.
is it a police chase if you're flying circles around the police?
"He" is the helicopter itself which doesn't ultimately mean it departed with the same pilot.
Never said they departed with the same pilots.