Ford Raptor R vs RAM TRX: After Off-Roading Both, One Is Clearly Better!
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Tommy and Roman take the Ford F-150 Raptor R off-road in Moab to see how it stacks up against the RAM TRX.
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To me, the Rapture and TRX are both really nice trucks but not worth 6 figures, but then again, the whole car market has gotten out of hand.
TRX is easily 20-30K cheaper if you beat dealer mark up.
Agreed. The kid's right. That should be, at most, a $70,000 truck. I heartily disagree with Dad.
Why not worth 100k? These are heavy trucks that go as fast as modern sport/super cars that sell at 200k plus. Why do you expect ford and ram to be cheap with their hard work and engineering?
No current vehicle is worth what the asking price is in 23’
There's a lot of tech in those vehicles.
Tommy nailed it....Raptor with 5.0 for reasonable price would sell like crazy
Yeah good luck lmao this car will be 60,000 used in 10 years with low miles
Ford doesn't have a problem with demand. We waited over 2 and a half years just for our Bronco Raptor to get into production. There are dozens of people who want Raptor F150's and most dealers only get a few allocations, which is why they are going for 40-60k over MSRP.
Ford doesn't care about their customers. I'm considering a TRX for that sole reason.
@@dansteiner9393waited over 2.5 years for a vehicle that has been out for 1. Yeah.
@@The-fs5wnwe put in an order for a Bronco Wildtrak, then converted it to a Raptor when Ford offered it to us. For the record, it still hasn’t arrived. Ford, meanwhile, has delivered dozens to the big dealers in Phoenix. So much for giving loyal, long-term reservation holders first dibs.
@@dansteiner9393 dealers have a lot of allies in a lot of US states. They have too much negotiating power. In a lot of places, Ford can’t make direct sales.
I love the Raptor R way more than the TRX, huge shoutout to Ram for making the TRX otherwise Ford probably wouldn’t have made this! Both trucks are badass
My trx goes through mall puddles extremely well and powers through the .5 inch water without a hitch!!
Your TRX doesn’t have a hitch?? :P
@@ALMX5DPThat made me chuckle. Well done!
Mall puddles lol
Lol
I drive mine EVERYWHERE no joke
I came here for the TRX, but it never come!
Me being a mopar guy I of course had to disagree with these guys , but these are both AMAZING trucks! Awesome vid guys, keep it up!
Raptor R is superior … they should have offered it in lesser optioned specs like the TRX does though
@@BC08they do, it’s called Raptor, without the R
@@tammieandrzejczuk2573 No they don’t as that is EcoBoost 3.5 powered. The Raptor R - WITH the R - being the subject of my statement.
@@BC08u do know it's not stopping sales lol so why would they . Literally seen 3 trx trader for Rs and I was trading in my gt500 just not paying 160k like the guy who out bidded me.
@@BC08the TRX was designed to outcompete the Raptor in almost every aspect. Difficult to consider it “superior” given this fact.
Like you mentioned in the video, most Raptor owners will probably not take their trucks off road. I would love to see these trucks tracked on an autocross or a race track to test their ability to handle on asphalt. The Raptor, Raptor R and the TRX. You’ve done a towing, rock climbing, off roading and drag race tests but no road course. That would be an awesome test.
Not true crazy but there not many of them and more are on trails then i thought would be I've actually seen 2 in person muddy and I can't wait .
Plenty of raptor owners take the trucks where they are meant to be. Look up Texas raptor runs. Many of us spend tens of thousands making our trucks more off road worthy and put them to the test.
Yes
Road tests indicate that the TRX is very stiff on road, while the R is basically like riding on a cloud.
I agree that the Raptor R comes basically fully-optioned. The TRX does require a few packages to compete. Even with said packages, the cost is less than the Raptor R.
My original talking point was the actual transaction price of the Raptor R. As of 7/29/23 there are 4 Raptor Rs available nationwide on Autotrader. The listed price was $50,000 above MSRP. A reply to my original Comment indicated a markup of $100,000 on a Raptor R earlier this week.
Currently on Autotrader there are 341 RAM TRXs with the Level 2 package. The Level 2 package evens up the features with the Raptor R. All of these TRXs are priced $110,000 or lower. 32 of these TRXs are priced below $100,000. Both trucks are excellent. The issue with the Raptor R is price and will continue to be as long as Ford dealers continue to gauge their customers. Because of that the TRX will remain a better value than the Raptor R.
Spot on. Even at base MSRP the Raptor R is more expensive than a *fully* loaded TRX - ask me how I know lol. And the reality is the R will always be more expensive as time goes on. The used market will still reflect the ADM the original R owner is trying to recover. I got my '23 TRX for $11k UNDER MSRP... lol... So I took the funds needed to cover ADM of the R, and added more stuff to my TRX
The TRX explodes in an impact tho & crumples up like a beer can or a ford Bronco….it’s actually a POS
This has to do with the demand for the vehicles. Raptor R is simply more desired by people, thus its market value is higher. The fact that ram TRX has over 300 available on auto trader while being cheaper shows that people really don’t want them that much.
The market demand sets prices not the dealers :)
@@powtheory867 they’re either used and/or customer orders that end up listed by dealers due to their automated system. Every single TRX ordered ends up purchased. The ADM by ford dealers is because ford corporate isn’t doing anything to stop it, and the fanboys are stupid enough to pay it
@@powtheory867 on top of that the TRX crumples like a tin can & bursts into flames in crash tests - seriously 🥶🔥
You guys went higher in RPM each time you tested the different exhaust notes so of course it’s going to get louder lol
that's exactly what I was thinking
lol yeah sounded good in the first and didnt notice a difference until the last high 7000rpm rev lol
i agree its bs
@@carculturenation2166 The problem is the camera / microphone. You maybe noticed that in each and every video, these cars have an awesome sound, but there is not much difference. Usually, the sound gets normalized while recording. So while being next to the truck, you'll hear the difference, you won't hear it on a recording.
@greenrush4313 Hello, I own a 2023 Raptor 3.5 Eco Boost. There is a big difference in the exhaust note in each exhaust setting, especially if you actually change what mode the truck is in (normal, sport, baja) cause that changes the attitude of the motor as well. Sport mode will quickly shift, especially if you are slowing down and will rap the exhaust with each downshift. Honestly, IMO, it sounds pretty good. Be well, my friend.
I am a life long Ford Guy and I wanted a Raptor R so bad. Unfortunately the 109K starting MSRP plus a 25K dealer markup was just to big of a kick in the nuts to take. I went to the dark side and got my 2023 TRX for 11K under MSRP and never looked back. The Raptor R may be "slightly" better but not for the 50K I would have had to spend to get it.....TRX ALL DAY
Smart man
Honestly if you got money for either, more power too you their both gorgeous trucks. And I’m shocked you were able to get the Trx under msrp I live in the bay and the markups on those things were insane
@@bronchitis1564 there’s at least two dealerships that offered it for the 22 and 23’s. I got mine from Grainger. The 11k off was for level 2 equipment. Folks from all over the country would fly in to take delivery from this dealership. I personally only had a 4 hour drive lol
Some dealers are marking them up $100K
@@Matt-tt4cu yeah that’s crazy all around me they all cost 110k minimum
When Tommy first started reviewing vehicles, I was not a fan. Since then, he has be come the best reviewer at TFL….hands down, and one of the top guys on the internet. Tommy is great at talking the audience through what he’s doing, describing the vehicle, great at painting an image with words (which is how we process information), and he’s easy to listen to because is has great verbal skills. Great job Tommy!
I couldn't disagree more... he's the reason i unfollowed the channel. Sometimes i want to know about certain vehicles an will stomach him.
@@luvdoctor96he sounds fake to me
Excellent video fellas 👏 Beast of a truck for sure!
You guys should go down to Baja and do some tests on the trucks
I think people would really like to see that
Or at least anza borrego!
The Dodge won't make it, it's not a real Baja truck bro.
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr Lol it's not meant for jumping its meant for having fun and having some high speed fun
@@BijanY A Kia is made to drive but do you think it will outlast a Toyota or Ford? That cheap a& chit Dodge threw out there can't compete in a real baja race, A Corvette can race against a Ferrari or Lamborghini but do you really think a Corvette is better than a Ferrari or Lamborghini?
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr : Define what you mean by better when comparing a Vette to a Ferrari or Lambo.
What a monster this baby is ❤
Well, $110,000 might be the sticker price, but last weekend when my son called a San Antonio Ford dealer he was told that they add a $50,000 markup to the sticker price and then auction it to see who will offer them the most over the $50,000 markup.
So if anyone in the TFLoffroad community knows of any Ford dealer who will sell the Raptor R for very little over sticker, please put it out. Thanks.
160k+ is wild bruv, I can name many things I would rather buy for that much money
they most the time not correct with price, they talk about sticker price but not real price
While I was doing the paperwork for another truck I talked to the salesman about the Raptor R and admitted that they only order 10 for the year and auction them off over sticker price like you said but he also said the other option to avoid that markup is to go in and custom order your raptor R and you avoid that auction as well as that markup but most people don’t like to go in and order a raptor r and wait the months for the manufacturer to ship it out
Sound of Freedom!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Talking about your original Raptor took me back to old videos on Goldmine Hill and the Raptor Rescue videos. Good stuff!
For some reason I enjoyed the videos on the Trex so much more. It was such a fun truck. Maybe it was because it was the first to really put out the crazy horsepower. Great video guys. You ought to check up on the old truck and see how it's doing.
Power is only as good as the chassis it’s bolted to.
Go to Harbor Freight buy a tri ball and put it upside down in the hitch an ruin a $25 hitch ball not a $110,000 truck.....
Or buy a hitch slider
Worse thing the big 3 ever did was run the exhaust straight out the back on trucks. Dual exhaust that have been ran straight out the back has been getting mangled for decades on trucks. First thing I ever did to a truck that had the duals running straight out the back was have them changed to come out at a angle to the sides behind the tires more out of harms way. But new trucks has indentations in the rear bumper to where it would look stupid moved.
Smart mf
the TRX starts at $86k and there are ones available for MSRP. The Raptor R starts at $110K and there isn't anybody getting that price unless they have million TH-cam followers. I'd take the TRX for now.
People say that the TRX brought out the v8 in the Raptor, but wasn't it already planned by Ford to bring out the v8 considering the chassis was already built before the TRX, they even had plans for it before the TRX was introduced since the Raptor came out before. The R came after but that still means the only thing they changed was the engine, it always was overbuilt to prepare itself to have a v8
@@raionshishi8290 the Raptor was a V8 before it wasn't a V8. My dentist has a 6.2L Raptor. I wish they still made that truck.
@@bryanhersman4037 Well yea that's basically the case. People claim the TRX brought about the V8 super truck, but that already existed as the 6.2L Raptor existed. If a super truck is defined by it having high horsepower from a massive v8 engine and is a off road ready truck than the Raptor fits all of that criteria even if the TRX has more HP, because at the time of the 6.2L Raptor it was the highest hp for a truck of that time and it was the only truck of that time with that much hp and capability off road to match. So basically Ford already had it all yet people claim the TRX is the one to had done it.
Excellent video fellas
So cool! I’m in Moab today (just missed you by a day) and running Tumbleweed Ranch tomorrow!
I'm really between the chairs. I love the supercharger whine of the TRX and the aggressive look, but I also love the R. At the moment, I can't decide which one I would buy.
The plus for the TRX, is the much better availability here in Germany (imported from the US), compared to the Raptor R (also import) with the long wait list in the US.
Right now, I could get the 2023 TRX in the Havoc Edition for €147.900, but no dealership has the 2023 Raptor R available and when asked, they sometimes predict the price to be €200.000 to €250.000, which is insane.
In case you are wondering, importing Pickup Trucks is pretty expensive here in Germany.
Transport & Insurance is about €3000 to €5000.
We have to pay 22 % customs penalty for importing a Pickup Truck and at the end, the total sum gets also 19 % VAT on top.
So the 2023 TRX Havoc Edition, for €147k, is a fantastic price.
R1T destroys both. And its cheaper
I went to the EU (Germany, Italy, and Spain) and a compact suv like a rav4 barely fit, I wonder how this would do
@@eugene44569 I don't live in a big city. I live in the rural country side in Germany. Space and large vehicles are not a problem here
Get any if fuel wasn’t an issue, but I believe you might not need an offroad monster in Germany probably get the new mustang
@@turkialjadani168 I'm fully focused on Pickup Trucks. Sure, the new Mustang is awesome, but I want a big fat Pickup Truck with a V8
Tommy, looking good💪🏾whatever you are doing keep it up!
Reducing air pressure (air down) the tires would avoid tires spinning and would allow "crawling" up and also improve traction over all on this type of terrain.
What happened to the used AEV Wrangler that you guys bought? It disappeared...
I’m not knowledgeable about the EPA guidelines but would a NA 5.0 v8 with cylinder deactivation be more fuel efficient than a v6 tt?
The point is he got the R for $110k. Nobody else will for less than $150k.
It is not worth that money
Ford should name their next truck called “Astroid”.
killing off the Trx & Raptors.
Tommy and kase in a off-road video I’m happy. The goats of Tfl.
The raptor started the game and I’m glad to see them keep improving. Boss ass truck!
You cannot get the Torsen Front locking differential in the Raptor R?
This is the only Raptor R that will see off road.
Hard facts
Lol, clearly, you don't search TH-cam cause you would know that's not true. Many of these vehicles aren't mall crawlers.
They sell these to farmers in rural areas also. It's kind of a status symbol for them but they still go off road.
Well I know of less than 10 Rs on instagram and more than half are getting absolutely beat on.
Ain't that the truth. If posers would stop dumping money on these things maybe ....I'm sorry, I hate trailer queens.
How much energy is released during the decay of a deuterium nucleus?
I'm with Tommy, $110,000 is just too much money. Really all trucks are too expensive. Hopefully the prices can come down at some point. Why is a XLT with V8, off road package, 5 1/2 bed, center console, and leather seating $65k? Just insane!
Not too expensive to those that can afford it - it's all relative
Yup. I was just thinking my 2018 Lariat had a sticker a little over $60k, which was a lot then, but with little haggle and incentives was $48k plus tax and fees. If I build the same truck now its $75k and little to no inventives. A base Raptor in 2018 was $52k also. I could afford a new one but its such a waste of money. Ford needs to bring back a more entry level Raptor with a 5.0 for the $60k range.
Don't hold your breath, they won't, unless you dethrone the ruling elite who have enslaved the world via the evil banking system.
raptor r all day honestly i would take a tuned v6 raptor over trx. But nope best way to go is buy a 35k v8 f150 for 35 to 55k and the coyote just needs boost and fuel. which means 15 to 20k for that and another 5 to 10k for a street or offroad suspension depending what you are into. and a coyote can make up to 1200whp on stock sealed engine and watch midnight performance they make so many stock sealed coyote f150s that run 8s in the 1/4 mile which is faster than multi million dollar bugattis and other Ferrari and lambos that are even modded a awd coyote f150 with a big turbo blows them away light to light
Raptor R is way better. I have a Raptor SVT so, I'm a bit partial as well. 🖤🧡
What i love about these guys is you know theyre the dweebs that werent popular in high school, considered nerds probably, and have made a living out of it. We all drive trucks and can find this out ourselves but they made a niche doing it for us, especially the higher end trucks. Good on you boys. Most of us will wheel with what we have and thats not your market. Cheers!
Could you do the rubicon trail in this truck?
I love both and can afford neither
Incredible! I understand that it is a limited production vehicle but nearly doubling the price only cements consumer's opinions that many dealers deserve never to be trusted. I wish the reviews from TFL would acknowledge the reality of pricing for the public for the Raptor R that is in their fleet. A vehicle that they purport to only cost $114K that most likely bypassed any involvement from a dealer.
Yeah! I want more Raptor R!! It doesn’t get old, keep up the videos and conversation about this super truck please
Amazing truck
The video I been waiting for 🔥
I really wish you guys would not stick the mic in the exhaust when rev'ing. Hold it back 3ft so it doesn't over drive it into static.
So why did you only rev to a low RPM in the quiet mode but once you got to off-road mode you almost tripled the revs? Doesn't really give a good one-to-one comparison on the difference in exhaust
It annoys my ocd that Ford made different "R" red. On the bedsides its (R)aptor, and on the tailgate it is Rapto(R)
The bed sides it is red on the back R. Rapto(R) on drivers side and (R)aptor on passenger side.
Can you please Do an off road test on the Suzuki jimny
I love the fact that you guys actually take these high dollar performance trucks off-road and use them as intended.
At first I thought as well that they should've done more with the Raptor R other than a badge, some stickers and a slightly bigger cowl. However, I've changed my mind. I love the subtlety. For one, I'm not a huge fan of gawdy trucks. Just look at that trend of putting on low pro tires on huge, wide wheels and putting on underglow. Not for me, sorry. I really don't feel like I need to announce to anyone else what I'm driving. If they know, they know. I think it looks way classier keeping it subdued.
Plus, think of this. 20+ years down the road, these will be rare trucks indeed. I like the fact that you'll have to get a little closer to it see if this actually a Raptor R or "just" a Raptor. Think like Grand National vs. GNX and you'll get the vibe.
Also, I'm totally with Tommy on manufacturers producing a more budget minded off-roader. Think of like a combination of a F-150 XL and Raptor. Keep the suspension, all the off-road goodies, and a high performance engine. That may even be desirable for some businesses that need a more rugged and off-road worthy truck that need to get to places that are off the beaten path. And yes, Roman, to your point, you can go buy an older generation Raptor and save money, but there is something to be said about buying a new pickup. Sometimes it's just nice having a new truck. Everything is clean, nice, not worn, and by being the only owner, you know how it's been taken care of.
both trucks are nice ❤️
I love the sound of the exhaust I would be leaving that exhaust mode in the loudest all the time😅😅😅
I think it’s cool that the R is a little bit of a sleeper
Where's the TRX ?
You guys forget about the red tow hooks? Easiest way to spot an R.
What is the name of this trail?
Forget that give me a stripped down raptor with the 7.3l.
When is the Colorado ZR2 going to take on MOAB?
Amazing Raptor
A sad thing you said most those trucks don’t see dirt lol
I love both truck but until Dodge takes a factory TRX and runs it in the BAHA 1000 and can place 3 or better overall then the Raptors will still be the better of the two trucks but I can’t see Dodge ever putting it to the test
Wish GM would give Silverado ZR2 the same treatment as Raptor and TRX get.
Wish Ford could make the Raptor R more available so these dealers would stop adding these ridiculous ADMs.
So which one is the "clearly better" one ?
The newer one which the TFL marketing company was asked to promote. Then about a year later the other company will have an update and ask them (pay them) to promote their new product. Then about a year later the other company will again have an update and have marketing companies like TFL promote it, and so on and so forth...
Exactly !
Ram
The raptor r no doubt. Rides better , more travel, faster…..
@@freedomisntfree_44100k vs 150k with markup. For a tiny bit faster? And with massive oil leaks and lawsuits already pouring in. So which one is actually “better” ?
They say money doesn't buy happiness but I've never seen a sad guy driving a TRX or a Raptor R.
How long do you think it will be before you get to try a Ranger Raptor? Half the price.
dealer markup will put them well over sticker........
@@lrlapua8035 I'm hearing from a lot of guys that are getting them at sticker. Some between 5-10k over.
I would like to see ford do a 5.0 raptor base truck I think it would sell and do there option super change package on top if you wanted
Excited to see the ranger raptor at some point since that’s the one I get to buy no f150 here
I’ve taken both off-roading and from what I can say is that the Raptor r is better, especially for rock crawling. Every inch of clearance or suspension travel counts when off-roading and the raptor beats the TRX in all of those.
No TRX has more clearance
Drove both raptor felt way less responsive. TRX had way more clearance. 🤷♂️ Never see raptors off-road when I do they’re being towed out unfortunately. Always tacos tundras rams. Floridas terrain is more muddy tho and just my opinion. Raptor is a hell of a machine tho.
The reason it is so much more expensive than a “base” TRX is because Raptor Rs come with every option as standard. If you check every box on a TRX I think it’s about $106,000.
No one does this math lol
Love both trucks neither loses here. The TRX sounds better coming at you with the supercharger whine and all. While the Raptor R sound better pulling away from you, with it's more higher pitch race sound exhaust. As far as looks, TRX definitely has more presence and it's bigger as a T-Rex should be. I wish Ford did something more to the cosmetic of the Raptor R. And it's more agile and quicker as a Raptor should be.
You can always change the exhaust note
Lol
The 2024 R is redesigned
Where’s the TRX? Which one is better and why?
I still haven’t even found a Raptor R on the lot yet?
MSRP between Raptor and TRX are close. However dealers sell Raptor R with market adjustments of $90k to above $100k; Fortunately TRX can purchase below $10k below MSRP or at MSRP. No brainer to spend another 6 figures for Raptor R.
110k sounds ridiculous for either the raptor r or the trx
But in reality if you figure up what it would cost to take a regular f150 or ram 1500 and build either of them into one of these you’d be spending closer to 200k
Engine swap
Axle upgrades
Suspension upgrade
Computer upgrade
Transmission upgrade
And so on and so on
But if you do happen to drop 200k I’d imagine you’d go for a better suspension than either offer
But these trucks from the factory can still tow. Reasonable for what they are
It’s a small market but the market is there and we all want one or the other
I grateful to be in a time where they will build something like this for us the enthusiasts
Love or hate ford and ram they are at least attempting to listen to their customers and deliver badass vehicles
There’s always room for improvement
But my opinion is that they both built amazing trucks that that are extremely capable and taking into account what you get for your money I think they did it for a reasonable price tag
Great video Roman/Tommi/Kase , i would still buy theTRX if i could afford one, My dentist here in Manitoba just got his 2023 TRX loaded just not that ultra fancy one and paid sticker for it and it was a factory order, he has had it for 4 months at the end of July and has already 12,000kms/7500 miles on it and loves it and also purchased the longest most expensive extended warranty from Dodge he could, it is an expensive truck and repairs could be pricey, I think the colour is gunmetal grey, he luvs it especially the exhaust note, and said it still burns less gas than his 454 powered stern drive boat does,LOL, 👍
Punctuation.
Nice swatch I got the same one lol
Tommy could just raise the seat up if he can’t see over the hood lol
Tommy wants the side pipes so you can clear butt scratcher. ;)
Oh wow so great 👍 and very beautiful 🤩❤️ and the engine 🚂🚒 very strong and powerful for the off 🛣️ road 💪🛣️ or high way and very good design for the new 🆕 generation hument very easy to drive and comfortable ❤.
Roman is right, when you compare to porsche etc it makes more sense. I do think ford should make a supercharged v8 version with the rear coils that's more for street/towing and less offroad.
Agreed, this is still cheaper than a base 911, much more practical if you exclude MPG or urban parking, and just as likely to see off-road as a 911 is to see a track. At the end of the day they are just toys, and as such, the Raptor R's competition is way broader than just the TRX.
Reminds me of what they used to say a Jeep Wrangler's primary competitors were... a Jet Ski or a Mistress.
You can get any trim of F150 now with the FP700 package and make a High powered street truck
@@chrisgill7824 yeah just won't have the beefier transmission, transfer case, rear coils or 60k warranty. but year a 5.0 tremor with supercharger is probably going to be popular.
@chillinspearfishin actually with the FP700 package you are still covered by warranty.
@@wolfeman79those supercharger packages from ford usually drop the warranty to 36k from 60k
"Haha it's america dude!" Yessssss.
I think we need a refresher on what 6’-6” looks like 😂
Tommy is being very hopeful. A 4x4 super crew work truck with a v8 will run close to 50k
Aluminum on a truck should be a crime, coming from a life long ford superduty owner. My next truck will probably be another brand
Tommy is right… and don’t worry Roman. I’m much older than him and my back can still handle a CJ’s suspension. He’ll be fine 😉
Booyah 👊🏽 😁 👍🏽
Strip down version with a 5.0??? Tremor package is a solid choice for that
Tremor has no suspension compared to the Raptor.....
It seems that the Raptors suspension is well suited for jiggly man nibblets.
I agree with Tommy and not Roman. I can’t imagine spending $100,000 on a truck and putting it in harms way. The fact that Roman disagrees and he has the money to buy a truck like that and put it in harms way shows that he’s one of the very few percent of people that Tommy was talking about that have, the financial capability to do that. A strip down 5 L coyote raptor would be an amazing truck and yes you can get a first GEN raptor but good luck finding one with under 100,000 miles on it.
dont forget the 50k markup on them
Used to 30-40k for a truck? Hell no. I remember years ago when TFL truck started complaining that 60-70k for a heavy duty pickup was way too much. 50k for a decently equipped half-ton. That was literally near the beginning of the channel. You guys said it was inflation and I kept arguing that yes, it's inflation but it was self imposed because back then the price to manufacture hadn't changed and the average American wage hadn't changed. Wages are still basically the same and vehicles have gotten more expensive. The dealer markups are disgusting. I love the vehicles but I'd literally have to take out a second mortgage to get one. The only thing good that's changed is our house was just under 300k and now it's worth almost 600k. No way I borrow against that though. I'll move in about five years and pay cash for most of it and probably get a used pickup.
I will keep my 19 Chevy ZR2 AEV Bison 2.8l TD
Tremor R from Long McArthur Ford
That camera is on its way out. So much artifacting and hot spots showing up, lol. Edit: Or actually looks like there really was that many bugs flying around. 😂
Nice, but the TRD pro is in another class
I love the content. But my local dealers are $150k for the Ford . It’s all fun and games but realistically we the people will never be able to afford either of these trucks.
Use the 2mph cruise control In heavy traffic! Just crawl along instead of stop and go for 110k😢
I still think the price is way too high even with all that technology. You're still better off building your own dedicated offroader.
Testing on Moabs famous newbie trail , is not what i would think is a true test on a $ 100.000 off road truck .
For all you Ford fan boys, all you need is to watch 19:50-20:23 and you can see how much more the TRX is. Sledgehammer is obviously much more satisfying.