Manufacturers have gone nuts. I bought a 2014 Raptor limited edition for 57k out the door. 114k isn't even realistic anymore and they have priced themselves out of most people's price range!
Your raptor didn’t have a supercharged 700hp engine in it, 12” touch screen, live shocks, active exhaust etc. they’re arent comparable in features why would they be comparable in price 💀
This is the Roman I like to watch. Relaxed. Supportive. Not overly goofy. A boss to respect. And I agree about which truck you chose Roman. They are a helluva lot of $ however, that Raptor R is worth every penny IMO. For that V8 rumble. And all the other things it does and has as well. lol
Wow, lots of negative comments this morning and there may be truth when they say the holidays is tough on some people with mental health issues. This was a great video. It’s amazing that just 3 years ago you could purchase a fully loaded TRX for less than the the RHO.
Comparing to a truck from many years ago makes literally zero sense. Compare the RHO to a base model Raptor and suddenly, the RHO is the far better bargain. Just say you're a mindless Ram hater and move on.
Base for base, they are pretty close in price, but have you looked at current prices for just regular 1500s. You can easily get a Rebel up to $75,000, without all that power, wide body or advance active suspension. What is a last call TRX going for now? $120K? Compared to the Raptor V6, the RHO is a bargain, with much more power and about 10K cheaper spec for spec.
@@gpajeActually, spec for spec, they are about the same. Don’t believe me, go price them out. I did and the RHO comes in about as much as a Raptor 37 PP. Soooo, base Raptor is actually the bargain here.
@Pilot545 I did price them, I'm actually in the process of choosing one of them, and the Raptor is more expensive with substantially less power, how do you figure it's a bargain, even if they were the same price considering the power difference??? 37" tires aren't that expensive, also the RHO is 37 ready with 90 more hp.
Give the Power Wagon a crack at that stuff please. Both R and RHO are insane rigs. The overall performance and off road abilities of these rigs is quite impressive. Comphy too. For us older folks this stuff would have been a pipe dream in the 60s 70s and 80s.
Sounded like a little excuse making for the R on that first obstacle. It definitely struggled more mainly because you could see it feeding more power to the tires without traction and less to the ones that needed it whereas the RHO seemed better at distributing power where it needed to be. Better clearance on the R was evident. Very good comparison and both trucks were very close and did well overall.
There were numerous tests by TFL and Driving Sports TV where it shows Ford wheel braking AWD is struggling in comparisons to point it's not getting out actually on different vehicles same way, it's ok they can improve most likely, Ford should so the AWD together with 4 Auto is complete
100% Correct, and that was supposed to be fixed by applying the brakes to the wheels with less traction to trick the trucks into applying the power where needed...at least with Nissan back 10 years ago...apparently Ford didn't pick up on that...and it was very obvious.
Two things were the problem here, 1- the driver was obviously afraid of the Fords extra power plus apprehensive due to these being borrowed vehicles. 2- The driver is not that good at off roading, especially in the snow and ice.
@@2003evodave 2 ways I would refute that. 1. The trucks were driven nearly identically, and the "light" tires were spinning on the R, so the power was there. 2. These guys live in and operate all the TFL channels out of Boulder. They drive off-road and in the snow for a living. There are few out there with the experience of these guys. No need to make excuses for the R. It certainly is better in other ways just not that.
The RHO seems like a good truck at a reasonable price but im still concerned about the long term reliability of that overworked engine. Still remember when the TRX started at 70k when it debuted, crazy economy.
You guys really need to perform these snow and ice comparisons with same tires on both vehicles, it’s the only way to really see the difference in the actual trucks
That makes zero sense....Your 114K (Before Dealer ADM) Raptor or Raptor R comes with BFG (SUCK SUCK SUCK) tires...that's Ford's choice...and RAM went with Goodyear, which comes on some of the Ford Broncos ironically....so it's 100% Fair OEM vs OEM
@@Ozzyfrk18 I agree 💯 !! Then the RHO would make it look that much easier. If the Ram had 37s and KO2s which isn't my fave tire by far it would make it look way way easy. The Raptor would really look like it's struggling if they did what u suggested about the tires.. and the last thing he said when they picked which truck they would want he said the raptor because it sounds better LOL that's the only thing he could say. But in my opinion if you put an exhaust on that inline 6 twin turbo hurricane engine I love the sound of a turbo better than I do a supercharger anyway at crawling speeds with a good exhaust damn inline 6 turbo sound like a little diesel I would much prefer that over the faint whine of the supercharger or exhaust note of the raptor. And on top of that yeah the raptor has a couple hundred more horsepower but what are you going to do put a smaller pulley on it get a little bit more power out of it. Turbos or limitless they can make that ram stomp that raptor easily with some tuning some fuel and a few other things. Me personally I would 100 % take the ram just as they are right now. Use the 20,30 thousand-dollar difference in cost and make a 1,000 horsepower RHO on 37s.. hey we can all dream can't we lol.. I'm content with my Cummins right now but it would be fun to have that RHO
@@DWH300 diff perspective, I like it we all have em... Which part in particular do u see the other way around if I dont mind me asking? I know it's not the part about them being biased towards Ford they are in every single video. And if it's about what I commented on and the tires u say the raptor would do better with the RHO tires and 35s? Just confused about which part u see the other way? Thanks for the reply though.. hope to hear back from ya !
Difference here is tires, put the 37's on the RHO you have the same clearance, and similar approach/ departure. I would also bet it would slip around, KO2s are know to struggle in wet, wet snow, gret in dry snow.
You can definitely see the Ram 🐏 out perform the Raptor on Razor Rock. To much slipping. Front wheel on the Ram would lock up with abs way before the Raptor. These trucks are toys. I drive an AEV Prospector Power Wagon on 37's and is a tool. Great video, as always. Ram wins 🏆 again. Real world reviews. Before the power wagon Before willys Before jeep Dodge 1.5 ton 4x4 military truck since 1934.
@zelenizub2036 Less reliable based on what? Do tell keyboard warrior. I've owned Bronco's and F-150's from the 70's-90's..Most were crap in reliability. 😂
No, they won't last as long. I have 2000 F 150 with 270,000 my neighbor has 2019 ram with 60k and the Hemi with cylinder delete and it is trash. He needs to replace or rebuild engine If I bought something with cylinder delete, I would buy the kit to disable it
@TheBronco67 Ya. I've had 3 of those triton junk V-8 Fords from 97-2004. Spark plug spitting junk motors that all leak at the back of the cylinder heads . Low torque , low HP junk. If this is your idea of a great engine...🤣
@@TheBronco67 and yet my '72 Dodge D150 440 still runs great with 110,000 miles, '83 Ram 318 still chuggin with 178,000, '92 Dakota 318 is a workhorse with 219,000 & my landscaping truck '96 Ram {my last new truck} with 425,000 miles on the 360! Theres a reason I never bought a Ford after watching a few buddies have problems, all my problems were just routine stuff & never any major issues
Todays truck's are priced for super stars not for the average blue collar worker, and to put a finger point to that. We can't really work on them any more.The one thing most could take pride in doing now is gone. Not to mention the price to fix them. That's the real kicker $$$$ So as you watch all theses super stars show how good it is, just remember what we are loosing. And that's a lot!!!
Dude! And every guy, including myself who’s ever been out in a four-wheel with buddies who own Fords knows this and what happens halfway through the trip as you start seeing them finding excuses to go home or something else they gotta do they don’t wanna be embarrassed any longer and they bow out seen it half a dozen times And the guys who didn’t bow out always say “well I gotta go home and figure out what’s wrong with my truck cause this thing usually rips on the trail and I leave everyone behind but today it didn’t do very well“ lol and I always laugh. Well this is par for the coursefor me in my ram leading. There’s a reason there’s a tow hook on every Ford.
These are great $65,000.00 trucks! On a side note. hardware stores sell "High-visibility Water-based Marking Paint" in assorted colors. The paint is great for marking the ground if you want to repeat your path.
@@AmericanSurvival001 Have you ever been around construction sites and saw the orange ground or the grass coming up orange? Sorry, it doesn't happen because the paint dissolves in a week or two. It's temporary marking paint. Firms that mark underground cables or pipes use it.
I'd say the RHO kicked the Raptor's butt in this one. Climbed better, handled the obsacles better (and with 37" tires to equalize against the Raptor, wouldn't have scraped at all) and is $30K cheaper. And yes, it looks better!
Yeah, you could upgrade to 37" tires for far less than $30k. The RHO also has a better front diff than the Raptor R. IMO it certainly looks better. The interior alone is in it's own league, as usual. Ford guys will continue to shill though.
@@jc6618 Exactly, Ford has tons of recalls and problems. The Hurricane is a brand new platform and will have some teething pains. Certainly nothing to worry about in the long run. Also, the Hurricane isn't a "Stellantis engine", considering it is built in the US by Chrysler engineers, and shares less that 3% of its architecture with other engines.
If it weren’t for ppl commenting about “PrICeS”. It is what it is. And I love how yall do truck stuff I want to learn and talk truck things not bicker over price just do truck things. My motto is just send it
When snow wheeling you guys should wear a winter beanie and leather gloves to stay warm in the winter. Just saying this as a suggestion for staying warm during the winter weather.Thank you for the video.
Great video and driving. These are the videos that are truly helpful to someone like me who's looking to buy... it's nice to see real world comparisons vs paper comparisons.
You guys are crazy if you think $114k is what people are actually paying. Minimum $10k markup, likely $20k. When you compare the RHO actual vs Raptor R actual $45k - $50k difference.
The reason I say I'm happy with the engine in my 3rd gen Tacoma because it's 2000 lb lighter (4,500lbs) than these trucks. Anything I've thrown at that Tacoma TRD off-road 4X4 it has done VERY well had a lot of fun in Phoenix lake pleasant area & around crown King there's all kinds of trails. I don't go on anything hardcore but still doing what it does is amazing 🤩 you don't need to spend $80,000 to have a great time my truck was $41,000 with 120,000 mi warranty, manual transmission & probably more reliable haha... I just put on sumo spring bump stops to help with the washboard roads & when I'm towing, I also got it OTT tuned
Wouldn't a Raptor 37 be a better opponent, I only thought they got the Raptor R because they still had some time with it after the drag race, but they seems to really focus on the price, which really is just for the engine and cool stickers.
The RHO is cheaper than the base Raptor though and makes 100hp more. So it really doesn't matter which truck they pair it against. The RHO has a nicer interior as well.
For those looking to off-road their RHO, do not buy those steps. Clearly lost several inches of clearance over the rocks. Other than that, sweet truck!
Raptor has the steps as well. The steps on the RHO sit higher than the skid plates underneath and they help with gravel/rock chips in the paint. If the RHO had the 37s that the Ford does, it wouldn't have scraped the rock at all.
"Pull the bandage off" is funny. I don't understand why car manufacturers build a so-called extreme 4x4 with side steps. If the car manufacturer is installing 1 or 2 lockers, 35-37 inch tires, and skid plates, it should also have rock sliders. Car manufacturers need to start including a simple way to deactivate all the sensors/alarms when off-road.
@@is6566 It doesn't matter what the owner does with the 4x4 because it's designed to be an off-road vehicle. I've seen well designed aftermarket rock sliders that can also be used as a side step. Why go to the trouble of putting skid plates on a truck but then install side steps for a street truck that doesn't prevent a rock from damaging the door frame?
@aeryn… One of the worst offender is the Taco TRD Off-road with Predator steps installed by the distributors. The shape of those steps by protruding out looks as if they were designed to catch rocks and trees.
I would go with the regular Raptor f150 with the 3.5. Put a tune on it and save a ton of money and be neck and neck. Raptor suspension still dominates off-road. Ram is trying to hit the sweet spot between Fords Raptor models and has really done a good job. Engine reliability would be a wait and see.
Goosetuned with E50 puts 500 HP to the wheels (or about 588 at the crank). 0-60 in about 4.5. so yeah i agree with you. but you have to run ethanol. with 91 octane you are looking at 444 WHP and 522 at the crank and still a sub 5 0-60
It dominates in your dreams buckwheat. I’ve been out with plenty in the TRX and they always back off because they’re afraid to break their little babies so it becomes Dodge country to do the heavy lifting
Hey Andre .. How do you think gmc at4x aev 1500 I 6 duramax would have done today vs these two?? Obviously these are in another leage of their own.. but as far as climbing and rock crawling .. with front and rear lockers
Have been on many many outings with TRX Jeep Rubicon’s for Broncos Raptors raptor R’s and the Fords are always notorious for the worst four-wheel-drive systems always bringing up the back of the pack, there’s a reason there’s a tow hook on the front of every Ford.
There's a lot of disagreement on the subject. My opinion is, since it wasn't deep it probably wouldn't make much difference. However I would have aired down around 5 psi myself.
Great comparison video guys! I was sold on the RHO until I learned about the thermostat failures happening between 10-30k miles with other vehicles that have the Hurricane 3.0. If the thermostat gets stuck in the closed position, it will cause permanent engine damage with a warped head and block being the result. You won't see anything on the dipstick because there isn't one on this engine. You will need to look for the "milkshake" by looking at the inside of the oil fill cap. It's possible this issue has been resolved and maybe someone will chime in on this. The other issue I see with this engine is the plastic thermostat housing. Yep, plastic. That was a bad engineering decision to make the housing out of plastic. Both the thermostat and its housing is a PITA to replace if/when it comes time. I'm unsure if these parts fall under the powertrain warranty so an extended warranty may add some peace of mind. It's ironic that an engine called Hurricane has water problems. For me, I'm staying away from the Hurricane!
The hurricane is a brand new platform and many brands have had issues with new tech. Saying you will "stay away from the Hurricane" makes you come off as biased, as Toyota's were blowing up engines for the past year now and no one says they'll "stay away" from Toyota.
The Steps was a perfect example of why the front Torsen should not have been removed on the R specifically! Any why they haven’t thrown in front lockers on the F-150 Raptors is a mystery to me. They should just do as they do with the Ranger and Bronco Raptors and just give it to the people. The front Torsen with rear locking diff should be reserved for the Tremor line of vehicles and front and rear lockers for Raptors.
Sure guys, compare testing a truck that cost $30K less to the Rap R should have been more like the RHO against the Rap Eco to make it fair. That video would be more realistic. I've only seen Rap R owners be pavement princess's with all kinds of accessories to show off that the owners got all kinds of money to spend on their toys.
Dude, if you go Whelan with any of your Ford buddies in a ram, that’s 10 years older than them they will find excuses not to do it because they will get shown up by a vehicle that cost 20% of what they paid and a decade older Ford never competesI’ve seen it so many times to the point I can’t find Anybody Who Dr., Fords that wanna go wheeling with anything made by Jeep or ram. They usually go out with the Chevy guys and they’re very closely matched inept.
😂😂 and that’s if you just compare the traction alone on the much bigger tires and it’s much less capable because it doesn’t care about their clients. They wanted to save the money so they took out the torsion system and guess what you get paid back by being a loyalist by getting screwed
tbh will choose the raptor r even if it is more expensive bcse if you r ready to spend 85k on a pickup might as well go for the supercharged v8 , also feel like the raptor r s might hold their values a bit better in the future compared to a downsize....
The question is.... How many more $ for a moon/sun roof and bedliner for the RHO? If included, what is the price difference? Next, can 37" tires be placed on the RHO? I love your videos. It is so easy sitting in my chair and watching you off road and not being nervous.
@ afraid of depreciation or just in to flip it and make some $$. You would be surprised how many people buy vehicles in this price range and just park them. I don’t know how you could, it’s IMO the best daily driver sub $300k. And I’m really not sure I would have any more fun in a Urus.
Still wish Ford continued to make the short cab version with the rear suicide doors. My 2020 Raptor is the last year they made them. 12” shorter wheelbase and it has a Torsen front diff.
@ Some traction control on the rear end is better than nothing. The TRX is a good example of this, my neighbor has a daily driven Hennessey TRX and he has to rotate the the tires every 1000 miles or so because of the open rear differential that causes uneven wear across the rear tires. I’d like to see TFL perform a slip test comparing these vehicles.
Oh don’t be upset my little Ford friend that the RHL outperformed a truck that cost $30,000 more actually is much overpriced and under performing it. It’s a typical Ford, and the RHO is a steel at the price.
They're cool and all, but I think the days of people willing to go into 100k of dept for a freaking pickup are more or less over. As is apparent from the mountains of unsold 80k+ trucks sitting on the lots.
IMO both are overpriced by $30-$40k. And any truck marketed as "off road" needs front and rear lockers or it shouldn't have that badging. And Andrey's problem is he lets off power or hits the brakes every foot or two. As Roman said, "Sometimes you just have to stay in it'. Stellantis is rumored to have a big price drop in the next few weeks, I'd wait until that happens.
Hi guys at tfl! I don't what upgrade you have down to your video equipment. It's very noticeable I wish all the other bloggers would do the same. Happy holidays
Love the video thanks guys.
Glad you enjoyed it
Manufacturers have gone nuts. I bought a 2014 Raptor limited edition for 57k out the door. 114k isn't even realistic anymore and they have priced themselves out of most people's price range!
Bro that was 10 years ago…inflation in 2022 alone was 30%…!
@multi… No it wasn’t. 😃
Your raptor didn’t have a supercharged 700hp engine in it, 12” touch screen, live shocks, active exhaust etc. they’re arent comparable in features why would they be comparable in price 💀
@@is6566It certainly was.
@Parker… In which parallel universe? 😃
RHO is the $55k used truck I’m most looking forward to.
That’s the only way I would get either one of these is second hand market. You will still be able to get them with a good factory warranty as well.
Andre is soooo scared to drive these trucks he always so nervous lol 😂
I think we are seeing a little normal nervousness and then some acting to the camera. Love Andrea!
As much as they cost I’d be a little nervous too lol.
Yea one of the 3.0 turbo stoped running the HEMI will be back soon
Cocky Andre is my new favorite TFL character 🤣🤣
This is the Roman I like to watch. Relaxed. Supportive. Not overly goofy. A boss to respect. And I agree about which truck you chose Roman. They are a helluva lot of $ however, that Raptor R is worth every penny IMO. For that V8 rumble. And all the other things it does and has as well. lol
Wow, lots of negative comments this morning and there may be truth when they say the holidays is tough on some people with mental health issues. This was a great video. It’s amazing that just 3 years ago you could purchase a fully loaded TRX for less than the the RHO.
I have a 21 Levell II TRX ($88K) and the Value vs. the RHO is stupid...Could not agree w/you more.
The Ford really needs the Torsen front diff. It was easy to see on the razor rock's.
When the trx came out in 2021 it had a starting price of 67k before options and unreal inflation, this rho should be much cheaper than that
Starting price is 70k, fully loaded is 89k. And that’s not including dealership markups. Slightly cheaper than the Raptor.
Comparing to a truck from many years ago makes literally zero sense. Compare the RHO to a base model Raptor and suddenly, the RHO is the far better bargain. Just say you're a mindless Ram hater and move on.
Base for base, they are pretty close in price, but have you looked at current prices for just regular 1500s. You can easily get a Rebel up to $75,000, without all that power, wide body or advance active suspension. What is a last call TRX going for now? $120K? Compared to the Raptor V6, the RHO is a bargain, with much more power and about 10K cheaper spec for spec.
@@gpajeActually, spec for spec, they are about the same. Don’t believe me, go price them out. I did and the RHO comes in about as much as a Raptor 37 PP. Soooo, base Raptor is actually the bargain here.
@Pilot545 I did price them, I'm actually in the process of choosing one of them, and the Raptor is more expensive with substantially less power, how do you figure it's a bargain, even if they were the same price considering the power difference??? 37" tires aren't that expensive, also the RHO is 37 ready with 90 more hp.
Give the Power Wagon a crack at that stuff please. Both R and RHO are insane rigs.
The overall performance and off road abilities of these rigs is quite impressive. Comphy too.
For us older folks this stuff would have been a pipe dream in the 60s 70s and 80s.
Has not been updated this century, so they do not have any reason to. 2025 looks the same for the most part sadly.
That would be cool to see, but the Power Wagon wouldn’t be a fair comparison. It’s got a front locker, and neither of these trucks have that..
Sounded like a little excuse making for the R on that first obstacle. It definitely struggled more mainly because you could see it feeding more power to the tires without traction and less to the ones that needed it whereas the RHO seemed better at distributing power where it needed to be. Better clearance on the R was evident. Very good comparison and both trucks were very close and did well overall.
There were numerous tests by TFL and Driving Sports TV where it shows Ford wheel braking AWD is struggling in comparisons to point it's not getting out actually on different vehicles same way, it's ok they can improve most likely, Ford should so the AWD together with 4 Auto is complete
100% Correct, and that was supposed to be fixed by applying the brakes to the wheels with less traction to trick the trucks into applying the power where needed...at least with Nissan back 10 years ago...apparently Ford didn't pick up on that...and it was very obvious.
Two things were the problem here,
1- the driver was obviously afraid of the Fords extra power plus apprehensive due to these being borrowed vehicles.
2- The driver is not that good at off roading, especially in the snow and ice.
@@2003evodave 2 ways I would refute that.
1. The trucks were driven nearly identically, and the "light" tires were spinning on the R, so the power was there.
2. These guys live in and operate all the TFL channels out of Boulder. They drive off-road and in the snow for a living. There are few out there with the experience of these guys.
No need to make excuses for the R. It certainly is better in other ways just not that.
I so love the relationship! I so love your channels! You guys are absolute naturals in front of the cameras.
The RHO seems like a good truck at a reasonable price but im still concerned about the long term reliability of that overworked engine. Still remember when the TRX started at 70k when it debuted, crazy economy.
Hellcat or nothing
Reasonable PRICE ?
@@melvinhunt6976Gov printed money. It's in circulation, all our money worth less. The 84k for that new truck was probably 50-60k just 5 years ago.
Reasonable price? When it's selling for more than the TRX is sold for, that's approaching unreasonable price in my book
@TheMeanmarine13 Trx was over 100k in its last year, and a Raptor starts at 75k, RHO starts at 70k.
You guys really need to perform these snow and ice comparisons with same tires on both vehicles, it’s the only way to really see the difference in the actual trucks
I 100% agree
Yes but the true purpose of these tests is to see how comparable vehicles perform “as equipped from the factory” straight out of the box testing.
That makes zero sense....Your 114K (Before Dealer ADM) Raptor or Raptor R comes with BFG (SUCK SUCK SUCK) tires...that's Ford's choice...and RAM went with Goodyear, which comes on some of the Ford Broncos ironically....so it's 100% Fair OEM vs OEM
Visually RHO looks better
Lmfao no it doesn't
Just a bloated version of a 15 year old look
I do like the look of the rho but it's definitely not better the the raptor
Lmao ,yes it does. What a stupid argument.
@@DEACONR6155 Yes it does
Good review guys. The RHO is obviously the better value any day of the week but 85K for a pick up truck is still NUTS!
You guys do such a great job with these videos! It’s real world demonstrations with great discussions!!
Raptor sure did struggle alot more on the obstacles.😮
Exactly I agree with you 100% but they always go back to making excuses for the raptor just like always being biased towards Ford..
They need to run it back with the same tires
@@Ozzyfrk18 I agree 💯 !! Then the RHO would make it look that much easier. If the Ram had 37s and KO2s which isn't my fave tire by far it would make it look way way easy. The Raptor would really look like it's struggling if they did what u suggested about the tires.. and the last thing he said when they picked which truck they would want he said the raptor because it sounds better LOL that's the only thing he could say. But in my opinion if you put an exhaust on that inline 6 twin turbo hurricane engine I love the sound of a turbo better than I do a supercharger anyway at crawling speeds with a good exhaust damn inline 6 turbo sound like a little diesel I would much prefer that over the faint whine of the supercharger or exhaust note of the raptor. And on top of that yeah the raptor has a couple hundred more horsepower but what are you going to do put a smaller pulley on it get a little bit more power out of it. Turbos or limitless they can make that ram stomp that raptor easily with some tuning some fuel and a few other things. Me personally I would 100 % take the ram just as they are right now. Use the 20,30 thousand-dollar difference in cost and make a 1,000 horsepower RHO on 37s.. hey we can all dream can't we lol.. I'm content with my Cummins right now but it would be fun to have that RHO
@@bradleymckinney83 I see it the other way around
@@DWH300 diff perspective, I like it we all have em... Which part in particular do u see the other way around if I dont mind me asking? I know it's not the part about them being biased towards Ford they are in every single video. And if it's about what I commented on and the tires u say the raptor would do better with the RHO tires and 35s? Just confused about which part u see the other way? Thanks for the reply though.. hope to hear back from ya !
There's only so much I can take of Andre driving offroad
I am sure that you would do much better...
Difference here is tires, put the 37's on the RHO you have the same clearance, and similar approach/ departure. I would also bet it would slip around, KO2s are know to struggle in wet, wet snow, gret in dry snow.
New Ko3 better in snow 👍
The RHO could afford 37" tires for the 30k price gap between these two. The RHO also has the better front diff, which clearly played a huge roll.
The wind was KICKIN' that day. Looked like a good day to be on the trails however.
Great video guys! Both trucks are awesome in their own way. I have a RHO on order & can't wait for it to arrive!😎
Glad you enjoyed it!
Laurel and Hardy on the trail😂. Nice work guys. Happy Holidays to you.
Thanks, happy holidays to you too!
Driving through already packed snow makes it easier for the Ford.
This ram is a beast!
You can definitely see the Ram 🐏 out perform the Raptor on Razor Rock. To much slipping. Front wheel on the Ram would lock up with abs way before the Raptor. These trucks are toys. I drive an AEV Prospector Power Wagon on 37's and is a tool. Great video, as always. Ram wins 🏆 again. Real world reviews. Before the power wagon Before willys Before jeep Dodge 1.5 ton 4x4 military truck since 1934.
The RHO seems to have better traction on Razor Rocks. The Raptor's front right wheel spun more till the left side had drive.
114k, and we have to ask “is this truck more or less reliable than a 1990 Ford Bronco”?
You don't have to ask, it's less reliable. They're praying hard to finish testing without major problems.
@zelenizub2036
Less reliable based on what? Do tell keyboard warrior. I've owned Bronco's and F-150's from the 70's-90's..Most were crap in reliability. 😂
No, they won't last as long. I have 2000 F 150 with 270,000 my neighbor has 2019 ram with 60k and the Hemi with cylinder delete and it is trash. He needs to replace or rebuild engine If I bought something with cylinder delete, I would buy the kit to disable it
@TheBronco67
Ya. I've had 3 of those triton junk V-8 Fords from 97-2004. Spark plug spitting junk motors that all leak at the back of the cylinder heads . Low torque , low HP junk. If this is your idea of a great engine...🤣
@@TheBronco67 and yet my '72 Dodge D150 440 still runs great with 110,000 miles, '83 Ram 318 still chuggin with 178,000, '92 Dakota 318 is a workhorse with 219,000 & my landscaping truck '96 Ram {my last new truck} with 425,000 miles on the 360! Theres a reason I never bought a Ford after watching a few buddies have problems, all my problems were just routine stuff & never any major issues
Todays truck's are priced for super stars not for the average blue collar worker, and to put a finger point to that. We can't really work on them any more.The one thing most could take pride in doing now is gone. Not to mention the price to fix them. That's the real kicker $$$$ So as you watch all theses super stars show how good it is, just remember what we are loosing. And that's a lot!!!
I kinda knew the Ram would do better off road, every one that I have had the past 50 yrs has done better than Fords ✌💖☮
Dude! And every guy, including myself who’s ever been out in a four-wheel with buddies who own Fords knows this and what happens halfway through the trip as you start seeing them finding excuses to go home or something else they gotta do they don’t wanna be embarrassed any longer and they bow out seen it half a dozen times And the guys who didn’t bow out always say “well I gotta go home and figure out what’s wrong with my truck cause this thing usually rips on the trail and I leave everyone behind but today it didn’t do very well“ lol and I always laugh. Well this is par for the coursefor me in my ram leading. There’s a reason there’s a tow hook on every Ford.
@@AmericanSurvival001 well said man, well said! Theres a reason they are called gurly ford fan bois ESPECIALLY those slowstang drivers
These are great $65,000.00 trucks! On a side note. hardware stores sell "High-visibility Water-based Marking Paint" in assorted colors. The paint is great for marking the ground if you want to repeat your path.
Yeah, you can imagine the first service would love seeing orange paint sprayed on the ground by a TH-cam channel. It will be there for years.
@@AmericanSurvival001 Have you ever been around construction sites and saw the orange ground or the grass coming up orange? Sorry, it doesn't happen because the paint dissolves in a week or two. It's temporary marking paint. Firms that mark underground cables or pipes use it.
I'd say the RHO kicked the Raptor's butt in this one. Climbed better, handled the obsacles better (and with 37" tires to equalize against the Raptor, wouldn't have scraped at all) and is $30K cheaper. And yes, it looks better!
And broke down shortly after. 😅😅😅
And broke down shortly after.😅😅😅
Yeah, you could upgrade to 37" tires for far less than $30k. The RHO also has a better front diff than the Raptor R. IMO it certainly looks better. The interior alone is in it's own league, as usual. Ford guys will continue to shill though.
Amen 🙏
Put that dam crack pipe down. You can't even compare a Fiat to a Ford
The biggest problem with the Raptor R is the artificial scarcity. Make more of them and the price issue solves itself.
Loved the video today guys! Good job braving the weather.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent video i think RHO was better!
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I would pick RHO I love the comparison videos.
I was more impressed with the RHO
I think I go with the ram myself
Make sure to get an extended warranty, they are already having issues with these stellantis engines.
Oh that ram quality 😂
Say what you want about Ram, and I’m no fanboy, but pretty sure Ford are always cost to or at #1 for recalls..
That would change after several trips to the dealership.
@@jc6618 Exactly, Ford has tons of recalls and problems. The Hurricane is a brand new platform and will have some teething pains. Certainly nothing to worry about in the long run. Also, the Hurricane isn't a "Stellantis engine", considering it is built in the US by Chrysler engineers, and shares less that 3% of its architecture with other engines.
RHO is a sweet truck 🫡👌🏻
Ford struggling as usual. Imagine swapping some 37’s onto that RHO! 😮
Unstoppable.
Both nice trucks , my question, which tires were better , KO 2 or Ko3?
If it weren’t for ppl commenting about “PrICeS”. It is what it is. And I love how yall do truck stuff I want to learn and talk truck things not bicker over price just do truck things. My motto is just send it
When snow wheeling you guys should wear a winter beanie and leather gloves to stay warm in the winter. Just saying this as a suggestion for staying warm during the winter weather.Thank you for the video.
Great video and driving. These are the videos that are truly helpful to someone like me who's looking to buy... it's nice to see real world comparisons vs paper comparisons.
What an EXTREME offroad test...😂 Scared to death of a literally rocky road...
You guys are crazy if you think $114k is what people are actually paying. Minimum $10k markup, likely $20k. When you compare the RHO actual vs Raptor R actual $45k - $50k difference.
The reason I say I'm happy with the engine in my 3rd gen Tacoma because it's 2000 lb lighter (4,500lbs) than these trucks. Anything I've thrown at that Tacoma TRD off-road 4X4 it has done VERY well had a lot of fun in Phoenix lake pleasant area & around crown King there's all kinds of trails. I don't go on anything hardcore but still doing what it does is amazing 🤩 you don't need to spend $80,000 to have a great time my truck was $41,000 with 120,000 mi warranty, manual transmission & probably more reliable haha... I just put on sumo spring bump stops to help with the washboard roads & when I'm towing, I also got it OTT tuned
You guys never disappoint. Hello from Puerto Rico.
Andre seems to have severe anxiety. I thought my anxiety was bad. Holy hell. I feel bad for ya 😂😂😂
Wouldn't a Raptor 37 be a better opponent, I only thought they got the Raptor R because they still had some time with it after the drag race, but they seems to really focus on the price, which really is just for the engine and cool stickers.
The RHO is cheaper than the base Raptor though and makes 100hp more. So it really doesn't matter which truck they pair it against. The RHO has a nicer interior as well.
Good point.
The RHO didn’t struggle as bad as the raptor and it’s a supercharger V8 sad. Oh with 37 also
With money in hand, to buy either truck, which do you recommend, the RHO or the Raptor R? 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
For those looking to off-road their RHO, do not buy those steps. Clearly lost several inches of clearance over the rocks. Other than that, sweet truck!
Raptor has the steps as well. The steps on the RHO sit higher than the skid plates underneath and they help with gravel/rock chips in the paint. If the RHO had the 37s that the Ford does, it wouldn't have scraped the rock at all.
"Pull the bandage off" is funny. I don't understand why car manufacturers build a so-called extreme 4x4 with side steps. If the car manufacturer is installing 1 or 2 lockers, 35-37 inch tires, and skid plates, it should also have rock sliders. Car manufacturers need to start including a simple way to deactivate all the sensors/alarms when off-road.
Because 99.99999999999% of ‘extreme 4x4’s never, ever, go anywhere but pavement. Surely you cannot be THAT stupid.
I'd run my Colorado Trail Boss up that with no problems. It has lockers front and rear and rock sliders.
@mike…. Agree with pavement comment but are you having a bad day?
@@is6566 It doesn't matter what the owner does with the 4x4 because it's designed to be an off-road vehicle. I've seen well designed aftermarket rock sliders that can also be used as a side step. Why go to the trouble of putting skid plates on a truck but then install side steps for a street truck that doesn't prevent a rock from damaging the door frame?
@aeryn… One of the worst offender is the Taco TRD Off-road with Predator steps installed by the distributors. The shape of those steps by protruding out looks as if they were designed to catch rocks and trees.
Andre is great, but we need somebody who isn't crapping their pants the whole time, lol. TFL needs a Stig for off road driving 😊
Andre can’t be replaced
I would go with the regular Raptor f150 with the 3.5. Put a tune on it and save a ton of money and be neck and neck. Raptor suspension still dominates off-road. Ram is trying to hit the sweet spot between Fords Raptor models and has really done a good job. Engine reliability would be a wait and see.
Goosetuned with E50 puts 500 HP to the wheels (or about 588 at the crank). 0-60 in about 4.5. so yeah i agree with you. but you have to run ethanol. with 91 octane you are looking at 444 WHP and 522 at the crank and still a sub 5 0-60
@ecu4awhile yes I didn't want to run Ethanol, but I do run 93 in it. It does make a slight difference.
It dominates in your dreams buckwheat. I’ve been out with plenty in the TRX and they always back off because they’re afraid to break their little babies so it becomes Dodge country to do the heavy lifting
Off-roading isn't my thing, but this was interesting. Andre was so intense about his driving, and Roman was his instigator.
Does Andre pick eating establishments the same way?😅😅😅JK enjoy it all!
Hey Andre .. How do you think gmc at4x aev 1500 I 6 duramax would have done today vs these two?? Obviously these are in another leage of their own.. but as far as climbing and rock crawling .. with front and rear lockers
Have been on many many outings with TRX Jeep Rubicon’s for Broncos Raptors raptor R’s and the Fords are always notorious for the worst four-wheel-drive systems always bringing up the back of the pack, there’s a reason there’s a tow hook on the front of every Ford.
I don’t believe Andre. There is no universe where somebody purposely chooses the RHO over the Raptor R where price is not a factor.
Another Awesome video... Merry Christmas
Same to you
Andre's facial expression at 2:04. LOL!!!
Andrea is a little TOO scary sometimes. Enjoy the truck for all it is worth. I love these types of videos, great job.
Not sure why you guys did not lower the tire pressure
There's a lot of disagreement on the subject. My opinion is, since it wasn't deep it probably wouldn't make much difference. However I would have aired down around 5 psi myself.
Great comparison video guys!
I was sold on the RHO until I learned about the thermostat failures happening between 10-30k miles with other vehicles that have the Hurricane 3.0. If the thermostat gets stuck in the closed position, it will cause permanent engine damage with a warped head and block being the result. You won't see anything on the dipstick because there isn't one on this engine. You will need to look for the "milkshake" by looking at the inside of the oil fill cap. It's possible this issue has been resolved and maybe someone will chime in on this.
The other issue I see with this engine is the plastic thermostat housing. Yep, plastic. That was a bad engineering decision to make the housing out of plastic. Both the thermostat and its housing is a PITA to replace if/when it comes time. I'm unsure if these parts fall under the powertrain warranty so an extended warranty may add some peace of mind.
It's ironic that an engine called Hurricane has water problems. For me, I'm staying away from the Hurricane!
That's ok, others will buy it
The hurricane is a brand new platform and many brands have had issues with new tech. Saying you will "stay away from the Hurricane" makes you come off as biased, as Toyota's were blowing up engines for the past year now and no one says they'll "stay away" from Toyota.
It's covered under warranty so who cares new engine at 30,000 😂
@@PyroBlonde7777 I actually prefer the RHO vs the Raptor. Who knows, maybe we'll see a TRX comeback!
@@dor1tomcswagger69 How long do you think you will be parted from your truck for that engine swap?
Nice Ram. It’s very difficult watching Andre off road.
T looks like it is cold & windy & kudos for you guys braving the elements;S to bring this video to everyone. THANK YOU
The Steps was a perfect example of why the front Torsen should not have been removed on the R specifically!
Any why they haven’t thrown in front lockers on the F-150 Raptors is a mystery to me. They should just do as they do with the Ranger and Bronco Raptors and just give it to the people.
The front Torsen with rear locking diff should be reserved for the Tremor line of vehicles and front and rear lockers for Raptors.
Sure guys, compare testing a truck that cost $30K less to the Rap R should have been more like the RHO against the Rap Eco to make it fair. That video would be more realistic. I've only seen Rap R owners be pavement princess's with all kinds of accessories to show off that the owners got all kinds of money to spend on their toys.
Your insecurities are showing. It’s all first world problems, no need to be down on bros that have more than you.
Never seen one person, that being said you just sound like a hater.
The RHO and Rap R are more closely equipped, the Rap Eco comes with 33’s out of the box so that would really set it back in this testing.
Ah no the raptor v6 comes with 35s! In fact every generation of raptors had 35s@@crappy60
@@bengarcia1091 really? I thought 33’s. Well I learned something new. I do know 37’s are an option for the Raptors nowadays.
Raptor smashed it.
Ground clearance rules off road... 👍
Tapping out on this one.
Dude, if you go Whelan with any of your Ford buddies in a ram, that’s 10 years older than them they will find excuses not to do it because they will get shown up by a vehicle that cost 20% of what they paid and a decade older Ford never competesI’ve seen it so many times to the point I can’t find Anybody Who Dr., Fords that wanna go wheeling with anything made by Jeep or ram. They usually go out with the Chevy guys and they’re very closely matched inept.
haha andre you are so dramatic. wheels on the raptor look sweet. great looking truck
The Ram is a nice truck. No way the Ford is worth 30k more
😂😂 and that’s if you just compare the traction alone on the much bigger tires and it’s much less capable because it doesn’t care about their clients. They wanted to save the money so they took out the torsion system and guess what you get paid back by being a loyalist by getting screwed
Seems as though the Goodyear wrangler MT tires on the RHO were better in the snow than the BF Goodrich KO2, or that what it look like in this video
It's always a "game of inches!!" Ha!! Love you Guys... Happy Holidays TFL!!
tbh will choose the raptor r even if it is more expensive bcse if you r ready to spend 85k on a pickup might as well go for the supercharged v8 , also feel like the raptor r s might hold their values a bit better in the future compared to a downsize....
The question is.... How many more $ for a moon/sun roof and bedliner for the RHO? If included, what is the price difference? Next, can 37" tires be placed on the RHO? I love your videos. It is so easy sitting in my chair and watching you off road and not being nervous.
Got to go real high up in elevation to see any snow for those guys. It's 60 in Boulder for the next week.
Same down here in Albuquerque. It's becoming disconcerting
Scaled my 24’ Raptor R, with retrax bed cover at 5,980. (CAT scale, 1/4 tank of fuel).
Why do you think people never drive them? Or trade them in so early?
@ afraid of depreciation or just in to flip it and make some $$.
You would be surprised how many people buy vehicles in this price range and just park them.
I don’t know how you could, it’s IMO the best daily driver sub $300k. And I’m really not sure I would have any more fun in a Urus.
I need all that horsepower😂😂😂
Still wish Ford continued to make the short cab version with the rear suicide doors. My 2020 Raptor is the last year they made them. 12” shorter wheelbase and it has a Torsen front diff.
Nice video keep up the great work TFL
Glad you enjoyed it!
the real question is do they have cruise control.
Idk why, but the Raptor styling looks like a hot wheels car!
I would be terrified scratching up these awesome trucks. Don't have that problem with my 30yr old mighty max :p
7:29 Once you start going keep consistent acceleration and do not stop then that’s when you start spinning more at lose momentum
Andre have laughing. He is so scared of everything 😂. Very knowledgeable though.
You take some really strange lines. An offroad driving course or two might be in order.
When the Raptor R is in 4WD Auto or AWD mode, does the rear brakes mimic an LSD in low traction situations?
It tries, but Ford's Traction Control is rather dimwitted.
@ Some traction control on the rear end is better than nothing. The TRX is a good example of this, my neighbor has a daily driven Hennessey TRX and he has to rotate the the tires every 1000 miles or so because of the open rear differential that causes uneven wear across the rear tires. I’d like to see TFL perform a slip test comparing these vehicles.
RHO is the better truck. Better value, and way better features and styling
The RHO is not meant to compete with the raptor R. Its competing with the normal Raptor. The trx was the raptor R competitor
Oh don’t be upset my little Ford friend that the RHL outperformed a truck that cost $30,000 more actually is much overpriced and under performing it. It’s a typical Ford, and the RHO is a steel at the price.
Roman with that covert annoyance with Andre. Y’all might need a little vacay! 😂
They're cool and all, but I think the days of people willing to go into 100k of dept for a freaking pickup are more or less over. As is apparent from the mountains of unsold 80k+ trucks sitting on the lots.
100k cars sell better than 100k trucks?
@@silvergeoff568 people don't want either option, at the moment. It's just too much money for what it is.
nice video tfl👍👍👍
Thank you! Cheers!
you guys have to keep the comparison between the EcoBoost raptor and the Rho!
IMO both are overpriced by $30-$40k. And any truck marketed as "off road" needs front and rear lockers or it shouldn't have that badging. And Andrey's problem is he lets off power or hits the brakes every foot or two. As Roman said, "Sometimes you just have to stay in it'. Stellantis is rumored to have a big price drop in the next few weeks, I'd wait until that happens.
Hi guys at tfl! I don't what upgrade you have down to your video equipment. It's very noticeable I wish all the other bloggers would do the same. Happy holidays
My wife walked in at 3:40 and was like what the F are you watching?
Guys which is faster between RHO vs Raptor R Baja 2023 model ?