Agret not worth the stress. At $250,000 a year in upkeep, if he had a crystal ball there wouldn’t have been stress but he didn’t know it would be worth that. I would have sold t too
My main goal is to be happy and enjoy life. To make the kind of money these people have you can forget about having a lot of free time. Expect to work 10-12 hr. days and always be on call. These people aren't really ever off from work.
Let me get you started...think of it like an investment; the reason that guy can throw all those numbers around so casually is because it's an investment for him...when he re-sells the car at the right time, he could actually make a profit; which means the car was basically free to use in between (if you made a profit)..
A McL F1 is built as a road car, not a race car! That Murray designed the car that good, that it only needed minor changes for racing, just shows what a genius Gordon Murray is.
He's not a genius. The Honda CRX Si and 1984 Corvette have higher cornering limits than a Mclaren F1. Yea. Check it out. He falsely claimed credit for the MP4/4. He's a fraud. See the video "Steve Nichols & The McLaren MP4/4 - The Story Gordon Murray Doesn't Want Told" on here.
@@SparkedEd Yea, he's so full of it. He likes to claim that the Mclaren F1 easily out-performed all Ferraris and Lambos without even trying. Yea, riiiiiiiiight! Then why specify 600 bhp when the competitors will still in the 450 bhp range? He later admitted that the F1 didn't generate significant downforce (so they were lying at the time) because they were going for top speed. WTF?
"Oh yes! We need to get our team together and take your car around a race track a couple times to change the tires. This process is absolutely essential to verify that your car is still fun to drive. We all get involved in this thorough evaluation."
March 2019 and current value is around 16 Million + USD... and rising... this guy paid 1.2..... if he had kept it, paid through the nose for repairs.. he would still be up 13 to 14 Million..... as an investment this thing was gold...
Yeah just do like the japanese guy does. 0 miles, store it, doesn't spend 1$ on maintenance, when car grows on value, pay to restore, sell it for a record price.
@@cutdepiefails6596 I would add one step to your list, bruv. Right before I pay to restore, trailer it to Hoonigans and put 5 miles of drifting wheelspin on the odometer. "100% Perfect F1, never in rain, only 5 miles in the parking lot. Never abused on TH-cam video with 3 million views."
The issue is that if you DO NOT do these factory required maintenance routines then the cars value plummets! Seriously, they have you by the balls! If you want the big returns on these types of cars, you MUST do the required maintenance
@u knoe wat dis is all because race teams and owners persuaded Murray to make a track version. The initial concept and mental thought behind the whole development process was a road car...go watch a documentary on it or lookup Gordon Murray you can hear it from his mouth...I got things to do today besides get into a comment battle with you.
The whole idea was building the"ultimate" road car. So much of what he is saying is wrong. It's driving me crazy. He's misrepresenting the car completely.
NightMareWorldOfficial ---Although you are correct, Mr Murray’s Original design was for The Ultimate Road car, still before the Entire Production run of just under 100 examples were produced, approximately 30 ish of them were developed for Racing.. However, within a few years as the Values began to Skyrocket, a number of these Purpose built race cars were Converted to Road use. Hence, the buyer may actually have purchased one of these Converted Examples. Several years ago, I viewed Tiff Nedell test driving such an example of a Track example converted to Road status, but it was so loud inside that headphones were required to chat with a Passenger.
@@jaythe2nd38 LM vin numbers ended with LM1, LM2, LM3, LM4, LM5. This guy's car was a regular F1, no racing history, it's fairly easy to find a list of the chassis numbers This guy is making things up about his own car
@@Dredded_one I understand your point. However, in this case, it does not make sense. Both the wheels and tires' specs will be the same - Same wheels, same tires, same pressures. So, there is absolutely no reason to calibrate anything. If we look at racing categories... F1, F2, WEC, WRC, etc. No team calibrates the suspension after a tire change (except between slick and wet tire changes). Even when F1 were allowed to mix up different compounds, the suspension was left alone. If we look at other speed record manufacturers like Jaguar, Bugatti, Koenigsegg, etc, they did not require a "tire calibration". And I don't think that modern McLarens require it either. It was a smart scam by McLaren in the 90's, and I assume that most costumers actually fell for it :)
@@Dredded_one It would make sense to calibrate the suspension itself, yes. But not when justified by a tire change. As we know, as time goes on, springs change their rates, dampers wear off, etc. But a simple tire change will not change the balance of the car.
Taking into account that Im not rich, fortunately, I am not a sucker. This gentleman's ignorance is unbelievable. He buys a car while knowing very little about it, gets scam by McLaren, and tells the story while thinking that is was the manufacturer's fault. Track balanced suspension after a tire change. This is pure comedy.
I am a follower of a discussion on a forum with a member who owns a Mclaren F1 and has owned it for many years and other forum members have met him and been in his car and he has seen this video and stated the guy is full of nonsense. That and the fact that this chap seems to know absolutely nothing about the car when some of his statements are very easily fact checked leads me to believe he is full of horse shit. He may have owned a Mclaren F1 and the owner I know of has said this guy did own the car he claims to, he blatantly knows nothing about the actual car.
Gordon said it lasted between 5-15k depending on how talented the driver is. Add that to "back to fiberglass", "designed as a race car", "off the shelf engine" and you get the idea this was not the right kind of person for that car
@Budget Boost DIY McLaren F1 car is a race car and if it's faster with weight reduced clutch that lasts less, it will use the weight reduced clutch. Basically, if you want to know how much something costs, McLaren F1 is not the right car for you.
I'm going to bet he is not going with McLaren's philosophy about changing parts that would seem "just fine". I recall he did originally send the car to McLaren and among other things, they replaced the windshield wiper. It cost him $6,000. He was "surprised".
What's crazy is that someone that collects cars and is clearly an intelligent man wouldn't research the maintenance costs of a vehicle he wanted to purchase (although given all the experience he had he may have just assumed what that would've cost). The maintenance is so insanely expensive because McLaren stipulates the maintenance procedures for the vehicle must be in-line with and comparable to the level of care given to a racecar. Not just a racecar, but a racecar that's being driven to the level that it was designed to be driven every time that it is driven AND under the assumption that it's driven like that several hours a day, several days a week. It's like when people make videos about what it would cost to own a Formula 1; yeah, sure, you can break the value of each of the individual components down and give someone a hard number for the value of the vehicle by itself. But when you take a look at what it costs to maintain that vehicle to the level that it has to be maintained... well, you find out that you basically have to own an entire racing team to even possibly consider it. That's why the McLaren F1 is as expensive to maintain as it is, and honestly taking into account that all of that is absolutely necessary to assure it stays as valuable as it possibly can be and runs to the specs that it is advertised to be able to run at it's entirely worth all of it AND all things considered it's not THAT expensive.
seems pretty much like a fancy story to make the owners think they are not being scammed. Of course race car tires are balanced on a machine and not everything adjusted to them. Or are really complex race cars like F1 or LMP1 doing another 2-3 adjustment pit stops after the actual pit stop? Would only make sense if they put a new model of a tire on there, but even then it is very far fetched. And McLaren for sure only puts lifespans on half the parts to make sure they earn a load of money on maintenance even though most F1s just do max. 500 kilometers a year
It is to do with Camber changes, different compounds will make the car roll over onto the tyre more so than others, the stickier the tyre, the more it will need a camber adjustment and also sway bars tightened and spring rates changed along with rebound settings too, obviously this is only if you are super good on a track and are on track all the time, for the road with this guy, he didn't need all of that for just putting around, especially seeing he is a self professed "Not a good driver" and never goes to the track (What a shame). McLaren are right in what they say about the adjustments, but for this guy? Yeah he never needed it, they did shaft him IMO too, yes they are great cars, but the basics of physics and engineering is essentially the same across all performance cars, I think McLaren are just super picky about everything as if you are always sitting in the pits of an F1 garage, for 99% of people this is overkill.
If you are not racing and just putzing around the street it wouldn't be a big deal. Unless he planed to do high speed runs and put a ton of miles on it, and the people buying these cars don't tend to put many is any miles on them at all.
Richard Bryan Look up how BMW prep their Formula 1 engine blocks. They start by leaving it out in the rain for 3 years and peeing on it behind the shed.
@@user-wn3ww5lw5j lol are you serios? s54 got problems with its vanos, crank shaft bearings, oil pump, cylinder head gasket, s65 is also awful with its crank shaft bearings.... n54 got problems with the turbos, injectors, high pressure pumps
HustlerTrickipedia on the high reving m Engines a crankshaft Bearing is a normal replacement Part like a Sparkplug and only the First n54 had Problems and It was fixed by bmw for free
F1 was only ever designed as a road car, yes it raced but this was not what it was originally designed to do, there isnt a scrap of fibreglass in the car, the engine is a Design purely for the F1 built by BMW and is as far from off the shelf as you can get. Thats before you get to everyone in the uk living/working or shit being built in London, most fucking hate the place.
I am not sure what you are quoting there, are you quoting what he said, or are you quoting your thoughts? It's a carbon fiber car, not fiberglass. UK isn't London and he never said it otherwise, he said that the engineer or the factory is in London, but he wasn't sure if they were in the London, so he corrected himself and said UK instead, to cover whole country because the location from where they send their Engineer from was unknown or forgotten. And engine was specifically made to meet the placed requirements of how F1 should be. You either need to clean ears, like someone said, or you are not a car guy yourself and should be ashamed of not knowing the history of this iconic car yourself. Google is right there, you could just google the shit before you write anything and think you are smarter, when in fact you are full of mistakes.
bloody hell lets put this a different way for the simpletons, (the car was never designed as a race car like he stated) (the car is quite famously made of carbon not fibreglass as he stated) (the engine is not an off the shelf bmw engine like he stated) (to americans quite famously they see the uk as just London)
rich asshole doesnt even know what the cars made of lmao, doesnt deserve to own such a legendary car. atleast hes aware that he will crash it trying to use it
Reminds me of stories of rich athletes buying expensive houses, when told their $5 million house costs $75,000 a year(property tax) they say......"I already paid for the house".
I was pissed when I had to replace the spark plugs in my chrysler sebring. Damn things were expensive. Oh well, I've already put 15k on them. Should probably check them.....
So if I had a f1... And parked in my garage and never drove it. In a few years I would need to sell my house to replace the fuel cell... Hmmm... Sounds reasonable
bowtech1020 Not really, the cars still run, you’ll just have lights that are on as a reminder for servicing. If ignored it could be potentially devalue the car.
The F40 is the same, but the US-spec has metal fuel cells due to crash safety standards whereas all other have Formula 1-grade synthethic cells. It's common to replace the latter with steel ones to avoid the huge cost.
@@paulbrooks5612 Its not lights since onboard systems can easily be overridden. At the start, he mentions the "provenance " of the car. It's documentation that traces the car from new and shows that maintenance was performed as required.
Tires for the Veyron are more than 100,000. Same deal as the F1, but I think instead of air they fill the tires with helium that has been filtered through a supermodel's otherwise empty digestive tract. That's a LOT of supermodel helium farts, the cost would be even more but the fart collector guy works for free.
So let me get this right. They ask you to pay for their Mechanic to rent a race track to drive your car around it for the day. Then bring it back to you in a truck. While you stare at it in your garage. That's got to be the worst financial sucker punch I've ever heard.
I just drive mine in circles all day and through burger kings but then when I get to the window I just speed off, don't need any foot fungus in my lettuce, no sir. One time I raced an airplane, the airplane won, but I was faster than this skinwalker thing, weird to find one at a burger king, but I did win that race, then there was this one time at band camp...
Well, he never said how much did he sell the car for?? (we know he bought it for 1.2 mil)....at the end he was actually disappointed he didn't hold on to the car till it was worth 15 mil...factoring the initial cost and the total maintenance cost; even if he sold it at a loss, it probably wasn't all that much to be considered "the worst financial sucker punch"..
Worse is Ferrari. Buy an FXX and they don’t even let you take ownership of the car. They meet you at a track once or twice a year, and you get to borrow your car for a few hours they they take back possession. You don’t even get to keep your car.
How the hell did someone so clueless find themselves in a position to buy an F1? This says more about him than McLaren and I don’t think they come out of this well.
Making money and being smart enough to understand your wallet doesn’t make you an expert are two different skills sets. Unfortunately this guy just has one.
The funny thing is he drove it as a carpool car because he was afraid of wrecking it by driving it too often. So the ultra rich, like Elon Musk, can just daily drive the thing without caring if he crashed it.
It was my understanding Gordon Murray never intended the F1 as anything other than a road car. Also a lot of things that he says time out on it are age sensitive on any car. The F40 for example has fuel bladders which need replacing.
2,000-3,000 miles is probably with the idea the driver is going to be hammering it, if you are just using it on the street for moderate driving it would probably be fine for longer I would think.
Never regret being practical. Even at a$15 million value, a couple million in maintenance over the same time of ownership is tough to swallow. I'm sure there are more stories out there like this. Thank you for sharing 🙏
Isn't that what this guy just said? Either they will fly out to you or you can have it flown to them. In Leno's case, he likely has any tool they'd need other than factory software to communicate with the car, which can be done over satellite link or likely Bluetooth to a tech who brought the stuff with him.
Good to hear that he has sold it. Hopefully it has gone to a more deserving home, with an owner who is more educated about the car & willing to drive it as intended.
Angel Zaragoza you can own as many cars as you want, just because you own one, doesn’t mean you know anything about it. This guy is a complete moron and knows nothing about the Mclaren F1, he didn’t deserve that car
@@Internetpimp I guess you, as someone that will almost certainty never even be able to think about owning own knows about servicing one and the costs.
Kiwi - Andrew Bagnall McLaren F1- only two in the world fitted with the extra high downforce package, 680bhp LM-V12,spec race engine. from, New Zealand, - chassis #18 -has owned for more than ten years. th-cam.com/video/8l-p5QYGEUI/w-d-xo.html Kiwi-owned 1994 McLaren F1 supercar sells for $30,805,000 www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/115044743/kiwiowned-1994-mclaren-f1-supercar-sells-for-30805000-at-sothebys-auction#comments rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo19/monterey/lots/r0164-1994-mclaren-f1-lm-specification/792832
Bro. You can't say "I have pictures of the [repainting] process. They charged him $250,000." and then not provide us the pictures? C'mon man! You tease us! Great story otherwise.
What are you snorting? That was a terrible story, I lost brain cells listening to it. I feel like the world is in actual trouble now, Greta's been right all along
It’s essentially a new engine and it was purpose built for the F1, however it shares a similar design and is designated as an iteration in the same family as the engine out of an 8 series (e31). It uses quite a bit of off the shelf bmw parts but from a wide variety of different engines. He’s definitely wrong about it being a converted race car for the streets. It’s actually the other way around, it was originally a purpose built streetcar using many properties of race cars to create an ultimate streetcar. Then the design was converted to become a racing car with the gtr series.
@@will3346 Re engine, was purpose built for this car - in fact it was too heavy for the specification but BMW manage to push more power out of it which is how it still made it into the F! - VERY PURPOSE BUILT through personal discussions with BMW at the time. Kinda makes the whole video rubbish from that point on.
@@ADAM-tw6ej There is literally an official book called 'Driving Ambition: the official, inside sory of the McLaren F1' which has all the details and even original sketches, interviews from the designer Gordon Murray. You don't have to be an owner to know these things. The person in this video clearly isn't very knowledgeable about the car.
Ajaxaxxess Kharma's got me back. I didn't buy that F1, I bought a Nissan Note instead which has cost me £38.99 for a new sump.If I'd bought the F1 I'm sure the snow and ice here wouldn't have torn the sump unlike my plate metal sump on the Note😠😉I'm such a loser
As an aircraft mechanic this sounds very very familiar dealing with new owners or people who want to buy but dont know anything about the cost of ownership.
I'd like to say that cars like this should be driven, but collectors and investors who just lock away their cars are the reason many important cars still survive.
2:25 "it's a racecar made to drive on the road" and "it's really a race car" uhh, literally no. it was not at all designed with competition in mind. Gordon Murray wanted to build the ultimate street car.
@@getchasome6230 okay...but he says that he doesn't use it on the track. So why would he need it set up like that? And even if he did use it on the track having the tyres balanced like that will make no difference to someone if his skill level. He literally could have paid the $7000 for the tyres and got them fitted the same as a normal car. The guy is an idiot.
I’m the guy who you bought it from that made all those modifications ;-) You can see the delivery and some track time on my channel. That car had quite a life. Probably need to share some of my videos and stories one of these days. I must have a 100 hours of footage in a dozen cars from back in the day. Good times.
while it's nice to hear an ex-owner talk about his car... there is a huge amount of factual inaccuracy in this video. I won't go through it all as i will just get a lot of hate for it, but i'll just point out this. The Mclaren F1 was expressly a ROAD CAR, definitely not a race car. This is both in Gordan Murray's design brief, calibration of suspension, bushings, and a host of other parts including the transmission, intake system, exhaust and so much more. In fact, when customers asked to take this car racing, Mclaren initially denied their request because these cars were designed at all levels as a road car. It's only after a lot of pressure, that they made some dedicated race cars out of the F1 (GTR, GTR Longtail etc etc) and it was adapted to the track. It's ok to not know all your facts, but there is so much in this video which is incorrect that it's a bit of a letdown.. especially when it's an actual owner who is giving the bad info. oh well.. it's just the internet. EDIT: when he says "this isn't really a prototype built car, has a stock BMW engine, I think I heard Paul Roche vomit. How unbelievably uninformed is this guy?.. is this just a troll video and I didn't get the joke?
At the end of the day, the F1 is kinda overly hyped. Dude owned one and realized it just wasn't worth keeping it around. If only he held onto it a bit longer to sell it in today's market. Lmao 15mil for this car is insane.
Awesome video but I have to mention one thing, Gordon Murray built the F1 as a road car first and foremost. That was always the goal and is why is has three seats and as much luggage capacity as a ford fiesta. Even after seeing it's success he was reluctant to give the go ahead on the F1 GTR's of 1995 to be made.
I mean it was the homologation specials like the 911 GTR and CLK GTR that forced McLaren to actually develop the car for the track, creating the 1997 Longtail. What made it amazing was that, before that, a road car competed at a high level racing class with minimal modifications.
@@Jdalio5 You are incorrect. If you study the history of the car or read the book Driving Ambition, you will know this. GM designed this first and foremost as a road car (but an uncompromising one). Yes, it has race-derived tech (F1 tech always filters down to the masses eventually), but this priority is also why it has A/C, a radio and lots of luggage space (relatively speaking). The driver sits in the middle because GM felt that was the purest and most natural driving position for any car, and results in the best possible field of vision - not because it was designed as a race car. From the outset, it was designed as a three-passenger car. While there were always questions on how the F1 would perform in professional racing, it was never a design goal and never seriously considered until well after the car had entered production. Some individuals closely connected to McLaren convinced them to work on a racing variant after launch. While other manufacturers had to build "homologation specials" (street-legal versions) to conform to the rules of some racing series, the street versions they produced were difficult to drive and extremely uncomfortable to use on the road (CLK-GTR, GT1 etc) - they truly were race cars converted for road use as cheaply and simply as possible to just barely conform to the rules at the time. In fact, the spirit of the rules were such that the racing was meant to be for race cars that were variants of road cars, not the other way around. Most of the manufacturers however built the race car first and the road car second, flouting the true spirit of the rules and the racing series. McLaren was the only manufacturer who did it properly - they adapted a base road car for racing. The amazing thing about it is that in spite of relatively minimal mods to the car, it still beat cars designed for the track. This is perhaps the best testimony on the underlying design and the genius of GM. The fact that it broke the speed record and held that record for a decade was also a byproduct of the design - it was never a serious goal. GM felt speed-chasing was just headline bullshit, and he focused instead on chasing the best possible driving experience with the lightest possible components, whilst still maintaining a base level of comfort and practicality for long-distance road use. TLDR: The design absolutely was, first and foremost, a road car. This is indisputable if you speak to, watch the interviews of or read the writings of anyone involved in the development of the F1.
@@xxxDeaDLocKxxx Thank you for that. It's mind blowing that people believe any of the nonsense spouted in this video when you can, right here on TH-cam, watch countless documentaries about the inception of the F1, and GM's creation thereof.
They flew here from london, they told me the blinker fluid timed out @$60k, they told me exhaust spring timed out @$45k, the windshield timed out @$175k
I love hearing a guy who admits to owning Lamborghini's and Ferrari's, cry about how much this stupid car costs to maintain. Rich people problems. Lol. Same thing with the Porsche 959. One of my favorite cars of all time. If I could afford one, I'd just buy some other really nice modern Porsche. The cars are too overly stupid to drive and enjoy. Not old enough to stick in your climate controlled warehouse and wipe off with a micro fiber cloth from time to time.
That's why, when I need new tires for my F1, I just go to DISCOUNT TIRES. About $850, out the door... (seriously, terrific story... thanks for sharing!)
Knowing that someone with such little appreciation for cars bought one of the finest driving machines ever produced and proceeded to utterly under-appreciate it, makes me want to cry.
@@TheV8nissan f1 is a great car but it's more myth. People would be saying different things about the f1s if they were modern production by a no-name company. This guy is great because he's telling how great the car is actually is without blinders on. He said he misses the car because he lost money as a potential investment, and not how misses the driving experience. He's the type of person who would put a million miles on a super car if it was cheap to maintain, looked & drove great.
@@AngelGonzalez-xk8yl That's good for this guy because if he was a car guy he would be wearing blinders, and wouldn't give us the straight talk about how the car really is. He basically said if you want a car that lives up to it's hype it's not this one. It's an alright car, but you wouldn't dare put 100,000 miles on one. If you wanted to put 100k miles on a F1, even if you're one of the best drivers on the planet you'll go through many clutches because they're dog-shit that break every 10-15k miles with a good driver according to it's creator. jalopnik.com/replacing-the-clutch-in-a-mclaren-f1-involves-a-big-sla-1821432923 >The tool list to perform a clutch replacement includes a slab of granite. The F1 uses a multi-disc clutch and a small-diameter flywheel with a replaceable friction surface. To eliminate clutch chatter, the new friction surface must be adjusted to less than five hundredths of a millimeter of runout. >Measuring this requires a dial indicator and a dead-flat surface on which to spin the flywheel. Hines’ chunk of granite comes with a certificate, verifying its flatness down to 0.00004 inches. It's a load of bullshit that indicates that the car is all Hype. The amount of bullshit that goes with a F1 would enable you to put a million miles on a LFA.
@@jmd1743 You're a moron, the F1 was a car 30 years ahead of its time, not just in performance but technologically as well. The F1's reputation is completely deserved, its objectively the most revolutionary supercar of all time and there will never be another supercar like it.
I saw the video of jay "replacing" his own fuel cell. In my opinion it was all for video / show and the actual replacement was done by his team of mechanics. No way a guy that rich gets his hands dirty doing that kind of stuff. Whether he enjoys working on cars or not.. that's a pretty big endeavor to take on. He probably told his crew to set up some cool shots for video.. he moves a couple of things around *Cut tape* mechanics remove the cell, jay moves back into frame.. *roll tape* jay says he did such and such and now time to put the new cell back in.. *cut tape* etc etc
Bruh239 the Mclaren F1 comes with a whole toolbox which contains every tool needed to work on it. If you go back and watch his video he says there’s a guy named “Pani” that goes around servicing them. Needless to say the guy is one of 2 or 3 tech in the Mclaren field who are qualified to service the F1. Jay flies the guy in to do the work.
"Race car not a street car." No. "Off the shelf BMW engine." No. What is this guy smoking? Did he do zero research before sticking 1.2m down on a car from a Formula One team that he obviously begrudged paying maintenance costs for?
Interesting how it’s 50k for the process to change tires on this ‘ race car’ but if I’m correct doesn’t McLaren have true race cars on the circuit that they change their tires in between laps in about 12 seconds?!?!?! Lol 😂 Talk about getting hosed.
But its way cheaper to balance them at a factory rather than on track. That McLaren "rented track calibrated wheels" seemed nothing better than a scam.
And they spend millions of dollars designing and calibrating everything that has to do with the tires over the course of the season so they are literally perfect before each race. They don't just buy in bulk from good year.
Yes but on a race track the tires only need to last the length of the race...the F1 tyres need to last 3 years...and on the race track the cars will have a totally different suspension set-up.
The engine in the F1 is indeed a BMW engine but it was built specifically for this car, it was not an 'off the shelf' engine as said in this video. But very good video nonetheless.
It is off the shelf considering it's not built by McLaren. It's like wearing a Ralph Lauren t-shirt made by some company with a Solo name on it instead of Polo.
The F1 engine was specifically designed and built purely for the McLaren F1. It had to fit the dimensions and weight limitations that Gordon Murray specified. The only 'off the shelf' parts are the cylinder heads (perhaps only one side) which was what BMW were using for the M3 of the time....
Correction. The cars is built with carbon fibre, not fibreglass. The car was built as a road going car and then built as a race car. And no the BMW engine was not an off-the-shelf engine. It was purposely built for McLaren.
Concorde wasn't cheap to run either .... It's the price of being one of a handful of people who had the privilege of being a caretaker for a period of time. Don't try and do it on the cheap.
It surprising that someone who has owned a McLaren F1 knows so little about it. It wasn’t designed as a race car. It was meant to be the ultimate road car. The S70/2 engine shared only a vee angle and cylinder spacing with the M70.
Actually the McLaren was designed as a road car first and foremost. It was just so good it also translated to an actual GT1 racecar with minimal modifications, which is what made it such a legend. When other carmakers started making purpose-built GT1-class racecars, McLaren still competed very well, which is again a testament to how superb a performer it was, but then McLaren had to come out with the F1 GTR Longtail to defeat them.
"This truly was built as a racecar first, that they then made street legal" that's totally not true, that's why it was so surprising that it win Le Man's the first year, the Porsche GT1 and Mercedes CLK GTR were the first that were made as racecars then made street legal and were much more extreme than the F1, not undermining the F1, just saying this is wrong
The car comes with its own titanium tool kit. You could try using it... although if I suppose if you think that the chassis is made from fibreglass that might not be a great idea.
It's funny. I live(d) in Covington, GA., which is not far from where Mr. Weiner lived, and there was a lot of talk among local car guys of the Bubble Yum guy in Madison, GA. using his F1 and Enzo to pick up his kids from school. Here he is talking about his F1. It may not sound that interesting but Madison/Covington is serious some "Pork 'n Bean" cities east of Atlanta. Small world.
This was an awesome video. I would have never imagined it would cost so much to maintain an F1. Makes me really appreciate how low maintenance my NSX is. Thanks for posting.
Definitely one of the most honest and unique takes on McLaren F1 ownership I've ever heard. And I absolutely see why it left such a bad taste in his mouth. We're all OK with the thought of paying to play, and we know that if we took a car like that out for a track day there's going to be some costs that accompany that, but the thought of a vehicle costing you $50k a year just to sit there looking pretty when you had no forewarning of its impending rise in value would put most anyone off. And if you don't have a problem spending $800 on a $10 extinguisher, you're probably never going to have to make that kind of decision because you're obviously so bad with money that you'll never have enough of it to buy the kind of car that requires you do so.
Literally every other hypercar requires that much money even if you don't drive it. If you think Bugattis and Paganis are any cheaper, you have a lot to learn.
Kiwi - Andrew Bagnall McLaren F1- only two in the world fitted with the extra high downforce package, 680bhp LM-V12,spec race engine. from, New Zealand, - chassis #18 -has owned for more than ten years. th-cam.com/video/8l-p5QYGEUI/w-d-xo.html Kiwi-owned 1994 McLaren F1 supercar sells for $30,805,000 www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/115044743/kiwiowned-1994-mclaren-f1-supercar-sells-for-30805000-at-sothebys-auction#comments rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo19/monterey/lots/r0164-1994-mclaren-f1-lm-specification/792832
BMW S70/2 engine is not off the shelf. It's a purpose built engine made specifically for F1. As far away from off the shelf as possible (although you COULD say it was technically a dry sumped, bored and stroked S70B56 with S50B32's head and internals). Later iteration was put into the Le Mans winning BMW LMR.
That engine wasn't an off the shelve BMW V12.Was specially built, from a development for the never sold BMW M8, and had racing on mind from the beginning, and in fact has some of the best racing pedigree ever, as it won Le Mans 2 times, one with McLaren and another with BMW.Some people even say its the best engine ever made.
I've owned one of those cars. McLaren charged me 75k for oil changes, because the engine bearings were perfectly mated to the viscosity of the oil, which necessitates changing the main, rod, and cam bearings. This could only be done in the UK, so the shipping bill was an additional 83k.
The BMW V12 in the car is a purpose built F1 engine which was never run in anything besides the McLaren and the BMW F1 race cars... it was not an off the shelf engine.
Moral of this is Buy a McLaren F1, keep it, drive it, replace with 240mph spec tires yourself, change the oil yourself, replace fire extinguisher yourself. Buy an F1 from the start that has just had fuel cell replaced. Save thousands if not a Million dollars in 5 years and enjoy it every single day!
I hate to say it, but if you didn’t want to pay for it’s upkeep, just put the car up on blocks in your air-conditioned garage, put a cover over it, after waxing it of course, hang on for 10 years and then sell it for 15x the price. By the way I touched one of the McLaren F1’s at Newport auto sport in Newport Beach California back in the year 2000. We lied to them and told them we were there for a high school photo shoot project
The costs he is mentioning seem absurdly high, a F1 has some high running costs but nothing like he is saying and another long time owner of a McLaren F1 who posts on pistonheads said that this guy is full of it and made up huge exaggerated numbers "Fwiw, I have just watched that video again. I have nothing against Bruce Weiner (have never met the man), but almost everything he has to say about the F1 is incorrect." Its also possible that Mclaren just thought correctly that he was an idiot and as he is so clueless decided to charge him ridiculous fees
Charging people more because you feel like it makes people hate you more, not the owner. Every super car owner and exotic rental owner on TH-cam all say Mclaren’s are straight million dollar junk cars. Hard to imagine several people that don’t know each other all making the same claim without financial benefit if it wasn’t true
Slayermetallica69 That guy’s great but he simply doesn’t understand the concept of supercars in general. The only thing he values in a car is how long it can last, nothing else.
"do you REALLY need to replace those tires... Well maybe if you're going to max it out on a track every weekend but for the average Joe that's just gonna keep on picking the kids up from school those tires are FINNNNEEEE" lmao
@@DugeHick hmm. Investing. I owned a Celica and miss it but still far from the best car. Lost count how many cv joints mine went through and power steering racks. But the engine was Bullitt proof other than the silly timing belt replacement needed after so many miles.
I like all the stories, but some of the things manufacturers say are bullishit. Ok, all tires are different, so what? You bye expensive racing tires, or CUp 2 tires, if they match the size, you put them on the rims, this USA, you have many kinds of shops there, someone will swap the wheels. Then you balance the rims and tires, and you drive off for 5K $. What difference will this gentlemen feel? He said he never takes the cars to racetrack, and this is a racecar. New tires without suspension adjustment, will he tell a difference driving to his kid's school?
This guy doesn’t know anything about the F1. It has a full carbon fibre body, not fibreglass. The engine is certainly not “off the shelf”. BMW designed and built it specifically for the F1. F1 is a road car that was converted to race
mercury6765 the guy that bought this crap car knows less because he was busy at work making the money to buy the car instead of talking shit on TH-cam. Just sayin
Moral this Man's F1 was previously a race car that was converted to road car that is why maintenance is high. Gordon built the f1 in such a way that it was user friendly plus low maintenance plus you can carry your family for cruising and also illegally race on streets.
For a good 8 minutes this guy complains and completely turns me off on the car and at the end he goes "I really regret selling that car because as you know now its worth $15M" :facepalm:
He regrets not making money from the car, at no point does he compliment the car. Big difference :/ I knew Mcleran was expensive trash, but I didn’t know they were extremely expensive complicated trash. Mcleran’s if you think about it aren’t faster than a Civic Si because Civic can go 100k miles non stop going 60 while the Mcleran can go 240 MPH for only 3,000 miles to the mechanics for $50,000 service only 😂
My goal is to be able to say I bought a 1.2 million dollar car so calmly like this guy
Just Awesomee although at the end he says the car is worth 15 million today so he lost a lot of future value by selling it on before it appreciated
Agret not worth the stress. At $250,000 a year in upkeep, if he had a crystal ball there wouldn’t have been stress but he didn’t know it would be worth that. I would have sold t too
My main goal is to blow up and then act like I don’t know no body
My main goal is to be happy and enjoy life.
To make the kind of money these people have you can forget about having a lot of free time. Expect to work 10-12 hr. days and always be on call. These people aren't really ever off from work.
Let me get you started...think of it like an investment; the reason that guy can throw all those numbers around so casually is because it's an investment for him...when he re-sells the car at the right time, he could actually make a profit; which means the car was basically free to use in between (if you made a profit)..
2 minutes into this video and everyone's childhood dream goes out the window.
This video just smacked the kid out of me
Stright up lol
If you have have 20mill for one of those,the cost of them now a day. the numbers that he is saying is just pocket money
Almost everybodys..some one out there has it. .yet, after owning it..he probably ponders..doesn't make me happy anymore..what should I buy now..
Makes what you spend on those vettes not seem so bad right hahaha
I like to drive the F1 in video games.
Requires zero maintenance.
Always has perfect paint.
Thats why games exists - you can make septdecillion McLaren F1's and smack em however you like - they'll be always perfect and we enjoy that
Wow!!!! Whats next? Let me guess,porn is great? (that bitch gets f...ed all the time,and you dont need to pay even 1 drink for her)!?
@@leonefurlan137 lmao wtf
U can drive it in Driveclub with remarcable results. Its available in Gt7 too and many other racing games.
A McL F1 is built as a road car, not a race car! That Murray designed the car that good, that it only needed minor changes for racing, just shows what a genius Gordon Murray is.
Exactly. 👍 It was a road car that was modified and sent to LeMans, which it duly won.
He's not a genius. The Honda CRX Si and 1984 Corvette have higher cornering limits than a Mclaren F1. Yea. Check it out. He falsely claimed credit for the MP4/4. He's a fraud.
See the video "Steve Nichols & The McLaren MP4/4 - The Story Gordon Murray Doesn't Want Told" on here.
@@joevarga5982 I can't stand his Murray's pompous demeanor
@@SparkedEd Yea, he's so full of it. He likes to claim that the Mclaren F1 easily out-performed all Ferraris and Lambos without even trying. Yea, riiiiiiiiight! Then why specify 600 bhp when the competitors will still in the 450 bhp range? He later admitted that the F1 didn't generate significant downforce (so they were lying at the time) because they were going for top speed. WTF?
@@joevarga5982it smashed every car at the time mate what are you taking about
Meanwhile, the mclaren engineers are laughing all the way to the bank!
how u think ron dennis paid for his f1 team lol
I want to be that tire mechanic that gets paid $1000 a day to balance tires on a McLaren, alone on a private race track
You don’t need to change the suspension after you change tires if they are the same as what was just on. Even on a race car.
"Oh yes! We need to get our team together and take your car around a race track a couple times to change the tires. This process is absolutely essential to verify that your car is still fun to drive. We all get involved in this thorough evaluation."
Mclaren claimed they lost money on the car but they are still raking it in today on them
March 2019 and current value is around 16 Million + USD... and rising... this guy paid 1.2..... if he had kept it, paid through the nose for repairs.. he would still be up 13 to 14 Million..... as an investment this thing was gold...
Literally the engine bay is gold :^
Yeah just do like the japanese guy does. 0 miles, store it, doesn't spend 1$ on maintenance, when car grows on value, pay to restore, sell it for a record price.
@@cutdepiefails6596 I would add one step to your list, bruv. Right before I pay to restore, trailer it to Hoonigans and put 5 miles of drifting wheelspin on the odometer.
"100% Perfect F1, never in rain, only 5 miles in the parking lot. Never abused on TH-cam video with 3 million views."
Hindsight is always 20/20
The issue is that if you DO NOT do these factory required maintenance routines then the cars value plummets! Seriously, they have you by the balls! If you want the big returns on these types of cars, you MUST do the required maintenance
“It was designed as a race car” Sir, Gordon Murray would like a word with you.
@u knoe wat dis is middle is most natural driving position and the most optimum for weight distribution.
@u knoe wat dis is or a high performance road car...it’s the purist machine that was ever built for the road.
@u knoe wat dis is all because race teams and owners persuaded Murray to make a track version. The initial concept and mental thought behind the whole development process was a road car...go watch a documentary on it or lookup Gordon Murray you can hear it from his mouth...I got things to do today besides get into a comment battle with you.
@u knoe wat dis is but it’s a fact when the person who built it states otherwise. It’s just your opinion.
@u knoe wat dis is the GT1 category wasn’t established until 1994. The F1 was already in production before the GT1 category was ever established.
Jay Leno wouldn’t even let Doug Demuro TOUCH the steering wheel.
Now I know why.
because demuro is a scumbag
@@gillespriod5509 how so?
We sure he isn’t Jay’s illegitimate son?
I think doug said his insurance would only let jay drive it@@7Frosty7
The McLaren F1 was never originally designed to be a race car. In Gordon Murray's own words, it was intended to be a road car.
The whole idea was building the"ultimate" road car. So much of what he is saying is wrong. It's driving me crazy. He's misrepresenting the car completely.
NightMareWorldOfficial ---Although you are correct, Mr Murray’s Original design was for The Ultimate Road car, still before the Entire Production run of just under 100 examples were produced, approximately 30 ish of them were developed for Racing.. However, within a few years as the Values began to Skyrocket, a number of these Purpose built race cars were Converted to Road use. Hence, the buyer may actually have purchased one of these Converted Examples. Several years ago, I viewed Tiff Nedell test driving such an example of a Track example converted to Road status, but it was so loud inside that headphones were required to chat with a Passenger.
Exactly. Remember the lm versions were road cars modified to race. And it won the le mans race as a modified road car!
@@brenmizer123 His car wasn't converted.
@@jaythe2nd38 LM vin numbers ended with LM1, LM2, LM3, LM4, LM5. This guy's car was a regular F1, no racing history, it's fairly easy to find a list of the chassis numbers
This guy is making things up about his own car
*removes McLaren F1 from dream car list*
Adam Kushner you’ll get a Bugatti man wish you well
Do you even know... how fucking hard it is to buy one of these fuckers... in 1:18 diecast. Its stupid money.
Adam Kushner ohhh it's still a dream car.... for McLaren mechanics and engineers.
Add a Koenigsegg
Nawww its a,ways still on my list,,, one day
Buys a 1.2M car to drop his son to school.
Please adopt me. daddy!
That, my good man, was a top sucker!
Track calibrated tires. I would love to know how much McLaren personnel laughed at this.
leo arc in some ways it makes sense. Adjust suspension to the tires on the car
@@Dredded_one I understand your point. However, in this case, it does not make sense.
Both the wheels and tires' specs will be the same - Same wheels, same tires, same pressures. So, there is absolutely no reason to calibrate anything.
If we look at racing categories... F1, F2, WEC, WRC, etc. No team calibrates the suspension after a tire change (except between slick and wet tire changes). Even when F1 were allowed to mix up different compounds, the suspension was left alone.
If we look at other speed record manufacturers like Jaguar, Bugatti, Koenigsegg, etc, they did not require a "tire calibration". And I don't think that modern McLarens require it either.
It was a smart scam by McLaren in the 90's, and I assume that most costumers actually fell for it :)
@@Dredded_one It would make sense to calibrate the suspension itself, yes. But not when justified by a tire change.
As we know, as time goes on, springs change their rates, dampers wear off, etc. But a simple tire change will not change the balance of the car.
1.2mil? That price is wrong.
Inflation makes it 16-20 millions...
Someone who owned a McLaren F1 thinks that it's made of fibreglass.
Sigh.
Lifeofriley18 like nobody else caught that haha he just over serviced his car didn’t know nothing of it
Yeah the McLaren mechanics seen this dink coming from a mile away.
Andrew F. Not only that the f1’s engine was made by bmw specifically for the f1 and this guy is saying its a proven engine from bmw
Money >> Brains
Overwhelming Euphoria uh most of them are 🤔
This was awesome. You never get to see this far behind the curtain of first world problems. Perfect way to launch the car stories idea.
More like the 0.1% of the first world problems.
Yeah along of the lines of what Mike said, not so much "first world problems" as much as the "billionaire problems"
Taking into account that Im not rich, fortunately, I am not a sucker.
This gentleman's ignorance is unbelievable. He buys a car while knowing very little about it, gets scam by McLaren, and tells the story while thinking that is was the manufacturer's fault.
Track balanced suspension after a tire change. This is pure comedy.
This guy is an idiot and his story is full of errors (lies?).
Mike Huang plenty of then if ubai
Makes Lambo maintenance look cheap!
Ed Bolian Haha, isnt that the truth. You have told me some stories, but this is madness. Nice video buddy.
Thanks. Hopefully it helps spread the word about what VINwiki is all about.
Unfortunately the information in this video is mostly entirely incorrect.
Hog Wild Ohh yea? What's your reasoning?
I am a follower of a discussion on a forum with a member who owns a Mclaren F1 and has owned it for many years and other forum members have met him and been in his car and he has seen this video and stated the guy is full of nonsense.
That and the fact that this chap seems to know absolutely nothing about the car when some of his statements are very easily fact checked leads me to believe he is full of horse shit. He may have owned a Mclaren F1 and the owner I know of has said this guy did own the car he claims to, he blatantly knows nothing about the actual car.
Clutch is only good for 2000-3000 miles? Holy crap! And Jay Leno drives his all the time.
Gordon said it lasted between 5-15k depending on how talented the driver is. Add that to "back to fiberglass", "designed as a race car", "off the shelf engine" and you get the idea this was not the right kind of person for that car
daniel tabarcea I know when he said fibreglass lol
@Budget Boost DIY McLaren F1 car is a race car and if it's faster with weight reduced clutch that lasts less, it will use the weight reduced clutch. Basically, if you want to know how much something costs, McLaren F1 is not the right car for you.
I'm going to bet he is not going with McLaren's philosophy about changing parts that would seem "just fine". I recall he did originally send the car to McLaren and among other things, they replaced the windshield wiper. It cost him $6,000. He was "surprised".
@Budget Boost DIY you cant compare a dodge to an F1
I know the F1 is a legendary car but the maintaince is crazy
What's crazy is that someone that collects cars and is clearly an intelligent man wouldn't research the maintenance costs of a vehicle he wanted to purchase (although given all the experience he had he may have just assumed what that would've cost). The maintenance is so insanely expensive because McLaren stipulates the maintenance procedures for the vehicle must be in-line with and comparable to the level of care given to a racecar. Not just a racecar, but a racecar that's being driven to the level that it was designed to be driven every time that it is driven AND under the assumption that it's driven like that several hours a day, several days a week.
It's like when people make videos about what it would cost to own a Formula 1; yeah, sure, you can break the value of each of the individual components down and give someone a hard number for the value of the vehicle by itself. But when you take a look at what it costs to maintain that vehicle to the level that it has to be maintained... well, you find out that you basically have to own an entire racing team to even possibly consider it.
That's why the McLaren F1 is as expensive to maintain as it is, and honestly taking into account that all of that is absolutely necessary to assure it stays as valuable as it possibly can be and runs to the specs that it is advertised to be able to run at it's entirely worth all of it AND all things considered it's not THAT expensive.
Brohemoth Thank you.
Brohemoth
Finally, someone who understands true value.
i don't think the whole process of maintenance is really nessesary.
SteelVsMetal Like with the Bugati?
the tyre story was hilarious
seems pretty much like a fancy story to make the owners think they are not being scammed. Of course race car tires are balanced on a machine and not everything adjusted to them. Or are really complex race cars like F1 or LMP1 doing another 2-3 adjustment pit stops after the actual pit stop?
Would only make sense if they put a new model of a tire on there, but even then it is very far fetched. And McLaren for sure only puts lifespans on half the parts to make sure they earn a load of money on maintenance even though most F1s just do max. 500 kilometers a year
f1 tyres are balanced just like road cars. he is getting SHAFTED
It is to do with Camber changes, different compounds will make the car roll over onto the tyre more so than others, the stickier the tyre, the more it will need a camber adjustment and also sway bars tightened and spring rates changed along with rebound settings too, obviously this is only if you are super good on a track and are on track all the time, for the road with this guy, he didn't need all of that for just putting around, especially seeing he is a self professed "Not a good driver" and never goes to the track (What a shame).
McLaren are right in what they say about the adjustments, but for this guy? Yeah he never needed it, they did shaft him IMO too, yes they are great cars, but the basics of physics and engineering is essentially the same across all performance cars, I think McLaren are just super picky about everything as if you are always sitting in the pits of an F1 garage, for 99% of people this is overkill.
If you are not racing and just putzing around the street it wouldn't be a big deal. Unless he planed to do high speed runs and put a ton of miles on it, and the people buying these cars don't tend to put many is any miles on them at all.
Yep. This dude has definitely been lied to :)
First time I’ve ever heard bmw engine and bullet proof in the same sentence
Richard Bryan Look up how BMW prep their Formula 1 engine blocks.
They start by leaving it out in the rain for 3 years and peeing on it behind the shed.
S50 b32 is bulletproof couse its half an f1 engine
Almost every bmw Engine is bulletproof only the „n“ 4 cyl are shit
@@user-wn3ww5lw5j lol are you serios? s54 got problems with its vanos, crank shaft bearings, oil pump, cylinder head gasket, s65 is also awful with its crank shaft bearings....
n54 got problems with the turbos, injectors, high pressure pumps
HustlerTrickipedia on the high reving m Engines a crankshaft Bearing is a normal replacement Part like a Sparkplug and only the First n54 had Problems and It was fixed by bmw for free
' And i thought it was strange that every timer i spoke to the guy in the UK he had a Nigerian accent'
This cracked me up!!! Nice!!!
Well played. Guy got duped
"Its a road car" "its not fibreglass" "the uk is not London" "its not an off the shelf BMW engine" this is what happens when non car guys get rich.
he literally said it’s a race car turned into a road car...
F1 was only ever designed as a road car, yes it raced but this was not what it was originally designed to do, there isnt a scrap of fibreglass in the car, the engine is a Design purely for the F1 built by BMW and is as far from off the shelf as you can get. Thats before you get to everyone in the uk living/working or shit being built in London, most fucking hate the place.
I am not sure what you are quoting there, are you quoting what he said, or are you quoting your thoughts?
It's a carbon fiber car, not fiberglass. UK isn't London and he never said it otherwise, he said that the engineer or the factory is in London, but he wasn't sure if they were in the London, so he corrected himself and said UK instead, to cover whole country because the location from where they send their Engineer from was unknown or forgotten.
And engine was specifically made to meet the placed requirements of how F1 should be.
You either need to clean ears, like someone said, or you are not a car guy yourself and should be ashamed of not knowing the history of this iconic car yourself. Google is right there, you could just google the shit before you write anything and think you are smarter, when in fact you are full of mistakes.
bloody hell lets put this a different way for the simpletons, (the car was never designed as a race car like he stated) (the car is quite famously made of carbon not fibreglass as he stated) (the engine is not an off the shelf bmw engine like he stated) (to americans quite famously they see the uk as just London)
@slam zamillionyeah ok ya mug 🤡
"they removed the fibreglass" ..... isnt this car full carbon fibre??
Yup, yet this is only the second comment that seems to mention that
rich asshole doesnt even know what the cars made of lmao, doesnt deserve to own such a legendary car. atleast hes aware that he will crash it trying to use it
.....fibre.....
The paint is fiberglass
@@billybobcobb6324 it isn't.
Sounds exactly like owning a private jet...the initial cost of the plane is only the start
most million dollar planes dont go up in price though lol
This also applies to boats.
Reminds me of stories of rich athletes buying expensive houses, when told their $5 million house costs $75,000 a year(property tax) they say......"I already paid for the house".
No it's not....it's clear you don't know anything about owning exotic race cars...it's more like buying a piece of property..
@Pappy Tron , If true, that's disgusting. This is why people say taxation is theft, half a mil in tax on a property you own is just ridiculous.
And im sad the alternator broke on my Toyota camry
I was pissed when I had to replace the spark plugs in my chrysler sebring. Damn things were expensive. Oh well, I've already put 15k on them. Should probably check them.....
@Not Hitler It was a joke to the fact that the set of plugs was much less than an alternator in their Camry.
Not Hitler- get an education then and avoid cars like that.
Scotty Kilmer is not impressed.
Not Hitler wow a couple hundred dollars, big deal.
So if I had a f1... And parked in my garage and never drove it. In a few years I would need to sell my house to replace the fuel cell... Hmmm... Sounds reasonable
bowtech1020
Not really, the cars still run, you’ll just have lights that are on as a reminder for servicing. If ignored it could be potentially devalue the car.
@@paulbrooks5612 How much? Just 1M off the 15M price lol
I'm sure you could afford to pay 100k in repairs when your car is worth 15m lol
The F40 is the same, but the US-spec has metal fuel cells due to crash safety standards whereas all other have Formula 1-grade synthethic cells. It's common to replace the latter with steel ones to avoid the huge cost.
@@paulbrooks5612 Its not lights since onboard systems can easily be overridden. At the start, he mentions the "provenance " of the car. It's documentation that traces the car from new and shows that maintenance was performed as required.
I knew the costs for such exotic cars were batshit crazy, but this one takes the cake :-)
Great speaker too!
watch t pain explain how one of his 10 radiators in his veyron cost 100g's to fix
The guy is super ignorant and knows very little about what he actually had so they completely to advantage of him
Tires for the Veyron are more than 100,000. Same deal as the F1, but I think instead of air they fill the tires with helium that has been filtered through a supermodel's otherwise empty digestive tract. That's a LOT of supermodel helium farts, the cost would be even more but the fart collector guy works for free.
@@WelcomeToMyDreamno they just have to glue the tires to the car
So let me get this right. They ask you to pay for their Mechanic to rent a race track to drive your car around it for the day. Then bring it back to you in a truck. While you stare at it in your garage. That's got to be the worst financial sucker punch I've ever heard.
Might as well drive it all the time, right?
I just drive mine in circles all day and through burger kings but then when I get to the window I just speed off, don't need any foot fungus in my lettuce, no sir. One time I raced an airplane, the airplane won, but I was faster than this skinwalker thing, weird to find one at a burger king, but I did win that race, then there was this one time at band camp...
Well, he never said how much did he sell the car for?? (we know he bought it for 1.2 mil)....at the end he was actually disappointed he didn't hold on to the car till it was worth 15 mil...factoring the initial cost and the total maintenance cost; even if he sold it at a loss, it probably wasn't all that much to be considered "the worst financial sucker punch"..
Worse is Ferrari. Buy an FXX and they don’t even let you take ownership of the car. They meet you at a track once or twice a year, and you get to borrow your car for a few hours they they take back possession. You don’t even get to keep your car.
@@johnd9357 , That's because it's not road legal, it's a track car and you can take them out whenever you want as long as you have the money.
How the hell did someone so clueless find themselves in a position to buy an F1? This says more about him than McLaren and I don’t think they come out of this well.
Making money and being smart enough to understand your wallet doesn’t make you an expert are two different skills sets.
Unfortunately this guy just has one.
@u knoe wat dis is you clearly didn’t understand my comment if that’s your takeaway - try again.
@u knoe wat dis is your wallet doesn’t make you an expert in all things.
Aka just because you can afford it doesn’t mean you know about it.
Jesus. You know you're rich when you use a McLaren F1 as a "carpool" car.
The funny thing is he drove it as a carpool car because he was afraid of wrecking it by driving it too often. So the ultra rich, like Elon Musk, can just daily drive the thing without caring if he crashed it.
Well, ya figure every one has to try and UP the other dude...
I think its kinda hard to UP a F1.
@@mikehuang1369 Elon Musk would Hate this car......tesla being Electric and "good for the environment" plus he won't know how to drive it 😂
@@brandonar868 elon musk actually bought one after selling PayPal and proceeded to wreck it. So yeah I would say he didn't know how to drive it lol.
Brandon AR15 It was actually his dream car and he bought one.
It was my understanding Gordon Murray never intended the F1 as anything other than a road car. Also a lot of things that he says time out on it are age sensitive on any car. The F40 for example has fuel bladders which need replacing.
"Clutch is good for 2 to 3000 miles" .... WHAT?!
2,000-3,000 miles is probably with the idea the driver is going to be hammering it, if you are just using it on the street for moderate driving it would probably be fine for longer I would think.
Fuck that car ! Come on man ! What kind of clutch is that ?
It's a race car, low clutch life is expected.
Patrick KIELEM it‘s not the car nor the clutch. It‘s the fact that they know an F1 owner is going to pay for it either way...
3k miles for an F1 is like a decade's worth considering how often they are driven i reckon
Never regret being practical. Even at a$15 million value, a couple million in maintenance over the same time of ownership is tough to swallow. I'm sure there are more stories out there like this. Thank you for sharing 🙏
Jay Leno literally flies the tech from McLaren to his facilities to do the work on his.
Jay leno worth half a billion dollars
Elliot Rodger I hear you own a very nice looking bmw yourself. Just ask your rich father for the f1
@Elliot Rodger The supreme gentleman.
Christian S bro im fuckin dead
Isn't that what this guy just said? Either they will fly out to you or you can have it flown to them. In Leno's case, he likely has any tool they'd need other than factory software to communicate with the car, which can be done over satellite link or likely Bluetooth to a tech who brought the stuff with him.
Good to hear that he has sold it. Hopefully it has gone to a more deserving home, with an owner who is more educated about the car & willing to drive it as intended.
Absolutely
Exactly my thoughts.
Jay Leno said in a story that he sent his in for a service and they charged him $1,400 to change a windshield wiper blade
Damn...XD
Idk why this video is still up vinwiki - almost every single thing he says is incorrect.
How?
Trwood14 imagine saying that someone who owned the car is incorrect
Angel Zaragoza everything he says about the car is wrong lol
Angel Zaragoza you can own as many cars as you want, just because you own one, doesn’t mean you know anything about it. This guy is a complete moron and knows nothing about the Mclaren F1, he didn’t deserve that car
@@Internetpimp I guess you, as someone that will almost certainty never even be able to think about owning own knows about servicing one and the costs.
It's a 15 million dollar car that's a punchline
Kiwi - Andrew Bagnall McLaren F1- only two in the world fitted with the extra high downforce package, 680bhp LM-V12,spec race engine. from, New Zealand, - chassis #18 -has owned for more than ten years.
th-cam.com/video/8l-p5QYGEUI/w-d-xo.html
Kiwi-owned 1994 McLaren F1 supercar sells for $30,805,000
www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/115044743/kiwiowned-1994-mclaren-f1-supercar-sells-for-30805000-at-sothebys-auction#comments
rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo19/monterey/lots/r0164-1994-mclaren-f1-lm-specification/792832
Bro. You can't say "I have pictures of the [repainting] process. They charged him $250,000." and then not provide us the pictures? C'mon man! You tease us!
Great story otherwise.
What are you snorting? That was a terrible story, I lost brain cells listening to it. I feel like the world is in actual trouble now, Greta's been right all along
I think he's wrong about the BMW engine, I believe it was purpose-built for the McLaren F1 and anything but off the shelf.
It’s essentially a new engine and it was purpose built for the F1, however it shares a similar design and is designated as an iteration in the same family as the engine out of an 8 series (e31). It uses quite a bit of off the shelf bmw parts but from a wide variety of different engines.
He’s definitely wrong about it being a converted race car for the streets. It’s actually the other way around, it was originally a purpose built streetcar using many properties of race cars to create an ultimate streetcar. Then the design was converted to become a racing car with the gtr series.
@@will3346 Re engine, was purpose built for this car - in fact it was too heavy for the specification but BMW manage to push more power out of it which is how it still made it into the F! - VERY PURPOSE BUILT through personal discussions with BMW at the time. Kinda makes the whole video rubbish from that point on.
@@will3346 you must also own a f1 and spoken with the factory
@@ADAM-tw6ej There is literally an official book called 'Driving Ambition: the official, inside sory of the McLaren F1' which has all the details and even original sketches, interviews from the designer Gordon Murray.
You don't have to be an owner to know these things. The person in this video clearly isn't very knowledgeable about the car.
Very interesting video. But there is quite a lot of holes in this story. Smells a bit funny.
That was an awesome story
Agreed. This channel has a ton of good storytellers.
I'm so glad I didn't go through with my purchase ;-)
I hear ya Wayne :P
Ajaxaxxess Kharma's got me back. I didn't buy that F1, I bought a Nissan Note instead which has cost me £38.99 for a new sump.If I'd bought the F1 I'm sure the snow and ice here wouldn't have torn the sump unlike my plate metal sump on the Note😠😉I'm such a loser
lol.. yup same!
Have a good day man!
As an aircraft mechanic this sounds very very familiar dealing with new owners or people who want to buy but dont know anything about the cost of ownership.
Doesn't like driving cars, buys a McLaren F1!
Well he did say at the start he forgot about wanting one for awhile till the original owners lawyer called a year later to see if he still wanted it.
some exotic cars just stop being driven after some time
AL Emotionalism
*racing
I'd like to say that cars like this should be driven, but collectors and investors who just lock away their cars are the reason many important cars still survive.
The added costs of getting new tires reminds me of one of my favorite childhood books, If You Give A Mouse A Cookie. 😁
2:25 "it's a racecar made to drive on the road" and "it's really a race car" uhh, literally no. it was not at all designed with competition in mind. Gordon Murray wanted to build the ultimate street car.
He probably had one of those race cars converted to road use.
but let me get this straight:
Why would you want to balance your tyres(maybe even suspension) to race track when you drive it on the road?
iare19 this guy had no clue and he was played. He even said the body was fibreglass . You get the idea!?
@@jijo666 and he said the engine was off the shelve, when it was bespoke
He said all the tires were all slightly different, and that's why they had to get the suspension just right.
They set the racecar to racetrack specs. Why is that so hard to undersrand?
@@getchasome6230 okay...but he says that he doesn't use it on the track. So why would he need it set up like that? And even if he did use it on the track having the tyres balanced like that will make no difference to someone if his skill level. He literally could have paid the $7000 for the tyres and got them fitted the same as a normal car. The guy is an idiot.
Damn bro, they took you for a ride! “
“Hey, let’s tell this guy we have to take his million dollar car on the track and make him pay us 50k to do it!”
I’m the guy who you bought it from that made all those modifications ;-) You can see the delivery and some track time on my channel. That car had quite a life. Probably need to share some of my videos and stories one of these days. I must have a 100 hours of footage in a dozen cars from back in the day. Good times.
while it's nice to hear an ex-owner talk about his car... there is a huge amount of factual inaccuracy in this video. I won't go through it all as i will just get a lot of hate for it, but i'll just point out this. The Mclaren F1 was expressly a ROAD CAR, definitely not a race car. This is both in Gordan Murray's design brief, calibration of suspension, bushings, and a host of other parts including the transmission, intake system, exhaust and so much more. In fact, when customers asked to take this car racing, Mclaren initially denied their request because these cars were designed at all levels as a road car. It's only after a lot of pressure, that they made some dedicated race cars out of the F1 (GTR, GTR Longtail etc etc) and it was adapted to the track. It's ok to not know all your facts, but there is so much in this video which is incorrect that it's a bit of a letdown.. especially when it's an actual owner who is giving the bad info. oh well.. it's just the internet.
EDIT: when he says "this isn't really a prototype built car, has a stock BMW engine, I think I heard Paul Roche vomit. How unbelievably uninformed is this guy?.. is this just a troll video and I didn't get the joke?
alexioflexio I think this guy is just full of shit
At the end of the day, the F1 is kinda overly hyped. Dude owned one and realized it just wasn't worth keeping it around. If only he held onto it a bit longer to sell it in today's market. Lmao 15mil for this car is insane.
alexioflexio I thought you were not going g thru it.
i didn't.. that was the cliff-notes for people who can't handle a lot of information. i hope it wasn't overwhelming to you
Sounds like he was looking for an investment, not a car
Awesome video but I have to mention one thing, Gordon Murray built the F1 as a road car first and foremost. That was always the goal and is why is has three seats and as much luggage capacity as a ford fiesta. Even after seeing it's success he was reluctant to give the go ahead on the F1 GTR's of 1995 to be made.
I mean it was the homologation specials like the 911 GTR and CLK GTR that forced McLaren to actually develop the car for the track, creating the 1997 Longtail. What made it amazing was that, before that, a road car competed at a high level racing class with minimal modifications.
The 2nd &3rd seats were after thoughts...if they werent plausible this car would still exist as a 1 seater. Sorry but your premise is not accurate!
@@Jdalio5 You are incorrect. If you study the history of the car or read the book Driving Ambition, you will know this.
GM designed this first and foremost as a road car (but an uncompromising one). Yes, it has race-derived tech (F1 tech always filters down to the masses eventually), but this priority is also why it has A/C, a radio and lots of luggage space (relatively speaking). The driver sits in the middle because GM felt that was the purest and most natural driving position for any car, and results in the best possible field of vision - not because it was designed as a race car. From the outset, it was designed as a three-passenger car.
While there were always questions on how the F1 would perform in professional racing, it was never a design goal and never seriously considered until well after the car had entered production. Some individuals closely connected to McLaren convinced them to work on a racing variant after launch.
While other manufacturers had to build "homologation specials" (street-legal versions) to conform to the rules of some racing series, the street versions they produced were difficult to drive and extremely uncomfortable to use on the road (CLK-GTR, GT1 etc) - they truly were race cars converted for road use as cheaply and simply as possible to just barely conform to the rules at the time. In fact, the spirit of the rules were such that the racing was meant to be for race cars that were variants of road cars, not the other way around. Most of the manufacturers however built the race car first and the road car second, flouting the true spirit of the rules and the racing series. McLaren was the only manufacturer who did it properly - they adapted a base road car for racing. The amazing thing about it is that in spite of relatively minimal mods to the car, it still beat cars designed for the track. This is perhaps the best testimony on the underlying design and the genius of GM.
The fact that it broke the speed record and held that record for a decade was also a byproduct of the design - it was never a serious goal. GM felt speed-chasing was just headline bullshit, and he focused instead on chasing the best possible driving experience with the lightest possible components, whilst still maintaining a base level of comfort and practicality for long-distance road use.
TLDR: The design absolutely was, first and foremost, a road car. This is indisputable if you speak to, watch the interviews of or read the writings of anyone involved in the development of the F1.
@@xxxDeaDLocKxxx Thank you for that. It's mind blowing that people believe any of the nonsense spouted in this video when you can, right here on TH-cam, watch countless documentaries about the inception of the F1, and GM's creation thereof.
They flew here from london, they told me the blinker fluid timed out @$60k, they told me exhaust spring timed out @$45k, the windshield timed out @$175k
Lmfao
Omg this was actually fascinating I had no idea servicing an F1 wa like this lol.
Jay Leno's Garage has a pretty extensive video on replacing the fuel cell and repainting parts of his McLaren F1 street car.
It's amazing how much of what he says is WRONG
Welcome to YOU TUBE
Care to explain why?
I love hearing a guy who admits to owning Lamborghini's and Ferrari's, cry about how much this stupid car costs to maintain.
Rich people problems. Lol.
Same thing with the Porsche 959. One of my favorite cars of all time. If I could afford one, I'd just buy some other really nice modern Porsche. The cars are too overly stupid to drive and enjoy. Not old enough to stick in your climate controlled warehouse and wipe off with a micro fiber cloth from time to time.
@Andrew Kay oh, its definitely stupid. When a rich guy is crying how much it costs, it's definitely stupid.
@Andrew Kay what you said it absolutely right
I was about to buy F1 but then changed my mind after this video
That's why, when I need new tires for my F1, I just go to DISCOUNT TIRES. About $850, out the door...
(seriously, terrific story... thanks for sharing!)
Knowing that someone with such little appreciation for cars bought one of the finest driving machines ever produced and proceeded to utterly under-appreciate it, makes me want to cry.
When it's coming from your bank account or lack thereof maybe you'll actually cry lmao
@@TheV8nissan f1 is a great car but it's more myth.
People would be saying different things about the f1s if they were modern production by a no-name company. This guy is great because he's telling how great the car is actually is without blinders on. He said he misses the car because he lost money as a potential investment, and not how misses the driving experience.
He's the type of person who would put a million miles on a super car if it was cheap to maintain, looked & drove great.
Most people who buy stuff like this don’t make money off the car industry. Their forte is all about business and making money.
@@AngelGonzalez-xk8yl That's good for this guy because if he was a car guy he would be wearing blinders, and wouldn't give us the straight talk about how the car really is. He basically said if you want a car that lives up to it's hype it's not this one.
It's an alright car, but you wouldn't dare put 100,000 miles on one. If you wanted to put 100k miles on a F1, even if you're one of the best drivers on the planet you'll go through many clutches because they're dog-shit that break every 10-15k miles with a good driver according to it's creator.
jalopnik.com/replacing-the-clutch-in-a-mclaren-f1-involves-a-big-sla-1821432923
>The tool list to perform a clutch replacement includes a slab of granite. The F1 uses a multi-disc clutch and a small-diameter flywheel with a replaceable friction surface. To eliminate clutch chatter, the new friction surface must be adjusted to less than five hundredths of a millimeter of runout.
>Measuring this requires a dial indicator and a dead-flat surface on which to spin the flywheel. Hines’ chunk of granite comes with a certificate, verifying its flatness down to 0.00004 inches.
It's a load of bullshit that indicates that the car is all Hype.
The amount of bullshit that goes with a F1 would enable you to put a million miles on a LFA.
@@jmd1743 You're a moron, the F1 was a car 30 years ahead of its time, not just in performance but technologically as well. The F1's reputation is completely deserved, its objectively the most revolutionary supercar of all time and there will never be another supercar like it.
Jay Leno has one. He's saving $ by maintaining it himself?
I saw the video of jay "replacing" his own fuel cell. In my opinion it was all for video / show and the actual replacement was done by his team of mechanics. No way a guy that rich gets his hands dirty doing that kind of stuff. Whether he enjoys working on cars or not.. that's a pretty big endeavor to take on. He probably told his crew to set up some cool shots for video.. he moves a couple of things around *Cut tape* mechanics remove the cell, jay moves back into frame.. *roll tape* jay says he did such and such and now time to put the new cell back in.. *cut tape* etc etc
Bruh239 the Mclaren F1 comes with a whole toolbox which contains every tool needed to work on it. If you go back and watch his video he says there’s a guy named “Pani” that goes around servicing them. Needless to say the guy is one of 2 or 3 tech in the Mclaren field who are qualified to service the F1. Jay flies the guy in to do the work.
"Race car not a street car." No.
"Off the shelf BMW engine." No.
What is this guy smoking? Did he do zero research before sticking 1.2m down on a car from a Formula One team that he obviously begrudged paying maintenance costs for?
Correct. Not designed as a race car, quite the opposite.
And he’s scared to drive it 😂.
He should lend it to me, I’ll use it like the plumber uses his mrs
Also the street car was never fast on a track...like Most Production ferraris ;-)
This guy deserved to be taken to the cleaners. Off the shelf engine? Race car? He doesnt deserve this car.
Worth by some estimates a cool 20 Million nowadays..Yea...I'd be sick knowing I'd sold one too early.
Interesting how it’s 50k for the process to change tires on this ‘ race car’ but if I’m correct doesn’t McLaren have true race cars on the circuit that they change their tires in between laps in about 12 seconds?!?!?! Lol 😂 Talk about getting hosed.
They can change tires in 1.9 seconds, and they seem pretty well calibrated to me :)
All the tyres and wheels are pre-balanced to each F1 car, pre-race, and at huge cost.
But its way cheaper to balance them at a factory rather than on track. That McLaren "rented track calibrated wheels" seemed nothing better than a scam.
And they spend millions of dollars designing and calibrating everything that has to do with the tires over the course of the season so they are literally perfect before each race. They don't just buy in bulk from good year.
Yes but on a race track the tires only need to last the length of the race...the F1 tyres need to last 3 years...and on the race track the cars will have a totally different suspension set-up.
The engine in the F1 is indeed a BMW engine but it was built specifically for this car, it was not an 'off the shelf' engine as said in this video. But very good video nonetheless.
eSysman the block was off the shelf
Justin Davison right... Bmw just happened to have a v12 block capable of handling 620hp and decided not to do anything more than 380 with it...
It is off the shelf considering it's not built by McLaren. It's like wearing a Ralph Lauren t-shirt made by some company with a Solo name on it instead of Polo.
Flash You clearly don't k is what you're talking about so I'll not bother trying to explain. Do some research.
The F1 engine was specifically designed and built purely for the McLaren F1. It had to fit the dimensions and weight limitations that Gordon Murray specified. The only 'off the shelf' parts are the cylinder heads (perhaps only one side) which was what BMW were using for the M3 of the time....
Correction. The cars is built with carbon fibre, not fibreglass. The car was built as a road going car and then built as a race car. And no the BMW engine was not an off-the-shelf engine. It was purposely built for McLaren.
Concorde wasn't cheap to run either .... It's the price of being one of a handful of people who had the privilege of being a caretaker for a period of time. Don't try and do it on the cheap.
320ifq lucas Oh love that you compared this car to Concorde but I don’t think everything McLaren says applies.
Still watching in almost 2020!
It surprising that someone who has owned a McLaren F1 knows so little about it.
It wasn’t designed as a race car. It was meant to be the ultimate road car.
The S70/2 engine shared only a vee angle and cylinder spacing with the M70.
Actually the McLaren was designed as a road car first and foremost. It was just so good it also translated to an actual GT1 racecar with minimal modifications, which is what made it such a legend. When other carmakers started making purpose-built GT1-class racecars, McLaren still competed very well, which is again a testament to how superb a performer it was, but then McLaren had to come out with the F1 GTR Longtail to defeat them.
my McLaren never gave me any problems, just regular oil changes and it was all good, best daily driver I've ever had.
Was it an F1 or was it a 12c. Big difference.
You should listen to Scotty, and had bought a Toyota.
"This truly was built as a racecar first, that they then made street legal" that's totally not true, that's why it was so surprising that it win Le Man's the first year, the Porsche GT1 and Mercedes CLK GTR were the first that were made as racecars then made street legal and were much more extreme than the F1, not undermining the F1, just saying this is wrong
The car comes with its own titanium tool kit. You could try using it... although if I suppose if you think that the chassis is made from fibreglass that might not be a great idea.
whewww man I dodged a bullet, so glad I didn't go buy a McLaren F1.
I never thought hot wheels could be so expensive to maintain!
This guy literally fell for everything in the maintenance managers black book
dang and GM wanted $800 to change my water pump, said screw them and did it myself.
It's funny. I live(d) in Covington, GA., which is not far from where Mr. Weiner lived, and there was a lot of talk among local car guys of the Bubble Yum guy in Madison, GA. using his F1 and Enzo to pick up his kids from school. Here he is talking about his F1. It may not sound that interesting but Madison/Covington is serious some "Pork 'n Bean" cities east of Atlanta. Small world.
This was an awesome video. I would have never imagined it would cost so much to maintain an F1. Makes me really appreciate how low maintenance my NSX is. Thanks for posting.
Definitely one of the most honest and unique takes on McLaren F1 ownership I've ever heard.
And I absolutely see why it left such a bad taste in his mouth. We're all OK with the thought of paying to play, and we know that if we took a car like that out for a track day there's going to be some costs that accompany that, but the thought of a vehicle costing you $50k a year just to sit there looking pretty when you had no forewarning of its impending rise in value would put most anyone off.
And if you don't have a problem spending $800 on a $10 extinguisher, you're probably never going to have to make that kind of decision because you're obviously so bad with money that you'll never have enough of it to buy the kind of car that requires you do so.
Literally every other hypercar requires that much money even if you don't drive it. If you think Bugattis and Paganis are any cheaper, you have a lot to learn.
You think that's a nightmare. Elon Musks story is nightmare. "The best part is that it wasn't insured."😂 Anyways, well done VinWiki. Great content.
$1.3m? Too much... $1.2m? Sure.
That’s like saying you’re willing to pay $32,000 on a car but not $35,000.
lol I was the guy
Kiwi - Andrew Bagnall McLaren F1- only two in the world fitted with the extra high downforce package, 680bhp LM-V12,spec race engine. from, New Zealand, - chassis #18 -has owned for more than ten years.
th-cam.com/video/8l-p5QYGEUI/w-d-xo.html
Kiwi-owned 1994 McLaren F1 supercar sells for $30,805,000
www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/115044743/kiwiowned-1994-mclaren-f1-supercar-sells-for-30805000-at-sothebys-auction#comments
rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo19/monterey/lots/r0164-1994-mclaren-f1-lm-specification/792832
What? $3000 is still $3000. $100k is still $100k.
BMW S70/2 engine is not off the shelf.
It's a purpose built engine made specifically for F1. As far away from off the shelf as possible (although you COULD say it was technically a dry sumped, bored and stroked S70B56 with S50B32's head and internals).
Later iteration was put into the Le Mans winning BMW LMR.
That engine wasn't an off the shelve BMW V12.Was specially built, from a development for the never sold BMW M8, and had racing on mind from the beginning, and in fact has some of the best racing pedigree ever, as it won Le Mans 2 times, one with McLaren and another with BMW.Some people even say its the best engine ever made.
Best engine ever would go to the AMC straight six.....BOOM!!!!!!! roasted.....lol
I've owned one of those cars. McLaren charged me 75k for oil changes, because the engine bearings were perfectly mated to the viscosity of the oil, which necessitates changing the main, rod, and cam bearings. This could only be done in the UK, so the shipping bill was an additional 83k.
So the engine internals wear out in a standard service period!!!!! id call that bad engineering ...
Apparently, I've been balancing my racecar tires wrong for years, someone bring me a STIG! LOL
The BMW V12 in the car is a purpose built F1 engine which was never run in anything besides the McLaren and the BMW F1 race cars... it was not an off the shelf engine.
It wasn't an F1 engine, ever. It was an engine made purely for the McLaren F1 road car based on the BMW V12 used in BMW road cars.
Oh my, the comment section is just hilarious, a lot of ppl saying this guy idiot etc. seriously, it's his car, his money. Why do you guys so salty.
He doesn't own one.
Moral of this is Buy a McLaren F1, keep it, drive it, replace with 240mph spec tires yourself, change the oil yourself, replace fire extinguisher yourself. Buy an F1 from the start that has just had fuel cell replaced. Save thousands if not a Million dollars in 5 years and enjoy it every single day!
Id like to see Jay Leno do a video about maintenance and cost of his. Mcleran
th-cam.com/video/IQ8DHtR9P7w/w-d-xo.html
The volume's really low on this video... Had to turn it all the way up too actually hear anything....
Flower Pot not really either you deaf or you need new speakers for your phone it’s half volume on my phone and I can hear perfect
nope he's right it's a lot lower compared to all the other videos on the channel.
Yes it is .the one video I actually want to hear. And to prove it.. the ad after the video came on even louder..
I hate to say it, but if you didn’t want to pay for it’s upkeep, just put the car up on blocks in your air-conditioned garage, put a cover over it, after waxing it of course, hang on for 10 years and then sell it for 15x the price. By the way I touched one of the McLaren F1’s at Newport auto sport in Newport Beach California back in the year 2000. We lied to them and told them we were there for a high school photo shoot project
“How crazy expensive is it to maintain a McLaren f1?”
Well his 1.2mill is around 30mill now so not really too bad, really...
The costs he is mentioning seem absurdly high, a F1 has some high running costs but nothing like he is saying and another long time owner of a McLaren F1 who posts on pistonheads said that this guy is full of it and made up huge exaggerated numbers
"Fwiw, I have just watched that video again. I have nothing against Bruce Weiner (have never met the man), but almost everything he has to say about the F1 is incorrect."
Its also possible that Mclaren just thought correctly that he was an idiot and as he is so clueless decided to charge him ridiculous fees
Yeah this guy seems like a bullshit artist.
Charging people more because you feel like it makes people hate you more, not the owner. Every super car owner and exotic rental owner on TH-cam all say Mclaren’s are straight million dollar junk cars. Hard to imagine several people that don’t know each other all making the same claim without financial benefit if it wasn’t true
The F1s engine was not 'off the shelf' from BMW, it was designed and made specifically for the car to Gordon Murray's requirements.
imagine your dad... picking you up from school... in a mclaren f1?
I wonder what Scotty Kilmer would say about the McLaren F1
Slayermetallica69 That guy’s great but he simply doesn’t understand the concept of supercars in general. The only thing he values in a car is how long it can last, nothing else.
He's a pesant with pedestrian mentality. He says 30 year old Celica is best car for fuck sake.
"do you REALLY need to replace those tires... Well maybe if you're going to max it out on a track every weekend but for the average Joe that's just gonna keep on picking the kids up from school those tires are FINNNNEEEE" lmao
@@DugeHick hmm. Investing. I owned a Celica and miss it but still far from the best car. Lost count how many cv joints mine went through and power steering racks. But the engine was Bullitt proof other than the silly timing belt replacement needed after so many miles.
I owned one before in 2005 he's not lying...
I like all the stories, but some of the things manufacturers say are bullishit. Ok, all tires are different, so what? You bye expensive racing tires, or CUp 2 tires, if they match the size, you put them on the rims, this USA, you have many kinds of shops there, someone will swap the wheels. Then you balance the rims and tires, and you drive off for 5K $. What difference will this gentlemen feel? He said he never takes the cars to racetrack, and this is a racecar. New tires without suspension adjustment, will he tell a difference driving to his kid's school?
well most cars dont got 240+ mph lol, veyron tires prob cost more
This guy doesn’t know anything about the F1.
It has a full carbon fibre body, not fibreglass.
The engine is certainly not “off the shelf”. BMW designed and built it specifically for the F1.
F1 is a road car that was converted to race
mercury6765 the guy that bought this crap car knows less because he was busy at work making the money to buy the car instead of talking shit on TH-cam. Just sayin
Moral this Man's F1 was previously a race car that was converted to road car that is why maintenance is high.
Gordon built the f1 in such a way that it was user friendly plus low maintenance plus you can carry your family for cruising and also illegally race on streets.
For a good 8 minutes this guy complains and completely turns me off on the car and at the end he goes "I really regret selling that car because as you know now its worth $15M" :facepalm:
He regrets not making money from the car, at no point does he compliment the car. Big difference :/ I knew Mcleran was expensive trash, but I didn’t know they were extremely expensive complicated trash. Mcleran’s if you think about it aren’t faster than a Civic Si because Civic can go 100k miles non stop going 60 while the Mcleran can go 240 MPH for only 3,000 miles to the mechanics for $50,000 service only 😂
Richard “if you think about it”. Yeah. I doubt you have ever put thought into anything, with such a stupid statement.
That’s 15 million for a “maintained” car with all service records.
@@Mr_Bones. it's the best road car ever made
The McLaren was my dream car when it cost a hair over a million dollars.
Moral of the story - the driver that is sent out to balance a new set of tires gets to drive all the F1’s without the cost of ownership. Be that guy 😂